10:08 those numbers are wrong or your explanation of 60% of margin is incorrect. $2175 if 4090 cost was $640 hence 60% of margin. 1/0.4 not equal to x1.6 Or margin is 1-1/1.6=37.5%
Nvidia 2000$ gpu Apple 1600$ phone/ 2000$ mac Sony 750$ console Microsoft 1000$ surface pro Google pixel 1000$ Hp, dell ....... Basically, everyone is raising the prices.
And then they say "the price increase is due to inflation". Inflation is literally the increase in price and therefore devaluation of the currency/income. Since they fuel on the gigantic technology market, they play a big part in the reason FOR the inflations, not the other way around.
That's what happens when we print money for decades and demand also increases across the hole world and some of these companies have near monopolies in their respective categories
To be fair there are really good deals to be had currently, they were selling 4070 prebuilds for $1k during black friday and a lot of 4000 series laptops are on good dales currently and are better to buy than waiting for next gen unless you only are concerned with having the best performance no matter the value.
Mongoloids will complain in millions of TH-cam comments and on Reddit and 4chan and wherever else, then they'll go out and buy the dang thing anyway. That's how we got to this point. Nobody cares about the words people write online, only actions matter and people can't stop themselves from consooming.
It still does. Its called buying used or previous gen technology. Or making sure your income keeps pace with value or your currency. It used to be far easier and vastly less expensive to do the process node shrinks that enabled that kind of scaling in performance at a consistent rate. While we can still get close to the performance gains, the financial cost of doing it has increased massively. So of course the price of those products will increase, and that's before factoring in any wider macroeconomic trends
@@50H3i1 High end professionals would not use any of these cards. They would have a Quadro which is purpose built for professionals with even more VRAM. Its only gamers moonlighting as professionals that would get a 90 series. Of course those cards are even more eye watering in price, but for professionals its a business expense. Possibly also pros trying to save money I suppose.
$1800 for a 5090 is understandable. It's not great but i can see why they'd charge that. But what grinds my gears is when scummy AIB's add an extra $500 to MSRP just for a different cooler that doesn't even perform much better than a Founders Edition, that's when people start hissing and booing.
Wait for them trying to sell it with some 5000 series driver locked neural texture compression/enhancement that let's it save 50% VRAM in about as many games as dlss 1 & raytracing in 2000 series' first year on market.
Haven't even watched the video yet, but Nvidia still giving the 5xxx series 80 class only 16gb of VRAM when even AMD's 7900xt had 20gb VRAM is hilarious. It will obviously sell insanely well no matter what it's price is, but I still find it stupid to give that much performance while limiting potential longevity with only 16gb VRAM.
Limiting longevity is the point. They want to prep you as a customer to come back and buy a new card in a couple years, and in their eyes, much sooner rather than later.
Tbh if the 5080 launches at the leaked prices, i see another 4080 repeat. Where it sells poorly and gets a super refresh later. However i also think that its 100% intentional. Make the 80 unattractive and “force” an upsell to the 90. I can also see nvidia doing this with the 5060/ti. Give the 60 8gb and the 60ti 16gb to upsell. And then later release a 12gb 5060 super.
@@The_Word_Is_The_Way exactly. I have a 3080 10gb and it's been showing its limits for a while already, and when it's not vram starved it's still performing well, what brings it down is maxing vram then every goes to sh*t. My card can only play 1440 and 1080p when I wanted to game ultrawide. Next time I'll get the 90 class... only ones that will stand on their own for 5years and more. a 3090 with 24gbs is better than a 4070S with 12, even though it may be a bit slower.
Why the hell are those practices allowed? There's still 3060s on the market for a good freaking reason. Who seriously buy those at this point? I hope they actually rot unsold forever, same for the 4060s.
Exactly. They're too arrogant to just drop the prices and let people with anemic cards upgrade. Although I think AMD has been doing the same thing to a lesser extent with the 6600 and 7600. The 6600 has been hovering around $190 for a year and a half. They could drop it to $150-$160 to let it sell through, then let the 7600 replace it's spot at around $200.
@@ronchum5178the arrogance lies with gamers thinking that Nvidia needs their money. they're rolling in money from AI, datacenter, and professional. gaming is a drop in the bucket
It’s disgusting but 4060s continue to fly off the shelves. It occurs to me we’ve hardly had any revisits for GPU reviews on most channels most of this gen and I think the general market has simply forgotten how awful the 4060 actually is.
Anyone else remember when DRAM dies doubled in capacity almost as fast as logic node shrinks? Well, that's gone out the window and we're pushing 5 years from the time 2GB/16Gb chips came out til 3GB/24Gb chips will be available. It's not just Nvidia being greedy, even though they certainly are.
I'm glad GPU prices haven't scaled according to performance historically. The 4090 would be over $1.4 million compared to the Voodoo 1, adjusted for inflation.
@@406Steven PSUs were free, came with the case. $thousands or $20 is infinite increase... Mechanical keyboard without ghosting keys from free to some tenths... GPUs are not the problem as they deliver (as Apple products)... Lack of software optimization or support and cost of features or upgrades as subscriptions are truly expensive... Lack of improvement on CPUs etc in last 20 years or other components is appalling...
@@InternetListener Gotta miss Antec, you could get a nice case with a quality PSU for $80. Subscriptions are a toxin on every market they're introduced into but they make a ton more money than just buying something and owning it and people fall for it because of the "I can make payments on it" mentality. Before you know it actually owning anything will be a thing of the past and you'll be forking over every last cent you make to make payments on everyday items.
@pieflies People who defend the increase in GPU prices always say the extra performance means you're still getting more for your dollar. I'm pointing out how flawed that argument is.
Lets be honest here, the bulk of gamers will spend no more then $500-600 on a graphics card... For me that is high end (RX 7800XT owner). If Nvidia prices the 5070 above $550 with 12GB of ram I hope lots of gamers will say no thanks.
The cost of making it has no effect whatsoever on price whenever it’s a high margin product with no competitor. They will find the highest price that still permits them to clear their supply.
@JakeySurani they clearly aren't selling for £2400 in the UK, on pcpartpicker the lowest is £1850 for a msi triple fan. Thye are overpriced cause Nvidia is not making them anymore.
NVIDIA seems to be getting cocky, but we all saw what happened to Intel when they got overconfident. Hopefully, Intel and AMD can start making big moves soon.
They have good reasons because they actually provide massive performance advantages every generation to their enterprise clients. They are planning to build new nuclear powerplants to run future data centers. And the new OpenAI o3 model cost $4k!! To run per task.
@@cajampa To be fair though if AI fails on return on investment, Nvidia will sure stop selling shovels. Even intel were/are dominant in server and enterprise but slowly they are losing. Hill looks quite steep but last I heard, Apple, Arm, Microsoft, Google and Tesla and bunch others are joining rivalry against Nvidia for accelerated gpu. Sooner then later the shovels wont be as shiny.
