Our approach to innovation is dead wrong | Diana Kander | TEDxKC

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  • This talk was given at a local TEDx event, produced independently of the TED Conferences. In the past decade, we've seen an explosion in the number of business incubators, startup accelerators and entrepreneurial training programs. But Kander argues all of these programs share an enormous fatal flaw. Diana's talk challenges our thinking about entrepreneurship and presents a new approach for startups and corporations alike.
    Diana Kander entered America as an eight-year old refugee of the Soviet Union. By the time she was an American citizen, she had perfected her skills as a capitalist - selling flea market goods to grade school classmates at a markup.

    Today, Kander is a successful entrepreneur, having founded and sold a number of ventures, and is a senior fellow at the Ewing Marion Kauffman Foundation, the largest nonprofit in the world dedicated to entrepreneurship and education. A sought-out public speaker and consultant, Kander has advised startup founders and Fortune 500 executives on her methodology for launching customer-focused products and services. She is the author of New York Times bestseller “All In Startup,” a business novel published by Wiley in 2014. The book is a "page turner" that helps entrepreneurs build products and services they know customers will buy.

    Website: www.dianakander.com
    Twitter: @dianakander
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  • @MikePeriu
    @MikePeriu 9 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Outstanding! I think she nails it as to what's wrong with our entire approach to entrepreneurship and creative thinking. This problem isn't just limited to starting businesses; its a problem with our general approach to education. Great job!

  • @rajadawn
    @rajadawn 8 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    One of the top TED talks in my opinion for the clarity of the message.

    • @elsacorona2670
      @elsacorona2670 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The longer you plan to more likely to fail. Everyone has a business plan, but no one plans to fail. Then the regret comes after, so we need to invent and let customer try product and see if its going to launch.

  • @boowonder888
    @boowonder888 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    This girl is fantastic and I am only half way through her presentation!

  • @DonWinfieldTheLibertyGang
    @DonWinfieldTheLibertyGang 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It's amazing how much value you can provide in under 10 minutes with 3 stories to illustrate points... And a few ideas that tie them together. Excellent Presentation... I've decided to watch it daily until I've noticed changes in my thinking and actions...

  • @KONAMIKENYAFOOTBALL
    @KONAMIKENYAFOOTBALL 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    6 years later and i find this very useful. thanks a lot.

  • @nicolesecker1436
    @nicolesecker1436 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I´m currently part of a project teaching entrepreneurship skills to youth in Peru. This was an awesome talk.

  • @aaronbono4688
    @aaronbono4688 9 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I have been at the business building effort for 10 years now and have to say she is spot on. Very well said. Great talk.

  • @Gacon1210
    @Gacon1210 8 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    That's true, the reason MBA took a lot of time for planning because it's the important part for higher chance to get funding from the investors. The investors are not gonna give you money for experiment!

  • @SlavesoldierofAllah
    @SlavesoldierofAllah 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Amazing. Loved ever word every thought every thing that she has shared.

  • @loslucky
    @loslucky 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mind-blowing! Thank you Diana Kander.

  • @TheMahdster
    @TheMahdster 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    A very good talk: conveys one idea really clearly; has a great opening; great example with the Marshmallow Challenge, tying back to an impact in the real world. Nicely done!

  • @twelfthhausjones6753
    @twelfthhausjones6753 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What an incredible speech! Succinct, funny, & full of examples & prompts that get people to change their thinking without even knowing it. What a big proposition & what a smooth execution!

  • @steveelderbrock6673
    @steveelderbrock6673 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Steve Elderbrock - began at 9:40pm and ended at 9:51pm. The assertion that in order to be better innovators we must learn to be better at experimentation and testing and "play" (like those kindergarteners) reminded me of Christensen's assertion that when it comes to disruptive technologies, planning must be about "discovery" and "learning." My question is how we might begin to do this better in the Church, where we do a lot of planning, much of it in a vacuum and without much playfulness or experimentation.

  • @AlexEvangelista93
    @AlexEvangelista93 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Alex Evangelista: watched at 1:32pm. I really appreciate how Kander highlights the importance of play and not planning in a vacuum. My one question is how she teaches this systemically?

  • @MattMurrie
    @MattMurrie 9 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Love this talk! Thanks for sharing.

