The best is to charge the car after the trip to the same percentage you started the trip with. And additionally you should take the product of the total trip time (including recharging) and the total energy needed for the trip. In this way you have an absolute standardized test procedure and you are independent of cars in the future that can cover the whole trip completely without charging!!
Just ordered one 2 weeks ago, need to wait until end of January to receive it because of delays with the panoramic roof. Seeing your videos really makes me impatient 😁😁. And yes, I think you should correct the charging times, makes all cars the same. Great video!
Hi Kris, Thanks for the insight. I am currently on a Tesla MY which runs out next year and I initially wanted to get myself the MY Juniper. However, I am now done with Elon Musk and consequently Tesla. I started looking at alternatives and came across the the ID 7 Tourer which I find really impressing and I am determined to get myself one. The really difficult decision for me, however, is between the tourer pro s and the gtx. In terms of WLTP this means 690km vs 590. This is potentially a big difference and it would interest me what this means in practice. So does the GTX provide so much more added value that is justifies the reduced range? What are your thoughts on that?
@@godofdun sorry to hear that! Maybe due to punitive tariffs or the IRA? Maybe they think about producing the car in Chattanooga instead of importing it from Germany to benefit from the IRA.
Gonna order ID7 GTX soon! And PS! Speed limits here are max 110, not 120 😉 Being able to get a 97 average on the road from Oslo to Kristiansand is impressive with all the 70 and 80 limits along the road 😅 thank you for the review, made my choice easier
Thanks for a nice review Kris. I am in the marked for a new car. Coming from the E tron 55 and lately Polestar 2, I have been aiming for Polestar 4. Tested it and was slightly disappointed. Polestar 2 I love, Polestar 4 felt to me more like a Zeekr/Geely Polestar edition. Missing some of the great Volvo heritage in that car. However, seeing your videos on Id7 makes me want to try it, although I am not a massive VW fan. For yourself or a family of 3, would you do the GTX coupe or GTX tourer? Br. Tore
My thoughts when watching this test is that in a 600k trip it is recommended to take at least one if not two breaks. Eleven minutes wouldn't give you much of a break. If you plugged the vehicle in, went and got a snack and a toilet break you would have used up more than 11 minutes. When younger I thought nothing of driving 800k or more with only a fuel break. Today never. For most people on holidays driving this vehicle would not increase the travel time over a ICE if they charged over a meal break and over night charging at the hotel.
I have had issues with Recharge and would have prefered if you picked Circle K with their 350w chargers and 2-3 percent more. We get our GTX Tourer in February 😍
VW states, ID.7 Tourer consumtions 14.2 kWh/100km (2wd) vs GTX (4wd) 16.9kWh/100km. Could you test if consumption is in the real life is really 19% higher?
Not really. The consumption is rated at 12.4 for the sedan and 12.83 for the Tourer (both pro version) The number you mention is the number that include charge loss.
@@evkx Seems that Norge's VW 's tekniske-data-id7.pdf' have a bit different 'Blandet kjøring' numbers 14.09 vs 16.65 and range 686 vs 581 i.e. 20%. Can this really be this huge in the real life???
@@jpnurro this is not the consumption numbers. They are the numbers including the charge loss. If you take the rated range of 584km and divide on the 86kWh net battery you get 14.7 kWh/100km. That is the car consumption. The WLTP consumption is a worthless number since it include the charge loss that include a unknow part.
Hey, great video as always, about the throtteling i think that can have something to do with the cooling of the charging cables. I think Bjorn had kind of the same problem in his 1000km challange when not charging on Ionity.
It would be interesting if the ID7 GTX sedan has a lower consumption - i orderd the GTX sedan in June but have to wait until February :-( .....by the way great video!
You should try the Lucid Air Grand Touring then you will have a unbeatable record with 0 minutes charging. The GTX really looks like an awsome car. S6 Avant is double the price.
Great test! I did a shorter rangetest with this car with som guys from a facebookgroup for ID7 and was also impressed by the effieciency. What do you think about this compared to an I5 touring?
I'll get mine delivered end of the month, but I noticed you have got the smaller/normal ID7 rims on that car and not the Skagen 20" rims that are standard for the GTX model (atleast in Sweden), so the normal ID7 GTX is a bit less efficient.
