I’ve owned an Elantra N and an FL5 and the EN had better steering feel. EN was more enjoyable as a daily, FL5 was more fun on track as long as ambient temperatures were low. I have an RS3 now but if I bought another FWD car it would be an Elantra N.
I must say - your production quality is insane. And I appreciate your honest assessment. Glad you enjoyed the Type S. It's not for everyone given the price point and FF layout, but I am thoroughly enjoying mine and plan to keep it as a daily and *possibly* backup track car for the foreseeable future. Thanks for having me on!
Thank you for making it a part of the series! It’s the hardest car for me to argue against in the series if the money isn’t a problem. I’ll be looking forward to the next collab🥸
Man the biggest part of the Elantra N that Hyundai messed up on was not giving it blue seat belts like past N models, well that and not giving us a Elantra N hatchback. I miss the Veloster N...
This is a fever dream of SavageGeese x The Straight Pipes. Love it. Thank you for this series. I am currently trying to decide between the Elantra N, GR Corolla, and WRX. I test drove all of them, and the EN just seems to be the most fun. The WRX is the most sensible choice for me in Colorado (AWD), but I've already owned a '15 WRX and '17 STI. The GR keeps calling me, but that price tho... Guide me, Mr. Realistick.
Thank you for watching🤟 I’d also suggest the GR Corolla for Colorado, it shines on backroads. Super confident and charismatic with just enough versatility… but the Elantra N is the better car for fun on a track and it’s a more sensible daily. If you’re planning on going to a track on a fairly regular basis and you don’t mind buying snow tires (or staying in on occasion), I’d go EN. I’d buy a WRX if you prioritize comfort, price, all-weather versatility as much as the performance/fun. Hope this helps, best of luck!
I live in Mississauga, Ontario. With snow tires, the Elantra N is such a beast in snow. Have you ever tried fwd + lsd in the snow? Open diff does kinda suck but with an LSD the grip is insane. Unless you're in Alaska, I couldn't imagine you actually need AWD.
@@shamalabadingdong This is what I needed to hear, Shamalabadingdong. I also drove a ‘15 Fiesta ST (only one w/snow tires), ‘02 Civic, ‘11 Si, and currently our Pacifica (all with all-seasons) in the snow, and have always survived. We also have an Expedition if I really needed to traverse the snow. I can’t stop thinking about the EN. It’s just so unique compared to everything else out there.
I appreciate how you actually dig into the cars and say the downsides of them. Too many other car reviewers just make every car on their channel to be perfect. There are a few things you get with the S Zygrene doesn’t mention too, like the louder exhaust, the hud, rain sensing wipers, and parking proximity sensors that the R doesn’t have. Between that and the R the comforts of the S make it better for living with on a daily basis
I have a 2024 EN, stage 3 n75. All in I’ve spent 45k for 385 hp and phenomenal handling. Still 10k below the Acura. Not even a comparison I would by the EN. All day everyday.
EN is cool if its your forever car.. but you eat so much depreciation compared to the others if you care to switch in 2-3 years like most car enthusiast people do
Owing hondas mazdas fords chevys and srt everything A 2020 Veloster N A 2022 Elantra N A 2023 Kona N and A 2023 Elantra N and now a 2024 GTI Autobahn ( might be the only one in the world that can say that lol ) The Kona is where its at. Shame its gone. I'm completely lost in the video on comparing the EN to cars 15-30k more and modded. Yeah the S is nice 55-60k nice? God no that's hitting Audi, bmw , supra $$$ 9:20 ish talking about it being smooth yet the camera shake and your seat bounce is insane lol Fun video tho!
Valid, however, It’s not a comparison, which is why I didn’t bother saying which one I prefer and what I would recommend. I’m in the market for a sport compact which is why Im making this series and testing the wide variety of options. Fenton owns a type S (I have yet to get an Acura press car) so I thought it would be fun to interview him and get his thoughts while getting a feel for the interior and Acura engine tune.
“You get what you pay for” As a blue collar worker, not a TH-cam personality making 10’s of thousands per month, no interior is worth 20 thousand dollars more unless we’re talking Bentley level refinement. Cars have come a long way, and the N’s interior is pleasant enough and arguably even has better seats. N just posted a lap time on par with type s/r which is absurd for the price disparity. Agree to disagree. Fantastic content tho well thought out and exceptional production value.
Thank you! I see your point but as someone who also can’t really afford a Type S either (unless I wanted to stress myself out), the Acura still makes sense to the right buyer. Saying “you get what you pay for” isn’t necessarily a Hyundai critique and more so an acknowledgement that Hyundai couldn’t prioritize every aspect and hit that pricepoint. The Acura gives you an awesome transmission, better steering imo, more quality, space, and yes, more luxury. It’s easier for me to recommend the Hyundai to a person who wants a sport compact but this video wasn’t supposed to be a real comparison. They each earn their pricetag in their own ways to me👍
@@Realistick sure. Bigger and better materials go directly to pleasing the senses and comfort. Definitely luxury. Not much bigger, but every inch counts. I’d imagine a lot of the money goes into the pedigree (Honda/acura quality and racing history of winning) and even dealership experience. Hyundai service is synonymous with hassle. I’d imagine the complete opposite experience when getting service at an Acura dealer.
