Chris, the consumption (24 kWh/100km) is not bad at all looking at the average speed, winter tires, no heat pump, and somewhat cold dense fog, the latter of which increases drag hugely because of all the water droplets in the air. Don't be disappointed, I think the results are good for a large car as the ID.7 given the shitty conditions.
@@BokiXI That is 60-70kWh/100km. And likely the same amount of energy went into producing that Diesel in the first place. Anyhow... Result could be a bit better, but the conditions are pretty bad. Lowest temperature of all tested cars, highest avg., heating to 23°C. Maybe a heat pump + 90kWh would improve it a little.. But that is not really a bad result, IMO. A Passat would not cosume more than 6-7l of diesel in these conditions.
Looking at your table at the end...I think going nearly 40km further than an Enyaq with the same battery even though it was 6-7C colder is actually pretty good. Definitely doma re test when you have more comparable conditions to those other cars.
From 130 - 110 is a significant difference yet the most overwhelming drag occurs after 90km/h. The problem is that drag is not linear. It drastically increase as the factor of drag overcomes the factor of rolling resistance.
@@williwerbung5203Not with Tesla. Teslas fastest speed is around 150km/h in summer(with charge) and 130km/h in Winter. You have the wrong "EV" if you think driving below 130km/h is overall better.
Happy holidays Chris! You’re getting about the same as I’m getting with my Mach e LFP battery at 117km/hr. Avg and my driving mode was in Engage. I didn’t have it in whisper (eco) . Same weather but windy. Can’t get away from the wind in the prairies. Skol!
Please do more 130 km/h range tests in different cars from 100 % battery to as little as possible, on one charge, under different weather conditions. Great video :)
Please do a run on summer tires when summer comes and the temperature is a bit higher. Would be interested to see if it can come closer to the claimed range of 600+.
I have an Audi Q4 and get my car January this year. The comsumption and charging speed was bad. Then I drive from battery level 90% to 5-6%, charged it up to 90% again and drive to 5-6% and charged it again to 90%. After that the consumption and charging speed was much better. I often take my battery down to ca 10% and than charg the battery to 80%. I think the battery become better. It is not good for the battery to stay around 70-80% all the time.
TBTP @ 120km/h; Model Y LR= 214Wh/km (5°C) Model S Palladium = 215Wh/km (7°C) Model S Plaid = 235Wh/km (6°C) Dual/trippel motor but these cars have winter pump as standard, so consumption looks fine to me. The Fog won't help the range either.
Funny i was looking up the numbers as well😂 and i also did a Simulation with ABRP to get a feeling mybe he has to do this as well putting the nubers in context.
Kris Rifa recently did a 120 km/h test of the BMW i4. 120 km/h cruise. 216 wh/km at minimum of - 7 (yes minus) celsius with wet roads. Which also shows that ID7 might be inefficient.
If the PTC uses 2kW, let's say the heat pump uses 900W, 1kW difference. On a 3 hour drive that is about 3kWh difference at 24kWh consumption that is 100/8 or about 12km. So, no...
It would be interesting to know what happened to the battery temperature during the test. How much did it cool down and what temperature software 4.0 try to maintain for efficient consumption? I have an Enyaq and the software 3.0 only heats the battery to 0C.
Unfortunately, id.7 is a bit disappointing, especially since it has a very high price and still does not have a heat pump as standard equipment. In China, the car has half the price compared to Europe, and yet it only has 300 orders in 3 days from the opening of the orders.
Please let us in in the secret if how you get the number of orders of a vehicle. You must have secret access to the db at VW. If you do, you will now be fired.
@@jellyd4889 You can read this officially in the news "Volkswagen ID.7 received 300 orders in 72 hours following the launch in China". VW will have a hard time staying in the market
Where has the BMW iX3 gone in your spreadsheet? It is still quite amazing to see how good the iX3 is compared to brand new EV´s which are build only as EV´s whereas BMW is going for a one body style for all drivelines. I seem to remember the iX3 performing quite well in your 130 km/t test = 330 km/t or something like that. Your test persuaded me to buy an iX3 and it is the best car I have ever owned 🙂
In the UK it was tested along with the BYD Seal and Tesla Model 3 Highland, the ID.7 came out last in efficiency and in the choice by all 3 journalists. Model 3 was first and Seal was 2nd. YOu forgot to say it's 2.0kWh/h in usual lunacy method that VW has done since start of their EV beginnings that is across all their brands. You'll have to do a summer range test in 25-30 degree temps Chris to find out difference. But yes the heatpump you didn't option would have given you more range. My next EV, 2024 Kona EV, comes with it as standard equipment.
240Wh/km is quite good. At this conditions and speed Kona would consume around 220-230. This range is really not a big deal with quite dense charging network
For instance my model 3 Performance, 4 winter tyres (20"), 5°C, consumption at 140km/h is between 21 and 22kWh/h. 520cv, awd. Not sure this ID7 consumption is really good but something unknown here is the front wind level that can significantly impact the efficiency. According to my 10 years of experience with EV’s, wind is the worst case for consumption. Cold during long trips is not really impacting efficiency because the battery will heat during driving.
I think they meant the steering wheel, the feedback from the steering wheel buttons in my ID3 is instant too, as you didnt have travel assist in walter it likely didnt have the capacitive steering wheel@@BatteryLife
When you do this test with summer tires & in warmer weather that 2kWh HVAC usage will add 16km to your range. You might get that 330km you seek, but my view is you will top out at 320km range on that 130km/h test route in your Executive Taxi.
@@marcusbiller867 Model S with the same price as the ID.7 has a bigger battery ? What market is it in ? Because in Germany, definitely not. The base price of the S is €95,000 and the ID.7 €57,000 in the German market.
@@marcusbiller867 New Highland LR got 550kms on 110kmh test - I do not think going 130kms would bring it below 450. Difference in consumption between 110 and 130 in my SR is not that big.
If it was a cold morning, it used quite a lot energy the first few minutes for heating. 25kwh after getting ward is pretty high consumption though. I have averaged 18.5 over the winter in Tesla 3 SR and that includes heating for the first kms of each trip.