Hi Kris, My Google-Norwegian is very bad but that pile was saying something like “limitation due to sharing” every time you showed a lower speed. And at 170kW it also said “limitation due to charging station”. Only at the beginning of the charging when the car was ramping up it showed the symbol “limitation due to the car”. I mean that blue icon on the right of the display”. Can’t say anything, because I wasn’t there, but that car pulls 500A for a while, and those Kempower units have no cooled cables, which means they might struggle to deliver as much power as long as the car needs. 🤷♂️ Having said that, I think the time achieved was incredible, but for a record time you will need the RWD version with the std. 19” wheels and not those open wheels. 👍 BTW, looking forward to see how the PPE cars(Q6, A6 Avant) with only RWD perform.👍👍
It said "shared power", but the station can output at least 600kW, so at most there was me and a Model Y charging. So at no point where we close to the station limitation. It also said "limited by the car", which is why I think there was thermal throttling because of the car. These newer Kempower stations which are rated at 200/400kW have water cooled cable and can deliver 500A no problem. It's only the old stations that are limited to 125kW.
@@KrisRifayou should be right there, as I’ve said I wasn’t there so I only got small pieces of information but not the whole picture. Nevertheless it felt strange, as I hadn’t seen such a behaviour on an ID.7 yet, nor on my own car nor on other YT videos. But keep up with the good work, your videos are always worth watching. 👍
17:20 "Maks effect på läder" means maximum speed of charger, and then you claim thermal throttle and there is text "delt effect" which means shared charging so other car was limiting speed not heat. So most likely this charging station max 600 kW comes from 3 x 200 kW
@@mr.wizeguy8995 "maks effect på lader" Max power of the charger is 200kW for 400V batteries, or in this case looks like 204kW. That message indicates that we are at peak power delivery, which is fine since the car peaks at that speed anyways. That does not explain why the speed dropped to 111kW. "delt effekt" This message came up when another car started charging at the station. As you see on the video I am the only car charging, and at most another Model Y was charging at the station. This message indicates that max power is being split between two cars, but since the station most likely at least can deliver 600kW. This message won't affect the peak the car can get of 200kW. A Model Y can peaks below 200kW at non Tesla Superchargers. I was also getting 200kW+ when that Tesla was charging in the background, so obviously that was not a limiting factor. "kjøretøybegrensinger" Vehicle limitations is the message I saw (and also shown later) when the speed dropped to 111kW. At this point in time I was THE ONLY car at this charging station. This is why I believe this was thermal throttling. Another indication that the battery may have been hot when connected is the fact that there was not need to manually precondition the battery prior to charging, as shown in the minutes before I connected.
Fantastic car. Finally a station wagon. Of course, I hope other brands follow the same path, tired of all the SUVs. If it is supposed to be a right vision, you should probably calculate the charging time so that all cars end up at the same percentage, like 5 percent maybe.
Nice review. But from all these reviews no one says how much it costs them to charge . For instance you say the distance you traveled and how much it cost you to fast charge it.
I mean how much does gas cost? Or how much does it cost to buy a house? It depends on where you live. Since I live in Norway and my viewers are from all over the world, there is no one shoe that fits all. But what I can say is that we used approx 110kWh to complete this test. Charging all of that energy at Ionity would have cost 330nok or about 27,5€. If i charged to 100% at home, and the rest on the road it would have cost around 160nok or 13€. Either way, it is super cheap. But your milage may vary depending on where you live.
Hello hello, Thanks for this very nice video. And I now subscribe to your channel. Can you make a complete video on charging? It could be great to have this charging curve (which is in real condition) and to try to have a new one, without limit with over temperature. Thanks!!
ID7 and I4 are so much more expensive..... I've chosen the Model Y. 50k for a fully loaded LR RWD. Comparable ID7 or I4 would be 65k here in NL. That's almost a second hand 2019 Model 3 SR+ in between (18-19k nowadays)....
ID 7 is the better car. It s not even a question. It has more range than all the cars you mentioned, more comfortable and better interior. It s the better family car.
@@andreassjodin3550 For your reference the 19" all season tyres show a highway consumption of 21.2 kWh/100 km for the GTX but only 19.3 for the Pro S in the german configurator. The difference is less, but still remarkable.
