Great interview! In 1983, Air Force pilot at the 426th Fighter Squadron, I was the Chief of Aerial Comabt Tactics and Dissimilar Air Combat Tactics instructor and got selected to attend TopGun school. First flight at TG, got my ass handed to me on a BFM 1v1! These guys are good! learned alot. 2 years later, I was selected to the SR-71 and flew that great machine for 4 years. Thanks for that great interview Jocko
Good for you man! :-) My grandfather calibrated the instruments on that aircraft, the Shuttle, and many others out at Edwards as well. He passed away last week, God rest his soul! Skunk Works for Life!
This dude is humble, humble bragging for 37 minutes! What an accomplished pilot and amazing individual. Go see Top Gun Maverick. See it as it is - a movie, not a documentary. It’s a blast!
Thank you I was going to see it anyways because I grew up to top Gun and the other awesome movies like braveheart Rocky Rambo platoon so when I seen this advertised for the first time like 4 months ago it's been driving me crazy to see it. LoL
Saw it yesterday. One of, if not the best military movie I have seen. Unlike a lot of Hollywood movies, Top Gun was very patriotic, and the action flight scenes were real. Excellent movie!
I was at TopGun 1979-1983 and 1986-1988, as one of the 15 Marine enlisted working there at Miramar. Got qualified to fly backseat, ran the flight line, airframes, hydraulic shop, seat shop, power plant s and operation and logistics. Great six years of my 23 years in the Marine Corps.
This dude is the real frickin deal. I learned from the legendary Jerry Rice at football camp once, "When you're good at something, you'll tell others. When you're excellent at something, others will say it for you." 🇺🇸 Thank you both for your service, legends. 💯
I couldn't stop smiling while watching this movie in the theater. This is really a masterpiece! Top Gun Maverick is the Best movie I've seen this year!
I was smiling and rolling my eyes at the corny ass rips from the original, but I still think it’s one of the best sequels ever made. It still has the right spirit, and was bigger. It was so cool to revisit after, what, 30/40 years, and see their stories wrapped up beautifully. Most sequels come too soon and shit the bed. Doesn’t hurt that Tom Cruise is a vampire.
Having served with Dave in the USMC...he was an amazing officer to be around. I served with him at ANGLICO...truly a great professional and even better man.
Finally saw this movie last weekend, loved it. Way better than the original, IMO. Thing is, they don't make movies like this anymore. Practical effects, a tough-guy hero who doesn't get gutted by the writers, no politics... loved it. Wish Hollywood would do more of this.
I don't really think TGM fits *quite* in that mold given so much of the movie is explicitly focused on Maverick's vulnerabilities, uncertainty about his future and his survivor's guilt. I'm not really sure they were trying to portray him as a stereotypical tough guy as much as someone trying to navigate both the march of time and his own life. In that sense it's a different thing than 80s/90s action heroes who were often... let's say, less concerned about character depth. But I absolutely agree that it was a great film and the focus on practical effects was refreshing.
@@mobiusflammel9372 I largely agree -- - by "tough guy" I didn't mean to imply an invulnerable hero. I meant a classic masculine hero who hasn't been ripped apart and "put in his place" by the writers.
This was one of the best interviews I’ve seen in a while. The fact that one of the best Jet fighter pilots is such an actual fan of the Top Gun movies is awesome 😎
BTW another anecdote -- I was an F-16 instructor at Luke AFB. We would occasionally bring a few jets to Fallon to fight the Top Gun students. The guys at Fallon run a class act and just the brief before the fight is the stuff of legends. My first fight was against a couple students in a Rhino and it was like shooting fish in a barrel. My 2nd fight was against an older and lighter F-16 flown by one of their instructors. An hour later we're in the bar debriefing the mission and I was the fish in the barrel, it's amazing how an incredible pilot can make a good pilot look plain-old bad (and I was in my main jet, the instructor who smoked me basically flew F-16s in his spare time). Great school and great movie.
Thanks for sharing that, Mike! It's cool to read these comments from folks who've been there. I've always dreamed of being a fighter pilot, but life took me a different way. I still fly in planes but they usually have Southwest written on the side and I'm simply a passenger. I've been considering signing up for classes at a local airport to learn to fly. There are a lot of people (like myself) who read stories like this in awe.
I got to say over the last few months I've been watching F-16 and F-35s come out of Luke AFB and sometimes the maneuvers those jets do get me stairing hard. Like did I just see that. Seen one F35 pull off the runway roll 90 degrees and sat there for 3 seconds..
Flares can't stop a radar guided SAM. A plane at hypersonic speed can't maneuver. Why don't just use cruise missiles to take out that kind of target? There's a lot of basic inaccuracies in the movie. They could do the exact same thing on the movie showing the real thing, it seems that some people are just lazy to think about how to do it.
It couldn't have gotten any better - a highly experienced top-notch Navy SEAL interviewing a real-life TopGun instructor - a fighter jet super pilot...Thank you, Jocko and David-absolutely an amazing episode just like all the others served to us by Jocko and his team. Wish our politicians were a bit more like you...Sounds like a wishful thinking, I know...Loved how Jocko was bantering David slightly ("Humblebrag".) David's skillset and resolve are mind-boggling and a very humbling experience to discover, as most people have difficulty operating a vehicle let alone piloting a supersonic aircraft loaded with sensitive and ultramodern technology. I cannot wrap my brains around how much actual knowledge, endurance and so much more it takes to just be able to fly one particular type of aircraft, to navigate and engage other skilled pilots successfully...This guy is qualified to pilot 4! types of fighter jets...Awesome episode-inspiring and humbling...
Big deal. I drive a forklift for a living. Moving goods that benefit society. All he did, was train misguided young men to kill people. Innocent civilians mostly at that.
My dad was a missile analyst with Top Gun when it started. Worked with F-14 thru F-18. He got to tell them if it was pilot error, missile error or plane error. He spent 25 yrs doing this after 24 yrs as ECM/navigator in the Air Force. My younger son watched the original movie so many times, it drove his brother crazy, but my dad enjoyed it, even if it was a movie. My older son got to go inside a TG meeting once as a kid. I told his teachers if he draws pics of bombs & missiles , don't worry because that's what his grandpa worked with. I went to see the new movie & got choked up thru out thinking about my dad & also we worked with family services all the time & you know what it's like when you lose a crew. I thought it was fantastic & I think my Dad would have too!
The only reason i ve seen the movie in my living room all by myself is cause i knew i am gonna burst into a lot of tears remembering the boy i was back then on the 1st Top Gun and the people actors used to be back then. This movie is a time capsule for all of us on our +40s. Top Gun is not just a movie for me, is the reason why i became a fighter pilot and why i am now an instructor who will pass on my knowledge to the ones after me
wot a job i ride big bikes would luv to fly a jet i still watch the traing in the vallys of wales dont know muchabout planes more a bike man usa stock diffrent than kit used than brit air force how do youthink of our stuff if you dont mind me asking haveing taught myself not as inportant as yer job mate going to to fly jets ive been in a glider lol an hot air baloon not as fast as wot you get to play in when not teaching yer do get to have a bit of fun as they say YER THE RIGHT TSTUFF BABT WATCH MY TRAIL JOKEING ASIDE SIR respect for serving
My simulator partner at the airline I work at during initial training was a top gun instructor. The stories he told me were absolutely insane. His technique on a 760,000 pound airplane during what is called upset training was flawless. I was absolutely blown away.
My good friend, Gary Turner, was an advisor and Top Gun instructor for the first movie. He had over a 1000 carrier takeoffs and landings. Miss that guy!
I’m almost 40 with two children. I was going through some of my old school stuff from when I was a kid to show my son the other day and I saw a drawing I had done. It was a military jet. Underneath it read “I wana b a jat pilet”, and at that moment I remembered how much I wanted to fly jets as a kid. Throughout life with all the ups and downs I had forgotten that was my dream. I never did become a jat pilet and now it’s too late and it made me a little sad. Moral of the story is, kids, don’t forget your dreams and strive to be the person and do the things you always wanted to do. Don’t let life take that away from you.
Same here, I'm 'only' 34 but that is of course also way to old... I would recommend you to take a ride in a jet as a passenger, I don't know where you live but in most countries you can pay for it. (it's a bit steep, 2000 euro's is common for a flight of 15 to 30 minutes.)
You know its a great film when you can watch it multiple times within a short period of time!.. I loved the Original but can't watch it as I know what happens to Goose :(
So it's better than godfather Goodfellas and pulp fiction? It was better than snatch, once upon a time in Hollywood and Irishman? It was better than Django, big short and the departed? It was better than taxi driver, lord of war and bad lieutenant? It was better than hangover, super bad and anchorman? It was better than saving private Ryan, all cold on western fronts and come and see? Your taste in movies must either suck or you're not a movie critic by profession. Which I guess the ladder is obvious at this point.
That is exactly what happened. Watched it and just as we got outside my 15 year old daughter said " I want to join the military and fly jets" never has she ever even spoke about joining before.
@@remoevans7847 yeah but no one believes that. Religion, Celebrities, Sport Stars, Companies, Art, noble people, TV shows, etc., influences everyone. That’s why people wear sports jerseys, get tattoos of bible verses, tattoos of names, wear company logos, decor, etc.
