SWAIN REWORK 2024 CONFIRMED - League of Legends
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- SWAIN REWORK 2024 CONFIRMED - League of Legends. Swain is going to get a pretty big midscope gameplay update rework soon alongside Ziggs, Naafiri and K'Sante! What will Riot change again?
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I know what Swain needs. A dash, unstoppable and going through walls, plus maybe invisibility yeah. Good design.
Dude, where are the I-frames and a reset on them? This is so pre-Viego!
So we make Swain autistic then too? Works for me
He needs to summon a party of Darius, Draven, Talon and Sion with his ult, he IS the general after all, and we need some unbalanced bullshit on the champion that is only there to be lore accurate *cough* Akshan's fucking revive gun *cough.* Oh and make him invulnerable during the cast because why not. Slap a 3 hit max health damage passive on that boy too. There you go. Peak champion design.
What he really needs is true damage and invulnerability to really round out his kit.
dont forget the 3 hit passive
In wild rift, his w doesnt reach as far as pc swain, but it DOES critically strike immobilized champs.
Ooo, I like that
like hwei q-w?
@@jhuyy I have no idea what hwei does.
What does that do?
@@jhuyya bit like that but no execute effect just crit when the enemies get CC
Q W Hwei's be like
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Husum the goat of swain. What would you want on Swain to be changed?
I knew I would find you here general.
@@yoshi596 Make his E and Passive consistent and satisfying 🙏
STOP ENEMIES RECALL WITH W 🚫
Spend your recall, Walk with your money 👻
he needs a 3 hit mechanic and 2 dashes
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the thing that they try to fix naafiri when she become the most popular champ if ironic
Maybe they won't anymore since they did those recent buffs that seemed to help her a lot.
@@RemusNeo well maybe a champ that easy to play shouldn´t be freaking broken, if fixing is making a champ op then simple buff all of swains ap scalings and base dmg somply by doubling them and watch his pickrate become as high as naafiri, she isn´t popular, she is just op at the moment which is a problem
@@sakutaro3musik486 but she isnt even popular, since her buff Ive gone against one person player her and they sucked
@@tyrant3191because it’s a domino effect, if the champ is good she’ll get more popular cause she’s free wins and if she’s bad no one will play her
Popular?
I literally haven't seen a naafiri in game since her release week, outside of the occasional times I play it in arena, and I've played matches everywhere from bronze to plat
just make him a toplane battlemage like he was supposed to be...
He was a toplane battlemage 6 years ago then came the midscopes noone asked about
wow another range poke champ in the top lane neat
@@Hopeisdead39 learn to play maybe
@@LangravioShosh i know how to? i dont enjoy the idea of another poke champ in the top lane better idea make him a jungle for the lols
@@Hopeisdead39 i meant battlemage like is Mordekaiser, it's not like his whole role is to poke his opponent during laning phase...
Classic, Ksante getting his 2000th rework. Naafiri rework incoming too. It's needed sure, but don't you think it's kind of ridiculous that they need to reiterate on newer champions- I think Ksante had to get changes the year of his release. It speaks volumes at the issues with Riot's champion design team.
That's because Phreak and August get to make all the decisions on the team now, with one balancing around his own playstyle and the other just making everything a 200 years broken mess with a longer passive skill description than nasus's entire kit. The guy who designed Ksante got laid off.
@@ReikerForgethat... isnt true, why are league players so hard pressed on thinking one or two guys control the entire balance??? ps there were mass lay offs, that guy wasnt let off for making ksante
I don't think it is that of a problem. They try new things, and new things in a game design as old as a MOBA are... Difficult to balance and to get it to work. When you have the same game that started with pretty basic champions it get weirds to suddenly add new things. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. We keep mentioning K'sante, Viego or Zeri, but Lilia, Vex, Yone, Sylas, Akshan, Milio, Hwei, and so on didn't have any problem besides fixing a couple of scalings.
