I fished with Troy on Lake Champlain this year in a costa series event. He got his limit quick and culled a few early in the day. After he was comfortable with his weight he positioned the boat and gave me multiple opportunities to try and get my limit. So needless to say, I had a good experience with him!
One of the best Co-Angler I know fishes directly behind the boat. He asked the boater if he would leave the dash sonar on to watch. Anytime a fish went under the boat, he dropped a drop shot on it. He often caught more weight, and his back was to the pro.
I am a bank fisherman & never fished any tournaments. I am looking into fishing as a co-angler, with that said for me personally I am gonna ask the boater before we leave the doc where exactly is off limits to me so that way we both are on the same page.. plus I would assume that everything from his steering wheel to back motor is my area to fish seeing that I am in the back of the boat.. again I never fished any tournaments. That is just me. Thank you for this video..
Whether your "fun" fishing or in a tournament, the person in the back should use good judgement in where they cast. There is additional difficulty in running a boat all day, and the person on the front should be given adequate space and courtesy. I would defer to what rules are clearly defined by the organization running the tournament and discuss with your Partner before the 1st cast is made. If there are no clear rules, and the boater is clearly jamming or front ending you all day, then I would have-at whatever you need to do. Many people have already said it, but "Partnering" or "teaming" is the best way to make it enjoyable, and as a boater I always want to see my Partner do well. I have also had it handed to me more then once by fine anglers fishing from the back.(Hey that stings, but it happens) Less then 5% of everyone fishing is doing much more then breaking in the cash department, so some need to get over themselves. You can still be competitive, fair, and enjoy a sport we all obviously love, without being a dick in any part of the boat. Good fishing my friends!
This is one of The BEST videos I have seen on youtube! Very informative and should be a "must see" for any tournaments with co-anglers. Thank you for producing this.
I always hated fishing the back. Without fail, the guy in front would make it impossible for me to fish anything but his used water with structure like this. I always did a slow burn in the back. Fortunately, we didn't have much of this type of structure and we mostly fished break lines or flats with weed clumps where both anglers had decent opportunities. But, the problem always arose when around the docks... But, in my boat, I always gave the guy in the back equal opportunities to catch fish. This was especially good when fishing team tournaments. Anymore, I'd have nothing to do with tournaments.
I guess I'm unique as a boater as I want the best possible day for my co-angler. That being said I'm not fishing for $30,000-100,000 checks. Probably the reason I will never fish at that level. I'd rather fish small to mid-sized tournaments where the goals are friendships and enjoying god's creation. I've given my co-angler the front of the boat if he's on a hot pattern, and have also forced myself to use different strategies, both to learn, and to ensure the co-angler has a good day. Thanks for the video as I learned a few things about how professional anglers see things different.
Man that is good on you...some of that i wouldnt do unless i had no shot and he was in to win big...like aoy or somethin. Otherwise just be fair with boat positioning, put in the work to find fish, and help them out too is all any co angler should want.
Nice video. Gonna be fishing my first BFL in a few weeks as a co-angler. I’m pumped. Thanks for all the information and tips for being a co-angler. Subscribed!
I don't fish major tournaments only local. As a boater whether I'm on fish or not. Prize money. Money invested. Etc. I'll always position my boat to where my co anglers have a chance to catch them. It's either I catch them or I don't vise versa to the Co. Free for all.
Best way to minimalize any confrontation is to own your own boat and be courteous to your partner. I couldn't imagine throwing the net at my co angler because he got a bigger fish or has a fatter bag.
Tensions can run high when there is a lot of money on the line. A pro of that caliber wouldn't get mad at a co catching fish, but a cast past the pro would most certainly draw that reaction. Wish we had more footage, but I've got no doubt that's what happened.
This is why I fish the solo series or pick-em series only. The only rule I have as non-boater is if I see water, I'm putting my bait there. I don't care what the "unwritten rules" are. If you want or need rules, write them down. I've had boaters intentionally have me back to the dock late because I busted a bag on them. I've had boaters toss behind the back of the boats, over me when I've had a huge topwater blow-up that missed. So, if you have me as a non-boater, you better be ready for the fork, or the cake. I refuse to let you have both. I paid to be there too.
