Just so you all know, that guy playing the Nazi is the SAME actor "J. Paul Boehmer " who would later play 'One,' the 29th-Century Borg Drone who helped defend Voyager from the Borg.
A Nazi hologram convinces a Hirogen hunter to mutiny against his superior officer! I really hope the Hirogen do not or did not activate any Nazi holograms when Voyager gave them Holographic technology 🤔🙄
7 of 9 gave me chills with "then I'll die ! . . . one day the Borg will assimilate your species, despite your arrogance. When that moment arrives, remember me!"
This scene struck a nerve with my dad back when it first aired. The Waffen SS officer went on uninterrupted with his triad on how how righteous and just his cause was. It was actually some great acting and great writing. But my dad became visibly angry when seeing this and shouted "You are WRONG!" at the TV. It was kind of weird.
I didn't even notice that it was an actual old school recording until I saw your comments and replayed the clip. When I heard the static sound in the background it took me back to the 90's.
He was also in DS9, ENT and the games Klingon Academy & Bridge Commander. Was recently in The Orville too. He's played Human x3, Borg, Cardassian x2, Klingon, Vulcan, Krill and Navarian.
if I was being generous I would say that the Hirogen wrote something into the program where the holograms would always defer to them but it is probably just a balls up
When he says "the Romans fell to our ancestors..." I remember being taught that the Romans fell from multiple groups of barbarians. Essentially he is saying civilized cultures are weak and the Nazis are strong because they are uncivilized.
They fell to multiple groups of barbarians that were ethnically germanic, before German was a unified term. His point was that a civilized society that sits idly and allows percieved enemies to continue to exist will eventually fall to them. He implied the contrast with Nazi Germany is that they are proactive in exterminating all percieved enemies, legitimate perception or otherwise, therefore in theory removing the chance of falling to outside forces. This is a fairly compelling argument that makes him a well-written villain. It is also why the Nazis lost the war in real life- they made too many enemies, and it is why the Hirogen here lose in this episode. It is a fatal flaw.
@@sojourner. Yes and no. You are right he mentions it in the context of not letting barbarians overrun your society, but he views German ancestry as sophisticated similar to how Britain views their ancestry as sophisticated. In reality, his ancestors were a group of barbarians who were savages and nothing like the sophisticated Germans in World War II along with many other sophisticated countries. This brings the point that perhaps the Nazis were savages in a sophisticated country.
Yeah, I don't think that the connections from the TV to the VCR were set up well. Many of the viewers are saying that even for 1998 back then, the quality still sucks! Ha ha!
Eh ... In STTOS - they did things a lot with Nazi's - because they had all these Nazi costumes and sets like the '40's and old cars - so it was cheaper for them to make those episodes than something where they had to make it all look like it was from the 23rd Century. I don't know WTF is going on here. .
The Hirogen take over the ship and use its holodecks to run simulations where they hunt the mind-controlled Voyager crew, to satisfy their instinctive need. The Hirogen leader, who sees the holodeck technology as a way to steer his race away from being sparse nomadic groups driven by lust for prey, toward becoming a powerful and cultured civilisation, strike a deal with Captain Janeway. In return for Voyager's holodeck technology, the Hirogen will leave the ship and its crew alone. However, the Hirogen subordinate, who already questions his superior's unusual approach and sees the simulations as distasteful and inauthentic, is surprised to receive sympathetic encouragement to rebell and to be true to his nature from a programmed holographic Nazi soldier, who is a representation of a dark past of the predominant species of the Voyager crew, who are offering a way to lead the Hirogen away from theirs.
You refer to the logic of the facists who think they have more value than the rabbits or other forest beasts they hunt down. It think a hunter knows better.
Regardless of whether one agrees with this character or Nazism, the scene and dialog (whether it meant to or not) did an excellent job of demonstrating what motivated German National Socialists (Nazis) at that time. They did not see (no pun intended) themselves as villians or evil, but as warriors fighting for the lives and future of their nation.