In what world is this "about the same prize as the Tesla Model Y"? If you spec out a ID7 to have the same equipment as a Model Y you need the Interior pack + and towing hook. Then it is 660 401 NOK compared to a Model Y (Including winter wheels) that is 505 838 kroner. Thats almost 160 000 NOK difference, that's not "about the same". The only extra stuff you get then compared to the tesla is ventilated seats, messaging seats and trunk net. But you get heated steering wheel in the Tesla, which you have to pay an extra 21k for in the ID7. Even without the interior pack it is still 90 000 more than the Tesla, with less equipment. I am not saying this to be mean, I just think that you lose a lot of credibility with statements like that. I feel like i am listening to a Volkswagen salesman. And i believe you don't want to be perceived that way. This is coming from a guy who really don't want to buy the Model Y and desperately try to find a better solution, but to that prize its damn hard to find a better solution for a family car.
You made my decision easy! I ordered my Id.7 GTX yesterday! So excited to take delivery of it next spring!
I think you should correct the time for the exact percentage needed. It would standardize this test a little bit more.
The best is to charge the car after the trip to the same percentage you started the trip with. And additionally you should take the product of the total trip time (including recharging) and the total energy needed for the trip. In this way you have an absolute standardized test procedure and you are independent of cars in the future that can cover the whole trip completely without charging!!
Just ordered one 2 weeks ago, need to wait until end of January to receive it because of delays with the panoramic roof. Seeing your videos really makes me impatient 😁😁.
And yes, I think you should correct the charging times, makes all cars the same. Great video!
Hi Kris,
Thanks for the insight.
I am currently on a Tesla MY which runs out next year and I initially wanted to get myself the MY Juniper. However, I am now done with Elon Musk and consequently Tesla. I started looking at alternatives and came across the the ID 7 Tourer which I find really impressing and I am determined to get myself one.
The really difficult decision for me, however, is between the tourer pro s and the gtx. In terms of WLTP this means 690km vs 590. This is potentially a big difference and it would interest me what this means in practice. So does the GTX provide so much more added value that is justifies the reduced range? What are your thoughts on that?
Great review. Encouraged by the results as have one on order here in the UK. Did the test car have a heat pump?
@@m.l7222 yes! All ID.7s in Norway come standard with a heat pump 😊
There is a rumour the non heatpump cars don't get that hard thermal throttling, this should be tested.
Battery Life has no heatpump in his ID7.
Now I'm even more bummed we don't get this here in the states, great.
You got at least the ID.7 sedan. The trunk space is very similar and it has better aerodynamics. Might that be an option for you? 😊
@@rudolfbruder The sedan for our market has been postponed "indefinitely" by vw, so no not an option lol
@@godofdun sorry to hear that! Maybe due to punitive tariffs or the IRA? Maybe they think about producing the car in Chattanooga instead of importing it from Germany to benefit from the IRA.
Gonna order ID7 GTX soon! And PS! Speed limits here are max 110, not 120 😉 Being able to get a 97 average on the road from Oslo to Kristiansand is impressive with all the 70 and 80 limits along the road 😅 thank you for the review, made my choice easier
Thanks for a nice review Kris. I am in the marked for a new car. Coming from the E tron 55 and lately Polestar 2, I have been aiming for Polestar 4. Tested it and was slightly disappointed. Polestar 2 I love, Polestar 4 felt to me more like a Zeekr/Geely Polestar edition. Missing some of the great Volvo heritage in that car. However, seeing your videos on Id7 makes me want to try it, although I am not a massive VW fan. For yourself or a family of 3, would you do the GTX coupe or GTX tourer? Br. Tore
I’d absolutely go for a test drive if I were you!
I like more how the tourer looks. You have the extra space and the range disadvantage is negligible.
My thoughts when watching this test is that in a 600k trip it is recommended to take at least one if not two breaks. Eleven minutes wouldn't give you much of a break.
If you plugged the vehicle in, went and got a snack and a toilet break you would have used up more than 11 minutes. When younger I thought nothing of driving 800k or more with only a fuel break. Today never. For most people on holidays driving this vehicle would not increase the travel time over a ICE if they charged over a meal break and over night charging at the hotel.
