Thank you so much for this one dude ! I’m shooting for 400/400 on my 20 sti and I’m considering staying stock location and was looking at the FP blue and this really helped me finalize that
ME: I am undecided on my turbo set up for my STI as I upped my power goals. TH-cam: Here is Smeedia explaining your exact questions, enjoy :). IDK how they do it but they plant your videos at the perfect time. Thanks again!
An excellent explanation of the two orientations of turbo. Now we all know what we didn't know about a stock and rotated turbo and how much they impact get up and go!
This is really informative. The older subies are getting really desirable, because they are holding in price and reliable build info is so readily available.
The real benefit is the lack of heat soak on a rotated set up getting the iat intake temp and maf tube out of the intake block radiator hose area that heat soaks, you can run more accurate iat timing compensation.
Running a FP zero turbo but still waiting for prime to finish my build should be done this week they already posted my 800hp rated IC, so this really help me understand my build more ,
Holy f**k I was subbed when you only had like 1k subscribers I’m super happy you blew up and got the attention you deserve, your knowledge of cars especially Subarus is amazing and inspiring, keep up the great work and don’t stop, I can’t wait to watch your videos when the new wrx/sti models come out
Amazing video man, very educational for those looking to make the big decision. If it's worth it you should talk about Single vs. Twin scroll Turbos/Setups
@@Smeedia dang! Bro! You have been busy...dont tell me anything..i got the snacks..im gonna binge on the wkend....i got my PAR Gearset in while i was gone..it felt like christmas
Nice and educative series about it brother! Your videos are helping me polish up my listening skills)) I'm proud seeing as you're give yourself to the cause!!)
Great channel Smeedia! FP84mm silicone inlet fits but undeniably cramped, I went with a custom hard turbo inlet done by Hochman fab and speed he's on TH-cam aswell. 700whp plus i'd rotate everything! It's the best route overall for power & wrench time.
The hard pipes are so much nicer! Matt has one on his outback and they're a pain to install but fitment can be Better with them. I'll have to check out that channel 🔥😁
Love the videos man answered all my questions about rotated vs stock location. I’m on the market for a FMIC and I’m undecided between GrimmSpeed ETS and Mishimoto. I’m kinda leaning towards mishimoto cause it’s alot cheaper and comes with a bumper support to mount it. What’s your opinion? Do you have any experience with mishimoto?
Have a ton of videos on the EJ build breaking it down but was making 401/388 on stock block FBO. super fun but when I clutch died and the engine came out there was no going back for me lol
@@Smeedia iag 2.5 closed deck short block, new head castings with all bc & GSC internals, bc 272s, pocket ported and assembled by headgames. The short block has been at the shop for months now and I get to pick up the heads tomorrow morning.
Great video like always🤘🏼. You should make a video about what goes into building an ej25 short block like what parts people like to use, open or closed deck and stuff like that. Your videos are super informative btw‼️
Ended up going stock location as the car already had all the stock location parts completely upgraded and for my build I went with the dominator 5.0 which says it’s max rating is 650hp. I went with a new ultra v3 closed deck block with 1/2 studs and all of the strongest parts along with race ported heads and Kelford 282 high lift cams so I’m excited to see how much power it puts down. My tuner recommended going with a rotated setup but since I already had all the stock location stuff it was much much cheaper and I really don’t want a turbo bigger than the dom 5.0 unless it’s a twin-scroll setup.
@@rcstackz7333 on low boost 25 psi it made 510whp on a hub dyno, spooled up at around 4000 rpm. I was scheduled back for a high boost tune 36 psi or so but before I could the new engine spun a rod bearing from oil consumption during cold starts where I let it warm up a long time in 10 degree weather. Thought the smoke was just exhaust because it was cold but turned out it was oil. My tuner was actually impressed by the turbo and said it had a lot more in it since they suggested I spend another $6k to go rotated but I feel it’s the best balance between high power and fast spool-for a big turbo.
@@zokusharuuku1091 thanks for the reply! That’s damn good power per psi, was that 25 on pump or E? does the hub dyno read like a MD or DJ? I grabbed a fp black a while back, going iag magnum built heads 280s fmic etc, was hoping for 520-550 on E but those doms are touching 500 on pump lol, has me debating dumping it and going dom. I’d also love to go rotated but don’t want to spend that extra 6/7k on a kit just yet ha
this is alot to take in. now we just need one of these vids talking about built blocks, longblocks, shortblocks for fa motors. the new generation of motors
Your videos are awesome brochacho! Question for you . What's the most direct route to Rotated setup without buying double the parts. For example . Stock location would look like this in order ( for me) . Catback - intake- down- pipe - uppipe /wastgate - etune - full fuel upgrade (e85 as well) - ELH - Headers - Pro tune - intercooler - turbo upgrade - protune . What would most direct route for rotated be. ?
rotated turbos are pretty good, I have Turbo Concepts longitude rotated setup on my Audi A4 b6 and makes good high end torque because the engine easy makes low end torque. And if you’re running more of a street build, heat will become a problem but not that big depending on the car.
