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  • @ChippNDipp
    @ChippNDipp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    Pro tip: send graded card slabs to other graders and get the slabs graded. Double or even triple graded cards are worth 2-3x as much.

    • @UKinQ8Gaming
      @UKinQ8Gaming 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Imagine grading a graded grade. Thats like adding gravy to my gravy so my gravy is more gravy.

    • @ultravalor7028
      @ultravalor7028 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yo dawg, I herd u liek grading

    • @ultravalor7028
      @ultravalor7028 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@justinclement5417 Mudkipz

    • @DijaVlogsGames
      @DijaVlogsGames 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s unironically what they do in coin collecting. There are graders who grade other grader’s grades.

    • @ultravalor7028
      @ultravalor7028 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@justinclement5417 It's an old meme. Nvm

  • @charlesh4333
    @charlesh4333 3 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    My theory is, when PSA and Beckett open back up. They will get an overflow of cards again and be shut down again.

    • @sourdough_ak998
      @sourdough_ak998 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think that's exactly right, I really don't think they have the means to expand enough to actually handle the market the way it is right now, for at least a few years. The obvious idea would be that the newer and smaller companies would try their hand and naturally organize themselves out as either scams or worthy of legitimacy.

    • @josueestrada8688
      @josueestrada8688 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      IMO, I don’t think so. All this spending came to be because of all the stimulus money floating around. They cut the stimulus bills and cut the extra for unemployment. It should settle down

    • @charlesh4333
      @charlesh4333 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@josueestrada8688 even if that is true, why wouldn’t people with money they have now go get their cards graded even more to maximize profits like they did if they had stimulus money.

    • @fsmoura
      @fsmoura 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Profits!? All my stimmy money plays came out averaging -95% (" ;-;) 📉

    • @christianmathew398
      @christianmathew398 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I agree, to be blunt about it my friends who stay home and smoke pot and complain about capitalism wanted to make quick cash with their stimulus. They are NOT serious collectors/investors.

  • @MTG69
    @MTG69 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Pretty sure the backlog at PSA and Beckett is my fault. I submitted 2,781,069 Star Wars TCG cards to Beckett, and 2,269,013 to PSA, about a year ago. I hope one of my Slave Leia foils grades a 10.

  • @geraldpowell4403
    @geraldpowell4403 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    CGC will be one of the biggest companies for card grading, they are already the biggest in Comics, coins and the other collectibles. They are also a division of Fanatics who just got exclusives on cards for MLB, NBA and the NFL. Psa and Beckett is now in the ring with a company that can do it faster and cheaper.

    • @forcryingoutloud23
      @forcryingoutloud23 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yeah I second this. CGC has a decent history

    • @mrdmd5697
      @mrdmd5697 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It’s going to be really hard for them to muscle in. The Whale money is with BGS and PSA slabs. Hard to get people to change their collection.

    • @_DanielFernandez_
      @_DanielFernandez_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mrdmd5697 it's probably different at the top, but at the bottom PSAs/BGS are getting fire sold on equal ground to startups and other brands. Been buying all brands for pennies on the dollar. BuT have had surprising luck having people accept lowball offers on psa8s and below. Was waiting for the the massive covid submission returns to stock up on my oddball PC stuff , and it has paid off. Will Definitely be interesting to see the arbitrage that takes place among grading collectors/buyers/flippers.

  • @WesternCommie
    @WesternCommie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Who is crazy enough to grade cards worth less than the cost of grading? That is insane to me.

    • @Ouijawii
      @Ouijawii 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ri$h people.

    • @venge1894
      @venge1894 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Overzealous collectors whom are not primarily in it for the money/investment.

    • @fsmoura
      @fsmoura 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      just lock in those grades before it shoots up to the moon and they get more cautious/strict

    • @theetiologist9539
      @theetiologist9539 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well...if it makes the card worth more than the price of grading then it makes sense. But most likely a lot of it is just speculative. It seems like we might be entering an era similar to what comics entered back in the day, where people were going after every comic and collecting them even though they weren't really all that rare or desirable. Kind of like Tulips back in the day.

    • @charlesluo3114
      @charlesluo3114 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You haven't seen the ridiculous premiums people put on grades. A $5 getting a PSA 10 can sell for $400. Yes people are dumb enough to buy them.