It's not just that. There are many other aspects people tend to overlook. The ITS/CTR uses real performance brakes, unlike the cheaper versions found on the EN. Hyundai's brakes work up to a point, but they aren't quite the same. Additionally, the ITS/CTR offers full cargo access with 60/40 split rear seats and no brace blocking your precious cargo space. In the EN, you'd have to remove the brace, which compromises chassis stiffness. Honda designed the shell to be stiffer, so it doesn’t need those braces. The wider body of the ITS/CTR doesn’t just give it an aggressive look; it also enhances performance on the track, providing more grip in the corners, as confirmed by independent testers. This is why the CTR/ITS consistently beats the EN's times (both stock). Moreover, there's no octane learning hassle. Imagine a performance car that defaults to regular fuel and requires a specific procedure to activate the premium fuel tune, which resets after turning off the engine. The ITS/CTR doesn’t have that problem. These more expensive upgrades are part of what gives the CTR/ITS its competitive edge. If Hyundai were to apply similar features to the Elantra N, the price gap would narrow considerably.
@@Marbind stock N 1/4 mile 13.5. Octane learned 12.9. Paying $20,000 for a slower car is an option for some I guess. Type r/s 1/4 mile 13.6. No octane learning. So still 13.6. I didn’t mention it but N is TCR world winner.
@@deenycest10710 TCR? How is that vehicle relevant to the conversation? The difference in time is the DCT. Manual shows the true colors of the hp gap. I had seen mid 13s on stock octane learned EN DCT. 🤷🏻♂️ Been following the EN platform for years I know one of two things about it. Great car but not for me.
He's right. For all that money, Acura should have thrown in something like sh-awd or a much better interior with cooled seats, heated rear + wheel etc.
I have a new Integra and it just makes me want the type s more what’s fun too is barely any on the road it’s unique even in the lower trims and the stock add ons are just icing
I personally am not a fan of the Elantra N's look but I must say its priced just right. The Integra Type-S is very sharp, inside and out, with the perfect blend of performance and comfort. That being said the Type-S (and Type-R for that matter) is straight up over-priced. You have to be a Honda/Acura enthusiast to see the value in those cars because from a price point, the Volkswagen Golf R and Elantra N seem like better values overall.
Neither of those cars are as good as the type r or s though. The r and s win awards for a reason; it’s because they’re the very best in modern fwd performance while also being fairly easy to live with and very practical
@@ph4z0n18 Don't get me wrong, I 100% agree with you, I would much rather have a Type-S/Type-R over a Golf R and Elantra N, no matter the cost. However from a cost stand-point both the Type-S and Type-R are hard to justify for people who arent set on buying them.
Lmao i was going to say, not the same at. I mean this is a great video but the approach and feel, and level of technical depth, is no where near the same. @JacesOwnWorld
Yes, the Elantra N is a huge bargain. That's awesome, and truthfully, if you can't get the ITS, then go for it. However, if you leave price out, there's no way anyone would pick the CTR or ITS over the N. Hyundai has A LOT of quality control issues to figure out. Even if you're not tracking them and you just like having a sporty car, that last 10% you mentioned is what makes a car better than another. I applaud Hyundai for making the Elantra N, but up to me I'd even skip the CTR and go with the Type S.
These are economy cars but the Acura integra wants a premium price.. you need to compare what else you can buy for that sort of money not pick on the Elantra N at $20k price saving. The Elantra N is priced reasonably and should be compared against GR Corolla or WRX.. Acura is like paying Rolex price and receive a Casio.
En drivers want to be it so bad, your pups in this game. Heritage and engineering costs money. They are also a lot less of them on the road, you get what you pay for.
Having driven both, I just absolutely couldn't stand the clutch weight and shifter on the Elantra. And the Elantra's engine seemed to lug for me, while the Type S never does. Of course the Elantra is a much better value and I would have loved to prefer it and save all that money, but they just weren't comparable to me. The Elantra's steering also felt less responsive. Maybe others don't mind that heavier clutch.
Not about the performance difference for me, the shifter and steering feel much better on the street or a nice backroad, on track, less of a difference between the two! Also, the Honda quality and style for me are pros too👍
The Elantra N is rental car spec interior with bucket seats. There's more difference than you think. It's a bargain like Great Value products or cereal that comes in a bag. Sure it's close but it ain't the real thing 💪🏾
I can’t wait for you to finish reviewing all these amazing sport cars, only to inform us at the end of this series that you’ll be buying a Tesla M3P 🤣😆
13+ second 1/4 mile times is pretty sad. DSG MK8 Golf R destroys everything in its class as they easily run mid 12s all stock. Want to run mid 11s, throw a tune with e85 at it. Plus you can fit your mountain bike in the back.
Yeah I don't get these fwd cars with 300hp going to front wheels. It's wheel spin and wheel hop constantly. Wtf is the point of that? Can't put any of that power down and get passed by much weaker cars.
MY23 EN is the best overall vehicle I’ve owned. Coming from some notable platforms such as 01S2K, 13BRZ, 05M3 & 05STI. With the vast knowledge of Albert Biermann, he truly refined this vehicle. Kudos Hyundai.