@@Dalauan_Sparrow Lmao, imagine getting fired for helping to create a champion that clearly went through multiple stages of approval before being released. Initially, he was weak on the PBE and wasn't considered overpowered. The real mistake was buffing him too quickly, followed by a series of poor decisions. After the rework, he just turned into a total disaster.
@@frostfrost8907
Exactly, it’s unfair to criticize them for introducing champions with unique kits that offer new ways to play, especially given that the game has been around for 15 years as u said. It's great that they continue to innovate. Regarding K'sante, I truly believe that with proper adjustments and a streamlined kit, he could have been an outstanding, fun, and well-balanced champion. Hopefully, his upcoming rework will reflect this new direction, considering the recent changes to his design since the last patch.
To this day I miss my DoT Crow Monster where one good Nevermove could do the game :( :( :(
You and me both brother :(
I would like them to revert the changes they made to him, when E could pull all of his allies' CC and his ult had to drain in order to explode. he had so many changes that little by little he changed his style of play
Swain was awesome when he collected souls of his enemies not as useless hp stacks, but as a resource used by his ult. He could collect up to 5 souls and couldn't use ult without them but it had 0 mana cost. R2 explosion damage was dependent on the number of souls and at 5 stacks it hit like a truck. I remember many 1vs2 outplays when enemy jungler ganked me when I had 0 mana and found out why you don't fuck around Swain with 5 stacks. Good times
I think that was a good change, not only was it very janky cuz you'd have to click on them, but it also solidified him as a support CCbot. If they bring that part of his kit back they'll need to take some power away from him somewhere else because it has the potential to be really strong on infinite ulti swain.
some things I thought they should change, to at least make playing swain more interesting beyond early/mid powerlevel peak and statchecking people before they buy grievous/MR/% health damage
- make his scaling passive more relevant. give him something that scales with either the bonus HP granted from his passive, or the number of stacks themselves. right now it's just a gimmick that doesn't really go anywhere, champs with % health damage and grievous can usually just stand in your ultimate and statcheck you.
- infinite ultimate is a cool concept but executed poorly on his last rework. I would like them to put more power into Demonflare, and rework the healing to make it less braindead overall. I'd make it so that proccing your passive while in Demon form heals you for like x% of bonus HP from Ravenous Flock, while removing the Healing over Time for enemies taking damage from the aura. That way the healing can be stronger, because it would be dependent on Swain's CDs and ability to hit spells. The ultimate should remain infinite and Demonflare should have more casts. Doesn't need to be infinite casts, maybe like 2 or 3 more. Either make it so getting Ravenous stacks while in ult also partly refreshes the cooldown of future Demonflare casts, or make it so the DoT zone charges up a meter for successive recasts. Also, make it so that successive recasts deal more damage than the last, since Swain is meant to excel in longer fights. They could also make it so that the first cast deals less damage than it does currently since he'll be able to use it more, they could make the amount of Demonflare casts/damage dealt scale with his Passive stacks, etc etc etc there's a lot to work with here
Problem is they demolished his damage a lot, this version is way better, with cc and all, but they got rid of passive damage , q scaling got greatlyu reduced, and r damage was just finished
@@roblxreviews2324 nice idea, but I would increase ult healing, based on stacks and increase healing of passive in ult, like before. Abd each time he charges to Max r like before, you can explode
@@shadezman they can't do that now. Sylas is the main reason
Im praying they dont change him WAY too much. I love my current swain playstyle of tank swain. Its fun being an immortal god dealing chip damage to the enemies while my team cleans up. The only thing I agree they should really change is E to make it less obvious and harder to dodge. Praying they try to make Swain a tank character and not go down the full mage route.
"CHIP DAMAGE" aka 1 shotting everyone while being a unkillable tank
swain is a battle mage and it's always been like this
ummm no they’ll definitely be focusing on his battlemage aspects not his lame ass full tank play style that’s already confirmed
E is impossible to mix if u angle it right, deffo doesnt need to be easier
@@augustheimdal1443 Swain has very poor scaling. In the lategame, he can only apply spell effects, and basically tickles enemies health bars. It usually takes a total AP ratio of 400-500% or higher in order to oneshot something at lvl 18. Swains Q+R2 only has a 100% ap ratio combined, and those are his only reliable damage, because of how easy his E is to dodge. Swain is a very bad lategame champion, which is why he is allowed to have a decent midgame and earlygame. He certainly doesnt oneshot anyone. He would need to have around 30 kills in the midgame in order to oneshot someone.