@@Smeedia it has a Turbo Concepts PDZX-184L series “stage 4+” (equivalence to a Garrett GT2860/2871) makes 403whp on 91. It’s a fun daily and good in all conditions since I’m in Colorado.
With a bigger turbo, and more power, would it be wise to upgrade the clutch as well? I remember the blubie melting its clutch when you went full chooch
Great video! That FP Black looks mighty tempting. I currently have a Dom 1.5 Xtr with forged pistons/rods. On e85 car made 460WHP (Dynapack) Im afraid Im at the current limit of this block. What WHP would you recommend sleeves/ or semi closed deck? Perhaps I could get away with a 2.5 Xtr...Anyway keep up the great content!
Uhhhhh what size turbo is best for my car I’m it needs to sound cool umm no other suggestions haha jkjk my suggestion many turbos for many different applications and don’t be afraid to change your turbo to better suit an event I change turbos as needed but mainly run a td06 20g 8cm, but if I’m doing right auto cross, I use the stock ported vf39, and if I was to road race or do a half mile rolling race I’d probably look at a gt 3582 fully rotated set up, or bigger whatever my engine landed on, supposedly the tdo5 8 cm 20 g or the tdo6 20g is the sweet spot for the ej25 with the tdo5 spooling lightly quicker but not holding power as long as the tdo6 so those two turbos is the battle of which one of those to get for 380-400 hp and 400 on ethanol for sure
I like the review. But unless I missed it. I think you missed the biggest pro of the rotated setups. And that’s getting rid of the oem type exhaust housing. Freeing up flow and actually aiding in both spool and top end. This is why killer b made the spoolinator kit you mentioned. Aside from that wonderful video.
Get the ams intake manifold and never have to worry about inlet fitment issues haha im running a perrin 3" inlet and had no issues putting it on my dom 4.0xtr with the ams manifold
Always a ton of information from smeedia! But FP Black ball bearing ftw for a quick spool that pulls to redline! Been running it for a week now and it's been amazing
@@Smeedia I'm so happy I listened to the tuner! It's been an amazing turbo for the short time I've had it. Spools at 4k rpms and pulls all the way to redline! Having a custom uppipe does help though 😬😂
@@imistimed6901 Hi I'm building (my local shop) is building a 2005 sti and my tuner suggested the very same turbo (fb black stock location) with the same pipe you're running ! Can you please tell me if its fun (or difficult ) to drive the car as a daily with a turbo that big (we are shooting for 500 -525 whp with a built close deck) fmic ,ewg ,speed density etc etc ...Is it this turbo really worth it for a quick spool (with little LAG) and a fine street driving car? Turbo cost me over 2,000 thanks for reply!
@@alexortega714 for dailying the car (considering I have a lot more done to the car), it's not that bad of a difference in turbo lag. Instead of spooling around 3k-3.5k rpms, the car spools at 4k. But I find myself not ever really needing boost and low end power for the car is still great for dailying (~210whp below 4k rpm).
Just curious if anyone has seen the Blouch Dom 5 hold up to those numbers? It's a pretty difficult turbo to find real world examples of. A lot of the sites that sell it just say 650HP, but do not specify any WHP. I did find from an unverified source that the impeller exducer does measure a bit bigger than the FP Black 82hta so that at least tracks. My STi did 580whp with the Dom 5, (but that was at 31psi and a LOT of ignition advance) using the Dynojet setting on Virtual dyno software. (The soft spot on cyl 4 EJ257 didn't hold and split the cylinder). Hope to find more examples and provide my own when I get things sorted out.
Yoooo smeedia I’m thinking about PROBABLY getting a fp black what size injectors do you recommend I’m thinking 1300 and with a fp black do you think I’d beat a mid bolt on 5.0 mustang
So you mentioned some good stock location turbos but are they single or twin scrolls? Definitely wanted to run I think the Tomei 7766 Arms twin scroll but they are discontinued now so not sure what to run. Was thinking full Tomei header back setupaiming like 450~490 crank hp.
Should I go rotated on my car? It's an 1992 wrx. But subaru was cringe and made it have a 90 degree cast bend. This means I cannot replace the turbo with anything. Because the intake manifold blocks the route if I went for a straight inlet.
Was looking at the 400 hp range, I’ve heard that after 350 hp you should be looking at upgrading internals also... can anyone confirm what you should be doing to keep the engine healthy?
I've got oodles of videos on longevity, depending on what the car is you might be safe. On my 17 STi I hit 401WHP with no engine issues. But to play it safe anything above 375 would be ideal to get a built block
As smeedia just said. Depends on the car. I've got a 18 STI pushing 420whp/370wtq on e70. Speaking to the tuner, he said it's perfectly fine as long as you don't bang through gears all the time although a built block would for sure ease your mind. Grabbing the right tuner really helps and they will know what the car should and shouldn't do.
hey smeedia, i'm having a coolant leak from my TD-04 turbo where the coolant lines bolt up. i'm using two copper washers for both bolts, you think that could be why it's leaking? should i just use one on each bolt? asking you cuz idk where else to find an answer 😭
Great video as usual Tanner! Love the content, very educational! I was wondering if it would be cool with you if I shot you a DM on IG to pick your brain on something? Kind of stuck on something I'm trying to do and can't really find good information on it.