This is a great video with a ton of good information. As a boater I will say this...the co-angler has a good amount of money and resources tied up in fishing that tournament as well. A reaction like he had to that co catching that fish was uncalled for and incredibly unprofessional. That co angler should have embarrassed him and ridiculed him on camera for that. You do a fantastic job of communicating and your pros were likely counting their lucky stars for it. Honestly you are likely being far too kind. If I sit down to re-tie, whatever cover I was fishing is fair game. Telling a co to not fish forward of the windshield is a joke...especially if paralleling a bank. At the end of the day communication is key, but many boaters need to get over themselves and realize we are all in this to have some fun and with any luck make a little money too.
Man it is sad a lot of people just don't see it that way. BFLs and COSTAS are way different. Not saying I won't help my CO I most definitely will. and I will respect the money he put up and stands to lose. I've also seen Cos fly in the night before and want to know everything for the next day after a Pro/boater has practiced all week or more!!! I just want there to be more mutual respect.
@@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors a lof of people fish these things for the first or second time around and have not formed enough relationships to get the opportunities to practice. So it would not make since to fly in 3 to 4 days prior just to sit on the bank for a Costa event the stakes and money is too much to burn all that extra money if you know you dont know anyone that you can get on the water with to practice, but to your point that is still no excuse for not knowing what to throw and expecting your boater to give you all the answers to the test. It's your opportunity to know what's up. I think turning the boat or positioning it so that your Co is boxed out is just as wrong as casting over the boaters head. There is a lot of grey area in what is considered the front often time and if the two don't communicate it could be a long day.
As a co angler I don't like the fact that we get back boated because we didn't have enough money to buy a dang boat yet...some of these boater don't really know what they are doing and can't find fish...Ive been in a boat with a guy who basically just owned a boat..I outfished him easily ..those are the boaters I don't like hitting me with all the rules..like we can all learn from one another..it should be geared more to helping each other win #TeamWorkMakesTheDreamWork
I dont care who is right or wrong. There is a way to talk to me and a way not too! If someone feels i did something the wrong way you tell me in a way i can respect!
What ever pro. I draw in Kissimmee Jan 12 - 15. I'm gonna sponge any and all info. Most important. I will be your best first mate. Learn. Do everything I can do to help you win. On that day.....
There isnt a written rule. Just an understanding. I know as a boater i wouldnt want my co angler casting in front of me...and thats why i would not do it as a co.
Awesome video. It’s annoying when fishing become no more fun because you are busy arguing and fishing with someone else on your boat or anyone’s boat, money kills the fun of it. However I do appreciate tournament fishing helping people and giving them a better life to live.
Good tips, I usually fish team tournaments so I never have to worry about off limits, but sometimes when fun fishing with friends or in tournaments my partners will cast in front and I’m like dude take the trolling motor. Also if I’m sacking them up front and my buddy in the back is catching nothing, I’ll let them take the trolling motor. However for some reason I’m still catching them from the back and he’s catching nothing.
What are you talking about? He was fishing it. He turned his boat that way towards that structure because he knew there was a fish in that area. Clearly you don't have a clue about fishing or Boater & Co-angler situations. Troy was 100% justified. That co-angler was a total prick.
@@alexcoleman9848 From what I saw, the co caught the fish off the bank, the boater had turned away from it and towards the pier. At that point, it became fair game for the co.
You can't control where the co-anglers cast. Time and time again they will fish above the console. I just tell them as long as we dont cross lines it's ok. Otherwise I would have to back boat them and that's not fair. Like you said there should be a happy medium out there.
"Any boater that, in the judgment of the tournament director, operates the boat in such a manner that unfairly handicaps his/her co-angler and any co-angler who unfairly handicaps his/her boater may be disqualified for that day." We all know pilings and cover hold fish. Be happy for your Co and move on.
@Top Dawg LOL....Easy there KVD. You don't have to grace the back of your boat with a co angler, you have the option to fish solo. Judging by your attitude, that's probably the best option. Are you getting out fished by the scummy co anglers, is that why you are bitter😂
@Top Dawg Wouldn't know, I don't do tournaments with a co angler format. Just seems like you should know that you'd be placed with a lot of novice anglers, not really in it to win it.