@@adityapatel1839 AMD and Sony joined forces in Project Amethyst to confront Nvidia. Tesla has tons of research in AI so does Microsoft. Google... they get easily distracted and pivot.
It is interesting, you showed the leaked pricing of some Acer prebuild PCs in your thumbnail, but didn't talk about it (or i missed it). The leaked pricing is about a 3499€ prebuild PC with a 5080, 265k, 32GB RAM and 1TB SSD. But there is another PC with the same spec, except a 5090 for 4699€. Both PCs are sold in germany, meaning 19% tax is included. If you convert the difference of 1200€, it is 1050$ between those PCs. So it is very likely that there are 1000$ or less between the 5080 and 5090. A 5080 being 40% faster is quite optimistic, seeing there is no increase in shaders. I personally doubt that it is faster as a 4090, at least without DLSS4. So 20% more performance/value is probably still 999$. That pricing above means the 5080 is 999$ or 1199$ at most and the 5090 is 1999$ or 2199$ at most.
@@gucky4717 seems nvidia think gamers don't need more performance lmao. be happy with 5070 ti = 4080 as the "high end" card and leave the rest for professionals
I just bought a 6750xt on sale for 300€ (including tax and shipping) as an upgrade to my ancient EVGA GTX960 2gig. From what I'm hearing I'm pretty confident it won't fall behind as quickly as the 960 did. Time to catch up on the last 6 or so years worth of games I couldn't play properly before. KCD2 is right around the corner too, very excited for that one.
They don't have to. There's plenty of lessor options, including not buying anything at all. Nobody is being "forced" to do anything. If a guy decides to spend $2k+ for a 5090, then he is doing it because he feels the 5090 is worth more than that amount of money.
What I have heard from hardware unbox and others is that rtx 5080 is gonna be cut down so much that it will be closer to a 5070 series in terms of performance than rtx 5090 series card. With that in perspective, prices are truly insane for something like a 16gbvram card.
Just remember. You, set the price. They can set the msrp, list it at whatever they want but if YOU don’t buy it. And it doesn’t fly off the shelfs. Then we might have a chance at getting these consumer gpu prices down. I know this won’t happen. But it’s a good dream.
If people only understood that they could lower the prices by exercising some self control and not buying. But the masses are just too stupid and impulsive for that to ever happen.
It has already happened friend, just not much. Remember the original 4080 did not sell well at 1,200 and a 4080 S was released for 200 less. I think what's stopping prices from truly falling is PC gaming has become a lot more popular. For ex, you'd never see pre-built rigs at Best Buy before. Last month I saw like 5 on display. So newcomers think these expensive AF cards are pretty normal 🤦🏻♂️
@@slothywun U cant say new PC hobbyist are stupid. They'd have to research how much value the 1080Ti or even the 1060 for ex provided. Ignorant for sure but Nvidia is taking of advantage of ppl wanting the newest tech. Those older cards are fine for anything but the latest AAA!
@zerocal76 New PC hobbyists don’t make up that large of a percentage of early Nvidia adopters. Its the diehards that cream themselves every time there’s a new launch and would rather starve for a few months than risk their friends having a newer GPU than them.
@ that and it seems with any hobby now a days, people jump in neck deep right away. Someone wants to get into wood working? They think they need to go out and buy all top of the line tools next weekend. Want to get into drones, proceeds to spend thousands on a fpv headset gear, etc. And that’s what has really messed up the pc market. All people want is the best of the best, no matter the debt.
the rtx 5080 will probably be more like 30% faster than the 4080 for 40% more money than the rtx 4080 super so $1399 and they will say it's 4090 performance for $200 bucks less lmao
4090's hold their value extremely well, so an upgrade would make some sense for that crowd. And I think many of the 10-20 series users will be looking at the 5090 or 5080 as another 6-8 year GPU.
Even if they don't sell much of their stock, there's a huge AI bubble going around so the consumer market going poorly is not an immediate concern for them, sadly. Now, if (when) it crashes...
16:00 the bandwidth won't be that much higher on this "5080 laptop" than the 4080 laptop because it has a 128 bit bus. Even with using really faster 32gbps GDDR7 (most at launch will likely be 28gbps) it's only 18% faster than the 4080 Mobile. The CUDA core size indicates it should be 60 SMs which is more than the 4080, though. So it's weird they would cut the bus width hat much. But overall with 20% per CUDA core gains, and 18% bandwidth, it could still be 20% faster than the 4080 Mobile.
The 3 GB GDDR7 chips aren’t available yet. Once those get here next year, you’ll see a 5080 super with 24 GB of memory on the same 256 bit bus. Until then the 5080 will be 16 gigs.
This seems to be expected from Nvidia, They see that there is no Competition on the high end so they Raise the price just as much as they raise the performance.
At some point 60% profit margins are going to bite Nvidia. We're entering an economy reality where Wall Street might be making money hand over fist, but Main Street has less buying power than it's had in 40 years.
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4nm from TSMC is a lot Cheaper then it was 2 years ago for the 4k series, AND GDDR7 is cheaper then GDDR6X, SP there is no need to raise the price on any 5000 series, except pure Greed.
The MSRP doesn't matter when the 4090 is out of stock at MSRP almost anywhere. The real price for a 4090 right now is well over $2000. The 5090 is most likely $2500 or more if you actually want one at launch.
Why are you unhappy it has 32gb? The more the better for lots of use cases. If you don’t need that much you get a lower model that has less for cheaper.
The 4060ti is already 20-40% better performance over 4060 for 100 bucks more... Be really disappointing if the 5060 is just a 4060ti perf with a bit of extra ram for same price as 4060ti.
I like your analysis. One thing... If Nvidia tries to sell a RTX 5080 as a "similar to 4090 but at $1200" they are gonna have a hard time convincing people to not just wait for a used 4090 to pop up. When Nvidia did that with the 4070 Ti (which they wanted to name a 4080 12G) it was at a much lower price.
Shipping costs don't make such a big deal for total costs for small items. It's not going to add $50 to the cost of each product. I know that a 5090 comes in a big box, so the issue is how many 5090s fit into a shipping container along with the pallets that carry them. We can assume that companies have gotten REALLY good at shipping the max they can in a single container. So, if the cost is $1000 more/container it's maybe $10 and even that number sounds large, maybe more like 2 - 3 USD max per GPU. But I haven't done the math to try to calculate any of this. With shipping into the US, probably the worst part of the handling of the products inside container is what happens AFTER it leaves the container and loaded onto trucks in the US and then anything past that point because the shipping inside the US is not good. So, what different companies have gone to is repackaging in the US. I don't think any computer parts are repackaged in the US but I know there are Chinese companies that repackage in the US. Yes, it will add a LITTLE cost. However the bigger cost will be tariffs added back onto electronics coming out of China, like they were in 2021 - early 2023. This will hit certain AIBs that haven't gotten their manufacturing, or assembly out of China.