@@715SF Exposure to thousands of hours of gun violence in movies/TV has a negative affect on young disenfranchised, unstable young males? They will tell you it’s all because of inanimate metal objects.
As a daughter of a Fighter Pilot Thank you so much for this insightful interview. I loss my dad in 1968. He is my Hero. I remembered how exhausted he was whey he finally came back to us after long deployment. I have never met a man worn his courage and honor. Thank you for this. 😍
ignore John. Your late father was courageous for going into the military and putting himself in that position. it was courageous to go into the military service and sacrifice his time with the family to make me safer in the US.
God bless your Dad for his service to our country. Some people, John Gallagher, can sit in front of a computer and write nasty comments, and probably never get out of their basement!
I went to the movies yesterday, without intending to. I am a traveling EMT, nothing planned. So I walked up and saw that Top Gun was showung. I aks of i needed to pre-purchase my ticket. The man said, no, I can sell you 1 right here. "And when does Top Gun stsrt"? In about 4 minutes. I bought a ticket and sat down. After purchasing a small bag of peanut eminems which I placed in my bag. The credits were over, the movie began and I started laughing out loud right away. I felt like it was an exact continuation of where things left off.... as 30 years have gone by. The movie exceeded any expectations that I might have had. I laughed and I cried. When I left, I thought wow I think I might have to go see that movie again. I can't remember the last time I said that if ever. Something about this movie struck a nerve and and trigger a lot of emotions for me. I'm truly grateful that this was not a remake of Top Gun, but a continuation with a lot of great messages. Yes one was the 1 that you mentioned about it's the man in the seat flying the plane that makes the difference. There's also an element of being true to yourself no matter what outside forces or others may think that you should be doing with your life. Now I will continue listening to this interview I started and never finished. 🇺🇸🕊🇺🇸🇺🇸🕊 May God continue to bless your journey thank you both so much for your continued service. Sincerely, A Civilian Warrior 🇺🇸 God bless us all
Jocko is possibly one of the very best interviewers ever. His ability to throw out the little ball busting comments that friends do is priceless. Always get some good laughs during his interviews. Two American Hero's. Well Done.
Jocko bust Berke's balls good with that..'they messed up not adding a seal team rescue for Tom Cruise..but he understands cuz they can't have a 7 min seal team scene stealing the whole entire show, so you know, it makes sense' .. I wish they had a cam on Berke for that
This was a really great podcast. Two badass guys that have achieved such greatness in life, and are completely humble. It's people like this that should be our country's leadership. Without any doubt. 🔥
Well that depends on your definition of greatness I guess. I mean being apart of an army that invaded a foreign country that did nothing to ours and killing innocent civilians and destroying their land. Being apart of that, If that's greatness sure .. now what they do post military can be the "greatness" . If you want to attach greatness to fighting war, look at the Ukranians .. now that is greatness. Defending their lands and people and fighting to the last person for it.
What a gigantic heap of bulls**t. Which war are you referring to… Afghanistan or Iraq? The former was a response to thousands of innocent office workers in NY jumping to their deaths and splattering on the pavement. The later removed a dictator and was universally welcomed around the world AND by the people of Iraq… until the Iranians and Al Quieda sent in insurgents to tarnish the victory, destabilize the country and embarrass the Americans. Don’t believe me? There’s plenty of accounts of the Iraqis, though cautiously at first, embracing the Americans and their freedom before the insurgency. Read Codename: Johnny Walker for starters… an Iraqi who disliked the Americans at first but eventually concluded they were there to legitimately help the people of that country and risked his own life to join and work with them. Face it, you’re a simple-minded f**k… it’s easy to just accept what you’re told and get back in line. As for Ukraine, the Russians should’ve never invaded, but again… the simple-minded f**k doesn’t dive deeper into studying the subject. Are you aware of Ukrainians murdering civilians in disputed territories before the war? Read any interesting accounts of the Nazi battalion that the Ukrainians employ and tolerate as a “necessary evil”? Let me guess, you are complete unaware of the “greatness” of some of the war crimes they have been committing…
I hear that. People who have shown themselves strong in the battle, and know the battle, seem less likely to "need" always to fight. One never knows, but as long as The Complex is so large and seemingly impermeable, I'm not certain that if a well-informed, well-intentioned, battle-proven, intelligent man/woman "got the job", that it would make a bit of difference at this point. Having said that, I'd vote for Jocko- maybe a write-in. Rogan for VP? They're both too realistic and intelligent to enter the fray. Peace.
Berke is not lying. I saw it with my wife yesterday, and it was freaking amazing! We both loved it. It was sad that it ended at all. There are hardly any movies this good anymore. On top of that, there was no woke bs. I'm definitely going to see it again.
Agreed. We were blown away. The story telling, pacing, action sequences... amazing. Just can't get much better than that. I certainly want to see it again on the big screen another time.
Let's be real here, the two women, 1 Latino, 4 black people, and 3 Asians in the cast were cast with race in mind. Diversity is something that appeals to some people, like it or not. It's just that they drew the line there and made an outstanding story with great characters regardless.
My son was 9 yrs old when the first Top Gun came out. The amount of times we saw that movie was insane.😀 He has seen this new one four times already... I had the pleasure of going with him yesterday to see it. It was fun to enjoy that time with him and to see the happiness it brought. And without any type of agenda to it.
@@a1pha_star It’s a film about a bunch of fit, heroic, brave pilots preparing for and going on a mission against an unnamed enemy using equipment from the US Military while all the while never bringing up any of the issues or controversies associated with the military nor questioning the morality of what they’re doing. I’m not saying it needs to be controversial or challenging. But it’s portrayal of the military, paired with the fact the last film attracted a massive amount of people to the military, raises some questions
As a retired Marine I completely concur that your first unit (whether squadron, battalion, whatever) is the one you most reflect on. I just spent a weekend with two of my Marine brothers from that unit (Dragons Platoon, Weapons Company, 2nd Battalion 6th Marines) and know and remember more of those guys than from any other time in the Corps. Semper fi.
It's funny, me being a child of the late 60's, and therefore a teenager in the 80's, to see a guy who watched Top Gun and then went on to not only join the military and fly, but to become a Top Gun instructor as well. Top Gun was one of those 80's movies that you just KNEW was going to compel some people to join the military, but to SEE one of those people all grown up is cool. It's like Evil Knievel; every kid who ever saw him jump stuff immediately went and then tried to jump stuff with their bike :)
Jocko, discovering the story behind the actual, issued fighter pilot jacket…and following that up with, “…what’s your most sacred patch on the jacket?” - just proves at how well you’ve perfected the craft at interviewing people. What an incredible interview with such rapport and respect for one another. You gentlemen are awesome. Well done, Jocko!
@@lt_fitness988 - I hear ya and can see how one would think that...I took it as he was just messin' with him and poking fun at how humble he was trying to be. lol
@@lt_fitness988 Although I most definitely understand how you came to that conclusion, but after watching the entire video for a second time I have to agree with @Financial Awareness with K.Scholl This is one expert in his particular field talking to another expert in a different field and (although they are both acknowledging that fact during this interaction) they went about it in different ways: -Jocko showed his appreciation by poking at Daves humility, because simply complimenting someone like Dave would probably have not produced a very interesting response. -Dave on the other hand also knew who he was dealing with and articulated his praise plain and simple. Great stuff! 😃🟥⬜🟦
Can you imagine rolling to the premiere of Top Gun: Maverick wearing your husband's flight jacket and having all the other people in the theater just assume you are LARPING like the rest of them?
Wow I actually took my 14 year old brother to go see this movie and he loved it, literally told me after we finished the movie that he wants to join the military and fly the jets
He is so amazing! This is so very exciting to see. We are friends of David's wife Whitney's mom and dad. Loved them so much and were very thankful we got to see David fly out one time when he was in Atlanta at Dobbins Air Force Base. It was the most exciting time, especially for my husband which was in seventh heaven. So great seeing him on here! Thank you and very proud of you David even to be part of this project. Love, Pat & Bob Moravek
Great interview, Jocko really kept the dialogue up and running with great questions, Dave also kept it with a great mood. Big respect to both gentlemen 🙏
At about 21:00, they talk about AFTERBURNER. YES! I have flown darn near all the fighter aircraft in the USAF and as a civilian contract test pilot for the US Navy, darn near all the fighter (and other) aircraft in the US Navy, and I can verify that kicking into afterburner for any take-off (carrier launch) is the ONLY WAY to get an aircraft off the deck into the air!
I saw the original around 13 years old, or so. At the time, I thought that deck crew was probably the coolest job ever. At 20, I was a final checker on the USS Independence.
Probably one of the best movies I've ever seen, if not THE best as far as realism, nostalgia, and the effort they put into it. It was unreal how fucking great it was.
@@cullertransportation Jockos careers highlight was leading a Task Force (60 people) in Ramardi....he was a Lt Commander..1 silver star....His great friend Seth Stone RIP was A Commander ..2 silver stars......both great men .....Jocko is famous but many Seals have had amazing careers....Jocko is not unique......Dave Berk is
@@chanang453 I was an Army Ranger 2005-2010. Your comment about Jocko not being unique is extremely off. If you're a highly decorated Navy SEAL, you're unique. Period PS-its Ramadi. Not Ramardi
I saw it with my wife and I swear she was even more into it than I was. She hasn’t stopped raving about it for days. The cinematography was absolutely nuts. You can see the G-forces impacting the actors’ faces, and they clearly did a lot of it for real.