I’d like for riot to focus on solo lane swain, it’s what the vast majority of actual swain players want
Bring back the bird laser abilities. (Before rework)
preach brother preach! , I used to love the crow laser
Swain drops bird. Bird be like: imma firing mah lazer! Gaaahhhh!
@@rsg_magfiregod you worded that like a 3 year old....
@@WholesomeVolibearokay, and? 🗿
Crow laser made no fucking sense and I loved it, good ol' janky champion designs
I just want Breatice back
6 YEARS?!? holy shit im getting old
Swain:
The great general of Noxus!
rito: sooo support, right?
i mean, that's basically what generals do. they delegate.
@@bloodknyte he is not a support -.-
bring old swain back, bring old look of swain back, let people think the poor old swain who legs dont work right is weak then become huge chiken monster and they all die in a 1vs5 because swain chiken form was awesome
agreed old swain and old mord were my favorite champions
new swain looks infinitely better than the cartoonish villain that was old swain
@@Gilded_07 your right, draco malfoid dad, with generic edgy black and red color, absolutly better for a generic cartoonish villain
however if your smart and notice swain gameplay is to appear weak so people jump into him and then he transform into a giant bird and kills them all, he had a cane because he "need it" for walking as a hint to his gameplay, his colors where green and gold, much more unique then the boring black and red, he even had his flying bird with him Beatrice, now he just have red glowy hand
if i have 5 years old of course i would think this new design of swain is better, its edgy its generic what else can you want
The problem with swain is that Riot doesn’t know where to put him. He was suppose to be drain tank in the top lane. Now with the nerfs after nerfs, they dragged him to support and kept him. Became OP in support and got nerfs. Currently swain is played in 3 roles which is like… why. What is his primary lane…
why not? there are plenty of champions played in almost every role and lane
@@johnbretty3729 Exactly this.
They absolutely gutted his sustain and laning power with every change and then they are surprised that he's forced to play in lane with someone else because 1vs1 everyone shits on him. I remember when Swain could bully someone lvl 1 with his E alone and now he just tickles people
@@johnbretty3729for a champ to be balanced you need a baseline of what hes supposed to be able to do and what he will be placed against, its not good for a champ to be good ńowhere but ok anywhere, those champs that can be picked in diff lanes still have a primary one
@@johnbretty3729 Why not? When a champion is played in 3 lanes, means hes broken (in a good way) and can be flexed good. Swain is played in 3 lanes bc Riot doesn't let him have an identity, hes too weak for most top laners, like, fight a Darius, Riven, Tryndamere, Jax, Sett etc. in close range, you will regret it.
Then again on mid lane, mages outrange him hard, can clear waves better than he does bc they don't need to be close to it and assassins have an easy way with Swain.
On Support as well as the other ones, ask yourself, why would you play him support? What makes him good? Right, nothing, he has CC, so do a lot of others. His damage is bad compared to other mage supports aswell.
I miss his old ability were he drops that bird and it drains everything near it
same. I miss swain old abilities but I don't mind the new one's except they really couldn't fit beatrice in. I kinda wish they made his q just actually him firing Beatrice's essence out with it forming back on his shoulder during the cooldown. Or they could made his w something related to Beatrice.
I have an idea for swain, when he ult he can fly over walls
i don t think you should give him kayns E
Old swain is superior
bring back old
swain is already so cool, if they just make his e come out a little faster and give him the ability to follow up on cc again he'd be amazing
They didn't need to delete old swain imo. They should just bring it back. He was probably one of the most unique Champs with his toggle ultimate. His new ultimate feels too much like any other empowered v ultimate imo.
Also his basic abilities don't really mesh. He didn't need a long range sight ability thats on a high cd lol.