Tom, could it be a 5080 & 5080Ti Laptop Edition with a 24BG 5090 LE? This would account for the two 5080LE with different specs, or they could've had two options for the 5080 LE until they decided on final specs.
I would like updates on the form factor if you get any information on that. I have a 4080 strix and you definitely need a 4 gap slot on the motherboard if you plan to mount it horizontally. I have heard rumours that the 5000 series will be smaller (which would be lovely), but no concrete updates on that yet...
"Yea, 5070 is $599, which is $100 more than the 8800XT and has 4 less gb, BUT it only loses by 5% in raster, is more efficient, and wins in Raytracing" I can see it now.... the Green tax.
Summary The video discusses leaks, rumors, and analysis about upcoming Nvidia RTX 5000 series GPUs, Nintendo Switch 2, and more: Nvidia RTX 5000 Series: • RTX 5060: • Expected to have 8GB for laptops and 12GB for desktops. • Desktop version might launch later in 2024 due to surplus RTX 4060 and 3060 units. • Estimated pricing: $349-$399. • 20-40% performance improvement over the 4060 with GDDR7 memory. • RTX 5080 & 5090: • RTX 5090: • Likely to cost ~$2000 due to increased production costs (GDDR7, larger die, etc.). • Could be 50% faster than the 4090 with Nvidia arguing for “20% better value.” • RTX 5080: • Expected to match or surpass 4080/4080 Super performance at higher pricing. • RTX 5070/5070 Ti: • Likely priced at $599-$799 with performance near or above the 4070 Ti and 4080, depending on DLSS4 advancements. Nintendo Switch 2 Rumors: • Docked mode may support 4K output due to better cooling and an upgraded power supply. • These features were previously leaked by the channel. Other Details: • Laptop variants (e.g., RTX 5080) may feature up to 16GB GDDR7 memory and offer significant performance boosts over their 4080 counterparts. • Pricing across the mid-range depends on AMD’s upcoming Radeon releases. Overall Trends: • Nvidia aims to justify higher pricing with better performance metrics. • Potential market competition with AMD may affect mid-tier pricing strategies. The video also emphasizes the importance of supporting independent tech analysis through platforms like Patreon.
My critical thinking skills tell me that if the 5080 is launching with only 16GB of VRAM, the tier below that will launch with 12GB. That implies that a tier even lower, the 5060, will launch with less than 12GB of VRAM. And since it's Nvidia, and we all *KNOW* they love increasing prices while offering less gen over gen, the 5060 will only have 8GB of VRAM. In previous gens, the xx70 series cards would offer comparable performance to the prior gen's xx80ti or even xx90 models (if you include "Super" variants). If the 5070 only offers 4070 Ti performance, that tells me they're once again shuffling their GPUs down a tier but keeping the same name. And if that 5070 only offers 4070 Ti performance + a price increase? That's a flat out *SCAM.*
i would expect nvidia to prices to be 5090 at $2500 5080 at $1700 5070 at $1000 5060 at $500 that will give them a lot of room for supers/TI to fill in later.
Just use frame generation guys....Ignore the fact that stretching 20 fps to 80 fps leaves massive lag issues. Well then just lower your settings. Wtf are we buying super expensive GPUs with these as our options???
they're probably going to increase vram slightly when RTX 50 Super series comes out in 2026 knowing nvidia being nvidia they'll try to make max money from the initial hype of the card and then make even more money from the vram increased super series from those who didnt buy and complained.
3:30 It is highly possible if we assume Nvidia wants to stay arrogant and not take B580 seriously. But, if we are looking from the management/executive side, it is a BIG mistake to not react ASAP. Even if Nvidia can't launch the new 5060 next month, they should have adjusted the 4060 price to slow down Intel's B580. It is not logical to let the B580 share market grow more now.
Pretty funny you think nvidia is going to respond whatsoever. They sold atleast 20k 3060s on Amazon alone in the last month, I would be surprised if Intel makes more than 20k arc b580s ever considering they are still out of stock everywhere.
The 4060 is wildly outselling the B580. As shown in this video, the B580 is #52 on Newegg. So far that's not the message Nvidia is getting from gamers...just being honest, which is all I can ever do...
I doubt the RTX 5080 is going to be 40% faster than the RTX 4080 Super. It only has a slight bump in specs and GDDR7. At most a 15% uplift in performance. They'll probably put it at $899 or $799 and the entire community will praise them for bringing prices down.
There's no way the 5080 doesn't at least match a 4090 which is around 30-40% faster than the 4080. Small boost in specs, much faster memory giving near 4090 memory bandwidth on a smaller bus and a boost in clock speeds will get it there. There could be next gen RT and Tensor cores as well pushing some new tech or improvement in that area. Possibly more cache as well.
Remember to add $300 to $500 and maybe more to all those prices because the Nvidia cards will always be out of stock, and most people will have to buy partner cards.
Does anybody know what likely memory card the new switch will use? I’d like to pick one up on sale. Is it a micro sd card again or one of the small nvme ssd’s?
Look at the used market. I built a gaming PC for a friend and picked up a1 year used 6650XT for $150. Card works great for 1080p games at medium to high settings depending on the game.
There is just one reason why Nvidia prices are so high -- people pay those prices. Competition from AMD won't lower Nvidia prices. We know this from comparing RDNA3 price/performance to Ada Lovelace price/performance. The only way to get Nvidia to lower prices is to stop paying the asking price. We've seen evidence of this as well in the 4080 vs. 4080 Super prices. The 4080 sold poorly, so we got the Super for $200 less.
Here is my overall guess for Vram and pricing: 5090 will have 28/32GB on a 448/512 bit bus at $1799 - 1999 and have 50% more performance than 4090 5080 will have 16GB on a 256 bit bus at $1199 - $1399 (overpriced like the 16gb 4080 at £1199 by making the same mistake and then releasing a 5080 Super for less) and have 4090 performance 5070 Ti will have 16GB on a 256 bit bus at $799 - $999 and have 4080 performance 5070 will have 12/16GB on a 192/256 bit bus to compete more with 8800 XT for example at $599 - $699 as a good bassline for price and have 4070 Ti Super Performance 5060 Ti will have 12GB on a 192 bit bus and compete with 8700 XT and last gen RTX 4070 for $399 - $499 5060 will have 8/12GB on a 128/192 bit bus and compete with 8600 XT and last gen 4060 Ti 16GB for $299 - $349 5050 might be coming out too but if it does expect 4060 performance with 8GB on a 128 bit bus on GDDR6/7 for $249 - $299 Anyone else agree ? I am curious to see what ya'll think about my predications. I will come back here when these cards release and see whether I am right or wrong.
I feel you. I purchased a 4080 Super before the prices started going up right after Black Friday. It's still unopened (I won't have time to build my new computer till after the holidays) with the ability to return it until Jan 31st. I'll see how goofy the pricing is for the 5080 and then decide.
