Smith & Wesson FPC vs. Kel-Tec Sub 2000 9mm Carbine Shootout - Which One Would I Choose?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 มี.ค. 2023
- The S&W FPC and Kel-Tec Sub 2000 are both great carbines, but is one better than the other? My son and I shoot the S&W and the Kel-Tec carbines side-by-side to see which one we would choose between the two.
Well in NY it is banned as it is in other states unless the arbitrary assault weapon bans are repealed. This is the type of DefenderCarbine that could be kept locked in a teacher, principal or school safety officer, rapidly deployed and save lives. Spare mags on stock and one in the gun, should stop a maniac in their evil tracks. S&W should launch a campaign offering training and school discounts
Not banned in MA.
Knowing how irrational, unhinged and alcoholic teachers are....they are the reason we have homicidal students.
You sure about that? I bought a 9mm “other” in NY. Basically a small AR , shot it today at the range.
@@lens7859 IM FROM NY I DON'T THINK ITS ILLEGAL THEIR TUFF ON PISTOL,S BUT RIFLE ARE USUALLY GOOD TO GO UNLESS YouR TALKING ABOUT HUNTING
I 100% agree with you along with metal detectors and security guards. The teachers need to be able to concentrate on teaching and keeping the kids safe while the guards do their job.
Great video! Before my Dad passed away we would reload center fire rifle loads. Then Dad me and my uncle would go out shooting. We all had bolt action rifles, but we could keep a tin can bouncing. Anyway you two are great. Sure wish Dad was still around. Cherish these days as I know you do. Thanks for reminding me how much I loved my Dad. Now I've got my son, grandson and daughter that I have passed this too. Thanks for the memories Sir
RIP
Thanks guys for the replies. We all know the feeling. I do appreciate it!
Dang it man!! Made me tear up bro! I miss my dad too 😢
@@MemphisMojo15s Thank you sir. It's nice to get replies back like this. Thank you so much. Never gone and never forgotten
I have a Keltec. I consider it my bug out rifle because it fits in my pack. When I first got it, I didn't like how it hurt my shoulder, but after a few upgrades from MCarbo, it has a much lighter recoil and shoots great. The big advantage of the Keltec is its ability to use Glock mags. If you own a Glock, it makes sense to own the Keltec!
How much did you spend on all those upgrades compared to just getting an AR pistol in 9mm that takes glock mags?
@@genericyoutubeuser8957 I did the same. About $40.
Only if it's in 40. Cal
I never minded how hard it kicks, but it is the only gun that has bruised up my entire shoulder lol.
R u kidding about the recoil? You got to be,right?
I've had a Sub2000 for several years and am consistently accurate with it out to 200 yards on a 2/3rd silhouette and open sights. However, I don't have an FPC, yet. Love seeing you guys out there making memories together!
200 yards, eh?
@@pcpolice7937 Yup! It's a carbine and will do more than most realize.
@@pcpolice7937 It's quite easy with the Sub2k. I was surprised as well :)
@@pcpolice7937 Do a search for how deadly is 9mm. They start with a CZ pistol and as they move further away switch to a Kel Tec. It is amazing how accurate that carbine is straight out of the box.
@@pcpolice7937 200 easy. I never zeroed my 2k right out of the box iron sites I was ringing steel consistently just shy of 300 with witnesses and some now own sub 2ks🤣
I just bought a Kek-Tec with the rebate and I think you can't go wrong with the value.
I love these videos because they remind me of the time my Dad and I went shooting together. On the range in the military base my Dad worked, we'd spend whole days shooting everything, from 22 rifles to M1 Garlands, M14s, M16s, and M1911a1s. We would also talk about life in general and connect like fathers and sons should. I miss those old days. Thanks for allowing me to remember.
I like the slimmer profile of keltec for sliding in a pack. I don't use optics.
Love seeing father and son working and playing together. Thanks so much for all your videos. Have a great day
Thank you Kenneth. We had fun making this video together and we thank you for taking the time to watch and comment on it.
I bought both. The m&p is great, but I nabbed a heavy charging grip and recoil o-ring for the sub 2000 from mcarbo and the thing no joke has zero recoil. I wish I was joking. The sub 2000 with the mcarbo kit installed becomes one of the most badass firearms i own and its like $700 all in with all the mcarbo crap. Just some food for thought.
That S&W FPC is on my wish list. Thanks gentlemen for a fun day of shooting!
