@@stephenolotu5588 Yup. They belonged to Viserys and Daemon's parents. Vhagar belonged to Prince Baelon the Brave while Meleys was mounted by Princess Alyssa Targaryen.
Yes, but also bad writting. How should Vhagar hide right under the cliffs flying in full speed, unseen while beeing much bigger and less agile? It felt off how Meleys got killed. Like: I would neither have thought about such an impossible ambush, not counting in the enemies plot armor and all...
RIP The Queen Who Never Was and The Red Queen😢 Rhaenys was loyal to the Blacks, and Meleys was loyal to Rhaenys. They were my favorites of the show. Rhaenys was loyal to her dragon. The look they gave each other before they hit the ground was really heart breaking. It was like Meleys was saying, “I’m sorry mom, but I’m tired.” And Rhaenys was saying, “It’s okay sweet girl you can rest now.” To me this was a real dragon riders death. They were with each other until the very end.😢
one of my favorite dragons in the show :( Im going to hate the hightowers soo much because of them disrespecting Meleys like this later in ep 5, but I am going to console myself with the fact that Vhagar and Aemonds death is going to be soo satisfying when it finally happens :D
@@nicholasbourcier Well it was stated in the books Meleys DID stand a chance against Vhagar by herself, but with Sunfyre there death was certain. The show changed things slightly but canon wise she at least had a shot.
I think that dragons dont actually really care about other dragons, they probably care mostly about their rider only , seems like dragons basically become their riders trough some magic bond
Dragonstone was nearby, she could have flown back when Sunfyre fell and called for reinforcements. Vhagar would be no match against Meleys with Syrax, Vermax and Moondancer . It isn’t cowardice but a better tactical move.
You are correct but Sunfyre did burn Meleys a bit and who knows if the other lesser skilled dragons and riders can match Vhagar? What if Vhagar blows up Rhenyra or they do freindly fire? Too much Risk! Even if Vhagar dies it will take down atleast 3 dragons with it.
the only thing you could accuse Rhaenys for is that she didn't fully utilize Meleys speed advantage - she should have outmaneuvered the slow past-prime Vhagar by doing multiple quick attacks from different directions! When Vhagar was on the ground vulnerable, she should have burned Aemond from above and then going for Vhagar's neck...
There was alot of sand and smoke on the ground which could of given vhagar some cover to do a sneak attack, similar to how crocs ambush their prey, especially if she shot fire at her. But it still happened anyway due to vhagar’s experience and aemonds tactics
@@schoolofgrowthhacking I hate showmakers when they change a part like this, she just spared Aemond when she knocked her to the ground, how the fuck Vhagar got behind of the castle, she literally couldve retreated to safety who tf was gonna catch the fastest drake in the realm 200 years old Vhagar ? SO MANY MISTAKES in single fight boom version is clearly better.
She took to much time to return and there was a wall of smoke that hid Vhagar and the castle wasn't that far from her. What I wonder is how Vhagar took flight so fast, Maybe it was on the clift behind the castle, flying.
Vhagar maybe the biggest dragon but tactically she lacks agility & skills. Maybe its because of her age & huge size. Her only skill is chop the neck & that also by ambush. And that's why she couldn’t match Caraxes as his neck is elongated & serpentine with a very unique feature. Both Caraxes & Daemon is battle hardened & expert with agile combat skills. They together defeated Vhagar because as Daemon knew more about Caraxes as it was his late wife's dragon so he knew how she functions. And Daemon is definitely way more skilled then Aemond in warfare.
Vhagar is the oldest and largest dragon left in the series for a reason, so contrary to what people wanna believe, she has skills. She has the brute force of size, the experience that comes with age, and also an understanding that both size and age don’t make her as agile. So how does she substitute? The same way aging predators do: ambush tactics. Caraxes and Daemon are a unique pair in that Caraxes has an abnormal physique for a dragon and Daemon is well… Daemon. They’re a devastating pair.
I love how Meleys didn't even hesistate when given suicide order. Shows how strong the bond between seasoned rider and the dragon is, compared to let's say, Aegon and Vhagar.
It's not unbelievable at all, imo. Most large predators use ambush tactics, since they can't actively pursue nimbler prey. Lions, bears and sharks are huge, and it's frightening how well they can hide. It's really not crazy to suppose Vhagar, an ancient war dragon, would be a cunning hunter. Striking from above or below, hiding behind obstacles and minimizing noise while flying are all tactics you'd expect from a highly intelligent predator.
@@samg.5165 in this scene it was very unbelievable :D c'mon how did she even have time? Vhagar is supposed to be super,super heavy and thanks to that very slow and clumsy :D
@@HK-gm8pe I don't want to overanalyze the scene, but here I go. Meleys was leaving, then turned back to search for the other dragon through a huge cloud of smoke. At that point, Rhaenys was looking in every direction (including up at the clouds), meaning that she expected Vhagar might already be in the air. Vhagar didn't have to be the first to get up, nor did she need to be faster than Meleys. She only needed to glide low behind the cliffside until her prey flew into her trap (or simply left). I'll admit the timing was very (un)lucky, and Vhagar was in a near-perfect position to strike, but much weirder things have happened in this show.
One point for bravery, and three for tactical stupidity. Once Aegon was down, she should have left for Dragonstone at once. It would have been a strategic success for Team Black. She could have come back to hunt Aemond down at a later stage, with the assistance of Daemon and Caraxes. After all, Vhagar is the Greens' only dragon left (Haelena has one too, but she's clearly not a fighter). Also, after joining the fray again, she was very careless to fly past the castle, not knowing what could hide behind it. Wonderful character, Rhaenys, but she was almost begging to be killed.