Nice video! I would like to see how the Integra in its stock form shows up to the plate. Would klike to know what you're getting for the $53,000 before doing any mods On a side note - I can never understand when designing the area around the shifter how a manufacturer can decide to put the cup holders directly behind the shifter. Yes you can carry a shorter drink, and it's nice to just have cup holders, but t's really annoying to have your drinks directly behind the shifter where your arm sits from time to time. My ats-v had that and it was annoying. Now Cadillac has moved the cup holders to the side. Especially when this car is supposed to be more of a GT version of the Civic.
Thank you, I hope I can get a 2025 for a solo review next year so I can feel the stock Acura adaptive suspension tune and road noise. The rest of the drive should be pretty identical to the CTR (video on that coming soon)! As for the cupholders, it’s an ergonomic flaw many compacts have but it’s tricky to solve and I think Honda/Acura has a great solution. Widening the center console can work, but it could also worsen knee room. Putting the cupholders in front of the shifter can work but it can block controls or push the shifter to a more awkward position further from the wheel. Putting the cupholders behind the shifter seems to be the easiest but that can be annoying too UNLESS you make the cupholders ridiculously deep. Honda/Acura does this with the Civic and Integra so you can fit some tall bottles in there without much a problem👍
I had 2016 1st gen subaru hyper blue brz, and if I compare it's the interior and stereo system vs elantra n, elantra n has much better interior and stereo system than the brz despite the fact that their prices are similar.
@@jpizel1070 don’t know man if was great for me. I loved the overall versatility was awesome. I have upgraded to the Sonata N line 2.5t sleeper but do miss the Kona
This really needed to be a modified elantra N vs stock Integra video. Stuff like steering feel is going to be heavily affected by wheel/tire setup. The stock EN tires are 245 on 8 inch wheels, pretty pinched . The type r comes on 265/9.5, which is way more stretched and will have more steering feel. For shifter feel, sxth element shifter bushings are amazing.
Absolutely, I want to get a stock type s in the spring for a review! I took this opportunity because interviewing Fenton seemed more valuable to me as a potential buyer. I drove a Type R right after this and while the dampening was quite different, on the street, the steering felt pretty identical. For the sake of this series, it wasn’t ideal, but I think I got the impressions that I needed.
That’s quite impressive! Though FWD sport compacts don’t live and die by the quarter mile. Even a base Mustang Ecoboost would challenge them until high speeds. These two in particular are about handling, fun and the ability to seriously track it with minimal upgrades. A mazda3 turbo is about hurting egos, and doing it in comfort (with nice steering)🤠
The track is where these cars shine, and where the Mazda 3 pale in comparison despite having good straight-line performance. I love the M3 don't get me wrong but there's a reason it never gets mentioned in these entry level sports car comparison videos.
@@logmeinhere yeah I think it’s a shame because not only is it fast and handles great but it has a lot of sex appeal and the interior is top-notch. I don’t get it. I mean do people really want more plastic instead of soft touch material?
@@nachomandetailingservices1057 who told you the M3 turbo has more sex appeal than a widebodied integera type S or a hyundai N? U want insane sex appeal? Get a miata
Doesn’t Hyundai force you to finance through their bank? The Elantra is down 40Hp, 40lbft torque and heavier. On taller, thinner wheelset. Also, there’s American workers building the Integra that is likely pushing the price up as well.
If you need more room than a SS 1LE for ~$50k, I'd get a Caddie CT4-V. Might need to be slightly used. Those Hondas are really nice though, I just can't get over the prices and ADMs. I just replaced my '16 BMW 235 daily driver w/ an Elantra N. I was looking at a Si, but with ADMs the EN was just a couple grand more. I also have a SS 1LE, the EN is like a Korean Camaro.
Buyers BEWARE, We have a 2021 Veloster N. We love it, we've had no mechanical issues. However we have defective Paint, It is well in its legal rights to be repaired but Hyundai refuses to fix it. Even though it's still covered under its 3 year paint warranty AND it hasn't been voided because the cars been under 36,000 miles. We've been fighting them for over a year, and if they won't help you with paint (keep in mind ONLY the hood) GOOD LUCK having them warranty their 10 year 100,000 mile powertrain warranty. Cause your car will be sitting there dead for like 2+ years considering we've fought them for a year on paint. It's such a cool car and it's a shame, If you purchase one don't plan on its warranty. Still, to its credit. We love the car
@@Frisky_Panda we’ve gone to 3 so far and all have refused to service the vehicle. I pray you never have to go to Fred Bean Hyundai in Doylestown. That was the worst of the 3. They actively have deleted our appointments 2 times when they saw we put one in. Hyundai America (corporate) had to start making us appointments remotely for that dealership.
Type S has a much better motor and looks than the Elantra. All people talk about is the price… you get what you pay for as the saying goes and there’s a reason for that
I know that looks are subjective, so take this with a grain of salt, but the Acura Integra type S is a stunning car. the Hyundai ELANTRA N at least to my eyes is an ugly duckling. I can’t get over those stupid lines on the side of the car, while they improved the front end this year I still don’t like it. I’ve driven both of these cars and while the N is fun, it’s just not simply in the same league as the type S. But to be fair to the ELANTRA, it is considerably less expensive. So my advice is, if you just can’t afford the type S then the N would be great performance option as long as you’re OK with the looks. But if you can afford the Type S I would 100% go for that
The Integra is overpriced, but it is a fantastic car to experience. Have driven both an ITS and a Supra. I like the ITS's handling, just a little bit better. I like the Hyundai, but I'd rather have the Integra for the way it drives.