I wish they kept him as DoT battle mage instead of turning him into yet another burst mage.
My thoughts on old sion lol. Don't think he had the highest pick rate, but I felt that kit was so much more fun.
@@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken Back when you could play him AP with e on, AD with free infinite scaling hp from e to make up for lack of scaling, or tank
Now you just build 8000hp of items and spam R anytime someone stops your split push, amazing playstyle that totally isn't boring for everyone involved
@@ReikerForge Yup. The fact that inting sion can be viable just because of HP stacking and yeeting at turrets is mad wild lol.
Swains current ultimate was basically Maokais 1st reworked ultimate. Maokai is currently on his 3rd ultimate.
Give his e unlimited range and let you recall it like a draven ult
I miss original Swain kit. He was a master in zoning and control in skirmishes and had a decent side line, specially in buying time. I understand that the old R was unhealthy, but all his other skills were just fine and way more rewarding to what his kit proposed than it is now
Swain to me feels like a jack of all trades master of none, his damage is there but not significant, his defensive stats are there but not comparable to a tank he just kinda has a bit of everything but excels at not really much..
I just started playing Swain mid and I'm having a lot of fun, I will be very mad if they remove him from midlane. Also hope they still allow him to play botlane because it is very nice having a flex pick for when I get offroled
I actually like current swain, as a mid player 😢
Remember old swain? You use your bird and it slows enemies? I liked that swain!
just make the swain e like the anivia q, like he can reactivate it in the middle of the trajectory
Make him a REAL BATTLE MAGE. Not a mix of tank, mage, burst
As a swain main I think maxing the E detonate when it comes in contact with W would be so sick. It would give more skill expression and maybe make W a real spell
They should make his E ground targeted, like his old root, but with the pull/recast mechanic.
We're talking about god knows how many other reworks while Shyvana is still on the backburner ig
We need Vladimir VGU!
I hate his look in Wild Rift and how they got rid of his blood magic. I do want his VA from LoR because it's Silco's voice.
they prob gonna make him a full on stacking champ with stack scaling on his abilities, like asol or smolder
Old Swain was awsome, his ult was so unique... Since his q was changed to easy farm creeps pre 6 there were no needs for rework...
- They could make his passive more reliable, maybe gaining shards out of every ability, but lesser health per shard.
- Shards heal should be scaling with health and ap, not a flat amount.
- Also that E change where you can choose the travel range is very good, adding more versatility to his kit.
- His ult show be a toggle, ripping shards out of the enemies, instead of a heal scaling with ap.
I wish they bring back pre rework Q.. i miss birds in his gameplay
Swain works much better as a control mage midlane/apc pick than as a support. They need to make him more balanced in those roles because he just doesn't fit a good support niche. He doesn't have as much range/burst damage as xerath or lux, he doesn't have as much CC as naut, leona, or ali, and the only healing he provides is on himself. I would say he is most similar to brand, who provides tons of AoE burn damage over time with his abilities, except swain has to be on the frontlines to accomplish this, putting him in danger of being focused much earlier. He is powerful in 2v2s at level 6 and has a slightly cheaper build path than most mages, but that's about it as he starts falling off after a few items.
Speaking of his build, Swain's design philosophy also makes it unclear how to effectively build him. He is a drain tank mage, but because his ratios are so low, it is a waste of gold to go full AP. So, most Swain players opt for a hybrid build, starting with Liandry and Rylai's, then building situationally from there, usually zhonya's into tank items like abyssal or randuin's. The consequence of this however, is that Swain never leans too far into either role, which ultimately makes him weaker late game. Late game Swain isn't tanky enough to withstand burst/dps and he doesn't deal enough damage before dying inside a team fight even if you have close to 100 stacks. And because his healing amount scales with his AP you end up being way squishier by building for it, thus making the bonus healing effectively useless. I think this is where Swain starts to feel unsatisfying. I am curious if and how it will be addressed.
His whole shtick in lor is he damages stunned units.