Dear @@zelvadrian Of course I don't mean it personal. To me it's nevertheless and still crap that the film crew produced. Maybe I missed this episode, maybe it wasn't available where I live. But anyway. Best regards, luck and health in particular.
The human SS guy is addressing the alien as "sir", staying very respectful and all... but he actually outranks the alien, judging by the collar tabs.
Just watch Psych, where they constantly call the sergeant, "officer".
Just so you all know, that guy playing the Nazi is the SAME actor "J. Paul Boehmer " who would later play 'One,' the 29th-Century Borg Drone who helped defend Voyager from the Borg.
That was driving me *crazy*!! Thank you.
He`s a great Vulcan in Carbon Creek Enterprise ;]
He also played a cardassian in DS9 when Legate Damar and Major Kira stole the dominion ship.
Wild to see this in VHS quality - kind of fun! Also the UPN logo really takes me back!!
This is far worse than VHS quality!
A Nazi hologram convinces a Hirogen hunter to mutiny against his superior officer! I really hope the Hirogen do not or did not activate any Nazi holograms when Voyager gave them Holographic technology 🤔🙄
that scene and acting still holds up after all these years. my favorite episodes of the show
One day the Borg will assimilate your species, despite your arrogance. When that moment arrives, REMEMBER ME.
That is the same actor that played the Borg drone that evolved out of the doctors Mobile emitter😊
He was also in STNG and Enterprise episode ( Carbon Creek ) he played Nes-Trol who remained on Earth in 1957.
@@vulcan2882 I love "Carbon Creek" and I never knew that!
Thanks! :)
@@a.e.jabbour5003 .. that's one of my favorite episodes. You're welcome.
7 of 9 gave me chills with "then I'll die ! . . . one day the Borg will assimilate your species, despite your arrogance. When that moment arrives, remember me!"
This scene struck a nerve with my dad back when it first aired. The Waffen SS officer went on uninterrupted with his triad on how how righteous and just his cause was. It was actually some great acting and great writing. But my dad became visibly angry when seeing this and shouted "You are WRONG!" at the TV. It was kind of weird.
is your dad jewish?
you got a good dad with a good heart and a good sense of principle
@@liamloxley1222 you sound like the complete opposite of their father
@@liamloxley1222 he probably fought the fucking nazis dude i’m sure it was a trauma response.
chad dad
That impassioned rant is some pretty powerful rhetoric 😮. I thought that then, and I still think it now. Very powerful writing.
Watching this old school recording really takes me back. It's retro and fun.
I didn't even notice that it was an actual old school recording until I saw your comments and replayed the clip. When I heard the static sound in the background it took me back to the 90's.
@@nicotoscani1707 late 90's since 7 of 9's didn't come to Voyage until 1997.
Great scene and disturbing as well.
Wait, is the hologram the same actor that played the future borg? Season 5 episode 2. :)
Indeed it is!
He was also in DS9, ENT and the games Klingon Academy & Bridge Commander. Was recently in The Orville too.
He's played Human x3, Borg, Cardassian x2, Klingon, Vulcan, Krill and Navarian.
i knew I recognized his voice from somewhere. Nice catch
The holodeck German SS officer (Obersturmführer) outranks the Hirogen (Untersturmführer) ... so why does he take orders from him ?
if I was being generous I would say that the Hirogen wrote something into the program where the holograms would always defer to them but it is probably just a balls up
Holograms are reprogrammable but sometimes they take a mind of their own 😅
As usual the bigger monster turns out to be the human.
That was DEEP!!!
I know RIGHT! @@zelvadrian
That was exactly the point. This is one of the best scenes on STV
I didn't know aliens could appreciate fine Burgundy?
2:35
When you said "seduced"... but this is better.
Seven was hot in her prime
She still is.
She’s a milf now haha
Most definitely still is.
When he says "the Romans fell to our ancestors..." I remember being taught that the Romans fell from multiple groups of barbarians. Essentially he is saying civilized cultures are weak and the Nazis are strong because they are uncivilized.