Think from the point of Rhaenys.... 1)first of all she don't want to fly back to dragon stone like a coward. 2)She may feel that revenge for Lucerys that she controlled. 3) She came came to help the lord of Rook's Rest.(Still green's army and Vhagar is there. 4)Even if she went back to dragon stone in that situation....Vhagar may follow them back to dragon stone... There is Syrax, Vermax and Moon dancer and they are no match for Vhagar.. 5)Daemon and Caraxes are not there.... It is like pulling her other family members to the war immediately and it will be a total distruction of her house and her place......... If they fall, It will be a victory for Greens 6)She may think about her husband and love lord Corlys Valarion too......... He must be safe there... 7) All the council members of black council are there Dragon stone.. if they died... They may lose some of their allies
@@jithinraj1830 1) As I said, it was a brave, but poor choice. The only thing that matters in war is winning. 2) To get her revenge, she should have flown to King's Landing with Daemon as Daemon (correctly) suggested in the first episode. 3) She helped a lot. Ironically, by falling with her dragon on the castle walls, she ended up opening a breach that further helped the Greens win the siege. 4) Vhagar had no reason to follow. For all Aemond knew, in Dragonstone there could be other 4 dragon riders waiting for him. The whole point of his strategy was to take Rook's Rest to prevent the Blacks from landing on the continent, then leave for Harrenhal to gather more forces. Nothing more, nothing less. 5) Daemon and Caraxes were not there, so ... ? They could join forces later on.
@@davideiceman Their objective was to lure out a black dragon and kill it and not just take the castle! Vhagar would have burnt everything and utterly destroyed the castle anyways. The greens have an army but no ships so next they would go to harrenhall to cut off the other allies of blacks! If Rhenys backs down to Dragonstone, Vhagar the largest dragon could definately catch the dragon stone dragons and riders off-guard and it would be a time before they take flight! None of the other smaller dragons could stand a chance against Vhagar or do any damage to it, Even the riders were inexperienced. If syrax and Rhenyra went to battle, Aemond would do his best to target her. Vhagar is 2 times the size of any other dragon and can take on both syrax and Meleys effectively! Vhagar would utterly destroy dragonstone killing the blacks. If vhagar didn't follow Meleys to Dragonstone then it would be a good one, but Criston and Aemonds plan both in the books and the show was to lure out a Black dragon and take it down, so i doubt He (Aemond) will give Up Meleys so easily after the King fell and would not go empty handed. Rhenys didnt want to be a coward and tried to use her speed to damage Vhagar but she was ambushed
@@samanyupalthi My point is that Aemond would have never pursued Meleys to Dragonstone. If Aemond thought he could go straight to Dragonstone and kill the Blacks one by one, catching them by surprise, Cole and Aemond wouldn't have bothered to organize the ambush in the first place. Rhaenys could simply fly to Dragonstone and reach it safely - which was the smart thing to do. She didn't, and she was killed for it.
Thank you. I kept thinking if she just bailed after slamming Vhagar down into the ground and either A) came back with Rhenyra and Jace or B) just left, the blacks more or less win the engagement. They lose a small shore-side fort but the king, a good chunk of Cole's army and A FUCKING DRAGON are decimated. It tactically makes NO sense to continue fighting at all past Sunfyre's fall, but she really should have immediatelly bailed after the first skirmish with Vhagar. Especially since Daemon told her himself thathe needs her and it will take both Caraxes AND Meleys to kill Vhagar.
@AmiWhiteWolf that is really, REALLY not the same. She could have fallen off anytime when she rode them. The fact that she didn't is just bad writing. You cannot hold on with your puny hands on a dragon that is speeding up.
Nah , the next dragon battle will be in the finale of the next season , they mostly fought on land and sea . Blacks had the Tullys , Blackwoods , Arryns and the Greyjoy , Velaryon fleet . Greens had the Lannisters , Baratheons , Brackens , Hightower and the Redwyne fleet plus the Triarchy . They were even
Imagine being this stupid. The whole point of the story is practically slapping you in the face and you still miss it. Also, by that argument, we could say that this whole war is due to Arrax (whose fire attack on Vhagar, which Lucerys hadn't ordered, provoked Vhagar).
Nah... Up until Danny resurrected her 3 dragons with Blood Magic in the Game of Thrones, all of the dragons were extinct. That should tell you everything you need to know about being "even."
We are going to ignore that Daeron and Tessarion go with the Hightower army, we are also going to ignore the Lannister army and Baratheon. Rhaenyra's army is scattered and Daemon has not yet built it. While Criston already has a larger army. Team Black are losing the war and it's not just because of vaghar. They are fools lacking military tactics. If they wanted to win they should hurry up to build the queen's army instead of wasting time.
I guess this means Rhaenys was fireproof given how she emerged sooty but unburnt after multiple blasts from Vhagar (unlike Sunfyre whose wing went up in flames).
Rhaenys knew she was expendable; there was no way she was going into this battle without accepting all the risks; Melys was the most experienced in warfare of the dragons on the Blacks side, she said so herself. Her death is supposed to be the push thaat Rhaenyra utilizes; now that the war between dragons has begun, there is no turning back *Id also like to add its a different kind of thrilling, watching this, having already read the "Dance of the Dragons". Knowing the source material and watching it unfold feels like a surreal experience
Meleys was the most experienced together with Caraxes. She should have listened to Daemon and attack together. Vhagar would be dead and battle would be as good as won. But i respect her bravery.
Many people are praising Rhaenys here, while an experienced dragon rider as her should have known that leaving the battle after Vhagar burned her and Aegon was her best option. She could have survived this with the result of crippling an enemy dragon, maybe even see the green king fall to his death and fight on an other day. Aemond has to turn Vhagar to face her. He wasn´t even chasing her. Her dragon was wounded and not in the best shape to take on the oldest, biggest and physically strongest dragon on this battlefield. Yeah she has guts and all, and her and Meleys fight and death was very cool, but it was also incredibly stupid.
@@XxDeathxX509bro I don't know what you thinking, if Vhagar comes to Dragonstone, it's game over for Greens. Rhaenyra doesn't want to commit her sons for the battle against Vhagar, but if Vhagar comes anyway, they will also go fight. That means there will be too many dragons, Vhagar will have her hands full trying to deal with Meleys while syrax nips at its heels. Aemond is dead guaranteed and Vhagar probably brings down one or two dragons before it also goes down from the wounds Meleys and Syrax inflict on it. That means Daemon will have Caraxes free, and the Greens only have Dreamfyre and Tessarion. Dreamfyre is useless since Heleana hasn't recover mentally and Caraxes will eat Tessarion for Breakfast. Aegon will take too long to heal up, Daemon would have taken out the Green armies. By the end, Aegon is finished.
99% of people didn't notice that vhagar broke Meleys leg when she grabbed her. I've been trying to point it out on other channels to make people aware of it. Vhagar tried to drag meleys down to the ground, knowing meleys would be unable to take flight again with her broken leg.
