Randy you should have your crew put together a montage of shots you have taken on elk. With the calibers, bullets, and ranges of you hunting. BTW i miss watching you out hunting, or even helping other new elk hunters. I know about your health issues, and why you dont do it anymore. Im just saying that you are missed. You have and always will be a true hunter to the core and meaning. Not only just for the hunts, but for the conservation efforts that you have done for our community. THANK YOU!
@@208SledHead Well number one it would be fun to remember past hunts that he was on, and for us to remember them with him. Two educational and seeing what calibers and bullets are the most effective at different distances.
@@Longtrailside I was hoping you'd say that. I'm not picking on YOU in particular, but I don't understand why so many hunters insist on there being a "best" cartridge, because there is none. I see and hear comments all the time about "Well my 06 has never let me down in 30 years so that's the best." Well guess what? A 308 isn't gonna let you down. A 28 Nosler isn't gonna let you down. A 300 Win Mag isn't gonna let you down. As long as you do your part as the shooter, and you're using an adequate cartridge for the animal you're hunting, the bullet will not "let you down." And videos will not provide definitive proof of anything. Why? Because there's too many variables. Wind drift, foliage, shot placement, muscle and bone density, was the animal sick or wounded prior? All of these can and will affect the outcome of the final result. For some reason people get this emotional attachment to a certain cartridge and I personally think it's ridiculous. Why people INSIST that there has to be a "best" is beyond me. If you do your part as a hunter, a 6.5 Creedmoor will kill a mule deer just as fast as a 300 PRC will. It's such a tired, beaten-to-death debate and it blows me away that people still continue to have the discussion. If there was a way to provide absolute proof, then sure - debate all day long. But there isn't. A dead animal is a dead animal.
I love it when so much evidence comes back to the trusty old 270!! People love the 6.5 Creed because it’s easy to shoot but then the debate is… you need a little more energy . Ok I bought a 6.5 PRC but can’t find ammo. Silly people,270 has basically identical ballistics and energy, but it’s not cool anymore. That’s where I smirk as I head to my freezer for my game meat!
The 30-06 was what I started out with in 1980. Then I moved to the 7 mag for elk and the 243 Win for deer in my early 20’s. I picked up a 6.5 PRC and have hunted with the 270 Win to go along with the other three…… I purchased a 6.8 Western because it was the only ammo I could find on the shelf a few years back, and I loved my 270, so I thought, why not? Well, it has now become my favorite rifle and cartridge. I’ve had excellent results. If you’re looking for a rifle that is efficient out of a short barrel, the Western is tough to beat, especially if you want to add a suppressor. I have only lost 40 ft per sec off the box velocities, using that short barrel. In my experience, all 6 have been excellent hunting cartridges and you honestly can’t go wrong with any of them.
data point re all-copper: 129gr Barnes VOR-TX w/ LRX bullet from 270 maintains >1500 ft-lbs beyond 400 yds with sufficient velocity for mushroom several hundred yards further
Great, practical, factual summary, Randy. There are so many "wannabe" "experts" on this topic, and you nailed it. No need to get any more technical than you did. Great job as always.
The advice at 8:00 is about all you need to know picking a chambering for elk or the like. If biggest cod piece is a factor then by all means go large. Otherwise 7mm-08 delivers on all those aspects and all you have to give up is the he-man recoil.
Great video, Randy! I have taken an elk with my 7mm Rem Mag, several with my 338 Win Mag, and one with my 45-70. All do the job for sure. My wife is using her custom 300 WSM that had no problem with her elk last year. Cheers!
I tend to use some older or oddball cartridges. I’m a big fan of the 7x57 and the 300 H&H. All have figured walnut stocks and blued finishes. BUT, I have one stainless/synthetic rifle as a do-it-all beater. It’s a 30-06 loaded with 180gr Partitions.
Years ago when I was out west on an elk hunt I used an old Remington 700BDL chambered in .270 Winchester. My guide used a .25-06. The 'expert' hunter in the group that insulted my .270 was using a .338 Lapua mag and his elk was the only elk not recovered. Mine was a 219 yard shot that dropped it DRT.
My dad went on a guided hunt and showed up with his old 30-06 with iron sights. They literally laughed at him. They were not laughing at the end of the day, or the next three seasons he went on that same hunt.
@@6254KLR I used to work with an old man that had come from California. Years ago he always went to AZ for elk and mule deer. He showed up with a 30-30 lever gun and everyone laughed at him the first year. They quit laughing when he bagged his elk, as most of them did not. Personally, I hunt with a .300 Wby and have taken an elk with it. But my dream is to take one with Grandpa's old Model 94 30-30 someday before I'm buried.
I use a 308 Win and a 300 WM. I reload for both using 165gr Speer SPBT for the 308, and 180gr Nosler partition and 190gr Speer Impact in the 300 WM. Neither has ever let me down.
Good morning Randy,I’m coming late to the party I have taken elk with every thing from a .243 to a 45-70 and a 30-30 to a 375 H&H, shot placement in my opinion is far more important than the size or speed but I do agree with your limitation on 400 yards or less I’ve taken elk, cows and bulls from 15 yards to 500 yards be confident with your chosen weapon, don’t try to make it do what it not intended for and good hunting
It's fascinating to have so many options available in calibers and bullets. I like the 270 WSM, 300 WSM, and 280 AI for elk. Thanks for opening up a discussion.
300wby 338win 7rem 30-06 270win 308 have all proved theirselves on elk with me it’s all about the placement. But the 300B and 338w blow em down no matter placement.
For forty years I have only had one hunting rifle witch has served me well, an Austrian Steyr Mannlicher 308W, using only home loaded ammo with 150 gr Nosler partition to shoot everything from foxes to elk at distances up to 300 yards. I have never needed another hunting rifle.
I've hunted and harvested elk with many different cartridges. I've taken the knowledge of GunBlue 490 and believe there is a sweet spot as far a velocity and sectional density of the bullet. I want penetration and little capillary damage to the meat. I don't know that I could say there is a best cartridge but I do know I've relieved myself of all my magnum rifles and now the largest caliber I use is the 35 Whelen even though it's not the rifle I use the most. It all depends on where I'm hunting. The two largest elk I ever killed were with a 7mm Mauser but I've probably killed more elk with a 30-06, it just always works at any range I've attempted.
It’s very interesting that caliber de jour is the 6.5 Creed. It’s also interesting to me that if you compare the 6.5 to the 270 WCF you’ll find that ballistics for both cartridges is surprisingly similar.