Sat on the edge of my seat the whole movie. A good old movie about warriors and the relationships between them. A movie about accomplishing the mission, about having each other's back. I really enjoyed the talk between Jocko and Dave. These guys don't just talk the talk, but, walk the walk. Thank God for our protectors, our defenders - our warriors.
I’m a movie theater Safety Advisor, I was just wondering at any point of sitting on the edge of your seat if you fell off or did you feel reasonably safe while sitting on the edge?
@@wizcorn9958 While watching Top Gun Maverick, I pushed my AMC Movie Theater Seat to the limits, beyond authorized parameters and design limitations. Remember, it's not about the Movie Theater Seat, Sir, it's about the Movie Goer. I might fall off the seat someday, but not yesterday!
this is where REAL men are POWERFUL men and it takes a REAL woman to tame one of these men and take care of him, and it takes a REAL woman to give birth to one these fabulous men...and a REAL man to develop his son.....god bless the FAMILY unit.... ..
I was a S.E.R.E. instructor at Warner Springs, California,,,,Fasotragrupac, North Island ....1979 to 1981...... Thank You both for Sacrifices and Service....
After seeing the movie yesterday, found this interview soooo interesting and loved hearing these professional military personnel discuss Top Gun-Maverick. Great to hear their take on it all. Thanks for explaining aspects of training, etc, to us common people. I don't even fly in a commercial plane, but seeing jet pilots do their maneuvers out here at our little lake in Texas is awesome! You just stand watching and hoping they do some inverts or stunts overhead! Loved this interview. Thanks again!
Man what a great interview!! This man was very humble, EXTREMELY knowledgeable and I thoroughly enjoyed the entire video. I was lucky enough to be stationed on the U.S.S. Eisenhower, CVN 69 in the mid 90's and I can tell you that the movie Top Gun was EASILY responsible for 50% of the people being in the Navy! As an AO I got to work with the plane air crews and talk to several pilots when we were off duty and they said the same thing! The carrier scenes were AWESOME and definitely gave an idea of how a flight deck can be...organized chaos we used to call it. This movie hit EVERY button and some of them twice. It's been a long time since an entire theater was laughing, crying, hooping and hollering that way, and at the end a very hearty clap and applause...dayum I LOVED IT.
Love this dude. "I can do both of those things? and so I did." Lol Dude saw the original at 13 and it helped shape his life so its crazy af that he was brought on to check out the script and give notes for the sequel 30+ years later as a very accomplished and uniquely qualified veteran fighter pilot/senior instructor for TOPGUN. It's crazy when stuff comes full circle like that.
there's thousands of Navy Seals...past and present.......this guy is qualified to fly. F14s....F18s...F22s ...and F35s.....thats a one off pilot....RESPECT !!!
That movie was so good, everything about it was amazing! I teared up so many times, especially when Jon Ham relieves Maverick of his teaching position saying "All you've done is show them it can't be done" and then the next day while Jon Ham is instructing and Mav does the thing and shows them it can be done. Yeah, it's a bit cheesy but I thought it was perfectly executed movie coolness.
Absolutely love this. I'm a civilian commercial pilot, and I love the part where Jocko asks Dave about the normal daily life of a pilot. In response, Dave says ' Mostly not flying' which is incredibly true. We all plan intensively, and monitor circumstances. Love this interview. Great work, boys.
Anyone else say "YES" out loud when he said, "do you want me to go through the bird strike sequence now?". So bummed Jacko moved past that, but I'm being picky. Great interview.
bro as a jet engine mechanic in the air force there is nothing worse then working an engine that had a bird strike. Its like the boogeyman of the jet engine world.
@@MrSpotface I have heard the horror stories when I was stationed on the Eisenhower, my best friend was an AD, and one helluva grease monkey. Swear that man could fix anything with a pry bar and a crescent wrench.
When Dave Berke mentioned that there is a significant gap between a senior instructor and the best student, it made the scene from the original movie where Maverick went after Viper have a much clearer picture of how high the stakes were and just how "ballsy" Maverick was to put himself out there and really test himself and find out what he's really made of.
All that scene did was show Maverick how foolish he was for leaving his homie the only part about that scene that liked was when a viper was like damn this kid's good other than that it was just a dude who didn't trust anyone not even his best friend and Rio enough to listen to him and guy who needed to be humbled
@@Ge0rge_0rwell of course it is but my 4-year-old self couldn't distinguish that when i first watched the movie and my old man just laid into me about how fucked up an irresponsible that would be but I probably haven't seen that movie or that scene in 15 years
I love all these top pilots loving Top Gun, old and new. The end made me tear up. I haven’t had a movie make me feel that way in a long time. I felt a real loss for cinema.
As a recently retired Army veteran, I was honored to be an Instructor/Course Developer & understand it's about the students/trainees and let your results speak for themselves, work hard and be a team player, no bragging or accolades needed, seeing my Soldiers succeed and just see it click is everything. These two are great brothers in arms and the sheer amount of dedication, hard work and knowledge to get to where Burke is, is simply amazing.
Thank you for this interview! It is a real in site for people like me who are civilians. Much respect and gratitude to you serving our country!! Nothing but love to you all !!! Vets and current active soldiers!!!
Jocko, I really enjoyed this, I'm a retired CW4 AH64 A/D Pilot Afghanistan 03 guy and I love Aviation so it was nice to hear perspective from a actual Top Gun Guy cheers from Williamsburg, VA :)
Regarding the instructor just destroying the students, check out 40 Second Boyd, aka Colonel John Boyd who will be familiar to any Marine. When he was an instructor at the Air Force Weapons School he had a standing bet that he could beat anyone in 40 seconds. He never lost. Too bad the Air Force didn't realize the impact of his lessons.
@@marc-etiennemercier6584 I may not have worded that very well. What I meant was that they didn't appreciate his contributions. That is evidenced by two things. First, he retired as a colonel instead of a general. Second, very few Air Force personnel attended his funeral. It was either one or two people depending on who you ask. The room was full of Marines.
Can confirm. I highly recommend the book about him. They realized his impact but it was well after he died. The F-16’s design is the way it is because of him, the A-10 exists because of him, the F-15 doesn’t have variable sweeping wings because of him, the OODA loop- he’s a modern Sun Tzu in terms of his warfare philosophy.
@@joecavett885 The Air Force eventually did appreciate what he did but only way after the fact, which is sad. When he came up with his energy-maneuverability charts and really changed how dogfighting was analyzed, managed, and trained, the experts at Wright-Patterson HQ were pissed off because Boyd came up with it instead of them. After that, they poisoned the well. They couldn't stop his technical brilliance and his accomplishments but they could use their influence to shove down his career and they sure made it a full-time job to do that. He was stuck for years at the Pentagon without really having a job. They kept getting him an incentive ride in an F-16 at Andrews AFB and then canceling it an hour before he was scheduled to actually go. They did things like that to screw around with him, and it was all just political BS, so lame. I guess he was supposed to present this brilliant work to Wright-Patterson HQ and let them present it all over the USAF like it was their work. Since he had the horrible nerve to claim credit for his own work, they used their influence to ensure that he'd never get promoted and get shoved down and treated like a dog.
My grandfather was a Lt. Col in the Marine Corps and was a pilot - I believe he joined sometime around 1946 and was in until the 80s. He never talked to me about it much (wasn't much of a family man), so this is a pretty cool breakdown & way to connect with his memory, God rest him. Thanks for doing this.
My time on the flight deck was before TG. I always struggled to try to explain how chaotic yet perfectly choreographed the deck was during cyclic ops. When TG came out, it helped with the explanation, but I think the new one actually put more focus on it. (CV-59, A-7 squadron)
Best of the best, lol. When you’re a pilot you realise very quickly there is no such thing, just different types of pilots who do some things better and some things worse than other pilots, fast jet pilots don’t make good commercial pilots for example without addressing certain personality traits, or helicopter pilots etc. However, any current professional pilot can fly a fast jet with equivalent training, and any good pilot could do very well at top gun school. Throw into the mix certain countries pilots have done much better in military exercises than their Top Gun equivalents
"In case some of you wonder who the best is, they're up here on this plaque on the wall. The best driver and his RIO from each class has his name on it, and they have the option to come back here to be Top Gun instructors."
It's hard to understate the impact that the OG TopGun had on me as a 17 yr old back in 1986, and literally thousands of kids like me. And I believe the new TopGun will have the exact same effect on today's young future warriors.
Just saw T.G. MAV yesterday(Thursday) and It was AWESOME!!! Totally worth the ridiculous wait. I've watched some pilot reviews and this was the BEST!! THANKS Jocko for setting this interview up. Like Carlos said, I know I was smiling Alot throughout the movie ! Especially when Maverick was riding his motorcycle to Top Gun and he was smiling ear to ear, I felt so happy for him.. We ALL smiled with him ! I embraced what the story had to tell. I'm glad you got the one person who could give the qualified answers to candid questions the others were just outside the picture on. You did it Jocko, a SEAL got in personal to the TOP GUN pilot and brought us the best Intel ! Thanks to both of you for your service and this awesome interview!! ( can't wait to see the movie again in IMAX )
What a fucking awesome scene. Went with my 19 yr old son and right before that scene he leans over to me and whispers "Dad....didn't they say they had F-14s at that base...?"......we looked at each other and just went....Noooooo....they aren't going there, are they? HOLY SHIT THEY ARE!!!
