Please review "The People vs Larry Flynt" (Woody Harrelson) or "The Judge" (Robert Downey Jr, Robert Duvaul). Both are older, but very underrated legal movies. I'm dying to hear your legal analysis of them
@LegalEagle If you look at the two planes you can see that the f-14 as two vertical stabilizers while the f-5 has only one. This would allow the one plane to sort of straddle the other, in that inverted position. So physically there is space for the maneuver. However can the pilots (yes both the f-5 pilot and the f-14 pilot have to cooperate to do this kind of thing) pull off the maneuver without crashing themselves? Thats a completely different question.
@@mizinoinovermyhead.7523 The cockpits are inches away from each other. The single vertical stabilizer on the F-5 is going RIGHT through the f-14. Overruled!
@@LegalEagle Ah, but that was not your point, as stated "wouldn't the tail fins just slap each other?" Which was the point of my objection. You however could rephrase and state "the maneuver as shown is impossible" which would be true. lol Still, I don't think anyone wants to try this, nor do I really think a realistic version of it would be worth the risk.
When I was on a Tiger cruise on the Nimitz one of the pilots call signs was “Wiki”. When I asked how he got that I was told, and I quote, “ he’s like the website, he knows everything but he isn’t always right”
Yeah, callsigns are secret jokes between pilots busting on each other. And the callsign they get is never going to be "a cool callsign". There's whole videos talking about how new pilots are given their callsigns. It's hilarious. My suggestion is to ply the "naming committee" (the squadron) with a lot of alcohol paid from your wallet and NEVER, EVER, ask for a callsign.
Fun Fact: In the end credits of the movie, the military pilot consultants for the film are listed by their names, ranks and callsigns. It threw me off as a teenager, because the pilots in the movie all have cool callsigns like "Maverick" and "Iceman" and the real pilots are like, "Bozo" and "Dipshit."
@@deanjustdean7818 Nope because you’re not supposed to swear or cuss over comms. Yes if under distress (like getting actively shot at) no one within reason will call you out.
@@FornaxusCrucible This movie is actually a few years before the Don’t ask, Don’t tell policy, which was introduced under Clinton in 1993. As crazy as it sounds, it was actually a compromise on the issue at the time.
Some of the best callsigns I've heard of: "Blaze" - Caught on fire in the base kitchen "Headless" - Pilot's last name was Horstman "Hurricane" - Pilot's first name was Katrina "Legend" - Failed an exam that no one had ever failed in history "Vodka" - Pilot’s name was Smirnoff
As a retired Sailor, the thing that bugged me about the celebration of the crew on the flight deck is, first, like you say, they have abandoned their posts and becoming FOD on the flight line, but second... the enlisted people up there in the colored jerseys would have ZERO clue what happened in the air. Aircraft go up, aircraft come down, none of the information about what a squadron does gets back to the ship's crew.
Exactly. They would have heard all the scuttlebutt later, but not at that time. And those pilots and RIOs need to get those helmets back on - flight ops ain't over!
Even at civilian airports; ground services know nothing. I work for an airline and had a customer come and rage at me. I'm like... I just unload your plane and put your bags on a belt. I don't fly the plane I have NO IDEA why your plane is here I just heard they need a mechanic. Plane get people and bags plane go bye bye; plane come down unload bags and people... plane go up again.
Makes you think, being a skittle probably makes you wonder what the planes youre sending out are up to. I guess in most cases you'd never know, especially if they're doing actually interesting combat patrols. Then again I'm guessing the vast, vast majority of flights are so uninteresting that they wouldnt care anyways. As long as the plane comes back who cares.
Nothing comes in the BEFORE the briefing. The upper brass need to know details first. There are many actions in that movie that makes the USA look bad. Mildly said; They have no discipline.
Between the Two Top Gun movies, Maverick was actually charged, but thanks to a stellar defense from his JAG lawyer, Lt. Kaffee (of "A Few Good Men" fame) , he was cleared of all charges.
Speaking of callsigns, Tom Cruise related a story where during the training for Top Gun, he went with a navy pilot who's CS was "Bozo". During the flight, with a series of hard turns, Tom was starting to feel sick. He leaned forward to reach down to get his barf bag, and at that moment Bozo pulled into a hard-g climb, pushing Tom's face almost to the floor of the plane. He kept trying to call out to the pilot to ease off, but couldn't get any air to speak. Once they DID level off, Tom snapped at him and asked why he did that. "They don't call me Bozo for nothing" was all he said.
There are some cool callsigns, until you get behind the meaning Slag sounds pretty cool. Until you know it means Screams Like A Girl. Maverick could be a cautionary nickname but he's too much ego to learn Iceman could have been (accidentaly) locked in the food freezer at some point
Nicknames are allways teribble in the military, we had one guy named Dipstick because he fell into an uncovered cesspool in one of our first nighttime exercises we had, he was caught in the hole by the armpits, thus he became Dipstick. Personally i earned the nickname dragon due to loud snorring, drooling and yawning after a trip to the bar.
@@erikrungemadsen2081 Its known as a leveling mechanism in anthropology. "It acts to ensure social equality, usually by shaming or humbling members of a group that attempt to put themselves above other members."
@@erikrungemadsen2081 my spouse is an aerospace engineer and went to school with a bunch of fly boys. They gave him an honorary call sign after learning that his first time "flying" was when he went flying, head first, over the handles on his snow mobile into a snow bank because he confused the stop and the go. Thus, he became Snowpilot. He's rather proud and fond of it. It sounds cool, until you know why he got the moniker.
@@pokepress Pretty much I was no JAG but I can tell you that Lt. in the movie battleship never would have left port on any ship after that fight he had with if I remember correctly a Japanese Naval Captain who is in fact a senior officer to his USN rank.
@cak01vej Legal Eagle did it along with a group of other movies, not a stand alone. It'd be interesting to hear a JAG's take on the movie and what it got wrong (for example, there's no UCMJ article for "conduct unbecoming a US Marine" that they ended up being found guilty of violating).
My former CO's call sign was Nightmare (Harrier pilot). Cool call sign? Sure. My confidence that the story behind it is actually horribly embarrassing to him on a very personal level? 100%.
A question then about callsigns - could someone assigned a horribly embarrassing callsign either request a new callsign, or simply introduce themselves by a different callsign?
I did my Navy flight school as an NFO in 1988-1989. Some of the instructors there had been advisors or had worked on the original Top Gun. Their consensus was that Maverick would have lost his wings after the first flyby through a full pattern and the movie would have ended right there.
Omg. Air Force pilot's daughter here, and watching this brought me back to when I first watched this movie with my dad. He would not shut up about all the shit Maverick did lol. Thanks for taking me back y'all
I know how your dad felt. I'm retired Army watching basically any movie or series that features or is about the military is painful. From the way uniforms are worn, to insignia, to ranks, to how different ranks talk to and interact with each other. To all the stuff with weapons and vehicles. For example Hurt Locker frustrates me so much.
There is a reason I refuse to watch military based movies anymore. I spend most of the time screaming "they don't do that" or "that's not how that's done!!" at the screen.
It's kind of come full circle in a way, as I'm an equestrian and my son says he hates watching movies with me that have horses in them, because I can't shut up about all the shit they're doing wrong lol
A pilot friend (well, father of a friend) earned the callsign "bulldozer." It sounds pretty benign until you learn it was a constant reminder that he once left the taxiway and plowed a significant trench in the grass.
So many people think callsigns are always cool. They're usually attributed to something stupid/impetuous/accidental that the pilot/operator was involved in. However . . . my close friend in the RCAF told a great story about a petite female pilot he came up with who, as a second lieutenant and unbeknownst to her, basically swore out visiting Japanese officers (who were quite a few ranks above her). They apologized to her for the comments they made. Her given callsign was JAK: Japanese Ass-Kicker. One of the few cool/badass callsigns. Most, though, are of the Bulldozer variety. 😂
@@CH-em2wu Yep, this is how my father, a retired RAF captain, ended up with the callsign Auto. Not as in "automobile" but "au-to," the Cantonese word for 'puke,' after what he did to the back of a brand new training jet while he was in SE Asia.
My dad served aboard Enterprise during filming and was ordered to be part of that end scene crowd. He was completely pissed off about it as he had to leave the aircraft he was actively working on up on the flight deck.
Here in the UK in 1968, a RAF Hunter pilot broke of from his flight and flew over london buzzing the houses of parliament 3 times and flying between tower bridge to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the RAF. He was kicked out of the RAF on medical grounds and held for two days but was sent a keg of beer and later exonerated.
My Grandfather was in the RN based in Malta in the late-50s (Radio and Radar) and ran a profitable sideline fixing up old cars for resale using Navy time and resources. They also said they kept a keg of beer to quench thirst. It was a very different time. 🤷🏻♂️
@@masterofdesaster8 The Rum Ration ended in 1970, but in true military fashion it was replaced by a daily Beer Allowance which still stands to this day.
@@itskarl7575 I don’t believe so. There was no reasonable context to believe Devin was in possession of speed - Devin could’ve asked if he had the need for a dragon, or a brick of gold, but that wouldn’t constitute an offer or any evidence of possession.
When I learned that military call signs were meant to be something related to a humiliating experience, I started to justify those call signs: - Ice Man probably froze at some point in the past in a minor training exercise where he was supposed to lead the exercise -Goose, certainly his long neck -Maverick is meant to be a misnomer because he was too much of a loose cannon
One of the LTC I had in college had the callsign "Doc" which he earned when his wife went into labor at dinner, and he delivered his child himself. Only Pilot I know with a dope callsign
Mine was "Real" because my last name is McCoy, same reason LCpl Sanchez got the call sign "Dirty" the cool part is now my Son is at my old unit, (i went through MOS school with his current SgtMaj... Son looks a lot like me... His call sign is "Fake"
You know what's even less fun then being a part of Naval Aviation? not being a part of Naval Aviation.....Plenty of cool stuff to be had Was more fun then I expected, more like Animal house + Hot Shots
Well if it was me i'd at least wanna work with aircrafts by being one of the ground crews or something Work on the birds and watch them soar into the sky And if I retire I might keep working as some sort of a mechanic at least
I served with a pilot who was call sign SHAK. It was a perfect call sign. 1. It described the gentleman. He had a large frame. 2. It tells the story in of itself. 3. It's an acronym. The military loves acronyms. Shit Himself Above Kandahar it was an honor to serve with you.
I was assigned to a ship in San Diego in 1986, the year Top Gun was made. On military bases it was illegal to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. BUT offbase in plain old California, at the time you COULD ride without a helmet. It wasn't unusual for sailors and civilians who worked on base to wear a helmet on their way out the gate, then remove it as they sped away!
In 88 or 89 when I was in Great Mistakes I saw someone go to mast for not wearing a helmet when riding off-base. Illinois did not have a helmet law at the time.
In the Air Force, not only is a helmet required, but so is a reflective garment. The services are pretty rigid about motorcycle usage, and if you're not wearing protective gear (mainly a helmet) should you get in an accident, your survivors could have your life insurance claim denied.
...and it's unclear if Maverick is on base or on a highway alongside the runway. If he is on base I'd be more concerned he is potentially riding on a parallel runway and an inbound plane is going to take him out than that he isn't wearing a helmet...
Objection: I am a current Navy JAG and the folks at TOPGUN are Navy pilots. There is no official Navy Regulation that forbids intimate relationships between two people at the same command, unless they are committing Fraternization (e.g. leader/subordinate, officer/enlisted, etc...). The only real problem in a relationship between Maverick and Iceman would have been that same sex relationships in the military were not allowed at the time.
"Who is this random guy driving his motorcycle on our flight line and shaking his fist at us? I'd get an investigation going at least" I feel like that was unintentional gold
Adultery by itself can add the complication of possible compromise, particularly depending on your job security responsibility. One of the first things I remember learning is don't do anything that could lend itself to being blackmailed for informational purposes.
There was no helmet law in CA when the movie came out. However, on base military personnel had to wear a helmet, hard sole shoes and a reflective vest. So he violated all those regulations. And of course would have never been allowed hear the flight line.
Tbf, if they were restricting themselves to the exact laws and penalties from when the movie came out, this would’ve taken a lot longer to make… if you think researching state, national, military, and maritime law is a pain, try researching OLD state, national, military, and maritime law. Also, the Maverick x Iceman bit in the middle of the video would have been more depressing if they had stuck to historical law…
@@jackfitzpatrick8173 that is untrue. In NH if your under 18 you must wear a helmet. When I rode there in the 90's Indiana and Washington didn't have laws for that but they do now. Iowa and Illinois are the only 2 states without laws for that.
No one gets a cool call sign. Tried picking my own cool guy call sign during field training at my first duty station... Was unanimously decided by everyone else that it would be princess. This was in 2003. Some of the guys I keep in touch with still call me that
@@nekonyx Its generally based on either embarrassing events or interests that become known can also be a spin off of a last name. I got lucky and got the call signs "Hammer" and later "Wolf" but I knew one with the callsign "punchout" think you can guess where that came from ;)
Fun thing about Military law, you’ll notice that whenever they point out an event and the charges in them you may notice that there are multiple. Most often when the military really wants to actually charge you, they will throw in atleast 3 and 1 will always be conduct unbecoming because it guarantees that this charge will likely stick. In short don’t commit any crimes in the military, you won’t win.
Just like the civilian criminal judicial system. The DAs office will always file multiple charges; “conduct unbecoming of an officer” is the military equivalent of disorderly conduct.
@@TheDecoCottage that’s only for officers ie commissioned normal military ie soldiers and sailors and airmen it’s bringing the service in to disrepute it covers everything from sneezing on parade to killing the president and everything between
Basically the "Murder, arson, jaywalking" clichê. Throw some minor but easy to prove in, so it's not a "dismissed on all counts." Even if the only one the y can prove is minor, it'll go down in your record. Also, there are probably 3 levels of "buzzing the tower": one, as mentioned, during the Top Gun program, would be the least severe. Two, in an area of active tension during an official military operation, it would not only be unsafe flying, but disrupting a military operation. That's already pretty bad. IDK what the offense is called exactly, but it's already a severe one, since it can not only mean harm or death to a single other aircraft but also harm an important mission, which can easily lead to e.g. loss of the ship in question. If that offense sticks, Maverick would face dishonorable discharge and some years. The third and most severe one is in a war, whether a declared one or one triggered by an act of war. As has been mentioned, in that case, death penalty wouldn't be off the table.