But 270 WCF shoots faster with less drop and minimal wind drift difference. I don't know any 6.5CM shooting 143gr over 2800fps, but my 270WCF shoots 145gr @ 2960fps.
The only reason its somewhat close is because the 270 is running with a 1:10 twist restrictor plate allowing the Creed to catch up and pass at extended ranges with high BC bullets. Within 400 yards the 270 smokes it.
@@JimWooddell my rifles is well below .5 MOA tested out to 1100 yards. I’ve used the Hybrids on a number of animals and asked several elk guides to give their opinions and most recommend the hybrids over ELDX and EOL Elite Hunters. As long as the meplat isn’t damaged they outperform regular Berger hunting bullets. The velocity has to be around 1600 fps for either to perform as designed. None of that is luck. I practice alot and test rifles and ballistics almost daily. Maybe I should have said I’ve had better results with the 180 hybrids.
I use a Browning a bolt in 325wsm. Have used 270s, 35 Whelen, 300 ultra mag. Have killed elk with all of them. The 35 is an excellent up close timber gun out to 300 yards. Didn't like the ultra, just wasn't for me. But love the wsm for elk. The combination of energy, speed, and heavy bullets is a deadly combination. Shoot 200 grain accubonds or 200 grain woodleigh weld cores. But like Randy, shoot the gun you shoot accurately and consistently.
Remington action cannot handle hot ultra mag Loads a friend of mine who I hunted with in Colorado quit shooting his because of jamming hunting rimrock on the Continental divide he is an exceptional Marksman he now has a 338 378 weatherby that has taking a half a dozen elk with one shot out to 600 the gun shoots half inch Elmer Keith designed the cartridge necking down the 378
Randy, I’m struggling to wrap my head around your comment regarding the 7mm-08 penetration at odd angles. Seems to me that the 7s provide better SD and better ballistics than the 30s. Frontal area matters but it also can reduce penetration after expansion. When we get into the mono’s the penetration game changes. Downsizing is often best practice and penetration is still off the charts. Please tell me why you think the 7mm-08 struggles with odd angles on elk?
@@Cool-hand-hunting so you are changing out barrels every year? Lol. By the time you find a load practise and shoot 3-4 animals in a year your barrel is done. LOL.
Glad you mentioned SD, lot's of people get hung up on having a high BC bullet, without a decent SD, you will get zero penetration, without that the game is wounded and walks away. I use a 270 wsm with 140gr accubond, they do the job very well, I would like to get a 7 PRC down the road, the 284 bullet is the best of all worlds.
I'm fervently hoping that the specific hunting cartridge I've selected for my .30-06 Sprg will prove up and serve as an all-around big game cartridge from mule deer to whitetail, to elk and moose. That is a 168-grain, Federal Premium Berger Hybrid Hunter. It shoots relatively well from my Tikka T3x rifle (certainly to sub-MOA accuracy bench-rested) and I also have my Leupold CDS turret customized to that cartridge. I haven't yet been lucky enough to take a shot on a big game animal as yet as last Fall was my first season. I realize shot placement will always be key, of course.
I'm surprised there are no newer PRC calibers. I am practicing with Howa 6.5 PRC 156 Berger in Hogue Carbon (for the Elk I missed last year) and a Bergara Ridge in 300 PRC (245gr Berger) for oryx in New Mexico. Last year I took an elk with a Mossberg MVP in .308 with 168gr at 200 yards. Thanks for the great videos. At 72 years old, every year is my last year, but New Mexico has twice made me successful with the draws.
20 years ago my first choice would have been my win. M70 in 300wsm. Now days it just kicks too hard. I would have to take my mod. 70 in 270. 7/08 would be next followed by my coues rifle in 6.5 creedmoor.
Taking my son hunting for first time this fall. The cartridge that he is most accurate with is what I recommended. Taking the 243 for whitetail. I think you have the best answer.
100% agree, Randy. I personally chose a Remington 700 BDL (comfortable fit for me) in a 7mm Rem Mag simply because the recoil is manageable, its versatility in regard to bullet weight and its flat trajectory. I have killed every elk I have shot at, just as you said about the .30 caliber rounds. I can load a light bullet for smaller game such as whitetail deer, and go heavy for the thick-skinned varmints, like elk and honestly, I don't change my scope settings much while moving from one weight to another. At least within the distance I have decided to limit myself to which is 250-300 yds. I can shoot further for sure, but I have zero interest in wounding an animal just because of wind or elevation misjudgment etc. I'd rather go home empty handed. I enjoy experimenting with different bullets, but I have found that the Speer Trophy Bonded Bear Claw has phenomenal potential and they have performed very well for me .... although they are no longer available without purchasing them already loaded (last I checked). So, I went to Barnes X-bullets, which have done well for me, but I am not as happy with consistent range accuracy..... they are not so bad I don't have confidence in them, it is just that I struggle achieving repeatable results regardless of practice. I may not have found the best powder match yet, but that is another topic. I have confirmed that the bullet is in fact lethal, I have no complaints aside from the minimal accuracy deviations. I enjoy the discussion, thank you. Hope to see you in the field someday soon, sir. Edit: Oh, you might be glad to know that I use Leupold scopes on all but one of my scoped firearms..... love them.
Actually with cooper bullets since copper isn't as dense as lead in order to have bullets that are the same weight the copper needs to be longer which can make them hard to stabilize in some rifles. That is one of the reasons why in some calibers you will notice that a brand will have a different weight for their cup and core or bonded bullets and their copper equivalent. This also helps to increase velocity without excessively increasing chamber pressure. Years ago when I first learned about the Barnes X bullet as it was called then I contacted them about what would be best to load in my .243 and my 7mm Rem Mag and they suggested that for the .243 I drop from the 100 grain bullets that I was shooting down to 80 grains and from 175 grains down to 150 grains in the 7mm Rem Mag since that would give me the velocity needed for the bullets to function properly without having too much pressure. Now these years later the heaviest bullet that they load in their TTSX for the .243 is 80 grains and 160 grains for the 7mm Rem Mag. As someone who had used Nosler Partitions for years on Elk in Oregon nothing penetrates like a copper bullet. I am also 100% on board with the 400 yard and in being normal hunting distances. The farthest shot that I've ever seen successfully made was by my father in a monster Roosevelt Elk bull @ 538 yards with a perfect rest and only a slight head on wind. It took three 225 grain Nosler Partitions from a .338 Win Mag to the shoulder before it went down. It didn't even flinch at the first two and went down at the third. Had it not been a once in a lifetime bull my dad would've never taken that shot.
