golf on a budget? its wayy to heavy to make it worth buying as a cheap rally car.. maybe 1.8 turbo or a vr6... but those are quite complicated engines and parts can be tricky, you want your car to be reliable, you need to be able to find part anywhere... for fwd group I would choose civic or any small light car with small engine, because cheap, aftermarket, easy to work aswell, and you want to able to work on your car, rwd probably a bmw 3 series, also really cheap, engines are bulletproof, not a bad aftermarket aswell, it . ofc sierra is cool and I love them, but they are kinda rare now, so getting parts might be tricky Im not sure, and 4wd ofc a subbie. but basically when you on a budget you shouldnt really look for something specific, just get the cheapest crap you can find and make it ready, you dont really need that much to start on the most basic rallycross or any other sport, just fix it up, gut the interior, get some good enough tires, helmet and some simple safety gear and you pretty much ready to go.
Why has no one raced trucks in rally races? I haven't seen any trucks in rally races. It's either sedans or hatchbacks or coupes. No one is racing old trucks with stock engines. I mean trucks before 2000 where the horsepower was stull relatively under 300 without a turbo or supercharger despite having 8 cylinders or eve the 4 cylinder Japanese imports.
We’re talking about an Impreza, not a Wrx. Older Imprezas can be had for the same amount of money as an older legacy, and will be a much lighter and maneuverable vehicle
the volvo 240 was never offered with anything but a 4 cylinder called the b20 making about 130hp the volvo 260 however was offered with a strait six and a v6
Shitty facts man. We got the st165 and st185 alltrac celica's, which were the same thing as the GT-Four celica's. Same 3s-gte and AWD. The Volvo 240 is powered by an inline four, not a v6. Besides this, good luck finding any Merkur XR4Ti's. In this price point regardless, you can get some beat up WRX's for 4-5k. The GVR4 and 1G/2G DSM would like to have a talk with you as well.
This has been mentioned in the comments, but I feel like I should expound a bit on the Celica: The ones in the clips in this video are all WRC-prepped Celica GT-Fours, mostly ST185s('90-'93) but a couple of ST165 clips('88-'89). Both the ST165 and ST185 were sold in the US under the Turbo All-Trac moniker, but with only around 2,500 ST165s and 1,700 ST185s sold here they are VERY rare and hard to find. Only around 10,100 ST165s and 26,000 ST185s were made worldwide, with a variant based on the sixth-generation Celica platform(the ST205) ending the line at about 12,000 produced. While buried in history the GT-Four was quite successful; taking four WRC drivers championships(1990, 1992, 1993, and 1994). Toyota suspended its rally program after the infamous cheating fiasco in 1995, though they have recently started back up using the Yaris platform. While the All-trac/GT-Four is a natural choice for rallycross as they're essentially a WRC homologation car the rarity, complexity and difficulty in finding parts makes it an expensive, daunting prospect. The ST185 shares the same second-generation 3SGTE as the MR2 Turbo(and its aftermarket), however the ST165's first-gen 3SGTE is bespoke to it and is nearly impossible to find parts for. Prices can vary; I've seen basketcase project ST165s go for as little as $1,000 and well-sorted, modified ST185s go for upwards of $10,000. ST205s will start becoming importable next year(2019), with Canadian-landed JDM imports running around $5,000 CAD for a runner that needs work. Those prices will likely rise once they start becoming import legal. That said, if those who run this channel want to check one of these cars out, I've got a sub-50K, stockish ST165 I'm more than willing to break out and show off. Just bear in mind I'm keeping it off the rallycross courses. :)
I totally agree with 7 in the FWD category. The Celica is an amazing and legendary Rally vehicle. I’ll definitely try getting one and customizing it to be completely safe on the track, like adding racing seats and a roll cage. Maybe even some Rally bumper lights.
B23E with the 138hp, was the one to have. With the exhaust kit and a cam alone, it spanked the stock 155hp B21 turbo big time. Volvo had over-the-counter street legal turbo kit for the B23E, to take it much much further. In sweden there were/are tons of hopup parts. 280-360hp without turbo, more with. Chassis kits, thicker sway bars, bilstein dampers, short ratio steering, body kits, gauge clusters, headers+free flow exhausts, loads of camshafts and engine hopups, limited slips and more, directly from half inch thick volvo R-sport catalogue, all street legal. Now the 242, 2 door body, is the one to have, discountinued in 1983. Lastly, to twist your brains, there was also a street legal 282. Thats right, smallblock chevy conversion kit, WITH street legal documentation, directly from volvo, less engine. You have never really driven a volvo until you try it fully hopped up with the "R" camshaft. 3500 rpm minimum to get going, 5000rpm reccomended. Then floor it, pull hard to 7000+. 260 was the six cylinders, 240's 4 cylinders. Except obscure canadian diesel6, which was called a 240.
Couple of things to note on your video, you claim in the opening about chassis being key to rally, but list the car's by drive type. The choices are good, pretty solid actually, however, it might work better if you listed the cars with special editions ie. The Celica alltrac, which is the us version of the GT four, the Civic wagon awd, the talon/eclipse tsi/gsx, as part of the chassis classification. The one car I disagree on is the mighty max, they're just super rare, so finding one is difficult. I'd say look for a 300zx or early supra also in rwd, or even a fox chassis mustang for the murican folks. One other thing feature less videos of the cars just driving like 30sec max per car. It shortens the video length and helps draw focus to the list and not just to the car videos.
Too rare, and owners all insane..Think theyäre worth millions for dead ones..They all say "only (pick some stupid number) 1200 EVER MADE! great cars aside from shit gearbox ratios.