My physics instructor at the academy was teaching at the Top Gun school when this movie came out. He said that the school saw a spike in unsuitable officers being nominated to TopGun after the movie came out. He had gone to Top Gun in his day, and was about the calmest, nicest, and intelligent man I have ever met. He said that a movie about real top pilots would be very boring.
Had the same thing happen when I watched it too. Younger me thought he wasnt nice, but watched it again before the new one was out and was like "huh... He's not actually a dick, he's just saying it how it is" 🤔 It was the same for me when I watched Jurassic Park. Thought that Jeff Goldblum's character was an egotistical dick, but again watched it as an adult as thought "oh... He's actually right and asking the right questions" 😅
@@TickleMoiPickle123To be fair I think that's exactly how he's written, the book paints him as an arrogant "rock-star academic" jerk that no one wants to hear. Problem is he was actually right
Clarification for Clearance: Just because you have TSSCI clearance, does NOT mean you get to hear everything that is TSSCI. You still need to have a "Need to know" to have that information. It needs to be absolutely vital for the person to know this information. So even if someone says " I have the clearance" your response should be "Why do you need to know?"
Her job is to analyze the capabilities of the adversary's aircraft and instruct the pilots on them. That means she has need to know because she cannot possibly do that without being looped in on new intelligence like first hand observation of the craft's performance, including the context of the situation that allows her to assess that information. Maverick jumped in in the middle of a lecture to interject that he had seen the MiG28 do something that she had just said it couldn't do, and when she pressed for details of the circumstances he said "Oh, you don't have the clearance for that." Well, she does, and their CO standing right next to them knows that-- that's why he brought her there to lecture them on what are surely Classified details about opposing aircraft. Even Maverick knows it or he wouldn't have ALREADY told her that the plane can do a negative 4 G dive. He's just deliberately being a dick.
@@dongquixote7138 Absolutely! If she needed to know she shouldn't be asking in a semi-public environment. But, despite what Maverick says, I get the feeling it's operational information that (in theory) everyone present should know already and he's just being a dick. I mean, he's not called "Maverick" for actually following orders like a good officer, now is he?
exactly, my wife has clearance through her job and when she got it the first thing they told her was unless explicitly told otherwise, assume you have no right or authority to share information with anyone.
You need to invite him back more often. Your buddy is super funny. I can immediately tell he was a marine officer. Carries himself with that exact mentality. Good shit
Fun story, I used to ride with a half top helmet because full helmets would get a little stuffy sometimes in the summer. One time when riding on a normal street, in town, doing the speed limit, a bug (I'm not sure what because it probably didn't really matter) hit me right on the cheekbone and man it felt like I got hit with a baseball. After that, I always wore a full face helmet because I wasn't a fan of losing teeth to a large beetle.
Had a full helmet on one time, got hit in the throat by a bee. Bought a leather jacket, wore it collar up. Summer? 900 degrees? I do NOT care, that's not happening again
Dad loves to tell the story about falling off a motorbike and walking away with only a small scar on his wrist - thing is, he was wearing full body, full helmet protection. The gear was wrecked; the scar happened through half an inch of leather after the road shredded it and the helmet was scratched up to the point of being unrecognisable. I get the feeling it wigs him what would have happened if he hadn't been armoured up to the eyeballs.
thank you for promoting motorcycle helmets! my uncle was killed a few years ago in a crash - he was wearing one of those little "prop" helmets that only cover the top of your skull. he ended up with a severe skull fracture beneath the back of his ear which killed him. please PLEASE always wear a helmet, and wear a high quality helmet that covers your entire head and face!
My uncle flew a few dozen feet after hitting a Fiat 125p on his Harley like 10 years ago. He'll never walk properly again. This and having a friend die from excessive speed, is why I won't ride. If I did though, I'd wear more than a helmet.
There's a reason they always tell you not to touch a motor-biker who's been in an accident and especially not remove the helmet: it could very well be the only thing holding their skull together at that moment, they're designed with that in mind as well. Call an ambulance and do whatever the operator tells you but DO NOT. TOUCH. THE HELMET.
I never was able to figure out how these lawyers just have all these laws memorized. I know that’s what they are taught to learn but I find it crazy how anyone can learn and memorize all this stuff. Very impressive.
I'm dying! Devin building up to his Danger Zone joke and Spencer trying to figure out what law or terminology he is forgetting until Devin says Danger Zone and he just gets that "Son of a..." look on his face.
The term originated with fighter pilots. “Hard deck” was slang for an altitude (10,000 feet or so) that represented ground level during flight training exercises. If you went below the hard deck, you had hypothetically crashed and were out of the exercise.
Reguardless of what these guys are saying, I always wondered about that. If he technically crashed he should have won that exercise without continuing the chase?? He won. Why didn’t that count, why continue?? But oh yeah it’s a movie.
@@johncamp7679 Perhaps the hard deck existed only for the pilot students, they were the ones who were being taught afterall. Like you say its a movie but if hard deck simulated the ground then Tom Cruise should've stayed above it even if it mean losing the exercise
@@johncamp7679 That's correct. Maverick shouldn't have gone below the hard deck but it should have been Jester being chewed out for going below it first. Either that or Jester "crashes" in the exercise and Mav get's automatic credit for the kill by forcing Jester to do it.
@@johncamp7679 good point. If Maverick forced Jester to drop under the hard deck, Mav could’ve pulled out at the last few secs and won the battle. Of course, everybody was violating the hard deck there in the desert, sometimes below the rocky peaks around them.
And the classified discussion needs to take place in a facility approved for that. Which if any of the locations in Maverick are, NCIS is going to have to spend weeks compiling a damage report given that everyone appears to take their phone everywhere. (One thing the original movie did correctly: nobody took their phone into a SCIF, if only because they couldn't at the time.)
the two of you played off of one another really quite well.. the look of shock and indignation on his face at the end was sublime when he noted that they should all be actually doing their jobs, not celebrating.
I like the theory, that the US was willfully trying to provoke a war against the opposing country, by sending hothead pilots to the area, which they hoped would cause an incident which would have good scapegoats in case the incident was ill timed, or a good excuse if they were ready for war. Seriously, after stepping out of bounds so many times... who recommended them for top gun, and why?
Top gun program was started because a high ranking pilot was flying a training mission when two young pilots flying crappy planes on another training mission decided to dog fight with him and beat the higher ranking officer in a maneuver. The beginning of Nam was a clusterfuck for American fighters until they figured it out
@@nordoceltic7225 yeah I know that's why the senior officer who got beat by immediately found out who the two pilots were who beat him cause they were in a much slower non fighter bird. The officer and the new pilot came up with top gun
I love how in the beginning of the movie the admiral warns Maverick, "if you screw up this much..." and then Maverick proceeds to screw up at the highest level possible. And nothing happens to him.
James Tolkan's Character is a Commander not Admiral. He's possibly the Squadron Commander or Commander of the Air Wing. But definitely not the Admiral, his Silver Oak Leaf (not a Star) is clearly shown on his Uniform.
In a great interview with a former F-14 and F-16N pilot (Keith Nancy), he stated that although some aspects of Top Gun (the flight school) was accurately portrayed, there was no Top Gun trophy, "Because if there was, you'd have had guys killing themselves trying to win it."
@@Redmanticore Goose would have never died. That canopy would have been nowhere near him. The Tomcat used a similar canopy ejection rocket to my F-15D model, and I saw one in a video being tested for a new canopy we were supposed to be getting. That canopy left the sitting aircraft so fast the camera operator couldn't follow it well until it was well away from the aircraft. Now add a flat spin on top of it, give me a break! "Top Gun" is the biggest joke movie based on the military of all time.
@@cepeck65 Dr. Schallhorn said during his interview for the movie, he explained how a flat spin could actually happen with an F-14 and that it complicates ejection. "The aerodynamics of the F-14 flat spin affect the timing of the ejection sequence," Dr. Schallhorn said. "The canopy is jettisoned, followed by the ejection of the back seat, followed by the front seat. In a flat spin, the canopy, when it ejects, bobbles for an extra few hundredths of a second above the aircraft. That upsets the carefully engineered sequence because the guy in the back could then hit the canopy. That sequence made it into the movie."
Yeah, giving someone else in your unit a motive to kill you instead of the enemy definitely sounds like it would be “prejudicial to good order and discipline”. Do not commit adultery, kids. Especially with the spouse of someone who regularly handles weapons.
My call sign was Gravedigger. The back story is I had surgery and was grounded for 6 months, and ended up on funeral detail for 3 months in a row, and continued getting last minute calls after I was no longer on it, usually to fill in for a fri/sat funeral several hours away the following morning. Kinda sucked but I got a bunch of day passes from the squadron commander because of it, which also turned in to a joke among the company after awhile.
@@benwillems8584 "Screams Like A Girl" ahahahaahahaha...... So you have to properly spell it "S.L.A.G." Oooh boy. I honestly think that after having seen the movie a few times, while Maverick and Iceman sound cool... they're absolutely derogatory. Iceman is for his demeanor to other pilots. He's cold and not very calculating, just mean. And Maverick... earned his because he's constantly doing stuff he knows he shouldn't do because it's dangerous and could get him kicked out of the service.
The real Iceman was both a doctor and a naval aviator. As I recall, he grew up in Australia where his father was stationed, and he is in the Australian Music Hall of Fame. Most flight surgeons have the call sign "Doc", but when Iceman was first deployed, there was already a "Doc" in the squadron. The call sign "Iceman" was apparently given because the other aviators thought his hands were rather cold when he was conducting physical exams.
stationed where in Australia? and when? currently there are only two U.S. bases in Australia, one is intelligence (Pine Gap) and the other is communications (Naval Communication Station Harold E. Holt)
I'd like to point out that when Jester dove into the Hard Deck he effectively by the rules of the dog fight NOSEDIVED INTO THE GROUND. That ladies and gentlemen is called a Terrain Kill. Maverick would have every right in that moment to make fun of Jester, a Top Gun instructor mind you, for intentionally smashing himself into the Earth just to get out of a radar lock over the radio to the effect of "How does the Earth feel Jester or should I say Crater now?' (Edited because spellig mistake :D) PS: If you wanted to really help Mavrick out of this scene he could have said 'Jester broke the rules first sir. I don't see him getting repremanded.' or you could have had Jester intentionally diving to hard deck two other times to reset the fight, Mavrick finially having enough and locking him up to prove the point adding to his defence.
Ok Firstly , Given how long the movie has been around for and the popularity of Maverick i need to point out that MAVERICK is spelt with a K Mate, you can't just put his name down as MAVERIC and not expect anyone who grew up with the movie to say anything , ok LOL............ I mean seriously if i wrote down GOOZE or EYESMAN you'd say something as well Please make the appropriate corrections and give Maverick his due respect
@@chaeairsoft Yes it is mate, This is an iconic character and honestly No one has any excuse , after this much time to spell the name incorrectly also.. How could you spell it incorrectly , Seriously i mean if you like Top gun the first thing you think of is Maverick it's like Mad Max, the first thing you think of is Max Sorry mate, this time you're wrong, Spelling Maverick's Name correctly is mandatory
Something I love about Legal Eagle is that he's never afraid to learn something. He always asks questions instead of just assuming something. I wish more lawyers and people in general would feel this way.
Except they screwed up explaining the HARD DECK scene, when they got called into the CO's office the definition of HARD DECK was explained. Something they some how missed.
I liked it too. The script is written with a Capital "S". They were entertaining, but I cringed when LeagalEagle said, "So they were flying into a zone of danger."
HAHAHA Re: call signs - my brother ended up with a super embarrassing call sign bc he drank way too much at a house party once and threw up all over the couch and the couch had to be THROWN OUT. He has wholly embraced it and absolutely loves his call sign, but you’re 100% right about call signs being a result of something stupid or embarrassing.
7:40 "No one has a cool call sign like that." Judging from the _actual_ call signs of the stunt pilots that appear in the closing credits, I have to agree.
Yeah like Lt. Peter "Horse" Caulk. Say that one out loud and tell me you aren't dying of laughter. Guarantee his squadron mates were when they gave him that one. Bozo and Loner are some other highlights.
The other thread mentioned lots of punnery on names: a female pilot Katrina "Hurricane", a "Headless" Horstmann, and a "Vodka" Smirnoff. Definitely NOT Hollywood-style callsigns, but not related to any cringeworthy incidents. For all we know, "Iceman" could have locked himself in the freezer room. ;)
The PhD in Astrophysics isn’t unrealistic. She could, for example, have started her career in some space related topic and acquired her first aeronautic skills as a spin off. I have a PhD in materials physics and ended up in automotive software development ten years after my graduation.
Engineering in general is broadly transferable. Mechanical, Civil, Industrial engineers; Electrical, Nuclear, Aeronautical/Aerospace engineers often take jobs in areas of engineering other than the specialty they got their degrees in. When you graduate with an engineering degree and get your first job, you don't really know what to do. I was in a panic, felt like I was totally unprepared until the experienced electrical engineer I was assigned as team leader gave his on boarding talk. That was when I learned those years in school were only meant to teach the basic toolbox of engineering, the rest would be learned on the job as specific details filled in the blanks .
As a kid growing up, I lived in a town where a lot of teenagers drove scooters, also often without helmet. At one point, me and a group of friends was speaking with an older kid (we were probably early teens or slightly younger, so we were not old enough for scooters yet), and he put on his helmet to drive away. Someone asked him, why he was wearing a helmet, and he just calmly answered: "You only need to witness someone crash without a helmet once, and you will never want to drive without a helmet again!" - That has stuck with me! Now, a scooter does not reach the same speeds that motorcycles do by no means, but it can still cause nasty damage if you aren't wearing a helmet.