This car is in a weird place, at the same price an M240i is so much faster with proper drive wheels, and the interior quality is not even in the same universe, but this car is a lot more engaging and enjoyable to drive. I don't think the Type S would even exist if you could reliably get Type R for MSRP, it was a market created but dealer markup.
You forgot to mention the difference in practicality. More rear seat space and storage. Main reason I didn’t even consider the M240. Don’t forget the typical german over engineered powertrain that cost more to maintain/repair.
Great value but come on, are you really comparing the quality to a ITS or Type R, the manual is up there in best shifters, better looks (The N is just ugly), and honda reliability...if price is all you care about then, go ahead to each of your own.
This is a great video. Called a bunch of Honda dealers in the PNW and got denied my "offer" of $5k over msrp for AN FL5 (which was just a question) lol. Put a deposit down on a DE5 for msrp the same week. EN is way too ugly and I don't trust the brand yet. FL5 for msrp would be cool but it's a huge game.
@@Realistick Exactly. To be fair, the Acura dealers in WA appear to be charging significant markup relative to OR at the moment, but I was able to find one before having to call all of them. FL5 was all $5-10k no budging under $5k though because they're flying off showroom floors at $5k over. I was on the list for $5k over on an FL5 in transit and the car sold as soon as it got to the dealership and I received no call about it lol.
Hyundai engines are subpar. They lack power and fuel economy numbers are always padded to the good. They are unrefined, raspy, and clunky. Get the Acura.
I don’t think they have the greatest character with the powerband (neither does the ITS) but the performance and sound are great, and so far, this engine has been pretty solid, time will tell more.
Keep it up, car TH-cam is a very competitive space these days and your production quality is up there with the 1M+ channels.
Thank you, I’m glad you notice the effort! Hopefully the channel gains some more traction one of these days (or years)!
This is absolutely true. This is my go to car channel
I’ve owned an Elantra N and an FL5 and the EN had better steering feel.
EN was more enjoyable as a daily, FL5 was more fun on track as long as ambient temperatures were low.
I have an RS3 now but if I bought another FWD car it would be an Elantra N.
I must say - your production quality is insane. And I appreciate your honest assessment. Glad you enjoyed the Type S. It's not for everyone given the price point and FF layout, but I am thoroughly enjoying mine and plan to keep it as a daily and *possibly* backup track car for the foreseeable future. Thanks for having me on!
Thank you for making it a part of the series! It’s the hardest car for me to argue against in the series if the money isn’t a problem. I’ll be looking forward to the next collab🥸
Elantra for the win. You can’t beat the performance for the price. Also …… NO OVERHEATING!!!!
Outright performance for money, it’s a beast!
no overheating the type r as well.
@@30hours51FL5’s still have issues over hearing on track lol. It’s just no where near as often as the FK8s.
@@ctcdarkness if its stock even at advance group pace it just won't overheat unless overdriven, same with elantra N
It’s a Hyundai.
Man the biggest part of the Elantra N that Hyundai messed up on was not giving it blue seat belts like past N models, well that and not giving us a Elantra N hatchback. I miss the Veloster N...
Kona N was great R.i.p after 2023
Europe & Australia get i30N hatchback.
You would probably have more space with the Elantra tbh.
The Veloster was tiny.
This is a fever dream of SavageGeese x The Straight Pipes. Love it. Thank you for this series.
I am currently trying to decide between the Elantra N, GR Corolla, and WRX. I test drove all of them, and the EN just seems to be the most fun. The WRX is the most sensible choice for me in Colorado (AWD), but I've already owned a '15 WRX and '17 STI. The GR keeps calling me, but that price tho...
Guide me, Mr. Realistick.
Id get the GR cause of snow if you dont mind the interior.
Thank you for watching🤟 I’d also suggest the GR Corolla for Colorado, it shines on backroads. Super confident and charismatic with just enough versatility… but the Elantra N is the better car for fun on a track and it’s a more sensible daily. If you’re planning on going to a track on a fairly regular basis and you don’t mind buying snow tires (or staying in on occasion), I’d go EN. I’d buy a WRX if you prioritize comfort, price, all-weather versatility as much as the performance/fun. Hope this helps, best of luck!
@@Realistick Thank you. Mr. Realistick is a real one. Wish me luck, boys. May this channel be blessed by the algorithm gods. #SeeYouInTheCanyons
I live in Mississauga, Ontario. With snow tires, the Elantra N is such a beast in snow.
Have you ever tried fwd + lsd in the snow? Open diff does kinda suck but with an LSD the grip is insane.
Unless you're in Alaska, I couldn't imagine you actually need AWD.
@@shamalabadingdong This is what I needed to hear, Shamalabadingdong. I also drove a ‘15 Fiesta ST (only one w/snow tires), ‘02 Civic, ‘11 Si, and currently our Pacifica (all with all-seasons) in the snow, and have always survived. We also have an Expedition if I really needed to traverse the snow. I can’t stop thinking about the EN. It’s just so unique compared to everything else out there.
