@ThioJoe 6 years later, still gold! (when one remembers to check what changed in 6 years) Your videos have always helped me and millions of others to take enlightened decisions, and i wanted to let you know that even your older videos still make considerable difference in the lives of millions of subscribers and their loved ones (i am watching this video to pick the right NAS for my business, this is part of how i make a living so i am not exaggerating). Thank you for making these videos available and thank you for making the information so actionable. Thank you for being like this years ago and now still. You are amazing!
You have become my new go-to source of Hardware knowledge! I love your modest, unassuming narrative style, and your explanations are so clear and comprehensive! Keep up the awesome work!
Message yo Thio Joe. Most people I know that watch your wonderful videos do NOT comment and know as I do that everything you teach WORKS ! WE APPRECIATE YOUR BRILLIANCE AND NOT BE DISCOURAGED OR STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING. YOU ARE SORELY NEEDED. I AM AN ELECTRICAL ENGINEER AND ACKNOWLEDGED YOUR WISDOM! THANK YOU FROM MANY OF YOUR LOYAL FOLLOWERS !
Nice to see that you included Optane drives in this even though they are still very new. Think it would have been good idea to just to mention SSHDs too even though they aren't exactly SSDs, though it might have needed more explanation too.
M.2 comes in two flavours. PCIe and SATA. SATA is still the same 6gb/s as a normal SATA interface where as PCIe uses the availiable PCI lanes so offering differing speeds (still faster than SATA). They also have different hardware connections (Interfaces).
You missed the essence, IMO. On most motherboards all I/O connectors dangle off a switch called Southbridge. That has 4 PCIe lanes to the CPU for all I/Os. That switch may offer a PCIe NVME even with theoretical speed. Latency is caused by the switch and time sharing or multiplexing of a couple CPU lanes across a boatload of I/O lanes. If you have an M.2 NVME card and want it to really perform, then buy a cheap PCIe adapter so as to have it on real PCIe lanes directly into the CPU. the best adapters are passive and will only do some voltage regulation. Check motherboard and CPU specs to see you have enough PCIe lanes, though. If you have 28 lanes and use two 16 lane GPU cards. With 40 lanes, you can have 2x 16 lane GPUs and 2x 4 lane NVME. You'd be surprised how fast your disappointing card can be.
Do the M.2 connectors connect to the southbridge or northbridge or direct to the PCIe interface on the CPU though? I wonder if the PCIe-only M.2 connectors connect direct to the CPU? If so, perhaps they're a bit faster.
I knew about most of this, but I watch because I like the way you explain things. I didn't know about the U.2 and I am not sure why. Usually I keep a really close eye on these things, so thanks for explaining it. Your channel is one of the few that I have the 'ringing bell' icon pressed, always good value, your vids are.
Downside of a NVME on board is if you use it you loose 2 SATA ports on the board. Until they address this issue I will stick with mechanical drives. If prices come down on SSD's then I would use it, primarily for the boot drive. For long term storage I will still use a mechanical drive.
Thank you for summing up all these new abbreviations regarding SSDs in an easy to follow video. I stopped keeping track when they moved from IDE to SATA. I got distracted by my (ex)girlfriend and college education, neither of which I am using now. Actually I lie. I saw you had another video for speeding up an internet connection. After watching this very well made video, I wondered what you had to say. As I watched that video, things didn't make any sense. However, I kept giving you the benefit of the doubt (he must mean modem, not router. He's probably going to use the batteries in something or take them apart . He must mean cable between modem and ISP, not router and modem). From my recollection of college physics, the info on how a transformer works seemed correct, though I didn't quite know how you were going to apply it. Once you grabbed the patch cable, I realized it wasn't going to work. When you wrapped the wire around the first battery, I started laughing, and read description/comments. Thank you for the laugh. So to sum it up. Again, thank you for THIS informative video, your delivery during the joke video was very good, and I'll resume not using my college education or know where my (ex)girlfriend even is right now (probably China or Mars).
Thank you so much awesome videos, do you think you will do a video on how to enable nvme, cause all the videos I've seen are not helpful, again thank you
3 years later. Hybrid Drives have been irrelevant since right about the time you posted this. No reason to get one for normal applications. I don’t even think they’re an option for normal home and office use anymore.