  • @forcryingoutloud23
    @forcryingoutloud23 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    CGC has a history with CBs so if you're comfortable there i believe their standards are equivalent to BGS

  • @josephs.4813
    @josephs.4813 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I’m seeing ads on TH-cam for some random grading company. The beanie baby era is upon us yet again

  • @simongamer987
    @simongamer987 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I don’t think PSA/BGS will be back to normal for a couple years, but I agree with everything else you had to say

  • @2ndcitysaint52
    @2ndcitysaint52 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    cgc is gonna start getting more and more recognition for cards over the next year or 2 theres already a massive flood of cgc cards in the pokemon space, from what Ive bought and seen they grade really tough as well.

    • @foxtelremote
      @foxtelremote 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      They have the pedigree from their presence in the comic grading industry. They are the sleeping giant imo, and are best positioned to overtake/stand beside the big 2.

    • @randomsanctum
      @randomsanctum 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      CGC is established and has decent turnaround times. I've been submitting to them exclusively since they started accepting Magic cards.

    • @nullifiedmindz
      @nullifiedmindz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      CGC has clout through the comic industry and their cousin company NGC is a market leader for graded currencies/coins.

    • @ZeRockOfficial
      @ZeRockOfficial 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ya but they do garbage work, no inner sleeve, so many shoty work. Over priced also

    • @randomsanctum
      @randomsanctum 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@ZeRockOfficial I've had zero issues with my CGC-slabbed cards. And $25 per card is expensive? 🤷

  • @Globalnet626
    @Globalnet626 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I don't have the space or the desire to hold onto card game collectibles but your analysis and generic financial advice has helped me afford more than double the floppy tacos. Thank you Rudy, hopefully my YOLO into oom burrito spreads closing tomorrow will print money.

  • @arkerness7754
    @arkerness7754 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I think there is a place for these small businesses particularly outside of the US, as the best, cost effective way to slab to protect your collection. I use a couple of companies in Australia for that reason. Anyone who is hoping to add value with these smaller guys is going to be unhappy.

    • @DrJambonius
      @DrJambonius 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      True. Here is Canada, BGS/PSA, even before Covid was too costly (Initial cost + exchange rate + shipping + insurances booth ways + shipping again + taxes + brohers fee), I graded very few myself... sometime for high value cards it went near 500$ for 1 card.
      I still purchase BGS already graded cards and I love them. But when grading my personnal raw cards, i use MNT Canada. Even though they are small, their standard is extremelly high (Almost impossible to get a 10/10) and price to grade is correct (Not cheap, but affordable).

  • @FlukeAndBox
    @FlukeAndBox 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Agree with the logic here. But if you are based anywhere outside of the USA, Beckett and PSA are not accessible and carry further shipping risk too (and added cost to ship).
    There is a "new" grading company that CFB will be using thats an old coin grading company from NZ. Time will tell if the premium can catch BGS (they do subgrades).
    The first company to show reliably AI graded cards and consistency that will come with that is probably going to take the cake here

  • @DoubleTripleOGfromtheset
    @DoubleTripleOGfromtheset 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    This video means: Rudy is buying all graded cards, no matter the grader.

    • @abomb420
      @abomb420 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol I got that to.ans he's right man

  • @cheevosmith892
    @cheevosmith892 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    LMAO, Rudy thinks we are going back to normal 😆

    • @tannerprince9730
      @tannerprince9730 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cheevo over here is using the new grading companies lol

    • @cheevosmith892
      @cheevosmith892 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tannerprince9730 Nah, I just think the economy is fuct and we aren't going back to normal anytime soon. That's why you hear this "new normal" term being thrown around.

    • @firstandlast.1254
      @firstandlast.1254 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I love how we're two years into this and Rudy's opinion is that "it'll be back to normal in three to nine months" LOL. Sure bud. But he doesn't care, he's invested with the big dogs. This video is literally just a hit piece against possible competition.

  • @randomsanctum
    @randomsanctum 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    CGC is the way to go. Well-known, respected and established in the collectibles market. Their turnaround times are decent, and their labels are uniform across everything they grade. I've been submitting to them ever since they started accepting Magic cards, and I won't stop now.
    Oh, let's not forget CGC is very good at building population reports / census reports for the items they grade. If they do that with their upcoming video game division, they'll already have a massive step up on WATA.

    • @thawhiteazn
      @thawhiteazn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yep. Rudy calls the grading company top dogs the big two, but it really should be the big 3 at this point.

    • @Reggaetonaldo
      @Reggaetonaldo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      They're too new in the card world. Wait till after the two big companies come back. The value will drop futher down. They're already valued less on average compared to the two.

    • @thawhiteazn
      @thawhiteazn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@iMixMaSteR1 thanks for the cryptic response, super helpful for those of us that don’t know what you’re talking about

    • @randomsanctum
      @randomsanctum 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thawhiteazn He's replying with negativity on other CGC comments as well. Must be one of those "CBCS or Bust" comic guys.