36:55 is very relatable for me, now I’m now fighter pilot or a pilot at all, but I am a naval aircrewmen. It’s not my original job so I had to apply for a special billet. I got assigned to VPU-2 and I was the last crew as well (Sundown). Very rewarding and special time in my life, not to mention it was in Hawaii as well. Good times 😎
Are they making our lives better? We are signing up for more oil from Saudi Arabia, go do some research on what that country is doing to Yemen, while we don’t care.
After being raised by a USMC Dad, I joined the USN. Being highly competitive, he often loved to rib me about the differences between the two. Finally, I appealed to unity by pointing out that both are in the Department of the Navy, to which he replied "True, but the Marines are the MEN'S department!"
The guy is literally indespensable. We need guys like this and guys like jocko leading our military. Blows my mind how some top brass got their job. These are the best candidates for top brass.
What a great interview, I imagine humility is a requisite when you truly are one of the best pilots on earth. Top gun will be the kind of classic movie like Gone With the Wind and the Wizard of Oz, people will watch it 100 years from now and still love it.
This is a great movie for all the aviation reasons it has.I am in awe of fighter pilots, the Blue Angels and what they do with seemingly so much ease. It adds so much to learn from men who have been there done that it is authentic flying. Some credit need to be given this movie is as good as it is because Tom Cruise wanted it to be as authentic as possible in the airplane scenes but with the lighter moments to let us catch up and sit back in our seats again. I loved it and will be seeing it again and again in iMAX and when it comes out to see at home.
I wanted to be an Mi-24 pilot when I was about 10 or 11. It didn't come thru, but I did served 21 years in the Croatian army. And this interview was cool.
that was really enjoyable. Jocko you are great at carrying a conversation that was informative without "canned questions". I'm glad I stumbled across your program.
@Jocko , bro the more i watch your podcasts the more i realize how much this country needs Real Leaders, like yourself and the majority of your guests. It is disturbing to me to see who and how this country is ran, America Needs Real Men With Character and Morals, capable of putting the betterment of the country before themselves. Jocko this country needs you bro, you must run for office at some point and change the path/culture in which this country is headed.
the greatest leaders resist leadership, for the notion of holding power over one's equals is rejected by their own soul. the greatest leaders are called to lead, and if they do answer that call, they do so reluctantly.
This was a fantastic interview. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Especially the "favorite patch" commentary at the end. As a retired submariner I served on four submarines during my career. My first boat will always hold a special place in my heart. The ships emblem is tattooed on my calf. I work for a gun manufacturer and they are building me an AR with the serial number matching the hull number of USS Memphis (SSN-691) and it will have a cerakoted submarine force theme, as yet to be seen by me. Different tribes, all of us, but the same passion and love of country and our brothers. Also, I really enjoyed the movie. Well done!
Berke is the real deal and for an old guy like myself, 23 when the original came out, it’s nice to hear how for the most part the aviation scenes are pretty accurate. So much respect for the two warriors!
Wow Mr. Berke is so experienced. I was a little older in 1986 (18) and I too wanted to be a fighter pilot. Oh well, I only achieved private pilot. Haha! I am so impressed by you over achieving pilots. My Uncle-in-Law was an Air Force F-16 pilot, F-16 instructor, test pilot, and had input on the X-35. He is now a Southwest commercial pilot out of Dallas Fort worth. Love listening to his stories. Thanks for the video. Can't wait to see the movie! Thanks Mr. Berke!
Great interview! In 1983, Air Force pilot at the 426th Fighter Squadron, I was the Chief of Aerial Comabt Tactics and Dissimilar Air Combat Tactics instructor and got selected to attend TopGun school. First flight at TG, got my ass handed to me on a BFM 1v1! These guys are good! learned alot. 2 years later, I was selected to the SR-71 and flew that great machine for 4 years.
Thanks for that great interview Jocko
Being a Navy vet, I always wondered how Air Force members and pilots looked at Top Gun
Being an Air Force guy, what did you fly at Top Gun, and what was your opponent flying?
Yer a legend.
Good for you man! :-) My grandfather calibrated the instruments on that aircraft, the Shuttle, and many others out at Edwards as well. He passed away last week, God rest his soul! Skunk Works for Life!
Legend
This dude is humble, humble bragging for 37 minutes! What an accomplished pilot and amazing individual. Go see Top Gun Maverick. See it as it is - a movie, not a documentary. It’s a blast!
Exactly, a movie. This guy is the real deal.
Thank you I was going to see it anyways because I grew up to top Gun and the other awesome movies like braveheart Rocky Rambo platoon so when I seen this advertised for the first time like 4 months ago it's been driving me crazy to see it. LoL
Saw it yesterday. One of, if not the best military movie I have seen. Unlike a lot of Hollywood movies, Top Gun was very patriotic, and the action flight scenes were real. Excellent movie!
@@crocodilegrundee4514 Hell yeah 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
@@jaysmith2151 🇺🇸🇺🇸👍
I was at TopGun 1979-1983 and 1986-1988, as one of the 15 Marine enlisted working there at Miramar. Got qualified to fly backseat, ran the flight line, airframes, hydraulic shop, seat shop, power plant s and operation and logistics. Great six years of my 23 years in the Marine Corps.
Thanks for your service Gil! 🇺🇸
Semper fi
Thank you for your service, Sir
JC, How are the Top Gun scenes/vibes compare with when you were there?
I rode 2 fat girls around an orgy for 2 hrs last night. I'm not impressed
This dude is the real frickin deal. I learned from the legendary Jerry Rice at football camp once, "When you're good at something, you'll tell others. When you're excellent at something, others will say it for you." 🇺🇸 Thank you both for your service, legends. 💯
It means he good at something, because he mostly said about himself
I couldn't stop smiling while watching this movie in the theater. This is really a masterpiece! Top Gun Maverick is the Best movie I've seen this year!
Awesome, I cant wait to see it
I was just wondering if you’re still smiling?
I was smiling and rolling my eyes at the corny ass rips from the original, but I still think it’s one of the best sequels ever made. It still has the right spirit, and was bigger. It was so cool to revisit after, what, 30/40 years, and see their stories wrapped up beautifully. Most sequels come too soon and shit the bed. Doesn’t hurt that Tom Cruise is a vampire.
@@wizcorn9958 spooky AF. There’s a great creepy pastas like that movie trailer. Can you see me smile?
Agreed. It was simply amazing!
I’m a marine. Never in my entire life did I ever hear of any marine aviator who flew an F 22.
Amazing guy
Dream career…F22 as a marine on top of the F16/18 and 35.
@@33moneyball the f22 is Air Force exclusive the f35 is all branches
makes me wonder if he was some sort of test pilot or just rng lucky with tad or who knows
lucky dude
squared away epic dude
Thank the marines 🇺🇸💯💪🏽 bless our force and the fight for freedom
He's a bad, bad man.
So many vets here. Thank you all for your service. You guys are all the foundation of our great country.
Having served with Dave in the USMC...he was an amazing officer to be around. I served with him at ANGLICO...truly a great professional and even better man.
Did you serve with him or served him chow? They sound similar, but are completely different. Just want to make sure I got right.
@@onlyonecannoli3952
Me-“Hey Jocko have you seen Top Gun before?”
Him- “Oh yeah I talked to him last night.”
Lol!
Finally saw this movie last weekend, loved it. Way better than the original, IMO. Thing is, they don't make movies like this anymore. Practical effects, a tough-guy hero who doesn't get gutted by the writers, no politics... loved it. Wish Hollywood would do more of this.
I don't really think TGM fits *quite* in that mold given so much of the movie is explicitly focused on Maverick's vulnerabilities, uncertainty about his future and his survivor's guilt. I'm not really sure they were trying to portray him as a stereotypical tough guy as much as someone trying to navigate both the march of time and his own life. In that sense it's a different thing than 80s/90s action heroes who were often... let's say, less concerned about character depth.
But I absolutely agree that it was a great film and the focus on practical effects was refreshing.
@@mobiusflammel9372 I largely agree -- - by "tough guy" I didn't mean to imply an invulnerable hero. I meant a classic masculine hero who hasn't been ripped apart and "put in his place" by the writers.
Was there racial quota?
The Northman. Support it 🤘🏼
Absolutely. Practical effects, and no politics - i.e. "woke" ideology being forced on us. Just a brilliant movie with excellent flight footage.
This was one of the best interviews I’ve seen in a while. The fact that one of the best Jet fighter pilots is such an actual fan of the Top Gun movies is awesome 😎
Definitely. Since he was 13 when Top Gun came out, I doubt he would've become a fighter pilot if he didn't like the first one
I agree. He said suspend your belief but the eccence of the movie is correct.
BTW another anecdote -- I was an F-16 instructor at Luke AFB. We would occasionally bring a few jets to Fallon to fight the Top Gun students. The guys at Fallon run a class act and just the brief before the fight is the stuff of legends. My first fight was against a couple students in a Rhino and it was like shooting fish in a barrel. My 2nd fight was against an older and lighter F-16 flown by one of their instructors. An hour later we're in the bar debriefing the mission and I was the fish in the barrel, it's amazing how an incredible pilot can make a good pilot look plain-old bad (and I was in my main jet, the instructor who smoked me basically flew F-16s in his spare time). Great school and great movie.