You guys are a crack up! A beautiful day, good company and guns. Nothing better than that! Thanks-Dean
You are very welcome Dean and thank you for taking the time to leave just a great comment. Have a fun and safety weekend. 👍😎 👍😎
I enjoy watching you guys shoot and do the gun reviews without bias. You are both excellent shots no matter what is in your hands.....Love the friendly competition between Dad and son. God bless! 🤠🤠🤠
I bought the S&W FPC because the Kel tec has plastic internals in the trigger mechanism. Also it’s nice not to have to take off your optics just to fold the gun 👍🏾👍🏾
I bought one as well , very accurate literally had 3 shots that a quarter would easily cover in the bullseye , but I did also notice the lip bump from the charging handle when freshly loaded and just thought it was my size and tried to adjust my cheek weld , but it did it again on each mag !
Well, the Kel-Tec trigger itself is plastic, but all the other parts are metal. Sear, Hammer, trigger bar, springs, all metal.
I have my RDS on a 45 degree mount, and don't have to take it off to fold.
Much cheaper than buying a M*Carbo or Midwest mount, and more solid as well.
@@sandogtjsandog4366 sounds like you have a nice set up👍🏽
@@sandogtjsandog4366 the m carbo mount is very solid. Cost a little money but this isn't a cheap hobby
"it’s nice not to have to take off your optics just to fold the gun" -- I think that's the major reason. Also, in the video here, S&W shoots better, which is another good reason.
Jeez, I wish that I had a couple of cool dudes like you two to go to the range with. It always looks like you two have a great time shooting out there, and being Father & Son is a bonus. A Father that ends up being a friend & buddy to his child after the child reaches adulthood is evidence that the Father did a “good job” raising that child. (Good job, Dad!!) It’s always a pleasure taking in a Mixup (& Son) day at the range video, so thanks again guys. - Jason/Freedom Fighter Until Death/Vermont, DSA (‘DSA’, unfortunately meaning “The Divided States Of America”)
When it comes to family I am truly the luckiest man alive. Thank you for the awesome comment my friend.
You guys have too much fun! Thanks for the comparison!
It's nice to see you and your son out shooting and having fun. I have to admit the Spaceman Spiff type of guns don't really appeal to me that much, but I'm a firm believer in different strokes for different folks.
Thanks for bringing both out together.
One big advantage of the Kel-Tec is the ability to use many different kinds of pistol mags.
That side fold design is certainly better for red dot sights.
Great video, reminds me of my father. Love the interaction between father and son. Miss my dad!
Thanks! Great seeing pops and son shooting together. As a many year subbing owner, I will point out at half the price, I am happy with my choice.
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Both great options. Great video as usual, love seeing you two go shooting
I KNEW this was coming from my fav TH-camr. Hell yeah. Excellent review and comparison as ALWAYS Sir!
The review/comparison I’ve been waiting for, thank you!
You're very welcome Dave !!
Love the energy of your father/son dynamic! Great video!
You guys are awesome, having fun together. Great content.
Great video, I can't imagine liking anything better than my Kel-Tec Sub 2000, it's probably my favorite firearm overall. However I love Smith and Wesson firearms and have no doubt this carbine they have offered is amazing. I run my Sub 2000 with my Glock though and the mags interchange. That's really a nice option.
Good choice for comparing. Solid analysis. Thanks for doing it.
Excellent review. Good work, gentlemen.
Thank you kindly!
Great video, makes me miss my son that is overseas even more. You are lucky to have each other.
Yes we are, Tony. Sorry to hear that you are missing your son. I am truly a lucky man.
I was looking for a side by side comparison of these two, thanks for sharing. Texas hat tip to you and your son.
Awesome! Thank you and a tip of the hat to you too.
Another great video!
I'd be proud of either. Thanks so much for this side by side video. Thumbs up 👍🏻 ~John
Both are interesting approaches to the folding PCC idea and both have their strengths and weaknesses. I'm a S&W guy so I'd probably go for the FPC but the Sub2k can clean up nicely with some aftermarket parts. Nice to see you guys having a nice day shooting out in the desert.