I was honestly really hoping that Meleys would give Vhagar more of a fight and not just get...grabbed immediately? Like, she's canonically one of the fastest dragons, she should have been flying circles around Vhagar. I knew the outcome had to be the same, but still...anyway RIP Queens
Seems like Vhagar's experience was the difference here. She was 180 years old and had been in many many battles. So she knew that she needed to get airborne again quickly and take advantage of all the smoke and chaos from the crash. Interesting that they don't show Aemond giving her any commands in that sequence, as if she was on autopilot and knew what she had to do to defeat Meleys and Rhaenys (both of whom were relatively inexperienced when it came to actual battle in comparison to Vhagar).
They changed the fight from the source material. After Aegon and Sunfyre went down, she should have 100% went back. That would have given her a chance to team up with Deamon & Caraxes. In the books, once the fight started... there was no way for her to get away. All three dragons fell at once, only Vhagar got up unscathed. They changed it to where Aegon was taken out with no damage to Meleys... you 100% go back to Dragonstone after that.
It’s a shame for the lord in Rook’s Rest but Rhaenys already basically won the war by taking out Aegon. So I agree she should’ve left. I seriously think however that we’re supposed to interpret Rhaenys as very honourable and that she won’t abandon an ally no matter how irrelevant to the overall war they are. It’s also why she didn’t take out all the greens and start the war in season 1. She just doesn’t do underhanded things.
Soldiers being smashed underfoot of vhagar as she hastily ran to get back into the sky and hide. Apparently in the book vhagar took meleys' head clean off but instead she just crushed her neck
Rhaenys suprised me, because she was always soft-spoken. But she was a absolute warrior till the end, not even panicking or afraid when faced with surtain death.
They should have stuck to books where both sunfyre and Vhagar gets locked with Meleys in a tousle of fire and Meleys burns Sunfyre and wounds Vhagar before biting dust.That would be badass as the red dragon was fiery and fast
Excluding the book and going just off the episode, it is apparent that Meleys is exhaused and her flight is labored after the intial engagement with Sunfyre and Vhagar. With a broken leg and slowed flight, it seems the only option was to turn back and try to end it for good bc im not sure that Meleys could have out run Vhagar at that point. Likely what the moment between Dragon and rider alluded to. I understand the sentiment of Rhaenys beleving herself expendable etc, but I think it is more she understood, after her moment with Meleys, she wasnt making it out regardless.
FYI Before, Rhaenys, Meleys was Princess Alyssa's dragon while Vaghar was once mounted by Prince Baelon. Both were the parents of Viserys I and Daemon...
Why is every youtube comment stating the most obvious stuff about the scene we all just literally watched? "Her dragon is so obedient" "Wow they both knew they were gonna fall in battle" like yeah bro I just watched the same thing you did thanks
Rhaenyra's suspicion (attacking the Rooks Rest by Greens made no sense) was right. The Greens wanted to lure (any) dragons of team Black. They (Aemond/Cole) thought, that the only way to kill black´s dragon/dragons was to use Vhagar. Of course it is dumb and non-tactical thinking (for example: it would have been enough if Caraxes had also arrived). So, Rhaenyra should have sent only spies (and use them much more frequently too) to Rooks Rest and then attacked and ocuppy the low guarded Kings Landing. Until then, Kings Landing was guarded by Vhagar and other smaller dragons.
Очень жаль Рейнис и Милеис. Вхагар все же сильная и огромная,свирепая и опытная. С ней сложно бороться. Прав был Деймон,что вдвоем у Караксеса и Милеис был шанс справиться с Вхагар
Part of the rider goes into the dragon, and part of the dragon goes into the rider. The last shadow of a memory of Laena Velaryon - who rode Vhagar before Aemond - just killed her mom Rhaenys. A generation before, Vhagar and Meleys were ridden by Viserys and Daemon's parents: the siblings Baelon and Alyssa. So many familicides in one moment. 😥
I cried my eyes out! Perhaps Rhaenys had a broken heart after meeting her husband’s illegitimate son and decided she didn’t want to go back and face it. She loved and adored Meleys. She wanted her to go out being a true badass! I will miss them both.
Bother anybody else that Vhaegar/Aemond let Rhaenys/Melys go and they just came back to try for the sake of trying? Aemond was looking over Sunfire and Aegon. Wouldn’t you go back to Dragonstone and say “one down, one to go”?
Она себя приковала! Будь что будет я с тобой до конца! По началу я думал она специально чтобы не выпасть при маневрах. Но она реально доконца осталась с ней!
After thinking about it and inspecting their reactions. I am pretty sure Rhaenys really thought the fall had killed Vhagar... She smiled at Meleys after the first round like "yeah girl... I think we did it haha" and then went to see the aftermath but then realised Vhagar wasn't there so she panicked and looked everywhere, but it was already too late as she was already near the castle and Vhagar snatched her...
Rhaenys was almost at the end of her life. It was very selfish of her to commit a double suicide with a dragon in its best years. Meleys could have lived another 100 years. But no, lets both die...
The reason vhaegar is an ambush type dragon is because she used to be the littlest of the three balerion was an actual leviathan it's impressive she can still do that at her size rn shows skill, anyway rest in peace and hail the king Aegon, long may he reign
Aemond was shocked that rhaenys was dumb enough to come back for more ...anyway I have no sympathy for fools she should have waited for caraxes before attacking vhagar
She wasn’t dumb enough, she just wasn’t a coward. She knew she was expendable and she still injured Vhagar and honestly could have taken out Vhagar if she didn’t ambush her
@@kieuvu-kayser5624 it means i am being sarcastic. Just cz someone thinks they are expendable doeant mean u jump in a battle and die. Her death caused a vaccum in team black. Which eventually leads to downfall They dint listen to deamon when he suggested to attack together and went one by one seperately to die. Thats called foolishness not bravery
Yoooo so rhaenys tightening her shit before she goes into battle and she falls to her death I bet we will see the exact opposite from daemon and that's how he kills aemond after vhagars rips into ceraxes
I mean, can you blame them? These are as close to gods that they can see with their own eyes. Now, I'm not saying dragons are gods per se, but the soldiers are still human, after all. They would be awed by this. Completely. In a way, it's similar to armies stopping to watch two champions fight. There are even examples of that happening in history.
