*PVP IVS* ARE NOT THE BEST - BREAKPOINTS EXPLAINED in POKEMON GO!
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0:00 - Intro
0:12 - Prerequisites
0:55 - Video Credit
1:06 - Break Points Explained
2:26 - Fast Move Inequality
3:15 - Bulk Sacrificed
3:45 - Bulk Points Explained
4:55 - Finding General Break Points
8:05 - Finding Individual Breakpoints
11:50 - Breakpoints VS PVP IVS
12:40 - Final Note
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#pokemongo #pokedaxi #breakpoints #breakpointsexplained #whatarebreakpoints - เกม
At this point Daxi knows more about PvP than Niantic
not discrediting Daxi... but pretty much everybody knows more about PvP than Niantic
Bahaha daxi is on another level but denis tvarog is also speaking facts lol 😭😭😭😭
True 🤣🤣🤣
One day, Niantic will just say, "Let's use decimals for Fast Most damages"
As fucked up as thus is im 90% confident this is actually true
Not gonna lie, I never knew the Go Battles were this deep. This is very informative and though I'm not too deep into the battles yet, this'll definitely help in the future. Dope vid 👏🏾
Yes a lot to learn bro!
My brain hurts after this but I think it helped. Thanks for teaching this very complicated mechanic
I'm still learning more about it myself
@ It takes years, even decades to master this
My advice. Just leave pvp. Is it worth it? Hell no.
For me the start of this season was great with near constant wins. Now it's constant losses. Doesn't matter what team combo I use I always end up loosing. That's the thing about pvp. Every win must be balanced out by a loss. If you won 5 matches in one set you must lose 5 matches in the next set. That's what has been happening with me for a while now. I would win 5 matches in one set then lose 5 matches in the very next set. I'm done with this crap.
@@sigisoltau6073 sounds like a personal problem. I'm winning just fine.
@@Pamijay You yeah. Not sure why I'm having this loosing streak. Started of great but then it started going down hill for some reason. It's like the game needs to be perfectly balanced. Every win needs a loss. And it's not my team.
Coming from an extensive background of tabletop gaming, you hear the phrase "you only needed to do 1 point of dmg" so often. Those extra points add up over time and are worth seeking out the breakpoints you need. It's not vital in normal rankings since you can 1 win grind your way to r20, but it could be what pushes you rating higher. Most players either don't care about them, or don't know(some believe hard-core that using any info outside of the app is cheating).
Great breakdown Dax. Hope this helps people understand the concept better.
this is only for harcore pvp guys. We run like thousands of sims just to find these and optimize our resources. good content. ONE thing, Rank 1 ivs dont maximize bulk. They maximize total stats. That means there are more defense weighted IV spreads than Rank 1
your vids are always really helpful! keep up the great work!!
Thanks for breaking this down for everyone, however as a casual PvP player, this is something where I don't really have the time to prepare when it comes to community days etc, and since I don't have the time to spend to do all this, I therefore I don't have the inclination either. Swagtips is all very good but this wil alsol detract for my enjoyment of participating in comm days.
Thanks! Been waiting for swagman to drop a tutorial like this so I can do research on some spicy picks I want to try. Would love to see more!
Very helpful video explaining an advanced mechanic. Good video!
Great video 🙌🏼🎉💯🙌🏼
Great video Daxi! Very happy to see you making more pvp focused content and thus providing people more knowledge on the topic! If I had no add something it would be to precise something you said. The rank 1 isn't the most defensive option of a mon, yes it is the bulkiest overall, but in pvpoke you can actually maximize a pokemon regarding its defense, and it wont be the rank 1. So just wanted to say that despise it being very accurate, we could be even more when calculating the breakpoint!
I watched this one twice LoL 😂
This one was the best and much needed in PvP community for people like me 🙂
TYSM dax 💫
YO I never thought I'd see you making videos like this haha. GGS!
This is amazing! Thank you so much.
Daxi love your videos it helps a lot💜
Thanks this made some things clear for me. So now i might finally be able to make up which of my different medichams I'll start powering for GL
GREAT video!!
Oh my god thanks this helped me so much in my pvp battles
Really good and I learned good. And sure I like more these
Hi Daxi, love your videos man🥰😍🤩😘
Love your vids
Simple and concise. You are a god!!
Thanks for these tips and help
I didn't know ANY of this, I knew there were numbers and stuff i was missing but wow, thanks man. I'll keep it in mind
Really interesting, really well explained. I really don't care, though :P. (I'm not willing to check IVs that specifically, I just hit poke genie overlay, if any of the ratings is >99% I keep the mon in case I ever wana play pvp.)
