Military Laws Broken: Top Gun (with real JAG)
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Wait what- this video was up,padded around 50secs ago and you commented 2 hours ago?- I love your vids btw
Please review "The People vs Larry Flynt" (Woody Harrelson) or "The Judge" (Robert Downey Jr, Robert Duvaul).
Both are older, but very underrated legal movies. I'm dying to hear your legal analysis of them
@LegalEagle If you look at the two planes you can see that the f-14 as two vertical stabilizers while the f-5 has only one. This would allow the one plane to sort of straddle the other, in that inverted position. So physically there is space for the maneuver. However can the pilots (yes both the f-5 pilot and the f-14 pilot have to cooperate to do this kind of thing) pull off the maneuver without crashing themselves? Thats a completely different question.
@@mizinoinovermyhead.7523 The cockpits are inches away from each other. The single vertical stabilizer on the F-5 is going RIGHT through the f-14. Overruled!
@@LegalEagle Ah, but that was not your point, as stated "wouldn't the tail fins just slap each other?" Which was the point of my objection. You however could rephrase and state "the maneuver as shown is impossible" which would be true. lol Still, I don't think anyone wants to try this, nor do I really think a realistic version of it would be worth the risk.
Objection: Top Gun was released in 1986. The California law that prohibits riding a motorcycle without a helmet didn't come into effect until 1992.
I was going to say the same thing.
The military also had a strict policy against homosexual relations back then.
@@magister343 Don't ask Don't tell?
Or was that jsut durning the clinton administration with an even stricter bias against?
@@magister343 Yes, if I remember correctly, that was only a couple years after the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy came into effect.
@@FornaxusCrucible This movie is actually a few years before the Don’t ask, Don’t tell policy, which was introduced under Clinton in 1993. As crazy as it sounds, it was actually a compromise on the issue at the time.
When I was on a Tiger cruise on the Nimitz one of the pilots call signs was “Wiki”. When I asked how he got that I was told, and I quote, “ he’s like the website, he knows everything but he isn’t always right”
relatable
Confident yet humble.
Yeah, callsigns are secret jokes between pilots busting on each other. And the callsign they get is never going to be "a cool callsign". There's whole videos talking about how new pilots are given their callsigns. It's hilarious. My suggestion is to ply the "naming committee" (the squadron) with a lot of alcohol paid from your wallet and NEVER, EVER, ask for a callsign.
Battlestar Galactica got this right when one of the new pilots wanting a cool call sign got dubbed "hotdog" for his troubles.
that's such a sick callsign tho
Seeing a suited up lawyer (deputy DA at that) (and a vet) say "This is cringe" really tickles my funny bone for some reason.
Well he was a Marine 😂
They're both advertising their businesses here, so that's PR.
goes to show ya, they’re just people too😌
"im maverick"
LE and JAG: ***dies of cringe***
Same
Talking about Callsigns: In the RAF (British Air Force), Ewan McGregor's brother is/was a pilot.
His Callsign is/was "Obi-Two"
Some of the best callsigns I've heard of:
"Blaze" - Caught on fire in the base kitchen
"Headless" - Pilot's last name was Horstman
"Hurricane" - Pilot's first name was Katrina
"Legend" - Failed an exam that no one had ever failed in history
"Vodka" - Pilot’s name was Smirnoff
Gotta appreciate those name puns
Excellent thanks Wing Commander Crash
Hurricane and Headless are both cool AF though
“Popeye” - Last name Doyle, from Gene Hackman in the French Connection
“Lips” - Last name was Houlihan, from MASH.
Licious because her last name was booty and she coincidentally had a big booty.
Fun Fact:
In the end credits of the movie, the military pilot consultants for the film are listed by their names, ranks and callsigns.
It threw me off as a teenager, because the pilots in the movie all have cool callsigns like "Maverick" and "Iceman" and the real pilots are like, "Bozo" and "Dipshit."
"Horse" Caulk also flew in this movie.
@@dongquixote7138 that is a legendarily good callsign
@@dongquixote7138 ha
@@deanjustdean7818 Nope because you’re not supposed to swear or cuss over comms. Yes if under distress (like getting actively shot at) no one within reason will call you out.
I was at an air show and one of the guys was Lt. Prime, and his callsign was "Optimus".
Objection: I am a current Navy JAG and the folks at TOPGUN are Navy pilots. There is no official Navy Regulation that forbids intimate relationships between two people at the same command, unless they are committing Fraternization (e.g. leader/subordinate, officer/enlisted, etc...). The only real problem in a relationship between Maverick and Iceman would have been that same sex relationships in the military were not allowed at the time.
LMAO 😂😂 Nice, 50th like man, also I’m wearing aviators rn watching a video on top gun
It's the Navy, same sex relationships are mandatory
What a twist!
Sustained!
I'm not allowed to do that but I did anyway.
Retired Navy here and you are exactly right on both counts.
The amount of sarcasm demonstrated by this Marine is so perfect. Every other sentence, and said with the straightest face every time.
"It is strongly suggested" killed me.
This might be one of my favourite Lawyer Reacts videos ever. The pacing, the jokes, all on point.
When I was a kid. We thought Ice man was an asshole. But he is 100% the only person with the balls to tell Maverick he's an asshole.
They all have huge egos. If they didn't, they wouldn't be there.
Had the same thing happen when I watched it too. Younger me thought he wasnt nice, but watched it again before the new one was out and was like "huh... He's not actually a dick, he's just saying it how it is" 🤔
It was the same for me when I watched Jurassic Park. Thought that Jeff Goldblum's character was an egotistical dick, but again watched it as an adult as thought "oh... He's actually right and asking the right questions" 😅
@@TickleMoiPickle123To be fair I think that's exactly how he's written, the book paints him as an arrogant "rock-star academic" jerk that no one wants to hear. Problem is he was actually right
Dude who asked for his call sign to be "Maverick" got issued "Hot Shit" in a heartbeat.
Between the Two Top Gun movies, Maverick was actually charged, but thanks to a stellar defense from his JAG lawyer, Lt. Kaffee (of "A Few Good Men" fame) , he was cleared of all charges.
That sounds like a lie. I want the truth.
@@Eggy79 You can't handle the....oh nevermind.
My dad served aboard Enterprise during filming and was ordered to be part of that end scene crowd. He was completely pissed off about it as he had to leave the aircraft he was actively working on up on the flight deck.
Still the most shown video on board Ike as of 2009. They show it at least once a day underway.
Bring this guy back!
I could go for “Laws Broken: Battleship”. The movies are about equally realistic.