The cost sets these two guns in a different category. You can buy 2 Keltec’s for the price of one S&W. I have an M carbo mount which allows you to fold the Keltec without removing the red dot. My Keltec uses Glock mags which are really inexpensive. I use a 33 round magazine with mine. The Keltec is lightweight compared to the S&W. There’s also a lot of mods already available for the Keltec. I say right now there no real advantage for buying the S&W unless spending more money is your goal. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
But the Mcarbo mount goes for $150 and so this in itself will equal out the cost differential right there in itself. It seems that if you're going for the dollar proposition and long as you don't want to use a red dot then that is a good option. But if you're a red dot must-have then I'd do the FPC as it's engineered for that right upfront and one less part to worry about in the long run.
As of 10 minutes ago you can purchase a new sub 2000 for as low as 299 and it comes with iron sights. The Smith & Wesson goes for as low as 575 and doesn’t ship with sights. The cost of sights worth putting on can be as low as 30 bucks for the cheapest set. That’s twice the cost just to be usable. Add the 150 for the sight mount for the sub 2000 and that brings you to 450, still 150 less than the S&W. You can find the Sig Romeo 5 online for 99 dollars that takes the sub 2000 to 550 with sights and adapter. That’s still cheaper than the S&W before you even buy sights for the S&W. The sub 2000 is extremely accurate. That’s 550 vs 700 for gun and red dot. Now let’s talk magazines. My sub takes Glock mags, known for reliability and durability at about 15-20 percent cheaper than the S&W magazines. I have at least 20 Glock mags for my various guns that use Glock mags. So where’s the advantage for purchasing the S&W.
@@aaaaa1957 so if you owned a bunch of S&W magazines....
I have the kel tec in .40, and absolutely love it! Very accurate and never had any misfires with almost 1000 rounds through it so far. Mine takes glock 22/23 mags, I have a few 33 rounders and will be getting a 50 rnd drum soon
Great video. You have a knack of picking reviews of firearms that really interest me!
God bless all here.
I really like your videos, especially because of the relationship you two have. I wish I would've had that kind of relationship with my dad.
I have three sub2000s. One under seat in each of my trucks, and the other one for travel. 6 -30 round magazine’s give you plenty of firepower if you ever breakdown etc. I’ve never had a ftf or problems with mine. One is a 9mm, other two are .40s. Simple to breakdown and u fold fast. I’d like to try the SW and see how it feels though
I'm sure the Smith is a decent "gun"...but isn't even close to the Kel Tec's nifty-ness and small footprint. Kel Tec for the win here hands down!
Really enjoy your videos. Thanks for making them. I have a Ruger PC Carbine with the Bushnell Dot you recommended. Hoping to get to shoot outdoors this summer.
You have a great combo with the Ruger and Bushnell. I'm hoping to compare my PC Carbine with the S&W in the near future. Should be lots of fun.
i think its really cool you bring your son out to shoot with you, keep up the great vids man.
Excellent video..!
Thanks for all your efforts..
Kel-Tec Sub2000 in .40 is fantastic imo...full upgrades w/ MCarbo take this to a whole new level. That S&W FPC looks very nice and is fairly priced. The folding feature is very innovative.
I just got one with the rebate! Not a lot of ppl give love to the 40
Satan's caliber!
I have the Sub 2K in 9mm, I also have mine completely modified with M-Carbo upgrades, the reason I chose 9mm is because my handguns are all 9mm, I use the same ammo for every weapon I own.
I think too much is made of the caliber thing, I know many people who were hit with 22 caliber ammo and passed away, I don’t think caliber is much of an issue like so many make it out to be.
Great video. Love the Son Father videos.
Great video guys!
It's crazy how every time I'm inquisitive about a gun, mixup always has a recent video on it. Great stuff.
Funny how that works. I have had a lot of viewers say the same thing about a gun that they were thinking about. 👍😎
Thanks guys, reminds me of the times I spent with my dad, who I also called pops. Great times and fond memories....Anyway,, I just wanted to say I too am partial to the kel-tech over the Smith and Wesson and its for the exact same reasons you mentioned. The glock magazines are a game changer, (in my opinion, that is.) Especially, the 30 rounders! Having a pcc (pistol caliber carbine) that shares the same ammo as your EDC pistol is a win win...
I have had the Kel-Tec Sub 2K in 40 S&W for many years. I got it second hand. Had some issues with it and Kel-Tec fixed it for free - twice. Probably my hand loads. It likes the 180 gr 40 cal bullets best. It is a blow back operated, has a heavy bolt/buffer weight that makes the recoil impulse substantial because of the weight. Not sharp or uncomfortable but it moves a bit. I got the Red Lion fore end/handguard that can rotate so you can keep a red dot sight mounted on it without removing it. Shoots very well. and you do need to watch out for the reciprocating bolt handle. Sub2Ks can be ordered with several different magazine capable designs. I have Glock magazines. Normal size is 15 rnd, I also have 20 rnd. Thanks for presenting.