Not sure if you've done it but can you do ratings on stock block hp? I wanna get a bigger turbo from the td04 but nothing crazy like the 20g. I'm still not sure if I would have to build my internals for it and I do understand building internals will make it last longer but maybe?
@@Smeedia late reply but stock block usdm ej205. I was looking into the jdm ej207 but for how much ill be paying, I just wanted to see if building the usdm ej205 was a better route.
@@Smeedia what about swapping in an usdm ej257 or ej255? I'm just more worried about ringland issues since they tend to have it more no? thanks so much! Appreciate it and love the videos!
What if I don’t know how much horsepower I want? It’s not a daily anymore, but it’s not going to be a track car either (maybe a track day or auto cross couple times a year). Budget will be what it is, but don’t want to have to rebuild every 6 months to a year either.
Can anybody answer this for me??? I have a 2018 sti and I purchased new break pads from hawk performance (black and yellow box) and when i put them on my brake pads are literally moving up and down. Can anyone give me a recommendation on what pads to get for the front and rear??? Pleeease
I have i bluch 2.5 xtr and did puch it to 450 whp on hub dyno on e85 1.8 bar internal wg nice turbo but now my cosworth cs 400 block went boom så time for somthing bigger
@@Smeedia i dont now any tips ? In sweden the problem is that the wg dump tube need to go back to the cated dp to get past the emissions test every year so the biggest bluch turbo or rotated setup I want somthing with nice spool pt 6466 gen 2 the power goals are 600 on hub dyno
6466 would be a good route to go, routing thr WG back into the downpipe shpuldent be a limiting factor for power, a little more annoying to deal with but not a bad set up
@@Smeedia ok yeah I will check it out :) I have radium hanger and 450 wlabro pump dual hanger so space for 1 more pump , iag 900 longblock is the plan for motor :)
sorry should have been more clear. just wanted your opinion on that setup, i know it isnt ideal per say. But I basically got a rotated perrin kit for free with a 6262. and was thinking about bolting it up to my 09 gt with the stock engine running 93. E85 isnt ideal for a dd here in CT, and I am not a fan of meth. Enjoy your videos
I should add I already have just about every bolt on upgrade you can do, tgv deletes, injectors, fuel pump, etc. stock 255 from 07 wrx but has good compression, healthy engine. My stock headstuds and 5 speed are the two biggest concerns.
@@Smeedia yes you know how the ej motor got replaced by the FA but the FB is for the imprezas and crosstrek I was wondering if I were about to turbo it I own a 2019 impreza sport
Guess what? I ran rotated stock TD04L-13T 🤣🤣🤣 And super easy to work on... *Many years ago my sf5 is bought used... It came with vf30 turbo, 04 wrx jdm 5mt full conversion... So literally when the vf30 dead, i slapped td04 onto the rotated postion...dead easy... No worries.. i will put back td05-20g when this td04L dead later in future.. Often working on stock location turbo sti/wrx for my friend's car..its a nightmare to remove the intake pipe.. even worse for the stock one...
@@Smeedia its just a simple a few inches of extension pipe from stock u-pipe..with old big body hks style external wastegate... actually its not alot different than stock location td04L.. can feel the powerband is slightly shifted towards higher range (about 200-500rpm further) 247whp at 6k rpm and 237wtq lbft at 4.7k rpm if i remember correctly from old road pull dyno of airboy spreadsheet *I ran both rare syms racing EL header and now stock UEL header (the syms currently were cracking at all joints waiting for repair/remade a new beefier version in future) **Im also using 04 2.0 jdm sti camshaft and big front mount intercooler that might have shifted the powerband slightly And a slight exhaust note change with lesser rumble even with stock UEL header (at first i thought its because of the syms el header...but the rumble just not as obvious as stock location turbo setup on uel header) I have my old build thread in subaru forester forum here showing the rotated location: www.subaruforester.org/threads/pomen_gtr-s-rb5-grey-sf5-journal-still-editing.401658/page-2 *It have been a couple of years since last ive update the thread anyway... Alot of interesting change have been made onto the car since (apart from the engine and drivetrain remains the same untill now)
@@Smeedia thanks.. yea since its my daily, so the mods were mild yet brings smile per dollar on the road... So it make sense that it was a little bit different than usual drag/show build... Cheers 🍻
This man does NOT STOP!!!
Nor do we ever want him too 🔥🙌🔥
Knocking out all the videos that everyone has wanted or suggested 🔥😁
Facts!
ive spent hours upon hours this week delving into fourms and you just solved every question i had in less than 20min. thank you.
Eyyyy glad the video helped 🔥🙏
As a huge Phineas & Ferb fan, I must have the Spoolinator. Excellent marketing Killer B!