Never did like the FPE equation. But I realize it actually, Bullet Diameter (times) Weight (times) velocity (times) BC (depending on distance) (Divided ) by 7000 I do find that the higher the BC lessons the knockdown power in general. Take the old Remington Bronze Point, the expansion is erratic as it gets
A 200 gr. Remington Core-Lokt in .35 Whelen (fired from a Remington 7600 pump rifle) from "normal" ranges. Also, a 180 gr. Barnes VOR-TX and a 200 gr. Winchester PowerPoint and a 250 gr. Remington Core-Lokt--all in .35 Whelen.
I really like this video.👍👍 Energy, shot placement, bullet construction, personal skills. Are key factors. My personal set up is the 7mm Remington mag. With the 160 Swift Aframe.
Another thing to keep in mind is ammo availability. When I bough my 300 win mag I looked at the grain bullets I could get plus how easy it was to find ammo. If I would say choose a 257 Robert’s which many still use for elk hunting and moose hunting in sone circles finding ammo is a bit harder. The best elk cartridge is the one you are able to handle and shoot. I went with a 300 win mag for my elk hunt this fall but it’s going to pull double duty as my bear gun and my deer rifle when I’m shooting from mountain side to mountain side.
I ve got this!!! The one you like to put the meat you eat on your plate and if no one else understands how or why makes it even more fun without ballistics and science that the pioneers didn’t need either
I've hunted Elk and muleys for decades. I started with a 308. Worked great out to 200idh yds. Then in 1986 I went to a 300 win mag. I'll never look back. Then I went to a bonded bullet soon after. The Swift Sirocco 180 grn. out to 400 plus yds. Kills like lightning! I live in Colorado and hunt large elk and mule deer. I concur that bullet and bullet placement are the 2 key factors bar none! Thanks and good hunting!! BTW. I have a fist full of recovered Siroccos from very dead elk. The Accubond (my son uses these) is also a great bullet in the LR, but has a thinner jacket.
I’ve only been able to go elk hunting 2 times in my life. First time was 4th rifle season in Colorado. I shot my first elk on the second day with a.338 win mag @ 215 yards. Second time was with archery equipment. Long story but due to some confusion the drop camp outfit we used forgot to tell my hunting party that we should have entered the draw for tags…. We thought they were over the counter. So much money wasted and traveling for some distance we tried to make the best of it. Well, that being said. I started load development with 200 gr nosler acutips. Couldn’t find enough to practice and do load development. Went to the 225 gr nosler…. Much more manageable recoil. Not harsh at all. Just trying to explain that light bullets in a big cartridge can be sharp and hurt. I found that a little more weight helps very much. Thanks for the video.
some of the newer reloads for the 6.5 PRC with a decent length barrel to get velocities while also running the newer 156 grain bergers could really surprise the 30 calibre and 338 users. maybe not change their minds and if they can handle the recoil good luck to them.
tiene toda la razón, uso 270 en Argentina y 25/06 en los EE. UU. ya que no hay propinas en mi país. Si pudiera usar un 30/06, lo haría, pero me molesta el retroceso, así que me quedaré con mi 270
I couldn't agree more. I just put together a new big game rifle so I can retire my family heirloom Weatherby .270 mag mk 5 made in Germany that my mom bought my dad for their 1st wedding anniversary in 1962. I decided to retire it and keep it in the safe for 3 big reasons: 1 real monetary value, 2 sentimental value, 3 cost and availability of ammo. I chose a Weatherby Vanguard in 30-06. Why its a reasonable priced rifle, I can buy ammo anywhere Walmart, ace hardware etc. and it is affordable. I can shoot light grain 110 with 3500 fps for deer and all the way up to 220 grain at about 2500 fps versatility is there. I still think its hard to beat the 30-06. I bought 3 boxes or 165 grain ammo from Remington, Federal, and Winchester so see what shoots best. Still have to get it to the range.
You picked a great rifle, I have two of them and I believe they are one of the best out there for the money. And you picked the all time greatest cartridge also!
The 270 weatherby is probably about 10 inches lower at 400 yards than the 06 270 weatherby was a laser beam in 62 much flatter than the Winchester and harder hitting good luck with the 06 but it's no weather be
Amigo, déjame darte un consejo, disfruta de lo que tienes. Uno se muere sin disfrutarlo.se le dije a mi padre antes de que muriera, no disfruto de una maldita cosa
Personally in my opinion if I could only have one rifle for everything I'd go with my .270, however on big game like elk or moose and I have an option it'll be 30 cal every time
Randy... loved your article in the lastest Bugle magazine!!! with respect to rifle cartridges (event though I'm an archery hunter), I am a 30-06 guy (mostly for availability). almost all my rifles are 30-06 (or .223 😛). sorry, retired Marine here. i stick to the classics.
To me, 300 or 400 yards are not that short hunting distances . To me, I will consider 250 , 250 " and under , a short distance." ♥️ Your podcasts and videos . Thank you so much for being an advocate for wildlife . Cheers !
Yep I watched that one! I watch him almost as much as I watch you. Not the problem in this case. Thank you for your help and insight though! It's very good to talk with you! I am an old Vietnam vet just trying to get myself up the mountain😊 wouldn't mind going up the mountain with you sometime! 😁
Keep the shots behind the shoulder with those bullets I've had them blow up on black bear shoulders but the behind the shoulder shot the animals drop like rocks
Limited experience with the eldx, but my opinion is that they are junk. They might, just might, work at 600 yards, but at 0 to 200 yards they are garbage.
I'm a 7 guy too, but after researching the 7prc, I'm going to look elsewhere for my next cartridge. It's baffling, but the performance just isn't where I would want it.
I was also seriously considering using the the 7PRC. I have seen test where Hornady has now switched powders and the 7 PRC is not what Hornady originally reported. I also shoot 300 PRC and I shoot the 7rem mag. I will stick with the 7mm rem mag Federal TA 155 grains and the longer shots in open country I use the 300 PRC.
Another biased 30 cal recommendation. 7mag shoots a 150 around 3100fps, 270win shoots a 150 around 2950fps, and a 308win shoots a 150 around 2750fps; partitions are available for all three. Monolithic bullets need velocity, and the 308win has the least - case is just smaller. Will a 308win work with a 150 partition - sure, although a 7mag or 270win will give you greater penetration and range. And a 308win shooting a 150 mono has minimal expansion at 400yds (impact velocity below 2,000fps). Not saying a 308win is bad or it won’t work, but I am not sure how you can recommend it over a 7mag or 270win.