Still waiting for someone to start churning out programmable-metallization-cell SSDs. Would make even data center hard drives obsolete given that PMC can both tolerate a lot more writes due to lower voltages *and* can also store a lot more.
I am Chris or not. An 8k prores HQ video stream at 60fps has a single stream data rate of about 7.5gbps. Multicam 4k prores 444 even at 30fps and you’re in the same ballpark or more. A sata ssd would not give you a stellar experience for either of those tasks, whereas an nvme drive would do the trick nicely.
@@EricEsser Ok, but pretty sure by the comment he meant the average home computer not a video editing computer. That said, have you considered using a server or workstation motherboard with say, 512GB RAM. Then use say, 480GB of it as a RAM drive. Have an NVMe drive as well and use the RAM drive software or other software to continually backup to that? ... Although at your data rate it would only store about 8.5 mins of video - heh.
I should probably research this myself, but... I'm thinking about it now, so before I forget, I'll ask... is there external drives that use Thunderbolt, and how does it compare??? I've got a HP Elite x2 1012 G2 with Thunderbolt option and I believe SanDisk M.2...
Nicely informative video on ssd technology. Maybe later as ssd technology advances - ssd drives could say use more then 4 pcie lanes for better performance. Maybe even go up to using 16 lanes ( X16 ) with various configurations in between allowing the pricing to be relative to the drives performance. Say have a M.2 ssd that's an X16 model with the best flash memory vs a x4 model with say cheaper flash memory that would out perform hdd's but not the higher end ssd drive.
Still solid info 4 years later. Except for the bit about Optane. Yeah nah. That didn't go anywhere. Forgive me for laughing at the idea competitors might have their own version. Four years ago, nobody knew what was actually going to happen.
Hey Thiojoe first of all just want to say big big thank you for your tips and dips about hard and ssd drive! now my question is i am into Photography and doing lot of Editing. so which is the best SSD drive should i get for my Laptop i got an HP NOTEBOOK 15-af153sa AMD Quad-core A6-6310 Accelerated Processor -1TB HARD DRIVE -4096MB DDR3 SDRAMWindows 10 please let me know which is the best one or what would i updrade to ?much thanks for your help and kindness thanks Reynauld thomas
Thx for the explanation, very useful. One question -- if you are considering a PCIe SSD drive how do you determine if your computer can boot from it. IOW, if you are not just using the SSD for storage but also have the system partition on it I've been told that many PCIe slots are not "bootable". Hopefully, my question is clear and thx again.
ThioJoe, so you believe the Intel marketing for Optane. If you see benchmarks and the rated endurance, as well as capacity, it is worse than SSDs, yet it is priced near the high-end SSDs. It does not compete well with SSD at all.
Hi Thio, I’m working on getting an answer for DVI to USB. Is there a device with just this DVI to USB. Went to OfficeMax and they had no clue where or how to get this particular device. Can you give advice? Thank you for your time, Thio!!! Love your videos.
In general how much difference in speed is there between PCIe and SATA on an M.2 connection? Does the M.2 connector limit PCIe at all to make them comparable or is PCIe still much faster?
My SSD has slowed down somewhat - someone suggested that I change the oil... fair enough.... should I change the filter as well ? Oh yeah & I can't see where the cap is ? Any suggestions ?
@ThioJoe
6 years later, still gold! (when one remembers to check what changed in 6 years)
Your videos have always helped me and millions of others to take enlightened decisions, and i wanted to let you know that even your older videos still make considerable difference in the lives of millions of subscribers and their loved ones (i am watching this video to pick the right NAS for my business, this is part of how i make a living so i am not exaggerating).
Thank you for making these videos available and thank you for making the information so actionable.
Thank you for being like this years ago and now still.
You are amazing!
Almost as good as a liquid state drive
ThioJoe Gas state drive is best.
Bah, plasma state drive is beast
+toastbroti dont you mean GSDs
Don't you mean helium fart drives?
SATA 3 SSD's are still more than enough for most people anyway.
You have become my new go-to source of Hardware knowledge! I love your modest, unassuming narrative style, and your explanations are so clear and comprehensive! Keep up the awesome work!