This i think would be a logistically nightmare to balance.... But i think they should make his W stun, and his E instead of the pull thing, give him back his bird, but instead of what it was before, you can instead cast it to be placed next to stunned enemy and deal damage and a slow that way, kind of like before i guess... If you change the ult back to a toggle, have the ult empower the birds.. Q's range can then be extended and if the target is stunned or slowed, do that ripping out and draw thing his E currently does.
I'd scale back the globalness of his W to make this work though, but he'd be a artillery control mage this way, instead of whatever control tank thing he is now. You'd basically be doing damage from a far aslong as you hit that W.
So thats why he’s both in the teaser for aurora and the constellation for LoR, no wonder
can't believe swain will get rework before shyvana
Swain is in more need of a rework
Reworking champs that don't really need it 😅 and ksante ... Just delete him already and class his kit as a failure, a tank/assassin will never work. You will either be too tanky then be able to switch up into bursting your targets or not tanky enough that you can't get into your burst fast enough
Swain can do EVERYTHING but does 0 things well as it shoulds.
Passive needs a complete rework or maybe a different funtionality.
Q is ok, i dont really like the spell but ok.
W is jst.. wtf? Control spell which can be easily avoided, if u manage to hit the W the DMG is not even this crazy, has 2000 sec of cd cause the range is too big. HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO USE IT AS A CONTROL SPELL?
E is pure shit
R atm is ok but meh at the same time. Ugly on paper but when u use it is really cool. The changes made at least his ult look cool and menacing.
Tbh, Old swain kit was banger even for today's standards. They need to bring back some of his old mechanics tbh
A Very creative and Interesting way of modifying Swain, would be to make him Merge his Old Play style with his New One.
Imagine this, his Abilities Change between his Ultimate Form and Regular Form, and the focus of each "Kit" is to emphasize different aspects of his Character.
In his regular form, he could have his Old Q but Modernized in a way that isn't more enjoyable to use and less frustrating to get hit by;
His E could become his Old E, but still, somewhat modernized to today's standards.
THEN, when he's in his Ultimate Form he would get the Abilities he has Now, which much more fit the Style of Play his Current Ultimate Incentivizes.
Also, a Good Change to his current E would be to make it so it can be Recast while in Mid Air to slow down, charge up, and then Explode in a Larger Radius than it normally does.
It would make it more Difficult to dodge but more Skill Base to know when to use such a function, as doing so at the wrong time could make the Ability be easily evaded and telegraphed.
6 years... RIOT don't fix was wasn't broken. Old Swain was perfect but visually outdated with too much mystery and not enough solid answers in his lore. New Swain is just made of popular characters and tropes from 6 years ago. I've never watched Game Of Thrones and I never wanted it to usurp my bird man
I was a Swain main until last year. After the rework by @TheTruexy
his win rate went up not because of the new ult, but because of the reduced efficiency of Grievous wounds". Once everything was fixed - the champion went to the trash heap on all lanes. I wrote to @TheTruexy that it was because of bad E1-E2, that it was very slow, it couldn't be used with "flash", it didn't have normal damage and it was useless against melee champions. But Tim was having fun at some competitions - he didn't give a shit. And after they added the “new” champion Hwei - Swain against his background 30% of the character.
It's time to drop Swain support folks, he hasn't been a decent support as early as season 11. The 2 things that made him work were heavy engage support meta with Leona/Nautilus everywhere, the latter who gets absolutely bitchslapped all game... and itemization. The introduction of mythics forced Swain into expensive items that were worse for him than S10 Zhonya's, and it shifted the meta towards more enchanters.
Then came 12.10 with the durability patch and Electrocute died, weakening him even more. And then the midscope came and put more emphasis on his power as a skirmish draintank, something that needs resources to function. And with S14, heavy pokers became more prevalent with the Senna's, the Zyra's... abusing bloodsong or Zazzak and Swain hard loses to longer range. It's miserable to play Swain support nowadays.