    • @SarahCaldicott
      @SarahCaldicott 9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      We don't 'teach' experimentation anywhere in our school system. It is dramatically undervalued, particularly in an environment where digital and virtual experimentation is easier than ever. As Thomas Edison realized, experimentation is a core generator of innovation. We need to find new ways to allow students - and entrepreneurs - to risk, and experiment. Thanks for your insights!

  • @tomroettger9082
    @tomroettger9082 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great info, great story, and she is an amazing speaker!

  • @amberbrantley2782
    @amberbrantley2782 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I started this video at 6:22p.m. and ended 6:33p.m. it really blessed me. How do allow ourselves time when time isn't on our side?

  • @RevRhonda
    @RevRhonda 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Time started, 6:05pm, end time 6:15pm. Very straight forward but insightful. My question is, over time, should my online ministry success, with me being the product, be based on how many views I receive even over a broad length of time? I know that my marshmallow is my customer which can be fickle, moved by politics, current events, church history, hurt and interaction. Besides getting not so many views, what is considered a failure?

  • @creativitystuff8121
    @creativitystuff8121 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for sharing this awesome perspective. Author M.S.Woodley!

  • @OrganizationalEngineering
    @OrganizationalEngineering 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great message. I have learned this lesson the hard way starting my business. If you are going to invest hundreds of millions of dollars in a company, a larger business plan probably makes some sense to help you understand the challenges you will face. If you want to build a business organically, you need to get a product or service and find customers. Spending too much time on planning will put you in analysis paralysis and it is inevitable that things will change.

    • @jwstaddo
      @jwstaddo 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It doesn't matter how much the investment is. The same truth applies. You need real world results, not a highly polished dream.

  • @Practiceofthepractice
    @Practiceofthepractice 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for sharing this message.

  • @susig6274
    @susig6274 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Valuable and clear information!

  • @MuhammadRazeen
    @MuhammadRazeen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing. Extremely true. Innovation cannot be taught in classrooms.

  • @marettaarnold-franklin
    @marettaarnold-franklin 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I started at 6:51pm and finished at 6:59 pm. We can't be so rigid that we don't allow enough time to play and experiment which helps us toward adaptations. How we allocate time gives us the advantage of having more opportunities for success. How do we prepare people to be comfortable with flexibility and not be so tied to our plan that we are convinced is right and is going to work?

  • @Gk2003m
    @Gk2003m 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This applies to far more than business startups. It’s also why project planning needs to change in established companies; they need to build in more time for results-based adjustments.
    That said, it’s also true that in a world that is more and more mega-company oriented, small startups are harder to do. And then go look at the business plans of startups, and see how many of them have, at year four or five, “be bought by larger company and cash out”.

  • @KathleenGage
    @KathleenGage 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great job. Very clear message

  • @dorsoumadebonheur856
    @dorsoumadebonheur856 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    great presentation. Love it

  • @williamthomas3482
    @williamthomas3482 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Started at 7:03 PM and ended at 7:16pm. Diana talks about the our approaches to doing new things are always more significant than they have to be. What if we changed our roll out and did more time studying and hearing from potential customers.

  • @theprayerstrategist6019
    @theprayerstrategist6019 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I loved her message - I started watching at 1:06pm and ended at 1:17pm - I agree with her assertion that the plan is merely a starting point. Success can only be achieved when we are able to experiment with the idea and make adjustments based on real world experiences. Should I then expect my product to fail in its infancy keeping in mind that a launch is merely a real-world test?

  • @danf4447
    @danf4447 ปีที่แล้ว

    gutsy presentation from the world of painful lessons

  • @cexino
    @cexino 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good talk and strong points.

  • @markcurtis946
    @markcurtis946 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I started the lecture at 11:52 a.m. and finished at 12:13 p.m. I really appreciate the idea of flipping the traditional model of implementation of a new innovation, initiative, or idea - spend less time in development and planning and more time on experimenting and adjusting after putting the innovation into place. How would using this model work in a church setting? Would it take time to explain this new model to get buy in from the leadership and congregation?

  • @artsavitt9338
    @artsavitt9338 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Points to the need for testing, data. To develop a strong pre-intro strategy for targeting, messaging, actual product deliverability to address core cost of entry requirements.