I personally wouldn't go for a monolithic bullet in a 308 Win, just not quite enough beans, unless its like a 130 grain, which is too light in my opinion. My 308 will shoot a 165 Bonded poly tip bullet at 2775 and a 150 bonded at 2875 (confirmed with chrono). A 308 will actually with the same barrel length (22" in most hunting rifles) match the 270 velocity with the same bullet weight. Check it with a chrono, most handload books and most factory ammo biases the published numbers off of longer barrels than most hunting rifles like a 270 use. My son took his first elk last fall with a 165gr from a 308 at 500 yards. Thats the limit of that cartridge for me, but it sure did the trick, Im not into long range, and do draw the line at 400 or 500 depending on the scenario, we just couldn't get closer in open terrain and I knew he could make the shot. But I wouldn't have trusted a copper bullet from a 308 at all. I don't believe there is any real world difference on lethality between a 308 and 270. The 270 is only flatter if its using a lighter bullet. They are energy delivered twins. The 7 mag is a step up from both for sure.
I know it's not for everyone but I really like my 300 rum I got a break on it and it tamed it down a lot and I've taken a lot of deferent game animals never had to shoot more than once at any of them
thank you one more time for the transparency, experience and authenticity! if I had to pick one caliber, it would've been 308. kind of the same as 30-06 but in short action. also its not as destructive as other rounds for the smaller game (deer). I also love the 7mm-08, and 270win but for the smaller game. 🙂 I hope one day I get to go hunting with you! 🙂
Randy I've been watching your fresh tracks videos for years. I take some of your recommendations on a regular basis. You touted the Howa super light. Yours was in 7 mm 08 that sounded like a good caliber to me so I got one. It's a really good looking rifle and it would be really nice to carry up the mountain. It shoots a 1-inch group and then a 6-inch group, it's all over the place.Talked to the people at legacy sports international. They gave me several suggestions all of which I tried, nothing worked. They told me to send it in, which I did. I started watching some other reviews and reading some reviews. There's a bunch of people having trouble with accuracy of this particular firearm. As far as I could see all linked to the poor design of the stock. I sent that rifle to them on January 16th of this year and have had no response from them since! Does not inspired great confidence! Wondered if you'd heard anything about the problem or have any suggestions of what I might do? Still love your videos by the way!
Dang. Sorry to hear that. I have four of them. They all shoot great. Are you shooting with the rail, or not? I've had three guys report problems and when checked, the rail was loose. Check out Ron Spomer's TH-cam videos on the Superlight. He has had great luck with them. Tell Chad I sent you - cpeters@legacysports.com. He's a great help.
Ron Spomer has a video talking about accuracy issues if you use lead and then switch to all copper bullets, not sure if that applies to your situation or not, but if it does he provides a solution to that issue.
Randy you should have your crew put together a montage of shots you have taken on elk. With the calibers, bullets, and ranges of you hunting. BTW i miss watching you out hunting, or even helping other new elk hunters. I know about your health issues, and why you dont do it anymore. Im just saying that you are missed. You have and always will be a true hunter to the core and meaning. Not only just for the hunts, but for the conservation efforts that you have done for our community. THANK YOU!
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What would a montage have proven?
@@208SledHead Well number one it would be fun to remember past hunts that he was on, and for us to remember them with him. Two educational and seeing what calibers and bullets are the most effective at different distances.
@@Longtrailside I was hoping you'd say that.
I'm not picking on YOU in particular, but I don't understand why so many hunters insist on there being a "best" cartridge, because there is none. I see and hear comments all the time about "Well my 06 has never let me down in 30 years so that's the best." Well guess what? A 308 isn't gonna let you down. A 28 Nosler isn't gonna let you down. A 300 Win Mag isn't gonna let you down. As long as you do your part as the shooter, and you're using an adequate cartridge for the animal you're hunting, the bullet will not "let you down." And videos will not provide definitive proof of anything. Why? Because there's too many variables. Wind drift, foliage, shot placement, muscle and bone density, was the animal sick or wounded prior? All of these can and will affect the outcome of the final result. For some reason people get this emotional attachment to a certain cartridge and I personally think it's ridiculous. Why people INSIST that there has to be a "best" is beyond me. If you do your part as a hunter, a 6.5 Creedmoor will kill a mule deer just as fast as a 300 PRC will. It's such a tired, beaten-to-death debate and it blows me away that people still continue to have the discussion. If there was a way to provide absolute proof, then sure - debate all day long. But there isn't. A dead animal is a dead animal.
They'd run the risk of youtube flagging or even removing it.
My go to hunting rifle is my old 270 ruger with 150gr nosler partitions . It has not let me down in over 30 years 😊
I can't think of anything that combo can't do in NA
Ditto that! Same choice here...but for a few more years. It just works.
Got my first ever elk last fall with that round. It did a great job.
I bet literally tons of elk have been taken by that old 270/partition combo.
That is on my shopping list. Ruger no. 1 with 26” barrel, for western medium game (not elk).
I love it when so much evidence comes back to the trusty old 270!! People love the 6.5 Creed because it’s easy to shoot but then the debate is… you need a little more energy . Ok I bought a 6.5 PRC but can’t find ammo. Silly people,270 has basically identical ballistics and energy, but it’s not cool anymore. That’s where I smirk as I head to my freezer for my game meat!
Great video! My 7mm08 has 1575 ftlbs of energy at 400 yards with 150 gr eld-x. It's preformed well for me for elk, antelope and deer
The 30-06 was what I started out with in 1980. Then I moved to the 7 mag for elk and the 243 Win for deer in my early 20’s. I picked up a 6.5 PRC and have hunted with the 270 Win to go along with the other three…… I purchased a 6.8 Western because it was the only ammo I could find on the shelf a few years back, and I loved my 270, so I thought, why not? Well, it has now become my favorite rifle and cartridge. I’ve had excellent results. If you’re looking for a rifle that is efficient out of a short barrel, the Western is tough to beat, especially if you want to add a suppressor. I have only lost 40 ft per sec off the box velocities, using that short barrel.
In my experience, all 6 have been excellent hunting cartridges and you honestly can’t go wrong with any of them.
data point re all-copper: 129gr Barnes VOR-TX w/ LRX bullet from 270 maintains >1500 ft-lbs beyond 400 yds with sufficient velocity for mushroom several hundred yards further
Great, practical, factual summary, Randy. There are so many "wannabe" "experts" on this topic, and you nailed it. No need to get any more technical than you did. Great job as always.