She should've thought of that cliff/castle. She and Meleys were skimming the water before re-engaging vhagar so it was the perfect spot for Vhagar's enormous size to hide... I always say in thriller/etc shows, ppl never look up. In this case, it's down
I thought it was all over when in the first clash with vhagar but Rhaenys has shown her experience and brought Aemond down. and it was an ambush strike finished her.. dragon fight was fun to watch even if it was short
I did not like the ambush that killed Meleys. How should Vhagar hide just under the cliffs (flying) and wait for Meleys unseen, while she pinpoints the attack? That is not what I expected from a 'brute force' dragon. I know: The writters wanted it like that. No further explanation needed. But still, that felt a bit like bad writting although overall I still liked the episode and battle very much.
Of course he hide his dragon behind a giant castle to spring up from as a surprise attack and bite the other dragon thru the neck with his own dragon, so he took advantage of 2 weaknesses at the same time.
I love how they make dragons intelligent on here and even on game of thrones. if you looked closer when Meleys scratches Aegon dragon's chest and rips it open a sort of liquid comes outs witch I am pretty sure is the flammable substants that makes them breath fire and you can tell that meleys knows that because she does the same move again at vhagar but her skin was too thick for serious damage. which tells how smart and experience she is with combat especially with other dragons.
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I wonder why people keep criticising Rhaenys for continuing to fight (with insert otherwise logical argument here) despite the show showing twice that she had the opportunity to leave and decided not to, so it's clear she knows the consequences. I would argue that it was, not metaphorically, a suicide. Think about it, half her family is dead, including all of her children, so she is suffering unimaginable grief. Her husband refuses to accept her granddaughters as heirs, which only revealed that he never cared about her personal claim to the iron throne, as the eldest female heir, but only to further his own political power. What's more Rhaenyra says peace is now impossible so she knows whatever happens, everyone might as well be dead. She saw Aegon (the Green's proclaimed king) fall to his apparent death and so decided to go down fighting instead of continuing living with her grief
The look between Meleys and Rhaenys says it all.
"Looks like this is the end. It's been an honour."
In meantime, daemon got high from harrenhal VR
A few decades ago Meleys and Vhagar flew together as companions, their riders being a couple
Wait seriously
@@stephenolotu5588 yeah did you not read/watch it?
@@stephenolotu5588 Viserys and Daemon's parents (Alyssa & Baelon).
@@stephenolotu5588
Yup. They belonged to Viserys and Daemon's parents.
Vhagar belonged to Prince Baelon the Brave while Meleys was mounted by Princess Alyssa Targaryen.
This makes it so much worse 😭
This is a great example for why you should never let your enemy out of your sight.
my thoughts exactly 😰
Yes, but also bad writting. How should Vhagar hide right under the cliffs flying in full speed, unseen while beeing much bigger and less agile? It felt off how Meleys got killed. Like: I would neither have thought about such an impossible ambush, not counting in the enemies plot armor and all...
RIP The Queen Who Never Was and The Red Queen😢 Rhaenys was loyal to the Blacks, and Meleys was loyal to Rhaenys. They were my favorites of the show. Rhaenys was loyal to her dragon. The look they gave each other before they hit the ground was really heart breaking. It was like Meleys was saying, “I’m sorry mom, but I’m tired.” And Rhaenys was saying, “It’s okay sweet girl you can rest now.” To me this was a real dragon riders death. They were with each other until the very end.😢
Yes. 💔😭😭😭👸👑🐲❤🔥
💔💔💔
can not wait for the Battle of the God´s eye. Presuming they do not change it in the show.
Ну блииин ваши слова аж до слез задели ❤😢😭
Mine too this devastated me. Idk why I'm even here rewatching it like it won't break my heart over again.
I haven't been this sad over a CGI character dying since Shiva in the walking dead 😭🥹😭
Same❤
I'm going to miss these two. Meleys especially. She was beautiful and a badass.
vhagar was better. Actually, it was dumb they even showed Meleys having a fighting chance.
one of my favorite dragons in the show :( Im going to hate the hightowers soo much because of them disrespecting Meleys like this later in ep 5, but I am going to console myself with the fact that Vhagar and Aemonds death is going to be soo satisfying when it finally happens :D
@@nicholasbourcier Well it was stated in the books Meleys DID stand a chance against Vhagar by herself, but with Sunfyre there death was certain. The show changed things slightly but canon wise she at least had a shot.
That expression as she told Meleys to attack.. seemed like she knew how that was going to end.
Meleys is very wise and loyal to its owner. Vhaga is much bigger than it, but it still listens to its owner and attacks Vhaga.
I think that dragons dont actually really care about other dragons, they probably care mostly about their rider only , seems like dragons basically become their riders trough some magic bond
Dragonstone was nearby, she could have flown back when Sunfyre fell and called for reinforcements. Vhagar would be no match against Meleys with Syrax, Vermax and Moondancer . It isn’t cowardice but a better tactical move.
You are correct but Sunfyre did burn Meleys a bit and who knows if the other lesser skilled dragons and riders can match Vhagar?
What if Vhagar blows up Rhenyra or they do freindly fire? Too much Risk!
Even if Vhagar dies it will take down atleast 3 dragons with it.
She knew flying off to battle that there was a chance she wouldn't return. All warriors do.
Syrax may have been of some help, but the other two would have been useless against Vhaegar, they are far too small.
@@nategraham6946 Only need one to snatch Aemond off the back!
@@CordlessJet549 In theory I would agree. But we have seen Vhaegar being surprisingly quick at snatching other dragons.
They killed it with the background music. The music when she fly's over the water just perfectly captures our emotion
the only thing you could accuse Rhaenys for is that she didn't fully utilize Meleys speed advantage - she should have outmaneuvered the slow past-prime Vhagar by doing multiple quick attacks from different directions! When Vhagar was on the ground vulnerable, she should have burned Aemond from above and then going for Vhagar's neck...