I have had issues with Recharge and would have prefered if you picked Circle K with their 350w chargers and 2-3 percent more.
We get our GTX Tourer in February 😍
Please correct the time for a better comparison between the cars. Even better if you also correct for temperature like I do in my EV spreadsheet
VW states, ID.7 Tourer consumtions 14.2 kWh/100km (2wd) vs GTX (4wd) 16.9kWh/100km. Could you test if consumption is in the real life is really 19% higher?
Not really. The consumption is rated at 12.4 for the sedan and 12.83 for the Tourer (both pro version) The number you mention is the number that include charge loss.
@@evkx He means the difference between 2wd and 4wd, not the difference between Tourer and Sedan. 😉
@@jline3701 that numbers are 13.83 vs 14.73 (Pro S Tourer vs GTX) (6.5%)
@@evkx Seems that Norge's VW 's tekniske-data-id7.pdf' have a bit different 'Blandet kjøring' numbers 14.09 vs 16.65 and range 686 vs 581 i.e. 20%. Can this really be this huge in the real life???
@@jpnurro this is not the consumption numbers. They are the numbers including the charge loss. If you take the rated range of 584km and divide on the 86kWh net battery you get 14.7 kWh/100km. That is the car consumption. The WLTP consumption is a worthless number since it include the charge loss that include a unknow part.
Hey, great video as always, about the throtteling i think that can have something to do with the cooling of the charging cables. I think Bjorn had kind of the same problem in his 1000km challange when not charging on Ionity.
@@dablo8250 these chargers can handle 200/400kW no problem and have cooled cables. I made a video about these charges at Kempower last year.
It would be interesting if the ID7 GTX sedan has a lower consumption - i orderd the GTX sedan in June but have to wait until February :-( .....by the way great video!
You should try the Lucid Air Grand Touring then you will have a unbeatable record with 0 minutes charging. The GTX really looks like an awsome car. S6 Avant is double the price.
Great test! I did a shorter rangetest with this car with som guys from a facebookgroup for ID7 and was also impressed by the effieciency. What do you think about this compared to an I5 touring?
The i5s battery is just way too small for this type of car and the price point. Would NEVER get it.
I'll get mine delivered end of the month, but I noticed you have got the smaller/normal ID7 rims on that car and not the Skagen 20" rims that are standard for the GTX model (atleast in Sweden), so the normal ID7 GTX is a bit less efficient.
I think you have to correct them, also the outside temperatures were different. It's really the car i like after my Mazda CX60.
Hi Kris,
My Google-Norwegian is very bad but that pile was saying something like “limitation due to sharing” every time you showed a lower speed. And at 170kW it also said “limitation due to charging station”. Only at the beginning of the charging when the car was ramping up it showed the symbol “limitation due to the car”.
I mean that blue icon on the right of the display”.
Can’t say anything, because I wasn’t there, but that car pulls 500A for a while, and those Kempower units have no cooled cables, which means they might struggle to deliver as much power as long as the car needs. 🤷♂️
Having said that, I think the time achieved was incredible, but for a record time you will need the RWD version with the std. 19” wheels and not those open wheels.
👍
BTW, looking forward to see how the PPE cars(Q6, A6 Avant) with only RWD perform.👍👍
It said "shared power", but the station can output at least 600kW, so at most there was me and a Model Y charging. So at no point where we close to the station limitation. It also said "limited by the car", which is why I think there was thermal throttling because of the car.
These newer Kempower stations which are rated at 200/400kW have water cooled cable and can deliver 500A no problem. It's only the old stations that are limited to 125kW.
@@KrisRifayou should be right there, as I’ve said I wasn’t there so I only got small pieces of information but not the whole picture. Nevertheless it felt strange, as I hadn’t seen such a behaviour on an ID.7 yet, nor on my own car nor on other YT videos. But keep up with the good work, your videos are always worth watching.
👍
@@e-redj me neither! So I don’t think this should be an issue for this car. Thanks mate 🤩
17:20 "Maks effect på läder" means maximum speed of charger, and then you claim thermal throttle and there is text "delt effect" which means shared charging so other car was limiting speed not heat. So most likely this charging station max 600 kW comes from 3 x 200 kW
@@mr.wizeguy8995
"maks effect på lader"
Max power of the charger is 200kW for 400V batteries, or in this case looks like 204kW. That message indicates that we are at peak power delivery, which is fine since the car peaks at that speed anyways. That does not explain why the speed dropped to 111kW.