Indeed the 240 did not. Volvo made a 260 series with a 6 cylincer engine. the 6 stand for the amount of cyclinders. as for the 240 the 4 stand for 4 cylinders
The Volvo 240 is built with a 2.0- 2,1 and a 2,3litre engine! and a lot of different injections or carburetor and a 2,3 turbo version. The v6 engine is in the Volvo 260 model at least in Sweden 🇸🇪. And I think the USA had the v6 as Base model And I can say the v6 model is no god! Go with the 4cylinder! All clips of Volvo in this video vas 4cyl and most of them turbo
And virtually no rally parts to be found..Now many of the gearbox parts are NLA no longer available...Too expensive and too heavy, too..But man what a great motor in them.
where the heck did you get your price points for some of these cars?? you said you checked craigslist and shit but I think that's a bunch of bull shit because you said a civic will cost you AT LEAST $2,000! I got my civic for $450 and pretty much everyone I know that has a civic paid less than $2,000 for it.
Appreciate the time you spent making the video, however, I would appreciate it more if you would have taken the time to do more research... If you're aiming this video to the people who are new to rally, beginners, or people who want to get into the sport then you need to make sure you're giving them the best and most accurate information possible. This video contains lots of misinformation that could lead a rally/rallycross new comer to miss out on the opportunity to find a great starter platform.
As I rally cross myself I highly do not recommend sr20s as much as other engines. I use a Nissan pulsar n15 (almera Aussie addition) and it is a 1.6 ga16 engine. As the sr20s have more horsepower the ga16 revs harder. Another reason is that you can abuse the ga16 so much and not hurt anything and it generally lasts longer than the sr20 meaning less part changes meaning less money. You may aswell buy a more expensive car with a better engine than buying a cheap one with a crappy. I highly suggest finding the car in your budget then finding parts for not just the engine but the car itself.
The merc 190e is pretty good too the 4 cyl and straight six make ok power and can be built up a little bit and they mostly run 1200 to 3000 from what I’ve seen rwd too
I second this. The w201 was actually developed for WRC by Mercedes (with a turbo 4cyl making 300bhp), until Audi entered their Quattro and Mercedes shat themselves, instead going to DTM. So it’s got a beautiful 5 link rear end that puts done power extremely well, a stupid stiff chassis with low drag and ahead-of-time aero, etc. find a manual trans one (or swap in another box with adaptor plate) and you have a killer car. Might not make tons of power, but you can be sure all 100kw are going into the ground. Also, 4cyl cars handle much better than 6cyl. They are so much fun to rally, and I wouldn’t consider stopping soon!
You missed an amazing FWD car. The Hyundai Excel is a cheap beginners car and here in Australia, most states have their own one make rally series for them.
The 240 usually has an inline 4, but there are v6 versions of it, at least here in Sweden where they originates from. They are obviosly rather long but very reliable.
very VERY weak rear suspension arms that die routinely..Rare to find a Manual Fuckus...and a gearbox made for max MPG if you do..But if you get the Duratec powered ones they are pretty good--if you just keep swapping in rear links and arms ...
Nope...Though I do have a old 88 Chev van with a 6.2 diesel...and a Muncie M89 manual box....So no Chev or Doodge fan.. Nope driven European Ford powered things since I got my first one way back in October 1973..a MkI Ford Transit, LHD but English built with the English "Essex V4"... As to the subject of this silly video...the US style of cone dodging on grass is done so simplicticly and slowly that it doesn't matter what vehicle..Hell motorhomes, pick ups, Bro Trucks, ANYTHING is fine for driving 25-30 mph.. Rally however is a different story..shortest time wins, so quickness is the name of the game.. So I an a "fan" of cars which are basically well balance, simple to work on and which it is easy to get shorter ring and pinion sets easier for 140-195 bucks.. I push hard 240 Volvo and Ford Sieera which in the US were called "Mare-KOOOoooor" (not sure on how many Os but a lot) Both are well proven chassi with good balance, engines which are big enough, can easily swap out diff for the XR4Ti to use a Supra MkIII diff, and the Volvos get a 4-runner solid 8" unit.. Both work good enough for numerous wins all over the place for the last 30 years.. Ought to be good enough for guys out for a Sunday drive down a Special Stage.. Why would you think such a weird thing?
All trims and models.... How much you wanna bet that base Golf and Celica owner wishing they'd have a R32 or a GT-Four instead of just now forced to source those OEM parts converting? Great Job informative, Real research based, not a lowkey misinformed compilation of reposted videos clips=content creation right?👍
"For AWD, The Civic Wagon" *Shows moms grocery getter doing 2 mph in slush* "Another great AWD, This Truck!" *some dude in a truck driving slow through a puddle* Ummmm...That's not rally...that's not even speed... If those qualify as rally material, my wrangler is going to be a beast...