People die from falling over their Bicycle at 6mph, so he‘s completely right on that. We had a guy crash his bicycle down a rail-head at our base. He died from the injury sustained on his head. He probably would have not been injured badly at all if he wore a helmet.
@@heinzketchup4558 I knew of someone who came to a stop and had trouble getting the strap loose to free his foot from the peddle (1980s version of toe clips). Fell over and cracked his skull.
At approx 13:00 your guest refers to menial office work. I was familiar with a former pilot who was kept on an air base and placed in charge of 'Foreign Object Damage' (FOD) patrol - essentially a work party whose job is to police up any and all debris on the runways and taxiways so that it doesn't get sucked into engines where it could cause catastrophic damage.
I work as an Informations Tech in the navy. That scene where they talk about the clearance always annoyed me. Even if, her and every other Officer there had a TS clearance and there were no devices around that could hear/record what they were saying, they still wouldn't have the need to know. Two people with a TS could both be working together, and still not be able to tell each other a lot of things because the other person does not have the need to know that information.
@@WilliamSmith-vo8zu yeah, it's almost as cringe-inducing as "my hands are registered as deadly weapons" when nowhere does that. At most, it could be used against you in court to imply murderous intent, but even that is iffy.
@@WilliamSmith-vo8zu That is what we refer to in the navy as a "Joke", you'll hear them from time to time. I assume you are a civilian. Otherwise I assume you are a Marine or a Blackshoe as the latter two do not get issued a sense of humor prior to going on deployment.
Yeah I had TS/SCI and the briefings and NDA's you have to sign to gain access to a single program are silly, also it isn't a blanket for everything, plus you would only discuss it in a SCIF with other people verified to have access to those programs, we had badges with letter codes showing what programs we had access to
Adultery is the security risk. Anytime somebody can have pictures of someone, which they threatened to disseminate or publish, that person now has an incentive to do something to prevent the publishing of those pictures. Prosecuting adultery, is basically an immune system against spying.
That would really only apply to TS/SCI, where even a missed credit card payment could end you. The rule is pretty strictly because of old school morals and general discipline.
YES, and I was thinking of Relationship with a spy. The other side plays dirty like that. Just to drain Pilots mind, say as simple as pillow talk. Loss lips sink ships as old saying goes.
You mentioned the safety of wearing a helmet... that's no joke. In fact, It's amazing what can be accomplished with proper protective gear. A buddy of mine, who is a HUGE motorcycle enthusiast, spent a lot of money on top of the line protective gear. Once, while riding his motorcycle, he got T-Boned by a car that ran a stop sign. He was hit hard enough, that he flew 15 feet from the impact point. He broke his leg, where the car hit him (his riding boots absorbed a tremendous amount of the impact) and he broke his arm, where he landed on the pavement. That was it.
A friend of mine was in a motorcycle accident in which someone turned left in front of him. He skidded down the street on his face, but the biggest injury was chipping 2 of his teeth on his helmet. If he hadn't been wearing a helmet, he would have left a long bloody marker streak along the ground.
Wearing a helmet is important. However Legal Eagle was wrong about it being the state law. As others have pointed out the California helmet law didn't exist when the movie released. Even if it did it wouldn't have applied on the navy base (federal property). I'm sure the navy would have required a helmet, but that's a different matter.
The theory I've heard is that there are actual embarassing stories behind all the "cool" callsigns in Top Gun Goose - snores so loud it sounds like he's honking Iceman - locked himself in a freezer
You definitely need Spencer back on. I'm sure there's plenty of military themed movies for y'all to rip apart together. He adds such great, dry humor to the videos he's in.
"Nobody has a cool call sign like that" There is military-wide nickname convention of someone's nickname or call sign being their shittiest trait or literally the name of what they do if they are integrated with another unit. Maverick would have been called "Napoleon" for sure. 100%. No doubt in my mind.
Maverick's call-sign actually suits him. It's his shittiest trait: he's a maverick; basically a rattlesnake's tail about how he's a loose cannon and not a good team player. Even Charlotte and Iceman comment on it. The only three who have "cool" callsigns are Iceman (pun very much intended), Sundown and Viper.
"I object your honor!!!" As a former Navy service member I can assure you Naval Aviators are "so cringe" when it comes to the ladies. In Australia I was chatting up this young lady and all was going well. A pilot from my squadron came up and all he said was "I fly the war birds he fixes. You know, like those guys in Top Gun." She didn't speak to me the rest of the night. I also object on the grounds that Naval Aviators don't get cool call signs. While on board the USS Carl Vinson there was an F-18 pilot whose last name was Mawheeney. And his callsign was "Lick". Coolest calllsign ever!!!!
I probably would have said something like "True Buddy.... My job is to repair highly complex supersonic aircraft, and make sure you can focus on enemies and not have to worry about your life all the time because your work equipment might not work properly." And if he's an *ss and does this regularly, probably something like "How are things with the wife and kids? I heard the marriage is on the verge of breaking up after the gonorrhoea thing?"
I used to tell my troops in Kandahar, it's all about perspective, they're the bad guys only because they're on the wrong team. In their eyes you're the invader and you're the bad guy.
I live in Arizona where helmets are not required, and I continually got mocked by one particular fellow rider because I always wear a helmet, without exception, and the law on my bike is that my passengers will too. Guess who died in a motorcycle crash while not wearing a helmet. Oh the sweet, morbid irony.
"If he were at war...he could get the death penalty." That scary moment when you realize Vader executing his officers for incompetence during a war is an actual real deal in military to an extend. (Well...minus the "no trial" instant execution thing, but still.)
All those silly frilly trials for proper justice just isn't affordable for a dude running a planet destroyer, he don't have the USA's military budget after all.😂
Good news! Summary court marshal and execution is a thing in the UCMJ! I don't think it applies to death penalties but pretty much you can be tried and convicted on the spot, or as close to on the spot as you can get in the United States.
@@Mostlyharmless1985 it probably does, treason and cowardice are both punishable by summery execution during a time of war iirc, although the cowardice one might’ve been written out of the law
Honestly, one of the coolest things about the Stargate franchise is, the military stuff not only feels real, but also _realistically serves the plot._ Heck, several episodes actually revolved around the _consequences for military misconduct_ (like O'Neill's temporary dismissal from the service for "stealing" shit from an offworld ally)...
I loved that TV show Atlantis and even discovery ( edit sorry I meant Stargate universe ) which was canceled too soon it had a lot of potential. stealing stuff on an individual level is frowned upon, when it's sanctioned by the state, it's fine.
They had not one but two Chiefs of Staff of the Air Force displaying themselves in the series. And on a somewhat humours note. They did film scenes in the actual Cheyenne Mountain Complex. Which is now operated by the Air Force Space Command. And in Stargate they show a in-universe TV show (Wormhole X-treme) that displays a slightly silly version of the "real" thing. Allowing it to continue as plausible deniability in case of a security breach. With all that together the chance is greater than zero that there is some actual thing in some sort of ironic multilevel meta setup.
It's refreshing just seeing more laid back and funny approach to explaining law's. I'm just a music man so all this is cool to learn. Thanks Devin! Thanks Spencer!
Regarding buzzing the tower: as we know, permission to buzz the tower was denied by ATC, because "the pattern is full", i.e. there are planes flying around the area. So Maverick blatently disregarded an ATC instruction, risking a mid-air collision.
Also, Maverick not being married, didn't know the first rule of doing something you shouldn't. That rule of course is "it is easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission." Goose was married. So he knew this rule and knew it was a bad idea.
Being in the military my mom asked me if I liked the movie. I was like no if anything the military experience ruined the movie for me because how unlikely almost every aspect of the movie would have been
Oh yeah, my mom doesn't like to watch military related movies with me anymore because I nitpick. I'm somewhat able to suspend disbelief for Top Gun 2, but yeah. The flight deck and hangar bay scenes annoy the crap out of me
I was a kid when I watched this and it left me believing for YEARS that the military was out there daily fighting off random attacks to keep our country safe.
According to my friend, who has a phd in astrophysics and works for the government, astrophysics does cover the upper atmosphere as well. So she could be a consultant if they're planning on taking planes really high up.
Thing is, the PhD in Astrophysics doesn't have to have anything to do with the job she's doing for the Pentagon, and just be mentioned as a means of saying "She's smart, you bunch of lunkheads aren't, so listen to the smart person, you'll live longer...".
This movie portrays the military as like some kind of wacky college fraternity where you can pull pranks on people and the dean will just give you a smack on the wrist, lol.
Don't forget the fact that he doesn't use proper radio callouts, which could get him in trouble Also, interesting thing regarding the F-5/Mig-28 shown in the film. They use mostly Northrop F-5Es (re-designated as F-5Ns when being used as aggressors) and an F-5F, with modified LEXs and automatic flap system. They also appear to be equipped with AIM-9L Sidewinders, meaning the US likely equipped this Rogue Nation with weapons only a few years prior. Also, the latter part of the movie with the final dogfight has some interesting implications, Namely that France was also exporting weapons to this Rogue Nation. The reason being they mention this country having Exocet Anti-Ship Missiles. Edit: One thing that wasn't mentioned here were the scenes at Top Gun, with the aggressors. The planes used were Douglas A-4F Skyhawks, which have been stripped down and modified with more powerful engines. These Skyhawks were dubbed "Mongoose", and served as stand-ins for Mig-17 Frescos as Adversaries. By this time, I believe the US Navy and Marines Corps were still using the F-21A Lion (IAI Kfir C.1) as stand-ins for Mig-23 Floggers. Northrop F-5E/F Tiger IIs were used as stand-ins for Mig-21 Fishbeds. HOWEVER, the US did actually own a few Mig-17s, Mig-21s, and Mig-23s. However, very few pilots got to actually face them in combat, and I believe it was only AF pilots who faced them, rather than Naval Aviators. Final edit: One big thing that really bugs me about the movie is how air-to-air combat is portrayed. IRL, the Tomcat would be doing virtually everything with BVR missiles. However, that likely wouldn't make for a fun movie.
That's.... one HELL of a good question dangling out there that's worth digging at. Thank you for pointing this out as I always just kinda let the technobabble was has 'eh it's a movie' but frankly? That's.... something worth exploring. What kind of nation would get that kind of hardware support from NATO that would then turn around and bite Nato in the ass?
To be fair, as we learned in Iraq, unfortunately the US selling weapon's to a less than scrupulous client is not such a hypothetical scenario. Iraqgate if you are interested. 😬
@@singletona082 I mean, Argentina kinda did that (Argentina was supplied Exocets, Etendards/Super Etendards, and I believe a few Mirage Vs by France. The US supplied A-4 Skyhawks, and Israel supplied old IAI Neshers (renamed as Daggers))
Yeah the f-14 is most certainly not a dogfighter. It gains maneuverability and speed in odd ways through configuration changes (raking the wings back for speed, and pulling them forward for maneuverability) as such it can't fit and spurt the way the f-5 for instance can. You have access to all the capabilities of the air craft at a moments notice in a dogfighter.
@@mizinoinovermyhead.7523 Later F-14s were better. It should be noted that the F-14s shown in the movie were early F-14As, with the TF-30 engine, which was known for compressor stalls. They were later replaced with the GE F110 on the F-14A+, F-14B, and F-14D
At the end of the day, marriage is an agreement, and adultery is the breaking of that agreement. If someone can’t be trusted to keep his promise to his wife, can you trust him with your back on the battlefield?
Retired AF JTAC here - I worked with a lot of pilots, and I always enjoyed learning about how they "earned" their callsigns. My last supervisor had been an F-15 weapons systems officer and her call sign was "Pinball". I learned later that it stuck because of her propensity to bounce from subject to subject in training. Another was "Jethro" because, you know, he actually did closely resemble Jethro Bodine of "Beverly Hillbillies" fame. One other was "Hammer" because his last name was O'Nale (get it?). Finally, there was "Bulb" because he was very, very bald and his head resembled, well, you get the idea. Good times.
I met a pilot doing his EWO stint in 07. He got FIDO, and explained he had an electronics failure and was so focused on getting the bird back he forgot his visor was down as it turned night. As he was making his approach he said f it’s dark out and after he trapped his RIO noticed the visor was down. He became F.I.D.O
I had Top Secret Clearance when I worked my last duty station in Washington DC area and I could not reveal anything that I had or knew except to the persons that I was told to give it to and I had to know that they had the proper clearances and also the need to know the information that was requested.
Fun fact, when the JAG said that callsigns are usually assigned by embarrassing or stupid things you’ve done, it reminded of a story that Tom Cruise told. The pilot that wore the maverick helmet and that TC flew with, his callsign was “ Bozo” 😂
When I was in Naval Flight School, I wanted my call sign to be Ice Man, because I was cool as ice (so I thought). But when I got to my first command, my call sign was just "soup," only because the first 3 letters of my last name start with "sup." I contested for a while, but I learned to live with it eventually. Well, at least it was not "stinky" (my buddy passed out drunk & $hit himself). LOL!!!
Can we get more of this guy? Maybe more military movies analyzed? Also funny anecdote, I served as a weapons technician in the air force and well funnily enough got myself a callsign due to a quite an embarrassing accident I had, I got hit to the groin by a rocket that another technician was loading into a pod, people after that called me Nutshot, which in hindsight is kinda cool but still embarrasing
@@nekonyx Never been military, but based on my experience with nicknames, likely everyone who knows the story is thinking about how to make it a permanent joke, and one guy has an idea that sticks. Then people who don't know the story hear the name, ask how you got it, and soon they've joined in.
When I was working as a delivery driver, I took a day off to go see an early showing of LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring. My boss gave me the nickname Frodo. 20 years later and I still correct people that call me a man, I'm a hobbit, dammit!
surprised there was absolutely no discussion of Goose's death and the very brief scene of Mav getting cleared of it. I know it technically wasn't a broken law as he was cleared, but still expected some discussion of why he was cleared, what would have happened if he wasn't, etc.