Thanks again for another informative video. I love your content!
I ALWAYS love your videos, and good ole shooting!
Awesome....thank you very much!!!
Nice practical test. Thanks for it.
Love you guys! Nice shooting as always.
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Cool video and comparison 😎 I definitely like the platform of both of these. Compatability has played a role in many of my firearm choices. (I love my Beretta combo)... 😉 👍
Awesome father and son video, really nice work. Oh yeah, nice guns!
Great beginning, I have the kel-tec, always fun. Like your sons hat, thanks
Great video guys
Thanks....much appreciated!
Rapid action Dual fire terminator special !!!! So many rounds in such blink of an eye !!!! Love this video 👏👍
Awesome....thank you Alan !! Have a great weekend.
looks much nicer than my sub 2000 but my sub takes glock mags so im not too upset
thank you for sharing , great tech!
love these videos
As always, great video! ✌️
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THANKS for the review, Mixup98. I am going to buy one of the M+P FPCs in a few days. I think it would be a great camping rifle.
You guys are great. I am a S&W fan and a KelTec fan. I spent today shooting the S&W 686+ with my son, just to get in some revolver time. After watching your video I wished I would have brought along the Sub2000, lol. I love that little carbine and I have a ton of Glock magazines. The Sub2000 has been extremely reliable and accurate and it's extremely lightweight and compact. I have never had a problem with it and it's compatible with Glock, Beretta, CZ75B, Smith & Wesson and SIG Sauer magazines. MCarbo makes an optic mount that allows you to keep an optic mounted to the Sub2000 and still fold it, although the mount moves to accomplish that. I have the MCarbo optic mount and it does hold zero, if it didn't I would say so. BTW, right now you can get a KelTec for less than $350 with rebate and MCarbo gives military and LEO discounts if you wanted the optic mount. Price is something that wasn't discussed in the video but the S&W does cost more than the KelTec and for some people that is a big factor. The FPC looks great, I can't wait to get an opportunity to test one out. Nice shooting as always guys. 🤠👍
*watches you "beat eat other up."* Hah! You two are so silly and fun! Never change! And thanks for great review!
The Beretta Cx4 remains my favorite but thanks to both of you, I have two new perspectives on two more 9mm carbines. I appreciate you both! 8D
As I mentioned in one of your other videos, I was ready to buy the Kel-Tek when the S&W came out so I decided to wait a bit. After seeing this video, I've decided to go with the S&W. Since I don't have any Glock magazines and that was your only real critical point against the S&W, that's not really an issue for me. I've shot the Kel-Tek, but the extra mags, mag storage and carry case that the S&W offers put it over the top. Also, the foldability with an optic attached is a plus. Thanks to you both for doing the homework for me.
I was just like you. Went with the S&W. Just picked it up, haven't shot it yet. Can't wait . It's a nice gun
I bought the Keltec MCarbo edition and love it. I got a stock pad from Amazon and it made a world of difference. It is also my bug out gun.
Right on Guys!! I'd go for the S&W as well. Great fun watching
Looking forward to this one! 👍😎
Thank you for the review.
It's nice to see Ed out shooting with Pops. I was a little surprised by the recoil, but that's probably the design. The SW looks heftier, the KT a little minimalist. I'm going to check Ballistics By The Inch to see how much FPS the 16" barrel adds (in general).
I have a 2000 in 40 S&W. The 16” barrel adds 200 fps to just about any factory 180 grain I’ve tested… that’s 10mm performance. And it’s stupid accurate at 50 yards with the factory optic. 4” sporting clays are a pop at will challenge once you become familiar with the sight. I keep it as a truck/bugout gun. Perfect home defense. Love mine!
I like the KelTec for it's simple Volksturmgewehr TEOTWAWKI vibe. The S&W is definitely more refined and the added benefits of a better mount system for optics and non-reciprocating charging handle. If mag availability is not a problem, then the best is the Beretta CX4
GREAT VIDEO ! Thanks! I’ve got a Kel-Tec Gen.2 and really like it. I like the feel and handling of the Kel-Tec, but don’t have the Smith. I personally like the look better also, but of course that’s personal choice. The Kel comes with a sight which is really nice.