I’m probably in the minority but I used to really enjoy swain back when his ult was 10 seconds and his demonflare was a NUKE if you succ enough. I really enjoyed the risk reward and the options, whereas current demonflare is “just use it as soon as it’s up/use it to confirm E”. I felt like I had to think about “ok, I could stay in ult and try to stay alive for my team, OR I could end my ult and try to make a fight wining play with the huge demonflare” and when you nuked 2-4 people it was soooo satisfying and often won the fight, BUT doing that is hella risky, since it took you out of ult form. I’m a Sett/Yone main, so I love explosions and huge damage, and I’m not sure if the actual swain players want that for their champ, but when I used to play a lotta swain, my favorite parts about him were the demonflare nuke, pulling someone in point blank and shotgunning them, and the ult visually looked badass
I really hope they arent bending over to make swain support good >.>
Swain is flat out just better midlane, imo. And his kit works way better from midlane than support - his R looks horribly out of place on a supp, too.
I actually really like Swain currently. Well, at least his kit. He struggles a lot to find his footing in the item system - used to be so much easier last season. Liandries was all the damage you need AND gave you mana. The new Blackfire Torch kinda sorta fills the same niche, but unlike liandries, it relies more on the AP scaling - and Swain doesnt scale that well on AP.
Aside from his item troubles, Id say his E is a bit... difficult. It feels too inconsistent. Its hittability is just too low - which can be fine(see his W, which is in a good spot), but he relies too much on E.
Still, I really hope they do not change Swain too much. I mean, not my fault so many players run it down playing swain supp lol
Another thing that could really help Swain out is going deeper into his status as an AP bruiser somehow. I dread riot turning him into yet another burst mage, dont think any Swain player would want to see that.
Swain's W should also be looked at. A sloth on Valium could dodge it while only paying half attention and even if he doesn't dodge it, the damage is pathetic with absolute shit scaling. On top of that, it's CD is super high. Riot said that this was because it was "a vision tool" but Lux's E gives vision, slows, can be detonated on command, has a CD that is _10 seconds less_ at all ranks AND it hits like a truck early and has 80% scaling! I mean come on Riot.
Just revert him
As a swain opt i think they should make him more enjoyable to play without relying on the ult. He feels very one dimensional by just building burn and going tanky 3 or 4th item. He has burst but if you actually go burst items you're kinda trolling, unless you are too far ahead where it doesn't matter what you build. To me the E is fine probably cuz im used to it but ive always wished it would extend with flash. It feels very clunky having to flash then throw the E where they can just dodge, dash out, or flash out themselves. Im excited to see what they cook up hopefully they dont burn the kitchen 💀
What? You already reworked him once, and he didn't even need a rework. How about you rework Vlad who actually needs it? If you want him to be a stronger champ just give him some armor and MR scaling...? So he can buy something to go with that bonus HP he's collecting.
The good old days of July 2022 when your passive was stacking 5 crows and after charging your ult you fired a burst of DMG. or Q which worked as a chain discharge on wave clear. yes, it was great to play mid, but you can't give 1vs9 today.
He is supposed to be a genius tactician with demonic powers, who looks far less dangerous than is.
Meanwhile ingame he's a basically a drive-by snack and a roadkill for any champ with mobility.
That should not be. He should be the one that shuts down fast and furious "main character syndrome" champs,
forcing the enemy to think many steps ahead lest they fall into his trap and suffer a slow, but sure end!
As a Swain enjoyer here and there, he is unfortunately afflicted by two issues at the same time. First being he has been powercrept and then some. The silly amount of MS and dashes everyone gets makes it hard to actually land his E and W unless its comboed off of someone. Second being that when he is strong he is legitimately oppressive, thanks to his R mainly, giving him high dps drain tank ability that would put Vladimir to shame. I would normally be inclined to say they could allocate power from his R elsewhere then make some tuning changes, but his R is kind of the iconic ability and what Swain is known most for.
Though at the very least they could in the mean time revert the passive change and let him click anyone to tug and soul steal.