Mmhhh im my view good result. 130 average km/h is very high (on german Autobahn too!) and cold weather. EPA, WLTP etc are much lower speed. The energyconsumtion increasing by the square! The difference from average 110 (fast) to 130 (very fast) is huge!
das bedeutet gemittelt und grob aber auch ideal (M nach HH) mindestens 3 mal laden, also 4x2 Stunden (Schnitt maximal 110) + 3 mal 30 Minuten laden also 9,5 Stunden. Ich fahre elektrisch schon länger!
in a range focused expensive car it seems like an important thing to not tick. His own mistake if you ask me. But more so VW's dumb move to not include it. Even stingy companies like BMW give it standard on cars like i4. Many reviewers now getting id7 with no heat pump getting poor range as well..
Circa €1000 extra, as far as I remember from earlier videos. Standard from several other brands on cars at this price level, but that's VW for you. I'm just amazed he got a steering wheel..
@@BatteryLife Ehrlich? That makes it even worse. I thought it was your decision, not VW's. They really need to get their act together with EVs. They were so good at it with ice cars, we could have expected the same with the next phase. Enjoy your ID.7 and I certainly enjoy your updates and reports. Living in a milder climate, I shiver sometimes but that is also part of the experience. MFG and all the best for Christmas and the New Year.
What did I miss? The highway is completely empty with very few cars but at the Gas station they are queuing for fuel? Where does all the cars come from all of a sudden? 😮
Yeah, i think these numbers are not too shiny, especially if you compare to VW ID.5 Pro or Audi Q4 etron or even VW Id.3 Pro. I guess they are with the older motor and stuff. Even the weather is colder on this test, there should be a leap forward with better motor, optimized battery, optimal shape for great cw value, still i don't see the result. It is in the middle group, and this is a brand new model, how it is going to keep the pace in 2-3 years from now? hmm.....
A very good ride! Just a bit disappointing that you are getting almost the same range as an Ev6, that has only 74kwh of capacity. VW is getting better btw, and the computer has been largerly improved. Snappier and many new fonctionalities.
@@BatteryLife ok but the usable energy is 3kwh lower in an Ev6. Id7 has about 12 km more range due to the size of the battery. The better cx (0,23 vs 0,28) should help the car to drive further. I does'nt so much. If you compare it to a Ioniq 6 that has 74 kwh too, for the moment Hyundai/Kia drive train is a bit better. As an early owner, I bet that VW updates should improve heat management. 2kw is a lot, even without heatpump. I was an early Ev6 owner too and Kia did improve the heater management, even for PTC only cars. Tschuss !
In WhatCar? comparison test, a base Model 3 managed to beat ID7 in real world range. M3 is a bit smaller, but the test shows how ID7 underperforms in efficiency. In the end, that makes it more expensive to run.
@@christianolsen9781 yeah I mean it's never clear from manufacturers what's the actual range at various speeds and temperatures with highway driving....but u can find it online
Well I can share from Highland SR. Got it late October and have driven it 4.500kms. Super efficient even at speeds with an average of 18.5kwh/100. My daily commute is 80% motorway at 130. It will average around 19.5 before I leave the motorway and drops to the 18.5 when I hit the office. It does use some energy to heat up the car at the start, so longer trips would bring the average down. Expect the LR to use a bit more energy but it will definitely be better than the ID7.
An interesting test, and similar to a drive I did a couple of weeks ago in my Genesis Electrified G80 which has an 87.7 KWh battery with about 82 usable. I made reference I think to my journey on a previous comment after your collection video. Travelling from Paris to Calais (Eurotunnel terminal) in similar if a little colder conditions at 130kmh, over some 300 km's I was averaging pretty much the same as you - 2.5 miles per kWh (Our English calculation!). Although I did have battery preconditioning switched on, which of course effects range. At the time I put a lot of it down to the higher European speed limit, however after a drive around Central London on Saturday, where thanks to the absolutely mind blowinlgly awful traffic (late on a Saturday night its far worse than in the day) coupled with major road closures meant the drive home - 14 miles took some two hours😮, with some 45 mins spent stationery (with heater, lights, A/C cycling on and off, and Stereo) I achieved at an average speed of 12mph still only around 2.6 miles per kWh, although the temperature was a lot higher at around 8-10 deg C. The take from all of this, in the Summer 3 to 3.5 miles perkWh was the normal with a total range from 80-15% of about 210 - 230 miles, or from100% possibly achieving a magical 300 miles! As I said I am probably repeating my previous comment, but your video was a useful comparison with my experience. BTW like you with the VW travel assist I also always use the Genesis HMG equivalent HDA2 which sounds very similar with lane change assist and machine learning etc!
Enjoy the car! It is great 👍 The consumption is what I aspect for the weather conditions and speed... More or less like "all" electric cars. At least the honest ones 😎 hehehe In the combustion cars the drivers enjoyed the cars as a whole and not just one thing: consumption 😜 Have fun please!
You go one way, and back the opposite way and then average everything up. When I recently started a journey it was up the mountains in -4c . The views were breathtaking but the consumption bad
0:32 I charge to 100 % because my battery is small, kWh average cost goes down the more I charge and I have to go uphills back home that can drain 3 % already with no home charge ability. 🤷
Soon when the EV will be cheap enough, all this madness with 21 vs 24 kWh/100 km consumption will be history. People will appreciate the feedback from the car more than a couple of kWh. This will be the main focus. Maybe other things also. Just like for ICE, the VW was not the most economic compared with french and italian brands but still one of the most appreciated regarding the driving feedback.
I have to disappoint you, you can''t defeat physics. The only way to bring consumption down is lowering speed, lower cx and rolling resistance of the tires. For an average car, the calculated energy consumption is about 23 kwh/100km, independent of the technology that is used to drive the car.
Alright and how about co2 emissions with this high consumption. if i look at the co2 per kwh, losses in the network and production of natural gas, coals and renewable energy, for the netherlands where i am located its well above 400 grams per kwh.. if you look at new engines like for instance 2.0 tdi evo its much more clear what the co2 Emissions are. Also battery is large which means a lot of carbon pollution.. and will it last more than 10years..
@@davidhelfrich7150 Yes, wheels and tyres are staggered, as it is RWD with lots of torque: Front 235/50 R19 Rear 255/45 R19 See the table at 15:28 in the video.