FWD I would include: Corolla CRX Nissan Pulsar Mazda 323 Mitsubishi Colt Mitsubishi Galant Mitsubishi Lancer Eagle Summit Saab 9-3 Saab 900 Saab 9000 Ford Focus ZX3 Ford Escort RWD you missed a ton of good potential: MR2 Older Celicas Toyota Corolla AE-86 Nissan S12 Datsun 280ZX (2+2 go for dirt cheap) Miata AWD: Galant VR-4 Subaru Legacy Subaru Outback Celica Alltrac Camry Alltrac Trecel Alltrac Mazda 323 GTX In USDM all these cars COULD be found for $5000 or less so I feel like they qualify as “budget friendly”
Nice video..BUT! What's needed and what's wanted are 2 separte things, and what is needed in so called "rally-cross" ..."only in America" and for stage rally are vastly different duse to the vastly different venues... In short course low speed "grass-o-cross" light weight and nimbleness is king..Shorter, lighter, anything is fine...Sure more power is more fun but its not needed and not decisive.... In rally in North America virtually every stage is from medium fast to REALY Oh Mah Gawd fast.....quickness is king.. 95% of what you do is run the car repeatedly from 25 mph up about 85mph again and again...and occasionally up to 'whatever you dare before chickening out'.... STABILITY becomes important...and the 2 excellent cars shown in the short RWD thing shine..Both are mostly found with inline 4 2300 SOHC engines (sharing not only the same 96mm bore and 80mm stroke, but even the same head bolt spacing, more or less same valve sizes, same clutch size, similar weights, within an ich and a fraction of same wheelbase, often damn near same turbocharger if they're turbo and a pile of other things same)(yeah there were some V6 Volvos but not many and NO ADVANTAGE so forget those..And note the Merkur XR4Ti is the US version of the Ford XR4i--which came with the same Cologne built 2800 V6 as similar year Rangers and stuff here..) both of which are very simple engines, both very durable (as in you don't have the budget to kill them) and are both among the most rewarding engines around in terms of dollar spent to performance returns...Both can be rallied just by throwning suspension and a shorter final drive in the back axle and a guy can have LOTS of fun...but more importantly a guy can EASILY progressively upgrade major parts like gearbox and diffs or even whole axles junkyard cheap..and that is something you can never do with any of the popular FWD or AWD cars> Contrary to comments, there are plenty of both cars nation wide and we have the best Interstate highway system in the world so if you want you find a rust free West Coast car and (shock!) you can go get it..No Passport controls (yet), cheap gas..Sounds like a road trip! And decent ones to begin a project can be found in some places for FREE or as little as $400 if you look. Other note..yeah as people have pointed out ST165 and ST185 Touiletta All-Craps were sold here but those are VERY expensive and HUGE problems for parts and hellacious to work on and heavier than shit.... When it comes down to it the fact that 240 Volvo was made for 18 years and they made 2.3 million and imported about 70% kinda tips the balance towards those as what I think should be the "default option" beginner car but one you can keep (the same model) for years as you get better...But plenty of Xratties still around.. And that is the oafish-al nick name not "tee Eye" but like formerly ratty or "ex" ratty cause so mnay were orphans and abandoned and that 4 looks like an A from more than 5 feet. Both those, nothing returns more fun and competitiveness for the dollar spent overall. (full disclosure yeah I build both and manufacture or import parts for both..and as far as i know have supplied lots of parts for every Xratty or Volvo running in North America..)
MERKUR Pronounced "MARE-CORE" & look up COSWORTH... I Miss My XR4Ti!!!! but I Still have my 01 RS 2.5 [REAL] not a souped up Impreza!... Even Better 4 RALLY! ;) Never seen any TRUCKS on the Rally Tracks.... thats a new 1! wish I knew, I had a D-50 Too!
I'd like to advocate here for the Mk4 Jetta and New Beetle. They're based on the same platform as the Golf, so anything performance-wise you can do with a Golf, you can do with the Jetta or New Beetle, and if you live in Europe, AWD Jettas (called Boras) were produced. Additionally, in the RWD segment the original Beetle could be a viable option if you're not looking to go fast and just want to have some fun. They're lightweight, cheap, simple and have lots of off-road pedigree, just don't crash. :P
Funny to see how much a ruckus the statement that the Volvo 240 came with a v6 caused. The car was made for 18 years (75-93)and had mostly 4 cylinders from 2.0-2.3 liters and 2 versions of the PRV v6 of which those made before 88 were total shit. The later model resolved oiling issues and had a different oiling system. The Deloreans share a version of this motor and people hodgepodge the various versions together to make a very nice v6. Turbo'd the late PRV V6 is insane. Just look on craigslist right now and you will be hard pressed to find a v6 2 series. Oh, and an inline 6 Volkswagon diesel version exists. Not PRV's and diesels are not common at all and most are in the junkyards.
What about the focus SVT from the early 2000’s for FWD, it had a bullet proof 6 speed manual and 4 banger engine making 150-175 hp out of the box and that was NA, had upgraded suspension and brakes, as well was roomy, and yet could be made to be really low weight, just sayin, wish it was AWD that would make that shit even better, even with the shitty Ford AWD back in the day, but u can always tweak it now
EXCUSE ME. The 240 ONLY had inline-4 engines, and later i6 diesels, making 100-160hp. The only 200 with a 6 cylinder was the 260. The 6 in the name 260 means 6cyl. The 4 in 240 means 4cyl. Get it right.
Saab 900 turbo , ford puma , Suzuki swift , mkll Volkswagen golf, mini, Mazda Rx 8, all these cars should be under 2000 dolla, I would get Impreza myself , cheap and already strong car
Hey Dude I'm from Germany and I don't know did it exist in the US whatever I'm talking about the Suzuki Ignis Sport ist FWD with 110hp and may Not the best known Car but still a great rallycar
Dude your spreading fake news here, the celica ST-165 and ST-185 or All-Trac or AWD came to America I have one silly! Only the ST-205 was not available in the USA 👀😑
Dud, rally and rallycross are Very different! And Honda wagon is NOT legal In rally cross. And that mighty Max thing is not legal either in rally or rallycross. And the Volvo 240 doesnt have a v6, Its a B20 four cylinder
None these...... beetle with cbr or by Hyabusha engine.... get all power u want back wheel, gas milage, you name it very well balanced combo.... and pick up whole build 2500 or less
Whay making å film about rallycross and the moust clip is from rally or privat drivin. But no from rallycross! Check rallycross from TH-cam or Google and check it out!
The volvo 240 does NOT Come with a v6 trust me im a swede. The 240 comes with a b20 or a b21a, or even not so comon the d24. All 240s are straight 4s and puts out about 100hp
I feel like this is a really stupid idea but I'd like to boost a 2008 VW Jetta Manual Transmission 2.5 L that I'm about to get. Does anyone know if Jettas make good rally cars?
Info is kinda wonk, also 1/2 the videos was more people jacking around and rock climbing not really rally. Also sad Civic wagon unable to climb the hill was just sad
I don't see the point in just having voice overs directly over text of exactly what you're saying. Why not just talk over the video clips which mostly have awful sound anyway?
