Depends on if you belong to a union or not. What your union contract is. I’ve been on both sides, this is not an endorsement of unions or argument against them. Both situations have their good and bad points.
This woman's whole shtick is based in non-reality. This is low level power fantasy for desk jockeys that are overpaid for what they do to begin with. Why am I here if I don't like her """"content"""" you may ask? Good question, I put this channel on the do not recommend list but once you click on one of these slops it follows you to the grave
What usually happens is they quietly lay off people. Managers then come around and start requesting more work out of the remaining employees. My suggestion: always have 4 recruiters on speed dial.
@@pariahlord3540 Funny , though, how this has actually happened to a lot of people. I came back from vacation, there was a meeting to tell us all of our hours were being cut, but we were still required to do ALL of our respective jobs. Things like this are not fantasy, they happen all the time.
Quiet quitting sounds like a good idea, but in reality it'll only hurt you and your career. Find something you enjoy doing and then figure out how to make money doing it.
Companies do this all the time and then wonder why people engage in acting their wage or, as management likes to call it, "quiet quitting". If you lay people off to save money, that better be because the department is under-utilized or I'm following right along with them to get a position somewhere that isn't overburdening me with work at no additional pay so the managers can justify their yearly bonus.
Exactly. When covid happened and people got to work from home or were locked down, they had time to think and take a step back. People realized life is too short for this crap. And I say good! Figure out whats best for you and your family and do that. Nothing anyone else says matters. I wish everyone the best. Its hard but we can do it. Just need a plan.
Was in a job that did this. My team amd I let things slide and deadlines not met because of the extra work. Management was seething and knew they could not fire all of our team or their clients would lose it. 6 months after realizing the threats, passive agression amd coercion was not working, managememt finally hired new people to handle the workload. After 3 months of training the newbies, my coworker and I left to better opportunities with a 35% increase in salary. I found out later that two of the toxic senior managers in that company (who were nothing but bullies making vile decisions in the workplace) were fired for gross misconduct. The company approached me to fill one of their roles. I declined. Never working for a company like that. It was riddled with bad managers and abuse enablers.
My hospital chain keeps cutting support staff and dumping their duties on the nurses who are trying to do patient care, then expecting the nursing staff to be more responsive to the patients. Then giving extra pay during Covid to every department except nursing. Guess what they got…..pizza. And several died from Covid because they were worked like crazy. Then administration scratches their head and are trying to figure out why there’s a 60% staff turnover and they can’t get nurses to accept a job with them. Thank God I became disabled right before Covid. I was already doing three people’s jobs because they didn’t want to spend the money. It worsened my health so I got out. And so glad I had paid for long term disability insurance.
@@slc1161 Was this a larges central PA hospital that just recently was gobbled up by a very large western US hospital chain whose name rhymes with 'riser' ?
@@Cherryblossoms110she works for the company, not you, grow up and start your own company or stop expecting someone who is trying to live their dream care about yours
That is dumb, just continue to do "your" job. If it all goes to hell in a handbasket--so be it. Polish up the resume. Use all your PTO. Leave on your terms. If they fire you, they will have to pay unemployment. This is not about your feelings, this is about your money
@@THE-id1by You might think it's dumb but I've seen it happen. Company I worked for was terrible for the way they treated employees. Before xmas one year they fired a bunch of people then decided since Dec 23rd was a pay day not to pay the employees. To their shock the owners came in on the 24th to find a stack of resignations from the entire staff. Fortunately enough for me I left that company a year earlier. I helped as many of my former co workers get jobs as I could. But sometimes it is better to get out before it all burns down around you. You don't want to be the ones to show up to work & the place is locked up & a notice is on the door. It's better to go out on your terms. When it is 1 person quits then an employer can simply tell anyone calling in reference to hiring that person they were a bad employee but when 90 people walk out all at once it speaks volumes about the employer. Oh I was a manager there I got out because I saw the writing on the wall & got most of my former staff jobs at other companies I had connections with so they wouldn't be there when it all went titts up. People I knew in other departments I gave leads to & referrals to when they all walked out.
@@seditiouswalrus I've seen it happen when owner goes off the rails screwing their employees. The owner of that company learned don't piss in peoples corn flakes the day before xmas.
When the manager indicated she was taking "PTO" (Personal Time Off?), I immediately wondered if this meant that, in fact, she had some job interviews since she realizes that the ship is sinking.
EXACTLY the conversation I had with my manager a week ago. When people quit, they don't hire for the job and then act like the remaining employees are lazy or demanding or unrealistic.......Thank you for this post.
So this is the time to get CV updated and look for another job. Often, when this sort of thing happens, managers are really surprised that half the staff left get new jobs within 6 months.
LOL, where I worked they fired a secretary, months later the supply drawers were empty and invoices were not sent out. The manager never had this meeting and half the employees was unaware the person had been let go.
Disgustingly familiar. The whole "well your contract does state" may as well be "remember, you signed your life away because when we draw up contracts we make sure to trap our employees". My heart goes out to everyone having no choice but to remain in a toxic environment.
No. When they pull this crap I slow down so none of the extra duties get done. When they whine I tell them I simply didn't have time to get to it. If they say then I have to stay late I tell them no I won't be doing that because I'd be having to stay late every day because they've literally given me two peoples jobs to do and there simply isn't enough time to finish it all in an eight hour day, and I am not ok with staying late every day so I won't even get that started.
When I was a young guy (20) in the mid 80s a distribution company I worked for did this to us. Increased our labor 30%. No extra salary. I was making $5 an hour. I had no financial obligations so I instantly quit and walked out.
@@boristheamerican2938 If you are single, you have no credit, no mortgage, etc, it's easier than you imagine. You can find another job. Nobody owns you. That is the beauty of it.
me: "just throw them on the list of things to get done and i'll get them done when i get to them during my hours, no i'm not doing any unpaid overtime, leave my office or i'll lose track of three hours of work." worked everytime and they kept me till i quit.
@@cpK054L My pleasure. ive had four other jobs make me an offer with better hours and better pay already. YTou were already short staffed.. Now you are VERY short staffed...
This exact situation happened at my Wife’s previous job, where she was a Team Leader. Within 4 months, my wife and 4 other Team Leaders had resigned and totally unsuitable people had been to fill the roles.
Never enable this kind of behavior by picking up the slack due to cutting hours. Managers do this to get a bonus and expect eveyone to work harder without compensation. Not okay.