Thanks for sharing that, Mike! It's cool to read these comments from folks who've been there. I've always dreamed of being a fighter pilot, but life took me a different way. I still fly in planes but they usually have Southwest written on the side and I'm simply a passenger. I've been considering signing up for classes at a local airport to learn to fly. There are a lot of people (like myself) who read stories like this in awe.
It's not the Arrow, it's the Archer, as they say.
I got to say over the last few months I've been watching F-16 and F-35s come out of Luke AFB and sometimes the maneuvers those jets do get me stairing hard. Like did I just see that. Seen one F35 pull off the runway roll 90 degrees and sat there for 3 seconds..
Sweet!
I live there!
Flares can't stop a radar guided SAM. A plane at hypersonic speed can't maneuver. Why don't just use cruise missiles to take out that kind of target? There's a lot of basic inaccuracies in the movie. They could do the exact same thing on the movie showing the real thing, it seems that some people are just lazy to think about how to do it.
It couldn't have gotten any better - a highly experienced top-notch Navy SEAL interviewing a real-life TopGun instructor - a fighter jet super pilot...Thank you, Jocko and David-absolutely an amazing episode just like all the others served to us by Jocko and his team. Wish our politicians were a bit more like you...Sounds like a wishful thinking, I know...Loved how Jocko was bantering David slightly ("Humblebrag".) David's skillset and resolve are mind-boggling and a very humbling experience to discover, as most people have difficulty operating a vehicle let alone piloting a supersonic aircraft loaded with sensitive and ultramodern technology. I cannot wrap my brains around how much actual knowledge, endurance and so much more it takes to just be able to fly one particular type of aircraft, to navigate and engage other skilled pilots successfully...This guy is qualified to pilot 4! types of fighter jets...Awesome episode-inspiring and humbling...
Not only that... those 4 jets happen to be arguably the 4 most deadly aircraft on this planet at the moment.
Jkly li ok
Big deal. I drive a forklift for a living. Moving goods that benefit society. All he did, was train misguided young men to kill people. Innocent civilians mostly at that.
@@COD4JESSE do you have 3 questions I need to answer before I cross the bridge?
@@COD4JESSE Yeah ok buddy, I drive a forklift too and Good Deal Dave is badass. Shove it
My dad was a missile analyst with Top Gun when it started. Worked with F-14 thru F-18. He got to tell them if it was pilot error, missile error or plane error. He spent 25 yrs doing this after 24 yrs as ECM/navigator in the Air Force.
My younger son watched the original movie so many times, it drove his brother crazy, but my dad enjoyed it, even if it was a movie. My older son got to go inside a TG meeting once as a kid. I told his teachers if he draws pics of bombs & missiles , don't worry because that's what his grandpa worked with. I went to see the new movie & got choked up thru out thinking about my dad & also we worked with family services all the time & you know what it's like when you lose a crew. I thought it was fantastic & I think my Dad would have too!
Flying and Daredevilness runs through genes
You ... yourself did nothing. Let your sons talk or your father. Not you. Get off TH-cam
@@humptydumpty1575
Shutup. What's your problem
@@humptydumpty1575 damn you don't want to be the turd in the punchbowl
@@humptydumpty1575 you... yourself contributed nothing to the comment section
The only reason i ve seen the movie in my living room all by myself is cause i knew i am gonna burst into a lot of tears remembering the boy i was back then on the 1st Top Gun and the people actors used to be back then. This movie is a time capsule for all of us on our +40s. Top Gun is not just a movie for me, is the reason why i became a fighter pilot and why i am now an instructor who will pass on my knowledge to the ones after me
wot a job i ride big bikes would luv to fly a jet i still watch the traing in the vallys of wales dont know muchabout planes more a bike man usa stock diffrent than kit used than brit air force how do youthink of our stuff if you dont mind me asking haveing taught myself not as inportant as yer job mate going to to fly jets ive been in a glider lol an hot air baloon not as fast as wot you get to play in when not teaching yer do get to have a bit of fun as they say YER THE RIGHT TSTUFF BABT WATCH MY TRAIL JOKEING ASIDE SIR respect for serving
What's your call sign? Slapnuts?
@@marklower007u were so close.... Actually is UrMmaisanaustronaut
My simulator partner at the airline I work at during initial training was a top gun instructor. The stories he told me were absolutely insane. His technique on a 760,000 pound airplane during what is called upset training was flawless. I was absolutely blown away.
My good friend, Gary Turner, was an advisor and Top Gun instructor for the first movie. He had over a 1000 carrier takeoffs and landings. Miss that guy!
I’m almost 40 with two children. I was going through some of my old school stuff from when I was a kid to show my son the other day and I saw a drawing I had done. It was a military jet. Underneath it read “I wana b a jat pilet”, and at that moment I remembered how much I wanted to fly jets as a kid. Throughout life with all the ups and downs I had forgotten that was my dream. I never did become a jat pilet and now it’s too late and it made me a little sad. Moral of the story is, kids, don’t forget your dreams and strive to be the person and do the things you always wanted to do. Don’t let life take that away from you.
Same here, I'm 'only' 34 but that is of course also way to old... I would recommend you to take a ride in a jet as a passenger, I don't know where you live but in most countries you can pay for it. (it's a bit steep, 2000 euro's is common for a flight of 15 to 30 minutes.)
I was too short and near sighted 😭
I’m 40 and after I saw maverick I also remembered I wanted to fly.
Great story and even better advice!
@@worldwide_wes I was simply too near, kept invading everyone's personal space
I flew with the blue angels one time and my pilot was a top gun graduate. They have some absolutely amazing capabilities.
What a fantastic interview by two badass men. Top Gun Maverick is in my Top 3 movies of all time, I can't get enough of it!
You know its a great film when you can watch it multiple times within a short period of time!.. I loved the Original but can't watch it as I know what happens to Goose :(
So it's better than godfather Goodfellas and pulp fiction? It was better than snatch, once upon a time in Hollywood and Irishman? It was better than Django, big short and the departed? It was better than taxi driver, lord of war and bad lieutenant? It was better than hangover, super bad and anchorman? It was better than saving private Ryan, all cold on western fronts and come and see?
Your taste in movies must either suck or you're not a movie critic by profession. Which I guess the ladder is obvious at this point.
That is exactly what happened. Watched it and just as we got outside my 15 year old daughter said " I want to join the military and fly jets" never has she ever even spoke about joining before.
Hilarious
We've got a Phoenix in the making, folks! ✈️ 🇺🇲
Yet Hollywood will tell you their products are just entertainment and do not influence young impressionable minds. 🤔
@@remoevans7847 yeah but no one believes that.
Religion, Celebrities, Sport Stars, Companies, Art, noble people, TV shows, etc., influences everyone. That’s why people wear sports jerseys, get tattoos of bible verses, tattoos of names, wear company logos, decor, etc.
@@715SF Exposure to thousands of hours of gun violence in movies/TV has a negative affect on young disenfranchised, unstable young males? They will tell you it’s all because of inanimate metal objects.
As a daughter of a Fighter Pilot Thank you so much for this insightful interview. I loss my dad in 1968. He is my Hero. I remembered how exhausted he was whey he finally came back to us after long deployment. I have never met a man worn his courage and honor. Thank you for this. 😍
No offence but courage isn’t exactly fitting for a pilot far from direct combat.
ignore John. Your late father was courageous for going into the military and putting himself in that position. it was courageous to go into the military service and sacrifice his time with the family to make me safer in the US.
@@johngallagher3732 Says the nobody in a comment reply section...
@@sethjansson5652 meh facts don’t lie
God bless your Dad for his service to our country. Some people, John Gallagher, can sit in front of a computer and write nasty comments, and probably never get out of their basement!
The world needs more bad ass people like Dave who are this humble. Very impressive.
I went to the movies yesterday, without intending to. I am a traveling EMT, nothing planned. So I walked up and saw that Top Gun was showung. I aks of i needed to pre-purchase my ticket. The man said, no, I can sell you 1 right here. "And when does Top Gun stsrt"? In about 4 minutes.
I bought a ticket and sat down. After purchasing a small bag of peanut eminems which I placed in my bag.
The credits were over, the movie began and
I started laughing out loud right away. I felt like it was an exact continuation of where things left off.... as 30 years have gone by.
The movie exceeded any expectations that I might have had. I laughed and I cried. When I left, I thought wow I think I might have to go see that movie again. I can't remember the last time I said that if ever. Something about this movie struck a nerve and and trigger a lot of emotions for me. I'm truly grateful that this was not a remake of Top Gun, but a continuation with a lot of great messages. Yes one was the 1 that you mentioned about it's the man in the seat flying the plane that makes the difference. There's also an element of being true to yourself no matter what outside forces or others may think that you should be doing with your life.
Now I will continue listening to this interview I started and never finished.
🇺🇸🕊🇺🇸🇺🇸🕊 May God continue to bless your journey thank you both so much for your continued service.