You forgot the first generation Subaru Legacy turbo. It was one of the best rally car ever and without it the Impreza / Wrx wouldn't exist. I've owned 7 first generation Legacy turbos and they are they best and strongest engine to ever come out of Japan the jdm ej20 durability was out of this world. I currently still own a 1992 Subaru Legacy turbo 5 SPD awd with 106k on it and it's absolutely mint.
You said rwd ..xr4 ..that car is called a Sierra xr4 cosworth here in the uk and it has legendary status relating to 4x4 drivetrain . and it comes with ford cosworth engine . check out Sapphire sierra cosworth it sexy as fyck
ok, so i was on the internet and searched for a Subaru 1st gen and i saw someone selling a Fucking ˋˋ22Bˋˋ i dont know if it really is a 22B but it seems like one and it costs only 30K
Those mighty max have 4g64 the 4g63 can be swap into it or you can make a hybrid 4g63 head with a 4g64 block the 240 are only 4 bangers turbo or nonturbo
You can get a srt4 for pretty cheap in southern california which is pretty funny since people are selling then for the same price as a claptrap EG or Ek civic I guess people just want that JDM goodness
I love this. "The Civic is a good rallycross car!" *shows videos of Civics not rallycrossing, then doing it really poorly, then wrecking.*
I agree as some clips don't seem like parts of official rallycross races and more of people mucking (yes I really mean mucking ) around in their cars.
LegacyMuse The wagon it is a great car *Can't climb small hill*
Well a lot of civic crxs seem to do good
not a civic guy but -_- he fucking showed videos of the civic doing great and you do know that rally is not only on gravel right?
LegacyMuse vtec kicks in
SwedishRally one of my favorite channels. 2 much cool stuff.
you can get the GT4 celica in australia too, and they weren't private imports.
Why no mk1 focus?
golf on a budget? its wayy to heavy to make it worth buying as a cheap rally car.. maybe 1.8 turbo or a vr6... but those are quite complicated engines and parts can be tricky, you want your car to be reliable, you need to be able to find part anywhere... for fwd group I would choose civic or any small light car with small engine, because cheap, aftermarket, easy to work aswell, and you want to able to work on your car, rwd probably a bmw 3 series, also really cheap, engines are bulletproof, not a bad aftermarket aswell, it . ofc sierra is cool and I love them, but they are kinda rare now, so getting parts might be tricky Im not sure, and 4wd ofc a subbie.
but basically when you on a budget you shouldnt really look for something specific, just get the cheapest crap you can find and make it ready, you dont really need that much to start on the most basic rallycross or any other sport, just fix it up, gut the interior, get some good enough tires, helmet and some simple safety gear and you pretty much ready to go.
what about Saab for frunt wheel drive? you missed the Saab for cheap rally. got my 2007 for 3000$
Why has no one raced trucks in rally races? I haven't seen any trucks in rally races. It's either sedans or hatchbacks or coupes. No one is racing old trucks with stock engines. I mean trucks before 2000 where the horsepower was stull relatively under 300 without a turbo or supercharger despite having 8 cylinders or eve the 4 cylinder Japanese imports.
In rallycross its not allowed to have awd
2:50 looks like shingo learnt the gutter technique
Space Cowboy Good one😂
Lmao
@keksi fwd and gas
Cool vibrations intensify
3:20 how pros do the gutter technique
Why go for an Impreza when you could get a legacy for less.
ichigozanghetsu legacy is a good car cheap fun a big!!!
True
We’re talking about an Impreza, not a Wrx. Older Imprezas can be had for the same amount of money as an older legacy, and will be a much lighter and maneuverable vehicle
Because "baby" drove one!
I found a 1500 legacy, im still 12 just being ready, hopefully i don't need to trans swapand engine swapit.
Why is it that when ford tries they make a beast of a machine but half the time they're like "meh I'll try again around the 10 year anniversary"
the volvo 240 was never offered with anything but a 4 cylinder called the b20 making about 130hp the volvo 260 however was offered with a strait six and a v6
v6 was also used in the later GLE- and GLT-versions of 240
4 stands for 4 cylinder 2series 4cylinder the zero was sometimes replaced with the amount of doors example 245 was a wagon
The 240 did get a 6 cylinder motor do some research lol
the 260 got a 6 cyl not the 240
Angus Canine
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_200_Series lol it did come with a v6
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I drove neon in one Rallycross race, then cylinder 2 flew out.
Rip, how long did it take to repair?
About week including body work.
Anarchy Truck Pulls What was wrong with the body work?
I put the Neon into a tree after the 2nd cylinder decided to fly.
So do you reccomend the Neon for first time budget rally drivers?
Shitty facts man. We got the st165 and st185 alltrac celica's, which were the same thing as the GT-Four celica's. Same 3s-gte and AWD. The Volvo 240 is powered by an inline four, not a v6.
Besides this, good luck finding any Merkur XR4Ti's. In this price point regardless, you can get some beat up WRX's for 4-5k.
The GVR4 and 1G/2G DSM would like to have a talk with you as well.
i was just about to mention the celicas when i seen your post thank you sir for letting people know.
thanks my dude
that is
right
I was about to point this fact also, thanks! Proud owner of a st165
Drake it also came whit a V6 it was a 2.7 liters all made in swedish aluminium it was called V6 PRV. End of story
This has been mentioned in the comments, but I feel like I should expound a bit on the Celica:
The ones in the clips in this video are all WRC-prepped Celica GT-Fours, mostly ST185s('90-'93) but a couple of ST165 clips('88-'89). Both the ST165 and ST185 were sold in the US under the Turbo All-Trac moniker, but with only around 2,500 ST165s and 1,700 ST185s sold here they are VERY rare and hard to find. Only around 10,100 ST165s and 26,000 ST185s were made worldwide, with a variant based on the sixth-generation Celica platform(the ST205) ending the line at about 12,000 produced. While buried in history the GT-Four was quite successful; taking four WRC drivers championships(1990, 1992, 1993, and 1994). Toyota suspended its rally program after the infamous cheating fiasco in 1995, though they have recently started back up using the Yaris platform.