14:29 59 Cent?!? At 24 kWh consumption, this is 14,16 € / 100 km. Before I pay such a cracy price, I would hang in the wind shadow of a truck to avoid a charging stop. At home, only electricity providers with spot market prices are good.
@BatteryLife It's set at 23 degrees, but what temperature is it actually? My Tesla feels warmer when set to 18,5 degrees than my Zoe feels when set to 21. 😂
@@maxs3153 Ok, I never had one. :) It just struck me that every test checks speed with GPS speed and also any error on the odometer is taken into account. But I never saw anyone actually setting the temperature according to a thermometer, just set the ACC temp.
call me crazy. I'm really grateful for the video and without any judgement, but how can one buy such a car? i would be very anxious all the time with this limited range... especially for the money given, that is still a lot compared to ICE ones. it all seems an experiment on our own money. I know this is a test and I really appreciate it but i mean even in this video, he is wearing his jacket inside the car just to get higher range. passenger side is not even in. and even that reflects in a very poor 300 kmish range. am I crazy? am I the only one thinking this EV are not yet worth our money yet but we all buy them blindly because they are just shove in our eyes? I mean we try to please the car and chase that better range instead of the car making us happy and be useful for us. For me it seems to defeat the point of buying a car. Thanks for the helpful video!
Unfortunately only Tesla gives an attractive alternative to ICE primarily due to their low cost chargung network. If one has to use Ionity for 70c-1eur/kwh is pointless. I'm about to change my leasing plugin next year and will probably go for a 530d or E400d.
Normal electronics in these cars are still using the 12 v battery. Heating from fans using car battery. 12 v battery fail the most common cause for towing these ev:s Heating the seats and steering wheel drains 12 v.
next year it gets a slightly bigger battery. VW is not very good with batteries. let's see if they can pull off the LFP manufacturing at low cost. But that is for the low end like ID.2/3. but they also need better batteries for the longer range versions (ID.4/5/7/Buzz). i think this is where BMW and Mercedes have better cards in their hands.
Foggy, so air is denser and more resistance than normal Heating on 23 with a big jacket on , why? 1 degree You are being a tad unfair on it. A far from ideal comparison Chris?
@@garysmith5025The difference is usually no where near 35% as studies show only a slight decrease in density in humid air as water vapour is lighter than oxygen and nitrogen but that is in warm air. In cold wet air it’s different and the air may be denser than warm dry air. It depends on temperature and pressure as well as humidity.
VW’s electric motors still don’t seem to be as great as they could be, and the AWD models are apparently using off the shelf components from Magna. From what I have been able to research, it appears VW didn’t bother to fit a front motor disconnect unit like Hyundai/Kia/Genesis (and now Mercedes-Benz is using on 2024MY EQE/EQS) on their AWD EV models either. I was expecting well over 200 miles of range in this test. The results are disappointing.
Tesla Model 3 Highland is much better value for the money and technically more rounded too! Anyhow, your results are to be expected. 240 Wh/km is not terrible with such high speed.
The Tesla Model 3 is a much smaller, less luxurious car, This is the size of a model S. Model 3 doesn't have HUD, matrix headlights, massage seats, Android Auto or carplay. Plus Tesals legendary quality based on making cars as cheaply as possible provided issues don't happen during the warranty period.
That's the dilemma I have...base id.7 is not much more expensive, but has a hatch and more room. Not to forget stalks. 240 Wh/km is good for such a practical car in these conditions. I'm waiting for the big battery
@@simondehaas8784 much smaller? In what way? You have WAY more storage capacity in the model 3, 680L vs 580L? in the id7, which may be a huge car, but doesn't even have a frunk. So Id7 is much slower, charges slower, has less storage capacity and is less efficient.
The id7 looks pretty inefficient compared to the other non-Tesla brands, like Ford Mustang or Kia eniro. Just curious - why did you for the VW? Why not get a Kia EV6?
It's going to really depend on the outside temperature. You still need to have a backup heater for a heat pump since a heat pump generally needs to be tuned to work efficiently in a specific temperature range. As an example, the one on my house is only rated down to -25C and then barely outputs much heat. The heat pump in the Outlander PHEV doesn't seem to work anywhere near that low since it isn't a specific cold climate heat pump design so it has to run the engine for waste heat. Having different models for different climates would be terrible for customers and expensive to design. Having just one has to make tradeoffs between working well in the Texas Sun in summer and working well in the Michigan winters.
Yes it depends on how cold it gets and how the car is designed. If the car is able to use waste heat from battery, cabin and motors (or use motors as ptc heaters) and shuffle it around then altogether with heat pump can create efficient system that will positively impact range.@@Snerdles
At the end of the day, bigger car + bigger battery equals higher cost to run.All these tests only prove that.more money you spend nice interior's is all you get.You only want to drive the Carnot live in.Give me a MG4 all day.
Road noise is a dealbreaker, range vs what he put it through is a deal break. Can just as well keep the enyaq instead of cashing out so much for the same mediocre performance. If the noise lvl was better and more range then it was a no brainer. Thank you for the honest review.
Do you know what 130 KM are. I could walk or bicycle that short of a distance. Who would want to pay good money for an EV that only travels that distance? My Chevy Bolt can travel about 200 miles in the Winter on an 85% charge!
It is bad for an ID7 that claims it can run 618 km per charge, but the WLTP test is without heat and aircon on, but then you can see electric cars eat power with heat on
It's a workable range , but after 3 or 4 years and after battery degradation , it will be a bit low. If it was 500km and you knew you would lose a few km over time then ok. 260 and you know it could be 180 in 4 years...tough to accept.
The only thing I commend VW for is launching an actual car that's not an SUV. Everything else about this car (as with most of the other ID's) is expensive junk.
I drove now 7 times with my ID4 from BY to Spain. My first stop is Ionity Mahlberg....310km...summer rest SOC 6%.....winter rest SOC 3% (0°to -2°)...no heat pump, 130km/h....comfort mode....21°C....always fully loaded 450-500kg.... Yes ID7 is disapointing.....