🤣🤣🤣 I almost got the kit a while back, gnarly stock location set up!
Thank you so much for this one dude ! I’m shooting for 400/400 on my 20 sti and I’m considering staying stock location and was looking at the FP blue and this really helped me finalize that
FP blue is a solid turbo for that power goal! You'll love the responsiveness as well!
Educational as always! 💪🏻
Thank you my friend! 🙏😁
This vid was a HUGE help Tanner aka Subaru Sifu 🙏, you just helped me narrow it down between the FP Blue and the Dom 2.5 stock location.
Dropping that daily knowledge. Saving me a lot of forum time, and research in general.... too much spent on it already
They're endless money pits 😅😅😅🙏
I've thought about this a lot but never dug into it, wonderful info!
Thank you! And both are good options but tooooons of info about them both 🔥🙏
ME: I am undecided on my turbo set up for my STI as I upped my power goals. TH-cam: Here is Smeedia explaining your exact questions, enjoy :). IDK how they do it but they plant your videos at the perfect time. Thanks again!
Glad the videos have been helping my friend 🥳
We gotta see more of the Outback XT! Sounds like an awesome car
I'll try to convince Matt to be in videos more for the outback 🔥😁
An excellent explanation of the two orientations of turbo. Now we all know what we didn't know about a stock and rotated turbo and how much they impact get up and go!
Yasssssss 🔥😁
This is really informative. The older subies are getting really desirable, because they are holding in price and reliable build info is so readily available.
The GD chassis are becoming unicorns in rarely even see them out and about driving anymore 😢😢😢
Literally asked this question on your live stream your a god
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Turned the like button blue... like the lighting did to your face! 😜 I do always enjoy a good turbo talk 🤙
Turbo talk always makes for a good time 🔥😉
Turbo inlets are no joke. Found a hole in mine, and while it’s not expensive to replace, holy moly getting it in there is so frustrating.
They're so annoying to change with the intake manifold on 🙃
@@Smeedia Fair! I lack the tools to properly get everything out and back in there (for now). Soon.
The real benefit is the lack of heat soak on a rotated set up getting the iat intake temp and maf tube out of the intake block radiator hose area that heat soaks, you can run more accurate iat timing compensation.
Running a FP zero turbo but still waiting for prime to finish my build should be done this week they already posted my 800hp rated IC, so this really help me understand my build more ,
Glad it could give some insight 🔥 sounds like you'll have a blast with it!
Holy f**k I was subbed when you only had like 1k subscribers I’m super happy you blew up and got the attention you deserve, your knowledge of cars especially Subarus is amazing and inspiring, keep up the great work and don’t stop, I can’t wait to watch your videos when the new wrx/sti models come out
Always appreciate the support my friend! 1K has been a while as well 🔥😁 excited to see what subaru actually does with the new models!
Amazing video man, very educational for those looking to make the big decision. If it's worth it you should talk about Single vs. Twin scroll Turbos/Setups
Definitely can add that one to the list 🔥😁
School'em! Been away a while...im catching up on all the vids...im glad you are still rockin out
Oodles of videos to make! Good to see ya swinging through my dude! 🔥😁
@@Smeedia dang! Bro! You have been busy...dont tell me anything..i got the snacks..im gonna binge on the wkend....i got my PAR Gearset in while i was gone..it felt like christmas
I am so happy you put this out. Informative as ever and I am honestly glad I came straight here for questions and thorough answers.
Glad it helped my friend! 🔥😁
Nice and educative series about it brother! Your videos are helping me polish up my listening skills))
I'm proud seeing as you're give yourself to the cause!!)
Trying to help out where I can 🙌🔥
Thx homie always come in clutch with da info
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For EJxx setups, up to 55mm inducer size turbo, stock location is fine. 56mm+ turbos go rotated.
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Great channel Smeedia! FP84mm silicone inlet fits but undeniably cramped, I went with a custom hard turbo inlet done by Hochman fab and speed he's on TH-cam aswell. 700whp plus i'd rotate everything! It's the best route overall for power & wrench time.
The hard pipes are so much nicer! Matt has one on his outback and they're a pain to install but fitment can be Better with them. I'll have to check out that channel 🔥😁
@@Smeedia Intake manifold bolts must be really loose or lifted for fitment nbd though. I went with a o ringed tgv and spacer so it's easier to remove.
Love the videos man answered all my questions about rotated vs stock location.
I’m on the market for a FMIC and I’m undecided between GrimmSpeed ETS and Mishimoto. I’m kinda leaning towards mishimoto cause it’s alot cheaper and comes with a bumper support to mount it. What’s your opinion? Do you have any experience with mishimoto?
1:15 you literally gave me flashbacks to squeezing that inlet on with a prybar
I know your pain all too well... we tried it with a hard pipe on a friends STI and never again
Love the content had to watch this one again!
Very very informative video! Btw what was your ej257 build? Really interested in seeing it
Have a ton of videos on the EJ build breaking it down but was making 401/388 on stock block FBO. super fun but when I clutch died and the engine came out there was no going back for me lol
Rotated twin scroll sounds amazing. If i start saving now i should be ready by the time my brand new engine needs a rebuild.