While the All-trac/GT-Four is a natural choice for rallycross as they're essentially a WRC homologation car the rarity, complexity and difficulty in finding parts makes it an expensive, daunting prospect. The ST185 shares the same second-generation 3SGTE as the MR2 Turbo(and its aftermarket), however the ST165's first-gen 3SGTE is bespoke to it and is nearly impossible to find parts for. Prices can vary; I've seen basketcase project ST165s go for as little as $1,000 and well-sorted, modified ST185s go for upwards of $10,000. ST205s will start becoming importable next year(2019), with Canadian-landed JDM imports running around $5,000 CAD for a runner that needs work. Those prices will likely rise once they start becoming import legal.
That said, if those who run this channel want to check one of these cars out, I've got a sub-50K, stockish ST165 I'm more than willing to break out and show off. Just bear in mind I'm keeping it off the rallycross courses. :)
I totally agree with 7 in the FWD category. The Celica is an amazing and legendary Rally vehicle. I’ll definitely try getting one and customizing it to be completely safe on the track, like adding racing seats and a roll cage. Maybe even some Rally bumper lights.
I love my Celica, but I can’t bring myself to rally it
update?
Gtfour
except the celica he shows is the gt4 from group a which is awd but im sure there's a fwd to awd swap out there some where.
B23E with the 138hp, was the one to have. With the exhaust kit and a cam alone, it spanked the stock 155hp B21 turbo big time. Volvo had over-the-counter street legal turbo kit for the B23E, to take it much much further.
In sweden there were/are tons of hopup parts. 280-360hp without turbo, more with. Chassis kits, thicker sway bars, bilstein dampers, short ratio steering, body kits, gauge clusters, headers+free flow exhausts, loads of camshafts and engine hopups, limited slips and more, directly from half inch thick volvo R-sport catalogue, all street legal. Now the 242, 2 door body, is the one to have, discountinued in 1983. Lastly, to twist your brains, there was also a street legal 282. Thats right, smallblock chevy conversion kit, WITH street legal documentation, directly from volvo, less engine.
You have never really driven a volvo until you try it fully hopped up with the "R" camshaft. 3500 rpm minimum to get going, 5000rpm reccomended. Then floor it, pull hard to 7000+.
260 was the six cylinders, 240's 4 cylinders. Except obscure canadian diesel6, which was called a 240.
The 240 is a inline 4 no turbo
streakingcaddy ... inline 4 is a type of engine
BlackDragon Ashe he's talking about the Volvo 240, not the Nissan 240sx/S13 fwiw.
yeah? Good for THEM!
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Volvo 240 came with 4 cylinder motors, and lots were turbo'd in the early 80's, and adding a turbo to an NA model is very easy and affordable.
Couple of things to note on your video, you claim in the opening about chassis being key to rally, but list the car's by drive type. The choices are good, pretty solid actually, however, it might work better if you listed the cars with special editions ie. The Celica alltrac, which is the us version of the GT four, the Civic wagon awd, the talon/eclipse tsi/gsx, as part of the chassis classification. The one car I disagree on is the mighty max, they're just super rare, so finding one is difficult. I'd say look for a 300zx or early supra also in rwd, or even a fox chassis mustang for the murican folks. One other thing feature less videos of the cars just driving like 30sec max per car. It shortens the video length and helps draw focus to the list and not just to the car videos.
why not a Mitsubishi Galant?
Too rare, and owners all insane..Think theyäre worth millions for dead ones..They all say "only (pick some stupid number) 1200 EVER MADE!
great cars aside from shit gearbox ratios.
I dont mean the 1st gen ones though
janvanv really I was about to buy one as my first car an he only wants 1300 an it's it pretty nice condition
The Galant VR4 is common here lmaoooo
@@janvanv Galants are common as shit...
Now thats how you drive a civic without ricing it
The 240 doesnt have a v6? Its a turbocharged inline 4 engine.
Ins4niaC Some came with a Peugeot V6 I believe, but you don't want those lol
Oh really? Isnt those fitted into the Volvo 960/965? Ive never heard of any V6 240s tho... Ill have to look this up. lol
I'm honestly not sure, but I feel like there were a few 240's with a v6. I could be wrong tho lol
Indeed the 240 did not. Volvo made a 260 series with a 6 cylincer engine. the 6 stand for the amount of cyclinders. as for the 240 the 4 stand for 4 cylinders
Ahhhhhh, thank you for that clarification. You learn something every day
Pretty sure the 240 have a 2.3 liter inline 4 mine dose atleast good vid thooo
Dden Dden unless it was swapped to a newer Volvo 5 cylinder whiteblock then it has either a 2.0L(1975) 2.1 or 2.3 inline 4.
v6 was also used in the later GLE- and GLT-versions of 240
also mae 2.5
That was the volvo 260.
With a renault/peugeot/volvo v6 engine.
The are terrible.
Take the 4 cyl,match better engine.
The Volvo 240 is built with a 2.0- 2,1 and a 2,3litre engine!
and a lot of different injections or carburetor and a 2,3 turbo version.
The v6 engine is in the Volvo 260 model at least in Sweden 🇸🇪.
And I think the USA had the v6 as Base model
And I can say the v6 model is no god! Go with the 4cylinder! All clips of Volvo in this video vas 4cyl and most of them turbo
AWD IS NIO THE SAME AS 4WD!!!
You can actually get the ft four celica in America it's called the alltrac
It's rare as gold and expensive asf tho
And virtually no rally parts to be found..Now many of the gearbox parts are NLA no longer available...Too expensive and too heavy, too..But man what a great motor in them.
I scored and found a 185, currently building a rally car now 😎
some had 4 wheel steer too
You know the video from boris how to slav your car 3:54 is that Blin1 ?
Note on the Celica: USDM got the Alltrac which is the GT Four in Europe and Japan and also badged as the Group A Rallye in Australia.