Facts
That's now how it happened in the books though, the two dragons teamed up on her
Und meleys war erschöpft und müde😢. Sie hätte gegen vahgar keine Chance gehabt 😢
There was alot of sand and smoke on the ground which could of given vhagar some cover to do a sneak attack, similar to how crocs ambush their prey, especially if she shot fire at her. But it still happened anyway due to vhagar’s experience and aemonds tactics
@@schoolofgrowthhacking I hate showmakers when they change a part like this, she just spared Aemond when she knocked her to the ground, how the fuck Vhagar got behind of the castle, she literally couldve retreated to safety who tf was gonna catch the fastest drake in the realm 200 years old Vhagar ? SO MANY MISTAKES in single fight boom version is clearly better.
How did vaghar got up, so fast and hid behind the castle without no one realizing, even the soldiers in the castle 😅
This is very true and Rhaenys didn't saw it at all. It's like a plane just goes unnoticed behind a castle....
Vhagar is so big that she can probably sort of thrust herself that high sort of like a cobra.
She took to much time to return and there was a wall of smoke that hid Vhagar and the castle wasn't that far from her. What I wonder is how Vhagar took flight so fast, Maybe it was on the clift behind the castle, flying.
Vhagar maxxed stealth
@@danteabaddon even if there's a lot of smoke, the flapping of vhagars wings alone can clear up the smoke in no time
Vhagar maybe the biggest dragon but tactically she lacks agility & skills. Maybe its because of her age & huge size. Her only skill is chop the neck & that also by ambush. And that's why she couldn’t match Caraxes as his neck is elongated & serpentine with a very unique feature. Both Caraxes & Daemon is battle hardened & expert with agile combat skills. They together defeated Vhagar because as Daemon knew more about Caraxes as it was his late wife's dragon so he knew how she functions. And Daemon is definitely way more skilled then Aemond in warfare.
Vhagar was also Daemon's father's dragon
Vhagar is too old to apply the tactics but it has tactics that’s why it was survived a larger time in the battles.
Vhagar is the oldest and largest dragon left in the series for a reason, so contrary to what people wanna believe, she has skills. She has the brute force of size, the experience that comes with age, and also an understanding that both size and age don’t make her as agile. So how does she substitute? The same way aging predators do: ambush tactics.
Caraxes and Daemon are a unique pair in that Caraxes has an abnormal physique for a dragon and Daemon is well… Daemon. They’re a devastating pair.
Stealth is a skill y’all don’t understand this
@@shizu2531 Vhagar maybe secretly plays with Skyrim
R.I. P. To the Queen the Realm Deserved and The Red Queen Meleys. Both went out like valiant Boss Ladies 💜💜
The sign of a true warrior. Rhaenys knew this was the end. She and her companion went out fighting, taking out the enemy with them.
I love how Meleys didn't even hesistate when given suicide order. Shows how strong the bond between seasoned rider and the dragon is, compared to let's say, Aegon and Vhagar.
She had no chance against Aemond and she knew it.
*Vhagar
I find it unbelievable that a huge dragon like Vhagar could get the jump on her like that
So happy to see more people saying this. As if we use 747s for stealth bombing 😂😂😂
It's not unbelievable at all, imo. Most large predators use ambush tactics, since they can't actively pursue nimbler prey. Lions, bears and sharks are huge, and it's frightening how well they can hide.
It's really not crazy to suppose Vhagar, an ancient war dragon, would be a cunning hunter. Striking from above or below, hiding behind obstacles and minimizing noise while flying are all tactics you'd expect from a highly intelligent predator.
@@samg.5165 in this scene it was very unbelievable :D c'mon how did she even have time? Vhagar is supposed to be super,super heavy and thanks to that very slow and clumsy :D
@@HK-gm8pe I don't want to overanalyze the scene, but here I go.
Meleys was leaving, then turned back to search for the other dragon through a huge cloud of smoke. At that point, Rhaenys was looking in every direction (including up at the clouds), meaning that she expected Vhagar might already be in the air.
Vhagar didn't have to be the first to get up, nor did she need to be faster than Meleys. She only needed to glide low behind the cliffside until her prey flew into her trap (or simply left). I'll admit the timing was very (un)lucky, and Vhagar was in a near-perfect position to strike, but much weirder things have happened in this show.
One point for bravery, and three for tactical stupidity. Once Aegon was down, she should have left for Dragonstone at once. It would have been a strategic success for Team Black.
She could have come back to hunt Aemond down at a later stage, with the assistance of Daemon and Caraxes. After all, Vhagar is the Greens' only dragon left (Haelena has one too, but she's clearly not a fighter).
Also, after joining the fray again, she was very careless to fly past the castle, not knowing what could hide behind it.
Wonderful character, Rhaenys, but she was almost begging to be killed.
Think from the point of Rhaenys....
1)first of all she don't want to fly back to dragon stone like a coward.
2)She may feel that revenge for Lucerys that she controlled.
3) She came came to help the lord of Rook's Rest.(Still green's army and Vhagar is there.
4)Even if she went back to dragon stone in that situation....Vhagar may follow them back to dragon stone... There is Syrax, Vermax and Moon dancer and they are no match for Vhagar..
5)Daemon and Caraxes are not there.... It is like pulling her other family members to the war immediately and it will be a total distruction of her house and her place......... If they fall, It will be a victory for Greens
6)She may think about her husband and love lord Corlys Valarion too......... He must be safe there...
7) All the council members of black council are there Dragon stone.. if they died... They may lose some of their allies
@@jithinraj1830 1) As I said, it was a brave, but poor choice. The only thing that matters in war is winning.
2) To get her revenge, she should have flown to King's Landing with Daemon as Daemon (correctly) suggested in the first episode.
3) She helped a lot. Ironically, by falling with her dragon on the castle walls, she ended up opening a breach that further helped the Greens win the siege.
4) Vhagar had no reason to follow. For all Aemond knew, in Dragonstone there could be other 4 dragon riders waiting for him. The whole point of his strategy was to take Rook's Rest to prevent the Blacks from landing on the continent, then leave for Harrenhal to gather more forces. Nothing more, nothing less.
5) Daemon and Caraxes were not there, so ... ? They could join forces later on.
@@davideiceman Their objective was to lure out a black dragon and kill it and not just take the castle! Vhagar would have burnt everything and utterly destroyed the castle anyways.
The greens have an army but no ships so next they would go to harrenhall to cut off the other allies of blacks!
If Rhenys backs down to Dragonstone, Vhagar the largest dragon could definately catch the dragon stone dragons and riders off-guard and it would be a time before they take flight!