    • @Max-io7xe
      @Max-io7xe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Reggaetonaldo If anything, the opposite will be true. CGC is harsh and consistent enough that you could easily cross over CGC to PSA/BGS. When PSA/BGS come back, this will be much easier. Right now, because of PSA/BGS being closed, no one's buying CGC slabs to crossgrade.

  • @SketchingHands
    @SketchingHands 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Let’s talk about how PSA lowered their grading quality last year. This was admitted here on TH-cam.

  • @thomaslennex8969
    @thomaslennex8969 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Rudy when are you going to announce your own grading company?

    • @bccbcc3935
      @bccbcc3935 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Justin Clement exactly, Rudy does not grade cards, he remove them from market, forever.

  • @skunkybudtoker9092
    @skunkybudtoker9092 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Imagine that, Rudy selling out to the card grading og's. He's all about the big graders, f the small new companies. BGS and PSA probably give him a floppy taco every time he mentions them.

    • @tanner882
      @tanner882 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      O How Rudy forgets so easily…..Look at our current situation. Bitcoin exploded, a new currency accepted by the masses. Now combine technology with a rating capabilities and social reach…..the old companies kinda seem lame….what is new companies offer NTF’s with each graded 10? 😏

    • @ZeRockOfficial
      @ZeRockOfficial 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tanner882 or you can just mint your own NFTs connected to your psa or bgs graded 10….lol like people already do……do you live under a rock?

    • @Slattstudio
      @Slattstudio 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That's one interpretation, the other would be a warning to average people to be cautious that their ROI with non-proven companies could be negative in the long run

    • @ZeRockOfficial
      @ZeRockOfficial 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Slattstudio hell it’s hard enough to make a decent ROI with proven products from proven companies these days……now you got all these sheep to the slaughter thinking they are all baby wolves

    • @northlegendsca
      @northlegendsca 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What are the new companies bringing exactly to the table that others aren't already?
      BTC brought something new to the table, the new companies aren't bringing anything, they are simply fulfilling the increased demand.
      GL optimizing an AI grading service without being backed by infinite money.

  • @danw3735
    @danw3735 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    PCG is fine. Backed by Good Games here in Australia. Stuff sending my cards to the states to get graded.

  • @Zerostatik
    @Zerostatik 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Waiting for the graded new comic crap to implode. I could be wrong (I own a few BTW so can't really say much) but it just seems comic shops are mass grading new comics to the point that a 9.8 will mean nothing soon.

    • @crazyrabbits
      @crazyrabbits 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This is why I'm extremely concerned about the state of the market -- as it stands, the majority of the comic books I still own (sold off half of them years ago, and I'm down to a longbox) are not worth sending in to be graded. I have signed books I acquired in-person years ago (Chris Clarement and Adam Kubert, among others) that likely wouldn't pass muster on any sort of grading service because I didn't pay the upcharge at the time I acquired the books to have them authenticated/graded. Anything below a 9.6 is functionally meaningless from a cost/benefit standpoint, and I don't have the time or inclination to micromanage or try to figure out the intricacies of the market.

  • @EpicTubeHD
    @EpicTubeHD 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I believe a key point was missed. The small newer start ups probably won’t make it, but they’ll hopefully force the big 3 to make much needed changes in grading. Number one being transparency. We’ve interviewed 2 new grading companies on our Cardboard Addicts podcast this summer and both are providing much needed advancements from AI grading to just being more transparent when our cards receive their grade. Pretty amazing to know and see where the issue was that caused your believed to be 10, returns as an 8 or 9 grade. After all, we are paying them to do a job that has been done half a*s and excepted as normal for far too long. So many other issues with grading companies but thats a debate for another time

    • @ZenturionXYZ
      @ZenturionXYZ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly! I agree I will say that a lot of what Rudy said was accurate. But if the smaller companies can force the hand of PSA, BGS and CGC to make some changes and be more transparent then that’s a win for us the collectors. Sadly I don’t think anything will change. They don’t need to change and won’t need to change because of the mentality that if it ain’t PSA, BGS, CGC it ain’t worth a damn.
      They have so much business they won’t change. The only real hope is that a company that is transparent makes it to the big leagues. But PSA and Beckett held the big two forever before CGC came in. The only way CGC got in was because of it’s already sheer size and being in the grading space for comics and even then there was a lot of collectors that just didn’t want it to happen or didn’t think it would work out for them.