When he says Impreza but doesn't mention the Evo :'(
TheProski87 "budget"
evos are expensive AF. and mitsubishi is kind of bitches becaus they dint realy make the standard lancer model 4wd or any good engine realy
TheProski87 cuz evos aright cheap
Evo is canceled and its expensive
Subie is cheaper and its waaay more fun to drive then somewhat awd evo
Fronty subie are cheaper but evos are way more fun
That's not a Volvo 240, it's a 242. And they cost double or triple or regular 240's.
Well it's still a 240 just a 2 door version.
El Lada 2104 con modificaciones en su motor y algo de mejoramiento en la suspensión es sin duda la versión más económica para acercarte al Rally.
where the heck did you get your price points for some of these cars?? you said you checked craigslist and shit but I think that's a bunch of bull shit because you said a civic will cost you AT LEAST $2,000! I got my civic for $450 and pretty much everyone I know that has a civic paid less than $2,000 for it.
Why no bmw e36 e30 or e34 on the rwd list? Here in finland bmws are very popular rally cars you get them for very cheap, even I have one.
Dodge neon: no
You can just hear the lack of power in this mistake of a car.
Appreciate the time you spent making the video, however, I would appreciate it more if you would have taken the time to do more research... If you're aiming this video to the people who are new to rally, beginners, or people who want to get into the sport then you need to make sure you're giving them the best and most accurate information possible. This video contains lots of misinformation that could lead a rally/rallycross new comer to miss out on the opportunity to find a great starter platform.
6:25 the us market got the all-trac wich is AWD
As I rally cross myself I highly do not recommend sr20s as much as other engines. I use a Nissan pulsar n15 (almera Aussie addition) and it is a 1.6 ga16 engine. As the sr20s have more horsepower the ga16 revs harder. Another reason is that you can abuse the ga16 so much and not hurt anything and it generally lasts longer than the sr20 meaning less part changes meaning less money. You may aswell buy a more expensive car with a better engine than buying a cheap one with a crappy. I highly suggest finding the car in your budget then finding parts for not just the engine but the car itself.
Where the focus
Only the first generation Impreza has the EJ22, after 2000, they were all 2.5.
LegacyMuse No, that wasn't until the Hawkeye impreza. I know this because my dad's Bugeye WRX had an EJ20 2.0L turbo
LegacyMuse ej22 was in the 22b
EJ20 you mean
James Havenga EJ22D and EJ207 aren't the same engine...
James Havenga you are a lucky guy. My dad owns a chevy spark
How can you forget the Evo7 and 8? It Won more rally races than the Wrx.😐
Its budget rally, the evos are expensive, and rare as well, they dont make evos anymore and everyone wants one. They dont last
and m.lancer?
The Dodge truck came with a 4G63, so you can swap in the 4G63T easily and make sht ton of power out of it
you forget the peugeot 106/Citröen saxo and renault clio. the small french hatch had a very good chassis for rallying
Not a standard chassis , group cars have more welded structure underneath
Lol at the sr20 being the best kissing engine ever made
Did we forget about rb's
The merc 190e is pretty good too the 4 cyl and straight six make ok power and can be built up a little bit and they mostly run 1200 to 3000 from what I’ve seen rwd too
I second this. The w201 was actually developed for WRC by Mercedes (with a turbo 4cyl making 300bhp), until Audi entered their Quattro and Mercedes shat themselves, instead going to DTM. So it’s got a beautiful 5 link rear end that puts done power extremely well, a stupid stiff chassis with low drag and ahead-of-time aero, etc. find a manual trans one (or swap in another box with adaptor plate) and you have a killer car. Might not make tons of power, but you can be sure all 100kw are going into the ground. Also, 4cyl cars handle much better than 6cyl. They are so much fun to rally, and I wouldn’t consider stopping soon!
Stopped watching when he showed the fwd class and Honda being 9th on the list LOL
You missed an amazing FWD car. The Hyundai Excel is a cheap beginners car and here in Australia, most states have their own one make rally series for them.
The 240 usually has an inline 4, but there are v6 versions of it, at least here in Sweden where they originates from.
They are obviosly rather long but very reliable.
when civics cost 30K in your country used :)
Dats fukted up
All old Volvos is a Good rally car
wtf no bmw for rally...you can find those for dirt cheap like a e36 or a e30
As a BMW ever won a rally
Another recommendation is a first gen legacy they also had some rally roots until the Impreza replaced it.
at least in az those prices are cut in half. I just got a race ready civic hatch 1 k.
if no celicock i’m suing
1st place definitely belongs to the 1969-70 dodge charger.
konner kramer umm I’m new to this but a vintage muscle car is not a good rally car unless I’m getting wooooooshed
Yoooo I have the chance to buy a 08 r32 rally its got some miss fire and needs alignment a bit rough what do you suggest me to do
No ford focus?
very VERY weak rear suspension arms that die routinely..Rare to find a Manual Fuckus...and a gearbox made for max MPG if you do..But if you get the Duratec powered ones they are pretty good--if you just keep swapping in rear links and arms ...
janvanv I bet you're a Chevy or Dodge fan
Nope...Though I do have a old 88 Chev van with a 6.2 diesel...and a Muncie M89 manual box....So no Chev or Doodge fan..
Nope driven European Ford powered things since I got my first one way back in October 1973..a MkI Ford Transit, LHD but English built with the English "Essex V4"...
As to the subject of this silly video...the US style of cone dodging on grass is done so simplicticly and slowly that it doesn't matter what vehicle..Hell motorhomes, pick ups, Bro Trucks, ANYTHING is fine for driving 25-30 mph..
Rally however is a different story..shortest time wins, so quickness is the name of the game..