  • @KongLuvs
    @KongLuvs 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is valuable information regardless, and she gave a solid presentation, so I gave her a thumbs-up, but I thought most everybody already knew this. Do people actually progress to a point of seeking investors for a new product without ever doing solid market surveys of some type to substantiate their market projections? I mean, how on Earth would you ever get investors to write checks? It would only seem possible if all the prospective investors were personal friends and relatives that don't know any better.

  • @usagijen
    @usagijen 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's the Agile mindset and principle right there, and why in a complex world/environment, people look to Agile to approach problems/projects

  • @indraprasain6821
    @indraprasain6821 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    i appreciate and believe what you said.good speech.

  • @jaimefosterlindauer2152
    @jaimefosterlindauer2152 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good. Very true.

  • @Moviepreviewer92
    @Moviepreviewer92 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    This speech is everything I hoped for in a TED talk.

  • @ghananeelpendse7356
    @ghananeelpendse7356 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very true. Many understand it but do not practice...

  • @tourdeNoh
    @tourdeNoh 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the way she talks. And I pity those here who confuse the word 'research & plan' with 'test'. 'test' is not about quoting from what someone else did.

  • @edwincool5289
    @edwincool5289 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very true and nicely said

  • @matthewporter1983
    @matthewporter1983 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great summary of a lot of thought and experience - test, test, test the hell out of your idea as early as you can.

  • @poobum9857
    @poobum9857 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    a lot of these talks are nicely bundled and mostly uninspiring - rare to see someone talking passionately from the heart....

  • @Gichanasa
    @Gichanasa 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Anyone catch the Tae Kwon Do bow at the end? Nice talk!

  • @ultimatepirate9589
    @ultimatepirate9589 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    i've learnt a lot about why you should do market research in my igcse business course :/

  • @chip-pope
    @chip-pope 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    3:30-3:50 11/28. In a culture with a short attention span, how can we slow down the process enough to take time in this experimental phase?

  • @anteeko
    @anteeko 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great talk!!

  • @sandipdhavale
    @sandipdhavale 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great lessons

  • @girijashankarchauhan3038
    @girijashankarchauhan3038 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    love this talk

  • @noviceprepper53
    @noviceprepper53 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    great talk

  • @HenryStradford
    @HenryStradford 9 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Our approach to innovation is dead wrong | Diana Kander | TEDx

  • @GeorgeKosgey
    @GeorgeKosgey 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Should have a billion Views already!!! learnt this lesson the hard way but I hope it gets to Start up entrepreneurs sooner rather than later 😄😄 Thank yooou Diana!!

    • @timkom2289
      @timkom2289 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +George Kosgey I was one of these, who was taught, that i need perceft bussines plan, where i would be prepared for everything in next few years.....Relity is, that it was about 20 pages long document and when i got punched by reality, aproximately half page of my plan was realized and the rest is completely different.

  • @raftal08
    @raftal08 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    brilliant ! ! !

  • @johncolon7844
    @johncolon7844 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    awesome video!!! I am MLG

  • @samwatson7207
    @samwatson7207 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    downturn of entry: great recession
    increase of firm exit: great recession
    you have no evidence proving the trend that US businesses are "failing"

  • @JUSTTHETRUTHTV
    @JUSTTHETRUTHTV 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    #INNOVATION #TALK

  • @terrystrong9787
    @terrystrong9787 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great talk

  • @roserite
    @roserite 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Innovators should be taught to behave as detectives not as fortune tellers. Insightful!

  • @litDevYT
    @litDevYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing

  • @andrewquinfinancialeducati7045
    @andrewquinfinancialeducati7045 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good talk

  • @malayalamwriter
    @malayalamwriter 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    She is intelligent

  • @ufoengines
    @ufoengines 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool! Hey dig this old digital computer patent 3190554 that use air to compute instead of electricity. Bet you could build one with a 3D printer.

  • @humanyoda
    @humanyoda 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think there are situations when determining the potential demand for a product is very problematic before the product is available in a substantial form. Is that incorrect thinking?

  • @MundaneParticle
    @MundaneParticle 9 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    This isn't a novel idea.
    Everything she spoke about should have been included in her comprehensive business plan in the section called "Marketing Plan."
    If she didn't do the research into finding out her target market, pricing strategy, distribution, etc. then she didn't do a "comprehensive business plan" she didn't do her due diligence. She deserved that huge failure.
    Your marketing plan is all about facts and should be based on intensive research performed on your part using trial runs and real statistics.
    I learned this in business school, I have scrapped many of my business plans due to the lack of a market.
    I learned that the most important part of your business plan is not the financials or five year projections, it is the MARKETING PLAN.
    All those who neglect their marketing plan is likely to fail and would have deserved that failure.