Whats the game plan for the engine?
@@Smeedia iag 2.5 closed deck short block, new head castings with all bc & GSC internals, bc 272s, pocket ported and assembled by headgames. The short block has been at the shop for months now and I get to pick up the heads tomorrow morning.
Great video like always🤘🏼. You should make a video about what goes into building an ej25 short block like what parts people like to use, open or closed deck and stuff like that. Your videos are super informative btw‼️
I'll add it to the list to make 🔥😁
Ended up going stock location as the car already had all the stock location parts completely upgraded and for my build I went with the dominator 5.0 which says it’s max rating is 650hp. I went with a new ultra v3 closed deck block with 1/2 studs and all of the strongest parts along with race ported heads and Kelford 282 high lift cams so I’m excited to see how much power it puts down. My tuner recommended going with a rotated setup but since I already had all the stock location stuff it was much much cheaper and I really don’t want a turbo bigger than the dom 5.0 unless it’s a twin-scroll setup.
That 5.0 will be an amazing turbo! Let me know how much power it makes!
At what RPM this turbo starts to spool in your car. Are you experiencing any lag
Hey I realize this is old but if you get a moment, what did you end up making with that set up?
@@rcstackz7333 on low boost 25 psi it made 510whp on a hub dyno, spooled up at around 4000 rpm. I was scheduled back for a high boost tune 36 psi or so but before I could the new engine spun a rod bearing from oil consumption during cold starts where I let it warm up a long time in 10 degree weather. Thought the smoke was just exhaust because it was cold but turned out it was oil.
My tuner was actually impressed by the turbo and said it had a lot more in it since they suggested I spend another $6k to go rotated but I feel it’s the best balance between high power and fast spool-for a big turbo.
@@zokusharuuku1091 thanks for the reply! That’s damn good power per psi, was that 25 on pump or E? does the hub dyno read like a MD or DJ?
I grabbed a fp black a while back, going iag magnum built heads 280s fmic etc, was hoping for 520-550 on E but those doms are touching 500 on pump lol, has me debating dumping it and going dom.
I’d also love to go rotated but don’t want to spend that extra 6/7k on a kit just yet ha
this is alot to take in. now we just need one of these vids talking about built blocks, longblocks, shortblocks for fa motors. the new generation of motors
Can definitely add it to the list 🔥
Your videos are awesome brochacho! Question for you . What's the most direct route to Rotated setup without buying double the parts.
For example . Stock location would look like this in order ( for me) . Catback - intake- down- pipe - uppipe /wastgate - etune - full fuel upgrade (e85 as well) - ELH - Headers - Pro tune - intercooler - turbo upgrade - protune .
What would most direct route for rotated be. ?
Only main differences will be the intercooler, downpipe, intake, up pipe and turbo. Everytbing else should be the same 🙏
Great information as always Tanner you are the subu guru guy ✊🏻✌️
Thanks my man! Trying to help where I can 🔥
I prefer the performance aspect of the rotaded setup, and besides the rotated kit looks so good in my opinion.
Yessssss 🔥🔥🔥
Speed density vs MAF? 👀 potentially good topic. Going over use of BOV’s or BPV’s in each application 😉
Great Video! I like the green lighting.
Thank you 🙏🔥😁
Dorian always here with the support great video
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smeedia you should try explaining turbo setups like exsaust housing size and all the different variables for turbo setups
Be a difficult one to get accurate but ill see what I can do 🔥
@@Smeedia thanks
rotated turbos are pretty good, I have Turbo Concepts longitude rotated setup on my Audi A4 b6 and makes good high end torque because the engine easy makes low end torque. And if you’re running more of a street build, heat will become a problem but not that big depending on the car.
What turbo did you go with for the car? Sounds like a fun car to drive!
@@Smeedia it has a Turbo Concepts PDZX-184L series “stage 4+” (equivalence to a Garrett GT2860/2871) makes 403whp on 91. It’s a fun daily and good in all conditions since I’m in Colorado.
With a bigger turbo, and more power, would it be wise to upgrade the clutch as well? I remember the blubie melting its clutch when you went full chooch
For sure, you don't want to start slipping like I did. 😅 the ACT street series are good clutches to consider
Great video! That FP Black looks mighty tempting. I currently have a Dom 1.5 Xtr with forged pistons/rods. On e85 car made 460WHP (Dynapack) Im afraid Im at the current limit of this block. What WHP would you recommend sleeves/ or semi closed deck? Perhaps I could get away with a 2.5 Xtr...Anyway keep up the great content!
Whats the end WHP Goal? Sounds like your already making some solid power 🔥🙌
@@Smeedia Technically it’s a DD but we all know how that goes! I Would love to be closer to 500WHP 🌚
Stage 2 IAG block would get ya there to hold the power. If you wanted you could do Darton sleeves
I have a 650whp STI, think a 8780 BorgWarner is too big? It’s a street car I track sometimes.