I played old Swain and new Swain and old Swain had more consequential abilities while New Swain has more sustain spread through his kit and has a bit of burst in the early game. Old Swain felt more cohesive and was built around his ult better and was a genuine raid boss drain tank mage while new swains ult feels gimped for no reason.
put more power in his ult and add more CC to his W so it feels more satisfying to land.
another idea is to make his W an Anti-Invis/Camo/Stealth nuke that does more damage to enemies who are Invis/Camo/Stealth if you cast on them.
swain doesnt need a buff, the champions that have dashes need a nerf on their dashes. This is becoming just like overwatch with the dashes, it's ridiculous and annoying. You know that feeling when you are about to kill a healer in over watch 2 and they just escape/teleport for free like a jail out of free card? This is just like that. It's annoying.
I think Swain kit is correct now, just needs a bit more balance.
They could focus on unidirectional champs like warwick or trundle to make them more viable in higher ranks and not just change their stats to fit them in low elo and let them as cheeser champs for high elo to hard snowball or lose.
And even though trundle has some usage as anti tank frontline, warwick is just compleatly useless
Old swain Tyrant was so cool and with his special evil voice. His rework looks cool on the first sight. But he feels just not strong enough. By the way. Support swain my ass, swain Top was always a good to go before his rework. I still hope find its place. (Still hope fiora get fiora)
I feel as if his passive is overlooked. Its a great passive but all it does is give him hp. So maybe he can get some hp scalings in his kit. Like the dmg in his ult soley scales on ap. So it makes building full ap more rewarding on dmg. But the healing can scale on his hp so building tankier items makes it more rewarding on his survivability but then he deals less innitial damage but can even out since he can live longer. Or maybe give him some armor and mr in his passive too. Like every 100 stacks he gets 1 armor and mr. But i feel like they can make it so that if he goes support, giving him the hp scaling on abilities can help him be more utility in support and the ap scaling can be for mid
W should be changed to a static eye sending bolts to anyone nearby within 700 range and keep the same mechanics in long range. E should detonate on hit like Xeraths orb. Passive needs to regen mana and health like it used to. Ultimate should be toggable since hitting R and everyone runs away feels bad(remove R2). Also he sees what the crows sees.. so give him vision where they sit on tress and ledges
If they want to keep him support, I feel like if his Q was more utility focused (hard CC, shield, or maybe just a spell shield) and then retained his current Q when in ult to encourage the close range drain with a kit that is otherwise suited best for back line support
Already reworking Ksante - ✔
Had to rework yuumi and nerf her into the ground - ✔
Had to insta nerf Zeri ult after release - ✔
Akali after rework instant nerfed W because true stealth - ✔
Riot surely is very talented at making good champions.
People complaining about E is ridiculous in my opinion. It is not that hard to land and I only have 11 level mastery on Swain. It is easy to get used to it in a time period of six months. Guess I'll keep playing with the new mechanics then.
Another one? The Swain we have now is a remake. I can think of others needing it more. *cough cough* Malphite. Just saying. The rock man needs more. The fact people wanna play him full ap more than tank kinda ruins his whole entire character.
Just revert Swain R to old swain. Make passive able to pull again (instead of E). This would push him back to build ROA Tear and Liandrys.
E needs to be so we can press it again when we want it to come back. make his passive atleast an a4 worth or words. add so he gets a teleport when he gets a passive stack while in ult form., push back on Q, and if target is locked by E, can dash to target, W also gives enemies that hit the target %hp back depending on swains max health
why did people forget about amumu its a sad backstory and the visuals are already too old. swain is good now it has great skins the rework they did is still amazing even for 2024 like there are more champs that need reworks
Im in tean full revert swain to luke he was before rework, thats disgusting they completely changed swains kit and made him a support instead of mid, I feel bad to those who mained him mid and was forced to switch to support
i mean there's more champions that need a rework more than swain lmao. hes already strong and fun to play at is it, room for improvement yes but some champions don't even live up to today's standards and yet riot still don't touch them. its as if they don't even play their own game or something
I hope they make him more of a tank. I find it really unsatisfying to use ult on 5 enemies, and then die anyway because i have to have all ap items to be viable. He should be nigh unkillable if 5 people are in his ult range
Well they need to rework Sivir she is very weak early and late game she can do well only in team fights and she should At least be behind the team since she is very squishy most of her ability can be purchased from Items such as dashes and shield …
What about Mordekaiser? He also needs a rework to his kit. At this point, Swain got more reworks than Ryze/Zeir/Yuumi 😂
I always thought his E should be able to be canceled so it can actually grab people....... but his e is easily countered by people standing in front of minions 0-0
Yeah, it's funny how Swain is only in his current state because they kept nerfing the shit out of him.