So I an a "fan" of cars which are basically well balance, simple to work on and which it is easy to get shorter ring and pinion sets easier for 140-195 bucks.. I push hard 240 Volvo and Ford Sieera which in the US were called "Mare-KOOOoooor" (not sure on how many Os but a lot)
Both are well proven chassi with good balance, engines which are big enough, can easily swap out diff for the XR4Ti to use a Supra MkIII diff, and the Volvos get a 4-runner solid 8" unit..
Both work good enough for numerous wins all over the place for the last 30 years..
Ought to be good enough for guys out for a Sunday drive down a Special Stage..
Why would you think such a weird thing?
janvanv the ST?
4:25 RIP earphone users
I love the sr20, but the rb26 blows it out of the water.
Wait, the Volvo 240 actually has a inline five engine delivering around 80 - 160 hp. Or is there something i don't know?
All trims and models.... How much you wanna bet that base Golf and Celica owner wishing they'd have a R32 or a GT-Four instead of just now forced to source those OEM parts converting?
Great Job informative, Real research based, not a lowkey misinformed compilation of reposted videos clips=content creation right?👍
"For AWD, The Civic Wagon" *Shows moms grocery getter doing 2 mph in slush*
"Another great AWD, This Truck!" *some dude in a truck driving slow through a puddle*
Ummmm...That's not rally...that's not even speed... If those qualify as rally material, my wrangler is going to be a beast...
FWD I would include:
Corolla
CRX
Nissan Pulsar
Mazda 323
Mitsubishi Colt
Mitsubishi Galant
Mitsubishi Lancer
Eagle Summit
Saab 9-3
Saab 900
Saab 9000
Ford Focus ZX3
Ford Escort
RWD you missed a ton of good potential:
MR2
Older Celicas
Toyota Corolla AE-86
Nissan S12
Datsun 280ZX (2+2 go for dirt cheap)
Miata
AWD:
Galant VR-4
Subaru Legacy
Subaru Outback
Celica Alltrac
Camry Alltrac
Trecel Alltrac
Mazda 323 GTX
In USDM all these cars COULD be found for $5000 or less so I feel like they qualify as “budget friendly”
Nice video..BUT! What's needed and what's wanted are 2 separte things, and what is needed in so called "rally-cross" ..."only in America" and for stage rally are vastly different duse to the vastly different venues... In short course low speed "grass-o-cross" light weight and nimbleness is king..Shorter, lighter, anything is fine...Sure more power is more fun but its not needed and not decisive....
In rally in North America virtually every stage is from medium fast to REALY Oh Mah Gawd fast.....quickness is king.. 95% of what you do is run the car repeatedly from 25 mph up about 85mph again and again...and occasionally up to 'whatever you dare before chickening out'.... STABILITY becomes important...and the 2 excellent cars shown in the short RWD thing shine..Both are mostly found with inline 4 2300 SOHC engines (sharing not only the same 96mm bore and 80mm stroke, but even the same head bolt spacing, more or less same valve sizes, same clutch size, similar weights, within an ich and a fraction of same wheelbase, often damn near same turbocharger if they're turbo and a pile of other things same)(yeah there were some V6 Volvos but not many and NO ADVANTAGE so forget those..And note the Merkur XR4Ti is the US version of the Ford XR4i--which came with the same Cologne built 2800 V6 as similar year Rangers and stuff here..) both of which are very simple engines, both very durable (as in you don't have the budget to kill them) and are both among the most rewarding engines around in terms of dollar spent to performance returns...Both can be rallied just by throwning suspension and a shorter final drive in the back axle and a guy can have LOTS of fun...but more importantly a guy can EASILY progressively upgrade major parts like gearbox and diffs or even whole axles junkyard cheap..and that is something you can never do with any of the popular FWD or AWD cars>
Contrary to comments, there are plenty of both cars nation wide and we have the best Interstate highway system in the world so if you want you find a rust free West Coast car and (shock!) you can go get it..No Passport controls (yet), cheap gas..Sounds like a road trip! And decent ones to begin a project can be found in some places for FREE or as little as $400 if you look.
Other note..yeah as people have pointed out ST165 and ST185 Touiletta All-Craps were sold here but those are VERY expensive and HUGE problems for parts and hellacious to work on and heavier than shit....
When it comes down to it the fact that 240 Volvo was made for 18 years and they made 2.3 million and imported about 70% kinda tips the balance towards those as what I think should be the "default option" beginner car but one you can keep (the same model) for years as you get better...But plenty of Xratties still around..
And that is the oafish-al nick name not "tee Eye" but like formerly ratty or "ex" ratty cause so mnay were orphans and abandoned and that 4 looks like an A from more than 5 feet.
Both those, nothing returns more fun and competitiveness for the dollar spent overall.
(full disclosure yeah I build both and manufacture or import parts for both..and as far as i know have supplied lots of parts for every Xratty or Volvo running in North America..)
MERKUR Pronounced "MARE-CORE" & look up COSWORTH... I Miss My XR4Ti!!!! but I Still have my 01 RS 2.5 [REAL] not a souped up Impreza!... Even Better 4 RALLY! ;)
Never seen any TRUCKS on the Rally Tracks.... thats a new 1! wish I knew, I had a D-50 Too!
I'd like to advocate here for the Mk4 Jetta and New Beetle. They're based on the same platform as the Golf, so anything performance-wise you can do with a Golf, you can do with the Jetta or New Beetle, and if you live in Europe, AWD Jettas (called Boras) were produced.
Additionally, in the RWD segment the original Beetle could be a viable option if you're not looking to go fast and just want to have some fun. They're lightweight, cheap, simple and have lots of off-road pedigree, just don't crash. :P
Volvo 240 with v6?.. Most be a. US spec then.. Over here 240 comes with 2.1L. I4 115HK 2.3L I4 136HK
Or The 2.1L I4 turbo
Funny to see how much a ruckus the statement that the Volvo 240 came with a v6 caused. The car was made for 18 years (75-93)and had mostly 4 cylinders from 2.0-2.3 liters and 2 versions of the PRV v6 of which those made before 88 were total shit. The later model resolved oiling issues and had a different oiling system. The Deloreans share a version of this motor and people hodgepodge the various versions together to make a very nice v6. Turbo'd the late PRV V6 is insane. Just look on craigslist right now and you will be hard pressed to find a v6 2 series. Oh, and an inline 6 Volkswagon diesel version exists. Not PRV's and diesels are not common at all and most are in the junkyards.