    • @EpicTubeHD
      @EpicTubeHD 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ZenturionXYZ I agree as well. The hope is the now big 3 will be pushed to make changes but it is doubtful sadly. Only blame can be placed on the collectors if they aren’t willing to help force the change. Problem is, too much money is at stake for so many, they won’t change themselves, and it’s understandable when you have a large chunk of capital invested like that. Another issue I have with the big 3 that many of the smaller companies aren’t doing, taking a piece of our pie. We’re paying you to do a job; grade our card. They believe they deserve part of your pie if your pie is worth any value. This to me is a huge conflict of interest. This is what causes corruption. How many times have we seen bull sh*t 10s from PSA over the years? It’s been far too many. Grading cost should be a fixed value, period. It’s the only way to prevent corruption, or as close to. And this doesn’t mean they should be charging you 600 to grade your Michael Jordan Fleer rookie card either. Again, grading companies deciding they want a piece of your pie. Just mpo at the end of the day.

  • @kb6530
    @kb6530 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I would buy the 10s from the smaller companies if they are really cheap , psa has no special 10 power , if it's a 10 at Timmy taco shack , it's probably a 9 or 10 at PSA also.....
    Some of these slabs go for 10% of the price of a PSA , I would definitely buy them, like I said PSA is NOT special , The quality of the card does NOT know what company put it into a slab , don't let Rudy confuse you , PSA is NOT worth the money , I may not be "informed" but I am no fool , a 10 over here , is normally a 10 over there , it's just a card...
    Dude just wants PSA prices to go up bc that's where he put his money....but I see it different , the quality of the card has zero connection to who graded it , a grade does not change the quality of the card...

  • @vaxxeenmtg9733
    @vaxxeenmtg9733 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i dropped a nice cradle off at a CGC booth at gencon. should be here in a few days. hoping for a 9! only card ive gotten graded

  • @vanzetti7
    @vanzetti7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Aw man I hope SGC rises up their with BGS and PSA. They are such a nice company to deal with.

  • @dsmith3112
    @dsmith3112 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Complete graded Core Sets sounds pretty cool

    • @crazyrabbits
      @crazyrabbits 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you were able to get cards like that graded for $2-5 a card, sure, I could see the collector's mindset of just having it... but in current age, paying the PSA/BGS per-card price (even at the low-tier) for anything besides the top 1% of any set is just pissing money into the wind.

  • @seankeane769
    @seankeane769 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I saw some Pokémon cards graded at comic con by a company that has graded comic books forever… I believe it was cgc or something like that but they have been in the grading business for so long… think something like that will last long term considering it’s their market they have been in for decades?

  • @floppycheese96
    @floppycheese96 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    so I recently bought my first slab from a con, complete noob, and some of my cards I think might be quite valuable if I waited and hedged my bets for PSA. But I have a card of my all time favourite pokemon (buizel/floatzel) which I have no interest in selling (in fact I don't really want to sell any of them, just own them with the knowledge that they might be worth something); more so just preserving and displaying for my own personal enjoyment. What I'm scared of happening is that this accessability to grading companies disappearing, and not having the opportunity for this service to my cards. If PSA immediatley get inundated with cards and they close again, maybe these grassroot graders will get several more chances to gain a foothold and solidify their spot in the marketplace when PSA get themselves together.....but hey, this is something only the market can decide

  • @GreyShirtGuy
    @GreyShirtGuy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This suddenly reminds me of dog registration. There is the AKC which was founded in 1800s and then there is the ACA has been running a registry since the 1980s. I remember when my mom wanted a purebred Mastiff, the breeder was some gentlemen in the backwoods of Virginia. The mother/father dogs appeared purebred, but they were not ACA registered, so their pups were not. He had his two dogs registered under the ACA and this was a big issue about the cost of the puppies.
    I was completely confused why this mattered because I knew my mother wasn't going to breed her new dog intentionally, and wasn't going to take it to shows. In the end we had one litter and she did sell off all but one puppy, but had to keep the price lower since they were only ACA certified. She got two very loyal and lovable dogs out of the whole ordeal. So when you're comparing card grading companies it just reminds me of dog registration.

  • @24thcenturycardboard92
    @24thcenturycardboard92 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    If one were going to start a new card grading company now to take advantage of the (probably temporary) approximate collapse of PSA and BGS, and one wanted to actually win and continue to be successful and meaningful once PSA and BGS come on line again, one would want to offer some sort of distinguishing attribute. Some way in which one's product was different or better than what PSA and BGS offer.
    As far as I can tell, the upstarts currently are all "we'll put your cards in a slab that's almost as nice looking but is otherwise basically the same". So, yeah, I imagine that they'll fade back into obscurity once the "big dogs" come back to the table. (If BGS and PSA can manage to avoid too much more scandal, anyway)

  • @CapCitySports
    @CapCitySports ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video Rudy. This is still relevant a year later 👍🏼

  • @jordanaraujo2579
    @jordanaraujo2579 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think there's room for at least one more legitimate card grading company.