"delt effekt"
This message came up when another car started charging at the station. As you see on the video I am the only car charging, and at most another Model Y was charging at the station. This message indicates that max power is being split between two cars, but since the station most likely at least can deliver 600kW. This message won't affect the peak the car can get of 200kW. A Model Y can peaks below 200kW at non Tesla Superchargers. I was also getting 200kW+ when that Tesla was charging in the background, so obviously that was not a limiting factor.
"kjøretøybegrensinger"
Vehicle limitations is the message I saw (and also shown later) when the speed dropped to 111kW. At this point in time I was THE ONLY car at this charging station. This is why I believe this was thermal throttling. Another indication that the battery may have been hot when connected is the fact that there was not need to manually precondition the battery prior to charging, as shown in the minutes before I connected.
Fantastic car. Finally a station wagon. Of course, I hope other brands follow the same path, tired of all the SUVs. If it is supposed to be a right vision, you should probably calculate the charging time so that all cars end up at the same percentage, like 5 percent maybe.
Hi. According to the charger you shared power with another car at the end of the chargingsession. Could that be the reason why it dropped in speed?
What does the ID.7 cost to fully charge the batteries?
Nice review. But from all these reviews no one says how much it costs them to charge . For instance you say the distance you traveled and how much it cost you to fast charge it.
I mean how much does gas cost? Or how much does it cost to buy a house? It depends on where you live. Since I live in Norway and my viewers are from all over the world, there is no one shoe that fits all. But what I can say is that we used approx 110kWh to complete this test. Charging all of that energy at Ionity would have cost 330nok or about 27,5€. If i charged to 100% at home, and the rest on the road it would have cost around 160nok or 13€. Either way, it is super cheap. But your milage may vary depending on where you live.
Thank you for your reply,
Hello hello,
Thanks for this very nice video.
And I now subscribe to your channel.
Can you make a complete video on charging?
It could be great to have this charging curve (which is in real condition) and to try to have a new one, without limit with over temperature.
Thanks!!
What’s the name of that song?
If you have to choose, what’s your choice: Tesla Model 3, BMW i4, VW ID7, Polestar 2 LRSM or Tesla Model Y? 🤔
ID7 and I4 are so much more expensive..... I've chosen the Model Y. 50k for a fully loaded LR RWD. Comparable ID7 or I4 would be 65k here in NL. That's almost a second hand 2019 Model 3 SR+ in between (18-19k nowadays)....
ID 7 is the better car. It s not even a question. It has more range than all the cars you mentioned, more comfortable and better interior. It s the better family car.
Ok, but the gtx has 100 km less range than the normal Tourer S...
Not really. With the same tire size it gets a lot less of a difference.
Not with efficient, soft, 19-inch winter tires.. 😊
@@andreassjodin3550 For your reference the 19" all season tyres show a highway consumption of 21.2 kWh/100 km for the GTX but only 19.3 for the Pro S in the german configurator. The difference is less, but still remarkable.
@@omelvold WLTP average 17.1 vs 15.2 with same all season tires (no winter tires values in the VW configurator here).
My 1993 audi drove 1200km nonstop
Not with an average speed of 100kph
In what world is this "about the same prize as the Tesla Model Y"? If you spec out a ID7 to have the same equipment as a Model Y you need the Interior pack + and towing hook. Then it is 660 401 NOK compared to a Model Y (Including winter wheels) that is 505 838 kroner. Thats almost 160 000 NOK difference, that's not "about the same". The only extra stuff you get then compared to the tesla is ventilated seats, messaging seats and trunk net. But you get heated steering wheel in the Tesla, which you have to pay an extra 21k for in the ID7. Even without the interior pack it is still 90 000 more than the Tesla, with less equipment.
I am not saying this to be mean, I just think that you lose a lot of credibility with statements like that. I feel like i am listening to a Volkswagen salesman. And i believe you don't want to be perceived that way.
This is coming from a guy who really don't want to buy the Model Y and desperately try to find a better solution, but to that prize its damn hard to find a better solution for a family car.
I agree.
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Ugly car.