Most time on german Autobahn my average speed over long haul trips is about 95 to 110 km/h because of parts with traffic and construction sites. When it is free i drive about 130 or 140, short parts with max speed. This high average speed isn't possible that often but good to know how the results are. I think it has a good range compared to my Enyaq with same battery and Me3.0
@@BatteryLife Ok, I learned now: carscanner records AVG: 114 km/h. Well its always a midnight start....no lorries, no traffic jam...A8 is free... the Stuttgart 120km/h zones, Aichelberg 100km/h, the eternal 80km/h Pforzheim construction site....at the end from the Baden-Baden unlimited zone its rather a final 160km/h run (cause non-preconditioner)...doubt if you can make it with 126km/h average.;-) The total of 1630km in winter were done with AVG 111 km/h (picture available;-)
Thought VW was going to hit back at the upstarts frim China & Tesla with this ID7 but it doesn't look like it based on the early reviews. Stellantis are carrying the Legacy flag once the e 3008 comes on stream.
This is incredibly disappointing, early reviews said something around 19. This sucks for highway travel... So much for "redesigned and more efficient powertrain"
That is disappointing The MY SR can achieve 300 with 60kwh battery The ID.7 should be better because of better aerodynamics and bigger battery The result is very strange
Chris, the consumption (24 kWh/100km) is not bad at all looking at the average speed, winter tires, no heat pump, and somewhat cold dense fog, the latter of which increases drag hugely because of all the water droplets in the air. Don't be disappointed, I think the results are good for a large car as the ID.7 given the shitty conditions.
A Passat would not cosume more than 6-7l of diesel in these conditions.
GOOD? Let me remind you that VW market this car as 700km EV ,and you got 300 km from 700km EV and for you that is good?
130kmh and calling this dissapointing in those conditions is a bit hilarious
@@BokiXI That is 60-70kWh/100km. And likely the same amount of energy went into producing that Diesel in the first place. Anyhow... Result could be a bit better, but the conditions are pretty bad. Lowest temperature of all tested cars, highest avg., heating to 23°C. Maybe a heat pump + 90kWh would improve it a little.. But that is not really a bad result, IMO. A Passat would not cosume more than 6-7l of diesel in these conditions.
@@BokiXIhaha and that 6-7liter will cost the same as Full charged ID7
Looking at your table at the end...I think going nearly 40km further than an Enyaq with the same battery even though it was 6-7C colder is actually pretty good. Definitely doma re test when you have more comparable conditions to those other cars.
My favorite part of this review is that you are listening Paradise Lost’s Icon ❤
Stunning car , we’re still enjoying our id.3 after 2 years of our lease. The id.7 looks fantastic inside.
Pity it’s a poor car in terms of performance per kw
From 130 - 110 is a significant difference yet the most overwhelming drag occurs after 90km/h. The problem is that drag is not linear. It drastically increase as the factor of drag overcomes the factor of rolling resistance.
Yes, I think you should have made the test at 110, closer to the 70mph the Americans use for their range tests.
Also the wind directions can further increase drag, from either the side or front massively effects consumption!
Driving any EV at 130 doesn't make sense. What you gain on the road you lose to more frequent charging.
@@williwerbung5203Not with Tesla. Teslas fastest speed is around 150km/h in summer(with charge) and 130km/h in Winter. You have the wrong "EV" if you think driving below 130km/h is overall better.
There are more things about EV's that don't make that much sense.
Happy holidays Chris! You’re getting about the same as I’m getting with my Mach e LFP battery at 117km/hr. Avg and my driving mode was in Engage. I didn’t have it in whisper (eco) . Same weather but windy. Can’t get away from the wind in the prairies. Skol!
best Paradise Lost album ever ... ICON
Please do more 130 km/h range tests in different cars from 100 % battery to as little as possible, on one charge, under different weather conditions. Great video :)
I do that with every car I test 😉
Thanks for this. That is a long line for fuel at 13:30
Can't wait the summer test result
Very good winter consumption at that speed! Wow!
Not really..
*lol* that 190 km/h sticker for the winter tyres 🙂
Please do a run on summer tires when summer comes and the temperature is a bit higher. Would be interested to see if it can come closer to the claimed range of 600+.
600 is not on highway with 130 😉
I wonder how do you have your jacket still on even thou you got clima set to 23C.
like in every car at these temps the windows are cold, 23 degrees set, does not mean 23 degrees everywhere in the car, all the time
I drive at around 18°C in id3 with heatpump, still often take the jacket off
I have an Audi Q4 and get my car January this year. The comsumption and charging speed was bad. Then I drive from battery level 90% to 5-6%, charged it up to 90% again and drive to 5-6% and charged it again to 90%. After that the consumption and charging speed was much better. I often take my battery down to ca 10% and than charg the battery to 80%. I think the battery become better. It is not good for the battery to stay around 70-80% all the time.
TBTP @ 120km/h;
Model Y LR= 214Wh/km (5°C)
Model S Palladium = 215Wh/km (7°C)
Model S Plaid = 235Wh/km (6°C)
Dual/trippel motor but these cars have winter pump as standard, so consumption looks fine to me. The Fog won't help the range either.
Nio ET7 at -1 degree 250 wh/km - at 120 km/h, not 130. 😎
Funny i was looking up the numbers as well😂 and i also did a Simulation with ABRP to get a feeling mybe he has to do this as well putting the nubers in context.
The heat pump would've added 12km on this trip, not significant
Kris Rifa recently did a 120 km/h test of the BMW i4. 120 km/h cruise. 216 wh/km at minimum of - 7 (yes minus) celsius with wet roads. Which also shows that ID7 might be inefficient.
@@Astke Average just under 110 km/h and temp range -7 to 2 degrees. 🤷
I think the heat pump would have made a difference of at least 40km, at least on the ID4 it's that number.
No its only 1KW/h less. So maybe 10-15Km.
If the PTC uses 2kW, let's say the heat pump uses 900W, 1kW difference. On a 3 hour drive that is about 3kWh difference at 24kWh consumption that is 100/8 or about 12km. So, no...
It would be interesting to know what happened to the battery temperature during the test. How much did it cool down and what temperature software 4.0 try to maintain for efficient consumption? I have an Enyaq and the software 3.0 only heats the battery to 0C.
Unfortunately, id.7 is a bit disappointing, especially since it has a very high price and still does not have a heat pump as standard equipment. In China, the car has half the price compared to Europe, and yet it only has 300 orders in 3 days from the opening of the orders.
Please let us in in the secret if how you get the number of orders of a vehicle. You must have secret access to the db at VW. If you do, you will now be fired.