I was a submariner, and the fact that the deck crew ran out to celebrate the return of Maverick, drives me friggin' nuts. But hey, if you want to get your ship sunk, by all means, carry on.
The actual pilot responsible for most of the aerial filming in the original Top Gun was "Bozo." Yeah, even when a pilot has a cool-sounding nickname, it's usually an inside joke that isn't flattering at all. I knew a cargo plane pilot with the callsign "Killer." He was the XO of a unit with a commander who referred to *everyone* as "Killer," so the unit made that the XO's callsign "Killer" to mess with both the CO and XO.
UCMJ is the same for every armed force. Some have articles specific to their branch, almost everything illegal in the Navy is also illegal in the Air Force. Now of people are held responsible for their actions does vary between branches. Air Force officers are.... I won't say it.
I was once told a very detailed story of a pilot that not only buzzed a tower but broke the sound barrier while doing it, of which shattered all the windows. By some miracle, he was saved by a shoe string in court, with evidence presented that some parts of a plane might be supersonic, even though the actual plane is not. Like leading edges of certain parts. I don’t remember his punishment though. He didn’t lose his wings, but they made an example out of him. I was told this story on a field trip to Edwards Air Force base, 20 years ago.
Love the comment about clearances. During a deployment to Iraq in 05 I was responsible for the validation of all clearances for the Secret computer network (I was an IT Admin who caught someone in a lie). My lasting legacy to the Army was to create a paper process for validation - I couldn't have been more proud.
@@Snoop_Dugg No - a physical paper trail regarding security clearances would be secured in a vault somewhere, witha documented chain of custody and physical access controls. A computer record can be created by anyone with access, authorised or not, and much harder to prove or disprove authenticity.
You know, while there probably haven't been anyone with Maverick as a call sign, there have been people with really cool call signs like Chaos, Steel Rain, and Dead Walker existing in the past.
Another thing about adultery: It would very much affect your security clearance. A foreign government with knowledge about your affair could use that as leverage against you.
Only if the affair is not public. I have heard you can fess up to tons of stuff during your clearance process with no problem, it's the stuff that they find that you didn't mention that gets you.
@@blackswanmtg It's more nuanced than this. The deciding factor is if that knowledge means an adversary has power over you. So like, if you don't want your wife to find out, it doesn't matter if you are honest about the affair on your clearance form. On the other hand, if you list as one of your references your lover, who has a husband, And you say "Yes, I know she's married. Yes, he knows about our relationship too." Once the investigator verifies everything, there's no problem.
Truth. When a service mbr is evaluated for security clearance his/her records are screened. Personnel screens their service record, and their medical records are also screened. One of the things we were told to look for was repeated treatment for sexually transmitted diseases- which indicates poor judgment, & data that could be used against them as leverage.
As a person in the military you're wrong your security clearance will be fine. As long as it's not an affair with an employee of a foreign government and you haven't broken any laws it won't affect clearance at all but it will affect your career especially if you have some kind of public facing position
There is an old, Greek, I think, myth about a soldier who was married to a beautiful woman. His superior officer wanted that woman, so he posted the soldier where he was sure to be killed. After that the superior married cette woman. Even just coveting someones wife or girlfriend/boyfriend, and not even committing outright adultery, in the military can be very dangerous.
My best friend older brother call name was "Badger"....cause he poked one with a stick(it didn't end well for him). His friend he served with, call name was "Bunker" cause he broke his arm falling out of a bunk bed.
My friend had a nickname, I don't know if it's a call sign or not, but his nickname is Newt he found out how toxic a juvenile northern red eft is if ingested.
As a twenty-year naval veteran, and author of military fiction, I found this amusing. I will point out two things. 1) Your JAG friend was accurate to point out how light some of the penalties are for officers. If an enlisted member did the exact same crime, the penalties would be much higher. 2) The Congressional Medal of Honor is earned, almost always, by people who disobeyed orders. Great video. Thank you
@@Raddaya He said, I paraphrase, that if an officer did a number of offenses, they would lose wings, or be removed. Light penalties for crimes. Enlisted servicemembers would have the book thrown at them for the exact same offense. That was my point.
This may be true, and I've read about a few where it certainly is true, however there is usually a great benefit to their disobeying the order. As an example, one that I can recall from WWII the recipient's unit was ordered to withdraw while they were underfire. He said he could see the enemy's gun emplacement from where he was and advanced rather than withdrawing and then disabled the emplacement once getting in range to lob a few grenades. His actions unfortunately cost him his life but also allowed the rest of his unit to withdraw without further casualties. That is a far cry from buzzing the tower.
In my experience, the ONE thing that the military hates about all else is bad publicity. If you do something to "discredit the Service" or "bring the Service in to disrepute", that's it, you're screwed. That's worse than pretty much every other crime.
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Wait what- this video was up,padded around 50secs ago and you commented 2 hours ago?- I love your vids btw
Please review "The People vs Larry Flynt" (Woody Harrelson) or "The Judge" (Robert Downey Jr, Robert Duvaul).
Both are older, but very underrated legal movies. I'm dying to hear your legal analysis of them
@LegalEagle If you look at the two planes you can see that the f-14 as two vertical stabilizers while the f-5 has only one. This would allow the one plane to sort of straddle the other, in that inverted position. So physically there is space for the maneuver. However can the pilots (yes both the f-5 pilot and the f-14 pilot have to cooperate to do this kind of thing) pull off the maneuver without crashing themselves? Thats a completely different question.
@@mizinoinovermyhead.7523 The cockpits are inches away from each other. The single vertical stabilizer on the F-5 is going RIGHT through the f-14. Overruled!
@@LegalEagle Ah, but that was not your point, as stated "wouldn't the tail fins just slap each other?" Which was the point of my objection. You however could rephrase and state "the maneuver as shown is impossible" which would be true. lol Still, I don't think anyone wants to try this, nor do I really think a realistic version of it would be worth the risk.
When I was on a Tiger cruise on the Nimitz one of the pilots call signs was “Wiki”. When I asked how he got that I was told, and I quote, “ he’s like the website, he knows everything but he isn’t always right”
relatable
Confident yet humble.
Yeah, callsigns are secret jokes between pilots busting on each other. And the callsign they get is never going to be "a cool callsign". There's whole videos talking about how new pilots are given their callsigns. It's hilarious. My suggestion is to ply the "naming committee" (the squadron) with a lot of alcohol paid from your wallet and NEVER, EVER, ask for a callsign.
Battlestar Galactica got this right when one of the new pilots wanting a cool call sign got dubbed "hotdog" for his troubles.
that's such a sick callsign tho
Fun Fact:
In the end credits of the movie, the military pilot consultants for the film are listed by their names, ranks and callsigns.
It threw me off as a teenager, because the pilots in the movie all have cool callsigns like "Maverick" and "Iceman" and the real pilots are like, "Bozo" and "Dipshit."
"Horse" Caulk also flew in this movie.
@@dongquixote7138 that is a legendarily good callsign
@@dongquixote7138 ha
@@deanjustdean7818 Nope because you’re not supposed to swear or cuss over comms. Yes if under distress (like getting actively shot at) no one within reason will call you out.
I was at an air show and one of the guys was Lt. Prime, and his callsign was "Optimus".
Objection: Top Gun was released in 1986. The California law that prohibits riding a motorcycle without a helmet didn't come into effect until 1992.
I was going to say the same thing.
The military also had a strict policy against homosexual relations back then.
@@magister343 Don't ask Don't tell?
Or was that jsut durning the clinton administration with an even stricter bias against?
@@magister343 Yes, if I remember correctly, that was only a couple years after the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy came into effect.
@@FornaxusCrucible This movie is actually a few years before the Don’t ask, Don’t tell policy, which was introduced under Clinton in 1993. As crazy as it sounds, it was actually a compromise on the issue at the time.
The amount of sarcasm demonstrated by this Marine is so perfect. Every other sentence, and said with the straightest face every time.
"It is strongly suggested" killed me.
This might be one of my favourite Lawyer Reacts videos ever. The pacing, the jokes, all on point.
Some of the best callsigns I've heard of:
"Blaze" - Caught on fire in the base kitchen
"Headless" - Pilot's last name was Horstman
"Hurricane" - Pilot's first name was Katrina
"Legend" - Failed an exam that no one had ever failed in history
"Vodka" - Pilot’s name was Smirnoff
Gotta appreciate those name puns
Excellent thanks Wing Commander Crash
Hurricane and Headless are both cool AF though
“Popeye” - Last name Doyle, from Gene Hackman in the French Connection
“Lips” - Last name was Houlihan, from MASH.
Licious because her last name was booty and she coincidentally had a big booty.
As a retired Sailor, the thing that bugged me about the celebration of the crew on the flight deck is, first, like you say, they have abandoned their posts and becoming FOD on the flight line, but second... the enlisted people up there in the colored jerseys would have ZERO clue what happened in the air.
Aircraft go up, aircraft come down, none of the information about what a squadron does gets back to the ship's crew.
I imagine the officers in the tower rolled down their windows and yelled out to the deck "our guys blew up their guys!"
Exactly. They would have heard all the scuttlebutt later, but not at that time. And those pilots and RIOs need to get those helmets back on - flight ops ain't over!
Even at civilian airports; ground services know nothing. I work for an airline and had a customer come and rage at me. I'm like... I just unload your plane and put your bags on a belt. I don't fly the plane I have NO IDEA why your plane is here I just heard they need a mechanic. Plane get people and bags plane go bye bye; plane come down unload bags and people... plane go up again.
Makes you think, being a skittle probably makes you wonder what the planes youre sending out are up to. I guess in most cases you'd never know, especially if they're doing actually interesting combat patrols. Then again I'm guessing the vast, vast majority of flights are so uninteresting that they wouldnt care anyways. As long as the plane comes back who cares.
Nothing comes in the BEFORE the briefing. The upper brass need to know details first. There are many actions in that movie that makes the USA look bad. Mildly said; They have no discipline.
Seeing a suited up lawyer (deputy DA at that) (and a vet) say "This is cringe" really tickles my funny bone for some reason.
Well he was a Marine 😂
They're both advertising their businesses here, so that's PR.
goes to show ya, they’re just people too😌
"im maverick"
LE and JAG: ***dies of cringe***
Same
Between the Two Top Gun movies, Maverick was actually charged, but thanks to a stellar defense from his JAG lawyer, Lt. Kaffee (of "A Few Good Men" fame) , he was cleared of all charges.
That sounds like a lie. I want the truth.
@@Eggy79 You can't handle the....oh nevermind.
@@Eggy79YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH
Don't you know his bio? He was a lawyer, a navy pilot and a navy lawyer and did run for presidency 😂😂😂😂
Speaking of callsigns, Tom Cruise related a story where during the training for Top Gun, he went with a navy pilot who's CS was "Bozo". During the flight, with a series of hard turns, Tom was starting to feel sick. He leaned forward to reach down to get his barf bag, and at that moment Bozo pulled into a hard-g climb, pushing Tom's face almost to the floor of the plane. He kept trying to call out to the pilot to ease off, but couldn't get any air to speak. Once they DID level off, Tom snapped at him and asked why he did that.
"They don't call me Bozo for nothing" was all he said.
There are some cool callsigns, until you get behind the meaning
Slag sounds pretty cool. Until you know it means Screams Like A Girl.
Maverick could be a cautionary nickname but he's too much ego to learn
Iceman could have been (accidentaly) locked in the food freezer at some point
Nicknames are allways teribble in the military, we had one guy named Dipstick because he fell into an uncovered cesspool in one of our first nighttime exercises we had, he was caught in the hole by the armpits, thus he became Dipstick.
Personally i earned the nickname dragon due to loud snorring, drooling and yawning after a trip to the bar.
@@erikrungemadsen2081 Mission failed successfully?
Any reasons aside, that's a badass call name.
@@erikrungemadsen2081 Its known as a leveling mechanism in anthropology.
"It acts to ensure social equality, usually by shaming or humbling members of a group that attempt to put themselves above other members."
@@erikrungemadsen2081 my spouse is an aerospace engineer and went to school with a bunch of fly boys. They gave him an honorary call sign after learning that his first time "flying" was when he went flying, head first, over the handles on his snow mobile into a snow bank because he confused the stop and the go. Thus, he became Snowpilot. He's rather proud and fond of it. It sounds cool, until you know why he got the moniker.
Bring this guy back!
I could go for “Laws Broken: Battleship”. The movies are about equally realistic.
@@pokepress Pretty much I was no JAG but I can tell you that Lt. in the movie battleship never would have left port on any ship after that fight he had with if I remember correctly a Japanese Naval Captain who is in fact a senior officer to his USN rank.
Would love to see his take on A Few Good Men as there was a lot wrong with that movie.
I'd love it if he could return for the cinematic masterpiece that is Iron Eagles.
@cak01vej Legal Eagle did it along with a group of other movies, not a stand alone. It'd be interesting to hear a JAG's take on the movie and what it got wrong (for example, there's no UCMJ article for "conduct unbecoming a US Marine" that they ended up being found guilty of violating).
My former CO's call sign was Nightmare (Harrier pilot).
Cool call sign? Sure. My confidence that the story behind it is actually horribly embarrassing to him on a very personal level? 100%.
WHAT IS THE STORY?
Inquiring minds want to know
I guess it's better than "Bedwetter" though?
I'll take "Screaming in your sleep" for 500$, Alex
A question then about callsigns - could someone assigned a horribly embarrassing callsign either request a new callsign, or simply introduce themselves by a different callsign?
I did my Navy flight school as an NFO in 1988-1989. Some of the instructors there had been advisors or had worked on the original Top Gun. Their consensus was that Maverick would have lost his wings after the first flyby through a full pattern and the movie would have ended right there.
Omg. Air Force pilot's daughter here, and watching this brought me back to when I first watched this movie with my dad. He would not shut up about all the shit Maverick did lol. Thanks for taking me back y'all
I lived on an Air Force base for 14 years as a kid. The movie was everything for years. I’m also on memory lane here. It’s a lot of fun.