I appreciate how you actually dig into the cars and say the downsides of them. Too many other car reviewers just make every car on their channel to be perfect.
There are a few things you get with the S Zygrene doesn’t mention too, like the louder exhaust, the hud, rain sensing wipers, and parking proximity sensors that the R doesn’t have. Between that and the R the comforts of the S make it better for living with on a daily basis
Agree, every video is very enjoyable and thorough!
Thanks!
I have a 2024 EN, stage 3 n75. All in I’ve spent 45k for 385 hp and phenomenal handling. Still 10k below the Acura. Not even a comparison I would by the EN. All day everyday.
EN is cool if its your forever car.. but you eat so much depreciation compared to the others if you care to switch in 2-3 years like most car enthusiast people do
Nicely done, great insights from an owner of a Type S. That Hyundai is a great value for the performance.
Owing hondas mazdas fords chevys and srt everything A 2020 Veloster N A 2022 Elantra N A 2023 Kona N and A 2023 Elantra N and now a 2024 GTI Autobahn ( might be the only one in the world that can say that lol )
The Kona is where its at. Shame its gone.
I'm completely lost in the video on comparing the EN to cars 15-30k more and modded. Yeah the S is nice 55-60k nice? God no that's hitting Audi, bmw , supra $$$
9:20 ish talking about it being smooth yet the camera shake and your seat bounce is insane lol
Fun video tho!
Exactly . These reviewers have lost all perspective.
Valid, however, It’s not a comparison, which is why I didn’t bother saying which one I prefer and what I would recommend. I’m in the market for a sport compact which is why Im making this series and testing the wide variety of options. Fenton owns a type S (I have yet to get an Acura press car) so I thought it would be fun to interview him and get his thoughts while getting a feel for the interior and Acura engine tune.
“You get what you pay for”
As a blue collar worker, not a TH-cam personality making 10’s of thousands per month, no interior is worth 20 thousand dollars more unless we’re talking Bentley level refinement. Cars have come a long way, and the N’s interior is pleasant enough and arguably even has better seats. N just posted a lap time on par with type s/r which is absurd for the price disparity.
Agree to disagree.
Fantastic content tho well thought out and exceptional production value.
Thank you! I see your point but as someone who also can’t really afford a Type S either (unless I wanted to stress myself out), the Acura still makes sense to the right buyer. Saying “you get what you pay for” isn’t necessarily a Hyundai critique and more so an acknowledgement that Hyundai couldn’t prioritize every aspect and hit that pricepoint. The Acura gives you an awesome transmission, better steering imo, more quality, space, and yes, more luxury. It’s easier for me to recommend the Hyundai to a person who wants a sport compact but this video wasn’t supposed to be a real comparison. They each earn their pricetag in their own ways to me👍
@@Realistick sure. Bigger and better materials go directly to pleasing the senses and comfort. Definitely luxury.
Not much bigger, but every inch counts. I’d imagine a lot of the money goes into the pedigree (Honda/acura quality and racing history of winning) and even dealership experience. Hyundai service is synonymous with hassle. I’d imagine the complete opposite experience when getting service at an Acura dealer.
It's not just that. There are many other aspects people tend to overlook.
The ITS/CTR uses real performance brakes, unlike the cheaper versions found on the EN. Hyundai's brakes work up to a point, but they aren't quite the same. Additionally, the ITS/CTR offers full cargo access with 60/40 split rear seats and no brace blocking your precious cargo space. In the EN, you'd have to remove the brace, which compromises chassis stiffness. Honda designed the shell to be stiffer, so it doesn’t need those braces.
The wider body of the ITS/CTR doesn’t just give it an aggressive look; it also enhances performance on the track, providing more grip in the corners, as confirmed by independent testers. This is why the CTR/ITS consistently beats the EN's times (both stock).
Moreover, there's no octane learning hassle. Imagine a performance car that defaults to regular fuel and requires a specific procedure to activate the premium fuel tune, which resets after turning off the engine. The ITS/CTR doesn’t have that problem.
These more expensive upgrades are part of what gives the CTR/ITS its competitive edge. If Hyundai were to apply similar features to the Elantra N, the price gap would narrow considerably.
@@Marbind stock N 1/4 mile 13.5. Octane learned 12.9.
Paying $20,000 for a slower car is an option for some I guess.
Type r/s 1/4 mile 13.6. No octane learning. So still 13.6.
I didn’t mention it but N is TCR world winner.
@@deenycest10710 TCR?
How is that vehicle relevant to the conversation?
The difference in time is the DCT.
Manual shows the true colors of the hp gap.
I had seen mid 13s on stock octane learned EN DCT. 🤷🏻♂️
Been following the EN platform for years I know one of two things about it. Great car but not for me.
The Elantra N is the right price, the Integra Type S isn’t. The end.
did u even watch the review 😂
He's right. For all that money, Acura should have thrown in something like sh-awd or a much better interior with cooled seats, heated rear + wheel etc.
@@janoycresnova9156how much do you want the car to weigh and throw in heated and a/c seats, where you from that manufactures Throw money away?
The Elantra N is disposable. The Type S isn’t. The end.
@@layne4376elaborate? It seemed like a keeper to me
Another difference not mentioned between the S and the R, is head-up display!