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@@jellyd4889 You can read this officially in the news "Volkswagen ID.7 received 300 orders in 72 hours following the launch in China".
VW will have a hard time staying in the market
No heat pump standard? Oh my
24kwh/100km. 1kwh costs about 50 cents. So it is about 12€/100km which is not cheaper than ICE vehicles.😮
Why is the heat pump not serial? I don't understand VW...
Why should it? It costs 1k€.
They are working on an integrated thermal system, but it is not ready yet (just like buttons instead of touch 😋)
@@abraxastulammo9940when? 2035?
Where has the BMW iX3 gone in your spreadsheet? It is still quite amazing to see how good the iX3 is compared to brand new EV´s which are build only as EV´s whereas BMW is going for a one body style for all drivelines. I seem to remember the iX3 performing quite well in your 130 km/t test = 330 km/t or something like that. Your test persuaded me to buy an iX3 and it is the best car I have ever owned 🙂
In the UK it was tested along with the BYD Seal and Tesla Model 3 Highland, the ID.7 came out last in efficiency and in the choice by all 3 journalists. Model 3 was first and Seal was 2nd. YOu forgot to say it's 2.0kWh/h in usual lunacy method that VW has done since start of their EV beginnings that is across all their brands. You'll have to do a summer range test in 25-30 degree temps Chris to find out difference. But yes the heatpump you didn't option would have given you more range. My next EV, 2024 Kona EV, comes with it as standard equipment.
240Wh/km is quite good. At this conditions and speed Kona would consume around 220-230. This range is really not a big deal with quite dense charging network
For instance my model 3 Performance, 4 winter tyres (20"), 5°C, consumption at 140km/h is between 21 and 22kWh/h. 520cv, awd. Not sure this ID7 consumption is really good but something unknown here is the front wind level that can significantly impact the efficiency. According to my 10 years of experience with EV’s, wind is the worst case for consumption. Cold during long trips is not really impacting efficiency because the battery will heat during driving.
@@nanterre38 good for a legacy auto maker. It's hard to beat up Tesla in efficiency.
how can people say rhat it's not a big deal?
I think that the wheel in Walter was different since you did not have TravelAssist. In my ID3 First Max the feedback is instant.
Both cars 19 inch wheels
I think they meant the steering wheel, the feedback from the steering wheel buttons in my ID3 is instant too, as you didnt have travel assist in walter it likely didnt have the capacitive steering wheel@@BatteryLife
When you do this test with summer tires & in warmer weather that 2kWh HVAC usage will add 16km to your range. You might get that 330km you seek, but my view is you will top out at 320km range on that 130km/h test route in your Executive Taxi.
He will def get about 350km in the summer. Problem is a Model 3 will be above 400km, closer to 430km...
@@marcusbiller867 This car is similar in size to the Model S, so why compare it to the smaller Model 3 ?
@@DqtubeModel S will do even more as it has bigger battery and better efficiency. However you put it, it just doesn't cut it
@@marcusbiller867 Model S with the same price as the ID.7 has a bigger battery ? What market is it in ? Because in Germany, definitely not. The base price of the S is €95,000 and the ID.7 €57,000 in the German market.
@@marcusbiller867 New Highland LR got 550kms on 110kmh test - I do not think going 130kms would bring it below 450. Difference in consumption between 110 and 130 in my SR is not that big.
Tested one this morning. Surprised with consomption in the beginning. More then 45 kw/h but after few minutes it goes down to 25 kw/h
If it was a cold morning, it used quite a lot energy the first few minutes for heating. 25kwh after getting ward is pretty high consumption though. I have averaged 18.5 over the winter in Tesla 3 SR and that includes heating for the first kms of each trip.
Mmhhh im my view good result. 130 average km/h is very high (on german Autobahn too!) and cold weather. EPA, WLTP etc are much lower speed. The energyconsumtion increasing by the square! The difference from average 110 (fast) to 130 (very fast) is huge!
Difference in consumption from 110 to 130 is not huge in a Tesla 3. Still getting sub 20kwh/100kms doing 130 in sub-zero.
das bedeutet gemittelt und grob aber auch ideal (M nach HH) mindestens 3 mal laden, also 4x2 Stunden (Schnitt maximal 110) + 3 mal 30 Minuten laden also 9,5 Stunden. Ich fahre elektrisch schon länger!
Just reflecting on this, I think the range was basically the same as the Ioniq 6 you tested?
Missing the heat pump yet? This kind of conditions would be perfect for it.
Let's not get crazy, heat pump works best between 5 and 10 degrees and would still only boost range by 30 km.
@@williwerbung520312km
No Heat Pump in ID7 that is not very smart, would have been nice if they included that which most automakers are now doing.
Heat pump is available in ID7. He just didn't check that box during configuration.
in a range focused expensive car it seems like an important thing to not tick. His own mistake if you ask me. But more so VW's dumb move to not include it. Even stingy companies like BMW give it standard on cars like i4. Many reviewers now getting id7 with no heat pump getting poor range as well..
Circa €1000 extra, as far as I remember from earlier videos. Standard from several other brands on cars at this price level, but that's VW for you. I'm just amazed he got a steering wheel..
1000€ and not available at that time
@@BatteryLife Ehrlich? That makes it even worse. I thought it was your decision, not VW's. They really need to get their act together with EVs. They were so good at it with ice cars, we could have expected the same with the next phase. Enjoy your ID.7 and I certainly enjoy your updates and reports. Living in a milder climate, I shiver sometimes but that is also part of the experience. MFG and all the best for Christmas and the New Year.
It doesn't... have a heatpump?
Even my 38kwh Ioniq has a heat pump...😮
It does if you spec it.
Yeah...but you have to pay 1000EUR more...most car manufacturers have it as standard
@@Wulf44445 my guy, in 2023 EVs should be spec’d with heatpump standard for winter climates.
Will you measure the battery content (degradation) while it is new, to have a base for the one year degradation test
with the 110 test, we can do that
but the weather is not good for that at all. A lot of heat loss, when I look at the calculated battery capacity
What did I miss? The highway is completely empty with very few cars but at the Gas station they are queuing for fuel? Where does all the cars come from all of a sudden? 😮
different time of the day I guess
What’s the efficiency like at 113 km/H, i.e. the UK speed limit?