You agreed to do it when you signed your contract. It’s usually in the job description so you can’t be mad when they’re asking you to live up to expectations you agreed to.
@@PureBusiness-ef7xunot everything you sign is justiciable. Let's say they write a clause stating that 'by signing you agree to be slave of the company' does this mean they can actually make you slave?😂😂
@@PureBusiness-ef7xuand they agree to compensate you justly in the same contract, want to double my workload, you double my pay. Otherwise you’re just ripping me off and I’ll blast your company for the world to see
As a consultant or contractor I cannot stress for all of you to be hyper critical of that one line item in your job description that says *may perform other addititional duties as required* or something of that nature. Especially if you are in cybersecurity or tech to avoid doing "security architect" level work at the salary rate of a "security analyst." That said, thank me by liking my comment and paying it forward by educating your peers to take our power back, including, tilt the salary requirements back in our favor to be compensated fairly. You're welcome. 😎✌🏾
These companies don't care about the employees from what i've experienced, its all about cutting costs and expecting workers to go above and beyond what they're being paid. Its nonsense. I don't blame people who do only what is required of them, if their pay doesn't increase, neither should their workload.
Decades ago I worked for an administrator and my particular job ran on a quarterly cycle. 2 months out of the three I worked overtime Monday through Thursday. The remaining month I caught up on grunt work I ignored while busy. Quit 8 days before my first son was born but told them ahead of time I wasn't coming back. Trained my replacement for 3 months. She quit 2 months after I did because it was too much work for 1 person and the low salary. They ended up replacing her with 2 people. So for 8 years I was doing the job of 2 people and getting one salary. So glad people are getting smarter and not letting companies walk all over them. I'm a Boomer and we stayed with horrible employers because there were so many of us we knew we could be replaced in a few days.
The universal excuses of poor leadership are: - “but it’s just part of the job” (most abused of these) - “but you are salaried not hourly and we need someone to stay late” - “contract says duties as assigned” (second most abused of this list) - “I can’t offer overtime or raises in pay due to budget issues.” (Can afford pizza parties and taking elaborate personal time off though) - “Need you to be on call. Job requirement. No extra pay. Just part of the job.” (Working IT, this excuse is highly common)
In the real world, this of course would be following the fact that several employees were let go last year, with their duties being divided among the remaining employees, who never got compensated for those extra duties then. And now are being asked to take on the extra duties again this year with no extra compensation. And those employees can expect to do the same next year when a few other employees are let go and their duties are again divided among the remaining without compensation. Until there is just one employee doing everything for no extra compensation.
Pay raises and promotions are given to high performers who take on responsibility. People leaving is as much an opportunity as it is a burden. I’ve seen a lot of people leave who’s 40 hr a week job could be replaced with very little time and effort by a smarter and more efficient person - this is who you want to be This video promotes a bad attitude which gives the impression that a job isn’t of mutual benefit to both employer and employee. Nothing teaches you to value a good job like a serious threat of losing yours.
💯💯💯 good for them bc life is too short to be a slave. Those days are over and I am happy that gen z care less about money and more about quality of life.
@@tommiegirl2441gen z busting their ass working 70 hour weeks can’t afford a house after your generation and the ones before ruined the housing market with your greed
This happened to me years ago, but I did tell them It's going to take a lot longer to complete my job since I am doing more work, needless to say they didn't give me anything that was time sensitive, so it worked to my advantage that time and made my job less stressful.
Increased responsibilities requires increased compensation. Never do work for free. Dont work off the clock. And balance your work life with time off (regularly scheduled days off, vacation, etc.)
Companies have been doing this for an insanely long time. People put their job on a pedestal above their own lives and dignity. Now you have more options.
"I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTE!" "What?" "Yeah, I volunteer to be one of the six who are laid off. I'll get a severance package, right?" "Well..." "Yeah, and since I refuse to work for a reduction in pay..." "No, you won't be getting less money." "Except, I will, because you'll give me more work, which will require more hours, but at the same amount of daily pay, means I'm being paid less per hour, while having to do more work, facing more stress, more burn-out, and more temptation to DO SOMETHING about it, all with LESS ACTUAL HOURLY PAY. So, no, I'm not going to do that. I will take the severance package and go." "But, you're our most competent employee. You do all your assigned work right the first time, never missing a deadline. You're NOT on the list of lay-offs." "Well, you'd better PUT ME ON THE LIST, because I refuse to take on more work for less pay. If you want to PAY ME WHAT I AM WORTH, I would consider staying, assuming that the added work is NOT overwhelming, and that I can still maintain a reasonable amount of life/work balance, as well as more PTO to help deal with the stress of the added workload." "Nobody is getting more PTO. In fact, anyone below a managerial level..." "Oh, you did not just start to say that you're taking away PTO. Well, it doesn't matter TO ME, because I'm being laid off, anyway." "No, you're not on the list for the lay-offs. You're an excellent worker. Your quality is top-notch, and we need you here. We need you to provide that same level of quality to the increased workload." "You keep talking, but you don't listen. Either lay me off, or fire me for not doing my work, because I REFUSE TO DO MORE WORK THAN I AM CURRENTLY HANDLING. Either way, I'll get unemployment, at least." "But, we don't want you to leave. We want you to stay, and handle the increased workload. at your current excellent standard of quality." " "But you don't want to PAY ME for handling the increased workload at the excellent standard of quality." "Well, yes." "You get what you pay for. If you don't lay me off, then I will either do EXACTLY the same amount of work I am doing right now, at my excellent standard of quality, OR, I will do the additional workload, but all in the same amount of time, meaning that I maintain my hourly pay, by doing more in less time." "That's great! That's what I want to hear." "But doing it in a hurry will inevitably lead to a downturn in quality." "No, see, we want to keep YOU, because of your high quality product." "But you refuse to PAY for the high quality product." "No, we're paying you to perform at the same level of quality you are, right now." "Except you're giving me more work, without more pay, so my only option is to lower the quality, in order to get it all done in the same amount of time, so as to maintain my hourly rate of pay." "Nononono. You are supposed to take on the extra work, with a smile, and do it, to the same quality. Just put in some extra hours, to show your loyalty to the company." "And what is the company doing to show their loyalty to me?" "We're keeping you on. You're not on the list for lay-offs." "I volunteer for a layoff." "But, we don't want to lay you off!" "And I don't want to work more for less pay." "But, your contract states that you WILL take on more work as requested and required." "My contract states that I CAN LEAVE, because I am NOT your slave and legal property." "Well..." "Uh huh." "But..." "Figure it out for yourself. Pay me my worth, or don't pay me at all. There is no Door #3." "OK, so, the six people ON THE LIST will be let go, and their workloads will be divided up amongst all the other workers, EXCEPT VERONICA." All the other workers: "Oh, hell no! That's EVEN MORE extra work for no more pay! I VOLUNTEER FOR TRIBUTE!" "No,! FIRE ME!" "I DEMAND TO BE LAID OFF FIRST!"