Message yo Thio Joe. Most people I know that watch your wonderful videos do NOT comment and know as I do that everything you teach WORKS ! WE APPRECIATE YOUR BRILLIANCE AND NOT BE DISCOURAGED OR STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING. YOU ARE SORELY NEEDED. I AM AN ELECTRICAL ENGINEER AND ACKNOWLEDGED YOUR WISDOM! THANK YOU FROM MANY OF YOUR LOYAL FOLLOWERS !
Do a video like this about RAM!
Nice to see that you included Optane drives in this even though they are still very new. Think it would have been good idea to
just to mention SSHDs too even though they aren't exactly SSDs, though it might have needed more explanation too.
The latest motherboards can hold up to 4 M.2 drives.
And using M.2 saves on cables because you don't really need any old fashion form drives.
Thanks for the info , it enriched my Knowledge of SSDs !
M.2 comes in two flavours. PCIe and SATA. SATA is still the same 6gb/s as a normal SATA interface where as PCIe uses the availiable PCI lanes so offering differing speeds (still faster than SATA). They also have different hardware connections (Interfaces).
This guy has it going-on with just the info you need.
Now I can get it going myself. Thanx.
9:30 is where it actually starts.
I just have everything slaved to 6 IBM 704's in the basement. You need a good supply of vacuum tubes, tho.
Very nice video. I actually had some holes in my knowledge on this subject. Thank you for filling the gaps :) .
I have learnt A LOT from this video! Thanks!!!
Not all the m.2 drive are pci-e, some of them actually use sata. Most of laptop use this. It is worth to mention
You missed the essence, IMO. On most motherboards all I/O connectors dangle off a switch called Southbridge. That has 4 PCIe lanes to the CPU for all I/Os. That switch may offer a PCIe NVME even with theoretical speed. Latency is caused by the switch and time sharing or multiplexing of a couple CPU lanes across a boatload of I/O lanes. If you have an M.2 NVME card and want it to really perform, then buy a cheap PCIe adapter so as to have it on real PCIe lanes directly into the CPU. the best adapters are passive and will only do some voltage regulation. Check motherboard and CPU specs to see you have enough PCIe lanes, though. If you have 28 lanes and use two 16 lane GPU cards. With 40 lanes, you can have 2x 16 lane GPUs and 2x 4 lane NVME. You'd be surprised how fast your disappointing card can be.
Do the M.2 connectors connect to the southbridge or northbridge or direct to the PCIe interface on the CPU though? I wonder if the PCIe-only M.2 connectors connect direct to the CPU? If so, perhaps they're a bit faster.
that cleared a whole bunch of doubts that I had. Thanks for the info.
I knew about most of this, but I watch because I like the way you explain things. I didn't know about the U.2 and I am not sure why. Usually I keep a really close eye on these things, so thanks for explaining it. Your channel is one of the few that I have the 'ringing bell' icon pressed, always good value, your vids are.
Great review. I've been out of the game for a while so it was good to get some info so I can modify my machine!
Every time you said PCIe express I twitched a bit.
Very clear, calm and educational approach of several topics easy to confuse.👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks for the clear information on the different types of SSDs I love your content please keep up the excellent work ThioJoe.
Amazingly good information video. I was actually understanding this up to the 10-minute mark then I suffered brain overload.
Thank you very much. Thanks to you I am now a much more educated person. And the way you explain is simply amazing. Thank you
Thank you a lot for this video - all the minutes I spend on watching your video were worth it - you obviously know, what you were talking about
Downside of a NVME on board is if you use it you loose 2 SATA ports on the board. Until they address this issue I will stick with mechanical drives. If prices come down on SSD's then I would use it, primarily for the boot drive. For long term storage I will still use a mechanical drive.
So, tell me this, Joe. When will we start using Crystalline Drives?
Really informative and helpful! Thank you.
Thank you for summing up all these new abbreviations regarding SSDs in an easy to follow video. I stopped keeping track when they moved from IDE to SATA. I got distracted by my (ex)girlfriend and college education, neither of which I am using now.