What about the focus SVT from the early 2000’s for FWD, it had a bullet proof 6 speed manual and 4 banger engine making 150-175 hp out of the box and that was NA, had upgraded suspension and brakes, as well was roomy, and yet could be made to be really low weight, just sayin, wish it was AWD that would make that shit even better, even with the shitty Ford AWD back in the day, but u can always tweak it now
EXCUSE ME. The 240 ONLY had inline-4 engines, and later i6 diesels, making 100-160hp. The only 200 with a 6 cylinder was the 260. The 6 in the name 260 means 6cyl. The 4 in 240 means 4cyl. Get it right.
Saab 9-3 first gen is good rally car. :)
I just so happen to own one. A 2000 USDM 2 door convertible. Sadly an automatic. If I sell I might get a manual 4 door and rally that one.
Saab 900 turbo , ford puma , Suzuki swift , mkll Volkswagen golf, mini, Mazda Rx 8, all these cars should be under 2000 dolla, I would get Impreza myself , cheap and already strong car
Hey Dude
I'm from Germany and I don't know did it exist in the US whatever I'm talking about the Suzuki Ignis Sport ist FWD with 110hp and may Not the best known Car but still a great rallycar
Dude your spreading fake news here, the celica ST-165 and ST-185 or All-Trac or AWD came to America I have one silly! Only the ST-205 was not available in the USA 👀😑
What do you guys think about modifying (Passat b5 2.8 v6 4Motion) into a home made rally car?
Dud, rally and rallycross are Very different! And Honda wagon is NOT legal In rally cross. And that mighty Max thing is not legal either in rally or rallycross. And the Volvo 240 doesnt have a v6, Its a B20 four cylinder
None these...... beetle with cbr or by Hyabusha engine.... get all power u want back wheel, gas milage, you name it very well balanced combo.... and pick up whole build 2500 or less
Whay making å film about rallycross and the moust clip is from rally or privat drivin.
But no from rallycross!
Check rallycross from TH-cam or Google and check it out!
I'm just saying...if you're on a Budget The Toyota AE86 Trueno should be the No.1 Rally car before the Impreza. Only 5,000-8,000 USD
Won't beat the dead horse but rudimentary Google skills will tell you the GT FOUR was here from 88-93. I've owned my ST165 for almost 20 years.
I think you don't really know the difference between rally and rallycross
strange video. You kinda got none of the real cars drivers use to go budget rallying.
The volvo 240 does NOT Come with a v6 trust me im a swede. The 240 comes with a b20 or a b21a, or even not so comon the d24. All 240s are straight 4s and puts out about 100hp
I feel like this is a really stupid idea but I'd like to boost a 2008 VW Jetta Manual Transmission 2.5 L that I'm about to get. Does anyone know if Jettas make good rally cars?
good luck finding the merkur xr4ti and even if you can find one its not gonna be a pultry $5k. it cant be had on a budget.. same goes for the impreza.
Info is kinda wonk, also 1/2 the videos was more people jacking around and rock climbing not really rally. Also sad Civic wagon unable to climb the hill was just sad
I don't see the point in just having voice overs directly over text of exactly what you're saying. Why not just talk over the video clips which mostly have awful sound anyway?
mustang fox body
1970 dodge freaking challenger(if you wanna have a bit of style while going throw that corner at 25mph):D
What about a Mk4 Ford Fiesta J*S with a 1.6L? They are cheap and you can get parts from the Ford Puma which was used in Rallying.
You forgot the first generation Subaru Legacy turbo. It was one of the best rally car ever and without it the Impreza / Wrx wouldn't exist. I've owned 7 first generation Legacy turbos and they are they best and strongest engine to ever come out of Japan the jdm ej20 durability was out of this world. I currently still own a 1992 Subaru Legacy turbo 5 SPD awd with 106k on it and it's absolutely mint.
Legacy Turbo Check out my channel and see what I own.
You said rwd ..xr4 ..that car is called a Sierra xr4 cosworth here in the uk and it has legendary status relating to 4x4 drivetrain . and it comes with ford cosworth engine . check out Sapphire sierra cosworth it sexy as fyck
You forgot Ford escort
Sir Nippleton McSugarteets which one? Most ones I know are up for 20k
They old af
@@ethanleslie8329 not just the Cosworth... they did the XR3i and RS Turbo
@@ethanleslie8329 u can get the newer zx2 escorts for bout $1500. Hell I have one I'm trying to sell for $700😂
@@samthomson3394 they made the zx2s up until 2004 or 2005
ok, so i was on the internet and searched for a Subaru 1st gen and i saw someone selling a Fucking ˋˋ22Bˋˋ i dont know if it really is a 22B but it seems like one and it costs only 30K
Volvo 240 doesn’t have a v6, it traditionally has an inline 4 that comes NA or turbo, I used to have one the engines are bullet proof
Like everything you say is wrong... and you mix rallycross and rally which is Two different things.. smh.
Again to the Americans, please, please stop making content like this. Its a joke. And you will only make a fool of yourselves
This video is made from a obvious north America perspectives due to it missing a few good cars to start out with (Citroen C2 and Peugeot 206).
Those mighty max have 4g64 the 4g63 can be swap into it or you can make a hybrid 4g63 head with a 4g64 block the 240 are only 4 bangers turbo or nonturbo
No Mazda?
You can get a srt4 for pretty cheap in southern california which is pretty funny since people are selling then for the same price as a claptrap EG or Ek civic I guess people just want that JDM goodness