As long as those necessary other duties fit between my clearly specified start & end times, and around my legally mandated lunch & break times, then bring them on. Before I was flexible. But if you’re gonna start bringing up contracts, then I’m gonna have to start working the contractually specified hours.
This happened at my old job. Being single and childless, I took one for the team and resigned, hoping that it'd spare at least one of my other coworkers with a family. No. They got cut one after the other after in a span of 5 months. Our once 10-member team has 3 people in it left. Half our responsibilities got moved to another team and surprise, that team started hiring to handle what we worked on. 2 of my old team that got redundiated got rehired. Everyone else is doing okay. They are still hiring for the positions we filled. Those seats were empty for half a year.
I don’t blame him. But he should have stayed, if he could, and started looking for better opportunities. But Bailing, because responsibilities are being added, will not look good if the new employers check.
The next day, just let the answering machine take care of things, then date the pretty girl at the restaurant next door and invite her in to watch Kung fu movies.
If these managers would cut the lying euphemistic bullshit and just be honest their employees, they would respect them so much more. Imagine this… “Guys this fucking sucks. Corporate is cutting jobs and 6 of you are going to be fired. I am so sorry. None of you deserve this. The rest of you will have to take on all their extra work with no pay increase at all because this is a naked attempt to grab more profits. I’m fucking livid and I made my objections known. I don’t care if it means my job as well. I hate when we get treated like expendable chattel, and when that happens I will always advocate for you. Again, this sucks and I wish there was something I could do. Totally understand if you need to look elsewhere, know you can always count on me for a positive review. If you choose to stay I’ll continue to support you, just understand it’s gonna be more work and probably mandatory OT just so the execs can get their annual bonuses. Please don’t shoot the messenger.”
Someone else uses "chattel" in a sentence!!👍🏽 So nice to see. I was thinking I was the only who still used it on occasion. Does my old mind good to see.
In my experience the way to go is to keep your mouth shut and start applying elsewhere while quiet quitting the current spot. This kind of thing is why it is way better to job hop every 2-3 years these days
They did that in a company i worked for a decade ago. I took the whole it-support team with me. They lost a couple hundred thousand euros in external support costs. Most of it to the company we went to ;) Still working there. Old company is still paying us through the nose after trying to reestablish their own it-support team under the same c*nt of a manager twice...
I can only do a certain amount of work per hour, I am going to need overtime. If you can’t pay for that then all you will get are the hours assigned for work, thank you.
Where I used to work we had 19 staff in our department. After redundancies we had 11 by lunchtime. Our manager offered to buy pizza and we explained we were all too busy to worry about eating, what with the extra workload.
Normally, back when, i would just purposely slow down my production pace & take far longer restroom breaks when they would cut stuff & expect us to do more. 😊
No... this one is too easy. I would nod and smile and go back to my desk. I wouldn't bust my butt any more or less than I already do at work - I'm an hourly employee, so it wouldn't pay to do so (besides, I work hard already because I like my job). I still would not work one minute of overtime unless it was scheduled and I was getting paid for it. Last minute emergencies would still have to fit my definition of "emergency." And I'd be looking for a new job, because I wouldn't be hopeful for my future if my company cut roughly 30% of my department. But I wouldn't paint a target on my back for the higher ups to take aim at by asking for more compensation after they've just cut 6 people. 😂😂😂
A good manager ensures that the work load is manageable and not overbearing for its employees, at times boundaries must be pushed but always tries to ensure efficiency, productivity and manageable workloads An incompetent managers tells its employees to “figure it out. And keep it 8 hours, no paid OT”
See the way you get through to them on that one is simple.... Wait until they get rid of everyone they want rid of.... Then all remaining employees quit the following day. No call no show no notice no nothing.... Sure they'll scramble to hire NEW people.... But in the meantime they will be loosing money like a leaky radiator and none of the new people know what to do and there is nobody to train them.... Therefore if not killing the business for sure bringing it down far enough to make them regret their previous actions 😂
I get the point, but why bother with questions? Obviously this company is not doing well if they pull this stuff without compensating their staff for a known reduction in workforce. Start looking for a new job OR take advantage of the new paradigm and do the bare minimum.
Nah man, companies will do this after a record year in profits. Labor is the #1 recurring cost of a business. Having fewer people do the same amount of work is the quickest way to inflate those profits, and you inflate it even more if the remaining employees can be guilted into doing it without an increase in pay.
Yep. Your co-worker called in tonight and we couldn't get anyone to cover for her so you'll be doing your 8-hours of work as well as her 8-hours, you won't receive any extra compensation nor will you be allowed to work over and claim any overtime. Have a great night. GO TEAM!!!
Nah, start sending out resumes, pay off as much debt as you can, so if you get laid off you can take unemployment. Your former company will HATE that because it dings their unemployment insurance, causes their rate to go up. 😊
I'm a property manager and my maintenance guy quit. I then started doing some of his duties. Picking up trash, fixing what I can etc...after 3 weeks in an email to my boss and HR I asked for additional pay or bonus until they find someone. She came back with "you are salary and I don't have the authority to give you a raise or bonus but I do appreciate you".
@@lisalee2885 then you say, "Unfortunately since we have not changed the nature of my job with reasonable compensation, I refuse to do janitorial work. Moving forward, all complaints regarding maintenance will be handled by you, since you have the authority to make changes in this regard."
@@lisalee2885that’s when you report it directly to the department of labor for wage theft as janitorial work is not an exempt field for salary not paying OT benefits You’ll get your money back, protection from being fired, and extra money for damages
Happened at my prev job 😂 the company was small and the boss / employer couldn't hire all the necessary staff to do the proper jobs, like no HR staff, no staff to properly keep the policies up to date, so he relied on us. He paid us to do admin and we ended up doing everything else too, half the team left.
I have never seen any company or management discussing anything like this before the layoffs and neither any discussions after that. Its the work just divided among the left over people in the team without any pre information also they never ask teams opinions in the management decisions.