FINALLY! THANK YOU SO MUCH!
great recommendation, fan of Swag tippssss... swag tippsssss... swag tipppsssss....
Very informative video. I follow Swag Tips but yours was easier to understand. It would be great if you could do this for each Com day Pokemon
Or just give the best Breakpoint IV sets
Thanks so much!
Thanks so much! I'm really learning so much from ThoTecnical and he's a huge fan of breakpoints but I really didn't know what he was talking about at all
dam this was so helpful. I never understood where to compromise for a great [looking] IV vs the final/max CP
Im glad you made a video about this. A lot of creators, even in the pvp scene, don't bring up the importance of breakpoints or even winning cmp ties when it comes to IVs so this is a pretty necessary video.
One tip I will give is that at the bottom of the list of pokemon on the right side, you can select to maximize the stat product (IVs) of all the pokemon you are simulating against. That will give you more common breakpoints that your pokemon might hit
Ty for the info
Breakpoints seem more niche and only useful in specific matchups where as bulk is always useful regardless of the matchups. Unless your an ultra tier sweat doesn’t seem like it’s worth it.
yeah, dont even know ur opponents setup. id rather have consistent bulk than a random chance to hit harder
It will always be situational and depends on what people actually think when doing their plays.
For example going for what you said, which is pretty general (don't take it negatively) for the active pvp player, you can easily assume that every top meta community day pokemon that you will find in pvp will be at least top 50-70 rank. Easy example: walrein. If you want to be ahead of the curve, you'll want a walrein which will have an atk stat which can beat cmp on those rank 50-70 or better walreins. Having a rank 1 walrein will actually do more harm than good since a meta around walreins, if you face an opponent walrein you either switch or lose lead and those could be common occurences. By having a rank 150 or even a rank 200 you put yourself in a situation that you'll be able to beat the general active playerbase that thinks "bulk = better", which isn't a wrong mentality, mind you, but easily exploitable.
This babbling i did actually doesn't mention bulk or breakpoints now that i read it a second time, but ill leave it as food for thought and give you another example which i use: medicham. I'm using an xl one but rank 80 or smth. It loses like 3 or 4 hp and some def, who could make some difference on some matchups (when 3-4 hp could make a difference but they are rare), however i get to have a breakpoint vs skarmories who have lower def than normal (even if they have good rank). in a straightup battle like you usually see on pvpoke, my medicham still loses that fight with or without the breakpoint, however the difference of hp left on skarmory goes from "safe matchup" to "almost lost it". This means in certain situations, i can actually come with my medicham and actually get wins or farm advantage because of how punishing counter can be.
This is stuff which obviously is situatinal, but its up to you to understand if you rather have absolute bulk and be predictable to homever may be tryharding the game, or try to fish some matchups who depending on the meta may or may not payoff. Or just watch swagtips and he'll do it for you ;)
@@thefaller01 exactly, ur assuming they have a rank 50-70 and ur 200 will have advantage. so you make decisions based on that, but then they also have a rank 200 it changes. ig its statistically more likely that people choose top ranked mons and over the long term you would have an edge.
the general bulky mon would also work in different metas. but ig if ur loaded with dust and want top legend everytime break out the microscope lol
@@thefaller01 I'm just here for the legendary encounters but if you're going for legend and seeing the same 5 teams time after time I see how it could be worth looking into I suppose.
Breakpoints mostly matter for important mirrors. Sometimes it's worth building a secondary version of a cheap Pokemon like Machamp or g stunfisk as a way to guarantee the mirror or a specific counter.
Thanks for the help
heck yeah id dig more tips explained in more detail :@)
I asked this during one of the live chats but I'm sure it was missed. Can you use your poke storage techniques to screen on break/bulk points instead of level 1 pvpoke? I'm a firm convert to b/b points and now it's getting hard to clear out my Pokemon again.
You having an ad for planet fitness on your browser while I'm watching this on the treadmill at planet fitness is wild...
Swag tips-- highly recommended
Yup, we want more of these
Yes please, more videos
the biggest reason i can see going for bulk points over break points is its the information you hold. I can know if i have the bulk that i can assure myself i have the bulk point i want generally , meanwhile if i run the risk of high attack break points then i could be vs something with higher def then expected, in the sable example it assumes the lapras your fighting is using optimal iv, if someones using a lapras with some attack IV then you just got played and will end up losing the match up. Very few pokemon do i think this would be valid for is like defence deoxys, its defence is so absurdly high that losing 6-7 def for some more attack works wonders but for many pokemon the risk of losing 20-30 more matchups to win 7-8 more is just not worth it
plus i think shadows are a better option for this idea of beating breakpoints which leads to spice picks that honestly sometimes perform better (machamp)
THANKS DAXI
Just to be clear this breakpoint bulk point concept is only applicable to single matchups? So if I want to gfisk killer in a single Mon, I'm looking for the recommended iv set?