I own a boat, I fish from the front. No need to cast past the bow, I turn the boat and point to the juice and say get it. It's not that serious lol. If my co gets a 10 and I get a 2, I'm pretty pumped. Means we're doing the right thing. Nothing like putting a boat on the trailer to show em 😂😂. Owning a boat doesn't mean you control the person on the back, it means you help them be successful. Maybe I've just got the wrong mentality. 🎣
@@nope6770 what's even more comical is complaining about 200 dollars in gas. Average price of a bass boat is around 70k, entry fees are around a thousand. Maybe tournament angling isn't for everyone. 🤷♂️
My opinion, if Troy knew there was a fish there, he should've/would've casted to the target. Odds are there were other issues/instances with that co doing similar things previously to boil it over.
Probably. He said he missed it a day before. I can tell by the boat postioning he didnt want that co casting near the dock at all....and his reaction tells me that co casted to far forward to begin with
On a piece of cover with a bunch of targets to hit like that, (with some exceptions, e.g. if a fish is on a bed or you're on a lake where the potential to have multiple fish on one piece of cover isn't high) you're generally not going to want to hit the juice on the first cast. You want to pick off the outside stuff first. Those are bonus bites if you get them. If you yank one out of the heart of it first cast, all you do is disrupt the entire piece of cover and really screw your chances of picking up bonus fish here and there. There are a number of things that separate pros from even great local guys -- this is one of them. Thanks for your opinion though.
I’m sorry but I disagree with most of this video and in whole on how co anglers are treated on a regular basis. I’m been a conangler and a boater and first and foremost I’ve never charged a co angler a rider fee. To many times are co anglers treated poorly, as long as my conangler isn’t buzzing my head on a cast I don’t care. If I’m paying 475 an event plus travel expenses I’ll be damned if a boater is going to back seat me or disrespect me. I get it, it’s your boat and you paid more but that doesn’t mean the co angler shouldnt be able to compete.
Each boat is different and i really appreciate the manner of your disagreement. I was severly back boated on the final day of the champlain costa. Im not whining just stating the fact. After that i made a promise not to back boat my coangler. This video is just designed to show where 90% of boaters dont want their coanglers casting. My hope is it helps avoid confrontation between people by clearing up the boundaries a little.
Beyond The Bounds yea, but the video shared of the FLW conflict, you would of seen me digging into that boater. Your not going to speak to me like that especially on national TV. I’m a grown man and not afraid of conflict. I would of and routinely do remind a boater that a co angler not afraid of conflict can make it a miserable day for both. Tie on that old giant jitter bug and drag his line all day if your going to act like that or back seat me.
So what do you think FLW refers to about the rule that states, “in no way the boater can handicap his co angler”? That might not be the exact words but I think it’s close
Very good question....how will you prove you were handicapped? Even the day i was seriously and purposely backboated i could still make casts...i was casting into the abyss lol but even with the video i cant prove i was handicapped. This is what i eluded to when i spoke about...it will suck. By all means dont give them gas money. But plenty of co anglers will blank every event.
Me and Troy would have had a problem with him throwing that fish like a damn toddler throwing a tantrum. If he knew the fish was there why wasn't he fishing that spot? Up in the front trying to handicap his co-angler. Cast wherever you want. Don't hook anybody and try not to cross or tangle lines. If I am in the front of my boat I expect my co-angler to be covering the fishing spot just as good as I am.
I had this a few times this year the anchor mode lends itself to angler fishing off the back deck corner. I did twice forget we were not fishing a team event but quickly took bait out of the area he was focused on.
3:45 Fishing for $125,000, knew the fish was there, but wasn't pitching his bait at the fish? Come on man.......... I've fished for $1 and if I know a solid keeper is in front of me, I'm working on that fish. That sounds silly.