The advice at 8:00 is about all you need to know picking a chambering for elk or the like. If biggest cod piece is a factor then by all means go large. Otherwise 7mm-08 delivers on all those aspects and all you have to give up is the he-man recoil.
My 270 with 150 grain Nosler partition did just fine on my bull last year.
Great video, Randy! I have taken an elk with my 7mm Rem Mag, several with my 338 Win Mag, and one with my 45-70. All do the job for sure. My wife is using her custom 300 WSM that had no problem with her elk last year. Cheers!
I tend to use some older or oddball cartridges. I’m a big fan of the 7x57 and the 300 H&H. All have figured walnut stocks and blued finishes. BUT, I have one stainless/synthetic rifle as a do-it-all beater. It’s a 30-06 loaded with 180gr Partitions.
270 winchester ive taken a lot of my elk and deer with it. 140 grain nosler accubond. All my elk ive shot under 300 yards the 270 drops them everytime
270 Win with the old Speer 130 grain Grand Slam. Drops everything.
Are you talking the old duel core ?
Been extremely happy with the 6.8 western. My second choice would be the 300 wm
I LOVE the 6.8 western! Great caliber!
@@SabertoothDefenseSystemsit’s a cartridge, the caliber of the 6.8 western cartridge is .270
@@jaydunbar75386.8 is also a bullet diameter, which is .277in or 6.8mm in diameter. Hush
@@jaydunbar7538 dude chill
@@jaydunbar7538isn’t it .277 like the .270 Winchester?
My old Howa 30/06 with the 180 grain nosler partition in the ribcage out to 300 yards will do the trick.
Years ago when I was out west on an elk hunt I used an old Remington 700BDL chambered in .270 Winchester. My guide used a .25-06. The 'expert' hunter in the group that insulted my .270 was using a .338 Lapua mag and his elk was the only elk not recovered. Mine was a 219 yard shot that dropped it DRT.
My dad went on a guided hunt and showed up with his old 30-06 with iron sights. They literally laughed at him. They were not laughing at the end of the day, or the next three seasons he went on that same hunt.
@@6254KLR I used to work with an old man that had come from California. Years ago he always went to AZ for elk and mule deer. He showed up with a 30-30 lever gun and everyone laughed at him the first year. They quit laughing when he bagged his elk, as most of them did not.
Personally, I hunt with a .300 Wby and have taken an elk with it. But my dream is to take one with Grandpa's old Model 94 30-30 someday before I'm buried.
I use a 308 Win and a 300 WM. I reload for both using 165gr Speer SPBT for the 308, and 180gr Nosler partition and 190gr Speer Impact in the 300 WM. Neither has ever let me down.
30-06 and 7mm for my two elk kills. I prefer the 06. Great as always Randy, thank you.
3006 is king of you ask me
Good morning Randy,I’m coming late to the party I have taken elk with every thing from a .243 to a 45-70 and a 30-30 to a 375 H&H, shot placement in my opinion is far more important than the size or speed but I do agree with your limitation on 400 yards or less I’ve taken elk, cows and bulls from 15 yards to 500 yards be confident with your chosen weapon, don’t try to make it do what it not intended for and good hunting
It's fascinating to have so many options available in calibers and bullets. I like the 270 WSM, 300 WSM, and 280 AI for elk. Thanks for opening up a discussion.
300wby 338win 7rem 30-06 270win 308 have all proved theirselves on elk with me it’s all about the placement. But the 300B and 338w blow em down no matter placement.
For forty years I have only had one hunting rifle witch has served me well, an Austrian Steyr Mannlicher 308W, using only home loaded ammo with 150 gr Nosler partition to shoot everything from foxes to elk at distances up to 300 yards. I have never needed another hunting rifle.
I've hunted and harvested elk with many different cartridges. I've taken the knowledge of GunBlue 490 and believe there is a sweet spot as far a velocity and sectional density of the bullet. I want penetration and little capillary damage to the meat. I don't know that I could say there is a best cartridge but I do know I've relieved myself of all my magnum rifles and now the largest caliber I use is the 35 Whelen even though it's not the rifle I use the most. It all depends on where I'm hunting. The two largest elk I ever killed were with a 7mm Mauser but I've probably killed more elk with a 30-06, it just always works at any range I've attempted.
30-06 180 grain polymer tip at 200 yards and I’m a happy man with elk meat on the freezer and in the pot :)
35 Whelen
It’s very interesting that caliber de jour is the 6.5 Creed. It’s also interesting to me that if you compare the 6.5 to the 270 WCF you’ll find that ballistics for both cartridges is surprisingly similar.
But 270 WCF shoots faster with less drop and minimal wind drift difference.
I don't know any 6.5CM shooting 143gr over 2800fps, but my 270WCF shoots 145gr @ 2960fps.
The only reason its somewhat close is because the 270 is running with a 1:10 twist restrictor plate allowing the Creed to catch up and pass at extended ranges with high BC bullets. Within 400 yards the 270 smokes it.
Here’s one. The.325 WSM. Recoils about an 06. I consider that manageable. If you hit the boiler area it’ll drop right there.
The 22 long rifle has been a my only choice for ranges past 700 yards for ranges past 1000 yards my go to gun is the 12 gadget slug
That's good. I've only been able to take game with the 22LR out to 550 yards and the 12 ga. slug out to 800 yards.
Step up to the 22 mag and you can really just move that 700 yards to about 1400.
I only use my bow at those distances. Over 1000yrds I just use a football.
I changed over to the 7prc this year and love it!
I use a .300 weatherby
Best elk cartridge hands down!!
35 whelen for me . 225 grain acubonds
I own 2 BIG GAME rifles.
* Remington 1903 30-06.
* Browning X-Bolt Stalker Long Range 30-06.
7mm08 BARNES 145gr LRX EVEN AT 1600 FPS OR 7MM-08 150 GRAIN NOSLER ACCUBOND LONG RANGE OR .35 REMINGTON 230 grain HCFNGC at 1800 fps
28Nosler with 190gn ATips work fine on elk and Red Deer (which are mini Elk) The Berger 195gn EOL's work great too.
I’ve had better luck with the 180 Berger Hybrids.
@@vancedean9699 I don't rely on luck! 😀
@@JimWooddell my rifles is well below .5 MOA tested out to 1100 yards. I’ve used the Hybrids on a number of animals and asked several elk guides to give their opinions and most recommend the hybrids over ELDX and EOL Elite Hunters. As long as the meplat isn’t damaged they outperform regular Berger hunting bullets. The velocity has to be around 1600 fps for either to perform as designed. None of that is luck. I practice alot and test rifles and ballistics almost daily. Maybe I should have said I’ve had better results with the 180 hybrids.