Superb video enjoy the production and a well in depth commentary around the vehicles.
Ive driven both and they are both great in their own respective ways. But the Elantra N is truly an awesome car especially for the price!!
I have a new Integra and it just makes me want the type s more what’s fun too is barely any on the road it’s unique even in the lower trims and the stock add ons are just icing
Zygrene’s ITS looks amazing
Also silly
To compare a modded Acura integra against a stock Elantra N.
Not really a comparison, it’s an episode about two extreme front wheel drive sport compacts in a series where I am considering buying one of them.
I personally am not a fan of the Elantra N's look but I must say its priced just right. The Integra Type-S is very sharp, inside and out, with the perfect blend of performance and comfort. That being said the Type-S (and Type-R for that matter) is straight up over-priced. You have to be a Honda/Acura enthusiast to see the value in those cars because from a price point, the Volkswagen Golf R and Elantra N seem like better values overall.
Elentra N the real deal you have to drive one in person the reviews don’t do justice. If you go six speed manual you’ll see what I’m taking about
@@luisserrano2921ima go dct ik its fasho way better bang for buck
Neither of those cars are as good as the type r or s though. The r and s win awards for a reason; it’s because they’re the very best in modern fwd performance while also being fairly easy to live with and very practical
@@ph4z0n18 Don't get me wrong, I 100% agree with you, I would much rather have a Type-S/Type-R over a Golf R and Elantra N, no matter the cost. However from a cost stand-point both the Type-S and Type-R are hard to justify for people who arent set on buying them.
Happy to see the cross collab with another TH-camr to get the integra
You have reached Savagegeese levels of car-based insanity. Congrats
I accept that compliment with a great deal of honor, thank you.
No he hasnt
Lmao i was going to say, not the same at. I mean this is a great video but the approach and feel, and level of technical depth, is no where near the same. @JacesOwnWorld
Forgot to mention the hassle of dealing with octane learning in the EN. Sometimes reset after turning off the engine.
Subscribing. Going to be tough to keep up this great quality, but its great to see.
🫡I’ll do my best
Yes, the Elantra N is a huge bargain. That's awesome, and truthfully, if you can't get the ITS, then go for it. However, if you leave price out, there's no way anyone would pick the CTR or ITS over the N. Hyundai has A LOT of quality control issues to figure out. Even if you're not tracking them and you just like having a sporty car, that last 10% you mentioned is what makes a car better than another.
I applaud Hyundai for making the Elantra N, but up to me I'd even skip the CTR and go with the Type S.
These are economy cars but the Acura integra wants a premium price.. you need to compare what else you can buy for that sort of money not pick on the Elantra N at $20k price saving. The Elantra N is priced reasonably and should be compared against GR Corolla or WRX.. Acura is like paying Rolex price and receive a Casio.
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You're on drugs if you think they are in same class. You guys are delusional.
En drivers want to be it so bad, your pups in this game. Heritage and engineering costs money. They are also a lot less of them on the road, you get what you pay for.
@@Jesse-x4o his entire post is they’re in different classes least price wise 😂
@@jonttran1092 the N is like a rental car compared to the S
I picked up an ITS for 49k+ tax title dmv .. Best car I've ever had
Having driven both, I just absolutely couldn't stand the clutch weight and shifter on the Elantra. And the Elantra's engine seemed to lug for me, while the Type S never does. Of course the Elantra is a much better value and I would have loved to prefer it and save all that money, but they just weren't comparable to me. The Elantra's steering also felt less responsive. Maybe others don't mind that heavier clutch.
The type R is overpriced compared to Elantra N, the Acura Integra is just a ridiculous price. They give you 5% more performance but ask 30% more price
Not about the performance difference for me, the shifter and steering feel much better on the street or a nice backroad, on track, less of a difference between the two! Also, the Honda quality and style for me are pros too👍
The Elantra N is rental car spec interior with bucket seats. There's more difference than you think. It's a bargain like Great Value products or cereal that comes in a bag. Sure it's close but it ain't the real thing 💪🏾
The Steering feel of the Type S is not noticeably better than the Elantra. In fact the EN has better steering feel and you can quote me on that
@@MK3504 we can all have an opinion, I just firmly disagree for street driving✌️
@@Jesse-x4o yep. and what car is winning the manufacturers race? the elantra LOL, rekt
Great video as always, but "dampening" is not the correct word choice here. The word you're looking for is "damping."
Nice zygrene crossover
AWD > FWD. At least the hyundai makes sense for this price. A 55k civic is ridiculous. Hyundia wins again
14:29 you didnt mention the main difference is the burble tune on the type S is waayy more crazy when modded than a type R
I can’t wait for you to finish reviewing all these amazing sport cars, only to inform us at the end of this series that you’ll be buying a Tesla M3P 🤣😆
13+ second 1/4 mile times is pretty sad.
DSG MK8 Golf R destroys everything in its class as they easily run mid 12s all stock.
Want to run mid 11s, throw a tune with e85 at it.
Plus you can fit your mountain bike in the back.
But, about the same lap time on the racetrack.
That’s because the AWD from a dig. From a roll, the EN and Type R are just as fast and are just as faster/ faster around a track.
@@ctcdarkness exactly. Golf is a tad slower on the twisty track but it’s not even close at the drag strip.