@@pokepress Pretty much I was no JAG but I can tell you that Lt. in the movie battleship never would have left port on any ship after that fight he had with if I remember correctly a Japanese Naval Captain who is in fact a senior officer to his USN rank.
Would love to see his take on A Few Good Men as there was a lot wrong with that movie.
I'd love it if he could return for the cinematic masterpiece that is Iron Eagles.
@cak01vej Legal Eagle did it along with a group of other movies, not a stand alone. It'd be interesting to hear a JAG's take on the movie and what it got wrong (for example, there's no UCMJ article for "conduct unbecoming a US Marine" that they ended up being found guilty of violating).
There's something about a real DA organically using the word "cringe"
I can't properly put it into words, but there's something about it
I'll make him say "vibes" next time.
@@democrrrracymanifest First degree cringe?
@@democrrrracymanifest Which, in the military, is probably an executable offense.
For when it's not a crime, but if he had his way it would be.
@@lnsflare1 Only in wartimes. Otherwise it's just 4-5 years in the brigg and a dishonorable discharge.
I did my Navy flight school as an NFO in 1988-1989. Some of the instructors there had been advisors or had worked on the original Top Gun. Their consensus was that Maverick would have lost his wings after the first flyby through a full pattern and the movie would have ended right there.
One of the LTC I had in college had the callsign "Doc" which he earned when his wife went into labor at dinner, and he delivered his child himself. Only Pilot I know with a dope callsign
There’s one other: Ewan McGregor’s brother was a pilot in the RAF, and his callsign was “Obi-Two.”
My former CO's call sign was Nightmare (Harrier pilot).
Cool call sign? Sure. My confidence that the story behind it is actually horribly embarrassing to him on a very personal level? 100%.
WHAT IS THE STORY?
Inquiring minds want to know
I guess it's better than "Bedwetter" though?
I'll take "Screaming in your sleep" for 500$, Alex
A question then about callsigns - could someone assigned a horribly embarrassing callsign either request a new callsign, or simply introduce themselves by a different callsign?
Speaking of callsigns, Tom Cruise related a story where during the training for Top Gun, he went with a navy pilot who's CS was "Bozo". During the flight, with a series of hard turns, Tom was starting to feel sick. He leaned forward to reach down to get his barf bag, and at that moment Bozo pulled into a hard-g climb, pushing Tom's face almost to the floor of the plane. He kept trying to call out to the pilot to ease off, but couldn't get any air to speak. Once they DID level off, Tom snapped at him and asked why he did that.
"They don't call me Bozo for nothing" was all he said.
There are some cool callsigns, until you get behind the meaning
Slag sounds pretty cool. Until you know it means Screams Like A Girl.
Maverick could be a cautionary nickname but he's too much ego to learn
Iceman could have been (accidentaly) locked in the food freezer at some point
Nicknames are allways teribble in the military, we had one guy named Dipstick because he fell into an uncovered cesspool in one of our first nighttime exercises we had, he was caught in the hole by the armpits, thus he became Dipstick.
Personally i earned the nickname dragon due to loud snorring, drooling and yawning after a trip to the bar.
@@erikrungemadsen2081 Mission failed successfully?
Any reasons aside, that's a badass call name.
@@erikrungemadsen2081 Its known as a leveling mechanism in anthropology.
"It acts to ensure social equality, usually by shaming or humbling members of a group that attempt to put themselves above other members."
@@erikrungemadsen2081 my spouse is an aerospace engineer and went to school with a bunch of fly boys. They gave him an honorary call sign after learning that his first time "flying" was when he went flying, head first, over the handles on his snow mobile into a snow bank because he confused the stop and the go. Thus, he became Snowpilot. He's rather proud and fond of it. It sounds cool, until you know why he got the moniker.
My best friend older brother call name was "Badger"....cause he poked one with a stick(it didn't end well for him). His friend he served with, call name was "Bunker" cause he broke his arm falling out of a bunk bed.
Hey at least Bunker didn't sound so bad.
Mine was Fish cause my last name is Bass
I would actually be happy with Badger as a call sign, they are very badass... As your friend's brother learned the hard way lol
Yeah that's the way of handles
My friend had a nickname, I don't know if it's a call sign or not, but his nickname is Newt he found out how toxic a juvenile northern red eft is if ingested.
Sounds like it would suck to be Maverick's defense attorney.
Nah that’d be a crazy amount in billables for so many crimes 😂
@@maxrothgaber9950 I take that back lol.
@@maxrothgaber9950 Navy JAG lawyers don't get paid or get to bill hours.
@@bricefleckenstein9666 Can't personnel in the armed services hire civilian representation? I wouldn't know, I've never been Court Martialed before.
@@davidrosenberg9615 For most cases, no.
Perhaps on capitol cases.
As a retired Sailor, the thing that bugged me about the celebration of the crew on the flight deck is, first, like you say, they have abandoned their posts and becoming FOD on the flight line, but second... the enlisted people up there in the colored jerseys would have ZERO clue what happened in the air.
Aircraft go up, aircraft come down, none of the information about what a squadron does gets back to the ship's crew.
I imagine the officers in the tower rolled down their windows and yelled out to the deck "our guys blew up their guys!"
Exactly. They would have heard all the scuttlebutt later, but not at that time. And those pilots and RIOs need to get those helmets back on - flight ops ain't over!
Even at civilian airports; ground services know nothing. I work for an airline and had a customer come and rage at me. I'm like... I just unload your plane and put your bags on a belt. I don't fly the plane I have NO IDEA why your plane is here I just heard they need a mechanic. Plane get people and bags plane go bye bye; plane come down unload bags and people... plane go up again.
Makes you think, being a skittle probably makes you wonder what the planes youre sending out are up to. I guess in most cases you'd never know, especially if they're doing actually interesting combat patrols. Then again I'm guessing the vast, vast majority of flights are so uninteresting that they wouldnt care anyways. As long as the plane comes back who cares.
Nothing comes in the BEFORE the briefing. The upper brass need to know details first. There are many actions in that movie that makes the USA look bad. Mildly said; They have no discipline.
Top Gun was basically a recruiting ad for the US military. I wonder how many people joined up only to realize they couldn't do all this cool stuff.
Obviously. But so is poverty. And that's more than just an ad, clearly.
Michael Bay's transformer movies are basically military films imo
They can become fighter pilots just like them, but it’s very hard and competitive.