Sincerely,
A Civilian Warrior 🇺🇸
God bless us all
Jocko is possibly one of the very best interviewers ever. His ability to throw out the little ball busting comments that friends do is priceless. Always get some good laughs during his interviews. Two American Hero's. Well Done.
Followed Jocko half-heartedly - nothing but respect, of course. But never watched him conduct an interview. I have to agree - very solid interviewer.
Jocko bust Berke's balls good with that..'they messed up not adding a seal team rescue for Tom Cruise..but he understands cuz they can't have a 7 min seal team scene stealing the whole entire show, so you know, it makes sense' .. I wish they had a cam on Berke for that
Check!
@@dieselboats7886 Jocko's
full of shit.
This was a really great podcast. Two badass guys that have achieved such greatness in life, and are completely humble. It's people like this that should be our country's leadership. Without any doubt. 🔥
Well that depends on your definition of greatness I guess. I mean being apart of an army that invaded a foreign country that did nothing to ours and killing innocent civilians and destroying their land. Being apart of that, If that's greatness sure .. now what they do post military can be the "greatness" . If you want to attach greatness to fighting war, look at the Ukranians .. now that is greatness. Defending their lands and people and fighting to the last person for it.
@@numbersandsports4206 very well spoken 👏👏👏
What a gigantic heap of bulls**t. Which war are you referring to… Afghanistan or Iraq? The former was a response to thousands of innocent office workers in NY jumping to their deaths and splattering on the pavement. The later removed a dictator and was universally welcomed around the world AND by the people of Iraq… until the Iranians and Al Quieda sent in insurgents to tarnish the victory, destabilize the country and embarrass the Americans. Don’t believe me? There’s plenty of accounts of the Iraqis, though cautiously at first, embracing the Americans and their freedom before the insurgency. Read Codename: Johnny Walker for starters… an Iraqi who disliked the Americans at first but eventually concluded they were there to legitimately help the people of that country and risked his own life to join and work with them. Face it, you’re a simple-minded f**k… it’s easy to just accept what you’re told and get back in line.
As for Ukraine, the Russians should’ve never invaded, but again… the simple-minded f**k doesn’t dive deeper into studying the subject. Are you aware of Ukrainians murdering civilians in disputed territories before the war? Read any interesting accounts of the Nazi battalion that the Ukrainians employ and tolerate as a “necessary evil”? Let me guess, you are complete unaware of the “greatness” of some of the war crimes they have been committing…
I hear that. People who have shown themselves strong in the battle, and know the battle, seem less likely to "need" always to fight.
One never knows, but as long as The Complex is so large and seemingly impermeable, I'm not certain that if a well-informed, well-intentioned, battle-proven, intelligent man/woman "got the job", that it would make a bit of difference at this point. Having said that, I'd vote for Jocko- maybe a write-in. Rogan for VP? They're both too realistic and intelligent to enter the fray.
Peace.
Berke is not lying. I saw it with my wife yesterday, and it was freaking amazing! We both loved it. It was sad that it ended at all.
There are hardly any movies this good anymore. On top of that, there was no woke bs. I'm definitely going to see it again.
100%
agreed, probably one of the best movies I've ever seen if not #1.
Agreed. We were blown away. The story telling, pacing, action sequences... amazing. Just can't get much better than that. I certainly want to see it again on the big screen another time.
Let's be real here, the two women, 1 Latino, 4 black people, and 3 Asians in the cast were cast with race in mind. Diversity is something that appeals to some people, like it or not. It's just that they drew the line there and made an outstanding story with great characters regardless.
@@unitedstatesofamerica9948 the diversity is irrelevant to the plot and should bother no one. Replace them with gray blobs and the movie is the same.
Two professionals in different categories having a chat. Loved to watch both of you.
Jocko is asking all the questions we all wanted to ask a real life Top Gun instructor
This dude spent more calories trying to humbly skirt around the fact that he's an absolute badass as he would spend in a workout.
Correctomundo: Brilliant pilot and head on straight. Check.
Its a common theme among REAL bad asses
if only he could fly an A-10......then i'd be impressed......😆
Love this comment! So true
Real ones don’t have to talk about it. They ARE it.
My son was 9 yrs old when the first Top Gun came out. The amount of times we saw that movie was insane.😀
He has seen this new one four times already... I had the pleasure of going with him yesterday to see it. It was fun to enjoy that time with him and to see the happiness it brought. And without any type of agenda to it.
Well, there’s an agenda. It’s a good movie, but could easily be compared to a propaganda flick
@@theworld6710 "but could easily be compared to a propaganda flick" Nonsense. 🙄
@@a1pha_star It’s a film about a bunch of fit, heroic, brave pilots preparing for and going on a mission against an unnamed enemy using equipment from the US Military while all the while never bringing up any of the issues or controversies associated with the military nor questioning the morality of what they’re doing.
I’m not saying it needs to be controversial or challenging. But it’s portrayal of the military, paired with the fact the last film attracted a massive amount of people to the military, raises some questions
@@theworld6710 Oh please. 🙄
@@a1pha_star Simply acting dismissive doesn’t actually dispute or disprove my statements
As a retired Marine I completely concur that your first unit (whether squadron, battalion, whatever) is the one you most reflect on. I just spent a weekend with two of my Marine brothers from that unit (Dragons Platoon, Weapons Company, 2nd Battalion 6th Marines) and know and remember more of those guys than from any other time in the Corps. Semper fi.
It's funny, me being a child of the late 60's, and therefore a teenager in the 80's, to see a guy who watched Top Gun and then went on to not only join the military and fly, but to become a Top Gun instructor as well. Top Gun was one of those 80's movies that you just KNEW was going to compel some people to join the military, but to SEE one of those people all grown up is cool. It's like Evil Knievel; every kid who ever saw him jump stuff immediately went and then tried to jump stuff with their bike :)
Jocko, discovering the story behind the actual, issued fighter pilot jacket…and following that up with, “…what’s your most sacred patch on the jacket?” - just proves at how well you’ve perfected the craft at interviewing people. What an incredible interview with such rapport and respect for one another. You gentlemen are awesome. Well done, Jocko!
I thought jocko was being rude and a hater.
@@lt_fitness988 - I hear ya and can see how one would think that...I took it as he was just messin' with him and poking fun at how humble he was trying to be. lol
@@lt_fitness988 Although I most definitely understand how you came to that conclusion, but after watching the entire video for a second time I have to agree with @Financial Awareness with K.Scholl
This is one expert in his particular field talking to another expert in a different field and (although they are both acknowledging that fact during this interaction) they went about it in different ways:
-Jocko showed his appreciation by poking at Daves humility, because simply complimenting someone like Dave would probably have not produced a very interesting response.
-Dave on the other hand also knew who he was dealing with and articulated his praise plain and simple.
Great stuff! 😃🟥⬜🟦
This is a couple of guys passively stroking each others egos. Sounds like a typical interview of two people in similar fields.
Can you imagine rolling to the premiere of Top Gun: Maverick wearing your husband's flight jacket and having all the other people in the theater just assume you are LARPING like the rest of them?
Two warriors. Different skillsets to employ a solution of, "politics by other means." Time well spent listening to these great men speak.
YES!
This is a perfect interview and in my opinion, a needed interview for after watching the new 🎬🇺🇸Top Gun 🎞
Wow I actually took my 14 year old brother to go see this movie and he loved it, literally told me after we finished the movie that he wants to join the military and fly the jets
He is so amazing! This is so very exciting to see. We are friends of David's wife Whitney's mom and dad. Loved them so much and were very thankful we got to see David fly out one time when he was in Atlanta at Dobbins Air Force Base. It was the most exciting time, especially for my husband which was in seventh heaven. So great seeing him on here! Thank you and very proud of you David even to be part of this project. Love, Pat & Bob Moravek
As a Marine friend told me, Berke is an infantry man who flies jets.
Lol
As a Marine from a fighter squadron, WHAT?
@@Vortiger_OP as a guy who reads Marines’ online bickering, :D
@@evilassaultweaponeer its never ending haha 😂
Well he was on the front line with ANGLICO calling in airstrikes and dropping bombs in Ramadi w/ 3/7 & ST3
Great interview, Jocko really kept the dialogue up and running with great questions, Dave also kept it with a great mood. Big respect to both gentlemen 🙏
At about 21:00, they talk about AFTERBURNER. YES! I have flown darn near all the fighter aircraft in the USAF and as a civilian contract test pilot for the US Navy, darn near all the fighter (and other) aircraft in the US Navy, and I can verify that kicking into afterburner for any take-off (carrier launch) is the ONLY WAY to get an aircraft off the deck into the air!
2 living legends & yes Top Gun Maverick is absolutely INCREDIBLE, what an experience
I saw the original around 13 years old, or so. At the time, I thought that deck crew was probably the coolest job ever. At 20, I was a final checker on the USS Independence.
Probably one of the best movies I've ever seen, if not THE best as far as realism, nostalgia, and the effort they put into it. It was unreal how fucking great it was.
This a great conversation; I was an Army guy a few years ago but learned a ton about Navy and Marines…thank you both for this!
Jocko has had a great career. But he’s sitting across from a man whose resume can never be duplicated. That’s pretty impressive.