None of the other smaller dragons could stand a chance against Vhagar or do any damage to it, Even the riders were inexperienced.
If syrax and Rhenyra went to battle, Aemond would do his best to target her. Vhagar is 2 times the size of any other dragon and can take on both syrax and Meleys effectively!
Vhagar would utterly destroy dragonstone killing the blacks.
If vhagar didn't follow Meleys to Dragonstone then it would be a good one, but Criston and Aemonds plan both in the books and the show was to lure out a Black dragon and take it down, so i doubt He (Aemond) will give Up Meleys so easily after the King fell and would not go empty handed.
Rhenys didnt want to be a coward and tried to use her speed to damage Vhagar but she was ambushed
@@samanyupalthi My point is that Aemond would have never pursued Meleys to Dragonstone.
If Aemond thought he could go straight to Dragonstone and kill the Blacks one by one, catching them by surprise, Cole and Aemond wouldn't have bothered to organize the ambush in the first place.
Rhaenys could simply fly to Dragonstone and reach it safely - which was the smart thing to do. She didn't, and she was killed for it.
Thank you. I kept thinking if she just bailed after slamming Vhagar down into the ground and either A) came back with Rhenyra and Jace or B) just left, the blacks more or less win the engagement. They lose a small shore-side fort but the king, a good chunk of Cole's army and A FUCKING DRAGON are decimated. It tactically makes NO sense to continue fighting at all past Sunfyre's fall, but she really should have immediatelly bailed after the first skirmish with Vhagar. Especially since Daemon told her himself thathe needs her and it will take both Caraxes AND Meleys to kill Vhagar.
They really did watch “How to Train Your Dragon” while making this show. She even has a Hiccup battle harness.
Yess
It's from the books, i don't know why in GOT Daenerys don't have the saddle
She learned to ride horses with her late husband so she was skilled to hang on
@@user-ho5rz2up3bher ass is battle hardened
@AmiWhiteWolf that is really, REALLY not the same. She could have fallen off anytime when she rode them. The fact that she didn't is just bad writing. You cannot hold on with your puny hands on a dragon that is speeding up.
The ONLY reason the greens are in this war is vhagar.
The blacks are the true rulers and long by the Queen reign
Nah , the next dragon battle will be in the finale of the next season , they mostly fought on land and sea . Blacks had the Tullys , Blackwoods , Arryns and the Greyjoy , Velaryon fleet . Greens had the Lannisters , Baratheons , Brackens , Hightower and the Redwyne fleet plus the Triarchy . They were even
Imagine being this stupid. The whole point of the story is practically slapping you in the face and you still miss it.
Also, by that argument, we could say that this whole war is due to Arrax (whose fire attack on Vhagar, which Lucerys hadn't ordered, provoked Vhagar).
Nah... Up until Danny resurrected her 3 dragons with Blood Magic in the Game of Thrones, all of the dragons were extinct. That should tell you everything you need to know about being "even."
We are going to ignore that Daeron and Tessarion go with the Hightower army, we are also going to ignore the Lannister army and Baratheon.
Rhaenyra's army is scattered and Daemon has not yet built it. While Criston already has a larger army.
Team Black are losing the war and it's not just because of vaghar. They are fools lacking military tactics. If they wanted to win they should hurry up to build the queen's army instead of wasting time.
Arrax fired first.
Vhagar still kicking ass despite her age, man is she awesome
There's always a dragon out there bigger then Vhagar.
@@chriswood1210 your mom doesn't count
@@chriswood1210and they're all dead though.
Not bad for over 180 years old lol
Oh was I screaming “don’t go over the castle! It’s an ambush!”
Attack, Meleys. And then she turns around, we all know she dies and the music kicks in. This was one of the greatest scenes ever.
The crazy part is that Aemond was circling his brother before she spun the block.
I guess this means Rhaenys was fireproof given how she emerged sooty but unburnt after multiple blasts from Vhagar (unlike Sunfyre whose wing went up in flames).
I was thinking about it frankly!
Rhaenys knew she was expendable; there was no way she was going into this battle without accepting all the risks; Melys was the most experienced in warfare of the dragons on the Blacks side, she said so herself.
Her death is supposed to be the push thaat Rhaenyra utilizes; now that the war between dragons has begun, there is no turning back
*Id also like to add its a different kind of thrilling, watching this, having already read the "Dance of the Dragons". Knowing the source material and watching it unfold feels like a surreal experience
Meleys was the most experienced together with Caraxes. She should have listened to Daemon and attack together. Vhagar would be dead and battle would be as good as won. But i respect her bravery.
She just became a martyr for Rhaenyra's cause
This episode proves Rhaenys is the best dragon rider in the dance.
Many people are praising Rhaenys here, while an experienced dragon rider as her should have known that leaving the battle after Vhagar burned her and Aegon was her best option. She could have survived this with the result of crippling an enemy dragon, maybe even see the green king fall to his death and fight on an other day.
Aemond has to turn Vhagar to face her. He wasn´t even chasing her. Her dragon was wounded and not in the best shape to take on the oldest, biggest and physically strongest dragon on this battlefield. Yeah she has guts and all, and her and Meleys fight and death was very cool, but it was also incredibly stupid.
She didn’t know that. To leave vhagar like that is to give her the chance to follow her home. If she does that its game over for the blacks
@@XxDeathxX509bro I don't know what you thinking, if Vhagar comes to Dragonstone, it's game over for Greens.
Rhaenyra doesn't want to commit her sons for the battle against Vhagar, but if Vhagar comes anyway, they will also go fight.
That means there will be too many dragons, Vhagar will have her hands full trying to deal with Meleys while syrax nips at its heels.
Aemond is dead guaranteed and Vhagar probably brings down one or two dragons before it also goes down from the wounds Meleys and Syrax inflict on it.
That means Daemon will have Caraxes free, and the Greens only have Dreamfyre and Tessarion.
Dreamfyre is useless since Heleana hasn't recover mentally and Caraxes will eat Tessarion for Breakfast.
Aegon will take too long to heal up, Daemon would have taken out the Green armies. By the end, Aegon is finished.
Meleys as she gazed to Rhaenys
- Till the end, with you .
Made me cry😭
Vhager always catching his opponents unaware
2:06 meleys's right leg injured.