Still worrying about 0-60s when EVs exist. Real-world and track the Golf R is getting smoked
Yeah I don't get these fwd cars with 300hp going to front wheels. It's wheel spin and wheel hop constantly. Wtf is the point of that? Can't put any of that power down and get passed by much weaker cars.
MY23 EN is the best overall vehicle I’ve owned. Coming from some notable platforms such as 01S2K, 13BRZ, 05M3 & 05STI.
With the vast knowledge of Albert Biermann, he truly refined this vehicle. Kudos Hyundai.
6mt or dct?
All manual.
Nice video! I would like to see how the Integra in its stock form shows up to the plate. Would klike to know what you're getting for the $53,000 before doing any mods
On a side note - I can never understand when designing the area around the shifter how a manufacturer can decide to put the cup holders directly behind the shifter. Yes you can carry a shorter drink, and it's nice to just have cup holders, but t's really annoying to have your drinks directly behind the shifter where your arm sits from time to time. My ats-v had that and it was annoying. Now Cadillac has moved the cup holders to the side. Especially when this car is supposed to be more of a GT version of the Civic.
Thank you, I hope I can get a 2025 for a solo review next year so I can feel the stock Acura adaptive suspension tune and road noise. The rest of the drive should be pretty identical to the CTR (video on that coming soon)!
As for the cupholders, it’s an ergonomic flaw many compacts have but it’s tricky to solve and I think Honda/Acura has a great solution.
Widening the center console can work, but it could also worsen knee room. Putting the cupholders in front of the shifter can work but it can block controls or push the shifter to a more awkward position further from the wheel. Putting the cupholders behind the shifter seems to be the easiest but that can be annoying too UNLESS you make the cupholders ridiculously deep. Honda/Acura does this with the Civic and Integra so you can fit some tall bottles in there without much a problem👍
Honda should bring back a SIR version to really compete with Hyundai N's...
I had 2016 1st gen subaru hyper blue brz, and if I compare it's the interior and stereo system vs elantra n, elantra n has much better interior and stereo system than the brz despite the fact that their prices are similar.
Honda forgot who they were. That integra should be in the low 40's MAX.
FWD fans eating good
Nobody bats an eye for a Hyundai in the car scene over here no matter how much of a value proposition it is.
I’ve never heard anyone call the Type R “understated” lol
R.i.p to the Kona N after 2023 was the best out of the 2 models
Nah, the suspension was horrible on that thing. Like riding on train tracks.
@@jpizel1070 don’t know man if was great for me. I loved the overall versatility was awesome. I have upgraded to the Sonata N line 2.5t sleeper but do miss the Kona
It’s a bit less refined than the Elantra N, but I prefer it as well. Different strokes as they say…
@@oraclemiata845 so much useable for the streets
This really needed to be a modified elantra N vs stock Integra video.
Stuff like steering feel is going to be heavily affected by wheel/tire setup. The stock EN tires are 245 on 8 inch wheels, pretty pinched . The type r comes on 265/9.5, which is way more stretched and will have more steering feel.
For shifter feel, sxth element shifter bushings are amazing.
Absolutely, I want to get a stock type s in the spring for a review! I took this opportunity because interviewing Fenton seemed more valuable to me as a potential buyer. I drove a Type R right after this and while the dampening was quite different, on the street, the steering felt pretty identical. For the sake of this series, it wasn’t ideal, but I think I got the impressions that I needed.
My 2021 AWD Mazda 3 turbo hatchback does that. I normally get 5.4 to 60 and 1/4 mile of 13.89 all stock on stock tires.
That’s quite impressive! Though FWD sport compacts don’t live and die by the quarter mile. Even a base Mustang Ecoboost would challenge them until high speeds. These two in particular are about handling, fun and the ability to seriously track it with minimal upgrades. A mazda3 turbo is about hurting egos, and doing it in comfort (with nice steering)🤠
We really need a Spirit Racing Mazda 3 and CX-30
The track is where these cars shine, and where the Mazda 3 pale in comparison despite having good straight-line performance. I love the M3 don't get me wrong but there's a reason it never gets mentioned in these entry level sports car comparison videos.
@@logmeinhere yeah I think it’s a shame because not only is it fast and handles great but it has a lot of sex appeal and the interior is top-notch. I don’t get it. I mean do people really want more plastic instead of soft touch material?
@@nachomandetailingservices1057 who told you the M3 turbo has more sex appeal than a widebodied integera type S or a hyundai N? U want insane sex appeal? Get a miata
Tacked on fenders do not look as good or as aggressive as actual molded widebody fenders. They simply don't. Come on, Fenton.
Doesn’t Hyundai force you to finance through their bank? The Elantra is down 40Hp, 40lbft torque and heavier. On taller, thinner wheelset.
Also, there’s American workers building the Integra that is likely pushing the price up as well.
Not true about the financing. I just bought a Hyundai and got financed thru Fifth Thirds Bank.
If you need more room than a SS 1LE for ~$50k, I'd get a Caddie CT4-V. Might need to be slightly used. Those Hondas are really nice though, I just can't get over the prices and ADMs. I just replaced my '16 BMW 235 daily driver w/ an Elantra N. I was looking at a Si, but with ADMs the EN was just a couple grand more. I also have a SS 1LE, the EN is like a Korean Camaro.