I know how your dad felt. I'm retired Army watching basically any movie or series that features or is about the military is painful. From the way uniforms are worn, to insignia, to ranks, to how different ranks talk to and interact with each other. To all the stuff with weapons and vehicles.
For example Hurt Locker frustrates me so much.
There is a reason I refuse to watch military based movies anymore. I spend most of the time screaming "they don't do that" or "that's not how that's done!!" at the screen.
It's kind of come full circle in a way, as I'm an equestrian and my son says he hates watching movies with me that have horses in them, because I can't shut up about all the shit they're doing wrong lol
@@whoiamiamnot2104 True indeed! I’m a former submariner, and it makes my stomach hurt every time I watch Crimson Tide.
There's something about a real DA organically using the word "cringe"
I can't properly put it into words, but there's something about it
I'll make him say "vibes" next time.
@@democrrrracymanifest First degree cringe?
@@democrrrracymanifest Which, in the military, is probably an executable offense.
For when it's not a crime, but if he had his way it would be.
@@lnsflare1 Only in wartimes. Otherwise it's just 4-5 years in the brigg and a dishonorable discharge.
A pilot friend (well, father of a friend) earned the callsign "bulldozer." It sounds pretty benign until you learn it was a constant reminder that he once left the taxiway and plowed a significant trench in the grass.
I'm loving some of these call sign stories
So many people think callsigns are always cool. They're usually attributed to something stupid/impetuous/accidental that the pilot/operator was involved in. However . . . my close friend in the RCAF told a great story about a petite female pilot he came up with who, as a second lieutenant and unbeknownst to her, basically swore out visiting Japanese officers (who were quite a few ranks above her). They apologized to her for the comments they made. Her given callsign was JAK: Japanese Ass-Kicker. One of the few cool/badass callsigns. Most, though, are of the Bulldozer variety. 😂
Callsigns are almost never because of something cool. They're usually given to you because of a screw up or something embarrassing.
@@CH-em2wu Yep, this is how my father, a retired RAF captain, ended up with the callsign Auto. Not as in "automobile" but "au-to," the Cantonese word for 'puke,' after what he did to the back of a brand new training jet while he was in SE Asia.
Well, I suppose it's better than 'Ditchdigger'...
My dad served aboard Enterprise during filming and was ordered to be part of that end scene crowd. He was completely pissed off about it as he had to leave the aircraft he was actively working on up on the flight deck.
Still the most shown video on board Ike as of 2009. They show it at least once a day underway.
Poor dad.
Here in the UK in 1968, a RAF Hunter pilot broke of from his flight and flew over london buzzing the houses of parliament 3 times and flying between tower bridge to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the RAF. He was kicked out of the RAF on medical grounds and held for two days but was sent a keg of beer and later exonerated.
My Grandfather was in the RN based in Malta in the late-50s (Radio and Radar) and ran a profitable sideline fixing up old cars for resale using Navy time and resources. They also said they kept a keg of beer to quench thirst.
It was a very different time. 🤷🏻♂️
Didn't the Royal Navy have the option of a daily ration of rum well into the seventies?
The pilot was exonerated on the grounds that while what he did was not strictly legal it was strictly awesome
Flt Lt. Alan Pollock
@@masterofdesaster8 The Rum Ration ended in 1970, but in true military fashion it was replaced by a daily Beer Allowance which still stands to this day.
"I've got the need."
"The need for speed?"
"Speed is a controlled substance, Devin, you are committing a felony by offering."
Objection! No offer was actually made.
@@SynthApprentice A matter of interpretation. I'll allow it.
@@itskarl7575 I don’t believe so. There was no reasonable context to believe Devin was in possession of speed - Devin could’ve asked if he had the need for a dragon, or a brick of gold, but that wouldn’t constitute an offer or any evidence of possession.
@@williamlietz7535 You're out of order!
@@itskarl7575 objection, standing. This is a maritime court but these objections relate to terrestrial or aerial crimes.
When I learned that military call signs were meant to be something related to a humiliating experience, I started to justify those call signs:
- Ice Man probably froze at some point in the past in a minor training exercise where he was supposed to lead the exercise
-Goose, certainly his long neck
-Maverick is meant to be a misnomer because he was too much of a loose cannon
I think Goose would be a good callsign for a pilot that goosed a woman and ot slapped for it.
@@tomwhone9804 how does one "goose"?
Maverick because of the unorthodox way he declares his love of another by jumping on couches.
@@ethanhare8026 That could work!
@@Corn0nTheCobb It's kind of a reverse "Melvin"
One of the LTC I had in college had the callsign "Doc" which he earned when his wife went into labor at dinner, and he delivered his child himself. Only Pilot I know with a dope callsign
There’s one other: Ewan McGregor’s brother was a pilot in the RAF, and his callsign was “Obi-Two.”
Mine was "Real" because my last name is McCoy, same reason LCpl Sanchez got the call sign "Dirty" the cool part is now my Son is at my old unit, (i went through MOS school with his current SgtMaj... Son looks a lot like me... His call sign is "Fake"
Top Gun was basically a recruiting ad for the US military. I wonder how many people joined up only to realize they couldn't do all this cool stuff.
Obviously. But so is poverty. And that's more than just an ad, clearly.
Michael Bay's transformer movies are basically military films imo
They can become fighter pilots just like them, but it’s very hard and competitive.
You know what's even less fun then being a part of Naval Aviation?
not being a part of Naval Aviation.....Plenty of cool stuff to be had
Was more fun then I expected,
more like Animal house + Hot Shots
Well if it was me i'd at least wanna work with aircrafts by being one of the ground crews or something
Work on the birds and watch them soar into the sky
And if I retire I might keep working as some sort of a mechanic at least
I served with a pilot who was call sign SHAK. It was a perfect call sign.
1. It described the gentleman. He had a large frame.
2. It tells the story in of itself.
3. It's an acronym. The military loves acronyms.
Shit Himself Above Kandahar it was an honor to serve with you.
In the new one another guy also has an acronym. BOB.
@@petermcgill1315 Bouncing On Boobs
@@petermcgill1315 Bob callsign really cracked me up...lol
@@petermcgill1315 Baby on board lol
Mine was "Peeps." I walked in on my major while she was using her breast pump.
I was assigned to a ship in San Diego in 1986, the year Top Gun was made. On military bases it was illegal to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. BUT offbase in plain old California, at the time you COULD ride without a helmet. It wasn't unusual for sailors and civilians who worked on base to wear a helmet on their way out the gate, then remove it as they sped away!
They were idiots.
In 88 or 89 when I was in Great Mistakes I saw someone go to mast for not wearing a helmet when riding off-base. Illinois did not have a helmet law at the time.
To this day, the standards are higher for military bases and motorcycles. You need not just the regular license, but also additional training.
In the Air Force, not only is a helmet required, but so is a reflective garment. The services are pretty rigid about motorcycle usage, and if you're not wearing protective gear (mainly a helmet) should you get in an accident, your survivors could have your life insurance claim denied.
...and it's unclear if Maverick is on base or on a highway alongside the runway. If he is on base I'd be more concerned he is potentially riding on a parallel runway and an inbound plane is going to take him out than that he isn't wearing a helmet...
Talking about Callsigns: In the RAF (British Air Force), Ewan McGregor's brother is/was a pilot.
His Callsign is/was "Obi-Two"
😂😂😂
😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Dude who asked for his call sign to be "Maverick" got issued "Hot Shit" in a heartbeat.
Objection: I am a current Navy JAG and the folks at TOPGUN are Navy pilots. There is no official Navy Regulation that forbids intimate relationships between two people at the same command, unless they are committing Fraternization (e.g. leader/subordinate, officer/enlisted, etc...). The only real problem in a relationship between Maverick and Iceman would have been that same sex relationships in the military were not allowed at the time.
LMAO 😂😂 Nice, 50th like man, also I’m wearing aviators rn watching a video on top gun
It's the Navy, same sex relationships are mandatory
What a twist!
Sustained!
I'm not allowed to do that but I did anyway.
Retired Navy here and you are exactly right on both counts.
"Who is this random guy driving his motorcycle on our flight line and shaking his fist at us? I'd get an investigation going at least"
I feel like that was unintentional gold
agreed!
Adultery by itself can add the complication of possible compromise, particularly depending on your job security responsibility. One of the first things I remember learning is don't do anything that could lend itself to being blackmailed for informational purposes.
There was no helmet law in CA when the movie came out. However, on base military personnel had to wear a helmet, hard sole shoes and a reflective vest. So he violated all those regulations. And of course would have never been allowed hear the flight line.
Tbf, if they were restricting themselves to the exact laws and penalties from when the movie came out, this would’ve taken a lot longer to make… if you think researching state, national, military, and maritime law is a pain, try researching OLD state, national, military, and maritime law.
Also, the Maverick x Iceman bit in the middle of the video would have been more depressing if they had stuck to historical law…
That vest thing may only apply to navy bases. As an AF rider we weren't required to wear vests until the late 90s
IIRC New Hampshire is the only state with no helmet law.They also don't have seat belt laws for adults (but they have a law for kids).
@@jackfitzpatrick8173 that is untrue. In NH if your under 18 you must wear a helmet.
When I rode there in the 90's Indiana and Washington didn't have laws for that but they do now. Iowa and Illinois are the only 2 states without laws for that.
@@GeryonM Nope didn have the vest thing till the 90s
No one gets a cool call sign. Tried picking my own cool guy call sign during field training at my first duty station... Was unanimously decided by everyone else that it would be princess. This was in 2003. Some of the guys I keep in touch with still call me that
Like Howard Wolowitz on "Big Bang Theory" trying to get the NASA call sign of "Rocket Man" and wound up with "Frootloops".
How do people get callsigns?
Ouch ya that's unlucky defiantly not one you want to introduce yourself as anytime soon.
@@nekonyx Its generally based on either embarrassing events or interests that become known can also be a spin off of a last name. I got lucky and got the call signs "Hammer" and later "Wolf" but I knew one with the callsign "punchout" think you can guess where that came from ;)
@@pdoylemi exactly lol
Fun thing about Military law, you’ll notice that whenever they point out an event and the charges in them you may notice that there are multiple. Most often when the military really wants to actually charge you, they will throw in atleast 3 and 1 will always be conduct unbecoming because it guarantees that this charge will likely stick. In short don’t commit any crimes in the military, you won’t win.
Just like the civilian criminal judicial system. The DAs office will always file multiple charges; “conduct unbecoming of an officer” is the military equivalent of disorderly conduct.
@@TheDecoCottage Pretty much
@@TheDecoCottage that’s only for officers ie commissioned normal military ie soldiers and sailors and airmen it’s bringing the service in to disrepute it covers everything from sneezing on parade to killing the president and everything between
Basically the "Murder, arson, jaywalking" clichê. Throw some minor but easy to prove in, so it's not a "dismissed on all counts." Even if the only one the y can prove is minor, it'll go down in your record.
Also, there are probably 3 levels of "buzzing the tower": one, as mentioned, during the Top Gun program, would be the least severe.
Two, in an area of active tension during an official military operation, it would not only be unsafe flying, but disrupting a military operation. That's already pretty bad. IDK what the offense is called exactly, but it's already a severe one, since it can not only mean harm or death to a single other aircraft but also harm an important mission, which can easily lead to e.g. loss of the ship in question. If that offense sticks, Maverick would face dishonorable discharge and some years.
The third and most severe one is in a war, whether a declared one or one triggered by an act of war. As has been mentioned, in that case, death penalty wouldn't be off the table.
Yes, and don't forget Double Jeopardy. Once you are flogged in Civilian Court's, the military gets in line and goes to work on you.
My physics instructor at the academy was teaching at the Top Gun school when this movie came out. He said that the school saw a spike in unsuitable officers being nominated to TopGun after the movie came out. He had gone to Top Gun in his day, and was about the calmest, nicest, and intelligent man I have ever met. He said that a movie about real top pilots would be very boring.
When I was a kid. We thought Ice man was an asshole. But he is 100% the only person with the balls to tell Maverick he's an asshole.
They all have huge egos. If they didn't, they wouldn't be there.
Had the same thing happen when I watched it too. Younger me thought he wasnt nice, but watched it again before the new one was out and was like "huh... He's not actually a dick, he's just saying it how it is" 🤔
It was the same for me when I watched Jurassic Park. Thought that Jeff Goldblum's character was an egotistical dick, but again watched it as an adult as thought "oh... He's actually right and asking the right questions" 😅
@@TickleMoiPickle123To be fair I think that's exactly how he's written, the book paints him as an arrogant "rock-star academic" jerk that no one wants to hear. Problem is he was actually right
@@miller-joel Sure, but Iceman's ego didn't lead to him doing stupid stuff. Iceman was 100% right in his gripes about Maverick.
@@barnabydodd8956 It was a nice moment. Let's not ruin it.
Clarification for Clearance: Just because you have TSSCI clearance, does NOT mean you get to hear everything that is TSSCI. You still need to have a "Need to know" to have that information. It needs to be absolutely vital for the person to know this information. So even if someone says " I have the clearance" your response should be "Why do you need to know?"
Your response should be "cool, find out through the proper channels."
"If you _have clearance,_ you'd already have been briefed."
Her job is to analyze the capabilities of the adversary's aircraft and instruct the pilots on them. That means she has need to know because she cannot possibly do that without being looped in on new intelligence like first hand observation of the craft's performance, including the context of the situation that allows her to assess that information.
Maverick jumped in in the middle of a lecture to interject that he had seen the MiG28 do something that she had just said it couldn't do, and when she pressed for details of the circumstances he said "Oh, you don't have the clearance for that." Well, she does, and their CO standing right next to them knows that-- that's why he brought her there to lecture them on what are surely Classified details about opposing aircraft. Even Maverick knows it or he wouldn't have ALREADY told her that the plane can do a negative 4 G dive. He's just deliberately being a dick.