Awesome video, super informative and helpful
Glad it helped and hope it helps some others 🔥🙏
Thanks for the info.
Anytime! 🙏
Uhhhhh what size turbo is best for my car I’m it needs to sound cool umm no other suggestions haha jkjk my suggestion many turbos for many different applications and don’t be afraid to change your turbo to better suit an event I change turbos as needed but mainly run a td06 20g 8cm, but if I’m doing right auto cross, I use the stock ported vf39, and if I was to road race or do a half mile rolling race I’d probably look at a gt 3582 fully rotated set up, or bigger whatever my engine landed on, supposedly the tdo5 8 cm 20 g or the tdo6 20g is the sweet spot for the ej25 with the tdo5 spooling lightly quicker but not holding power as long as the tdo6 so those two turbos is the battle of which one of those to get for 380-400 hp and 400 on ethanol for sure
I like the review. But unless I missed it. I think you missed the biggest pro of the rotated setups. And that’s getting rid of the oem type exhaust housing. Freeing up flow and actually aiding in both spool and top end. This is why killer b made the spoolinator kit you mentioned. Aside from that wonderful video.
True, I did not touch on that point but good addition to add in! 🙏
You have a nice wrx I would love 2018 wrx
Thank you! 🔥🙏🔥
Can you speak about greenspeed compliance with a rotated kit?
Good content as usual man. 💪🏾💪🏾
Get the ams intake manifold and never have to worry about inlet fitment issues haha im running a perrin 3" inlet and had no issues putting it on my dom 4.0xtr with the ams manifold
Not badddd, I've got the 3.3" FP Inlet now on my 05 and and don't have any issued with the stock manifold 🔥
I've also wondered about front mounted turbo, and rotated intake manifolds also.
Seen a hand full of them, more of a custom set up 🔥😁
Always a ton of information from smeedia! But FP Black ball bearing ftw for a quick spool that pulls to redline! Been running it for a week now and it's been amazing
The FP black is such a solid turbo! A few buddies use the same model 🔥🔥🔥😁
@@Smeedia I'm so happy I listened to the tuner! It's been an amazing turbo for the short time I've had it. Spools at 4k rpms and pulls all the way to redline! Having a custom uppipe does help though 😬😂
@@imistimed6901 Hi I'm building (my local shop) is building a 2005 sti and my tuner suggested the very same turbo (fb black stock location) with the same pipe you're running ! Can you please tell me if its fun (or difficult ) to drive the car as a daily with a turbo that big (we are shooting for 500 -525 whp with a built close deck) fmic ,ewg ,speed density etc etc ...Is it this turbo really worth it for a quick spool (with little LAG) and a fine street driving car? Turbo cost me over 2,000 thanks for reply!
@@alexortega714 for dailying the car (considering I have a lot more done to the car), it's not that bad of a difference in turbo lag. Instead of spooling around 3k-3.5k rpms, the car spools at 4k. But I find myself not ever really needing boost and low end power for the car is still great for dailying (~210whp below 4k rpm).
What camera do you use?? Love the quality!
Thank you and its the Canon EOS R 🙏
Just curious if anyone has seen the Blouch Dom 5 hold up to those numbers? It's a pretty difficult turbo to find real world examples of. A lot of the sites that sell it just say 650HP, but do not specify any WHP. I did find from an unverified source that the impeller exducer does measure a bit bigger than the FP Black 82hta so that at least tracks. My STi did 580whp with the Dom 5, (but that was at 31psi and a LOT of ignition advance) using the Dynojet setting on Virtual dyno software. (The soft spot on cyl 4 EJ257 didn't hold and split the cylinder). Hope to find more examples and provide my own when I get things sorted out.
Hey I just want to say great advice and awesome video!!!
Thank you! Tried to get as much info into this one as I could 🔥🙏
Hey real quick ive seen on the description that the fp xona rotor for sti does 700+ is that to the motor or to the wheels?
Typically rated to the wheels unless otherwise stated 🙏
Can I still use my stock tubro on a rotated turbo setup? Very helpful video!
I Mena technically yes you could but I wouldent advise doing so 🙏
Great vid as always
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Going to a rotated T3 or T4 compressor also opens up tons of cheaper turbo options. They’re usually half the price of a stock location...
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Yoooo smeedia I’m thinking about PROBABLY getting a fp black what size injectors do you recommend I’m thinking 1300 and with a fp black do you think I’d beat a mid bolt on 5.0 mustang
1300 would be the minimum I would get but comes down to how much power your shooting for 🔥😁
So you mentioned some good stock location turbos but are they single or twin scrolls? Definitely wanted to run I think the Tomei 7766 Arms twin scroll but they are discontinued now so not sure what to run. Was thinking full Tomei header back setupaiming like 450~490 crank hp.
All the ones I mentioned are single scroll set ups. Twin scroll is a great option just not one I see a lot of people using
@@Smeedia Understood, much appreciate the information and confirmation. We shall see what happens then and maybe Ill see ya around WA.