99% of people didn't notice that vhagar broke Meleys leg when she grabbed her. I've been trying to point it out on other channels to make people aware of it. Vhagar tried to drag meleys down to the ground, knowing meleys would be unable to take flight again with her broken leg.
Good spot. I didn't notice that, but you can see its dangling and kind of floppy
Rest in Glory to the Queen Who Never Was and to Meleys the Red Queen 🖤🖤🖤
I was honestly really hoping that Meleys would give Vhagar more of a fight and not just get...grabbed immediately? Like, she's canonically one of the fastest dragons, she should have been flying circles around Vhagar. I knew the outcome had to be the same, but still...anyway RIP Queens
Seems like Vhagar's experience was the difference here. She was 180 years old and had been in many many battles. So she knew that she needed to get airborne again quickly and take advantage of all the smoke and chaos from the crash. Interesting that they don't show Aemond giving her any commands in that sequence, as if she was on autopilot and knew what she had to do to defeat Meleys and Rhaenys (both of whom were relatively inexperienced when it came to actual battle in comparison to Vhagar).
The result of thie fight wpuld be completely diffrent if daemon was just here with rhaenys instead fighting ghosts
She literally handled it I don’t think there were any options besides running. She has the fastest dragon and the most war born.
Honestly wish we went back to dragon stone and didn’t attack vhagar. Was so sad to watch them both die
They changed the fight from the source material. After Aegon and Sunfyre went down, she should have 100% went back. That would have given her a chance to team up with Deamon & Caraxes. In the books, once the fight started... there was no way for her to get away. All three dragons fell at once, only Vhagar got up unscathed. They changed it to where Aegon was taken out with no damage to Meleys... you 100% go back to Dragonstone after that.
It’s a shame for the lord in Rook’s Rest but Rhaenys already basically won the war by taking out Aegon. So I agree she should’ve left.
I seriously think however that we’re supposed to interpret Rhaenys as very honourable and that she won’t abandon an ally no matter how irrelevant to the overall war they are. It’s also why she didn’t take out all the greens and start the war in season 1. She just doesn’t do underhanded things.
Can you think of another way to rally the troops. Just like Colsons death got the Avengers together
Soldiers being smashed underfoot of vhagar as she hastily ran to get back into the sky and hide. Apparently in the book vhagar took meleys' head clean off but instead she just crushed her neck
Rhaenys suprised me, because she was always soft-spoken.
But she was a absolute warrior till the end, not even panicking or afraid when faced with surtain death.
They should have stuck to books where both sunfyre and Vhagar gets locked with Meleys in a tousle of fire and Meleys burns Sunfyre and wounds Vhagar before biting dust.That would be badass as the red dragon was fiery and fast
Excluding the book and going just off the episode, it is apparent that Meleys is exhaused and her flight is labored after the intial engagement with Sunfyre and Vhagar. With a broken leg and slowed flight, it seems the only option was to turn back and try to end it for good bc im not sure that Meleys could have out run Vhagar at that point. Likely what the moment between Dragon and rider alluded to. I understand the sentiment of Rhaenys beleving herself expendable etc, but I think it is more she understood, after her moment with Meleys, she wasnt making it out regardless.
The courage they had to attack 3 times larger war crime on wings and survive the first attack taking vhagar to the ground!
FYI Before, Rhaenys, Meleys was Princess Alyssa's dragon while Vaghar was once mounted by Prince Baelon. Both were the parents of Viserys I and Daemon...
Why is every youtube comment stating the most obvious stuff about the scene we all just literally watched? "Her dragon is so obedient" "Wow they both knew they were gonna fall in battle" like yeah bro I just watched the same thing you did thanks
Rhaenyra's suspicion (attacking the Rooks Rest by Greens made no sense) was right. The Greens wanted to lure (any) dragons of team Black. They (Aemond/Cole) thought, that the only way to kill black´s dragon/dragons was to use Vhagar. Of course it is dumb and non-tactical thinking (for example: it would have been enough if Caraxes had also arrived). So, Rhaenyra should have sent only spies (and use them much more frequently too) to Rooks Rest and then attacked and ocuppy the low guarded Kings Landing. Until then, Kings Landing was guarded by Vhagar and other smaller dragons.
Очень жаль Рейнис и Милеис. Вхагар все же сильная и огромная,свирепая и опытная. С ней сложно бороться. Прав был Деймон,что вдвоем у Караксеса и Милеис был шанс справиться с Вхагар
Вдвоем они бы спокойно убили её и Эймонда, даже в соло Деймон справился
@@hlzaa421 Difficult, he admits he won't be able to take vhagar down on his own
I know it would never happen but Vermithor would literally obliterate Vaghar. At least with a rookie like Aemond as a rider.
Vermithor is my favorite for sure
Vermithor was a let down in Fire and blood
You saw what the rookie did
"I am sorry mom" T.T
When two nuclear weapons are above head n everyone watching below. Like i would start running the moment i knew two were colliding.
Part of the rider goes into the dragon, and part of the dragon goes into the rider. The last shadow of a memory of Laena Velaryon - who rode Vhagar before Aemond - just killed her mom Rhaenys. A generation before, Vhagar and Meleys were ridden by Viserys and Daemon's parents: the siblings Baelon and Alyssa. So many familicides in one moment. 😥
Vhagar sneaking up like that is total BS
Vhagar, the ambush queen
Rip Rhaenys&Meleys❤️😢
This was way better than the books
Rhaenys was true blood of the blood of the dragon.
I cried my eyes out! Perhaps Rhaenys had a broken heart after meeting her husband’s illegitimate son and decided she didn’t want to go back and face it. She loved and adored Meleys. She wanted her to go out being a true badass! I will miss them both.
She is idiot then 😂
Bother anybody else that Vhaegar/Aemond let Rhaenys/Melys go and they just came back to try for the sake of trying? Aemond was looking over Sunfire and Aegon. Wouldn’t you go back to Dragonstone and say “one down, one to go”?
I cannot wait til Aemond gets his once and for all.
What if he doesn't? what if they decide to do something different from fire and blood.
@kylemma33 nah they're going to follow the books bc they know how season 8 of GOT turned out. Stick to the script and give the fans what they want
That won’t be till season 4 probably the beginning of
Она себя приковала! Будь что будет я с тобой до конца! По началу я думал она специально чтобы не выпасть при маневрах. Но она реально доконца осталась с ней!