At my first job they had me doing 2 peoples job for 15 an hour bi weekly. I did it for 2.5 years bc I wanted to help out thinking it'll pay off but when I finally refused they still made me do it. At the end they never gave me a raise or promotion and I ended up getting fired due to coming in late bc of all the disrespect and being overworked
@@iskrajackal9049 Especially in bigger companies it's always an "abusive relationship". You may not get any bruises or scars from cigarette burns but your soul will get crushed either way.
Thats pretty spot on. At least, to the idea that they WOULD waste company time to explain this. They usually just speak this bull$#!t only when you ASK why you're told to carry the weight if staff positions no longer present . . . then they take the PTO, or go home EARLY, before they ignore your emails.
Not really. Only wimps think that way. Smart people will see the leverage. They let six go and plan on dumping the work on the ones left. I'm sure they didn't let any good employees go so this is the time to stand up and demand better or leave. Employers treat people this way because people accept this type of treatment
The discinnect in the minds of management is real and it is insane. Exactly how do you exoect this to work? If I take on more work from someone else... BOTH will suffer in quality as I still only have a fixed amount of time. More money doesnt change that but it offsets the suckage at least.
Thing is the "toxic manager" in this case is usually a middle manager who has zero say in the matter. Having an attitude and complaining about how unfair it is to them is almost as bad as a customer blaming front line staff for company policy.
Don't fool yourself. Middle management isn't innocent at all. They might not have any say in the decision, but they will absolutely be complicit in it in some way. And guaranteed 'middle management' isn't going to pick up even the tiniest fraction of the additional strain.
@@xaenon That's just straight up untrue. Often times it works like this: Big boss announces cuts that the middle manager has no say in, middle manager has to manage less people in doing the same amount of work and has to deal with the stress of still trying to hit normal targets, manager is consistently grilled about the numbers from the upper tier while the lower tier whines about how unfair it is.
@@RagingCookie127this. As a previous middle manager who just quit for this exact thing happening. Over the last 6 months the CEO and PE firm cut many jobs and allowed key players to leave while offering no raises over the past 3 years. Each and every bit of bad news I had to deliver to my team and deal with the stress of being responsible for all the work getting done while my team (who I fought for and absolutely deserved raises and additional comp because they busted their asses for the largest client the company had) whined, threatened strikes, and were 100% right to do so. I couldn’t be happier I’m out. But middle management believe it or not has souls and we typically want our teams to be happy. It’s VERY likely we have no say in the matter and get squished with the pressures of both sides.
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Unrealistic. In reality, this meeting would never happen, you'd be lucky to even get an email.
Depends on if you belong to a union or not. What your union contract is. I’ve been on both sides, this is not an endorsement of unions or argument against them. Both situations have their good and bad points.
This woman's whole shtick is based in non-reality. This is low level power fantasy for desk jockeys that are overpaid for what they do to begin with.
Why am I here if I don't like her """"content"""" you may ask? Good question, I put this channel on the do not recommend list but once you click on one of these slops it follows you to the grave
What usually happens is they quietly lay off people. Managers then come around and start requesting more work out of the remaining employees.
My suggestion: always have 4 recruiters on speed dial.
@@Eluderatnightexactly
@@pariahlord3540 Funny , though, how this has actually happened to a lot of people. I came back from vacation, there was a meeting to tell us all of our hours were being cut, but we were still required to do ALL of our respective jobs. Things like this are not fantasy, they happen all the time.
Quiet quitting will double starting tomorrow
Quiet quitting sounds like a good idea, but in reality it'll only hurt you and your career. Find something you enjoy doing and then figure out how to make money doing it.
@@technobabble77 It doesn't if you do it right. Start having interviews for other jobs immediately and do the bare minimum.
@@technobabble77doesn't work, when you mix hobby, for example, with stressful elements of business, you'll start to hate it...
Not real, the girl asking this would have been fired lol
Not necessarily. Oh.. it depends which country you're in.
@@msbealo if your doing lay offs I would be surprised any other country to keep her.
Oh absolutely not. This girl would have a very clear cut lawsuit against the company so firing her outright wouldnt happen
@@plaguedoctor917 if they are laying a bunch of people off, and your a pain in the ass. Your getting laid off
Everyone else would have gotten an email
Also the CEO is getting a 50 million dollar bonus.
Companies do this all the time and then wonder why people engage in acting their wage or, as management likes to call it, "quiet quitting". If you lay people off to save money, that better be because the department is under-utilized or I'm following right along with them to get a position somewhere that isn't overburdening me with work at no additional pay so the managers can justify their yearly bonus.
Then they wonder why "NoBoDy WaNtS tO wOrK aNyMoRe"
Exactly. When covid happened and people got to work from home or were locked down, they had time to think and take a step back. People realized life is too short for this crap. And I say good! Figure out whats best for you and your family and do that. Nothing anyone else says matters. I wish everyone the best. Its hard but we can do it. Just need a plan.
Whoever asks questions is labeled the “troublemaker.”
As soon as it gets busy, the managers always have something to do
It was the “my door MAY be open this afternoon” that got me 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
Was in a job that did this. My team amd I let things slide and deadlines not met because of the extra work.
Management was seething and knew they could not fire all of our team or their clients would lose it.
6 months after realizing the threats, passive agression amd coercion was not working, managememt finally hired new people to handle the workload.
After 3 months of training the newbies, my coworker and I left to better opportunities with a 35% increase in salary.
I found out later that two of the toxic senior managers in that company (who were nothing but bullies making vile decisions in the workplace) were fired for gross misconduct.
The company approached me to fill one of their roles. I declined. Never working for a company like that. It was riddled with bad managers and abuse enablers.
My hospital chain keeps cutting support staff and dumping their duties on the nurses who are trying to do patient care, then expecting the nursing staff to be more responsive to the patients. Then giving extra pay during Covid to every department except nursing. Guess what they got…..pizza. And several died from Covid because they were worked like crazy. Then administration scratches their head and are trying to figure out why there’s a 60% staff turnover and they can’t get nurses to accept a job with them. Thank God I became disabled right before Covid. I was already doing three people’s jobs because they didn’t want to spend the money. It worsened my health so I got out. And so glad I had paid for long term disability insurance.
Ah, the old pizza trick. Did they put on extra pepperoni?