You know what's even less fun then being a part of Naval Aviation?
not being a part of Naval Aviation.....Plenty of cool stuff to be had
Was more fun then I expected,
more like Animal house + Hot Shots
Well if it was me i'd at least wanna work with aircrafts by being one of the ground crews or something
Work on the birds and watch them soar into the sky
And if I retire I might keep working as some sort of a mechanic at least
My physics instructor at the academy was teaching at the Top Gun school when this movie came out. He said that the school saw a spike in unsuitable officers being nominated to TopGun after the movie came out. He had gone to Top Gun in his day, and was about the calmest, nicest, and intelligent man I have ever met. He said that a movie about real top pilots would be very boring.
Price of a F-5 (in 1978): ~$1.2 million
Production budget of Top Gun (1986): $15 million
Spencer's look @19:35. Priceless.
A pilot friend (well, father of a friend) earned the callsign "bulldozer." It sounds pretty benign until you learn it was a constant reminder that he once left the taxiway and plowed a significant trench in the grass.
I'm loving some of these call sign stories
So many people think callsigns are always cool. They're usually attributed to something stupid/impetuous/accidental that the pilot/operator was involved in. However . . . my close friend in the RCAF told a great story about a petite female pilot he came up with who, as a second lieutenant and unbeknownst to her, basically swore out visiting Japanese officers (who were quite a few ranks above her). They apologized to her for the comments they made. Her given callsign was JAK: Japanese Ass-Kicker. One of the few cool/badass callsigns. Most, though, are of the Bulldozer variety. 😂
Callsigns are almost never because of something cool. They're usually given to you because of a screw up or something embarrassing.
@@CH-em2wu Yep, this is how my father, a retired RAF captain, ended up with the callsign Auto. Not as in "automobile" but "au-to," the Cantonese word for 'puke,' after what he did to the back of a brand new training jet while he was in SE Asia.
Well, I suppose it's better than 'Ditchdigger'...
Here in the UK in 1968, a RAF Hunter pilot broke of from his flight and flew over london buzzing the houses of parliament 3 times and flying between tower bridge to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the RAF. He was kicked out of the RAF on medical grounds and held for two days but was sent a keg of beer and later exonerated.
My Grandfather was in the RN based in Malta in the late-50s (Radio and Radar) and ran a profitable sideline fixing up old cars for resale using Navy time and resources. They also said they kept a keg of beer to quench thirst.
It was a very different time. 🤷🏻♂️
Didn't the Royal Navy have the option of a daily ration of rum well into the seventies?
The pilot was exonerated on the grounds that while what he did was not strictly legal it was strictly awesome
Flt Lt. Alan Pollock
@@masterofdesaster8 The Rum Ration ended in 1970, but in true military fashion it was replaced by a daily Beer Allowance which still stands to this day.
Fun story, I used to ride with a half top helmet because full helmets would get a little stuffy sometimes in the summer. One time when riding on a normal street, in town, doing the speed limit, a bug (I'm not sure what because it probably didn't really matter) hit me right on the cheekbone and man it felt like I got hit with a baseball. After that, I always wore a full face helmet because I wasn't a fan of losing teeth to a large beetle.
Had a full helmet on one time, got hit in the throat by a bee.
Bought a leather jacket, wore it collar up. Summer? 900 degrees? I do NOT care, that's not happening again
Dad loves to tell the story about falling off a motorbike and walking away with only a small scar on his wrist - thing is, he was wearing full body, full helmet protection. The gear was wrecked; the scar happened through half an inch of leather after the road shredded it and the helmet was scratched up to the point of being unrecognisable. I get the feeling it wigs him what would have happened if he hadn't been armoured up to the eyeballs.
Totally love, love, love Spencer's dry humor. He is a terrific "Guest JAG"! I would love to see more of him _anytime_ his presence would be _at all_ beneficial.
"I've got the need."
"The need for speed?"
"Speed is a controlled substance, Devin, you are committing a felony by offering."
Objection! No offer was actually made.
@@SynthApprentice A matter of interpretation. I'll allow it.
@@itskarl7575 I don’t believe so. There was no reasonable context to believe Devin was in possession of speed - Devin could’ve asked if he had the need for a dragon, or a brick of gold, but that wouldn’t constitute an offer or any evidence of possession.
@@williamlietz7535 You're out of order!
@@itskarl7575 objection, standing. This is a maritime court but these objections relate to terrestrial or aerial crimes.
When I learned that military call signs were meant to be something related to a humiliating experience, I started to justify those call signs:
- Ice Man probably froze at some point in the past in a minor training exercise where he was supposed to lead the exercise
-Goose, certainly his long neck
-Maverick is meant to be a misnomer because he was too much of a loose cannon
I think Goose would be a good callsign for a pilot that goosed a woman and ot slapped for it.
@@tomwhone9804 how does one "goose"?
Maverick because of the unorthodox way he declares his love of another by jumping on couches.
@@ethanhare8026 That could work!
@@Corn0nTheCobb It's kind of a reverse "Melvin"
Adultery by itself can add the complication of possible compromise, particularly depending on your job security responsibility. One of the first things I remember learning is don't do anything that could lend itself to being blackmailed for informational purposes.
Remember kids as long as there are no witnesses there is no war crime
That’s the problem there are plenty of witnesses and these are real crimes not war “crimes”
Take a joke…
@@josephclark2268 nah he's right, we are the witnesses just flying through the sky spying on em
As long as the president pardons you there's also no crime. Just ask my boys at blackwater
Or “it’s not a war crime the first time!”
"It's going to be a bad day for you if that person does not in fact have that security clearance." It'll be a bad day even if they do have the security clearance, since they would also need to have a need to know for the specific classified information they asked you for.
Even if they have have the security clearance and demonstrated need to know, they're in a hangar, not a SCIF.
Thank you! I was surprised they didn't mention need to know.
And, on top of all that, going around stating “I have a Security Clearance” is enough to get that privilege revoked *at minimum* for punishment. And in the Navy, every rate requires some level of a sec clx.
I did have some instructors once insist since they had Secret clearances I could tell them about my TS/SCI job and they could figure out what I could relay to the class.
I instead gave a class on how to qualify for my job field instead. It was the only one that anyone took notes in, and none of our presentations were going to be tested on.
@@elli71 you don't have to be in a SCIF to discuss classified information. I used to be in CID and we did classified investigations all the time. We stored our cases in a SCIF while working then (it was annoying to have to go to the signal command HQ to put my case file in secured storage every night) but our office wasn't a SCIF and we still discussed out cases
Omg. Air Force pilot's daughter here, and watching this brought me back to when I first watched this movie with my dad. He would not shut up about all the shit Maverick did lol. Thanks for taking me back y'all
I lived on an Air Force base for 14 years as a kid. The movie was everything for years. I’m also on memory lane here. It’s a lot of fun.