Buyers BEWARE, We have a 2021 Veloster N. We love it, we've had no mechanical issues. However we have defective Paint, It is well in its legal rights to be repaired but Hyundai refuses to fix it. Even though it's still covered under its 3 year paint warranty AND it hasn't been voided because the cars been under 36,000 miles. We've been fighting them for over a year, and if they won't help you with paint (keep in mind ONLY the hood) GOOD LUCK having them warranty their 10 year 100,000 mile powertrain warranty. Cause your car will be sitting there dead for like 2+ years considering we've fought them for a year on paint.
It's such a cool car and it's a shame, If you purchase one don't plan on its warranty. Still, to its credit. We love the car
By the way, watching video right now and i gotta say im really enjoying the editing :)
Go to another dealer.
@@Frisky_Panda we’ve gone to 3 so far and all have refused to service the vehicle.
I pray you never have to go to Fred Bean Hyundai in Doylestown. That was the worst of the 3. They actively have deleted our appointments 2 times when they saw we put one in.
Hyundai America (corporate) had to start making us appointments remotely for that dealership.
Type S has a much better motor and looks than the Elantra. All people talk about is the price… you get what you pay for as the saying goes and there’s a reason for that
Not really. Hyundai has BMW engineers, so it's a win for Hyundai.
If not a fan of Hyundai and dont want to spend a lot of money, get the Honda civic SI
They’re about the same price used EN is way more for your money than an si
Si is too gutless.
I test drove the SI and really wanted to like it but it was probably the slowest car that I have ever driven. Considering a GTI or the Elantra N.
Unfortunately, Type S also has easily induced torque steer...
Depends on the situation, but for fwd, it's very limited. I could floor it on a regular road and it would track straight, even in first/second
If I’m buying a car in the low to mid $50k range, I’d rather get a used M340i xDrive.
Why do people hate on FWD?
I know that looks are subjective, so take this with a grain of salt, but the Acura Integra type S is a stunning car. the Hyundai ELANTRA N at least to my eyes is an ugly duckling. I can’t get over those stupid lines on the side of the car, while they improved the front end this year I still don’t like it. I’ve driven both of these cars and while the N is fun, it’s just not simply in the same league as the type S. But to be fair to the ELANTRA, it is considerably less expensive. So my advice is, if you just can’t afford the type S then the N would be great performance option as long as you’re OK with the looks. But if you can afford the Type S I would 100% go for that
The Integra is overpriced, but it is a fantastic car to experience. Have driven both an ITS and a Supra. I like the ITS's handling, just a little bit better. I like the Hyundai, but I'd rather have the Integra for the way it drives.
This car is in a weird place, at the same price an M240i is so much faster with proper drive wheels, and the interior quality is not even in the same universe, but this car is a lot more engaging and enjoyable to drive. I don't think the Type S would even exist if you could reliably get Type R for MSRP, it was a market created but dealer markup.
You forgot to mention the difference in practicality.
More rear seat space and storage.
Main reason I didn’t even consider the M240.
Don’t forget the typical german over engineered powertrain that cost more to maintain/repair.
@@Marbind Suppose so, the m240i is plenty practical enough for me.
@@progpogs depends on your needs.
It won’t work for me.
Great value but come on, are you really comparing the quality to a ITS or Type R, the manual is up there in best shifters, better looks (The N is just ugly), and honda reliability...if price is all you care about then, go ahead to each of your own.
The Elantra N front end is so ugly compared to the Veloster N and i30 N lol
@@Unchainedmaple888 the whole thing is ugly. The non N versions look like a cheap Buick from the 80s.
Subjective comment is subjective….
if money is not the problem? I would go for the Acura, thanks 😀
But it is. If money wasn't a problem, you wouldn't even consider the Acura
@@orangejuice-xi3gt yes I would buy a BMW
This is a great video.
Called a bunch of Honda dealers in the PNW and got denied my "offer" of $5k over msrp for AN FL5 (which was just a question) lol. Put a deposit down on a DE5 for msrp the same week.
EN is way too ugly and I don't trust the brand yet. FL5 for msrp would be cool but it's a huge game.
@@ZWortek Honda dealers are the biggest flaw of the FL5, glad that Acura could save the day.
@@Realistick Exactly. To be fair, the Acura dealers in WA appear to be charging significant markup relative to OR at the moment, but I was able to find one before having to call all of them. FL5 was all $5-10k no budging under $5k though because they're flying off showroom floors at $5k over. I was on the list for $5k over on an FL5 in transit and the car sold as soon as it got to the dealership and I received no call about it lol.
I really like the Hyundai, but I can't trust their reliability, especially engines and auto trans.
It's too bad that Elantra is so ugly...
The Elantra is ugly though
Hyundai engines are subpar. They lack power and fuel economy numbers are always padded to the good. They are unrefined, raspy, and clunky. Get the Acura.
I don’t think they have the greatest character with the powerband (neither does the ITS) but the performance and sound are great, and so far, this engine has been pretty solid, time will tell more.
I think you're living in the past there, this is no longer the Hyundai of old.
Semi-closed deck is subpar? What an intelligent comment.
This is ignorant and uninformed. I’m sorry
Have you driven hyundais lately?