Will the ID7 Lane assist nudge over when passing large trucks?
No idea. always off
Pressing the accelerator past the limit in ECO makes you go higher than 130km/h. This to always make it possible to hit max speed.
Yes, there is a button on the pedal, but the cruise control does not stay at 133, only goes up to 130 in Eco
Yeah, i think these numbers are not too shiny, especially if you compare to VW ID.5 Pro or Audi Q4 etron or even VW Id.3 Pro. I guess they are with the older motor and stuff. Even the weather is colder on this test, there should be a leap forward with better motor, optimized battery, optimal shape for great cw value, still i don't see the result. It is in the middle group, and this is a brand new model, how it is going to keep the pace in 2-3 years from now? hmm.....
A very good ride! Just a bit disappointing that you are getting almost the same range as an Ev6, that has only 74kwh of capacity. VW is getting better btw, and the computer has been largerly improved. Snappier and many new fonctionalities.
In my ev6 red test I had 330 km in the summer with this test. No heat, no AC 20°C and slower AVG speed
EV6 will be thirstier it is incredible how inefficient that car is
@@BatteryLife ok but the usable energy is 3kwh lower in an Ev6. Id7 has about 12 km more range due to the size of the battery. The better cx (0,23 vs 0,28) should help the car to drive further. I does'nt so much. If you compare it to a Ioniq 6 that has 74 kwh too, for the moment Hyundai/Kia drive train is a bit better. As an early owner, I bet that VW updates should improve heat management. 2kw is a lot, even without heatpump. I was an early Ev6 owner too and Kia did improve the heater management, even for PTC only cars. Tschuss !
@@marcusbiller867 no so far, if you look at the huge cx difference, 23 vs 28
In WhatCar? comparison test, a base Model 3 managed to beat ID7 in real world range.
M3 is a bit smaller, but the test shows how ID7 underperforms in efficiency.
In the end, that makes it more expensive to run.
so how can u get the epa range .....city driving? I guess
Downhill
If you want the EPA range, buy a Tesla ;-)
@@christianolsen9781 yeah I mean it's never clear from manufacturers what's the actual range at various speeds and temperatures with highway driving....but u can find it online
could you also test the new Tesla Model 3 LR at 130kmh if you have the opportunity?
I would love to. But Tesla does not give test cars. Can only drive one from a service centre for an hour.
@@BatteryLife ah, that's true. Maybe of you can find a friend or a subscriber to lend you one for a test haha
Well I can share from Highland SR. Got it late October and have driven it 4.500kms. Super efficient even at speeds with an average of 18.5kwh/100. My daily commute is 80% motorway at 130. It will average around 19.5 before I leave the motorway and drops to the 18.5 when I hit the office. It does use some energy to heat up the car at the start, so longer trips would bring the average down. Expect the LR to use a bit more energy but it will definitely be better than the ID7.
An interesting test, and similar to a drive I did a couple of weeks ago in my Genesis Electrified G80 which has an 87.7 KWh battery with about 82 usable. I made reference I think to my journey on a previous comment after your collection video. Travelling from Paris to Calais (Eurotunnel terminal) in similar if a little colder conditions at 130kmh, over some 300 km's I was averaging pretty much the same as you - 2.5 miles per kWh (Our English calculation!). Although I did have battery preconditioning switched on, which of course effects range.
At the time I put a lot of it down to the higher European speed limit, however after a drive around Central London on Saturday, where thanks to the absolutely mind blowinlgly awful traffic (late on a Saturday night its far worse than in the day) coupled with major road closures meant the drive home - 14 miles took some two hours😮, with some 45 mins spent stationery (with heater, lights, A/C cycling on and off, and Stereo) I achieved at an average speed of 12mph still only around 2.6 miles per kWh, although the temperature was a lot higher at around 8-10 deg C.
The take from all of this, in the Summer 3 to 3.5 miles perkWh was the normal with a total range from 80-15% of about 210 - 230 miles, or from100% possibly achieving a magical 300 miles!
As I said I am probably repeating my previous comment, but your video was a useful comparison with my experience. BTW like you with the VW travel assist I also always use the Genesis HMG equivalent HDA2 which sounds very similar with lane change assist and machine learning etc!
Paradise Lost, i see you are a man of taste as well!
Enjoy the car! It is great 👍
The consumption is what I aspect for the weather conditions and speed... More or less like "all" electric cars. At least the honest ones 😎 hehehe
In the combustion cars the drivers enjoyed the cars as a whole and not just one thing: consumption 😜
Have fun please!
You go one way, and back the opposite way and then average everything up. When I recently started a journey it was up the mountains in -4c . The views were breathtaking but the consumption bad
I start and end at the same point. No elevation difference, except for the first hill
Guessometer calculates with forced Ecomode for the last 10 %, so gets more range.
But why? if I am not in ecomode
For the price the heat pump should be standard.
0:32 I charge to 100 % because my battery is small, kWh average cost goes down the more I charge and I have to go uphills back home that can drain 3 % already with no home charge ability. 🤷
Would be happy with 24 kWh/100 km at that speed and temperature with my Q4 e-tron 45 quattro.
Soon when the EV will be cheap enough, all this madness with 21 vs 24 kWh/100 km consumption will be history. People will appreciate the feedback from the car more than a couple of kWh. This will be the main focus. Maybe other things also.
Just like for ICE, the VW was not the most economic compared with french and italian brands but still one of the most appreciated regarding the driving feedback.
I have to disappoint you, you can''t defeat physics. The only way to bring consumption down is lowering speed, lower cx and rolling resistance of the tires. For an average car, the calculated energy consumption is about 23 kwh/100km, independent of the technology that is used to drive the car.
Alright and how about co2 emissions with this high consumption. if i look at the co2 per kwh, losses in the network and production of natural gas, coals and renewable energy, for the netherlands where i am located its well above 400 grams per kwh.. if you look at new engines like for instance 2.0 tdi evo its much more clear what the co2
Emissions are. Also battery is large which means a lot of carbon pollution.. and will it last more than 10years..
320km (or 200 miles) would have been good, but it is still a very nice car 😊
350kms is good - for a 60kwh battery. For 77kwh battery 320 is
What do you mean no heat pump? Dont all get that?