I know how your dad felt. I'm retired Army watching basically any movie or series that features or is about the military is painful. From the way uniforms are worn, to insignia, to ranks, to how different ranks talk to and interact with each other. To all the stuff with weapons and vehicles.
For example Hurt Locker frustrates me so much.
There is a reason I refuse to watch military based movies anymore. I spend most of the time screaming "they don't do that" or "that's not how that's done!!" at the screen.
It's kind of come full circle in a way, as I'm an equestrian and my son says he hates watching movies with me that have horses in them, because I can't shut up about all the shit they're doing wrong lol
@@whoiamiamnot2104 True indeed! I’m a former submariner, and it makes my stomach hurt every time I watch Crimson Tide.
I never was able to figure out how these lawyers just have all these laws memorized. I know that’s what they are taught to learn but I find it crazy how anyone can learn and memorize all this stuff. Very impressive.
Im sure they brain stormed all this before they pressed record.
I think they don't just learn it, but also understand it😊 which I think it is the best way to learn something😅🤔
The theory I've heard is that there are actual embarassing stories behind all the "cool" callsigns in Top Gun
Goose - snores so loud it sounds like he's honking
Iceman - locked himself in a freezer
No one gets a cool call sign. Tried picking my own cool guy call sign during field training at my first duty station... Was unanimously decided by everyone else that it would be princess. This was in 2003. Some of the guys I keep in touch with still call me that
Like Howard Wolowitz on "Big Bang Theory" trying to get the NASA call sign of "Rocket Man" and wound up with "Frootloops".
How do people get callsigns?
Ouch ya that's unlucky defiantly not one you want to introduce yourself as anytime soon.
@@nekonyx Its generally based on either embarrassing events or interests that become known can also be a spin off of a last name. I got lucky and got the call signs "Hammer" and later "Wolf" but I knew one with the callsign "punchout" think you can guess where that came from ;)
@@pdoylemi exactly lol
I was assigned to a ship in San Diego in 1986, the year Top Gun was made. On military bases it was illegal to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. BUT offbase in plain old California, at the time you COULD ride without a helmet. It wasn't unusual for sailors and civilians who worked on base to wear a helmet on their way out the gate, then remove it as they sped away!
They were idiots.
In 88 or 89 when I was in Great Mistakes I saw someone go to mast for not wearing a helmet when riding off-base. Illinois did not have a helmet law at the time.
To this day, the standards are higher for military bases and motorcycles. You need not just the regular license, but also additional training.
In the Air Force, not only is a helmet required, but so is a reflective garment. The services are pretty rigid about motorcycle usage, and if you're not wearing protective gear (mainly a helmet) should you get in an accident, your survivors could have your life insurance claim denied.
...and it's unclear if Maverick is on base or on a highway alongside the runway. If he is on base I'd be more concerned he is potentially riding on a parallel runway and an inbound plane is going to take him out than that he isn't wearing a helmet...
I think one of the reasons adultery is frowned upon in the military is because it often leads to soldiers shooting each other.
I'm one of your subs!
Yeah, giving someone else in your unit a motive to kill you instead of the enemy definitely sounds like it would be “prejudicial to good order and discipline”. Do not commit adultery, kids. Especially with the spouse of someone who regularly handles weapons.
Also, if it was a superior officer messing around with the spouse of a subordinate, that is a potential MASSIVE abuse of power.
10/10 lawyerman said "cringe", i love him now.
This lawyer is a total cringe himself with the law this and law that. This is what's wrong with America for sure, He's definitely a Biden voter
It’s not cringe when a young Tom Cruise does it tho.
In Australia we call motorcycle riders without helmets “Temporary Australians” and “Organ Donors”.
I just call them "no brainers"
Mr. Smithers to Mr. Burns as Mr. Burns is picking out new organs "All that money you donate to Anti-Helmet law groups is really paying off sir"
As an Aussie I had to laugh and agree.
Meanwhile in Indonesia, Aussie's neighbor, they are as common as house flies.
I live in Arizona where helmets are not required, and I continually got mocked by one particular fellow rider because I always wear a helmet, without exception, and the law on my bike is that my passengers will too. Guess who died in a motorcycle crash while not wearing a helmet. Oh the sweet, morbid irony.
Sounds like after this, and based on how casually he pulls that little maneuver Maverick is lucky his callsign isn’t “LadiesRoom”
Ladies Head... Or maybe just LH for short.
Edit: or maybe Headcall....
Powder room
“I’m maverick!”
“Bro you’ve taken three girls into the ladies bathroom in like a week. You can choose from PissBoy or Dirty Dick. Pick.”
Aren't call signs supposed to be only one word?
@@khamjaninja. call sign Creeper
'Mav' is in bigger trouble than you think. That 'Ladies Room" is located on the quarterdeck of Naval Recruit Training Command San Diego.
Fun fact, the ship being sent out to rescue the SS Layton is actually the USS Enterprise (CVN-65), the first nuclear powered aircraft carrier also starring in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home released in the same year as top gun. A great year for the vessel and for anyone who is a Star Trek nerd
Another fun fact: the Enterprise in TVH is actually the USS Ranger.
@@SFisher1993 I came here to say exactly this.
It wondered into foreign territory
I served with a pilot who was call sign SHAK. It was a perfect call sign.
1. It described the gentleman. He had a large frame.
2. It tells the story in of itself.
3. It's an acronym. The military loves acronyms.
Shit Himself Above Kandahar it was an honor to serve with you.
In the new one another guy also has an acronym. BOB.
@@petermcgill1315 Bouncing On Boobs
@@petermcgill1315 Bob callsign really cracked me up...lol
@@petermcgill1315 Baby on board lol
Mine was "Peeps." I walked in on my major while she was using her breast pump.
There is another aspect of security clearances. Just having "Top secret" clearance means nothing without a clear "need to know".
I was going to point that out, you beat me to it.
And the classified discussion needs to take place in a facility approved for that. Which if any of the locations in Maverick are, NCIS is going to have to spend weeks compiling a damage report given that everyone appears to take their phone everywhere. (One thing the original movie did correctly: nobody took their phone into a SCIF, if only because they couldn't at the time.)
@@BradAckerman It was 1986. No one had a phone to take anywhere.
@@MrGrumblier Indeed.
@@MrGrumblier Exactly. these kids man.