Sad to think that the 5060 might end up being $350 considering it's only going to give AMD and Nvidia more room to neglect the low end market. The 8600XT having a 192 bit bus makes me think that they will put a higher premium on it, but hopefully intel's strategy makes AMD price it closer to $250.
@@4evahodlingdoge226 That would be an decent value right now, but for a new generation it's just not compelling. Especially if it's $350 instead of $330.
Of course switch 2 has a 4k output. Even the weakest integrated graphics can do a 4k output at this point. Doesn't mean it's outputting a 4k image, which I doubt we will seeuch even with DLSS
@nipa5961 haha right. I'm sure it will generally be 540-720p handheld like most switch games, maybe pushing a bit higher docked by comparison than OG switch because of the higher boost behavior. But yeah. Not surprised AT ALL that it has a 4k output. Will be utterly shocked if a single game ships with native 4k rendering.
Why? I can come up with a bunch of examples that disprove your argument. Heck, GTX 550 Ti had 1GB while GTX 480 had 1.5GB lol. The 1080 was 8GB, the 1060 was 6GB. Literally same as 12 vs 16!
He's already covered this over a month ago where he mentioned that there will be a 3 g b variant in the future, but that will have 24 gb of vram. The 5070 which has 12 gb can have 18gb vram with 3 gb modules
hehe, another year that I"ll be skipping an upgrade. Got an RTX 4080 because in Canada, believe it or not, it was priced okayish when I was building my PC. Going to wait another generation and get a 480hz 1440p monitor and a new GPU, hopefully AMD can feed that monitor by then
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10:08 those numbers are wrong or your explanation of 60% of margin is incorrect.
$2175 if 4090 cost was $640 hence 60% of margin.
1/0.4 not equal to x1.6
Or margin is 1-1/1.6=37.5%
$2k or less is tempting but anything above makes me want to wait for the 6000 series when AMD might compete again.
Nvidia 2000$ gpu
Apple 1600$ phone/ 2000$ mac
Sony 750$ console
Microsoft 1000$ surface pro
Google pixel 1000$
Hp, dell .......
Basically, everyone is raising the prices.
Yup. I say this All the time. I do not buy new tech anymore. So expensive it has to be open-box or used!
And then they say "the price increase is due to inflation". Inflation is literally the increase in price and therefore devaluation of the currency/income. Since they fuel on the gigantic technology market, they play a big part in the reason FOR the inflations, not the other way around.
nobody is raising prices the value of paper currency is only declining....
That's what happens when we print money for decades and demand also increases across the hole world and some of these companies have near monopolies in their respective categories
To be fair there are really good deals to be had currently, they were selling 4070 prebuilds for $1k during black friday and a lot of 4000 series laptops are on good dales currently and are better to buy than waiting for next gen unless you only are concerned with having the best performance no matter the value.
5070 with the performance of the 4070 TI for the same price, ridiculous.
Don't worry. Someone will buy it
@@pedro.alcatra**everyone
Hanging on to my 6950xt for another 3 years
@@pedro.alcatraMany more than [some]one.
No you misunderstand, Jensen says its very generous. ha. jk
remember when tech got faster AND cheaper, and "its 20 percent faster than our old card at 15 percent higher price" wasnt a selling point?
If it is 50% faster but only 20% more expensive, it is faster and cheaper $/perf, there is the catch...
Mongoloids will complain in millions of TH-cam comments and on Reddit and 4chan and wherever else, then they'll go out and buy the dang thing anyway. That's how we got to this point. Nobody cares about the words people write online, only actions matter and people can't stop themselves from consooming.
@@gucky4717 Yeah but we used to get like, 80% faster *and* 20% cheaper.
It still does. Its called buying used or previous gen technology.
Or making sure your income keeps pace with value or your currency.
It used to be far easier and vastly less expensive to do the process node shrinks that enabled that kind of scaling in performance at a consistent rate.
While we can still get close to the performance gains, the financial cost of doing it has increased massively. So of course the price of those products will increase, and that's before factoring in any wider macroeconomic trends
We will charge $2500 and you will love it because the more you buy the more you save
Bruh they could make it 5 grand and idiots like you would still pay it.
Honestly, i bought 4090 for about 1,2k and sold few weeks ago for almost 2k, so it kinda makes sense, 4080s and below are all same value or cheaper
The more you pay the more we save
$1500 for a card that has 16gb is insane.
3090 and 7900XTX can do much better in professional work like editing videos because the Vram
Who said 1500😮? I guess we'll find out next year.
@@50H3i1 High end professionals would not use any of these cards. They would have a Quadro which is purpose built for professionals with even more VRAM. Its only gamers moonlighting as professionals that would get a 90 series. Of course those cards are even more eye watering in price, but for professionals its a business expense. Possibly also pros trying to save money I suppose.
I mean the 4080 was $1200, so $1500 is about what you expect from nVidia. They know it will sell anyway.
@@SolarianStrike we have less than 2 weeks. We'll know.
$1800 for a 5090 is understandable. It's not great but i can see why they'd charge that. But what grinds my gears is when scummy AIB's add an extra $500 to MSRP just for a different cooler that doesn't even perform much better than a Founders Edition, that's when people start hissing and booing.
With the AIB $500 extra it is going to be $3k
@@cajampaFalse. Unless it's a limited edition.
I see AIB being around $2000ish I don't think they believe they can make much more than that honestly
5090 8GB will start at $1999.
$2299, according to GamerMeld, dude. VLSI is not free.
Imagine the 5060 having less VRAM than the 3060
Makes no sense. THe 4060 already made no sense, but 5060 would be laughable
Wait for them trying to sell it with some 5000 series driver locked neural texture compression/enhancement that let's it save 50% VRAM in about as many games as dlss 1 & raytracing in 2000 series' first year on market.
Thanks for all the news this year!
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Haven't even watched the video yet, but Nvidia still giving the 5xxx series 80 class only 16gb of VRAM when even AMD's 7900xt had 20gb VRAM is hilarious.
It will obviously sell insanely well no matter what it's price is, but I still find it stupid to give that much performance while limiting potential longevity with only 16gb VRAM.
Limiting longevity is the point. They want to prep you as a customer to come back and buy a new card in a couple years, and in their eyes, much sooner rather than later.
Someone who's serious about hardware wouldn't even consider that card. 5090 or nothing. Nvidia is done with brokies. 🤷♂️
Tbh if the 5080 launches at the leaked prices, i see another 4080 repeat. Where it sells poorly and gets a super refresh later.
However i also think that its 100% intentional. Make the 80 unattractive and “force” an upsell to the 90.
I can also see nvidia doing this with the 5060/ti. Give the 60 8gb and the 60ti 16gb to upsell. And then later release a 12gb 5060 super.
Planned obsolescence is literally the corner stone of most manufacturers. If you make something that lasts for ages then you don't sell as many
@@The_Word_Is_The_Way exactly. I have a 3080 10gb and it's been showing its limits for a while already, and when it's not vram starved it's still performing well, what brings it down is maxing vram then every goes to sh*t. My card can only play 1440 and 1080p when I wanted to game ultrawide. Next time I'll get the 90 class... only ones that will stand on their own for 5years and more. a 3090 with 24gbs is better than a 4070S with 12, even though it may be a bit slower.