Actually I lie. I saw you had another video for speeding up an internet connection. After watching this very well made video, I wondered what you had to say. As I watched that video, things didn't make any sense. However, I kept giving you the benefit of the doubt (he must mean modem, not router. He's probably going to use the batteries in something or take them apart . He must mean cable between modem and ISP, not router and modem). From my recollection of college physics, the info on how a transformer works seemed correct, though I didn't quite know how you were going to apply it. Once you grabbed the patch cable, I realized it wasn't going to work. When you wrapped the wire around the first battery, I started laughing, and read description/comments. Thank you for the laugh.
So to sum it up. Again, thank you for THIS informative video, your delivery during the joke video was very good, and I'll resume not using my college education or know where my (ex)girlfriend even is right now (probably China or Mars).
You increased my knowledge about SSD vs hard drives. Thank you!
The most useful vid on SSD for the consumer I've found. Great job!
Ofcoz Joe, it was very informative video without a doubt. Waiting for more videos like this ....
That is a great explanation. Thank you Joe.
Actual good content. This video took a lot of work to explain.Nice
VERY WELL presented, love your work.
Recently bought a DELL with 32GB Optane. The Machine loads so fast I can barely see it!
I just did a presentation about storage mediums for german class, wish this video came out a week ago...
Cool, fast and concise...
Thank you so much awesome videos, do you think you will do a video on how to enable nvme, cause all the videos I've seen are not helpful, again thank you
Great Lesson today. Very good stuff. I had questions. Great Job.
Wow ... amazing video...you covered all the topics concerning SSD...great work💗
Great video. Well put together and good delivery. Nice job.
Can you please make a video of Solid State Hybrid Drive (SSHD)?
3 years later. Hybrid Drives have been irrelevant since right about the time you posted this.
No reason to get one for normal applications. I don’t even think they’re an option for normal home and office use anymore.
Still waiting for someone to start churning out programmable-metallization-cell SSDs. Would make even data center hard drives obsolete given that PMC can both tolerate a lot more writes due to lower voltages *and* can also store a lot more.
Re-watching this, I can't believe they didn't call the PCI-e expansion card storage devices "Card Drives". Talk about a missed opportunity.
Doesn't matter what SSD you get. As long as you replace the hard-drive for the OS it's going to be stellar.
I am Chris or not. An 8k prores HQ video stream at 60fps has a single stream data rate of about 7.5gbps. Multicam 4k prores 444 even at 30fps and you’re in the same ballpark or more. A sata ssd would not give you a stellar experience for either of those tasks, whereas an nvme drive would do the trick nicely.
@@EricEsser Ok, but pretty sure by the comment he meant the average home computer not a video editing computer. That said, have you considered using a server or workstation motherboard with say, 512GB RAM. Then use say, 480GB of it as a RAM drive. Have an NVMe drive as well and use the RAM drive software or other software to continually backup to that? ... Although at your data rate it would only store about 8.5 mins of video - heh.
Can ANY newer PC /Laptop - Convertable use PCSi? My HP ENVY -does it have the slots?
Thanks for explaining these kinds of things man... now unto the real problem, money :/
Now if only they could make ssds affordable id be interested.
Thanks, the video is a nice complete description
Great video. Doe NVME card plugs into the M.2 ssd Slot!
Thx... now i know what to build! Gameing + want the edge on speed. nvme.2 seems way to go..
Hello Theo,
Can any of these SSD be used in a ExpressCard 34/54 slots ??
Dude...I think you should consider being one of those A+ cert kinda guys on here for example. You're not boring like the others.
I got M.2 on my latitude e7470
It's like you are my professor. Thank you so much for your videos.
PCIe 3.0 isn't the latest version. The latest revision is version 4.0, but it's still being rolled out.
I like your channel so much!
I should probably research this myself, but... I'm thinking about it now, so before I forget, I'll ask... is there external drives that use Thunderbolt, and how does it compare??? I've got a HP Elite x2 1012 G2 with Thunderbolt option and I believe SanDisk M.2...
What Camera are you using? Great Video Quality.
great video bruv, i build pc,s and sure the info you give is going to help out the new builders out there...great stuff :-)
Bestest / Easiestest to follow explanation I've found on this subject. Thank you.