Even though it is a very interesting topic having to do all this resesearch manually is very time and energy consuming. There should be an app or website (like stadium) in which whenever you put the IVs of your pokemon it should tell you what breakpoints/bulkpoints are available for that IV set.
I think there might be. I'll investigate
Ah, rocket science🚀🤯
You can either take the "Stat Product" or "Breakpoint/Bulkpoint" approach to keeping certain PvP IVs. Stat Product basically ensures the most bulk where you can cover your bases to best average performance across all matchups. Breakpoint/Bulkpoint is for specific matchups and mirror match. Personally, I always try to have one of each mon as close to rank 1 as possible. Then I will have backup IV distributions, on popular meta mons, for specific matchups depending on how common certain mons are in specific metas. Rank 1 may be best in ope format, but attack weighted may be best in restricted formats.
I barely memorized which types are effective against the others, this is too deep. I'll leave it to the tryhards and try to get my #1 ranks to win 3/5 in battles. But at least I learned something useful.
Make one now for raids, DPS or DPS/TDO, which is better hehehehe
Definitely a interesting concept ill investigate!
I've given up on trying to find ideal IVs for Battle League lol. I just go by who I can power up closest to the CP cutoff.
maybe break point and bulk point options should be a quick option in pvpoke. maybe start ranking pokemon based on their break points?
So good
Please make one more video , a based on all league
Top 10 Pokemon each and where they find or they will come return after alola event , i mean i want frokies to evolve my frogdier into greyninja but i couldn't find any were .... So please a video ..
I think generally speaking, a good rule of thumb is to always aim to get as close to the CP cap as possible, and aim for pvp ivs.
I just began to get more into PVP for about a month so far and now i can say that I now fully understand how it works. As having a 0 attack iv with 15 in both attack and stanima, would make that mon at a higher lvl at 1500 or 2500 vs one thats a hundo, since the lack of attavk woulf require more lvl ups to get to 1500 and or 2500, thus the higher lvl and defenses, overall makes that pokemon much bulkier and better. I also have pokegenie ans just realised i had a shadow salamence amd tyranitar that were perfect for great league as pokegenie said that they was 99. something% in rank meaning there woulf be only a less than a 1% chance to find the same one with same ivs. My shadow salemence has 4, 15, 15 and powered up to cp 1495 and tyranotar is about 0, 13, 13 and powered up to cp 1486. Both were 99% in rank as stated in pokegenie. One excpetion that i see to the 0 attack is my 2 talonflames from comday. One is 14,15,14 and the other is 14,14,15, both are 96% almost the same just very small in difference, as one reaches 1499 and the other reaches 1500 for great league. However today I found out that they are both most ideal for ultra league and both are most optimal at 99% something in rank. This is because talonflame reaches close to 2500 when maxed out at lvl 50, and because they would have to be maxed out for ultra league, this is how i can see the 0 attack would not be ideal since obvioulsy being maxxed out makes the most of them and i beilbe the most ideal would be a hundo talonflame. Which is makes sense as master league mons 0 attack is not ideal.
Yep. I got me a hundo rowlet yesterday. Never been so disappointed since I got a hundo shedinja 🙄 Now, if Niantic decide to up the cp for decidueye to make it viable for the master league, I’ll be happy 😆
What about perfect Pokemon or close to perfect? Do they get both break and bulk points ?
Wow. So my shiny sunglasses blastoise is 15/3/1, and I have always been kinda upset bc it’s basically the opposite of “pvp IVs” but now I’m very happy to hear this about attack weight considering water gun is a 1 turn fast move.
nice
You'd have a look at it specifically. Usually breakpoints you don't need 15 attack. Usually just a couple more attack stats is good enough to hit breakpoints. At that point your sacrificing too much bulk
Breakpoints are generally not too common to recommend a 15 attack stat with no bulk. I'd still recommend that you stick to a higher stat product blastoise.
Pretty sure you read the matchups wrong in the breakpoints vs pvp IVS between Sableye and Lapras. On Pvpoke, the white star indicates a win for the Pokémon in the row, not the column. So at 12:38, the more attack weighted Sable will win, and that’s generally the case for higher damage fast moves in more shield scenarios. A Pokémon with less bulk in 0 shield scenarios will perform worse because it can’t take charged moves as well.
More video about this topic
Hi Poké Daxi
I just want a fully detailed video on Melmetal and mystery box.