At approx 13:00 your guest refers to menial office work. I was familiar with a former pilot who was kept on an air base and placed in charge of 'Foreign Object Damage' (FOD) patrol - essentially a work party whose job is to police up any and all debris on the runways and taxiways so that it doesn't get sucked into engines where it could cause catastrophic damage.
My dad told me his call sign was Sea Gull because he got attacked by sea gulls while eating lunch 😀
My call sign was Gravedigger.
The back story is I had surgery and was grounded for 6 months, and ended up on funeral detail for 3 months in a row, and continued getting last minute calls after I was no longer on it, usually to fill in for a fri/sat funeral several hours away the following morning. Kinda sucked but I got a bunch of day passes from the squadron commander because of it, which also turned in to a joke among the company after awhile.
Not gonna lie, Gravedigger sounds like a cool name for those who don't know the backstory
Gravedigger doesn't exactly sound like a silly name for a pilot. Kinda badass, actually.
@@marwapranata5698 that's where most callsigns come from.
Slag sounds cool.
Dude Screamed like a girl first time he was shot from the carrier catapult
That's Awesome name. Makes me think of the monster truck called grave digger
@@benwillems8584 "Screams Like A Girl" ahahahaahahaha...... So you have to properly spell it "S.L.A.G." Oooh boy.
I honestly think that after having seen the movie a few times, while Maverick and Iceman sound cool... they're absolutely derogatory. Iceman is for his demeanor to other pilots. He's cold and not very calculating, just mean. And Maverick... earned his because he's constantly doing stuff he knows he shouldn't do because it's dangerous and could get him kicked out of the service.
Maverick: “That’s right Iceman, I am dangerous.”
Steven: “That’s what we call an admission.”
13:50
Im so happy to hear someone else bring up the secondary argument of how horrible the wind would be without a helmet at anything above 30
11:05 Another thing to add about this little part. Not only do you need the clearance but you also have to have the need to know for lots of programs. Not only is there clearance requirements and needs to know, but discussion of classified information is also limited to certain areas, typically not open air bays and especially not at any random brief where. A third point is everyone could have the correct clearance, perhaps be a part of the program that could get them that said info, and be in a classified processing area and you can still get in trouble for disclosure of certain information at improper times.
Clarification for Clearance: Just because you have TSSCI clearance, does NOT mean you get to hear everything that is TSSCI. You still need to have a "Need to know" to have that information. It needs to be absolutely vital for the person to know this information. So even if someone says " I have the clearance" your response should be "Why do you need to know?"
Your response should be "cool, find out through the proper channels."
"If you _have clearance,_ you'd already have been briefed."
Her job is to analyze the capabilities of the adversary's aircraft and instruct the pilots on them. That means she has need to know because she cannot possibly do that without being looped in on new intelligence like first hand observation of the craft's performance, including the context of the situation that allows her to assess that information.
Maverick jumped in in the middle of a lecture to interject that he had seen the MiG28 do something that she had just said it couldn't do, and when she pressed for details of the circumstances he said "Oh, you don't have the clearance for that." Well, she does, and their CO standing right next to them knows that-- that's why he brought her there to lecture them on what are surely Classified details about opposing aircraft. Even Maverick knows it or he wouldn't have ALREADY told her that the plane can do a negative 4 G dive. He's just deliberately being a dick.
@@dongquixote7138 Absolutely! If she needed to know she shouldn't be asking in a semi-public environment. But, despite what Maverick says, I get the feeling it's operational information that (in theory) everyone present should know already and he's just being a dick. I mean, he's not called "Maverick" for actually following orders like a good officer, now is he?
exactly, my wife has clearance through her job and when she got it the first thing they told her was unless explicitly told otherwise, assume you have no right or authority to share information with anyone.
"As Maverick's defense attorney..." and 6 years later...Tom Cruise plays a Navy Defense Attorney.
That's another Legal Eagle episode entirely
Has Legal Eagle covered A Few Good Men?
@@GhostBear3067 Yes they have, and it's everything you'd want it to be.
This movie portrays the military as like some kind of wacky college fraternity where you can pull pranks on people and the dean will just give you a smack on the wrist, lol.
Lol right "that's an order!" Actually means something
I love these two 🙂👏🏻 Great work Devin and Spencer!
7:40 "No one has a cool call sign like that." Judging from the _actual_ call signs of the stunt pilots that appear in the closing credits, I have to agree.
Yeah like Lt. Peter "Horse" Caulk. Say that one out loud and tell me you aren't dying of laughter. Guarantee his squadron mates were when they gave him that one. Bozo and Loner are some other highlights.
The other thread mentioned lots of punnery on names: a female pilot Katrina "Hurricane", a "Headless" Horstmann, and a "Vodka" Smirnoff. Definitely NOT Hollywood-style callsigns, but not related to any cringeworthy incidents. For all we know, "Iceman" could have locked himself in the freezer room. ;)
@@KomradeDoge OMG i didn't even notice that, ... i'm definitely dying of laughter!
@@achtsekundenfurz7876 I tremble in fear at what callsign “Dickinson” would get…
Something like “My” or “Fitya”
@@Ballin4Vengeance "Emily", naturally.
Fun thing about Military law, you’ll notice that whenever they point out an event and the charges in them you may notice that there are multiple. Most often when the military really wants to actually charge you, they will throw in atleast 3 and 1 will always be conduct unbecoming because it guarantees that this charge will likely stick. In short don’t commit any crimes in the military, you won’t win.
Just like the civilian criminal judicial system. The DAs office will always file multiple charges; “conduct unbecoming of an officer” is the military equivalent of disorderly conduct.
@@TheDecoCottage Pretty much
@@TheDecoCottage that’s only for officers ie commissioned normal military ie soldiers and sailors and airmen it’s bringing the service in to disrepute it covers everything from sneezing on parade to killing the president and everything between
Basically the "Murder, arson, jaywalking" clichê. Throw some minor but easy to prove in, so it's not a "dismissed on all counts." Even if the only one the y can prove is minor, it'll go down in your record.
Also, there are probably 3 levels of "buzzing the tower": one, as mentioned, during the Top Gun program, would be the least severe.
Two, in an area of active tension during an official military operation, it would not only be unsafe flying, but disrupting a military operation. That's already pretty bad. IDK what the offense is called exactly, but it's already a severe one, since it can not only mean harm or death to a single other aircraft but also harm an important mission, which can easily lead to e.g. loss of the ship in question. If that offense sticks, Maverick would face dishonorable discharge and some years.
The third and most severe one is in a war, whether a declared one or one triggered by an act of war. As has been mentioned, in that case, death penalty wouldn't be off the table.