Great overview and explanation.
Thank you for the info! Really Awsm vid! Keep it up thio!
Thanks for that amazing advice. I like it a lot.
U.2? Has Bono heard about this?
probably no as it is not crap as his "music"
U2 has some good music, so I don't know what you're on about.
nah it doesnt have any good music , i hate them all , cant stand it
Well, we'll just agree to disagree, shall we?
no, it is crap music
Me,almost need to be a college computer doctor w/a degree to understand,but I try 💻😷👍 Thanks Joe
My old Dell laptop with i think something like a Celeron has a m.2 wifi slot
How and what do you check to see if it’s in NVMe mode?
Nicely informative video on ssd technology. Maybe later as ssd technology advances - ssd drives could say use more then 4 pcie lanes for better performance. Maybe even go up to using 16 lanes ( X16 ) with various configurations in between allowing the pricing to be relative to the drives performance. Say have a M.2 ssd that's an X16 model with the best flash memory vs a x4 model with say cheaper flash memory that would out perform hdd's but not the higher end ssd drive.
Still solid info 4 years later. Except for the bit about Optane. Yeah nah. That didn't go anywhere. Forgive me for laughing at the idea competitors might have their own version. Four years ago, nobody knew what was actually going to happen.
Hey Joe
What type of M.2 or NVME can fit into a WIFI card slot?
Can you please do a satire video with liquid state drives? I love your old videos.
what ssd do you have btw, joe? can you do a video about your build?
Hey Thiojoe first of all just want to say big big thank you for your tips and dips about hard and ssd drive! now my question is i am into Photography and doing lot of Editing. so which is the best SSD drive should i get for my Laptop i got an HP NOTEBOOK 15-af153sa AMD Quad-core A6-6310 Accelerated Processor -1TB HARD DRIVE -4096MB DDR3 SDRAMWindows 10 please let me know which is the best one or what would i updrade to ?much thanks for your help and kindness thanks Reynauld thomas
thanks @ThioJoe
Thx for the explanation, very useful. One question -- if you are considering a PCIe SSD drive how do you determine if your computer can boot from it. IOW, if you are not just using the SSD for storage but also have the system partition on it I've been told that many PCIe slots are not "bootable". Hopefully, my question is clear and thx again.
Optane is awesome. 3D XPoint Technology.
ThioJoe, so you believe the Intel marketing for Optane. If you see benchmarks and the rated endurance, as well as capacity, it is worse than SSDs, yet it is priced near the high-end SSDs. It does not compete well with SSD at all.
Hi Thio, I’m working on getting an answer for DVI to USB. Is there a device with just this DVI to USB. Went to OfficeMax and they had no clue where or how to get this particular device. Can you give advice? Thank you for your time, Thio!!! Love your videos.
Very useful info. My appreciation!
Thank you for providing great info.
Great information.... Thank you
Are 6GB/s SSD drives faster than 6GB/s HHD?
Do I need to worry about a SATA 3 working in my old computer?
In general how much difference in speed is there between PCIe and SATA on an M.2 connection? Does the M.2 connector limit PCIe at all to make them comparable or is PCIe still much faster?
What camera do you use it's really good quality my videos are just all grainy and bad
Too drunk to pay attention....
Damn, it was important info too! XD
Why do you need to get a new SSD when you can triple your hard drive space for free?!
PCI is also pretty cool with out the express, the express is also cool, pci express is 2004
Superbb explanation.. keep it up 👍👍
People that don't watch this guy: ooh,ooh, I should buy a scsi connector ssd!
Thanks. Love ur explanations
6:11 form factor *is* connector
wow....thanks. Priceless.
thanks for your information
please make a video about obtain I really want to know how it works.
My SSD has slowed down somewhat - someone suggested that I change the oil...
fair enough.... should I change the filter as well ?
Oh yeah & I can't see where the cap is ?
Any suggestions ?
sorry for this but what type of ssd drive you recomend for a pavilion 15 laptop? nvidea 970
There is a limit to what you can put in certain older machines I assume, and make little difference to those ones
Untrue
every time I see this guys all I ever think about it his video on who to double you internet speed for free.