@@slc1161 Was this a larges central PA hospital that just recently was gobbled up by a very large western US hospital chain whose name rhymes with 'riser' ?
dont forget that this toxic managers are also just employees with upper management bosses that they just also follow
Ok and? Do better
@@Cherryblossoms110she works for the company, not you, grow up and start your own company or stop expecting someone who is trying to live their dream care about yours
@@JayBiz-k3nfound the C suite
@@JayBiz-k3n nasty angry response…maybe go for a walk or something.
That is when the remaining staff all email their resignations to HR
That is dumb, just continue to do "your" job. If it all goes to hell in a handbasket--so be it. Polish up the resume. Use all your PTO. Leave on your terms. If they fire you, they will have to pay unemployment. This is not about your feelings, this is about your money
@@THE-id1by You might think it's dumb but I've seen it happen. Company I worked for was terrible for the way they treated employees. Before xmas one year they fired a bunch of people then decided since Dec 23rd was a pay day not to pay the employees. To their shock the owners came in on the 24th to find a stack of resignations from the entire staff. Fortunately enough for me I left that company a year earlier. I helped as many of my former co workers get jobs as I could. But sometimes it is better to get out before it all burns down around you. You don't want to be the ones to show up to work & the place is locked up & a notice is on the door. It's better to go out on your terms. When it is 1 person quits then an employer can simply tell anyone calling in reference to hiring that person they were a bad employee but when 90 people walk out all at once it speaks volumes about the employer. Oh I was a manager there I got out because I saw the writing on the wall & got most of my former staff jobs at other companies I had connections with so they wouldn't be there when it all went titts up.
People I knew in other departments I gave leads to & referrals to when they all walked out.
It's about being dumped on for the CEO's profit margin. Those golden parachutes don't build themselves.
Lol 😂 suuuuure that happens
@@seditiouswalrus I've seen it happen when owner goes off the rails screwing their employees. The owner of that company learned don't piss in peoples corn flakes the day before xmas.
Why does it feel like CEOs have all seen the same dystopian future movie and thought "what a perfect utopia"?
They all are perfect utopias. For them. Existing on the backs of everyone else.
When the manager indicated she was taking "PTO" (Personal Time Off?), I immediately wondered if this meant that, in fact, she had some job interviews since she realizes that the ship is sinking.
PTO = paid time off (ie vacation)
Yup!!!!
Management is where they put the least competent employees
EXACTLY the conversation I had with my manager a week ago. When people quit, they don't hire for the job and then act like the remaining employees are lazy or demanding or unrealistic.......Thank you for this post.
In this situation, do your bare minimum and your full hours. NO MORE!!!
Additional duties as required should not be allowed. It is too open for abuse by the employer.
I'll take the job, but only if they add in a clause "additional benefits as required"
Exactly
Oh yeah the CEO's just rented a VIP-lodge in the stadium and bought a membership in a casino and his son's getting a G-wagon for his 16.
When the management destroys morale , alot less work gets done.
This has been the strategy for corporate restaurants for years. That's why it's struggling now.
So this is the time to get CV updated and look for another job. Often, when this sort of thing happens, managers are really surprised that half the staff left get new jobs within 6 months.
This is literally every American corporate Karen manager. 😂
Meetings like this are the reason why I kept my resumé updated.
LOL, where I worked they fired a secretary, months later the supply drawers were empty and invoices were not sent out. The manager never had this meeting and half the employees was unaware the person had been let go.
Disgustingly familiar. The whole "well your contract does state" may as well be "remember, you signed your life away because when we draw up contracts we make sure to trap our employees". My heart goes out to everyone having no choice but to remain in a toxic environment.
No. When they pull this crap I slow down so none of the extra duties get done. When they whine I tell them I simply didn't have time to get to it. If they say then I have to stay late I tell them no I won't be doing that because I'd be having to stay late every day because they've literally given me two peoples jobs to do and there simply isn't enough time to finish it all in an eight hour day, and I am not ok with staying late every day so I won't even get that started.
Veronica be acting like her manager own the company 😂 She is just the mouth piece for the big wigs calling the shots and screwing the little man over.
When I was a young guy (20) in the mid 80s a distribution company I worked for did this to us. Increased our labor 30%. No extra salary. I was making $5 an hour. I had no financial obligations so I instantly quit and walked out.
Bold move at that time, unemployment was high during Reagan time.
@@boristheamerican2938 If you are single, you have no credit, no mortgage, etc, it's easier than you imagine. You can find another job. Nobody owns you. That is the beauty of it.
I always like how employees think that management actually cares. Hint, they don't
Typical, when managers don't want to deal with things, they either are hard to find in the office or they take pto for a week.
Employees get cut but managers remain. If anything the number of managers double.
the more work they expect of an ever-diminishing number of workers, the more managers will be required to keep the lower-level workers in line.
me: "just throw them on the list of things to get done and i'll get them done when i get to them during my hours, no i'm not doing any unpaid overtime, leave my office or i'll lose track of three hours of work." worked everytime and they kept me till i quit.
Yeah, I'm doing the duties I'm paid to do. If you lay off people, that's on you to figure out how that extra work will get done.
These companies don’t care that they are setting themselves up for high turnover and a bad reputation. Oh well.
Who cares, they can get away with anything
This shit happens everyday and HR does nothing then they go on PTO
Good news Veronica, you won’t have to worry about additional duties.
Your fired too, Veronica.
@@cpK054L My pleasure. ive had four other jobs make me an offer with better hours and better pay already. YTou were already short staffed.. Now you are VERY short staffed...
"No additional compensation" = screwed.
This exact situation happened at my Wife’s previous job, where she was a Team Leader. Within 4 months, my wife and 4 other Team Leaders had resigned and totally unsuitable people had been to fill the roles.
Literally just had this happen to us. I'm in healthcare.
I ain't gonna lie this the realist shit I've ever seen in my life
A meeting that would not happen. In my company they would cut the staff and expect everyone to pick up the slack without it even being said.
These meetings happen and sometimes they don’t. Depends on the crappiness of the company.
That PTO at the end was too real.
Yup 100% Spot On
Never enable this kind of behavior by picking up the slack due to cutting hours. Managers do this to get a bonus and expect eveyone to work harder without compensation. Not okay.
You agreed to do it when you signed your contract. It’s usually in the job description so you can’t be mad when they’re asking you to live up to expectations you agreed to.