I’ve had boaters get mad because I’ve caught fish behind them. Boaters are gonna wine no matter what and 90% of the time they’re fishing to fast any way. So I decided along time ago if it’s not a written rule I’m gonna do what I want. I do have a boat as well but don’t always go as a boater. Sometimes the boater is just a winy ass with an ego problem that thinks he should catch all the fish and if your not throwing the right bait in the right way your not going to catch the fish the biggest example is people always throwing crankbaits, I hate crankbaits unless I’m fishing ledges or they’re eating them consistently.(which almost never happens where I’m at)
For sure I had a boater get mad at me cause I caught three fish and he didn’t catch anything, so he intentionally made us late to weigh in so therefore I got DQED at a state finals tournament. I wasn’t even a dick about it, after I caught the first two within 15min of each other he asked what I was fishing with I told him and the gave him everything he needed to catch fish. His reply after about 10min of fishing with the rig I set up for him was, “man, I just can’t fish like this.” Because I was fishing extremely slow. 5 min after he laid down the rig I gave him I caught my third. 🤷♂️ I was humble even after he made me late but it was like damn dude your a POS.
That boater has already fished past that fish. Looking at that particular situation it looks like the boater has already moved past that fish since he is casting off to the right side now. So why is he mad at the Co for catching a fish on the left side of the boat? Sure the Co is casting to the front of the boat but he is not casting to unfished water. He is still fishing "behind" the boater in water the boater has already hit.
100% correct! I wanna know have you caught a bass in a good looking laydown that may have 10 🐢 sunbathing on it,then when they see you coming they go diving in. Does that mess that spot up. Cause I haven't caught jack on 🐢 hotel!
@@jordanlee4279 they have too under the rules...cant fish alone...too many cheaters...at weigh in for the fish they sign an official document validating the other persons catch
I feel like I see refs on boats, but why even bother being a sco angler when 90 percent of the time the front of the boat gets firsts dibs on fish and the power to go where he wants? I want to look a stat up and see how many times a co angler has won a tourney bet under 5 percent
Shit ive been back seated hard told not to cast he said were fishing left to right. So he could pick it apart gave me nothing. Good luck getting any gas money.
My only top ten this year I had a great boater purposely give me area to catch my limit fish to secure the top ten. Most boaters are AWESOME regular guys, I think all probably are in the right situation.
Only happen to me one time. I was upset, so upset that when I have someone on the back of the boat I am cognizant of them being there and treat them as well as I was always treated by the awesome men that I had learned from. What this man did at the beginning of the video is just typical "I am a pro" big head, he believed that all fish worth having belonged to him. Like when Scott Martin thought that locals should get out of his way when he was fishing a tournament because he was a pro.
Talk down to me or dirt me from the front of the boat and I will do my best to make sure your day is as productive as mine ! There is no I'm a God setting on a trolling motor !
GREAT VID!! THE FOLLOWING IS SIMPLY ONE PERSON’S PERSPECTIVE. ALL OTHER PERSPECTIVES ARE APPRECIATED AND RESPECTED,SINCE WE’RE ALL DIFFERENT (that’s what make life awesome!!) Hey ya’all 👋!! I just watched this video and read EVERY COMMENT AND EVERY REPLY. I haven’t fished a tournament in over 20 yrs, yet will be starting from scratch next year. I don’t own a boat, I have limited equipment, and my time on the water has been virtually ZERO. So what, right? So this: money makes people do weird stuff. It actually makes people MORE of who they really are. If your a grounded, respectful, GRATEFUL person without $$, you will (generally!!) be MORE SO with $$. We all have a choice. IF YOU CHOOSE to fish solo, you have 💯 % control of your tournaments. IF YOU ARE THE BOATER AND CHOOSE TO FISH CO-ANGLER TOURNAMENTS, imo there must be some give. The boater CANNOT fish the whole boat every minute of the day, so the co has to have SOMEPLACE to fish from, right? Don’t get me wrong.... the boater CAN fish WHEREVER they want from THEIR BOAT.....it’s their boat!! Yet, if they’re fishing from a place of respect, they should understand that they physically CANNOT be EVERYWHERE in the boat during the day. Now..... the boater (BEING THE BOATER!!) must require respect from the co as well. The co physically cannot fish the whole boat either (right?). Therefore, BOTH ANGLERS should fish with the understanding that: 1) The boater and the co have invested time and money to be together; quantifying either simply creates a disparity, and leads to an improper judgement. Time and money VALUE is determined by the person EXPENDING them. Who spent more or less is irrelevant. Do you VALUE the person and what they’ve done to be with you?!!? 2) If it’s not YOUR BOAT, you’re fishing on private property, you should leave it better than you found it, you should ask permission for anything that may seem questionable to you, you should offer to give the boater compensation for use of their property. 