I need it pls
Why is this video unlisted? It was pretty helpful for me! I now know what Break Points are and how to use pvpoke to further research it myself
Tho I guess the inverted thing could be confusing, but I still understood the video 👍😄
This was posted 2 minutes ago but 2 WEEKS!?
@@eddieeeok For members
To help new players and teach others to learn more about it
@@thirupathipanaganti7300 I’m not a member but I was still able to see it
I actually know this and use the matrix. I don't know the breakpoint discovery, but I do compare the IV spread effects.
I didn't see the breakpoint button.
W video
Hey man how’s it going. Just had a question if you wouldn’t mind answering it. Is it worth investing in a shadow Charizard with 4/15/15 ivs? Currently he’s a shadow chameleon…wanted to double check before I spend stardust on him
Not terrible for PvP you could. But I think better off investing in something else
Do u know any websites where to find the best teams bc I have a few teams for ul and gl and idk if they're the best picks
PvPoke
Does Poke Genies IV rating for PvP do this break point work for you?
Is 1/15/15 jangmo good for PvP?
So basically break points are important for bulky closers pokemons like Azu or Regi and for glassy leading pokemons in 2 shields situacion are PVP IVs the best?
This info is all well and good. But you cant IV train in go. So outside of just grinding and grinding how can you get a pokemon with the perfect iv break point? Surely its just random? I get it if your going for worlds or too rank league but so much effort and grind for something you could never find due to rng?
If this was vgc training ivs is easy.
I mean to ask, you cant make any of this happen right? You just finding out what the iv spread you want is, then just pray and hope you find one within the year?
I cannot find the answer to this.
Should you use PVP IVs for Gym Defending Pokémon?
As in a Pokémon you place in a gym?
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This video goes out for all those matches where I lost to a 1HP pokemon.
HP is REALLY confusing in pokon go, I really wish there was an "effective health" translation. My level 47 chancy has more health than any other pokemon in my collection! Does that mean it can tank the Master League? Hell no.
What's this "sheild" that keeps popping up in the video?
You should slow down just a tad on your vocals, around 9:00 you start talking VERY FAST and it gets kinda hard to hear your actual words.
Now before people start TRASHING ME in the comments or telling me "well then go watch somebody else, daxi is the BEST...Blag, blah, blah, .... I'm not dogging on your videos AT ALL, in general you are ONE of THE MOST HELPFUL and informative POKE- TH-camrs around if not THE MOST 💯
But I had to rewind and re listen to that part about 5 or 6 times to hear what you were trying to say so I'm just trying to offer some constructive criticism. That's all! And LOVE that you time stamp things so THOROUGHLY!!
Finish seeing. Understand everything
This is best for things like Obstagoon
It’s seems way too specific to hope you get the matchup in gbl that you set it all up for. I think my biggest takeaway is that you don’t have to worry about finding the perfect 0/15/15 so much since a little extra attack may end up rounding up a damage point sometimes. Interesting to understand the mechanics though, like seeing these types of videos.
Well in generally there is one attack stat that hits mutliple mons. Say you need a attack of 121 for drapion, attack of 119 for azu, attack of 115 for deoxys & attack of 122 for jellicent breakpoints. Just make sure you hit a attack of 122 and you hit them all.
I guess that simplifies it a bit since it works against multiple common matchups. The rank 1 pvp ivs and breakpoint ivs would be good additions to spotlight and comm day videos so people have something else they know to hunt for, like when you list the hundo cp. I have an iPhone so the poke genie scanner doesn’t really work for me to sort thru all my pvp ivs.
All this research, grind and whatnot sounds good on a paper, but then we still lose 50% of games due to lag and other bugs within the pvp mechanics :D
Hopefully they fix that this season
In poke genie it shows what pvp rank the pokemon is. Sometimes it will say they rank 10 or higher something like that, but their ivs will be high like 15,14,15. Does poke genie not know the pvp strat or can i always trust poke genie with its pvp ranking. Someone please help me with this.
Dax I've an idea why not make a video on all the breakpoint pvp ivs for master league legendary mons I think it'd a nice idea and will help people know which legendary mons to power up knowing the breakpoint ivs of legendary will help trainers choose which iv mons to power up for ML and that you don't only need hundo for ML functional hundos work as well like for dialga its 15/14+/12+.
Hundos are still better than the functional hundo because of winning cmp ties or am i wrong? Please explain why because if a functional hundo is as good as a hundo ill just power up some of my 96 percent legendaries
@@kruidenmix9762 i know hundos are better but most people can’t get them that’s why it’d be better if people knew about breakpoints of mons in master league and functional hundo ivs
In ML its always better to aim for hundo stats because its the maximum limit for a pokemon's potential, breakpoints are for mons that has almost hundo stats.