Yes, and don't forget Double Jeopardy. Once you are flogged in Civilian Court's, the military gets in line and goes to work on you.
HAHAHA Re: call signs - my brother ended up with a super embarrassing call sign bc he drank way too much at a house party once and threw up all over the couch and the couch had to be THROWN OUT. He has wholly embraced it and absolutely loves his call sign, but you’re 100% right about call signs being a result of something stupid or embarrassing.
Marine here. The Marine JAG you brought on this episode is hilarious as hell! Agree on all points.
There was no helmet law in CA when the movie came out. However, on base military personnel had to wear a helmet, hard sole shoes and a reflective vest. So he violated all those regulations. And of course would have never been allowed hear the flight line.
Tbf, if they were restricting themselves to the exact laws and penalties from when the movie came out, this would’ve taken a lot longer to make… if you think researching state, national, military, and maritime law is a pain, try researching OLD state, national, military, and maritime law.
Also, the Maverick x Iceman bit in the middle of the video would have been more depressing if they had stuck to historical law…
That vest thing may only apply to navy bases. As an AF rider we weren't required to wear vests until the late 90s
IIRC New Hampshire is the only state with no helmet law.They also don't have seat belt laws for adults (but they have a law for kids).
@@jackfitzpatrick8173 that is untrue. In NH if your under 18 you must wear a helmet.
When I rode there in the 90's Indiana and Washington didn't have laws for that but they do now. Iowa and Illinois are the only 2 states without laws for that.
@@GeryonM Nope didn have the vest thing till the 90s
thank you for promoting motorcycle helmets! my uncle was killed a few years ago in a crash - he was wearing one of those little "prop" helmets that only cover the top of your skull. he ended up with a severe skull fracture beneath the back of his ear which killed him. please PLEASE always wear a helmet, and wear a high quality helmet that covers your entire head and face!
Yeah "but I don't wanna look like a nerd, I wanna look _cool_ " 😄
"All the gear, all the time." Happy riding! 🙂👍
My uncle flew a few dozen feet after hitting a Fiat 125p on his Harley like 10 years ago. He'll never walk properly again. This and having a friend die from excessive speed, is why I won't ride.
If I did though, I'd wear more than a helmet.
There's a reason they always tell you not to touch a motor-biker who's been in an accident and especially not remove the helmet: it could very well be the only thing holding their skull together at that moment, they're designed with that in mind as well. Call an ambulance and do whatever the operator tells you but DO NOT. TOUCH. THE HELMET.
Didn't save a buddy of mine even wearing dull gear. Be careful taking left turns in busy intersections.
the two of you played off of one another really quite well..
the look of shock and indignation on his face at the end was sublime when he noted that they should all be actually doing their jobs, not celebrating.
I had Top Secret Clearance when I worked my last duty station in Washington DC area and I could not reveal anything that I had or knew except to the persons that I was told to give it to and I had to know that they had the proper clearances and also the need to know the information that was requested.
"Who is this random guy driving his motorcycle on our flight line and shaking his fist at us? I'd get an investigation going at least"
I feel like that was unintentional gold
agreed!
Do more of this -- I'd love to see more specialist "laws broken" interviews. The interplay between you and Spencer was a lot of fun to watch.
I agree. But what are some other non military examples of popular movies where there'd be legal specialists? I'm blanking but it's a cool format.
That Spencer guy is hot.
Concur.
@@rvawildcardwolf2843 medical easily. mechanical could be too. and there must be tons more
@@leonardo899 I’m a straight male and I still agree whole-heartedly
I used to tell my troops in Kandahar, it's all about perspective, they're the bad guys only because they're on the wrong team. In their eyes you're the invader and you're the bad guy.
Hitler was the bad guy, even if you were German.
Being in the military my mom asked me if I liked the movie. I was like no if anything the military experience ruined the movie for me because how unlikely almost every aspect of the movie would have been
Oh yeah, my mom doesn't like to watch military related movies with me anymore because I nitpick. I'm somewhat able to suspend disbelief for Top Gun 2, but yeah. The flight deck and hangar bay scenes annoy the crap out of me
This JAG is both hilarious and the most anti-fun guy I've ever seen
As is the cause with most Marine officers
As "Terry Mactire" mentioned, he was a Marine officer; and quite possibly, a ring knocker as well (he graduated from the Anal Academy).
@@terrymactire1669 yea, when they turn POG their humor goes out along with their humility and accountability.
@@Mooncricketstinks As a pog this offends me. That being said there's some truth to it.
He has a very strange brand of deadpan going...
I'm dying! Devin building up to his Danger Zone joke and Spencer trying to figure out what law or terminology he is forgetting until Devin says Danger Zone and he just gets that "Son of a..." look on his face.
I just keep having Archer flashbacks
@@fuzzblightyear145 Especially the way he keeps saying it.
I think he literally thought Devin was an idiot for a moment. Look at his face when he first says “planes are going into a zone of danger”.
Timestamp?
@@KarlDag 19:26
Spencer: "3-4 years in the brig"
The screen: "4-5 years in the brig"
Ret. AEC here. Yep the flight deck celebration would have been a temple vein bursting reality inverting fury. The fear though would be for the rest of global humanity at where the Deck Boss was at.
"Since everyone on the internet is an expert in military law, what makes you qualified..."
Wonderful opening statement. 👏 👏 👏 👏
I guess, if you want to call him "qualified".
Not to mention the best copypasta to ever exist right after it.
I’ll have you know I got my Juris Doctorate from American Military University, mainly concentrating on Barracks Law.
@@jkhoover You're clearly not even qualified to type full sentences 😅
Barely passable grammar, at best 😏
@@zackwatson6438 I once fought a speeding ticket.
"Nobody has a cool call sign like that"
There is military-wide nickname convention of someone's nickname or call sign being their shittiest trait or literally the name of what they do if they are integrated with another unit.
Maverick would have been called "Napoleon" for sure. 100%. No doubt in my mind.
I’d have tried to make it “Tiny D”.
How about "Boner-pard"
Maverick would never climb the chain well enough to be Napoleon.
Maverick's call-sign actually suits him. It's his shittiest trait: he's a maverick; basically a rattlesnake's tail about how he's a loose cannon and not a good team player. Even Charlotte and Iceman comment on it. The only three who have "cool" callsigns are Iceman (pun very much intended), Sundown and Viper.
Ewan McGregor's brother flies in the RAF and his call sign is Obi-Two. Not US, sure, but a cool call sign.