@@PureBusiness-ef7xunot everything you sign is justiciable. Let's say they write a clause stating that 'by signing you agree to be slave of the company' does this mean they can actually make you slave?😂😂
@@PureBusiness-ef7xuand they agree to compensate you justly in the same contract, want to double my workload, you double my pay.
Otherwise you’re just ripping me off and I’ll blast your company for the world to see
As a consultant or contractor I cannot stress for all of you to be hyper critical of that one line item in your job description that says *may perform other addititional duties as required* or something of that nature. Especially if you are in cybersecurity or tech to avoid doing "security architect" level work at the salary rate of a "security analyst."
That said, thank me by liking my comment and paying it forward by educating your peers to take our power back, including, tilt the salary requirements back in our favor to be compensated fairly. You're welcome. 😎✌🏾
These companies don't care about the employees from what i've experienced, its all about cutting costs and expecting workers to go above and beyond what they're being paid. Its nonsense. I don't blame people who do only what is required of them, if their pay doesn't increase, neither should their workload.
Sad thing is, there will always be large pool of fools dumb enough to do the extra work thinking they have to bear it...
@@Morpheus-pt3wq😢 that is us sadlt
@@Morpheus-pt3wq true, the toxic culture within workplaces promotes that thing of "put up & shut up" which is why employers get away with this shit.
Most people don’t even know what hard work is. I doubt you are even working hard in the first place
Welcome to the real world. Act like this - lose your job in double quick time. 😅
I am once again made aware that I have an amazing boss that respects my time, pays me well and helps me meaningfully grow
Decades ago I worked for an administrator and my particular job ran on a quarterly cycle. 2 months out of the three I worked overtime Monday through Thursday. The remaining month I caught up on grunt work I ignored while busy.
Quit 8 days before my first son was born but told them ahead of time I wasn't coming back.
Trained my replacement for 3 months. She quit 2 months after I did because it was too much work for 1 person and the low salary.
They ended up replacing her with 2 people.
So for 8 years I was doing the job of 2 people and getting one salary.
So glad people are getting smarter and not letting companies walk all over them.
I'm a Boomer and we stayed with horrible employers because there were so many of us we knew we could be replaced in a few days.
The universal excuses of poor leadership are:
- “but it’s just part of the job” (most abused of these)
- “but you are salaried not hourly and we need someone to stay late”
- “contract says duties as assigned” (second most abused of this list)
- “I can’t offer overtime or raises in pay due to budget issues.” (Can afford pizza parties and taking elaborate personal time off though)
- “Need you to be on call. Job requirement. No extra pay. Just part of the job.” (Working IT, this excuse is highly common)
Quit a job like this had to fight for 6 months to even get my severance pay
This happens a lot. I must have experienced this about 4 times in my career. Now retired thank God.
In the real world, this of course would be following the fact that several employees were let go last year, with their duties being divided among the remaining employees, who never got compensated for those extra duties then. And now are being asked to take on the extra duties again this year with no extra compensation. And those employees can expect to do the same next year when a few other employees are let go and their duties are again divided among the remaining without compensation.
Until there is just one employee doing everything for no extra compensation.
Pay raises and promotions are given to high performers who take on responsibility. People leaving is as much an opportunity as it is a burden. I’ve seen a lot of people leave who’s 40 hr a week job could be replaced with very little time and effort by a smarter and more efficient person - this is who you want to be
This video promotes a bad attitude which gives the impression that a job isn’t of mutual benefit to both employer and employee. Nothing teaches you to value a good job like a serious threat of losing yours.
My boss would have a stack of resignation on his desk when he got back from PTO.
This is the crap GenZ is having none of. They’ll just quit and live in their van if they have to. God BLESS those GenZ bastards! 🥰
💯💯💯 good for them bc life is too short to be a slave. Those days are over and I am happy that gen z care less about money and more about quality of life.
Lol... and if they want to live in their van, so be it. I like my house. 😂😂😂
@@tommiegirl2441gen z busting their ass working 70 hour weeks can’t afford a house after your generation and the ones before ruined the housing market with your greed
I’d like to thank everyone for being here at this mandatory meeting😂. It is funny cause it is true
This happened to me years ago, but I did tell them It's going to take a lot longer to complete my job since I am doing more work, needless to say they didn't give me anything that was time sensitive, so it worked to my advantage that time and made my job less stressful.
Yessir 😂
Increased responsibilities requires increased compensation. Never do work for free. Dont work off the clock. And balance your work life with time off (regularly scheduled days off, vacation, etc.)
Thanks for sharing
Companies have been doing this for an insanely long time. People put their job on a pedestal above their own lives and dignity.
Now you have more options.
Modern employers try running out as much work out of employees as they possibly can
Her door may be be open😅
"I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTE!"
"What?"
"Yeah, I volunteer to be one of the six who are laid off. I'll get a severance package, right?"
"Well..."
"Yeah, and since I refuse to work for a reduction in pay..."
"No, you won't be getting less money."
"Except, I will, because you'll give me more work, which will require more hours, but at the same amount of daily pay, means I'm being paid less per hour, while having to do more work, facing more stress, more burn-out, and more temptation to DO SOMETHING about it, all with LESS ACTUAL HOURLY PAY. So, no, I'm not going to do that. I will take the severance package and go."
"But, you're our most competent employee. You do all your assigned work right the first time, never missing a deadline. You're NOT on the list of lay-offs."
"Well, you'd better PUT ME ON THE LIST, because I refuse to take on more work for less pay. If you want to PAY ME WHAT I AM WORTH, I would consider staying, assuming that the added work is NOT overwhelming, and that I can still maintain a reasonable amount of life/work balance, as well as more PTO to help deal with the stress of the added workload."
"Nobody is getting more PTO. In fact, anyone below a managerial level..."
"Oh, you did not just start to say that you're taking away PTO. Well, it doesn't matter TO ME, because I'm being laid off, anyway."
"No, you're not on the list for the lay-offs. You're an excellent worker. Your quality is top-notch, and we need you here. We need you to provide that same level of quality to the increased workload."
"You keep talking, but you don't listen. Either lay me off, or fire me for not doing my work, because I REFUSE TO DO MORE WORK THAN I AM CURRENTLY HANDLING. Either way, I'll get unemployment, at least."
"But, we don't want you to leave. We want you to stay, and handle the increased workload. at your current excellent standard of quality."
"
"But you don't want to PAY ME for handling the increased workload at the excellent standard of quality."
"Well, yes."