    • @MundaneParticle
      @MundaneParticle 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ***** the product is a part of the marketing plan as well. You should identify what your product is, its strength and weaknesses, and what's unique about it or what differentiates it from others. This should be in your marketing plan.
      A product's success is not determined by the product itself, it's determined by the fact that people actually want to buy it that there is a market identified for the product.
      Her failure is not with the product, it was with the market. She didn't have a market for her product and she failed to identify a market. She created a product that she herself would buy. She was her only market. Unfortunately, you can't sell a product only to yourself.
      She needed to identify her market, what they would want, and the reason they would buy it. You can create the world's greatest mouse trap but if there's no one to buy it then what is the point.
      If she had put as much effort that she put in her product into her marketing plan, then she wouldn't have failed as bad.
      It rarely happens that you create a product and people flock to it. This is called a myopic strategy or product-centrism. Through the efforts of your marketing plan including your marketing strategy people can flock to a product that they probably would never have bought. Apple typically uses this myopic strategy and they have an amazing and expensive marketing team to carry it out. This is why they are usually at the cutting edge of innovation. It's because of their expensive marketing team.

    • @alexanderli3352
      @alexanderli3352 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ***** Basically what she is saying, "Rather than risking everything on a business assumption, you should first test out your idea."
      What a fucking revelation, if this concept wasn't common sense to you, you definitely deserved all the consequences you get.

    • @hoangpham2658
      @hoangpham2658 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Do you know that even with super super extensive market research, your product could fail too? Staying in a lab will never gurantee your success.

    • @brendonvallejo6964
      @brendonvallejo6964 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      but you are not on TED...

    • @alexandrelot2798
      @alexandrelot2798 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sectorial plans are the overall business model. You have to think in every aspect of a construct of a company, only then, to understand that the purpose is not positioning, that Logistics, Marketing, Design, Finance, Law, Engeneering, and other diverse areas are the colective way of building and executing the idea. Managers do have strategy on their hand, but it only works if they're assisted with other professionals. As a Designer and Manager myself, i do value all other colleges and professions around me, and the diverse stakeholders we attend at the design office where I work. And holistics do help...

  • @urbanmetal7802
    @urbanmetal7802 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is very similar to "The Lean Startup".

  • @anthonymendoza1327
    @anthonymendoza1327 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Planning is necessary, but no plan survives first contact with the enemy." Dwight D. Eisenhower

  • @troygardner1610
    @troygardner1610 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    amen! , the right approach to innovation is play (paying attention, staying present) and fail fast iterations.
    the right foundation for business is based on evidence, can you get traffic, conversions etc for a few hundred dollars no need to raise millions to build a bridge into a void.
    almost the exact the opposite of all that MBA premeditated prefunded mumbo jumbo. All the training lulls people into a false sense of confidence and complacency that business is easy, and innovation/complex necessary.
    Time AWAREness is largely a missing from most people in pursuit of the now or escapism from themselves. This is actually stunningly missing from schooling, how to manage, measure, optimize time. How to understand self, others, healthy or not including mental illness, sickness, which is actually relatively common out in the wild.

  • @elsacorona2670
    @elsacorona2670 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The longer you plan to more likely to fail. Everyone has a business plan, but no one plans to fail. Then the regret comes after, so we need to invent and let customer try product and see if its going to launch.

  • @bodinmagosson
    @bodinmagosson 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My boss said I had only one chance. I was not allowed to take practical work until the plan was approved. If I failed once, I would be fired.

  • @Dadas0560
    @Dadas0560 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I always thought that before starting any business project the basic thing to do is called Market Research.
    But, then, perhaps I'm the oldschool guy...

    • @ChristinaTaft
      @ChristinaTaft 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Intuition does far better than Market Research. Market Research actually probably is Stopping Many Businesses from ever starting. Do you want to solve your own problem? Others probably have the same problem as you do. GO.

  • @Dehalove
    @Dehalove 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Isn't it possible that entrepreneurship is decreasing and established businesses are failing due to monopolization and the prominence of titans like Walmart and McDonalds?