It's refreshing just seeing more laid back and funny approach to explaining law's. I'm just a music man so all this is cool to learn. Thanks Devin! Thanks Spencer!
surprised there was absolutely no discussion of Goose's death and the very brief scene of Mav getting cleared of it. I know it technically wasn't a broken law as he was cleared, but still expected some discussion of why he was cleared, what would have happened if he wasn't, etc.
Can we get more of this guy? Maybe more military movies analyzed? Also funny anecdote, I served as a weapons technician in the air force and well funnily enough got myself a callsign due to a quite an embarrassing accident I had, I got hit to the groin by a rocket that another technician was loading into a pod, people after that called me Nutshot, which in hindsight is kinda cool but still embarrasing
So does just one person call you that and everyone piles on?
I mean, if you have to be hit in the groin, it might as well be with a rocket.
@@nekonyx Never been military, but based on my experience with nicknames, likely everyone who knows the story is thinking about how to make it a permanent joke, and one guy has an idea that sticks. Then people who don't know the story hear the name, ask how you got it, and soon they've joined in.
Time for Crimson Tide, Hunt for Red October, A Few Good Men, The General’s Daughter, JAG episodes. Do it!
When I was working as a delivery driver, I took a day off to go see an early showing of LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring. My boss gave me the nickname Frodo. 20 years later and I still correct people that call me a man, I'm a hobbit, dammit!
The term originated with fighter pilots. “Hard deck” was slang for an altitude (10,000 feet or so) that represented ground level during flight training exercises. If you went below the hard deck, you had hypothetically crashed and were out of the exercise.
Reguardless of what these guys are saying, I always wondered about that. If he technically crashed he should have won that exercise without continuing the chase?? He won. Why didn’t that count, why continue?? But oh yeah it’s a movie.
@@johncamp7679 Perhaps the hard deck existed only for the pilot students, they were the ones who were being taught afterall. Like you say its a movie but if hard deck simulated the ground then Tom Cruise should've stayed above it even if it mean losing the exercise
@@johncamp7679 That's correct. Maverick shouldn't have gone below the hard deck but it should have been Jester being chewed out for going below it first. Either that or Jester "crashes" in the exercise and Mav get's automatic credit for the kill by forcing Jester to do it.
And chasing the opponent unter the hard deck is actually counted as a kill?
@@johncamp7679 good point. If Maverick forced Jester to drop under the hard deck, Mav could’ve pulled out at the last few secs and won the battle. Of course, everybody was violating the hard deck there in the desert, sometimes below the rocky peaks around them.
A buddy of mine's callsign is Hodor because he tripped opening a door in front of a lot of people at flight school 🤣
To be fair this was before 1992 when California passed it's motorcycle helmet law.
Another thing about adultery: It would very much affect your security clearance.
A foreign government with knowledge about your affair could use that as leverage against you.
Only if the affair is not public. I have heard you can fess up to tons of stuff during your clearance process with no problem, it's the stuff that they find that you didn't mention that gets you.
@@blackswanmtg It's more nuanced than this. The deciding factor is if that knowledge means an adversary has power over you. So like, if you don't want your wife to find out, it doesn't matter if you are honest about the affair on your clearance form. On the other hand, if you list as one of your references your lover, who has a husband, And you say "Yes, I know she's married. Yes, he knows about our relationship too." Once the investigator verifies everything, there's no problem.
Truth. When a service mbr is evaluated for security clearance his/her records are screened. Personnel screens their service record, and their medical records are also screened. One of the things we were told to look for was repeated treatment for sexually transmitted diseases- which indicates poor judgment, & data that could be used against them as leverage.
As a person in the military you're wrong your security clearance will be fine. As long as it's not an affair with an employee of a foreign government and you haven't broken any laws it won't affect clearance at all but it will affect your career especially if you have some kind of public facing position
There is an old, Greek, I think, myth about a soldier who was married to a beautiful woman. His superior officer wanted that woman, so he posted the soldier where he was sure to be killed. After that the superior married cette woman.
Even just coveting someones wife or girlfriend/boyfriend, and not even committing outright adultery, in the military can be very dangerous.
You need to invite him back more often. Your buddy is super funny. I can immediately tell he was a marine officer. Carries himself with that exact mentality. Good shit
I served with this dude. Hilarious man. Great JTAC.
I agree. This guy is pretty bad ass
agree
dude is cool af
X2 Please do more vids with him, thanks!
Really enjoyed watching you guys talking together and laughing. Very fun episode 😁
What I’ve never got about the going below the hard deck thing is that the instructor he was battling went below the hard deck first himself. So why is nobody calling him out?
I’m going to assume that the Hard Deck represents an arbitrary rule of engagement one will sometimes see on deployment.
@@kurtuhlig2553 I’ve heard actual fighter pilots talk about it. Basically, in training, the hard deck represents the ground. So effectively if you drop below the hard deck as far as the exercise is concerned you just crashed into the ground. Basically for the point of safety it’s pretending the ground is higher than it actually is so if they crash into the ground based on the training parameters they haven’t actually crashed in real life.
"why does the military frown on adultery"
For the same reason betraying your peers in any other way is: it destroys unit cohesion
And because its generally disgusting. Destroys a lot of people.
But if the wife pulls a "dear john" john gets to pay.
And yet, people who work for the military have the highest divorce rate among all career types. Jodie is always busy, and is hated by everyone.
At the end of the day, marriage is an agreement, and adultery is the breaking of that agreement. If someone can’t be trusted to keep his promise to his wife, can you trust him with your back on the battlefield?
@Ian Shaver IDK. The impulsiveness you get from being horny is pretty different from an impulsiveness to betray your country.
Honestly, one of the coolest things about the Stargate franchise is, the military stuff not only feels real, but also _realistically serves the plot._ Heck, several episodes actually revolved around the _consequences for military misconduct_ (like O'Neill's temporary dismissal from the service for "stealing" shit from an offworld ally)...
Legal Eagle review of Stargate SG-1, please!
I loved that TV show Atlantis and even discovery ( edit sorry I meant Stargate universe ) which was canceled too soon it had a lot of potential. stealing stuff on an individual level is frowned upon, when it's sanctioned by the state, it's fine.
Most of what I know of military ranks and protocol comes from stargate Star Trek and MASH
Stargate: SG-1 had an Air Force liaison to advise them. And a major reason I chose the Air Force when I enlisted.
They had not one but two Chiefs of Staff of the Air Force displaying themselves in the series.
And on a somewhat humours note. They did film scenes in the actual Cheyenne Mountain Complex. Which is now operated by the Air Force Space Command. And in Stargate they show a in-universe TV show (Wormhole X-treme) that displays a slightly silly version of the "real" thing. Allowing it to continue as plausible deniability in case of a security breach.