@@dongquixote7138 Absolutely! If she needed to know she shouldn't be asking in a semi-public environment. But, despite what Maverick says, I get the feeling it's operational information that (in theory) everyone present should know already and he's just being a dick. I mean, he's not called "Maverick" for actually following orders like a good officer, now is he?
exactly, my wife has clearance through her job and when she got it the first thing they told her was unless explicitly told otherwise, assume you have no right or authority to share information with anyone.
You need to invite him back more often. Your buddy is super funny. I can immediately tell he was a marine officer. Carries himself with that exact mentality. Good shit
I served with this dude. Hilarious man. Great JTAC.
I agree. This guy is pretty bad ass
agree
dude is cool af
X2 Please do more vids with him, thanks!
Fun story, I used to ride with a half top helmet because full helmets would get a little stuffy sometimes in the summer. One time when riding on a normal street, in town, doing the speed limit, a bug (I'm not sure what because it probably didn't really matter) hit me right on the cheekbone and man it felt like I got hit with a baseball. After that, I always wore a full face helmet because I wasn't a fan of losing teeth to a large beetle.
Had a full helmet on one time, got hit in the throat by a bee.
Bought a leather jacket, wore it collar up. Summer? 900 degrees? I do NOT care, that's not happening again
Dad loves to tell the story about falling off a motorbike and walking away with only a small scar on his wrist - thing is, he was wearing full body, full helmet protection. The gear was wrecked; the scar happened through half an inch of leather after the road shredded it and the helmet was scratched up to the point of being unrecognisable. I get the feeling it wigs him what would have happened if he hadn't been armoured up to the eyeballs.
thank you for promoting motorcycle helmets! my uncle was killed a few years ago in a crash - he was wearing one of those little "prop" helmets that only cover the top of your skull. he ended up with a severe skull fracture beneath the back of his ear which killed him. please PLEASE always wear a helmet, and wear a high quality helmet that covers your entire head and face!
Yeah "but I don't wanna look like a nerd, I wanna look _cool_ " 😄
"All the gear, all the time." Happy riding! 🙂👍
My uncle flew a few dozen feet after hitting a Fiat 125p on his Harley like 10 years ago. He'll never walk properly again. This and having a friend die from excessive speed, is why I won't ride.
If I did though, I'd wear more than a helmet.
There's a reason they always tell you not to touch a motor-biker who's been in an accident and especially not remove the helmet: it could very well be the only thing holding their skull together at that moment, they're designed with that in mind as well. Call an ambulance and do whatever the operator tells you but DO NOT. TOUCH. THE HELMET.
Didn't save a buddy of mine even wearing dull gear. Be careful taking left turns in busy intersections.
Do more of this -- I'd love to see more specialist "laws broken" interviews. The interplay between you and Spencer was a lot of fun to watch.
I agree. But what are some other non military examples of popular movies where there'd be legal specialists? I'm blanking but it's a cool format.
That Spencer guy is hot.
Concur.
@@rvawildcardwolf2843 medical easily. mechanical could be too. and there must be tons more
@@leonardo899 I’m a straight male and I still agree whole-heartedly
Maverick: “That’s right Iceman, I am dangerous.”
Steven: “That’s what we call an admission.”
13:50
I never was able to figure out how these lawyers just have all these laws memorized. I know that’s what they are taught to learn but I find it crazy how anyone can learn and memorize all this stuff. Very impressive.
Im sure they brain stormed all this before they pressed record.
I think they don't just learn it, but also understand it😊 which I think it is the best way to learn something😅🤔
I'm dying! Devin building up to his Danger Zone joke and Spencer trying to figure out what law or terminology he is forgetting until Devin says Danger Zone and he just gets that "Son of a..." look on his face.
I just keep having Archer flashbacks
@@fuzzblightyear145 Especially the way he keeps saying it.
I think he literally thought Devin was an idiot for a moment. Look at his face when he first says “planes are going into a zone of danger”.
Timestamp?
@@KarlDag 19:26
The term originated with fighter pilots. “Hard deck” was slang for an altitude (10,000 feet or so) that represented ground level during flight training exercises. If you went below the hard deck, you had hypothetically crashed and were out of the exercise.
Reguardless of what these guys are saying, I always wondered about that. If he technically crashed he should have won that exercise without continuing the chase?? He won. Why didn’t that count, why continue?? But oh yeah it’s a movie.
@@johncamp7679 Perhaps the hard deck existed only for the pilot students, they were the ones who were being taught afterall. Like you say its a movie but if hard deck simulated the ground then Tom Cruise should've stayed above it even if it mean losing the exercise
@@johncamp7679 That's correct. Maverick shouldn't have gone below the hard deck but it should have been Jester being chewed out for going below it first. Either that or Jester "crashes" in the exercise and Mav get's automatic credit for the kill by forcing Jester to do it.
And chasing the opponent unter the hard deck is actually counted as a kill?
@@johncamp7679 good point. If Maverick forced Jester to drop under the hard deck, Mav could’ve pulled out at the last few secs and won the battle. Of course, everybody was violating the hard deck there in the desert, sometimes below the rocky peaks around them.
There is another aspect of security clearances. Just having "Top secret" clearance means nothing without a clear "need to know".
I was going to point that out, you beat me to it.
And the classified discussion needs to take place in a facility approved for that. Which if any of the locations in Maverick are, NCIS is going to have to spend weeks compiling a damage report given that everyone appears to take their phone everywhere. (One thing the original movie did correctly: nobody took their phone into a SCIF, if only because they couldn't at the time.)
@@BradAckerman It was 1986. No one had a phone to take anywhere.
@@MrGrumblier Indeed.
@@MrGrumblier Exactly. these kids man.
the two of you played off of one another really quite well..
the look of shock and indignation on his face at the end was sublime when he noted that they should all be actually doing their jobs, not celebrating.
I like the theory, that the US was willfully trying to provoke a war against the opposing country, by sending hothead pilots to the area, which they hoped would cause an incident which would have good scapegoats in case the incident was ill timed, or a good excuse if they were ready for war.
Seriously, after stepping out of bounds so many times... who recommended them for top gun, and why?
My guess is writer, producer, or director and because it made a better-selling plot. :)
Top gun program was started because a high ranking pilot was flying a training mission when two young pilots flying crappy planes on another training mission decided to dog fight with him and beat the higher ranking officer in a maneuver. The beginning of Nam was a clusterfuck for American fighters until they figured it out
The two original pilots, one of the new pilots and the older officer have given interviews on the start of the program.
@@nordoceltic7225 yeah I know that's why the senior officer who got beat by immediately found out who the two pilots were who beat him cause they were in a much slower non fighter bird. The officer and the new pilot came up with top gun
Well to be fair, if a pilot could do so much that was unrealistic and impossible at times, you'd sure as hell be put up for top gun lol
I love how in the beginning of the movie the admiral warns Maverick, "if you screw up this much..." and then Maverick proceeds to screw up at the highest level possible. And nothing happens to him.
You should watch the movie again
wrong order.
Wait til you see the new one. You’ll lose your mind
At least it was better for maverick than piloting a cargo plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong
James Tolkan's Character is a Commander not Admiral. He's possibly the Squadron Commander or Commander of the Air Wing. But definitely not the Admiral, his Silver Oak Leaf (not a Star) is clearly shown on his Uniform.
In a great interview with a former F-14 and F-16N pilot (Keith Nancy), he stated that although some aspects of Top Gun (the flight school) was accurately portrayed, there was no Top Gun trophy, "Because if there was, you'd have had guys killing themselves trying to win it."
as goose did die in the movie for nothing, just for imaginary points in a training exercise.
Yup the real TOPGUN is simply a pass/fail course.
@@Redmanticore Goose would have never died. That canopy would have been nowhere near him. The Tomcat used a similar canopy ejection rocket to my F-15D model, and I saw one in a video being tested for a new canopy we were supposed to be getting. That canopy left the sitting aircraft so fast the camera operator couldn't follow it well until it was well away from the aircraft. Now add a flat spin on top of it, give me a break! "Top Gun" is the biggest joke movie based on the military of all time.
@@cepeck65 Hey, at least it's better than certain movies
@@cepeck65 Dr. Schallhorn said during his interview for the movie, he explained how a flat spin could actually happen with an F-14 and that it complicates ejection. "The aerodynamics of the F-14 flat spin affect the timing of the ejection sequence," Dr. Schallhorn said. "The canopy is jettisoned, followed by the ejection of the back seat, followed by the front seat. In a flat spin, the canopy, when it ejects, bobbles for an extra few hundredths of a second above the aircraft. That upsets the carefully engineered sequence because the guy in the back could then hit the canopy. That sequence made it into the movie."
I think one of the reasons adultery is frowned upon in the military is because it often leads to soldiers shooting each other.
I'm one of your subs!
Yeah, giving someone else in your unit a motive to kill you instead of the enemy definitely sounds like it would be “prejudicial to good order and discipline”. Do not commit adultery, kids. Especially with the spouse of someone who regularly handles weapons.
Also, if it was a superior officer messing around with the spouse of a subordinate, that is a potential MASSIVE abuse of power.
My call sign was Gravedigger.
The back story is I had surgery and was grounded for 6 months, and ended up on funeral detail for 3 months in a row, and continued getting last minute calls after I was no longer on it, usually to fill in for a fri/sat funeral several hours away the following morning. Kinda sucked but I got a bunch of day passes from the squadron commander because of it, which also turned in to a joke among the company after awhile.
Not gonna lie, Gravedigger sounds like a cool name for those who don't know the backstory
Gravedigger doesn't exactly sound like a silly name for a pilot. Kinda badass, actually.
@@marwapranata5698 that's where most callsigns come from.
Slag sounds cool.
Dude Screamed like a girl first time he was shot from the carrier catapult
That's Awesome name. Makes me think of the monster truck called grave digger
@@benwillems8584 "Screams Like A Girl" ahahahaahahaha...... So you have to properly spell it "S.L.A.G." Oooh boy.
I honestly think that after having seen the movie a few times, while Maverick and Iceman sound cool... they're absolutely derogatory. Iceman is for his demeanor to other pilots. He's cold and not very calculating, just mean. And Maverick... earned his because he's constantly doing stuff he knows he shouldn't do because it's dangerous and could get him kicked out of the service.
The real Iceman was both a doctor and a naval aviator. As I recall, he grew up in Australia where his father was stationed, and he is in the Australian Music Hall of Fame. Most flight surgeons have the call sign "Doc", but when Iceman was first deployed, there was already a "Doc" in the squadron. The call sign "Iceman" was apparently given because the other aviators thought his hands were rather cold when he was conducting physical exams.
thats hilarious :D
stationed where in Australia? and when?
currently there are only two U.S. bases in Australia, one is intelligence (Pine Gap) and the other is communications (Naval Communication Station Harold E. Holt)
@@andyman8630 that’s classified. He could tell you but then…
Ward carroll has the story on his channel
I'd like to point out that when Jester dove into the Hard Deck he effectively by the rules of the dog fight NOSEDIVED INTO THE GROUND.
That ladies and gentlemen is called a Terrain Kill. Maverick would have every right in that moment to make fun of Jester, a Top Gun instructor mind you, for intentionally smashing himself into the Earth just to get out of a radar lock over the radio to the effect of "How does the Earth feel Jester or should I say Crater now?'
(Edited because spellig mistake :D)
PS: If you wanted to really help Mavrick out of this scene he could have said 'Jester broke the rules first sir. I don't see him getting repremanded.' or you could have had Jester intentionally diving to hard deck two other times to reset the fight, Mavrick finially having enough and locking him up to prove the point adding to his defence.
That thought occured to me, too. No need to shoot him after he crossed the hard deck. Jester had done himself in already.
Ok Firstly , Given how long the movie has been around for and the popularity of Maverick
i need to point out that MAVERICK is spelt with a K
Mate, you can't just put his name down as MAVERIC and not expect anyone who grew up with the movie to say anything , ok
LOL............ I mean seriously
if i wrote down GOOZE or EYESMAN you'd say something as well
Please make the appropriate corrections and give Maverick his due respect
@@martinkuliza it’s not that deep
@@martinkuliza shut up boomer, no one cares about maveric or gooze either
@@chaeairsoft
Yes it is mate, This is an iconic character
and honestly No one has any excuse , after this much time to spell the name incorrectly
also.. How could you spell it incorrectly , Seriously
i mean if you like Top gun the first thing you think of is Maverick
it's like Mad Max, the first thing you think of is Max
Sorry mate, this time you're wrong, Spelling Maverick's Name correctly is mandatory
Something I love about Legal Eagle is that he's never afraid to learn something. He always asks questions instead of just assuming something. I wish more lawyers and people in general would feel this way.
"Since everyone on the internet is an expert in military law, what makes you qualified..."
Wonderful opening statement. 👏 👏 👏 👏
I guess, if you want to call him "qualified".
Not to mention the best copypasta to ever exist right after it.
I’ll have you know I got my Juris Doctorate from American Military University, mainly concentrating on Barracks Law.
@@jkhoover You're clearly not even qualified to type full sentences 😅
Barely passable grammar, at best 😏
@@zackwatson6438 I once fought a speeding ticket.
Sounds like after this, and based on how casually he pulls that little maneuver Maverick is lucky his callsign isn’t “LadiesRoom”
Ladies Head... Or maybe just LH for short.
Edit: or maybe Headcall....
Powder room
“I’m maverick!”
“Bro you’ve taken three girls into the ladies bathroom in like a week. You can choose from PissBoy or Dirty Dick. Pick.”
Aren't call signs supposed to be only one word?
@@khamjaninja. call sign Creeper
Please bring this guy back. He was so charismatic and did an excellent job explaining the law just as well as LegalEagle.
He was a buzz kill! Maverick can do whatever he wants.
Except they screwed up explaining the HARD DECK scene, when they got called into the CO's office the definition of HARD DECK was explained. Something they some how missed.