Жаль что Деймона с Караксесом не было рядом! Очень жаль Караксес разорвал бы ему крылья!
After thinking about it and inspecting their reactions. I am pretty sure Rhaenys really thought the fall had killed Vhagar... She smiled at Meleys after the first round like "yeah girl... I think we did it haha" and then went to see the aftermath but then realised Vhagar wasn't there so she panicked and looked everywhere, but it was already too late as she was already near the castle and Vhagar snatched her...
Don’t worry Meleys, Aemond and Vhagar will meet their time too 😢
Rhaenys was almost at the end of her life. It was very selfish of her to commit a double suicide with a dragon in its best years. Meleys could have lived another 100 years. But no, lets both die...
Go Vhagar 🔥🔥🔥
1:40 Vhagar is such a behemoth! Oh my god!
I truly cried watching this part , I’m to miss them RIP to the Red Queen and her dragon loyal to each other till the end 😢
Rhaenys: " GG"
Meleys : " WP"
Aemond : " NO RE"
I look forward to the battle of vhagar vs caraxes this is a rivalry between the two of them and they need to show the battle
If I was on Meleys, I would of circled quickly and hit Vahgar from above while he was trying to ge off the ground and up again, thoughts?
She should've just withdraw and get a back up.
she should call for reinforcement (Syrax). They stood better chance if it was 2v1
Эх как же не хаватает Балериона ужасного чтобы тот мог надрать зад Вхагару
Who am I to speculate, but. If Rhaenys had burnt greens on their coronation day....
1:31 meleys nearly defeated vhagar. Rhaenys was a skilled warrior. Perfect match for aemond and vhagar.
Meleys and Rhaenys were my faves. 😢😢
The reason vhaegar is an ambush type dragon is because she used to be the littlest of the three balerion was an actual leviathan it's impressive she can still do that at her size rn shows skill, anyway rest in peace and hail the king Aegon, long may he reign
Cringe
I liked that she didn't have to attack them but turned around.
The fact that she rode normally while NOT strapped in shows you the kind of person she was (and probably her trust in Meleys).
She didn't have to die 😢
Aemond was shocked that rhaenys was dumb enough to come back for more ...anyway I have no sympathy for fools she should have waited for caraxes before attacking vhagar
True that lol
She wasn’t dumb enough, she just wasn’t a coward. She knew she was expendable and she still injured Vhagar and honestly could have taken out Vhagar if she didn’t ambush her
@@kiiiirbzzz yeah sure if you say so.
@@ibnelkhanwe literally just saw it, what do you mean sure if you say so 🤣
@@kieuvu-kayser5624 it means i am being sarcastic. Just cz someone thinks they are expendable doeant mean u jump in a battle and die.
Her death caused a vaccum in team black. Which eventually leads to downfall
They dint listen to deamon when he suggested to attack together and went one by one seperately to die.
Thats called foolishness not bravery
Yoooo so rhaenys tightening her shit before she goes into battle and she falls to her death I bet we will see the exact opposite from daemon and that's how he kills aemond after vhagars rips into ceraxes
Seeing the light fade from Meley’s eyes, rhaenys was dead before the fall, rider and dragon are one
I really don't understand the fight. She came back to take down but God it was half-assed!
When you play the Game of Thrones, you win or you die. She chose to die when she let the greens live at Aegon's coronation.
vhager reminded me of drogon hiding in the snow
Everyone on the ground forgot about the battle they had been fighing just minutes earlier and just watched the battle between dragons
I mean, can you blame them? These are as close to gods that they can see with their own eyes. Now, I'm not saying dragons are gods per se, but the soldiers are still human, after all. They would be awed by this. Completely. In a way, it's similar to armies stopping to watch two champions fight. There are even examples of that happening in history.
Meleys screams hurt me more than Sunfyre screams tbh
She should've thought of that cliff/castle. She and Meleys were skimming the water before re-engaging vhagar so it was the perfect spot for Vhagar's enormous size to hide...
I always say in thriller/etc shows, ppl never look up. In this case, it's down
Her was the blood of the dragon and she died a dragon rider death
I thought it was all over when in the first clash with vhagar but Rhaenys has shown her experience and brought Aemond down. and it was an ambush strike finished her.. dragon fight was fun to watch even if it was short
I did not like the ambush that killed Meleys. How should Vhagar hide just under the cliffs (flying) and wait for Meleys unseen, while she pinpoints the attack? That is not what I expected from a 'brute force' dragon. I know: The writters wanted it like that. No further explanation needed. But still, that felt a bit like bad writting although overall I still liked the episode and battle very much.
She should've left after she knocked Aegon down. That was a win. Go get more help.
Of course he hide his dragon behind a giant castle to spring up from as a surprise attack and bite the other dragon thru the neck with his own dragon, so he took advantage of 2 weaknesses at the same time.
I love how they make dragons intelligent on here and even on game of thrones. if you looked closer when Meleys scratches Aegon dragon's chest and rips it open a sort of liquid comes outs witch I am pretty sure is the flammable substants that makes them breath fire and you can tell that meleys knows that because she does the same move again at vhagar but her skin was too thick for serious damage. which tells how smart and experience she is with combat especially with other dragons.
Meleys still faught better tactically. Vhagar is all size TBH
Those scenes of Dragons fighting and getting killed are the most heartbreaking ones of all. 😢😢
Poor dragon and R 😭😭😭
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Aemond targrayan
And vhagar & Balerion egg
Maylese was the best looking in my opinion
I wonder why people keep criticising Rhaenys for continuing to fight (with insert otherwise logical argument here) despite the show showing twice that she had the opportunity to leave and decided not to, so it's clear she knows the consequences. I would argue that it was, not metaphorically, a suicide.
Think about it, half her family is dead, including all of her children, so she is suffering unimaginable grief. Her husband refuses to accept her granddaughters as heirs, which only revealed that he never cared about her personal claim to the iron throne, as the eldest female heir, but only to further his own political power. What's more Rhaenyra says peace is now impossible so she knows whatever happens, everyone might as well be dead.
She saw Aegon (the Green's proclaimed king) fall to his apparent death and so decided to go down fighting instead of continuing living with her grief
Hiccup and Toothless would have killed Vhagar.