@@vancedean9699 I am just giving you a hard time! ;)
I use a Browning a bolt in 325wsm. Have used 270s, 35 Whelen, 300 ultra mag. Have killed elk with all of them. The 35 is an excellent up close timber gun out to 300 yards. Didn't like the ultra, just wasn't for me. But love the wsm for elk. The combination of energy, speed, and heavy bullets is a deadly combination. Shoot 200 grain accubonds or 200 grain woodleigh weld cores. But like Randy, shoot the gun you shoot accurately and consistently.
You don't know what you're talking about you old geezer! 6.5 Creedmoor is the elk slayer!!! 😂
Remington action cannot handle hot ultra mag Loads a friend of mine who I hunted with in Colorado quit shooting his because of jamming hunting rimrock on the Continental divide he is an exceptional Marksman he now has a 338 378 weatherby that has taking a half a dozen elk with one shot out to 600 the gun shoots half inch Elmer Keith designed the cartridge necking down the 378
Since 1974 our family has used the .300 win mag with a Sierra #2165 200 grain SPBT driven by 67.5 grains of IMR 4350. Great round. ❤️🇺🇸
I've never had a problem taking Elk with my 270.
Yep, follow the old school #’s too!
My favorite for elk is the 338 win mag using a 250gr nosler partition. Great video.
That’s a great round. It's accounted for a ton of elk, thousands of tons most likely.
Randy, I’m struggling to wrap my head around your comment regarding the 7mm-08 penetration at odd angles.
Seems to me that the 7s provide better SD and better ballistics than the 30s. Frontal area matters but it also can reduce penetration after expansion.
When we get into the mono’s the penetration game changes. Downsizing is often best practice and penetration is still off the charts.
Please tell me why you think the 7mm-08 struggles with odd angles on elk?
270 win 140 gr
Mine is a toss up between 30-06 and .300 Savage
264 Winchester magnum.
I’m using a 6.5-300 Weatherby for everything now
@@Cool-hand-hunting so you are changing out barrels every year? Lol. By the time you find a load practise and shoot 3-4 animals in a year your barrel is done. LOL.
460 grain no excuses 50 Cal over 85 grains of real Black powder, or 35 Whelen with Buffalo bore 225 grain
7.5x54 with 178gr. ELD-X
I've got 2 mulies and and elk with a French Mas 36 loaded to .308 specs.
I’ve never heard of a Mas 36 being sporterized! Very cool!
@@scrappydog175 The only modifications are a Huber trigger and scope. It's still wearing its military stock.
Edit; sorry it's got a muzzle brake too.
Wow, you must’ve got one with a good barrel, I always liked that round and those guns are just neat.
Great video! I have taken several elk with 270 win. It's hard to fix something that isn't broke.
Glad you mentioned SD, lot's of people get hung up on having a high BC bullet, without a decent SD, you will get zero penetration, without that the game is wounded and walks away. I use a 270 wsm with 140gr accubond, they do the job very well, I would like to get a 7 PRC down the road, the 284 bullet is the best of all worlds.
Favorite model 99 308 never lost the game and even better with 30 06
I tend to grab my 6.5 PRC for everything including elk. I also have a 300 prc tho.
I'm fervently hoping that the specific hunting cartridge I've selected for my .30-06 Sprg will prove up and serve as an all-around big game cartridge from mule deer to whitetail, to elk and moose. That is a 168-grain, Federal Premium Berger Hybrid Hunter. It shoots relatively well from my Tikka T3x rifle (certainly to sub-MOA accuracy bench-rested) and I also have my Leupold CDS turret customized to that cartridge. I haven't yet been lucky enough to take a shot on a big game animal as yet as last Fall was my first season. I realize shot placement will always be key, of course.
Sounds like a good combination.
I'm surprised there are no newer PRC calibers. I am practicing with Howa 6.5 PRC 156 Berger in Hogue Carbon (for the Elk I missed last year) and a Bergara Ridge in 300 PRC (245gr Berger) for oryx in New Mexico. Last year I took an elk with a Mossberg MVP in .308 with 168gr at 200 yards. Thanks for the great videos. At 72 years old, every year is my last year, but New Mexico has twice made me successful with the draws.
20 years ago my first choice would have been my win. M70 in 300wsm. Now days it just kicks too hard. I would have to take my mod. 70 in 270. 7/08 would be next followed by my coues rifle in 6.5 creedmoor.
I think this subject has been covered... literally weekly on You Tube. Any cartridge with a good bullet works.
Taking my son hunting for first time this fall. The cartridge that he is most accurate with is what I recommended. Taking the 243 for whitetail. I think you have the best answer.
100% agree, Randy. I personally chose a Remington 700 BDL (comfortable fit for me) in a 7mm Rem Mag simply because the recoil is manageable, its versatility in regard to bullet weight and its flat trajectory. I have killed every elk I have shot at, just as you said about the .30 caliber rounds. I can load a light bullet for smaller game such as whitetail deer, and go heavy for the thick-skinned varmints, like elk and honestly, I don't change my scope settings much while moving from one weight to another. At least within the distance I have decided to limit myself to which is 250-300 yds. I can shoot further for sure, but I have zero interest in wounding an animal just because of wind or elevation misjudgment etc. I'd rather go home empty handed.
I enjoy experimenting with different bullets, but I have found that the Speer Trophy Bonded Bear Claw has phenomenal potential and they have performed very well for me .... although they are no longer available without purchasing them already loaded (last I checked). So, I went to Barnes X-bullets, which have done well for me, but I am not as happy with consistent range accuracy..... they are not so bad I don't have confidence in them, it is just that I struggle achieving repeatable results regardless of practice. I may not have found the best powder match yet, but that is another topic. I have confirmed that the bullet is in fact lethal, I have no complaints aside from the minimal accuracy deviations. I enjoy the discussion, thank you. Hope to see you in the field someday soon, sir. Edit: Oh, you might be glad to know that I use Leupold scopes on all but one of my scoped firearms..... love them.
I've heard of people using a 25-06 for elk I have one but never used it for elk hunting
Everything I pointed my 25/06 at died!
6.5 creedmoor, 156 grain berger..308 165 grain Accubond. I have used both but do prefer the 308 ,165gn.