Why the hell are those practices allowed? There's still 3060s on the market for a good freaking reason. Who seriously buy those at this point? I hope they actually rot unsold forever, same for the 4060s.
Internet gaming cafes in Korea will buy about 400k of them
Exactly. They're too arrogant to just drop the prices and let people with anemic cards upgrade. Although I think AMD has been doing the same thing to a lesser extent with the 6600 and 7600. The 6600 has been hovering around $190 for a year and a half. They could drop it to $150-$160 to let it sell through, then let the 7600 replace it's spot at around $200.
@@ronchum5178the arrogance lies with gamers thinking that Nvidia needs their money. they're rolling in money from AI, datacenter, and professional. gaming is a drop in the bucket
It’s disgusting but 4060s continue to fly off the shelves. It occurs to me we’ve hardly had any revisits for GPU reviews on most channels most of this gen and I think the general market has simply forgotten how awful the 4060 actually is.
Unfortunately, the RTX 4060 is one the biggest volumes of RTX cards on the steam survey that has increased recently.
Consumers are dumb.
A year ago, GDDR6X cost $3.34 per GB, I doubt nvidia is paying 4 times as much buying in bulk...
That's not true.
80 class being cut HALF of 90 class is GREED manifests
Anyone else remember when DRAM dies doubled in capacity almost as fast as logic node shrinks? Well, that's gone out the window and we're pushing 5 years from the time 2GB/16Gb chips came out til 3GB/24Gb chips will be available. It's not just Nvidia being greedy, even though they certainly are.
Jensen's Generosity: The story of the 50 series
I secretly hope that some Luigi copycat pays a visit to Jensen
Maaaariooo 😅😮@@lolmao500
I'm glad GPU prices haven't scaled according to performance historically. The 4090 would be over $1.4 million compared to the Voodoo 1, adjusted for inflation.
@@406Steven PSUs were free, came with the case. $thousands or $20 is infinite increase... Mechanical keyboard without ghosting keys from free to some tenths...
GPUs are not the problem as they deliver (as Apple products)... Lack of software optimization or support and cost of features or upgrades as subscriptions are truly expensive...
Lack of improvement on CPUs etc in last 20 years or other components is appalling...
@@InternetListener Gotta miss Antec, you could get a nice case with a quality PSU for $80. Subscriptions are a toxin on every market they're introduced into but they make a ton more money than just buying something and owning it and people fall for it because of the "I can make payments on it" mentality. Before you know it actually owning anything will be a thing of the past and you'll be forking over every last cent you make to make payments on everyday items.
Pretty much nothing scales like that over time. It’s a nonsense calculation.
@pieflies People who defend the increase in GPU prices always say the extra performance means you're still getting more for your dollar. I'm pointing out how flawed that argument is.
Lets be honest here, the bulk of gamers will spend no more then $500-600 on a graphics card... For me that is high end (RX 7800XT owner).
If Nvidia prices the 5070 above $550 with 12GB of ram I hope lots of gamers will say no thanks.
Nvidia buys ram in huge bulk. They arent paying retail price for parts.
5090 will be 2k$ or less msrp.
Everyone wants to exxagerate.
The cost of making it has no effect whatsoever on price whenever it’s a high margin product with no competitor. They will find the highest price that still permits them to clear their supply.
6950xt for life
best card
69 nice
You could buy a rtx 5090... or a used Honda Civic. Damn that's good "value"😂😂
Im taking the civic
@@kapler8550a used Civic with no engine...derp
lmao
@@rkwjunior2298 maybe where you’re from :p
A Civic for $2K is not value. 🤣
Dont ask questions, just consoom nvidia products!
Im in scandinavia and to be honest I wouldn't be surprised to see the 5090 selling for close to $3k and the 5080 around 2k
Americans don't realize how good they have it. Anywhere outside the US the card will be an extra +$1,000
@@zenon3021 UK is very good prices too unlike the rest of europe
@@KamWysz in the UK 4090s new are £2400 which is €2892. Explain to me how €3k for a 2+ year old card is good
@JakeySuraniCurrent pricing isn’t accurate because stock is too low. Thank Nvidia for stopping 4090 production
@JakeySurani they clearly aren't selling for £2400 in the UK, on pcpartpicker the lowest is £1850 for a msi triple fan. Thye are overpriced cause Nvidia is not making them anymore.
NVIDIA seems to be getting cocky, but we all saw what happened to Intel when they got overconfident. Hopefully, Intel and AMD can start making big moves soon.
They have good reasons because they actually provide massive performance advantages every generation to their enterprise clients.
They are planning to build new nuclear powerplants to run future data centers.
And the new OpenAI o3 model cost $4k!! To run per task.
@@cajampa To be fair though if AI fails on return on investment, Nvidia will sure stop selling shovels. Even intel were/are dominant in server and enterprise but slowly they are losing. Hill looks quite steep but last I heard, Apple, Arm, Microsoft, Google and Tesla and bunch others are joining rivalry against Nvidia for accelerated gpu. Sooner then later the shovels wont be as shiny.
@@adityapatel1839 AMD and Sony joined forces in Project Amethyst to confront Nvidia. Tesla has tons of research in AI so does Microsoft. Google... they get easily distracted and pivot.
It is interesting, you showed the leaked pricing of some Acer prebuild PCs in your thumbnail, but didn't talk about it (or i missed it).
The leaked pricing is about a 3499€ prebuild PC with a 5080, 265k, 32GB RAM and 1TB SSD. But there is another PC with the same spec, except a 5090 for 4699€.
Both PCs are sold in germany, meaning 19% tax is included. If you convert the difference of 1200€, it is 1050$ between those PCs.
So it is very likely that there are 1000$ or less between the 5080 and 5090.
A 5080 being 40% faster is quite optimistic, seeing there is no increase in shaders. I personally doubt that it is faster as a 4090, at least without DLSS4.
So 20% more performance/value is probably still 999$.
That pricing above means the 5080 is 999$ or 1199$ at most and the 5090 is 1999$ or 2199$ at most.
i expect 16gb vram on the 5080 is nvidia's concession for keeping the price the same as the 4080
@@ParacelsusCaspari Exactly, same as the similar die size. But if the die and VRAM gets more expensive, it might be a bit more then 999$.
@@gucky4717 seems nvidia think gamers don't need more performance lmao. be happy with 5070 ti = 4080 as the "high end" card and leave the rest for professionals
Dont use 'faster with dlss' as a metric please
@@joost1183 everyone says then enables dlss anyway cuz it looks better than taa rofl (tho i get why not for benchmarks ofc)
I just bought a 6750xt on sale for 300€ (including tax and shipping) as an upgrade to my ancient EVGA GTX960 2gig. From what I'm hearing I'm pretty confident it won't fall behind as quickly as the 960 did. Time to catch up on the last 6 or so years worth of games I couldn't play properly before. KCD2 is right around the corner too, very excited for that one.