The Former Marine could be the LegalSeagull
I liked it too. The script is written with a Capital "S". They were entertaining, but I cringed when LeagalEagle said, "So they were flying into a zone of danger."
Also not the ugliest man I've ever seen in my life.
HAHAHA Re: call signs - my brother ended up with a super embarrassing call sign bc he drank way too much at a house party once and threw up all over the couch and the couch had to be THROWN OUT. He has wholly embraced it and absolutely loves his call sign, but you’re 100% right about call signs being a result of something stupid or embarrassing.
7:40 "No one has a cool call sign like that." Judging from the _actual_ call signs of the stunt pilots that appear in the closing credits, I have to agree.
Yeah like Lt. Peter "Horse" Caulk. Say that one out loud and tell me you aren't dying of laughter. Guarantee his squadron mates were when they gave him that one. Bozo and Loner are some other highlights.
The other thread mentioned lots of punnery on names: a female pilot Katrina "Hurricane", a "Headless" Horstmann, and a "Vodka" Smirnoff. Definitely NOT Hollywood-style callsigns, but not related to any cringeworthy incidents. For all we know, "Iceman" could have locked himself in the freezer room. ;)
@@KomradeDoge OMG i didn't even notice that, ... i'm definitely dying of laughter!
@@achtsekundenfurz7876 I tremble in fear at what callsign “Dickinson” would get…
Something like “My” or “Fitya”
@@Ballin4Vengeance "Emily", naturally.
The PhD in Astrophysics isn’t unrealistic. She could, for example, have started her career in some space related topic and acquired her first aeronautic skills as a spin off.
I have a PhD in materials physics and ended up in automotive software development ten years after my graduation.
Engineering in general is broadly transferable. Mechanical, Civil, Industrial engineers; Electrical, Nuclear, Aeronautical/Aerospace engineers often take jobs in areas of engineering other than the specialty they got their degrees in. When you graduate with an engineering degree and get your first job, you don't really know what to do. I was in a panic, felt like I was totally unprepared until the experienced electrical engineer I was assigned as team leader gave his on boarding talk. That was when I learned those years in school were only meant to teach the basic toolbox of engineering, the rest would be learned on the job as specific details filled in the blanks .
*A doctorate in materials physics, eh ...?*
*When are we gonna see carbon nanotubes on a WalMart shelf ...??*
@@CaryMGVR
If I’m not mistaken, Gekko Tape would be one product that contains Nanotubes and is available at Walmart.
I’m an Airline Pilot with a Ba. in Criminal Justice. It’s amazing the paths our life takes us !!!!!
@@yaff1851
*Awesomesauce!!*
*Thanks for the heads-up!*
🙂👍🏻
As a kid growing up, I lived in a town where a lot of teenagers drove scooters, also often without helmet.
At one point, me and a group of friends was speaking with an older kid (we were probably early teens or slightly younger, so we were not old enough for scooters yet), and he put on his helmet to drive away. Someone asked him, why he was wearing a helmet, and he just calmly answered: "You only need to witness someone crash without a helmet once, and you will never want to drive without a helmet again!" - That has stuck with me!
Now, a scooter does not reach the same speeds that motorcycles do by no means, but it can still cause nasty damage if you aren't wearing a helmet.
Hell, riding a bicycle without a helmet can kill you.
People die from falling over their Bicycle at 6mph, so he‘s completely right on that.
We had a guy crash his bicycle down a rail-head at our base.
He died from the injury sustained on his head.
He probably would have not been injured badly at all if he wore a helmet.
@@heinzketchup4558 I knew of someone who came to a stop and had trouble getting the strap loose to free his foot from the peddle (1980s version of toe clips). Fell over and cracked his skull.
At approx 13:00 your guest refers to menial office work. I was familiar with a former pilot who was kept on an air base and placed in charge of 'Foreign Object Damage' (FOD) patrol - essentially a work party whose job is to police up any and all debris on the runways and taxiways so that it doesn't get sucked into engines where it could cause catastrophic damage.
I work as an Informations Tech in the navy. That scene where they talk about the clearance always annoyed me. Even if, her and every other Officer there had a TS clearance and there were no devices around that could hear/record what they were saying, they still wouldn't have the need to know. Two people with a TS could both be working together, and still not be able to tell each other a lot of things because the other person does not have the need to know that information.
@@WilliamSmith-vo8zu yeah, it's almost as cringe-inducing as "my hands are registered as deadly weapons" when nowhere does that. At most, it could be used against you in court to imply murderous intent, but even that is iffy.
@@WilliamSmith-vo8zu That is what we refer to in the navy as a "Joke", you'll hear them from time to time. I assume you are a civilian. Otherwise I assume you are a Marine or a Blackshoe as the latter two do not get issued a sense of humor prior to going on deployment.
@@WilliamSmith-vo8zu no shit it was a joke.
Yeah I had TS/SCI and the briefings and NDA's you have to sign to gain access to a single program are silly, also it isn't a blanket for everything, plus you would only discuss it in a SCIF with other people verified to have access to those programs, we had badges with letter codes showing what programs we had access to
Adultery is the security risk. Anytime somebody can have pictures of someone, which they threatened to disseminate or publish, that person now has an incentive to do something to prevent the publishing of those pictures. Prosecuting adultery, is basically an immune system against spying.
That would really only apply to TS/SCI, where even a missed credit card payment could end you.
The rule is pretty strictly because of old school morals and general discipline.
Let's not pretend as if this is the actual reason for these laws. If that were the case a lot of things would be banned which are not.
There's also a safety issue. You don't want a messy affair, where the betrayed party has access to automatic weapons much less artillery.
Your co could bed your wife. Would you then follow his orders to charge that bunker?
YES, and I was thinking of Relationship with a spy. The other side plays dirty like that. Just to drain Pilots mind, say as simple as pillow talk. Loss lips sink ships as old saying goes.
You mentioned the safety of wearing a helmet... that's no joke. In fact, It's amazing what can be accomplished with proper protective gear. A buddy of mine, who is a HUGE motorcycle enthusiast, spent a lot of money on top of the line protective gear. Once, while riding his motorcycle, he got T-Boned by a car that ran a stop sign. He was hit hard enough, that he flew 15 feet from the impact point. He broke his leg, where the car hit him (his riding boots absorbed a tremendous amount of the impact) and he broke his arm, where he landed on the pavement. That was it.
A friend of mine was in a motorcycle accident in which someone turned left in front of him. He skidded down the street on his face, but the biggest injury was chipping 2 of his teeth on his helmet. If he hadn't been wearing a helmet, he would have left a long bloody marker streak along the ground.
I've been down three times on a motorcycle and every time I was very glad I had a full-face helmet (and two of the times, a good leather jacket).
Wearing a helmet is important. However Legal Eagle was wrong about it being the state law. As others have pointed out the California helmet law didn't exist when the movie released. Even if it did it wouldn't have applied on the navy base (federal property). I'm sure the navy would have required a helmet, but that's a different matter.
@@johnbaker4246 As other people have pointed out, Maverick would still have been required to were a helmet per military regs back then.
That's one hell of an Amazon review though
The theory I've heard is that there are actual embarassing stories behind all the "cool" callsigns in Top Gun
Goose - snores so loud it sounds like he's honking
Iceman - locked himself in a freezer
You definitely need Spencer back on. I'm sure there's plenty of military themed movies for y'all to rip apart together. He adds such great, dry humor to the videos he's in.
"Nobody has a cool call sign like that"
There is military-wide nickname convention of someone's nickname or call sign being their shittiest trait or literally the name of what they do if they are integrated with another unit.
Maverick would have been called "Napoleon" for sure. 100%. No doubt in my mind.
I’d have tried to make it “Tiny D”.
How about "Boner-pard"
Maverick would never climb the chain well enough to be Napoleon.
Maverick's call-sign actually suits him. It's his shittiest trait: he's a maverick; basically a rattlesnake's tail about how he's a loose cannon and not a good team player. Even Charlotte and Iceman comment on it. The only three who have "cool" callsigns are Iceman (pun very much intended), Sundown and Viper.
Ewan McGregor's brother flies in the RAF and his call sign is Obi-Two. Not US, sure, but a cool call sign.
"I object your honor!!!" As a former Navy service member I can assure you Naval Aviators are "so cringe" when it comes to the ladies. In Australia I was chatting up this young lady and all was going well. A pilot from my squadron came up and all he said was "I fly the war birds he fixes. You know, like those guys in Top Gun." She didn't speak to me the rest of the night. I also object on the grounds that Naval Aviators don't get cool call signs. While on board the USS Carl Vinson there was an F-18 pilot whose last name was Mawheeney. And his callsign was "Lick". Coolest calllsign ever!!!!
Can confirm. My colleague “Squiggy” mentioned Lick when we were having a conversation a few years ago about odd call signs.
Naw man… that guy ate the Banana 🍌 at The Stage… or something else equally nasty AF.
That’s like a scene straight out of Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy. Like, just about literally 0_0
I probably would have said something like "True Buddy.... My job is to repair highly complex supersonic aircraft, and make sure you can focus on enemies and not have to worry about your life all the time because your work equipment might not work properly."
And if he's an *ss and does this regularly, probably something like "How are things with the wife and kids? I heard the marriage is on the verge of breaking up after the gonorrhoea thing?"
"Lick" Mawheeney.. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I used to tell my troops in Kandahar, it's all about perspective, they're the bad guys only because they're on the wrong team. In their eyes you're the invader and you're the bad guy.
Hitler was the bad guy, even if you were German.
In Australia we call motorcycle riders without helmets “Temporary Australians” and “Organ Donors”.
I just call them "no brainers"
Mr. Smithers to Mr. Burns as Mr. Burns is picking out new organs "All that money you donate to Anti-Helmet law groups is really paying off sir"
As an Aussie I had to laugh and agree.
Meanwhile in Indonesia, Aussie's neighbor, they are as common as house flies.
I live in Arizona where helmets are not required, and I continually got mocked by one particular fellow rider because I always wear a helmet, without exception, and the law on my bike is that my passengers will too. Guess who died in a motorcycle crash while not wearing a helmet. Oh the sweet, morbid irony.
"If he were at war...he could get the death penalty."
That scary moment when you realize Vader executing his officers for incompetence during a war is an actual real deal in military to an extend. (Well...minus the "no trial" instant execution thing, but still.)
All those silly frilly trials for proper justice just isn't affordable for a dude running a planet destroyer, he don't have the USA's military budget after all.😂
Stalin had no problem with speedy executions.
Good news! Summary court marshal and execution is a thing in the UCMJ! I don't think it applies to death penalties but pretty much you can be tried and convicted on the spot, or as close to on the spot as you can get in the United States.
@@kirbyculp3449 But can Stalin use the force? I didn’t think so, checkmate atheist.
@@Mostlyharmless1985 it probably does, treason and cowardice are both punishable by summery execution during a time of war iirc, although the cowardice one might’ve been written out of the law
Honestly, one of the coolest things about the Stargate franchise is, the military stuff not only feels real, but also _realistically serves the plot._ Heck, several episodes actually revolved around the _consequences for military misconduct_ (like O'Neill's temporary dismissal from the service for "stealing" shit from an offworld ally)...
Legal Eagle review of Stargate SG-1, please!
I loved that TV show Atlantis and even discovery ( edit sorry I meant Stargate universe ) which was canceled too soon it had a lot of potential. stealing stuff on an individual level is frowned upon, when it's sanctioned by the state, it's fine.
Most of what I know of military ranks and protocol comes from stargate Star Trek and MASH
Stargate: SG-1 had an Air Force liaison to advise them. And a major reason I chose the Air Force when I enlisted.
They had not one but two Chiefs of Staff of the Air Force displaying themselves in the series.
And on a somewhat humours note. They did film scenes in the actual Cheyenne Mountain Complex. Which is now operated by the Air Force Space Command. And in Stargate they show a in-universe TV show (Wormhole X-treme) that displays a slightly silly version of the "real" thing. Allowing it to continue as plausible deniability in case of a security breach.
With all that together the chance is greater than zero that there is some actual thing in some sort of ironic multilevel meta setup.
It's refreshing just seeing more laid back and funny approach to explaining law's. I'm just a music man so all this is cool to learn. Thanks Devin! Thanks Spencer!
This JAG is both hilarious and the most anti-fun guy I've ever seen
As is the cause with most Marine officers
As "Terry Mactire" mentioned, he was a Marine officer; and quite possibly, a ring knocker as well (he graduated from the Anal Academy).
@@terrymactire1669 yea, when they turn POG their humor goes out along with their humility and accountability.
@@Moon_Cricket_Stinks As a pog this offends me. That being said there's some truth to it.
He has a very strange brand of deadpan going...
Regarding buzzing the tower: as we know, permission to buzz the tower was denied by ATC, because "the pattern is full", i.e. there are planes flying around the area. So Maverick blatently disregarded an ATC instruction, risking a mid-air collision.
Wow, interesting. Please tell me more! It's a movie you dimwit! Fiction != Reality.
You’d be grounded FOREVER for that one
Also, Maverick not being married, didn't know the first rule of doing something you shouldn't. That rule of course is "it is easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission."
Goose was married. So he knew this rule and knew it was a bad idea.
@@PassportBrosBusinessClass But isn't there an escape clause on account of being highly skilled and attractive?
Hence the death penalty potential.
Being in the military my mom asked me if I liked the movie. I was like no if anything the military experience ruined the movie for me because how unlikely almost every aspect of the movie would have been
Oh yeah, my mom doesn't like to watch military related movies with me anymore because I nitpick. I'm somewhat able to suspend disbelief for Top Gun 2, but yeah. The flight deck and hangar bay scenes annoy the crap out of me
I was a kid when I watched this and it left me believing for YEARS that the military was out there daily fighting off random attacks to keep our country safe.
Recruiters are actually hanging out at the theater trying to recruit kids that see the new top gun and think the same thing
Predatory marketing isn't just for cash loans my friend.
"As Maverick's defense attorney..." and 6 years later...Tom Cruise plays a Navy Defense Attorney.