"You get what you pay for. If you don't lay me off, then I will either do EXACTLY the same amount of work I am doing right now, at my excellent standard of quality, OR, I will do the additional workload, but all in the same amount of time, meaning that I maintain my hourly pay, by doing more in less time."
"That's great! That's what I want to hear."
"But doing it in a hurry will inevitably lead to a downturn in quality."
"No, see, we want to keep YOU, because of your high quality product."
"But you refuse to PAY for the high quality product."
"No, we're paying you to perform at the same level of quality you are, right now."
"Except you're giving me more work, without more pay, so my only option is to lower the quality, in order to get it all done in the same amount of time, so as to maintain my hourly rate of pay."
"Nononono. You are supposed to take on the extra work, with a smile, and do it, to the same quality. Just put in some extra hours, to show your loyalty to the company."
"And what is the company doing to show their loyalty to me?"
"We're keeping you on. You're not on the list for lay-offs."
"I volunteer for a layoff."
"But, we don't want to lay you off!"
"And I don't want to work more for less pay."
"But, your contract states that you WILL take on more work as requested and required."
"My contract states that I CAN LEAVE, because I am NOT your slave and legal property."
"Well..."
"Uh huh."
"But..."
"Figure it out for yourself. Pay me my worth, or don't pay me at all. There is no Door #3."
"OK, so, the six people ON THE LIST will be let go, and their workloads will be divided up amongst all the other workers, EXCEPT VERONICA."
All the other workers: "Oh, hell no! That's EVEN MORE extra work for no more pay! I VOLUNTEER FOR TRIBUTE!" "No,! FIRE ME!" "I DEMAND TO BE LAID OFF FIRST!"
I can't believe I read this entire thing. I have to memorize it for my job 😂
😂😂😂😂 no door # 3
Current situation at my job and I’m not working any harder. I do my part. They fired people and are now reducing hours. 2 week notices are rampant 😅
The 2 weeks notice shouldn't even be given, they should just leave
Gotta love that line in a job description. In any other duties deem necessary
As long as those necessary other duties fit between my clearly specified start & end times, and around my legally mandated lunch & break times, then bring them on.
Before I was flexible. But if you’re gonna start bringing up contracts, then I’m gonna have to start working the contractually specified hours.
@@hibernopithecus7500 exactly
@@hibernopithecus7500and as long as they’re within my job discription.
You start havin me do management work, better give me management pay
- Any question?
- Yes. I'm the 7th to resign.
Nono. Wait until they are let go first. THEN you resign. Otherwise, you could be the sixth instead of the seventh.
Sigh!!!!😩 This hits home hard! I'm glad I'm retired and do not work for a soulless organization any longer.
I'm getting ready to retire myself and I'm really looking forward to it...after years of putting up with toxic, shitty, unprofessional managers...
This happened at my brother's office.He was a smart one that volunteered to be laid off first
This happened at my old job. Being single and childless, I took one for the team and resigned, hoping that it'd spare at least one of my other coworkers with a family. No. They got cut one after the other after in a span of 5 months. Our once 10-member team has 3 people in it left.
Half our responsibilities got moved to another team and surprise, that team started hiring to handle what we worked on. 2 of my old team that got redundiated got rehired. Everyone else is doing okay. They are still hiring for the positions we filled. Those seats were empty for half a year.
I don’t blame him. But he should have stayed, if he could, and started looking for better opportunities.
But Bailing, because responsibilities are being added, will not look good if the new employers check.
The next day, just let the answering machine take care of things, then date the pretty girl at the restaurant next door and invite her in to watch Kung fu movies.
If these managers would cut the lying euphemistic bullshit and just be honest their employees, they would respect them so much more. Imagine this…
“Guys this fucking sucks. Corporate is cutting jobs and 6 of you are going to be fired. I am so sorry. None of you deserve this. The rest of you will have to take on all their extra work with no pay increase at all because this is a naked attempt to grab more profits. I’m fucking livid and I made my objections known. I don’t care if it means my job as well. I hate when we get treated like expendable chattel, and when that happens I will always advocate for you. Again, this sucks and I wish there was something I could do. Totally understand if you need to look elsewhere, know you can always count on me for a positive review. If you choose to stay I’ll continue to support you, just understand it’s gonna be more work and probably mandatory OT just so the execs can get their annual bonuses. Please don’t shoot the messenger.”
Someone else uses "chattel" in a sentence!!👍🏽 So nice to see. I was thinking I was the only who still used it on occasion. Does my old mind good to see.
In my company the Veronicas are the first to get fired
Noone should hire a veronica
In my experience the way to go is to keep your mouth shut and start applying elsewhere while quiet quitting the current spot. This kind of thing is why it is way better to job hop every 2-3 years these days
@@ShadowXardas if you are treated wrong - leave.
They did that in a company i worked for a decade ago. I took the whole it-support team with me. They lost a couple hundred thousand euros in external support costs. Most of it to the company we went to ;) Still working there. Old company is still paying us through the nose after trying to reestablish their own it-support team under the same c*nt of a manager twice...
I can only do a certain amount of work per hour, I am going to need overtime. If you can’t pay for that then all you will get are the hours assigned for work, thank you.
Where I used to work we had 19 staff in our department. After redundancies we had 11 by lunchtime. Our manager offered to buy pizza and we explained we were all too busy to worry about eating, what with the extra workload.
Now that is classic trickle down economics.
Normally, back when, i would just purposely slow down my production pace & take far longer restroom breaks when they would cut stuff & expect us to do more. 😊
No... this one is too easy. I would nod and smile and go back to my desk. I wouldn't bust my butt any more or less than I already do at work - I'm an hourly employee, so it wouldn't pay to do so (besides, I work hard already because I like my job). I still would not work one minute of overtime unless it was scheduled and I was getting paid for it. Last minute emergencies would still have to fit my definition of "emergency." And I'd be looking for a new job, because I wouldn't be hopeful for my future if my company cut roughly 30% of my department. But I wouldn't paint a target on my back for the higher ups to take aim at by asking for more compensation after they've just cut 6 people. 😂😂😂
Oh man this is exactly what is happening now in my office 😢
Which is why you can phone a company and ask a question that no employee can answer
This is on the money, no pun intended.