Forcing gamers toward RTX 5090 is terrible madness. Not everyone wants to spend 2400 plus for a graphic card
They don't have to. There's plenty of lessor options, including not buying anything at all. Nobody is being "forced" to do anything. If a guy decides to spend $2k+ for a 5090, then he is doing it because he feels the 5090 is worth more than that amount of money.
What I have heard from hardware unbox and others is that rtx 5080 is gonna be cut down so much that it will be closer to a 5070 series in terms of performance than rtx 5090 series card. With that in perspective, prices are truly insane for something like a 16gbvram card.
Just remember. You, set the price. They can set the msrp, list it at whatever they want but if YOU don’t buy it. And it doesn’t fly off the shelfs. Then we might have a chance at getting these consumer gpu prices down. I know this won’t happen. But it’s a good dream.
If people only understood that they could lower the prices by exercising some self control and not buying. But the masses are just too stupid and impulsive for that to ever happen.
It has already happened friend, just not much. Remember the original 4080 did not sell well at 1,200 and a 4080 S was released for 200 less. I think what's stopping prices from truly falling is PC gaming has become a lot more popular. For ex, you'd never see pre-built rigs at Best Buy before. Last month I saw like 5 on display. So newcomers think these expensive AF cards are pretty normal 🤦🏻♂️
@@slothywun U cant say new PC hobbyist are stupid. They'd have to research how much value the 1080Ti or even the 1060 for ex provided. Ignorant for sure but Nvidia is taking of advantage of ppl wanting the newest tech. Those older cards are fine for anything but the latest AAA!
@zerocal76 New PC hobbyists don’t make up that large of a percentage of early Nvidia adopters. Its the diehards that cream themselves every time there’s a new launch and would rather starve for a few months than risk their friends having a newer GPU than them.
@ that and it seems with any hobby now a days, people jump in neck deep right away. Someone wants to get into wood working? They think they need to go out and buy all top of the line tools next weekend. Want to get into drones, proceeds to spend thousands on a fpv headset gear, etc. And that’s what has really messed up the pc market. All people want is the best of the best, no matter the debt.
I have already mentally preparing for a 5090 cost of $2,500.00 USD. So bring it already!
2k more so then 2.5
Ngreedia made b580 look even better
the rtx 5080 will probably be more like 30% faster than the 4080 for 40% more money than the rtx 4080 super so $1399 and they will say it's 4090 performance for $200 bucks less lmao
Yes and the die configuration (same as the 4080) is just roughly 50% of the top die ... which historically would be a 70 class card.
Nah, 1400 is too high for a 16 gig card.
@@takerulol which the 70 class gpus typically would be like $450-$500 now their like $700 so a doubling in pricing for a 70 class card lol
My Hope is that they don't sell it all and this leads to reasonable prices. Odds are low but one can hope.
4090's hold their value extremely well, so an upgrade would make some sense for that crowd.
And I think many of the 10-20 series users will be looking at the 5090 or 5080 as another 6-8 year GPU.
Even if they don't sell much of their stock, there's a huge AI bubble going around so the consumer market going poorly is not an immediate concern for them, sadly. Now, if (when) it crashes...
@@MinosML When it crashes, Nvidia's marketing department will sell the hype of the next fad. Crypto... Umm AI... Umm New Jersey Drone Defense...
16:00 the bandwidth won't be that much higher on this "5080 laptop" than the 4080 laptop because it has a 128 bit bus. Even with using really faster 32gbps GDDR7 (most at launch will likely be 28gbps) it's only 18% faster than the 4080 Mobile. The CUDA core size indicates it should be 60 SMs which is more than the 4080, though. So it's weird they would cut the bus width hat much. But overall with 20% per CUDA core gains, and 18% bandwidth, it could still be 20% faster than the 4080 Mobile.
No dude, 256-bit vs 192-bit...
Just FYI margin and markup are not the same thing. 60% margin does not mean 1.6 which is a markup. The markup for 60% margin is 2.5.
40*1.5=60 40+60=100
Isn't it 150% increase?
@@WaterZer0 when you added 100% it's already double price so 2x is correct, the 0.5 is added to that.
Is the 5080 still only getting 16GB VRAM? Or will it be 20 or 24?
Id imagine a 5080ti down the road will be 20GB.
16GB at best.
16GB my boy. Zotac accidentally put some specs up on their site. Ngreedia execs laughing at gamers 😑
The 3 GB GDDR7 chips aren’t available yet. Once those get here next year, you’ll see a 5080 super with 24 GB of memory on the same 256 bit bus. Until then the 5080 will be 16 gigs.
@@MechAdv 24GBs on a 5080 but at what cost? $1,300 oem, 1,500 3rd party? 😵💫
What about AMD and Arc B770🥲My only hope left.
there is no hope
Your only hope is to be content with what you have and play older games.
The backlog calls
Nice analysis, hope you have a good holiday season!
Thanks, looking forward to the new year!
I hope all the people who only want AMD to be competitive so Nvidia don't go crazy enjoy Jensen's better value.
Love your content and unbiased opinion on tech 💓
5080 is DOA at those prices then.
Cope
Are you sure? The 4080 is pretty much sold out.
Nvidia is smoking something with the pricing of all cards 5080 and below.
This seems to be expected from Nvidia, They see that there is no Competition on the high end so they Raise the price just as much as they raise the performance.
Would you do differently?
...ok, now be honest. Yes, you would.
At some point 60% profit margins are going to bite Nvidia. We're entering an economy reality where Wall Street might be making money hand over fist, but Main Street has less buying power than it's had in 40 years.
This is why Nvidia sells to corporations instead.
Thanks for the update. Your analysis of whatever Nvidia might do makes sense.
Relaxing by the fire, haha. More like wishing for Aircon for the rest of the summer. Merry Xmas
Karampal sabse aakhir mein video laata hai, jab sab sab kuch bata dete hain, Karampal sabki summary apne sources aur channel ki leaks ke naam se batata hai aur saara Credit khaa jaata hai.
Whens the last time Nvidia 'argued' a 20% increase. They'll turn that into a marketing of a 2X increase!
They will price it perfectly, leave no money on the table and still sell a ton of cards. Honestly, 5090 will be sold out for a while.
Honestly, I hope to get one day 1...
4nm from TSMC is a lot Cheaper then it was 2 years ago for the 4k series, AND GDDR7 is cheaper then GDDR6X, SP there is no need to raise the price on any 5000 series, except pure Greed.
GDDR7 cheaper than GDDR6x? Tell me your source.
Shareholder value must go up.
The MSRP doesn't matter when the 4090 is out of stock at MSRP almost anywhere. The real price for a 4090 right now is well over $2000. The 5090 is most likely $2500 or more if you actually want one at launch.