Do you need a built motor to go rotated?
Need... no
But I would suggest it
Missing the biggest pro of a rotated set up. Looking heeeekkkktiiiccc
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Should I go rotated on my car? It's an 1992 wrx. But subaru was cringe and made it have a 90 degree cast bend. This means I cannot replace the turbo with anything. Because the intake manifold blocks the route if I went for a straight inlet.
What are your power goals for that car? And I know, those older (90s) WRXs were designed a little odd
@@Smeedia because I have the closed deck block I'm shooting for 450- 500 bhp. With car that light. It should fly.
Rotated wouldn't be a bad idea, you'll prob have to get a custom fabbed set up though (at minimum up pipe and downpipe)
@@Smeedia thanks!! Apparently all I have to do is get a 02-07 catback if I get a 02-07 rotated setup. Because they are the same length 👌👌👌
Was looking at the 400 hp range, I’ve heard that after 350 hp you should be looking at upgrading internals also... can anyone confirm what you should be doing to keep the engine healthy?
I've got oodles of videos on longevity, depending on what the car is you might be safe. On my 17 STi I hit 401WHP with no engine issues. But to play it safe anything above 375 would be ideal to get a built block
As smeedia just said. Depends on the car. I've got a 18 STI pushing 420whp/370wtq on e70. Speaking to the tuner, he said it's perfectly fine as long as you don't bang through gears all the time although a built block would for sure ease your mind. Grabbing the right tuner really helps and they will know what the car should and shouldn't do.
hey smeedia, i'm having a coolant leak from my TD-04 turbo where the coolant lines bolt up. i'm using two copper washers for both bolts, you think that could be why it's leaking? should i just use one on each bolt? asking you cuz idk where else to find an answer 😭
Just to clarify your using a crash washer on both sides of thr bajo bolt right? 🙏
@@Smeedia yes i am! idk i'm pretty sure they torqued to the right specs too
Sick info bud, 🤙
Thanks my man! 🔥😁
Great video as usual Tanner! Love the content, very educational! I was wondering if it would be cool with you if I shot you a DM on IG to pick your brain on something? Kind of stuck on something I'm trying to do and can't really find good information on it.
Feel free! I'll do my best to try and swing through 🙏🔥
FP blue with 84mm inlet... nightmare trying to fit it. Specially when you get to the power steering pump.
I ad the 84mm inlet I was going to use a while back, looked like a nightmare to try and fit in there 😖
Not sure if you've done it but can you do ratings on stock block hp? I wanna get a bigger turbo from the td04 but nothing crazy like the 20g. I'm still not sure if I would have to build my internals for it and I do understand building internals will make it last longer but maybe?
I can make one, what engine do you currently have?
@@Smeedia late reply but stock block usdm ej205. I was looking into the jdm ej207 but for how much ill be paying, I just wanted to see if building the usdm ej205 was a better route.
The 205s typicpically hold around 350, the 207s are pretty solid up to 400. Building a USDM engine would probably be a little bit cheaper than a JDM
@@Smeedia what about swapping in an usdm ej257 or ej255? I'm just more worried about ringland issues since they tend to have it more no? thanks so much! Appreciate it and love the videos!
Question does 450-500 hp make sense to have a rotated kit or those number are ok with stock location
You can achieve that with an FP Black in stock location. Personal above 500WHP i would say rotated, below stock location
Can you buy a stock turbo and just swap them?
What if I don’t know how much horsepower I want? It’s not a daily anymore, but it’s not going to be a track car either (maybe a track day or auto cross couple times a year). Budget will be what it is, but don’t want to have to rebuild every 6 months to a year either.
If its just an Auto X car TBH 350WHP us enough
What do you guys think of a Garrett GTX 3071r for 400w? Stock location. My Sti is my daily.
Good turbo choice, an FP Blue or a 1.5XTR might be a better option though for a goal of 400WHP
Can anybody answer this for me??? I have a 2018 sti and I purchased new break pads from hawk performance (black and yellow box) and when i put them on my brake pads are literally moving up and down. Can anyone give me a recommendation on what pads to get for the front and rear??? Pleeease
They should have a small amount of movement, how much do they move?
@@Smeedia a good amount and its ridiculously loud. Embarrassingly loud
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you never linked the third party rotated kit.
my new turbo is so big I had to notch out my block and bellhousing to make it fit in the stock location
I've seen a few set ups have to do this, what turbo did you use?
Whats the difference between ceramic piping and non ceramic
Ceramic coating is a form of heat protection. Its a coating that is sprayed onto the piping
Do you guys think its possible to get a front mounted intercooler on a Forester XT then a rotated setup
Yes, I've seen a handful of people do it before. Not much different than doing it on an STI or WRX
Is the turbo on your brz oil cooled only?