A good manager ensures that the work load is manageable and not overbearing for its employees, at times boundaries must be pushed but always tries to ensure efficiency, productivity and manageable workloads
An incompetent managers tells its employees to “figure it out. And keep it 8 hours, no paid OT”
My micro manager was fond of this saying. As well as ‘it is what it is’ when questioned
See the way you get through to them on that one is simple.... Wait until they get rid of everyone they want rid of.... Then all remaining employees quit the following day. No call no show no notice no nothing.... Sure they'll scramble to hire NEW people.... But in the meantime they will be loosing money like a leaky radiator and none of the new people know what to do and there is nobody to train them.... Therefore if not killing the business for sure bringing it down far enough to make them regret their previous actions 😂
That might do damage, but it's not going to teach them a damned thing. This type of people is simply incapable of learning. 😑
Just unionize. You're describing a strike.
I get the point, but why bother with questions? Obviously this company is not doing well if they pull this stuff without compensating their staff for a known reduction in workforce. Start looking for a new job OR take advantage of the new paradigm and do the bare minimum.
Nah man, companies will do this after a record year in profits. Labor is the #1 recurring cost of a business. Having fewer people do the same amount of work is the quickest way to inflate those profits, and you inflate it even more if the remaining employees can be guilted into doing it without an increase in pay.
We're going to cut it here because I am BSing all of you and I can't handle being exposed anymore.
Yep. Your co-worker called in tonight and we couldn't get anyone to cover for her so you'll be doing your 8-hours of work as well as her 8-hours, you won't receive any extra compensation nor will you be allowed to work over and claim any overtime. Have a great night. GO TEAM!!!
If a company is failing this will happen. (If this meeting in reality would ever happen) you put in your notice and leave.
Nah, start sending out resumes, pay off as much debt as you can, so if you get laid off you can take unemployment. Your former company will HATE that because it dings their unemployment insurance, causes their rate to go up. 😊
I would definitely resign at that minute. She wouldn’t even have to keep talking 😂😂she would just see me get up and start walking 🚶🏾♀️
In California you can always say “Not when it is not part of the nature of my job”
I'm a property manager and my maintenance guy quit. I then started doing some of his duties. Picking up trash, fixing what I can etc...after 3 weeks in an email to my boss and HR I asked for additional pay or bonus until they find someone. She came back with "you are salary and I don't have the authority to give you a raise or bonus but I do appreciate you".
Oh and I should mention I now work 6-7 days a week even though I'm not doing 40 hours a week.
@@lisalee2885 then you say, "Unfortunately since we have not changed the nature of my job with reasonable compensation, I refuse to do janitorial work. Moving forward, all complaints regarding maintenance will be handled by you, since you have the authority to make changes in this regard."
@@lisalee2885that’s when you report it directly to the department of labor for wage theft as janitorial work is not an exempt field for salary not paying OT benefits
You’ll get your money back, protection from being fired, and extra money for damages
Errrybod is leaving 😂
Happened at my prev job 😂 the company was small and the boss / employer couldn't hire all the necessary staff to do the proper jobs, like no HR staff, no staff to properly keep the policies up to date, so he relied on us. He paid us to do admin and we ended up doing everything else too, half the team left.
I have never seen any company or management discussing anything like this before the layoffs and neither any discussions after that.
Its the work just divided among the left over people in the team without any pre information also they never ask teams opinions in the management decisions.
At my first job they had me doing 2 peoples job for 15 an hour bi weekly. I did it for 2.5 years bc I wanted to help out thinking it'll pay off but when I finally refused they still made me do it. At the end they never gave me a raise or promotion and I ended up getting fired due to coming in late bc of all the disrespect and being overworked
You love the company but it's unrequited love. He/she is only rinsing you
@@iskrajackal9049 Especially in bigger companies it's always an "abusive relationship". You may not get any bruises or scars from cigarette burns but your soul will get crushed either way.
Thats pretty spot on. At least, to the idea that they WOULD waste company time to explain this. They usually just speak this bull$#!t only when you ASK why you're told to carry the weight if staff positions no longer present . . . then they take the PTO, or go home EARLY, before they ignore your emails.
In reality if you talk that way to your manager you would be fired.
Absolutely that's why in this situation people very quickly look for othe work and quit instead. Then the managers need to start rehiring..
Not really. Only wimps think that way. Smart people will see the leverage. They let six go and plan on dumping the work on the ones left. I'm sure they didn't let any good employees go so this is the time to stand up and demand better or leave. Employers treat people this way because people accept this type of treatment
Depends on where you work.
My door might be open this afternoon 😂😂😂😂😂
The discinnect in the minds of management is real and it is insane. Exactly how do you exoect this to work? If I take on more work from someone else... BOTH will suffer in quality as I still only have a fixed amount of time. More money doesnt change that but it offsets the suckage at least.
My former supervisor made sure I got a promotion and pay raise
Employee lawyer would love to have Veronica as his Erin Brockovich
The only job I’ve ever had where taking on extra work meant more money was waiting tables.
Time to move on and look for an other job !
Thing is the "toxic manager" in this case is usually a middle manager who has zero say in the matter. Having an attitude and complaining about how unfair it is to them is almost as bad as a customer blaming front line staff for company policy.
Don't fool yourself. Middle management isn't innocent at all. They might not have any say in the decision, but they will absolutely be complicit in it in some way. And guaranteed 'middle management' isn't going to pick up even the tiniest fraction of the additional strain.
@@xaenon That's just straight up untrue. Often times it works like this: Big boss announces cuts that the middle manager has no say in, middle manager has to manage less people in doing the same amount of work and has to deal with the stress of still trying to hit normal targets, manager is consistently grilled about the numbers from the upper tier while the lower tier whines about how unfair it is.
@@RagingCookie127this. As a previous middle manager who just quit for this exact thing happening. Over the last 6 months the CEO and PE firm cut many jobs and allowed key players to leave while offering no raises over the past 3 years. Each and every bit of bad news I had to deliver to my team and deal with the stress of being responsible for all the work getting done while my team (who I fought for and absolutely deserved raises and additional comp because they busted their asses for the largest client the company had) whined, threatened strikes, and were 100% right to do so. I couldn’t be happier I’m out. But middle management believe it or not has souls and we typically want our teams to be happy. It’s VERY likely we have no say in the matter and get squished with the pressures of both sides.
Unfortunately this isn’t a toxic manager, this is just life.
Corporate life certainly
Yeah, not so much management as it is corporate/executive level decisions that unfortunately 1st line managers are forced to share and deal with.
Just because this is every manager doesn't mean it's not toxic, it just means all our jobs are toxic.
It's both
@@dissident1337 Exactly 😂