I always thought $2400 for the 5900 once I heard 32gb that's why I was unhappy to hear 32gb
And (AAA) developers want even more VRAM.
Why are you unhappy it has 32gb?
The more the better for lots of use cases.
If you don’t need that much you get a lower model that has less for cheaper.
6:24 Bro has been eating Good
The 4060ti is already 20-40% better performance over 4060 for 100 bucks more... Be really disappointing if the 5060 is just a 4060ti perf with a bit of extra ram for same price as 4060ti.
I like your analysis. One thing... If Nvidia tries to sell a RTX 5080 as a "similar to 4090 but at $1200" they are gonna have a hard time convincing people to not just wait for a used 4090 to pop up.
When Nvidia did that with the 4070 Ti (which they wanted to name a 4080 12G) it was at a much lower price.
I would be supprised if the Switch 2 could get 1080P @ 60 FPS in most games. 4k would be very difficult to reach with $400-500 hardware.
Shipping costs don't make such a big deal for total costs for small items. It's not going to add $50 to the cost of each product. I know that a 5090 comes in a big box, so the issue is how many 5090s fit into a shipping container along with the pallets that carry them. We can assume that companies have gotten REALLY good at shipping the max they can in a single container. So, if the cost is $1000 more/container it's maybe $10 and even that number sounds large, maybe more like 2 - 3 USD max per GPU. But I haven't done the math to try to calculate any of this. With shipping into the US, probably the worst part of the handling of the products inside container is what happens AFTER it leaves the container and loaded onto trucks in the US and then anything past that point because the shipping inside the US is not good. So, what different companies have gone to is repackaging in the US. I don't think any computer parts are repackaged in the US but I know there are Chinese companies that repackage in the US.
Yes, it will add a LITTLE cost. However the bigger cost will be tariffs added back onto electronics coming out of China, like they were in 2021 - early 2023. This will hit certain AIBs that haven't gotten their manufacturing, or assembly out of China.
Tom, could it be a 5080 & 5080Ti Laptop Edition with a 24BG 5090 LE? This would account for the two 5080LE with different specs, or they could've had two options for the 5080 LE until they decided on final specs.
5070 ti with 12 gb.
5080 with 16 gb.
Leaked Laptop.
@yuvrajsingh099 that has zero to do with my post about the 5080 LE specs. Did you reply to my comment on accident?
@@tj_2701 I just want to tell in laptops.
GN22-X11 is a 5090 16GB
I would like updates on the form factor if you get any information on that. I have a 4080 strix and you definitely need a 4 gap slot on the motherboard if you plan to mount it horizontally. I have heard rumours that the 5000 series will be smaller (which would be lovely), but no concrete updates on that yet...
"Yea, 5070 is $599, which is $100 more than the 8800XT and has 4 less gb, BUT it only loses by 5% in raster, is more efficient, and wins in Raytracing"
I can see it now.... the Green tax.
I want my 5090, & i want it now!!!
Summary
The video discusses leaks, rumors, and analysis about upcoming Nvidia RTX 5000 series GPUs, Nintendo Switch 2, and more:
Nvidia RTX 5000 Series:
• RTX 5060:
• Expected to have 8GB for laptops and 12GB for desktops.
• Desktop version might launch later in 2024 due to surplus RTX 4060 and 3060 units.
• Estimated pricing: $349-$399.
• 20-40% performance improvement over the 4060 with GDDR7 memory.
• RTX 5080 & 5090:
• RTX 5090:
• Likely to cost ~$2000 due to increased production costs (GDDR7, larger die, etc.).
• Could be 50% faster than the 4090 with Nvidia arguing for “20% better value.”
• RTX 5080:
• Expected to match or surpass 4080/4080 Super performance at higher pricing.
• RTX 5070/5070 Ti:
• Likely priced at $599-$799 with performance near or above the 4070 Ti and 4080, depending on DLSS4 advancements.
Nintendo Switch 2 Rumors:
• Docked mode may support 4K output due to better cooling and an upgraded power supply.
• These features were previously leaked by the channel.
Other Details:
• Laptop variants (e.g., RTX 5080) may feature up to 16GB GDDR7 memory and offer significant performance boosts over their 4080 counterparts.
• Pricing across the mid-range depends on AMD’s upcoming Radeon releases.
Overall Trends:
• Nvidia aims to justify higher pricing with better performance metrics.
• Potential market competition with AMD may affect mid-tier pricing strategies.
The video also emphasizes the importance of supporting independent tech analysis through platforms like Patreon.
Memory speed isn't going to suddenly increase performance by anywhere near 20% in Nvidia's RTX card designed architecture.
The laptops are using 12 gb 5070ti not regular 5070. It is better than 8 gb vram but it should be 16 gb as it would be more pricey.
8GB GPUs are sub 200$ cards now.
Man I just want to see what they're offering for $250-$350. I think I'd buy an 8600 with 16gigs of ram if it performs like a 7700xt for $300.
Wait what is DLSS4 compared to 2 or 3? This crap is so confusing, frame generation should have had a completely separate name.
My critical thinking skills tell me that if the 5080 is launching with only 16GB of VRAM, the tier below that will launch with 12GB.
That implies that a tier even lower, the 5060, will launch with less than 12GB of VRAM. And since it's Nvidia, and we all *KNOW* they love increasing prices while offering less gen over gen, the 5060 will only have 8GB of VRAM.
In previous gens, the xx70 series cards would offer comparable performance to the prior gen's xx80ti or even xx90 models (if you include "Super" variants). If the 5070 only offers 4070 Ti performance, that tells me they're once again shuffling their GPUs down a tier but keeping the same name.
And if that 5070 only offers 4070 Ti performance + a price increase? That's a flat out *SCAM.*
It’s not a scam if they’re not being dishonest and people are choosing to buy it knowing the specs it has.
That’s just people over paying, not a scam.
Yes they're going down a tier. As soon as cuda leaks came out it was obvious
12GB isn't enough, and they know it.
We did not get any leaks of the cooler design this time, did we?
6:29 why he say OLED like that 🤨
i would expect nvidia to prices to be
5090 at $2500
5080 at $1700
5070 at $1000
5060 at $500
that will give them a lot of room for supers/TI to fill in later.
I think 3rd party AIB cards will go up to $2,500. I will be shocked if the founder's is that price.
If Nvidia waits to launch it with 12gb over a 128-bit bus then it's still just a 5050 in disguise.
Just use frame generation guys....Ignore the fact that stretching 20 fps to 80 fps leaves massive lag issues.
Well then just lower your settings.
Wtf are we buying super expensive GPUs with these as our options???
We need more competition to NVIDIA!!!
20% better value is OK for a Super but next gen should be 50% better performance for the price.
If the 8800 xt ends up being close to the 5070ti could be a massive score with 16gb if 500dls.
they're probably going to increase vram slightly when RTX 50 Super series comes out in 2026 knowing nvidia being nvidia they'll try to make max money from the initial hype of the card and then make even more money from the vram increased super series from those who didnt buy and complained.