Amazing how he was at the top of his game, and yet still had the humility to almost downplay his accomplishments. :)
That's a real man right there. :)
I don’t think either one of their careers can be duplicated
@@cullertransportation Jockos careers highlight was leading a Task Force (60 people) in Ramardi....he was a Lt Commander..1 silver star....His great friend Seth Stone RIP was A Commander ..2 silver stars......both great men .....Jocko is famous but many Seals have had amazing careers....Jocko is not unique......Dave Berk is
Jonny kim…former seal, harvard doctor and current nasa astronaut. No offense but jonnys resume destroys everyone
@@chanang453 I was an Army Ranger 2005-2010. Your comment about Jocko not being unique is extremely off. If you're a highly decorated Navy SEAL, you're unique. Period
PS-its Ramadi. Not Ramardi
Love how Jocko listens to his guests. Some are so worried about "owning their show" and have to have the louder voice. Good work
that's cause he has nothing to be insecure about. The dude is a top seal, he knows where he lies amongst us regs
One of the best movies I’ve seen in a long time. I would love to see Dave give us a walk through of each fighter jet he’s flown.
I would too but its illegal XD
I saw it with my wife and I swear she was even more into it than I was. She hasn’t stopped raving about it for days. The cinematography was absolutely nuts. You can see the G-forces impacting the actors’ faces, and they clearly did a lot of it for real.
Sat on the edge of my seat the whole movie. A good old movie about warriors and the relationships between them. A movie about accomplishing the mission, about having each other's back. I really enjoyed the talk between Jocko and Dave. These guys don't just talk the talk, but, walk the walk. Thank God for our protectors, our defenders - our warriors.
I’m a movie theater Safety Advisor, I was just wondering at any point of sitting on the edge of your seat if you fell off or did you feel reasonably safe while sitting on the edge?
@@wizcorn9958 While watching Top Gun Maverick, I pushed my AMC Movie Theater Seat to the limits, beyond authorized parameters and design limitations. Remember, it's not about the Movie Theater Seat, Sir, it's about the Movie Goer. I might fall off the seat someday, but not yesterday!
@@chrissergeant7798 the viewer in the box, you mean. 😂
@@justinTime077 Yup!
Thank God for our warriors, but a time is coming when all weapons will be laid down for good.
Anyone in a leadership role must see this interview! The common theme between the SEALS and TOP GUN: remaining cool, calm, collected.
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this is where REAL men are POWERFUL men and it takes a REAL woman to tame one of these men and take care of him, and it takes a REAL woman to give birth to one these fabulous men...and a REAL man to develop his son.....god bless the FAMILY unit....
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@@judiechamblee9581 Jesus, if only more modern American women thought like this . Bless you Judie
I was a S.E.R.E. instructor at Warner Springs, California,,,,Fasotragrupac, North Island ....1979 to 1981...... Thank You both for Sacrifices and Service....
After seeing the movie yesterday, found this interview soooo interesting and loved hearing these professional military personnel discuss Top Gun-Maverick. Great to hear their take on it all.
Thanks for explaining aspects of training, etc, to us common people. I don't even fly in a commercial plane, but seeing jet pilots do their maneuvers out here at our little lake in Texas is awesome! You just stand watching and hoping they do some inverts or stunts overhead!
Loved this interview. Thanks again!
Man what a great interview!! This man was very humble, EXTREMELY knowledgeable and I thoroughly enjoyed the entire video. I was lucky enough to be stationed on the U.S.S. Eisenhower, CVN 69 in the mid 90's and I can tell you that the movie Top Gun was EASILY responsible for 50% of the people being in the Navy! As an AO I got to work with the plane air crews and talk to several pilots when we were off duty and they said the same thing! The carrier scenes were AWESOME and definitely gave an idea of how a flight deck can be...organized chaos we used to call it. This movie hit EVERY button and some of them twice. It's been a long time since an entire theater was laughing, crying, hooping and hollering that way, and at the end a very hearty clap and applause...dayum I LOVED IT.
Can you believe the ike is still chugging around? Lol
Love this dude. "I can do both of those things? and so I did." Lol
Dude saw the original at 13 and it helped shape his life so its crazy af that he was brought on to check out the script and give notes for the sequel 30+ years later as a very accomplished and uniquely qualified veteran fighter pilot/senior instructor for TOPGUN. It's crazy when stuff comes full circle like that.
Dreams are made of moments like these, isn't it,
A lot of lethality sitting in one room! Great interview Gents and thank you for your service to the both of y'all!
Fantastic interview. Thank you both for your dedicated service (and thank you to your families for their sacrifice!!)
Humility is everything. Awesome interview, a pair of bad asses.
there's thousands of Navy Seals...past and present.......this guy is qualified to fly. F14s....F18s...F22s ...and F35s.....thats a one off pilot....RESPECT !!!
@Slowmo I never said or suggested he was a Seal.....my point was there are plenty of Seals but not many guys with Daves qualifications....
That movie was so good, everything about it was amazing! I teared up so many times, especially when Jon Ham relieves Maverick of his teaching position saying "All you've done is show them it can't be done" and then the next day while Jon Ham is instructing and Mav does the thing and shows them it can be done. Yeah, it's a bit cheesy but I thought it was perfectly executed movie coolness.
Absolutely love this. I'm a civilian commercial pilot, and I love the part where Jocko asks Dave about the normal daily life of a pilot. In response, Dave says ' Mostly not flying' which is incredibly true. We all plan intensively, and monitor circumstances. Love this interview. Great work, boys.
Anyone else say "YES" out loud when he said, "do you want me to go through the bird strike sequence now?". So bummed Jacko moved past that, but I'm being picky. Great interview.
Seriously made my coworker jump as I didn't even realize I had been saying out loud the exact same thing!
bro as a jet engine mechanic in the air force there is nothing worse then working an engine that had a bird strike. Its like the boogeyman of the jet engine world.
@@MrSpotface Not that great for the bird either.
@@MrSpotface I have heard the horror stories when I was stationed on the Eisenhower, my best friend was an AD, and one helluva grease monkey. Swear that man could fix anything with a pry bar and a crescent wrench.
@@MrSpotface just be glad it’s not an aircraft carrier deck ape inside
When Dave Berke mentioned that there is a significant gap between a senior instructor and the best student, it made the scene from the original movie where Maverick went after Viper have a much clearer picture of how high the stakes were and just how "ballsy" Maverick was to put himself out there and really test himself and find out what he's really made of.
All that scene did was show Maverick how foolish he was for leaving his homie the only part about that scene that liked was when a viper was like damn this kid's good other than that it was just a dude who didn't trust anyone not even his best friend and Rio enough to listen to him and guy who needed to be humbled
@rob hoppe the defense department regrets to inform you your sons are dead because they were stupid
@@doejohnathon3487 the defense department regrets to inform you your sons are dead because they were stupid
Yall need to keep in mind that it's fake lmao
@@Ge0rge_0rwell of course it is but my 4-year-old self couldn't distinguish that when i first watched the movie and my old man just laid into me about how fucked up an irresponsible that would be but I probably haven't seen that movie or that scene in 15 years
I love all these top pilots loving Top Gun, old and new.
The end made me tear up. I haven’t had a movie make me feel that way in a long time. I felt a real loss for cinema.
As a recently retired Army veteran, I was honored to be an Instructor/Course Developer & understand it's about the students/trainees and let your results speak for themselves, work hard and be a team player, no bragging or accolades needed, seeing my Soldiers succeed and just see it click is everything. These two are great brothers in arms and the sheer amount of dedication, hard work and knowledge to get to where Burke is, is simply amazing.
Just take a moment to consider what kind of an A-team Jocko was with in Ramadi man
And jocko didn't do jack shit
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More like AAA+++
Fucking crazy amount of motivated hard chargers there.
Feel bad for the enemy if I see jocko I'd be running
Jocko your podcasts keep me sane. I’ve messed up my life. I still try because your lessons give me direction…. And hope.
we have all messed up bro, keep going
It’ll just make your story that much more interesting at the end. Keep on the path.
Keep moving forward, brother
Thank you so much guys. Will keep pushing.
@@Filterdissman now these comments are the type Id expect on a Jocko post.
Thank you for this interview! It is a real in site for people like me who are civilians. Much respect and gratitude to you serving our country!! Nothing but love to you all !!! Vets and current active soldiers!!!
This was a GREAT interview. Had fun watching this. Great questions with the real guy who can answer them.
Jocko, I really enjoyed this, I'm a retired CW4 AH64 A/D Pilot Afghanistan 03 guy and I love Aviation so it was nice to hear perspective from a actual Top Gun Guy cheers from Williamsburg, VA :)
Regarding the instructor just destroying the students, check out 40 Second Boyd, aka Colonel John Boyd who will be familiar to any Marine. When he was an instructor at the Air Force Weapons School he had a standing bet that he could beat anyone in 40 seconds. He never lost. Too bad the Air Force didn't realize the impact of his lessons.
father of the OODA Loop!
Why are you saying they didn't realize his impact?
@@marc-etiennemercier6584 I may not have worded that very well. What I meant was that they didn't appreciate his contributions. That is evidenced by two things. First, he retired as a colonel instead of a general. Second, very few Air Force personnel attended his funeral. It was either one or two people depending on who you ask. The room was full of Marines.