Better yet, breakpoints are best applicable with other leagues because it can fluctuate the final overall performance of certain pokemon's against the more meta or known stats
@@kruidenmix9762 read my other reply so you can understand whats being addressed in the video
Its master league bro you always want the hundos there's no tricks in that league its pretty straight forward
Everyone suggest to use Dragon Breath as a Fast Move for Dragonite in PvP. But if we look at that EPS and DPS of Dragonite, it's clear that Dragon Tail is Much better choice than Dragon Breath, it Delivers more damage and produces 0.2 more eps than D. Breath. What do you suggest? For PvP..
What i like about dragon breath is the fastness of the move itself. It offers maneuverability, gives you more time to respond and makes moves harder to catch for the opponent
Both are good. Dragon tail might be slightly better but also dragon breath being a 1 turn move allows you move around quicker and get stuck less in fast moves
@ Thnx a lot.🙋♂️
There is also this bug where you can K.O. a pokemon with a loaded move with a 1 turn fastmove like DB before it can throw it's move. But when all lags should be gone dragon tail is the way to go
I think if you're playing at a lower ranking, people may not time their fast moves properly which lets you sneak moves in really easily. An entire dragon tail snuck in is a ton of value compared to just one dragon breath. I think in that situation dragon tail is the way to go, but I generally prefer dragon breath.
This video seemed a little confusing. I understood it, but if you’re sacrificing bulk to do one more damage per attack, won’t you be sacrificing too much bulk for the recommended IVs?
It's a tough concept cause its so case by case. In some scenarios yes having the bulk in general is better. But in some scenarios no you want the damage as it wins you more matchups
If my pokemon IV has 14 atk 14 def but like 5 hp , does that effect like they faint weaker or take more damage ?
If you are using them in anything other than Master League, yes.
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*You know... Am something if a scientist my self*
Are you saying pvpoke doesn't take into account breakpoints?
Then I should look for better Pokemon for PvP and transfer my hardly earned and powered up rank 1 mons???? How tiresome to search again for PvP Pokemon and grant them the legacy or comday moves.
What about the XL Great League ones like Bastiodon and Ultra League hundos as Galarian Stunfisk and Mandibuzz??? Plz tell me
What website shows the best pvp IV?
Gotta find out what is my Shundo Zekrom break point lol
I have a 0 15 15 shadow venomoth
My brain has stopped working
Great video for the .1%
seems way to niche to actually be useful long term compared to the bulk you get out of perfect iv's
Hey dax your flygon catch on my house🤣
Dax you gotta answer this with a video do buying coins increase your chance of landing shinies I been playing 8 months first 2 months very few 3 months of buying coins literally shinies daily and the following 2 months of not purchasing items and coins nothing for weeks coincidence or bad luck or maybe a method to the madness help !!!!!!
So sable he does extra damage but loses? So what’s the point?
In regard to Swagtips..."Swagtips" is supposed to be whispered when spoken. ;)
Hey dax what do you think the shiny odds is on rockruff
1/64 or full ods I'm not sure 🤔
I don't think even silph road has that data yet. The queue times for it are ridiculous since everyone is hunting the shiny. Niantic shouldn't drop a new pokemon that's shiny unlocked as a 1 star almost exclusively. It'd been better if it spawned in the wild.
Even though we have a breakpoint or a bulk point we always end up with a match up which will be hard to counter😂😂
Yeah at the end of the end the algorithm decides how far you go in this game
@@TheTruth51517 I know right
You guys don’t complicate your life, I’m a 6 or 7 on a scale of 10 on pvp skills, I’m hitting legend constantly since season 7 with PvP IVs Pokémons , this Perfect IVs he’s talking about are good but they only come in clutch on very specific match ups when you win or lose by a couple of points of HP
I put three 0 iv pokes against three 100 perfect pokes with the same moves. There wasn't a difference at all. Makes me wonder if the stats really matter or if zeros are glitched.
Mirror matches aren't really a good way to test it cos in league battles everyone will be trying to run hard counters. But if you do end up in a mirror match your always better off with the breakpoint IVs as the Mon with the higher attack IV will always fire it off first... Unless there's a lag issue which then its coin flip lol
@@pokemongoalt2248 It was exactly the same every time when I tested it.
@@pokemongoalt2248 but only when 0 and 100s faced off. Stats in the middle worked as normal.
@@pokemongoalt2248 I tore through teams of 84-98% with my 0ivs. They were extremely overpowered for some reason.