3:30 It is highly possible if we assume Nvidia wants to stay arrogant and not take B580 seriously.
But, if we are looking from the management/executive side, it is a BIG mistake to not react ASAP. Even if Nvidia can't launch the new 5060 next month, they should have adjusted the 4060 price to slow down Intel's B580. It is not logical to let the B580 share market grow more now.
Pretty funny you think nvidia is going to respond whatsoever. They sold atleast 20k 3060s on Amazon alone in the last month, I would be surprised if Intel makes more than 20k arc b580s ever considering they are still out of stock everywhere.
Nobody wants that card.
@@wumbology72 exactly, they can't afford to make more than that.
The 4060 is wildly outselling the B580. As shown in this video, the B580 is #52 on Newegg. So far that's not the message Nvidia is getting from gamers...just being honest, which is all I can ever do...
The Arc B580 is more exciting than all those $1000+ cards.
Gonna be hanging onto this RTX 4080 indefinitely. It's just gonna have to do for quite a while longer.
I doubt the RTX 5080 is going to be 40% faster than the RTX 4080 Super. It only has a slight bump in specs and GDDR7. At most a 15% uplift in performance. They'll probably put it at $899 or $799 and the entire community will praise them for bringing prices down.
There's no way the 5080 doesn't at least match a 4090 which is around 30-40% faster than the 4080. Small boost in specs, much faster memory giving near 4090 memory bandwidth on a smaller bus and a boost in clock speeds will get it there. There could be next gen RT and Tensor cores as well pushing some new tech or improvement in that area. Possibly more cache as well.
5070 $899 makes sense. 5080 $1199. 5090 $2099.
Remember to add $300 to $500 and maybe more to all those prices because the Nvidia cards will always be out of stock, and most people will have to buy partner cards.
$200 more for ram? If Ram is going from $3 to $5 / GB then ram cost goes from $72 to $160, a difference of $90.
That is not what GDDR7 or GDDR6X costs lol
Thanks man.
Does anybody know what likely memory card the new switch will use? I’d like to pick one up on sale. Is it a micro sd card again or one of the small nvme ssd’s?
I think you are right that it will be 349.99-399.99.
I just want an inexpensive entry-mid level GPU. GPU prices are just insane lately and this AI bullsht trend is just gonna hurt us more.
Look at the used market. I built a gaming PC for a friend and picked up a1 year used 6650XT for $150. Card works great for 1080p games at medium to high settings depending on the game.
Remember guys the more you buy the more you save
There is just one reason why Nvidia prices are so high -- people pay those prices. Competition from AMD won't lower Nvidia prices. We know this from comparing RDNA3 price/performance to Ada Lovelace price/performance. The only way to get Nvidia to lower prices is to stop paying the asking price. We've seen evidence of this as well in the 4080 vs. 4080 Super prices. The 4080 sold poorly, so we got the Super for $200 less.
5070 laptop with only 8GB RAM? Fuck.
Here is my overall guess for Vram and pricing:
5090 will have 28/32GB on a 448/512 bit bus at $1799 - 1999 and have 50% more performance than 4090
5080 will have 16GB on a 256 bit bus at $1199 - $1399 (overpriced like the 16gb 4080 at £1199 by making the same mistake and then releasing a 5080 Super for less) and have 4090 performance
5070 Ti will have 16GB on a 256 bit bus at $799 - $999 and have 4080 performance
5070 will have 12/16GB on a 192/256 bit bus to compete more with 8800 XT for example at $599 - $699 as a good bassline for price and have 4070 Ti Super Performance
5060 Ti will have 12GB on a 192 bit bus and compete with 8700 XT and last gen RTX 4070 for $399 - $499
5060 will have 8/12GB on a 128/192 bit bus and compete with 8600 XT and last gen 4060 Ti 16GB for $299 - $349
5050 might be coming out too but if it does expect 4060 performance with 8GB on a 128 bit bus on GDDR6/7 for $249 - $299
Anyone else agree ? I am curious to see what ya'll think about my predications. I will come back here when these cards release and see whether I am right or wrong.
5090 $1999
5080 $999
The 5080 will definitely not be that close in price to the 5090
2k all day anymore would be for like a strix or something
If a 5080 is as good as a 4090 idc price im buying
should i buy 4070 ti super now or wait 50 series? would be so helpful if anybody can answer it (cant buy amd I use autodesk maya)
thanks
If you can wait I would wait. 5070ti should be a decent bit faster for similar money, due around February.
I feel you. I purchased a 4080 Super before the prices started going up right after Black Friday. It's still unopened (I won't have time to build my new computer till after the holidays) with the ability to return it until Jan 31st. I'll see how goofy the pricing is for the 5080 and then decide.
I hope rtx 5070 goes for $699, gamers love the Monopoly so pay for it
Sad to think that the 5060 might end up being $350 considering it's only going to give AMD and Nvidia more room to neglect the low end market. The 8600XT having a 192 bit bus makes me think that they will put a higher premium on it, but hopefully intel's strategy makes AMD price it closer to $250.
$330 that matches the 7700 xt in raster with a huge boost in ray tracing is good value, hope they do that for the 8600xt.
@@4evahodlingdoge226 That would be an decent value right now, but for a new generation it's just not compelling. Especially if it's $350 instead of $330.
Of course switch 2 has a 4k output. Even the weakest integrated graphics can do a 4k output at this point.
Doesn't mean it's outputting a 4k image, which I doubt we will seeuch even with DLSS
360p rendering internally, but 4K output.
@nipa5961 haha right.
I'm sure it will generally be 540-720p handheld like most switch games, maybe pushing a bit higher docked by comparison than OG switch because of the higher boost behavior. But yeah.
Not surprised AT ALL that it has a 4k output. Will be utterly shocked if a single game ships with native 4k rendering.
I’m looking at a used 2080super for $200 on eBay right now… exciting times to buy a gpu!!!!
Hmm could they release a 9Gb 5060 model with the 3GB modules
there is no way nvidia will have a 60 class card with 12gb if their 80 class card has olny 16gb
Why? I can come up with a bunch of examples that disprove your argument. Heck, GTX 550 Ti had 1GB while GTX 480 had 1.5GB lol. The 1080 was 8GB, the 1060 was 6GB. Literally same as 12 vs 16!
Do you think the 5080 could be a 18gb card if they use 3gb modules?
He's already covered this over a month ago where he mentioned that there will be a 3 g b variant in the future, but that will have 24 gb of vram.
The 5070 which has 12 gb can have 18gb vram with 3 gb modules
That would make it 24GB.
hehe, another year that I"ll be skipping an upgrade. Got an RTX 4080 because in Canada, believe it or not, it was priced okayish when I was building my PC.
Going to wait another generation and get a 480hz 1440p monitor and a new GPU, hopefully AMD can feed that monitor by then