You have to order it. I didn't
Does Hank have staggered wheels and tires?
staggered?
Different size wheels and tires front and back like the ID4.
@@davidhelfrich7150
Yes, wheels and tyres are staggered, as it is RWD with lots of torque:
Front 235/50 R19
Rear 255/45 R19
See the table at 15:28 in the video.
Are there laws in Germany about using a mobile phone when driving?
I got more than that distance in my id4 without preheating, same temp and just a tiny bit average speed
No you don't. I tested the Id.4 in the summer at 24°C and got 340 km
Doesn't sound logical.
You named your ID7 Hank?
Yes. Breaking Bad. My Id.3 was Walter
14:29 59 Cent?!? At 24 kWh consumption, this is 14,16 € / 100 km. Before I pay such a cracy price, I would hang in the wind shadow of a truck to avoid a charging stop.
At home, only electricity providers with spot market prices are good.
German Power got expensive
It could have been better range with normal climate figures... Like 21 deg Max .. 23... This Is damn hot! 😁
I like it warm. always have
@@BatteryLife 👍😁
@BatteryLife It's set at 23 degrees, but what temperature is it actually? My Tesla feels warmer when set to 18,5 degrees than my Zoe feels when set to 21. 😂
@@itekani come on…this is VAG… 21 deg will always be 21 in any of VAG car 😎…
@@maxs3153 Ok, I never had one. :) It just struck me that every test checks speed with GPS speed and also any error on the odometer is taken into account. But I never saw anyone actually setting the temperature according to a thermometer, just set the ACC temp.
call me crazy. I'm really grateful for the video and without any judgement, but how can one buy such a car? i would be very anxious all the time with this limited range... especially for the money given, that is still a lot compared to ICE ones. it all seems an experiment on our own money. I know this is a test and I really appreciate it but i mean even in this video, he is wearing his jacket inside the car just to get higher range. passenger side is not even in. and even that reflects in a very poor 300 kmish range. am I crazy? am I the only one thinking this EV are not yet worth our money yet but we all buy them blindly because they are just shove in our eyes? I mean we try to please the car and chase that better range instead of the car making us happy and be useful for us. For me it seems to defeat the point of buying a car. Thanks for the helpful video!
Because nobody drives 300 km every day. Range is not so important on a daily work drive. And comfort is way more important to me.
No heatpump?? My 2014 EV has heatpump…
You can have a heat pump. I did not order it
It should come standard…
@@BatteryLife ok, I live in the north of Sweden, most EV:s come with heatpump as standard here.
Heat pump is standard in Norway@@BatteryLife
Wasn’t the heat pump even available as an option? Germany has plenty of cold weather, you should get a car with heat pump.
What if comparing result to Model Y, how big would the gap be in consumption with these two?
You would compare it to Model 3, not Y. Model 3 would be below 20kWh and Model Y most likely about 10% more or about 22kWh
Unfortunately only Tesla gives an attractive alternative to ICE primarily due to their low cost chargung network. If one has to use Ionity for 70c-1eur/kwh is pointless. I'm about to change my leasing plugin next year and will probably go for a 530d or E400d.
Something is wrong if the Cupra has almost the same result at low temperatures with bigger wheels, while using an older generation engine than this.
5 km/h less average and 6 degrees less temperature delta for heating maybe?
I dont know,there isnt much to say!Its a nice car,end of the story!
No bad - not great. Somewhere in the middle.
I saw this coming. Heat pump is essential for this car. This is pretty bad. Worse than a plaid possibly.
Just learn to drive without heat just with directly heated seat and steering wheel. 😂
Not much you would save 1-3kwh with HP
@@H.E.Sensei That is still a good chunk.
Normal electronics in these cars are still using the 12 v battery. Heating from fans using car battery.
12 v battery fail the most common cause for towing these ev:s
Heating the seats and steering wheel drains 12 v.
@@fredrik8426 hmm interesting. Iam wondering if that is true for the ID´s.
next year it gets a slightly bigger battery. VW is not very good with batteries. let's see if they can pull off the LFP manufacturing at low cost. But that is for the low end like ID.2/3.
but they also need better batteries for the longer range versions (ID.4/5/7/Buzz). i think this is where BMW and Mercedes have better cards in their hands.
No Heatpump?
Foggy, so air is denser and more resistance than normal
Heating on 23 with a big jacket on , why?
1 degree
You are being a tad unfair on it.
A far from ideal comparison Chris?
Its running eco mode maybe its stinky with the heater because of that.
what? He had in comfort@@amosjovt
No eco mode
by 5%
@@garysmith5025The difference is usually no where near 35% as studies show only a slight decrease in density in humid air as water vapour is lighter than oxygen and nitrogen but that is in warm air. In cold wet air it’s different and the air may be denser than warm dry air. It depends on temperature and pressure as well as humidity.
VW’s electric motors still don’t seem to be as great as they could be, and the AWD models are apparently using off the shelf components from Magna. From what I have been able to research, it appears VW didn’t bother to fit a front motor disconnect unit like Hyundai/Kia/Genesis (and now Mercedes-Benz is using on 2024MY EQE/EQS) on their AWD EV models either. I was expecting well over 200 miles of range in this test. The results are disappointing.
Tesla Model 3 Highland is much better value for the money and technically more rounded too! Anyhow, your results are to be expected. 240 Wh/km is not terrible with such high speed.
A Model 3 is a much smaller car
The Tesla Model 3 is a much smaller, less luxurious car, This is the size of a model S. Model 3 doesn't have HUD, matrix headlights, massage seats, Android Auto or carplay. Plus Tesals legendary quality based on making cars as cheaply as possible provided issues don't happen during the warranty period.
@speedismyfriend you need apple carplay or android auto because the VW software is shiiiit?
That's the dilemma I have...base id.7 is not much more expensive, but has a hatch and more room. Not to forget stalks. 240 Wh/km is good for such a practical car in these conditions. I'm waiting for the big battery
@@simondehaas8784 much smaller? In what way? You have WAY more storage capacity in the model 3, 680L vs 580L? in the id7, which may be a huge car, but doesn't even have a frunk. So Id7 is much slower, charges slower, has less storage capacity and is less efficient.