Actually with cooper bullets since copper isn't as dense as lead in order to have bullets that are the same weight the copper needs to be longer which can make them hard to stabilize in some rifles. That is one of the reasons why in some calibers you will notice that a brand will have a different weight for their cup and core or bonded bullets and their copper equivalent. This also helps to increase velocity without excessively increasing chamber pressure. Years ago when I first learned about the Barnes X bullet as it was called then I contacted them about what would be best to load in my .243 and my 7mm Rem Mag and they suggested that for the .243 I drop from the 100 grain bullets that I was shooting down to 80 grains and from 175 grains down to 150 grains in the 7mm Rem Mag since that would give me the velocity needed for the bullets to function properly without having too much pressure. Now these years later the heaviest bullet that they load in their TTSX for the .243 is 80 grains and 160 grains for the 7mm Rem Mag. As someone who had used Nosler Partitions for years on Elk in Oregon nothing penetrates like a copper bullet. I am also 100% on board with the 400 yard and in being normal hunting distances. The farthest shot that I've ever seen successfully made was by my father in a monster Roosevelt Elk bull @ 538 yards with a perfect rest and only a slight head on wind. It took three 225 grain Nosler Partitions from a .338 Win Mag to the shoulder before it went down. It didn't even flinch at the first two and went down at the third. Had it not been a once in a lifetime bull my dad would've never taken that shot.
Never did like the FPE equation. But I realize it actually,
Bullet Diameter (times) Weight (times) velocity (times) BC (depending on distance) (Divided )
by 7000
I do find that the higher the BC lessons the knockdown power in general.
Take the old Remington Bronze Point, the expansion is erratic as it gets
300 model 70 Winchester
A 200 gr. Remington Core-Lokt in .35 Whelen (fired from a Remington 7600 pump rifle) from "normal" ranges. Also, a 180 gr. Barnes VOR-TX and a 200 gr. Winchester PowerPoint and a 250 gr. Remington Core-Lokt--all in .35 Whelen.
I have a Remington 700 in 7mm RemMag and Weatherby Vanguard in 300 WBY. I prefer the 300 WBY for western elk hunting.
I really like this video.👍👍
Energy, shot placement, bullet construction, personal skills.
Are key factors.
My personal set up is the 7mm Remington mag. With the 160 Swift Aframe.
Bullet type and shot placement are more important than caliber choice.
True.
👍🏻
My Dad had probably taken more deer & elk with the 22LR ear shots than anything else.
@@donwyoming1936 22 mag for me!
Another thing to keep in mind is ammo availability. When I bough my 300 win mag I looked at the grain bullets I could get plus how easy it was to find ammo. If I would say choose a 257 Robert’s which many still use for elk hunting and moose hunting in sone circles finding ammo is a bit harder. The best elk cartridge is the one you are able to handle and shoot. I went with a 300 win mag for my elk hunt this fall but it’s going to pull double duty as my bear gun and my deer rifle when I’m shooting from mountain side to mountain side.
Barnes TTSX. 7mm or 300
I ve got this!!! The one you like to put the meat you eat on your plate and if no one else understands how or why makes it even more fun without ballistics and science that the pioneers didn’t need either
Very wise comments. Really enjoyed your video.Thanks for sharing!
I've hunted Elk and muleys for decades. I started with a 308. Worked great out to 200idh yds. Then in 1986 I went to a 300 win mag. I'll never look back. Then I went to a bonded bullet soon after. The Swift Sirocco 180 grn. out to 400 plus yds. Kills like lightning! I live in Colorado and hunt large elk and mule deer. I concur that bullet and bullet placement are the 2 key factors bar none! Thanks and good hunting!! BTW. I have a fist full of recovered Siroccos from very dead elk. The Accubond (my son uses these) is also a great bullet in the LR, but has a thinner jacket.
Practice is everything kids ! - become “ one with your gun” , your confidence is everything !
Agree
💯 percent true know your Rifle 🤷🏼♂️
I’ve only been able to go elk hunting 2 times in my life. First time was 4th rifle season in Colorado. I shot my first elk on the second day with a.338 win mag @ 215 yards. Second time was with archery equipment. Long story but due to some confusion the drop camp outfit we used forgot to tell my hunting party that we should have entered the draw for tags…. We thought they were over the counter. So much money wasted and traveling for some distance we tried to make the best of it. Well, that being said. I started load development with 200 gr nosler acutips. Couldn’t find enough to practice and do load development. Went to the 225 gr nosler…. Much more manageable recoil. Not harsh at all. Just trying to explain that light bullets in a big cartridge can be sharp and hurt. I found that a little more weight helps very much. Thanks for the video.
6.5x55 for me. Maybe .264 Win Mag depending.
I personally use a .270 for all my hunting! What do you guys think of a .270??
Keep it nothing wrong with it especially with ethical hunting range bc doesn’t matter until past 400
A 270 is a great hunting cartridge. What @stanleysanders9099 said is spot on.
Got my first elk with my 270 win at 300 yards no problem 👍🏼
.270 is a fine cartridge.
Works great on whitetails! Effective, flat shooting round!
some of the newer reloads for the 6.5 PRC with a decent length barrel to get velocities while also running the newer 156 grain bergers could really surprise the 30 calibre and 338 users. maybe not change their minds and if they can handle the recoil good luck to them.
tiene toda la razón, uso 270 en Argentina y 25/06 en los EE. UU. ya que no hay propinas en mi país. Si pudiera usar un 30/06, lo haría, pero me molesta el retroceso, así que me quedaré con mi 270
Good old tried and true aught six but I do have a 6.5 creed that's a hard hitter for it's size
I really like the 300 Win. , but also love the 7mm RUM , so incredibly accurate.
I couldn't agree more. I just put together a new big game rifle so I can retire my family heirloom Weatherby .270 mag mk 5 made in Germany that my mom bought my dad for their 1st wedding anniversary in 1962. I decided to retire it and keep it in the safe for 3 big reasons: 1 real monetary value, 2 sentimental value, 3 cost and availability of ammo. I chose a Weatherby Vanguard in 30-06. Why its a reasonable priced rifle, I can buy ammo anywhere Walmart, ace hardware etc. and it is affordable. I can shoot light grain 110 with 3500 fps for deer and all the way up to 220 grain at about 2500 fps versatility is there. I still think its hard to beat the 30-06. I bought 3 boxes or 165 grain ammo from Remington, Federal, and Winchester so see what shoots best. Still have to get it to the range.
You picked a great rifle, I have two of them and I believe they are one of the best out there for the money. And you picked the all time greatest cartridge also!