3) IF IT IS YOUR BOAT, the co is YOUR GUEST, and hopefully your student. You have every right to the ideas in #2 above. AND IF THE CO DOES NOT FIT #2, they are bing a poor guest, and IMO, IGNORANT , and it is your professional duty to swiftly and respectfully INFORM them of the situation. If the response is anything LESS THAN #2 above, you can choose to have a rough day with them, constantly disrespecting you, or quit the day. Either option sucks!!!!! In the end, we’re all out to win and have fun doing it. If you can’t show respect for another human, maybe you should be in the NFL(lol.... a little tongue in cheek humor, but timely!!) I hope that when the time comes next year, that IF I’m fishing as a co (which I’m sure I will), my boater will show equal respect to me as I to them. TIGHT LINES, YA’all!! I wish nothing but the best for you in your tournament pursuits!!!!! Peace ✌️
Awesome video man I had a very similar situation with my son his lure landed on mine and the fish toke his lure. I explained to him about control and bounds and if it was another angler what would have been the outcome. ..
Here is my take on this.....MESS. Me and my fishing partner always know that we just don't ever cross lines. The co angler casts the opposite side of the boat, after the front man casts. You go right, I go left, and vice versa. It is basically called RESPECT. Hampering the co angler to not cross the console is, in my mind, ridiculous. I do not agree with Troy on this and I think it was totally unsportsmanlike. If I throw in a hole, and then you throw in the same hole right behind me, then we may have a problem. Never, EVER position the boat to hamper your partner, and this is what Troy did.
I sure wish they wouldn't position the boat like that but I understand they put money into this. I think troy's response was really triggered by the coanglers action. He has been pro long enough that he isn't getting upset over a coangler just catching a fish.
I Most certainly agree especially since that happened to me as i was fishing for my first top 5 in a COSTA, but that is separate from what i am discussing here.
Oh my..... I have just lost so much respect for the fishing community of which I’ve been a “member” all my life. “Off limits”.... I understand courtesy and just being an all-around amazing, kind, and super awesome fisherman, but putting “limits” on what somebody can or cannot fish.... especially when it all boils down to the fact that this is 100% in laymen’s terms - Fishing. Regardless of the semantics behind messily money being involved. Most definitely makes this whole thing petty and absolutely ludicrous... can’t believe someone would be so greedy when it comes to Fishing. I guess I just can’t understand it because Fishing to me is so much more than just me catching a fish. But I guess it’s whatever
This is solely for tournaments. I let friends cast whereever they want. But yes this is an unwritten rule in bass tournaments and i am just educating new people to the sport so they feel more comfortable with knowing what to do.
Beyond The Bounds really I’m just curious in all honesty. As a “co-angler”, meaning you’re working as a team, why would anyone get upset at their partner casting where he or she sees a serious opportunity to catch a fish to help out the team (the both of them)? If each angler is truly fishing as a “team” then in no form or fashion should ANYONE think that the other angler is doing anything BUT the best for their team. Every anglers knowledge when it comes to fishing and or seeing the water as a fish does is completely different. That being said if my “co-angler“ casts where he believes to be the statistically likely (from his knowledge) being that our team interests are being held higher than our individual interests, there would be no logical reason to either get upset and or set restrictions upon cast areas. I mean I really just feel like this to me indicates that these professional bass fisherman are not actually “team mates“ but are really just out for individual glory and their own enjoyment of fishing. But if that’s the case, they need to stick to solo fishing LOL... just my opinion. By the way I absolutely love your videos, I watch all of them. I just can’t really understand why teammates would restrict their other teammate. Unless for some weird reason they’re both on the same boat fishing against each other LOL.