  • @wazmasole3926
    @wazmasole3926 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sound..🤔💭

  • @hineonline08
    @hineonline08 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is just a reiteration of the 'Lean Startup' method...

    • @martyvictor363
      @martyvictor363 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Conrad Hine .. Thats true. however there are those who never experienced the lean method. Inherently almost every business concept has been used before with another name. Needs remain constant, Methods change.

  • @arealsleepytimejerry6459
    @arealsleepytimejerry6459 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    people need to keep protection and learn how to run fast, not fight.

    • @4thofjuly395
      @4thofjuly395 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The issue is yours reflexes, fight response, flight response, freeze response, fawn response. So, if you are never able to trigger the specific response you need...then, you will react naturally to what your body's set defense mechanism is for that situation.

  • @Curious112233
    @Curious112233 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another reason business are failing is too much regulations.

  • @AiranR
    @AiranR 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Read the 4 steps to Epiphany by Steve Blank to go deeper into this topic

  • @TEE19622
    @TEE19622 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great talk ...but why is when you click on a ted talk ...99% of your feed turns into ted talks?

  • @AlistairBentley
    @AlistairBentley 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    No incubators or startup accelerators teach this, they are all obsessed with Lean Startup, which works.

  • @NRRey
    @NRRey 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Subtitles are so bad... NBA instead of MBA!

  • @nagyandras8857
    @nagyandras8857 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    the same may apply to your show, what if there is nothing worng with the way people do things, the busines plan and stuff, what if the problem does not originates from there at all. now this is interesting as an idea, since basicly you say, that there is a what if scneario in any case. maybe consider you are wrong then.

  • @DarrylRobinsonKeys
    @DarrylRobinsonKeys 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for sharing insights and answering questions on your book "all in startup" today on #Spinsucks

  • @iwq666
    @iwq666 8 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    And the moral of the story is : You should learn bjj instead of taekwondo.

    • @SaltVinegar2010
      @SaltVinegar2010 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      No she should of learnt krav maga.

    • @urliltyger5611
      @urliltyger5611 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +iwq666 you beat me too it hahah

    • @urliltyger5611
      @urliltyger5611 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Highway Phantom should have done both

    • @illan731
      @illan731 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +iwq666 Belt factory Tae Know Do ftw. The purpose of those schools, and of ones that sell you buisiness certificates is to make money. Go to a free mixed martial arts school. See if people will use your product for free and buy it for super cheap. Thinking about the target audience and whether it's possible to distribute/use is the second step after the basic blue-sky idea.

    • @stvia
      @stvia 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sure if she had given him a BJ, he would probably have left her alone, but I dont think she wanted to do that

  • @shantipappachan9234
    @shantipappachan9234 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can I see the model kindergartners did?

  • @cosmicman4963
    @cosmicman4963 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well, she says that in their taekondo classes they didnt teach THE GOOD STUFF
    Me: OH MAN THATS WHAT IM TALKING FOR

  • @greein2634
    @greein2634 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the face"

  • @danf4447
    @danf4447 ปีที่แล้ว

    there is a difference between do (tao) as in taekwondo the art or practice and budo which is the war art ..like crav maga or jiu jitsu or other... just saying.

  • @eezus
    @eezus 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Only Kanye can pull off forward thinking

  • @shreyasrajanna7361
    @shreyasrajanna7361 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I knew this
    All of MBA is nonsense

  • @user-wr2wg6mh9g
    @user-wr2wg6mh9g 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    niau

  • @fleXcope
    @fleXcope 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fail fast

  • @feedthesnake3394
    @feedthesnake3394 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    nothing new here.

  • @IDFgivati
    @IDFgivati 9 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    learn some Krav Maga!

  • @omarakhras2785
    @omarakhras2785 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ahem toilt paper ahem

  • @prateektc1472
    @prateektc1472 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    WorDD

  • @powergi3996
    @powergi3996 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Learning Taekwondo to protect yourself in real life LOL!

  • @moose6784
    @moose6784 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Taekwondo is horrible for self defense

  • @14CJProductions
    @14CJProductions 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just a bad plan.

  • @leozheng1582
    @leozheng1582 2 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @Granamir71
    @Granamir71 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice speach, terrible shoes.