The id7 looks pretty inefficient compared to the other non-Tesla brands, like Ford Mustang or Kia eniro.
Just curious - why did you for the VW? Why not get a Kia EV6?
No, ev6 and mustang mach E had less range in my test, even in warmer temps.
Kia ev6 is great, but I hate the beeping on everything.
It's not inefficient, these are nearly worst case conditions, wet, cold, no heatpump fitted to the car and a long drive at 130kph.
Good god, Maingau is expensive... 😮
So, Ev without heat pump is no no, especialy during winter. It cost fraction of the car but benefits are big.
It's going to really depend on the outside temperature. You still need to have a backup heater for a heat pump since a heat pump generally needs to be tuned to work efficiently in a specific temperature range. As an example, the one on my house is only rated down to -25C and then barely outputs much heat. The heat pump in the Outlander PHEV doesn't seem to work anywhere near that low since it isn't a specific cold climate heat pump design so it has to run the engine for waste heat.
Having different models for different climates would be terrible for customers and expensive to design. Having just one has to make tradeoffs between working well in the Texas Sun in summer and working well in the Michigan winters.
Yes it depends on how cold it gets and how the car is designed. If the car is able to use waste heat from battery, cabin and motors (or use motors as ptc heaters) and shuffle it around then altogether with heat pump can create efficient system that will positively impact range.@@Snerdles
At the end of your commercial part of your video, could you wink? And point at the cam with both finger? Double guns? 🤭
Heat pump are the magic words.
At the end of the day, bigger car + bigger battery equals higher cost to run.All these tests only prove that.more money you spend nice interior's is all you get.You only want to drive the Carnot live in.Give me a MG4 all day.
Why has this car 235 front tires snd 255 rear tires. Such a shiiiit...
No idea. weight and 286 hp
Road noise is a dealbreaker, range vs what he put it through is a deal break. Can just as well keep the enyaq instead of cashing out so much for the same mediocre performance. If the noise lvl was better and more range then it was a no brainer.
Thank you for the honest review.
Then use an EV summer tire instead. They are quiet. In this case it has nothing to do with the car.
It is quieter than the Enyaq. and seen at the end more range than the Enyaq
@@BatteryLifePlease test the Enyaq 85 Coupe against your car! 🙏
Maybe in 10-20 years I will buy an electric car when the technology is good enough to be actually better than gssoline cars.
Do you know what 130 KM are. I could walk or bicycle that short of a distance. Who would want to pay good money for an EV that only travels that distance? My Chevy Bolt can travel about 200 miles in the Winter on an 85% charge!
No, it can't with 126 kmh AVG speed and 23 degree inside temp.
@@BatteryLife It still is impractical a vehicle for most people.
It is bad for an ID7 that claims it can run 618 km per charge, but the WLTP test is without heat and aircon on, but then you can see electric cars eat power with heat on
It's a workable range , but after 3 or 4 years and after battery degradation , it will be a bit low. If it was 500km and you knew you would lose a few km over time then ok. 260 and you know it could be 180 in 4 years...tough to accept.
There is no reason to say it would be 180 in 4 years. It is like saying an ICE car has 260 hp now, but in 4 years you know it could be just 180. 😂
You're going to sell this car in less than 6 months.
Leasing
and never. It is amazing
The only thing I commend VW for is launching an actual car that's not an SUV. Everything else about this car (as with most of the other ID's) is expensive junk.
I drove now 7 times with my ID4 from BY to Spain. My first stop is Ionity Mahlberg....310km...summer rest SOC 6%.....winter rest SOC 3% (0°to -2°)...no heat pump, 130km/h....comfort mode....21°C....always fully loaded 450-500kg....
Yes ID7 is disapointing.....
Did you drive an AVG of 126 kmh?
Most time on german Autobahn my average speed over long haul trips is about 95 to 110 km/h because of parts with traffic and construction sites. When it is free i drive about 130 or 140, short parts with max speed.
This high average speed isn't possible that often but good to know how the results are.
I think it has a good range compared to my Enyaq with same battery and Me3.0
@@BatteryLife
Ok, I learned now: carscanner records AVG: 114 km/h. Well its always a midnight start....no lorries, no traffic jam...A8 is free... the Stuttgart 120km/h zones, Aichelberg 100km/h, the eternal 80km/h Pforzheim construction site....at the end from the Baden-Baden unlimited zone its rather a final 160km/h run (cause non-preconditioner)...doubt if you can make it with 126km/h average.;-)
The total of 1630km in winter were done with AVG 111 km/h (picture available;-)
Reported to have failed in release sales in China. Too expensive.
Nobody cares about China.
Thought VW was going to hit back at the upstarts frim China & Tesla with this ID7 but it doesn't look like it based on the early reviews. Stellantis are carrying the Legacy flag once the e 3008 comes on stream.
Doesn't have heat pump ??? 😂😂😂😂
i will never buy EV untill charge in 15minutes or swappable battery...because i fill full tank of GAS in 4 minutes for the same money.
This is incredibly disappointing, early reviews said something around 19.
This sucks for highway travel... So much for "redesigned and more efficient powertrain"
Sold 100 cars per day in China after the release.
Again, who the flip can get access to the numbers of orders? No one. And VW would never release it.
That is disappointing
The MY SR can achieve 300 with 60kwh battery
The ID.7 should be better because of better aerodynamics and bigger battery
The result is very strange
@1°C at 130Km/h ?
@@Chaser2k Yes that max average consumption for me is 20 kw/h
@@otacon_ahyo And the ID7 with heatpump has 23 and its a lot bigger car. So it seems the ID7 is doing fine.
@@Chaser2k 20 kw h is max for the Tesla my overall average is 16 kWh
The model y is bigger for sure
@@otacon_ahyo M3 is definitely the most efficient car.
Well this ID7 cost same as a BMW I5.. I go for the BMW I5
You can
Verstehe nicht wieso man nicht die Wärmepumpe nimmt. Allgm der Speck sehr fragwürdig.
1000€ und war nicht lieferbar. Dann kein Umweltbonus
A heat pump makes the difference here.
lol, thats extremley thirsty.
No, it is not.
For a car that size its not!
All these EV’s are crap. Useless cars for the rich. Range of 300km? I don’t want to charge every day!
then don't get one and leave the one who want alone. I am not complaining about your choice