Fishing Milwaukee that guy getting pissed as his teammate for catching a bass where he selfishly wanted to cast (to be in control) doesn’t look like good etiquette to me bro. Threw the fish down on the deck of the boat.... IMO seems like a poor sport and bad teammate.
I remember when I was fishing a BFL and I was throwing a shad rap down a rocky bank on a spinning rod and my CO angler was throwing way in front of the boat with he's crankbait and caught a 4 lb fish. I was young and didn't say anything because I didn't want to be mean but that's not cool at all in my opinion CO anglers shouldn't be doing that
Great advise always preplanning the day with your co angler, understanding how you fish hopefully we know what to expect from one another and I've seen this happen bank fishing and your buddy clearly should have known better and cause a tangled mess, and your like I can't believe this just happened. Hunting , fishing e.t.c it shouldn't happen but it does. Get have a plan !
Bottom line, it’s a team effort out there! Don’t be a water hog!! I’m a front man all the time and my buddy at the back NEVER has any “off limits” Sure he ends up steal’n a few fish from me but hey, first come first served!
Well it may be their boat but guess what...I’m on that boat too. So don’t be casting over me in the back or we gonna have problems. Then he’ll really see what casting over someone means.
Slice it however you want, the pro angler was being an asshole. He probably talks to folks like that a lot. Eventually it will catch up to him and he will learn a horribly painful lesson in manners.
wish we could see the whole video. But boaters don't get mad like that without good reason. Yeah....they don't like seeing a Co get a good big fish....it means they missed it more than likely. But that level of mad really requires more than just someone catching a fish.
As a tournament angler I get his frustration but 1) did he lay the ground rules down prior to launch and 2) did he really have to throw the net down with the fish in it? That was a d*** move and could have killed the fish which would have been even worse for the co-angler. Communication is key. No need to act like that. Be a man, don't be a d***
@@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors yes sir love that guy always helping me out, always bugging him on some advice for my fishing trips and gear. Then I come to you check out your reviews . I'm always checking out your channel good stuff keep up the great work my dude.
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I fished with Troy on Lake Champlain this year in a costa series event. He got his limit quick and culled a few early in the day. After he was comfortable with his weight he positioned the boat and gave me multiple opportunities to try and get my limit. So needless to say, I had a good experience with him!
Good to hear. We'll never know what all led up to that frustration.
Yea, there’s not telling!
Totally agree I be been in boats where boaters don’t care if you cast at all, you have expenses also, then to deal with a a-hole like that
Good info. Thanx beyond the bounds
Great video. Thanks
Great video I’ll definitely going to share with my club members
One of the best Co-Angler I know fishes directly behind the boat. He asked the boater if he would leave the dash sonar on to watch. Anytime a fish went under the boat, he dropped a drop shot on it. He often caught more weight, and his back was to the pro.
Goin on my first co angler tourney Kissimmee in January. I am preparing now. All info well appreciated
Thank god I have a beautiful new tournament boat.
I am a bank fisherman & never fished any tournaments. I am looking into fishing as a co-angler, with that said for me personally I am gonna ask the boater before we leave the doc where exactly is off limits to me so that way we both are on the same page.. plus I would assume that everything from his steering wheel to back motor is my area to fish seeing that I am in the back of the boat.. again I never fished any tournaments. That is just me. Thank you for this video..
Good luck buddy wish you the best that is a great attitude and plan.
Whether your "fun" fishing or in a tournament, the person in the back should use good judgement in where they cast. There is additional difficulty in running a boat all day, and the person on the front should be given adequate space and courtesy. I would defer to what rules are clearly defined by the organization running the tournament and discuss with your Partner before the 1st cast is made. If there are no clear rules, and the boater is clearly jamming or front ending you all day, then I would have-at whatever you need to do. Many people have already said it, but "Partnering" or "teaming" is the best way to make it enjoyable, and as a boater I always want to see my Partner do well. I have also had it handed to me more then once by fine anglers fishing from the back.(Hey that stings, but it happens) Less then 5% of everyone fishing is doing much more then breaking in the cash department, so some need to get over themselves. You can still be competitive, fair, and enjoy a sport we all obviously love, without being a dick in any part of the boat. Good fishing my friends!