I think you two have way too much fun making these videos!
Good morning Mk. My son and I really had a lot of fun making this video and we are glad that you enjoyed it. Stay safe, thanks for watching and have a great weekend.
I have the FPC & love it with the exception of how they have the mags set up & the release
I agree. Hopefully that gets improved in future models. I would like a full sized grip personally. Very nice gun otherwise
First off, Thank You for the video! Secondly, amazing shooting!
Much appreciated......thank you! 👍😎😎👍
Just bought one. Shoots as advertised. Great buy . Sig green dot on it. Keeper
Thanx for the review sootch !
$100 rebate on the Kel-Tec right now. Spring 2023. That makes it around $350 to $400 ALL IN and perhaps $300 cheaper than the S&W. Add generic Glock 17 & 33 round mags for $10 to $20 a piece and you've got a really affordable package.
Excellent point. I missed out on the $100 rebate by just a few weeks.
@@mixup98 - Yeah, me too. By 3 weeks, lol..
Nice review guys 🇺🇸
Thanks 👍
My experience with my Sub-2000 has been great. My first shot at 50 yards using iron sights was only 1" off the bullseye! I've loved it ever since.
Great video....thx guys.
I think I'd take the Kel-tec in that it already has sites and uses glock mags which are as available as they are affordable. Great vid comparing the two.
Great video
Great video. Anecdotally I have a long beard and have never had it hang up in my sub2k but can appreciate the concerned. Talk about an exciting surprise!
Thanks for the feedback regarding the sub2k and your beard, Jason. I'm sure some of my viewers will be relieved 👍😎
Our Sub 2000 is straight up one of the most fun guns we have to shoot. However, there are some features that I'm liking about this Smith& Wesson and I'm going to give it a close look.
Great video, thank you
You are welcome!
Superb team shooting. Never shot either, but watching your video, the Smith edges out the Kel Tec. Selling point for me is the included 3 mags. Love my Kel Tec P17 and CMR30. Like my Smith Bodyguard M&P Shield w/laser too. All the best! "The JJ" SW Penna.
Enjoyed the head-to-head comparison, and also the fact that this is a father and son having fun together video. 👍👍Like you, Mixup, being able to use Glock magazines is important, so my choice would be the Ruger PC-9 takedown carbine.
Good morning Noah. I will be comparing the S&W to my PC Carbine in the near future, with my son of course, and it should be a fun and entertaining video.
Can't wait to see a comparison against the Ruger PC9. All 3 are good in their own way. Ruger is hefty but love shooting it with the right red dot. Glad you had fun. Thanks & Stay Safe. 👍 🙏 🇺🇸
A comparison video should be posted in the near future !!!
@@mixup98Sounds great. 👍
I've had multiple Sub2Ks, I have one in .40 now. 40 out of a carbine has the energy of 10mm out of a pistol, can't do that with the S&W. The Sub2K is much thinner when folded and can fit under a car seat or in pretty much any briefcase, so it wins hands down in compactness/concealability. I've also kept a red dot on the Sub2K on a QD mount, just moving it to the bottom rail when folded and it holds zero well enough for a PCC. Since the KT has built in sights you don't have to use an optic whereas you do on the S&W.
The S&W is more chunky but looks higher quality and more substantial, and you don't have to move the optic around. Also the ability to hold 2 extra hi cap magazines I REALLY like. KT had an accessory for the 1st gen Sub2K that would hold one extra mag but it's unobtanium now.
If extreme compactness/concealability is not a factor I'd probably go for the S&W, but for me it is so I'm sticking with my Sub2K.
Great video fella’s 💯🍻👍🏻
He naild that rock 3 times, good shootin
Thank you, this helps a lot.
Enjoyed!
was just fixin to get a kel tec
I love how it folds, that will be very handy shooting around corners. :D
Thank you for the video. 🤠
I have a Keltec Sub2000 on 9mm, with the MCarbo accessories.
It is an awesome folding rifle, and I have no complaints or regrets. However, I am considering the S&W folding rifle as well. I just have to save my money if I am going to purchase the S&W.
Good video.
Awesome! Father and Son .. that’s awesome!
I do believe the S&W was more accurate than the Kel-Tec. Your son did better with that white rock at long distance with the Smith. Good choice choosing the S&W. Great video , thanks!
Here we goooo !
Thanks n' God bless brother
Nice rifles awesome shooting especially when you're son shooting at the rock that far off good shooting thanks for sharing