That's another Legal Eagle episode entirely
Has Legal Eagle covered A Few Good Men?
@@GhostBear3067 Yes they have, and it's everything you'd want it to be.
According to my friend, who has a phd in astrophysics and works for the government, astrophysics does cover the upper atmosphere as well. So she could be a consultant if they're planning on taking planes really high up.
Thing is, the PhD in Astrophysics doesn't have to have anything to do with the job she's doing for the Pentagon, and just be mentioned as a means of saying "She's smart, you bunch of lunkheads aren't, so listen to the smart person, you'll live longer...".
This movie portrays the military as like some kind of wacky college fraternity where you can pull pranks on people and the dean will just give you a smack on the wrist, lol.
Lol right "that's an order!" Actually means something
Don't forget the fact that he doesn't use proper radio callouts, which could get him in trouble
Also, interesting thing regarding the F-5/Mig-28 shown in the film. They use mostly Northrop F-5Es (re-designated as F-5Ns when being used as aggressors) and an F-5F, with modified LEXs and automatic flap system. They also appear to be equipped with AIM-9L Sidewinders, meaning the US likely equipped this Rogue Nation with weapons only a few years prior.
Also, the latter part of the movie with the final dogfight has some interesting implications, Namely that France was also exporting weapons to this Rogue Nation. The reason being they mention this country having Exocet Anti-Ship Missiles.
Edit: One thing that wasn't mentioned here were the scenes at Top Gun, with the aggressors.
The planes used were Douglas A-4F Skyhawks, which have been stripped down and modified with more powerful engines.
These Skyhawks were dubbed "Mongoose", and served as stand-ins for Mig-17 Frescos as Adversaries.
By this time, I believe the US Navy and Marines Corps were still using the F-21A Lion (IAI Kfir C.1) as stand-ins for Mig-23 Floggers.
Northrop F-5E/F Tiger IIs were used as stand-ins for Mig-21 Fishbeds.
HOWEVER, the US did actually own a few Mig-17s, Mig-21s, and Mig-23s. However, very few pilots got to actually face them in combat, and I believe it was only AF pilots who faced them, rather than Naval Aviators.
Final edit: One big thing that really bugs me about the movie is how air-to-air combat is portrayed. IRL, the Tomcat would be doing virtually everything with BVR missiles. However, that likely wouldn't make for a fun movie.
That's.... one HELL of a good question dangling out there that's worth digging at.
Thank you for pointing this out as I always just kinda let the technobabble was has 'eh it's a movie' but frankly? That's.... something worth exploring. What kind of nation would get that kind of hardware support from NATO that would then turn around and bite Nato in the ass?
To be fair, as we learned in Iraq, unfortunately the US selling weapon's to a less than scrupulous client is not such a hypothetical scenario. Iraqgate if you are interested. 😬
@@singletona082 I mean, Argentina kinda did that (Argentina was supplied Exocets, Etendards/Super Etendards, and I believe a few Mirage Vs by France. The US supplied A-4 Skyhawks, and Israel supplied old IAI Neshers (renamed as Daggers))
Yeah the f-14 is most certainly not a dogfighter. It gains maneuverability and speed in odd ways through configuration changes (raking the wings back for speed, and pulling them forward for maneuverability) as such it can't fit and spurt the way the f-5 for instance can. You have access to all the capabilities of the air craft at a moments notice in a dogfighter.
@@mizinoinovermyhead.7523 Later F-14s were better. It should be noted that the F-14s shown in the movie were early F-14As, with the TF-30 engine, which was known for compressor stalls. They were later replaced with the GE F110 on the F-14A+, F-14B, and F-14D
"why does the military frown on adultery"
For the same reason betraying your peers in any other way is: it destroys unit cohesion
And because its generally disgusting. Destroys a lot of people.
But if the wife pulls a "dear john" john gets to pay.
And yet, people who work for the military have the highest divorce rate among all career types. Jodie is always busy, and is hated by everyone.
At the end of the day, marriage is an agreement, and adultery is the breaking of that agreement. If someone can’t be trusted to keep his promise to his wife, can you trust him with your back on the battlefield?
@Ian Shaver IDK. The impulsiveness you get from being horny is pretty different from an impulsiveness to betray your country.
Retired AF JTAC here - I worked with a lot of pilots, and I always enjoyed learning about how they "earned" their callsigns. My last supervisor had been an F-15 weapons systems officer and her call sign was "Pinball". I learned later that it stuck because of her propensity to bounce from subject to subject in training. Another was "Jethro" because, you know, he actually did closely resemble Jethro Bodine of "Beverly Hillbillies" fame. One other was "Hammer" because his last name was O'Nale (get it?). Finally, there was "Bulb" because he was very, very bald and his head resembled, well, you get the idea. Good times.
I met a pilot doing his EWO stint in 07. He got FIDO, and explained he had an electronics failure and was so focused on getting the bird back he forgot his visor was down as it turned night. As he was making his approach he said f it’s dark out and after he trapped his RIO noticed the visor was down. He became F.I.D.O
"Struts", Marine aviator and earned for a very hard carrier landing.
His wingman that day?
"Lizardman", who apparently had a very long tongue.
I had Top Secret Clearance when I worked my last duty station in Washington DC area and I could not reveal anything that I had or knew except to the persons that I was told to give it to and I had to know that they had the proper clearances and also the need to know the information that was requested.
Fun fact, when the JAG said that callsigns are usually assigned by embarrassing or stupid things you’ve done, it reminded of a story that Tom Cruise told. The pilot that wore the maverick helmet and that TC flew with, his callsign was “ Bozo” 😂
When I was in Naval Flight School, I wanted my call sign to be Ice Man, because I was cool as ice (so I thought). But when I got to my first command, my call sign was just "soup," only because the first 3 letters of my last name start with "sup." I contested for a while, but I learned to live with it eventually. Well, at least it was not "stinky" (my buddy passed out drunk & $hit himself). LOL!!!
Can we get more of this guy? Maybe more military movies analyzed? Also funny anecdote, I served as a weapons technician in the air force and well funnily enough got myself a callsign due to a quite an embarrassing accident I had, I got hit to the groin by a rocket that another technician was loading into a pod, people after that called me Nutshot, which in hindsight is kinda cool but still embarrasing
So does just one person call you that and everyone piles on?
I mean, if you have to be hit in the groin, it might as well be with a rocket.
@@nekonyx Never been military, but based on my experience with nicknames, likely everyone who knows the story is thinking about how to make it a permanent joke, and one guy has an idea that sticks. Then people who don't know the story hear the name, ask how you got it, and soon they've joined in.
Time for Crimson Tide, Hunt for Red October, A Few Good Men, The General’s Daughter, JAG episodes. Do it!
When I was working as a delivery driver, I took a day off to go see an early showing of LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring. My boss gave me the nickname Frodo. 20 years later and I still correct people that call me a man, I'm a hobbit, dammit!
I love the guest star calling out how creepy maverick was for following into the bathroom, and then listing the reasons it's actually a crime
In those days, not so much. The Naval Aviation community used to be insane.
@@craigfelter Tail Hook Scandal anyone?
Back in those people knew how to live to the fullest.
Yea i remember seeing that part of the movie and im like ummmm lowkey sexual harassment
surprised there was absolutely no discussion of Goose's death and the very brief scene of Mav getting cleared of it. I know it technically wasn't a broken law as he was cleared, but still expected some discussion of why he was cleared, what would have happened if he wasn't, etc.
I was a submariner, and the fact that the deck crew ran out to celebrate the return of Maverick, drives me friggin' nuts. But hey, if you want to get your ship sunk, by all means, carry on.
The actual pilot responsible for most of the aerial filming in the original Top Gun was "Bozo."
Yeah, even when a pilot has a cool-sounding nickname, it's usually an inside joke that isn't flattering at all. I knew a cargo plane pilot with the callsign "Killer." He was the XO of a unit with a commander who referred to *everyone* as "Killer," so the unit made that the XO's callsign "Killer" to mess with both the CO and XO.
Ohhh I don’t wanna know what his tombstone will look like
I can't imagine his headstone 💀💀
R.I.P (Pilot First Name) "Bozo" (Pilot Last Name)
From some US navy pilot documentary... "SLAG" - "Screamed Like A Girl" when he did his first carrier landing
@@Aenonar it's even weirder if you are British
That is a good call sign
I like how in the Navy “doing something very menial in the office” is a punishment. In the Air Force, it’s just called being a pilot.
Yep, sounds like the Chair Force alright
~~Not actually an American or a service member of any kind, I just know the memes~~
They never show Maverick or Goose doing their division commander duties.
@@sce2aux464 Jerry Bruckheimer - never let reality get in the way of glorifying war!
Top gun is navy it’s not the Air Force
UCMJ is the same for every armed force. Some have articles specific to their branch, almost everything illegal in the Navy is also illegal in the Air Force.
Now of people are held responsible for their actions does vary between branches. Air Force officers are.... I won't say it.
Spencer: "3-4 years in the brig"
The screen: "4-5 years in the brig"
Split the difference, 4 years in the brig.
Price of a F-5 (in 1978): ~$1.2 million
Production budget of Top Gun (1986): $15 million
Spencer's look @19:35. Priceless.
I was once told a very detailed story of a pilot that not only buzzed a tower but broke the sound barrier while doing it, of which shattered all the windows. By some miracle, he was saved by a shoe string in court, with evidence presented that some parts of a plane might be supersonic, even though the actual plane is not. Like leading edges of certain parts. I don’t remember his punishment though. He didn’t lose his wings, but they made an example out of him.
I was told this story on a field trip to Edwards Air Force base, 20 years ago.
Call sign should have been rainbow
It's ok to do flybys off the coast of Vietnam. I was on a cruiser and had it done me and my captain. He didn't mind at all.
Love the comment about clearances.
During a deployment to Iraq in 05 I was responsible for the validation of all clearances for the Secret computer network (I was an IT Admin who caught someone in a lie). My lasting legacy to the Army was to create a paper process for validation - I couldn't have been more proud.
Isn’t paper easier to fake?
@@Snoop_Dugg Its a hell of a lot better than "because I said so"
@@brendanrobertson5966 I meant easier to fake compared to an IT process?
@@Snoop_Dugg No - a physical paper trail regarding security clearances would be secured in a vault somewhere, witha documented chain of custody and physical access controls. A computer record can be created by anyone with access, authorised or not, and much harder to prove or disprove authenticity.
@@cynicaloutlook Exactly. You can't hack paper. The only way to do that is if you were PHYSICALLY with it.
You know, while there probably haven't been anyone with Maverick as a call sign, there have been people with really cool call signs like Chaos, Steel Rain, and Dead Walker existing in the past.
Another thing about adultery: It would very much affect your security clearance.
A foreign government with knowledge about your affair could use that as leverage against you.
Only if the affair is not public. I have heard you can fess up to tons of stuff during your clearance process with no problem, it's the stuff that they find that you didn't mention that gets you.
@@blackswanmtg It's more nuanced than this. The deciding factor is if that knowledge means an adversary has power over you. So like, if you don't want your wife to find out, it doesn't matter if you are honest about the affair on your clearance form. On the other hand, if you list as one of your references your lover, who has a husband, And you say "Yes, I know she's married. Yes, he knows about our relationship too." Once the investigator verifies everything, there's no problem.
Truth. When a service mbr is evaluated for security clearance his/her records are screened. Personnel screens their service record, and their medical records are also screened. One of the things we were told to look for was repeated treatment for sexually transmitted diseases- which indicates poor judgment, & data that could be used against them as leverage.
As a person in the military you're wrong your security clearance will be fine. As long as it's not an affair with an employee of a foreign government and you haven't broken any laws it won't affect clearance at all but it will affect your career especially if you have some kind of public facing position
There is an old, Greek, I think, myth about a soldier who was married to a beautiful woman. His superior officer wanted that woman, so he posted the soldier where he was sure to be killed. After that the superior married cette woman.
Even just coveting someones wife or girlfriend/boyfriend, and not even committing outright adultery, in the military can be very dangerous.
My best friend older brother call name was "Badger"....cause he poked one with a stick(it didn't end well for him). His friend he served with, call name was "Bunker" cause he broke his arm falling out of a bunk bed.
Hey at least Bunker didn't sound so bad.
Mine was Fish cause my last name is Bass
I would actually be happy with Badger as a call sign, they are very badass... As your friend's brother learned the hard way lol
Yeah that's the way of handles
My friend had a nickname, I don't know if it's a call sign or not, but his nickname is Newt he found out how toxic a juvenile northern red eft is if ingested.
As a twenty-year naval veteran, and author of military fiction, I found this amusing. I will point out two things. 1) Your JAG friend was accurate to point out how light some of the penalties are for officers. If an enlisted member did the exact same crime, the penalties would be much higher. 2) The Congressional Medal of Honor is earned, almost always, by people who disobeyed orders. Great video. Thank you
sure but I bet none of those medals were given to individuals that disobeyed orders purely for shits and giggles.
Not sure if I missed something, when did the guy say the penalties are lighter for officers?
@@Raddaya They didn't actually say the video said it. It was their own observation.
@@Raddaya He said, I paraphrase, that if an officer did a number of offenses, they would lose wings, or be removed. Light penalties for crimes. Enlisted servicemembers would have the book thrown at them for the exact same offense. That was my point.
This may be true, and I've read about a few where it certainly is true, however there is usually a great benefit to their disobeying the order.
As an example, one that I can recall from WWII the recipient's unit was ordered to withdraw while they were underfire. He said he could see the enemy's gun emplacement from where he was and advanced rather than withdrawing and then disabled the emplacement once getting in range to lob a few grenades. His actions unfortunately cost him his life but also allowed the rest of his unit to withdraw without further casualties.
That is a far cry from buzzing the tower.
In my experience, the ONE thing that the military hates about all else is bad publicity.
If you do something to "discredit the Service" or "bring the Service in to disrepute", that's it, you're screwed. That's worse than pretty much every other crime.