They don't always think too deeply.
They fell to multiple groups of barbarians that were ethnically germanic, before German was a unified term. His point was that a civilized society that sits idly and allows percieved enemies to continue to exist will eventually fall to them. He implied the contrast with Nazi Germany is that they are proactive in exterminating all percieved enemies, legitimate perception or otherwise, therefore in theory removing the chance of falling to outside forces. This is a fairly compelling argument that makes him a well-written villain. It is also why the Nazis lost the war in real life- they made too many enemies, and it is why the Hirogen here lose in this episode. It is a fatal flaw.
@@sojourner. Yes and no. You are right he mentions it in the context of not letting barbarians overrun your society, but he views German ancestry as sophisticated similar to how Britain views their ancestry as sophisticated. In reality, his ancestors were a group of barbarians who were savages and nothing like the sophisticated Germans in World War II along with many other sophisticated countries. This brings the point that perhaps the Nazis were savages in a sophisticated country.
They fell to the Germanic tribes, so yes, he was correct.
He's a great orator (even though what he is saying is completely ridiculous). And J. Paul Boehmer is gorgeous.
The quality is nostalgic.
Oh sorry, I thought this was some few fangled chess move.
What was the name of the ACtor who played the Nazi Officer? He was chillingly good or should I say Evil.
J. Paul Boehmer
@@VaporeonCompilations - Thank You. Are you J. Paul Boehmer or just a friend or Fan of his? Was he in any other roles of note?
This scene is quite brilliant. The "seduction" was the same back then in germany.
...Niles?
Nice VHS transfer
Yeah, I don't think that the connections from the TV to the VCR were set up well. Many of the viewers are saying that even for 1998 back then, the quality still sucks! Ha ha!
the german is the same guy who played the borg Drone 'One' in the following season. Paul Boehmer.
Played a nazi again in Enterprise
Eh ...
In STTOS - they did things a lot with Nazi's - because they had all these Nazi costumes and sets like the '40's and old cars - so it was cheaper for them to make those episodes than something where they had to make it all look like it was from the 23rd Century.
I don't know WTF is going on here.
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I forgot about this one.
What is the context of this?
The Hirogen take over the ship and use its holodecks to run simulations where they hunt the mind-controlled Voyager crew, to satisfy their instinctive need. The Hirogen leader, who sees the holodeck technology as a way to steer his race away from being sparse nomadic groups driven by lust for prey, toward becoming a powerful and cultured civilisation, strike a deal with Captain Janeway. In return for Voyager's holodeck technology, the Hirogen will leave the ship and its crew alone.
However, the Hirogen subordinate, who already questions his superior's unusual approach and sees the simulations as distasteful and inauthentic, is surprised to receive sympathetic encouragement to rebell and to be true to his nature from a programmed holographic Nazi soldier, who is a representation of a dark past of the predominant species of the Voyager crew, who are offering a way to lead the Hirogen away from theirs.
Based
UPN 9 😊
Hate to say it but everything he said was true
bruh
nah
You refer to the logic of the facists who think they have more value than the rabbits or other forest beasts they hunt down.
It think a hunter knows better.
What does "hate to say it" even mean?
Regardless of whether one agrees with this character or Nazism, the scene and dialog (whether it meant to or not) did an excellent job of demonstrating what motivated German National Socialists (Nazis) at that time. They did not see (no pun intended) themselves as villians or evil, but as warriors fighting for the lives and future of their nation.
👎What crap is this??? I can't remember that it was in the Voyager series.
As I stated in the text under the video: Star Trek: Voyager "The Killing Game" 1 & 2 (S4.E18)
Are you having a hissy fit because your memory failed you? 😅
It's an episode of Star Trek Voyager.
Dear @@zelvadrian
Of course I don't mean it personal. To me it's nevertheless and still crap that the film crew produced. Maybe I missed this episode, maybe it wasn't available where I live. But anyway.
Best regards, luck and health in particular.