  • @ArgosAnon
    @ArgosAnon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can’t wait for PSA to open again so I can pay $45 to wait 18 months for a card and then not know why they gave it a 9 instead of a 10.

    • @ZeRockOfficial
      @ZeRockOfficial 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      🤣 so true

    • @ZeRockOfficial
      @ZeRockOfficial 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Then you crack it and re sub and it comes back a 7 😂

  • @christiandegges1663
    @christiandegges1663 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Rudy has two CGC graded comic books behind him. I'm surprised he doesn't have faith in their trading card division.
    Also, I've seen multiple PSA 10s that deserved far lower grades.

    • @daftwulli6145
      @daftwulli6145 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      where did he talk about CGC in particular ? He simply mentioned that a lot of the new dogs won´t make it and that, and that many of them probably will not carry a premium like PSA and BECKIT do now, and I think he is right about that. Maybe CGC will be the big exception to that, maybe not, either way that does not make him wrong

    • @christiandegges1663
      @christiandegges1663 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@dorintheaclaxton7749 As is your spelling

    • @dom19945
      @dom19945 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      CGC is reputable for TCGs. The market has pretty much bought in to them as the 3rd big grading company.

  • @elechitman
    @elechitman 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I 100% agree with you and the newer investors are paying triple or more for a PSA 9 then I use to pay for PSA 10! Plus it will be a common card! I don’t think many grading companies will make it when the market changes! Awesome video!

  • @MagicTheKrakening
    @MagicTheKrakening 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    SGC is a great company to use for grading. They don't just pass out 10's either, I've broke out a handful of cards from BGS and PSA to test their grading and they are actually a bit more strict when it comes to certain cards.

    • @georgewilliam5159
      @georgewilliam5159 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I've also gotten comfortable with SGC. Really like their slab design and they grade far more consistently than PSA or BGS in my experience.

    • @christopherbownes494
      @christopherbownes494 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I dislike it when grading companies grade certain cards harsher than others. It literally ruins the idea behind grading and the good faith behind it. I've noticed it with PSA

    • @clownworld8328
      @clownworld8328 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@georgewilliam5159 their slabs feel cheaper than other companies

    • @inasuma8180
      @inasuma8180 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@clownworld8328 they’re all made of plastic, doesn’t matter to me much. Hah

  • @ozmond
    @ozmond 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the reassurance. I personally no longer purchase graded cards.
    Only raw for me.

  • @magusofthebargain
    @magusofthebargain 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You ever notice that there is no song titled "Oh baby, I like it graded"?

  • @Kavewolf1989
    @Kavewolf1989 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Although PSA only takes cards worth 2.5k dollars or more, if you do have an expensive card to get graded, it gets done fast.
    I recently sent in an arknight shard for grading and it took em about a week to grade and ship back.
    I was surprised.
    Note that I had to do the super express 300 dollar grading. I think that's the second cheapest they offer ATM

  • @sdb-sj5qd
    @sdb-sj5qd 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been "pre-grading" cards with companies that appear to have the strictest grading. It allows me to properly catalogue and protect cards while giving me a solid idea of the psa/bgs potential so that I can optimize my submission when the big boys reopen. I also see plenty of undervalued "tough" compny graded cards to buy to crack as well.

  • @ianundercover6295
    @ianundercover6295 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Nat Turner said he wants PSA bulk to get back to $10 sometime after first quarter of next year

    • @mannyk1986
      @mannyk1986 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Probably not gonna happen. Everything is more expensive now, so their cheapest options are probably going to spike in price, hopefully no more than $30/card.

    • @swishswashsmack
      @swishswashsmack 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ya good luck with that lol

    • @ianundercover6295
      @ianundercover6295 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mannyk1986 it will be interesting to see how it plays out. His reasoning was a $10 level submission is needed for the set registry, otherwise too many cards wouldn't make sense to grade

    • @mannyk1986
      @mannyk1986 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ianundercover6295 I understand that, but he still has to answer to his investing partners. Hiring cost has gone up and they are hiring more and more people at higher salaries, I doubt he can justify a sales margin below the pre-pandemic level.