With all that together the chance is greater than zero that there is some actual thing in some sort of ironic multilevel meta setup.
As a huge fan of Top Gun (defined so much of my life in the late 80's), this was a thoroughly enjoyable and interesting and and humorous AND well-done discussion! Will watch other videos on this channel, starting with A Few Good Men....
Spencer & Devin you 2 nailed the scenes perfectly.
In a great interview with a former F-14 and F-16N pilot (Keith Nancy), he stated that although some aspects of Top Gun (the flight school) was accurately portrayed, there was no Top Gun trophy, "Because if there was, you'd have had guys killing themselves trying to win it."
as goose did die in the movie for nothing, just for imaginary points in a training exercise.
Yup the real TOPGUN is simply a pass/fail course.
@@Redmanticore Goose would have never died. That canopy would have been nowhere near him. The Tomcat used a similar canopy ejection rocket to my F-15D model, and I saw one in a video being tested for a new canopy we were supposed to be getting. That canopy left the sitting aircraft so fast the camera operator couldn't follow it well until it was well away from the aircraft. Now add a flat spin on top of it, give me a break! "Top Gun" is the biggest joke movie based on the military of all time.
@@cepeck65 Hey, at least it's better than certain movies
@@cepeck65 Dr. Schallhorn said during his interview for the movie, he explained how a flat spin could actually happen with an F-14 and that it complicates ejection. "The aerodynamics of the F-14 flat spin affect the timing of the ejection sequence," Dr. Schallhorn said. "The canopy is jettisoned, followed by the ejection of the back seat, followed by the front seat. In a flat spin, the canopy, when it ejects, bobbles for an extra few hundredths of a second above the aircraft. That upsets the carefully engineered sequence because the guy in the back could then hit the canopy. That sequence made it into the movie."
The PhD in Astrophysics isn’t unrealistic. She could, for example, have started her career in some space related topic and acquired her first aeronautic skills as a spin off.
I have a PhD in materials physics and ended up in automotive software development ten years after my graduation.
Engineering in general is broadly transferable. Mechanical, Civil, Industrial engineers; Electrical, Nuclear, Aeronautical/Aerospace engineers often take jobs in areas of engineering other than the specialty they got their degrees in. When you graduate with an engineering degree and get your first job, you don't really know what to do. I was in a panic, felt like I was totally unprepared until the experienced electrical engineer I was assigned as team leader gave his on boarding talk. That was when I learned those years in school were only meant to teach the basic toolbox of engineering, the rest would be learned on the job as specific details filled in the blanks .
*A doctorate in materials physics, eh ...?*
*When are we gonna see carbon nanotubes on a WalMart shelf ...??*
@@CaryMGVR
If I’m not mistaken, Gekko Tape would be one product that contains Nanotubes and is available at Walmart.
I’m an Airline Pilot with a Ba. in Criminal Justice. It’s amazing the paths our life takes us !!!!!
@@yaff1851
*Awesomesauce!!*
*Thanks for the heads-up!*
🙂👍🏻
Thanks for your input and review Spencer
Something I love about Legal Eagle is that he's never afraid to learn something. He always asks questions instead of just assuming something. I wish more lawyers and people in general would feel this way.
I love the guest star calling out how creepy maverick was for following into the bathroom, and then listing the reasons it's actually a crime
In those days, not so much. The Naval Aviation community used to be insane.
@@craigfelter Tail Hook Scandal anyone?
Back in those people knew how to live to the fullest.
Yea i remember seeing that part of the movie and im like ummmm lowkey sexual harassment
"If he were at war...he could get the death penalty."
That scary moment when you realize Vader executing his officers for incompetence during a war is an actual real deal in military to an extend. (Well...minus the "no trial" instant execution thing, but still.)
All those silly frilly trials for proper justice just isn't affordable for a dude running a planet destroyer, he don't have the USA's military budget after all.😂
Stalin had no problem with speedy executions.
Good news! Summary court marshal and execution is a thing in the UCMJ! I don't think it applies to death penalties but pretty much you can be tried and convicted on the spot, or as close to on the spot as you can get in the United States.
@@kirbyculp3449 But can Stalin use the force? I didn’t think so, checkmate atheist.
@@Mostlyharmless1985 it probably does, treason and cowardice are both punishable by summery execution during a time of war iirc, although the cowardice one might’ve been written out of the law
My friends, you're absolutley awesome....even for your clear way to speak that allows a non english-speaker as me, to have fun and learn something with your videos. Thanks a lot and bella pe voi as we say in Rome(Italy)😄
Does this man have a channel??? He's awesome! We need more of this guy
I like the theory, that the US was willfully trying to provoke a war against the opposing country, by sending hothead pilots to the area, which they hoped would cause an incident which would have good scapegoats in case the incident was ill timed, or a good excuse if they were ready for war.
Seriously, after stepping out of bounds so many times... who recommended them for top gun, and why?
My guess is writer, producer, or director and because it made a better-selling plot. :)
Top gun program was started because a high ranking pilot was flying a training mission when two young pilots flying crappy planes on another training mission decided to dog fight with him and beat the higher ranking officer in a maneuver. The beginning of Nam was a clusterfuck for American fighters until they figured it out
The two original pilots, one of the new pilots and the older officer have given interviews on the start of the program.
@@nordoceltic7225 yeah I know that's why the senior officer who got beat by immediately found out who the two pilots were who beat him cause they were in a much slower non fighter bird. The officer and the new pilot came up with top gun
Well to be fair, if a pilot could do so much that was unrealistic and impossible at times, you'd sure as hell be put up for top gun lol
7:50 can confirm on callsigns. At my highschool we had an aviation class, and the teacher would eventually assign us all callsigns. I got 'Charger' because one day my sister needed to come by in the middle of class, to get my phone charger
But Charger is actually a pretty cool name.
@@NotThatGuy_YepThatGuy true true
@@NotThatGuy_YepThatGuy It sure as hell is better than a callsign like String Bean
@@NotThatGuy_YepThatGuy that might be the easiest let off I've heard for a callsign lol
Sounds like you got super lucky with that call sign. Coulda been "Low Charge" or "1% Left".
Maverick going into the ladies room is pretty tame for 1986 Naval Aviation. Remember, this is pre-tailhook scandal. Those guys were pretty wild in those days, and that's the understatement of the century.
I was in the Marine Corps. We had classes on sexual harassment for days because of that incident. 5,00 men and not a woman in sight.
I just Googled that scandal. Dear lord.