Can confirm. I highly recommend the book about him. They realized his impact but it was well after he died. The F-16’s design is the way it is because of him, the A-10 exists because of him, the F-15 doesn’t have variable sweeping wings because of him, the OODA loop- he’s a modern Sun Tzu in terms of his warfare philosophy.
@@joecavett885
The Air Force eventually did appreciate what he did but only way after the fact, which is sad. When he came up with his energy-maneuverability charts and really changed how dogfighting was analyzed, managed, and trained, the experts at Wright-Patterson HQ were pissed off because Boyd came up with it instead of them. After that, they poisoned the well. They couldn't stop his technical brilliance and his accomplishments but they could use their influence to shove down his career and they sure made it a full-time job to do that. He was stuck for years at the Pentagon without really having a job. They kept getting him an incentive ride in an F-16 at Andrews AFB and then canceling it an hour before he was scheduled to actually go. They did things like that to screw around with him, and it was all just political BS, so lame. I guess he was supposed to present this brilliant work to Wright-Patterson HQ and let them present it all over the USAF like it was their work. Since he had the horrible nerve to claim credit for his own work, they used their influence to ensure that he'd never get promoted and get shoved down and treated like a dog.
My grandfather was a Lt. Col in the Marine Corps and was a pilot - I believe he joined sometime around 1946 and was in until the 80s. He never talked to me about it much (wasn't much of a family man), so this is a pretty cool breakdown & way to connect with his memory, God rest him. Thanks for doing this.
My time on the flight deck was before TG. I always struggled to try to explain how chaotic yet perfectly choreographed the deck was during cyclic ops. When TG came out, it helped with the explanation, but I think the new one actually put more focus on it.
(CV-59, A-7 squadron)
Hilarious how many times Jocko tries to get him to admit he’s the best pilot
Has to be less than a few hundred who are considered "the best of the best".. Am I crazy here ? 🤔👍✌️
Aviators.
Best of the best, lol. When you’re a pilot you realise very quickly there is no such thing, just different types of pilots who do some things better and some things worse than other pilots, fast jet pilots don’t make good commercial pilots for example without addressing certain personality traits, or helicopter pilots etc. However, any current professional pilot can fly a fast jet with equivalent training, and any good pilot could do very well at top gun school. Throw into the mix certain countries pilots have done much better in military exercises than their Top Gun equivalents
I'm sure he has a BAMF 🏅. Lol
"In case some of you wonder who the best is, they're up here on this plaque on the wall. The best driver and his RIO from each class has his name on it, and they have the option to come back here to be Top Gun instructors."
It's hard to understate the impact that the OG TopGun had on me as a 17 yr old back in 1986, and literally thousands of kids like me. And I believe the new TopGun will have the exact same effect on today's young future warriors.
And now you a bus pilot
The internet ruined that effect. Back then we had nothing but TV and reading materials. Today's kids are saturated with things like Top Gun.
@@somebb yes like porn
So if had such a positive effect why did you end up like this?
@@christopheredig2332 😹😹😹😹😹
This pilot is one of a kind. He is also humble and very casual but full of knowledge.
Fantastic interview. Looking in from Ireland 🇮🇪
Just saw T.G. MAV yesterday(Thursday) and It was AWESOME!!! Totally worth the ridiculous wait. I've watched some pilot reviews and this was the BEST!! THANKS Jocko for setting this interview up.
Like Carlos said, I know I was smiling Alot throughout the movie ! Especially when Maverick was riding his motorcycle to Top Gun and he was smiling ear to ear, I felt so happy for him.. We ALL smiled with him ! I embraced what the story had to tell.
I'm glad you got the one person who could give the qualified answers to candid questions the others were just outside the picture on. You did it Jocko, a SEAL got in personal to the TOP GUN pilot and brought us the best Intel ! Thanks to both of you for your service and this awesome interview!! ( can't wait to see the movie again in IMAX )
Yes when Tom Cruise was smiling ear to ear on his motorcycle the whole world was smiling with him
When Maverick and Rooster rolled out of the hanger in that F-14 Tomcat,… I caught myself saying out loud, “Damn, that’s a beautiful machine.”
What a fucking awesome scene. Went with my 19 yr old son and right before that scene he leans over to me and whispers "Dad....didn't they say they had F-14s at that base...?"......we looked at each other and just went....Noooooo....they aren't going there, are they? HOLY SHIT THEY ARE!!!
36:55 is very relatable for me, now I’m now fighter pilot or a pilot at all, but I am a naval aircrewmen. It’s not my original job so I had to apply for a special billet. I got assigned to VPU-2 and I was the last crew as well (Sundown). Very rewarding and special time in my life, not to mention it was in Hawaii as well. Good times 😎
jockos podcasts look like an interrogation
I am grateful for every American pilot over polish sky, patrolling the nato border. You are awesome.
Are they a common sight in the air?
@@roryoliver6743 there is a military airport close to the Ukraine border, it’s busy.
Be certain of one thing --- if Putin ever decided to invade Poland --- America will be fighting side-by-side with Polish soldiers!
Are they making our lives better? We are signing up for more oil from Saudi Arabia, go do some research on what that country is doing to Yemen, while we don’t care.
@@markUTview we gotta go solar!
After being raised by a USMC Dad, I joined the USN. Being highly competitive, he often loved to rib me about the differences between the two. Finally, I appealed to unity by pointing out that both are in the Department of the Navy, to which he replied "True, but the Marines are the MEN'S department!"
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Textbook retorts 🥱
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Lol
Who did you steal that from?
The guy is literally indespensable. We need guys like this and guys like jocko leading our military. Blows my mind how some top brass got their job. These are the best candidates for top brass.
What a great interview, I imagine humility is a requisite when you truly are one of the best pilots on earth. Top gun will be the kind of classic movie like Gone With the Wind and the Wizard of Oz, people will watch it 100 years from now and still love it.
Outstanding! Chip is a living legend and completely humble. The kind of leader anyone would want to follow.
I don’t follow or lead. I expect everyone to pull their own weight and make their own initiative. Don’t wait around for a savior, be the savior.
Quit sucking up Rob geez.
That was the most humble “I’m a badass” speech I’ve ever heard
This was an awesome interview. Great questions and great answers!
This is a great movie for all the aviation reasons it has.I am in awe of fighter pilots, the Blue Angels and what they do with seemingly so much ease.
It adds so much to learn from men who have been there done that it is authentic flying. Some credit need to be given this movie is as good as it is because Tom Cruise wanted it to be as authentic as possible in the airplane scenes but with the lighter moments to let us catch up and sit back in our seats again. I loved it and will be seeing it again and again in iMAX and when it comes out to see at home.
I've been waiting YEARS for this movie! Definitely did NOT disappoint! 😁👏👏👏🤷♀️💐
I wanted to be an Mi-24 pilot when I was about 10 or 11. It didn't come thru, but I did served 21 years in the Croatian army. And this interview was cool.
Good shit man.
that was really enjoyable. Jocko you are great at carrying a conversation that was informative without "canned questions". I'm glad I stumbled across your program.
One of the best interviews for both interviewer and interviewed. If there is an awards category for TH-cam interviews this should win for 2022.
His career was absolutely amazing…significant time flying 4 different fighters including both US 5th gens.
@Jocko , bro the more i watch your podcasts the more i realize how much this country needs Real Leaders, like yourself and the majority of your guests. It is disturbing to me to see who and how this country is ran, America Needs Real Men With Character and Morals, capable of putting the betterment of the country before themselves. Jocko this country needs you bro, you must run for office at some point and change the path/culture in which this country is headed.
the greatest leaders resist leadership, for the notion of holding power over one's equals is rejected by their own soul.
the greatest leaders are called to lead, and if they do answer that call, they do so reluctantly.
This interview might be the closest we'll ever get to seeing Jocko show something that could almost be construed as envy.
Haha yeah right!!
This was a fantastic interview and recap. Thank you.
This was a fantastic interview. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Especially the "favorite patch" commentary at the end. As a retired submariner I served on four submarines during my career. My first boat will always hold a special place in my heart. The ships emblem is tattooed on my calf. I work for a gun manufacturer and they are building me an AR with the serial number matching the hull number of USS Memphis (SSN-691) and it will have a cerakoted submarine force theme, as yet to be seen by me. Different tribes, all of us, but the same passion and love of country and our brothers. Also, I really enjoyed the movie. Well done!
I'm a vet of the USS Kentucky SSBN-737, Top Gun is partly responsible for me joining the Navy.
They’ll be taking those AR’s away shortly… then we’ll all be soldiers, this time fighting right here at home, as sad as that is.
@@30AndHatingIt Are you going to let the fibbies put you in cuffs and shackles?
@@30AndHatingIt cringe
Berke is the real deal and for an old guy like myself, 23 when the original came out, it’s nice to hear how for the most part the aviation scenes are pretty accurate. So much respect for the two warriors!
Wow Mr. Berke is so experienced. I was a little older in 1986 (18) and I too wanted to be a fighter pilot. Oh well, I only achieved private pilot. Haha! I am so impressed by you over achieving pilots. My Uncle-in-Law was an Air Force F-16 pilot, F-16 instructor, test pilot, and had input on the X-35. He is now a Southwest commercial pilot out of Dallas Fort worth. Love listening to his stories. Thanks for the video. Can't wait to see the movie! Thanks Mr. Berke!
Great interview. Enjoyed every minute of this. Thank you!