Oil is only there for lubrication for the CHRA but it does not use any coolant lines 🙏
@@Smeedia bless
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Most or All ETS stuff are for left hand drive , i need for a RHD jdm car , would like some recommended sites for RHD stuff
I'll see what I can find RHD parts can be a little tedious to track down here
@@Smeedia yea it is, I was pricing some ets parts only to read it don't fit on the rhd cars
@@MixmasterMegz767 try bnm performance, he can make anything you want. He does a lot of Subaru turbo kits
@@lbabe1996 thanks a lot , i will for sure , need a kit done for a right hand drive gc8 and a 2009 sti hatch . both jdm cars
What about running a twin scroll vs the stock?
Will add that one to the list 🔥🙏 essentially the twin scroll will divide exhaust pulses better. But can make a video going in depth
@@Smeedia yes please. Been thinking of going twin scroll.
I have i bluch 2.5 xtr and did puch it to 450 whp on hub dyno on e85 1.8 bar internal wg nice turbo but now my cosworth cs 400 block went boom så time for somthing bigger
How big are you going? 🔥
@@Smeedia i dont now any tips ? In sweden the problem is that the wg dump tube need to go back to the cated dp to get past the emissions test every year so the biggest bluch turbo or rotated setup I want somthing with nice spool pt 6466 gen 2 the power goals are 600 on hub dyno
6466 would be a good route to go, routing thr WG back into the downpipe shpuldent be a limiting factor for power, a little more annoying to deal with but not a bad set up
@@Smeedia ok yeah I will check it out :) I have radium hanger and 450 wlabro pump dual hanger so space for 1 more pump , iag 900 longblock is the plan for motor :)
Can I put a fp green in stock location?
Yes, that is a stock location turbo 🙏
What about Garrett turbos?
Good turbos, seen people make great power with them
Can I fit a precision 5858 in stock location?
With a lot of custom modification maybe, but unlikely lol
Anyone with a 19-20 STi have any experience with running the FP Green? I'm looking to make 425-450 awhp on a flex fuel tune and a stock motor.
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stock long block rotated with 93?
Doable, but not sure what your asking 😅
sorry should have been more clear. just wanted your opinion on that setup, i know it isnt ideal per say. But I basically got a rotated perrin kit for free with a 6262. and was thinking about bolting it up to my 09 gt with the stock engine running 93. E85 isnt ideal for a dd here in CT, and I am not a fan of meth. Enjoy your videos
I should add I already have just about every bolt on upgrade you can do, tgv deletes, injectors, fuel pump, etc. stock 255 from 07 wrx but has good compression, healthy engine. My stock headstuds and 5 speed are the two biggest concerns.
Whats the motor? 255, 257, 257 RA?
stock internal 07 wrx ej255
What about for FB motors
For an engine?
@@Smeedia yes you know how the ej motor got replaced by the FA but the FB is for the imprezas and crosstrek I was wondering if I were about to turbo it I own a 2019 impreza sport
Guess what? I ran rotated stock TD04L-13T 🤣🤣🤣
And super easy to work on...
*Many years ago my sf5 is bought used... It came with vf30 turbo, 04 wrx jdm 5mt full conversion...
So literally when the vf30 dead, i slapped td04 onto the rotated postion...dead easy...
No worries.. i will put back td05-20g when this td04L dead later in future..
Often working on stock location turbo sti/wrx for my friend's car..its a nightmare to remove the intake pipe.. even worse for the stock one...
Can't say I've sever seen that done before lol how'd the car feel after doing so? What did you use as the up pipe? Lol
@@Smeedia its just a simple a few inches of extension pipe from stock u-pipe..with old big body hks style external wastegate...
actually its not alot different than stock location td04L.. can feel the powerband is slightly shifted towards higher range (about 200-500rpm further)
247whp at 6k rpm and 237wtq lbft at 4.7k rpm if i remember correctly from old road pull dyno of airboy spreadsheet
*I ran both rare syms racing EL header and now stock UEL header (the syms currently were cracking at all joints waiting for repair/remade a new beefier version in future)
**Im also using 04 2.0 jdm sti camshaft and big front mount intercooler that might have shifted the powerband slightly
And a slight exhaust note change with lesser rumble even with stock UEL header (at first i thought its because of the syms el header...but the rumble just not as obvious as stock location turbo setup on uel header)
I have my old build thread in subaru forester forum here showing the rotated location: www.subaruforester.org/threads/pomen_gtr-s-rb5-grey-sf5-journal-still-editing.401658/page-2
*It have been a couple of years since last ive update the thread anyway... Alot of interesting change have been made onto the car since (apart from the engine and drivetrain remains the same untill now)
Actually cool to see! Also kudos on the thread, not too many people take the time to Actually document different and cool things.
@@Smeedia thanks.. yea since its my daily, so the mods were mild yet brings smile per dollar on the road...
So it make sense that it was a little bit different than usual drag/show build...
Cheers 🍻
Can use oem turbo and rotated it and put waste gate? I got FA20DIT..
Green light makes ur face look like the old brz wrap
Long love the green wrap lol
If no smog why not.
My 35r cruises better than my vf 48 in my forester
Garrett makes some great turbos 🔥
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The black has made over 6xx so 550 max is a lie
What set up was used for it?!
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