    • @betapluxx
      @betapluxx 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      "When collector Nat Turner and a group of other investors acquired PSA and the other Collectors Universe properties earlier this year in an $853 million, he promised artificial intelligence would soon become part of the grading process."
      There's no other way than AI here.

  • @Ornitier23
    @Ornitier23 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I've got multiple questionable PSA 10's....

    • @fsmoura
      @fsmoura 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I question all of my PAS 10s

  • @pearcey1113
    @pearcey1113 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The info we all get from you Rudy is priceless I hope people realise this, I just wanted to say a massive thank you 🙏 cheers from Australia 🇦🇺

  • @bigshirley8658
    @bigshirley8658 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Beckett is going down I think. A lot of bad press coming out of their grading methods and founders being in jail for fraud and corruption etc.

    • @ZeRockOfficial
      @ZeRockOfficial 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That doesn’t matter. The people who hold the slabs already matter. The company could go out of business and that effects the market zero. It’s still on the holders to set the price.

    • @wilfredhuggenbottom
      @wilfredhuggenbottom 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZeRockOfficial To say it would have zero effect is a little aggressive. Set collectors are generally going to want uniformity in their collection. Its not like BGS graded cards would go to zero, but in this hypothetical post-BGS world, as more people build sets under different grading companies, you can assume at least some price fall off on BGS slabs as sellers start to realize their piece of cardboard wrapped in hard plastic isnt exactly what the market is looking for... However, its safe to assume the mega-grails, super rare, high grades wouldnt dip much, if at all, because then you're dealing with a supply issue (i.e. I'm not going to be able to find a raw Gem Mint Alpha Lotus on the Market, so this BGS slab that says its a Gem Mint Lotus is a guarantee that if I buy it I can cross grade it to my slab of choice and be confident it will come out Gem Mint on the other side)... All this is purely hypothetical though as its very difficult to imagine BGS going under.

    • @bigshirley8658
      @bigshirley8658 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not about the money. If their grading quality declines and continues to be erratic and not uniform card to card, then it’s slab value might go down

  • @polishprince47
    @polishprince47 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Rudy: The Bob's Smear Taco Sauce All Over Magic Cards...

    • @pawpatrolnews
      @pawpatrolnews 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Some people pay extra for that...

  • @matthewelliott2213
    @matthewelliott2213 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Slab things for protection and insurance... Authenticity too

  • @CollieCam
    @CollieCam 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:20 I was Timmy, got some of the question right professor!

  • @AUlex1165
    @AUlex1165 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    wow, rudy finally mentioned Final Fantasy TCG in his video again

  • @moreplease394
    @moreplease394 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I received a 1 rating on a pristine card from SGC but the letter said it was authenticated as a 10. When I contacted the company about the obvious mistake they graciously offered to fix the mistake and pay for shipping both ways but when I got the card back it was in worse condition and rated a 7. It's so obvious that the person opened the plastic case and damaged the card and then graded it after they damaged it.... So now my pristine error Sarah Jean Underwood POTY signed copy is worthless! All the good parts are covered in some weird sticky substance now too and closed within the case? Never again will I use them!

  • @FCT70
    @FCT70 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wouldn't send a basic land to PSA or BGS. They are horrible companies. I would use the CCG for any grading, if that were my thing.

  • @iristhefantastic8803
    @iristhefantastic8803 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I totally totally agree with you. Only point is CGC has now become one of the top 3 graders in the world.
    PSA, Beckett, and CGC will never go down in price. The rest of the grading companies will never get to their level. 🙂

  • @ZegotTV
    @ZegotTV 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Curious on your thoughts on CGC? I believe they are the only other company that will continue to be successful post boom. Would love to hear your thoughts on them.

  • @tcgwarrior
    @tcgwarrior 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I primarily use BGS for Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh, PSA for Pokémon and MTG, And then I'm in love with DSG for Metazoo! The arcane label designed by one of the Metazoo artists Kris Kampmann is beautiful! I understand the market in TCGs is picky especially when you're talking about individual collections but you can't always just cancel out a company. I still like CGC and DSG for certain things.

  • @MTGUnpacked
    @MTGUnpacked 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Worth getting an entire set of Dragon's Maze graded, or no?🌮

  • @Max-io7xe
    @Max-io7xe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Totally agree with the points you make in this video, except I would include CGC with PSA/BGS. If anything, CGC is more established than PSA/BGS in the collectibles world. All of those 7 figure comic sales you see? All from CGC. I've found their card grading to be harsh, accurate, and consistent. No reason to mention them in the same breath as trash, basement grading companies.

    • @Craigslist444
      @Craigslist444 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      in my opinion its because of their labels. If it didn't look like something out of 2001 I think it would dominate.