I thought the infinite R was cool at first, but then I realized how boring and watered down it made his teamfighting. I'd like that to be reverted for sure.
i think the detonation is a good idea, but need the cc duration lower the closer to swain, like xerath E
or make his W timehit lower but take out the slow or just low the slow overall but cause he buys rylais almost all the time soo
I really disagree with the part where his E is hard to land, if you've played him enough you get used to it and it's not only easy to land but also satisfying to use ability no reason to change it at all
He is just not a midlaner anymore. His damage output is so bad that you can only pick him as supp, and even then you have to hope that you are gonna have any luck
I just hope they don't duck it all up like they did with Dr. Mundo. Swain really dosn't need too much of a change.
Tbh I think Swain is on a good spot in every mode except Summoner's Rift tho
I guess it's just his laning phase
Please make his R skill based...or remove the healing entirely. He doesn't need it...the only people who need it are the bad players who abuse him.
They.. just... Reworked him.. didn't they..? Is this the arcane rework? 😢 Instead of Viktor or singed? OOF
Nafiri needs a complete rework, both visual and on her kit, she needs to look more like "the thing" and less like a plushie squad
Make him stronger without R and nerf R it's socstupid when he gets Rylas and presses R seriously most champions can't beat that
wukong needs a rework for sure he is a forgotten champion he ha 49% winrate and 1.34% pick rate and 0.14% ban rate
I want original swain back😢
i'm belong to the 0.7%, what i would do is so that you can call your E back faster when you recast it
I think the E wouldn't even solve the main issue he has. On top lane, against any duelst/ juggernaut he loses in close combat, but his whole kit revolves around his ult and q being close range spells and on mid lane he gets outranged pretty easy. I think he has the problem that he has no identity, too weak for most melee champs and too weak on many ranged champs such as Xerath or Syndra etc. Riot already tried getting him out of support, but buffing E, I mean, what stops you from playing him as support again?
The idea, pretty sure, was to make him like Vlad, a beefy mage, only that compared to vlad he scales like shit and his scalings even when going full AP are horrible. A fed vlad can just emporer Q+E+ (R dmg amp) and a squishy is dead. Swain can't do that.
Riot doesnt want him to be less supporty. Most of Swains players are support players in low elo, even tho he sucks as a support
revert his E into Nevermove again and have his R be a toggle again. make his W similar to wild rift where it critically strikes with immobilized champions and you're good to go.
No. Toggle diminishes the value of ultimate
One major change would be his E would grab on first contact rather than on its way back. This would be op
Arcane change patch. Possibly Swain will make an appearance in S2.
Swain makes no sense in arcane if anyone from noxus would be in arcane it would be LeBlanc
@@pokemonlover4894 Urgot😈
@@DezmondReq urgot should already live in zaun
@@pokemonlover4894Swain could be implied to be the one Mel's family is running from, so it would make sense for him to show up
@PartofHistory214 no it's not implied to be swain at all and Mel's family is not running from anything her mom is still working for swain did you watch the show
awesome. nice woman we have as lead champ producer. Nafiri ksante released less than 2 years and they need rework XD
Personally I like the ult maybe remove the burst and make it do a better %burn, the problem is W and E that are just ass
Been mailing him mid since I started in season 8, I'd only see a change to his E honestly, otherwise I like his other abilities
So because hes unpopular, we have to have a rework?
Riot doesn’t ever seem to care for Swain mid…