The 270 weatherby is probably about 10 inches lower at 400 yards than the 06 270 weatherby was a laser beam in 62 much flatter than the Winchester and harder hitting good luck with the 06 but it's no weather be
Amigo, déjame darte un consejo, disfruta de lo que tienes. Uno se muere sin disfrutarlo.se le dije a mi padre antes de que muriera, no disfruto de una maldita cosa
9.3x62 with 285 gr nosler partitions
Little late forvanswe4. 300 weatherby mag for elk. 6.5 prc for deer. 45-70 for bear.
I’ve taken elk with my 257 Weatherby, 264 win, 300 wsm and 338 win mag.
7 mag for elk and 7-08 for deer and smaller! 💪🇺🇸🦅💯!!! America!!!
Personally in my opinion if I could only have one rifle for everything I'd go with my .270, however on big game like elk or moose and I have an option it'll be 30 cal every time
Randy... loved your article in the lastest Bugle magazine!!!
with respect to rifle cartridges (event though I'm an archery hunter), I am a 30-06 guy (mostly for availability).
almost all my rifles are 30-06 (or .223 😛). sorry, retired Marine here. i stick to the classics.
To me, 300 or 400 yards are not that short hunting distances . To me, I will consider 250 , 250 " and under , a short distance." ♥️ Your podcasts and videos . Thank you so much for being an advocate for wildlife . Cheers !
Yep I watched that one! I watch him almost as much as I watch you. Not the problem in this case. Thank you for your help and insight though! It's very good to talk with you! I am an old Vietnam vet just trying to get myself up the mountain😊 wouldn't mind going up the mountain with you sometime! 😁
I haven't drawn a tag yet but i plan on taking a 7mm rem mag. Likely with 162 eldx.
Keep the shots behind the shoulder with those bullets I've had them blow up on black bear shoulders but the behind the shoulder shot the animals drop like rocks
Limited experience with the eldx, but my opinion is that they are junk. They might, just might, work at 600 yards, but at 0 to 200 yards they are garbage.
My whole camp shoots 300 wm and 300 rum. I have used both but am looking at the 7mm prc as I love my 7mm cartridges
I'm a 7 guy too, but after researching the 7prc, I'm going to look elsewhere for my next cartridge. It's baffling, but the performance just isn't where I would want it.
I was also seriously considering using the the 7PRC. I have seen test where Hornady has now switched powders and the 7 PRC is not what Hornady originally reported. I also shoot 300 PRC and I shoot the 7rem mag. I will stick with the 7mm rem mag Federal TA 155 grains and the longer shots in open country I use the 300 PRC.
Another biased 30 cal recommendation. 7mag shoots a 150 around 3100fps, 270win shoots a 150 around 2950fps, and a 308win shoots a 150 around 2750fps; partitions are available for all three. Monolithic bullets need velocity, and the 308win has the least - case is just smaller. Will a 308win work with a 150 partition - sure, although a 7mag or 270win will give you greater penetration and range. And a 308win shooting a 150 mono has minimal expansion at 400yds (impact velocity below 2,000fps). Not saying a 308win is bad or it won’t work, but I am not sure how you can recommend it over a 7mag or 270win.
I personally wouldn't go for a monolithic bullet in a 308 Win, just not quite enough beans, unless its like a 130 grain, which is too light in my opinion. My 308 will shoot a 165 Bonded poly tip bullet at 2775 and a 150 bonded at 2875 (confirmed with chrono). A 308 will actually with the same barrel length (22" in most hunting rifles) match the 270 velocity with the same bullet weight. Check it with a chrono, most handload books and most factory ammo biases the published numbers off of longer barrels than most hunting rifles like a 270 use. My son took his first elk last fall with a 165gr from a 308 at 500 yards. Thats the limit of that cartridge for me, but it sure did the trick, Im not into long range, and do draw the line at 400 or 500 depending on the scenario, we just couldn't get closer in open terrain and I knew he could make the shot. But I wouldn't have trusted a copper bullet from a 308 at all. I don't believe there is any real world difference on lethality between a 308 and 270. The 270 is only flatter if its using a lighter bullet. They are energy delivered twins. The 7 mag is a step up from both for sure.
180 grain 30-06. Cheers
I know it's not for everyone but I really like my 300 rum I got a break on it and it tamed it down a lot and I've taken a lot of deferent game animals never had to shoot more than once at any of them
thank you one more time for the transparency, experience and authenticity! if I had to pick one caliber, it would've been 308. kind of the same as 30-06 but in short action. also its not as destructive as other rounds for the smaller game (deer). I also love the 7mm-08, and 270win but for the smaller game. 🙂 I hope one day I get to go hunting with you! 🙂
300 win mag has just been so impressive to me that would be my choice.
Randy is so cool. What a great guy.
My Elk cartridge’s are 308 Win & 300 PRC😊
You are spot on with the 30 caliber.but its hard to beat the .280 ai with a nosler accubond.
Randy I've been watching your fresh tracks videos for years. I take some of your recommendations on a regular basis. You touted the Howa super light. Yours was in 7 mm 08 that sounded like a good caliber to me so I got one. It's a really good looking rifle and it would be really nice to carry up the mountain. It shoots a 1-inch group and then a 6-inch group, it's all over the place.Talked to the people at legacy sports international. They gave me several suggestions all of which I tried, nothing worked. They told me to send it in, which I did. I started watching some other reviews and reading some reviews. There's a bunch of people having trouble with accuracy of this particular firearm. As far as I could see all linked to the poor design of the stock. I sent that rifle to them on January 16th of this year and have had no response from them since! Does not inspired great confidence! Wondered if you'd heard anything about the problem or have any suggestions of what I might do? Still love your videos by the way!
Dang. Sorry to hear that. I have four of them. They all shoot great. Are you shooting with the rail, or not? I've had three guys report problems and when checked, the rail was loose.
Check out Ron Spomer's TH-cam videos on the Superlight. He has had great luck with them.
Tell Chad I sent you - cpeters@legacysports.com. He's a great help.
Ron Spomer has a video talking about accuracy issues if you use lead and then switch to all copper bullets, not sure if that applies to your situation or not, but if it does he provides a solution to that issue.
Trade it in and get a Tikka. Same caliber. Call it a day
Well said Randy!
338 sherman short mag is my new elk rifle. I've used 338 norma and 6.5 prc on elk previously.
170- 190 gr flat nose 30-30. 150 yards and in.
325 wsm, 7mm-08, 7mm prc, depending on where im hunting.
My pick is the 270 win. Next 300wsm