    • @Max-io7xe
      @Max-io7xe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Craigslist444 Yeah, I don't disagree. I certainly prefer how PSA labels look. But I now collect both (although the vast majority of what I have is PSA) and I've gotten used to CGC labels. Not a fan of the shade of blue they use, though.

  • @j.p.5106
    @j.p.5106 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Plot twist Rudy is actually scared his PSA and BGS slaps will be less valuable when they get surpassed by the under dogs

  • @dom19945
    @dom19945 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    For the record, CGC is considered one of the Big 3. Their name deserves to be next to PSA and BGS.

  • @watmonlimited6022
    @watmonlimited6022 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    surely there will be the same scenario... thousands of people with sets of these start up company graded cards who want to continue using the company and completing the set with with poke grade , Ace grading ect? however I'm sure there will be a drop but not everybody can/will be spending even more money re grading with PSA and Beckett especially considering peoples financial circumstances post pandemic , I think these new companies play there part for people who want an affordable option to grading and building there collection.

  • @cementium
    @cementium 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    that's why i dont understand why either PSA or BGS haven't opened an European or even Asian location.
    It boggles my mind.

  • @RobbieNero
    @RobbieNero 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for your wisdom almighty card man

  • @kinGhidora
    @kinGhidora 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    PSA and BGS for pokemon and other such card games might always hold that king spot in peoples mind but like scg for sports cards I think cgc has a place as well since they are massive in comic grading. The other ones i have no opinion on nor care much for them. Im a PSA fan myself my only RL card is BGS 9 cradle but psa is were I love to grade

  • @Ouijawii
    @Ouijawii 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Supply and demand. The demand is don't make us wait 1.5 YEARS.

  • @spyder2238
    @spyder2238 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m waiting a long time to start the grading my
    my cards, it’s too much of a mess right now

  • @g1stylempdesign929
    @g1stylempdesign929 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Anyone remember GAI grading???
    Sooo many stories of opening old sealed wax and then slabbing the pack with a High grade to prevent or disincline people to crack them revealing the scam. Stolen cards, lost cards, damaged cards
    You don’t want to use a cheaper company.

  • @neverrip7132
    @neverrip7132 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    If I were looking for a grader, the thing I want the most is the sweetest card protection. Idc about the grade. Protect card, and I pay.
    50c hard slip is good enough for me tbh. Cos idc about grade. I don't have anything worth much.
    I spent 2000 on mtg last year, 0 on grading ha!

  • @RustedInfection
    @RustedInfection 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    they need competition, it will help lower their absurd prices. They have a monopoly right now and its bs.

  • @trancedarkdust90
    @trancedarkdust90 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I didn’t have the heart……..but I’ll tell the world and you know Timmy is watching. Too bad about the money, nothing to feel bad about as a collector. Neat idea, as a collector. Bad idea, as an investor.

  • @michaelblatherwick5324
    @michaelblatherwick5324 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    End of video Rudy: "Did you ever notice..."
    Dudes who submitted Core 2019 Uncommons to BGS: "NAH, I'M GOOD!"

  • @kevinf8439
    @kevinf8439 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't really care for you magic content, but your finance content is great.

  • @ricardoblikman2676
    @ricardoblikman2676 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dont really agree Rudy on the slab grade value when its low. A slabbed card is a guarantee that it is not fake for people who can not distinguish real from fakes or those who got scammed.

  • @absoluteinfinity6619
    @absoluteinfinity6619 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember a south park episode where he had a big turd and he graded it.. was worth alot

  • @pushback4526
    @pushback4526 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well said. Thanks for the save.

  • @sp123
    @sp123 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rudy called it...

  • @brandonsmith-wz6hb
    @brandonsmith-wz6hb 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think a few companies will have gained a sliver of market share going forward like cgc sgc have a chance… going to still be determined

  • @imjody
    @imjody 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Didn't Greedy PSA say they'd be fully opened by July 2021?! 😂 They were WAY off with that one. PSA can eat it if you ask me.

  • @patrickbateman69420
    @patrickbateman69420 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    "I literally just deleted it" lmfaoooo savage Rudy

  • @fabgradedcollector7437
    @fabgradedcollector7437 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Completely agree, especially with Flesh and Blood.

  • @mtgtv1384
    @mtgtv1384 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When are we going to have artificial intelligence performing consistent grading in order to remove the objective nature of the human condition? Its coming rudy.

  • @youtubasoarus
    @youtubasoarus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So like.... I shouldn't send my cards to Timmy's Basement Trading Card Grading Company? (TBTCGC)

  • @hometownhobbies103
    @hometownhobbies103 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    some of these new grading companies do great with sports cards but are not famaliar with the CCG world.

  • @spencer1280
    @spencer1280 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i started my own grading company. unless it is physically bent in half and has dog eared corners, its a minimum 9.5. if you slip a $100 in the envelope though ill give it a gem mint 10

    • @MTG69
      @MTG69 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I just sent you 15,000 basic lands to grade. Pretty sure they survived multiple natural disasters. The "processing tip" is buried somewhere in the pile. I apologize for shipping them in a garbage bag. I didn't have a card box to spare.

    • @magusofthebargain
      @magusofthebargain 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      is your company called 8G$?

    • @fsmoura
      @fsmoura 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Fun fact: Land always survives natural disasters. Because no matter what happens, it's still land.

  • @The-skate-collector
    @The-skate-collector 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kermit the frogs crazy eyes up there wouldn’t stop looking at me this whole video…

  • @RidgleyDan
    @RidgleyDan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    As always. Thank you for the content.

  • @SOLtoo
    @SOLtoo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    if Beckett and PSA can't meet demand or are over-charging customers then more power to the new startups _PROVIDING_ that they are accurate.

  • @tomcadden8054
    @tomcadden8054 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The only card I have graded is an alpha Wall of Wood. None of my power, duals, reserved list stuff is graded. Because I cant play with it and its harder to sell for a reason.

  • @bradj9545
    @bradj9545 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m just wondering … that taco in the background seems to be holding up pretty well over the past year … did Rudy get it scotch guarded? … wonder how it would grade…

  • @magusofthebargain
    @magusofthebargain 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    All sayings come from people doing the opposite. The fact that there is a saying: "Buy the card, not the grade." means that many people are buying the grade.

  • @knkbrtwasa1738
    @knkbrtwasa1738 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This might be a little different in europe since we have very limited access to PSA or BGS

  • @MrSteveHTube
    @MrSteveHTube 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'll take the over on PSA and BGS being back to normal in a year.

  • @smalltown4855
    @smalltown4855 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I definitely want to sketch out the outline of a bowl of Brazil nuts now. either that or throw a giant gong off a mountain ledge.

  • @johncampbell2561
    @johncampbell2561 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    PSA or Beckett shouldn’t have control of the whole card grading market. It makes for highly overpriced cards which is bad for the hobby. Competition by other reputable grading companies like SCG and FCG among a few keep a nice balance in the hobby. It’s similar to saying that you should only buy a Ford or a GM product when there are a lot more options out there.

  • @sleezy7752
    @sleezy7752 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is it not at all possible to become a patreon member? is says its sold out. Id like to purchase a draft box if possible, any help would be much appreciated!

  • @davidhowell1415
    @davidhowell1415 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Timmy will always be a Timmy unless they move on to become a Rudy

  • @expensivecardboard
    @expensivecardboard 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's going to be the 2020 junk slaps Era

  • @kennethmorrison6321
    @kennethmorrison6321 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'll just wait for PSA to open. I'm not sending my cards to some guy in his mom's basement eating tacos.

  • @MrTranzformer1
    @MrTranzformer1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    A graded core set is cool to have though just to collect

  • @dbs23dbs
    @dbs23dbs 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Some of these new grading companies do not authenticate the card, only grade it. Do your research before using. Rudy is providing a service for us here to be cautious.

  • @DadsAPleb
    @DadsAPleb 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So let's open Taco Sauce Grading, just you and me Rudy.

  • @OwenCarver
    @OwenCarver 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't think PSA will EVER open up to grade cards for less than $150/card. That's a dream. HGA will hold value because of submission limits. BGA will stay the same. But many many more people are grading cards today than ever before. PSA and BGA will never be able to handle the load of the market. And they don't have to. They'll sit comfortably in the realm of grading only very high value cards.

  • @PokemonHolo
    @PokemonHolo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I get annoyed by the dozens of new grading company's that allot of people are using.
    I don't buy the cards if they are graded with any company that isn't PSA/BGS/CGC
    The people who use the other company's for grading don't see the issue, they often like the slab design better

    • @robzombie3324
      @robzombie3324 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      all grading is a scam you paying extra for a number

  • @PopLifeToys
    @PopLifeToys 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So as far as Metazoo which has made you big money, DSG is one of the most legit startups I’ve seen. With custom labels done by the metazoo artist. And QR codes with links to section by section grading doesn’t make it a legit grade.
    AKA this is why I’m not a Patreon and don’t give two turds about the Rudy Promo