This is one of The BEST videos I have seen on youtube! Very informative and should be a "must see" for any tournaments with co-anglers. Thank you for producing this.
What do you think of the theory staying parallel or behind, but never ahead of the front guys line? It seems like an easy way to stay consistent.
Parallel would be a bit close...and as a co i wouldnt do that in a tourney but definitely always behind the boater
That pro was clearly back boating the co angler. Piss poor pro !
I always hated fishing the back. Without fail, the guy in front would make it impossible for me to fish anything but his used water with structure like this. I always did a slow burn in the back. Fortunately, we didn't have much of this type of structure and we mostly fished break lines or flats with weed clumps where both anglers had decent opportunities. But, the problem always arose when around the docks... But, in my boat, I always gave the guy in the back equal opportunities to catch fish. This was especially good when fishing team tournaments. Anymore, I'd have nothing to do with tournaments.
I guess I'm unique as a boater as I want the best possible day for my co-angler. That being said I'm not fishing for $30,000-100,000 checks. Probably the reason I will never fish at that level. I'd rather fish small to mid-sized tournaments where the goals are friendships and enjoying god's creation. I've given my co-angler the front of the boat if he's on a hot pattern, and have also forced myself to use different strategies, both to learn, and to ensure the co-angler has a good day. Thanks for the video as I learned a few things about how professional anglers see things different.
Man that is good on you...some of that i wouldnt do unless i had no shot and he was in to win big...like aoy or somethin. Otherwise just be fair with boat positioning, put in the work to find fish, and help them out too is all any co angler should want.
Nice video. Gonna be fishing my first BFL in a few weeks as a co-angler. I’m pumped. Thanks for all the information and tips for being a co-angler. Subscribed!
I don't fish major tournaments only local. As a boater whether I'm on fish or not. Prize money. Money invested. Etc. I'll always position my boat to where my co anglers have a chance to catch them. It's either I catch them or I don't vise versa to the Co. Free for all.
Man that really is the right attitude. I don't promise to give a co the first shot at some cover, but I will position the boat in a fair manner.
Best way to minimalize any confrontation is to own your own boat and be courteous to your partner. I couldn't imagine throwing the net at my co angler because he got a bigger fish or has a fatter bag.
Tensions can run high when there is a lot of money on the line. A pro of that caliber wouldn't get mad at a co catching fish, but a cast past the pro would most certainly draw that reaction. Wish we had more footage, but I've got no doubt that's what happened.
I wanna be a co angler but fear of being back boated is at it's all time high.
Troy didnt know a fish was there . Otherwise he woulda caught it off the back.
This is why I fish the solo series or pick-em series only. The only rule I have as non-boater is if I see water, I'm putting my bait there. I don't care what the "unwritten rules" are. If you want or need rules, write them down. I've had boaters intentionally have me back to the dock late because I busted a bag on them. I've had boaters toss behind the back of the boats, over me when I've had a huge topwater blow-up that missed. So, if you have me as a non-boater, you better be ready for the fork, or the cake. I refuse to let you have both. I paid to be there too.
This is a great video with a ton of good information. As a boater I will say this...the co-angler has a good amount of money and resources tied up in fishing that tournament as well. A reaction like he had to that co catching that fish was uncalled for and incredibly unprofessional. That co angler should have embarrassed him and ridiculed him on camera for that. You do a fantastic job of communicating and your pros were likely counting their lucky stars for it. Honestly you are likely being far too kind. If I sit down to re-tie, whatever cover I was fishing is fair game. Telling a co to not fish forward of the windshield is a joke...especially if paralleling a bank. At the end of the day communication is key, but many boaters need to get over themselves and realize we are all in this to have some fun and with any luck make a little money too.
Man it is sad a lot of people just don't see it that way. BFLs and COSTAS are way different. Not saying I won't help my CO I most definitely will. and I will respect the money he put up and stands to lose. I've also seen Cos fly in the night before and want to know everything for the next day after a Pro/boater has practiced all week or more!!! I just want there to be more mutual respect.
@@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors a lof of people fish these things for the first or second time around and have not formed enough relationships to get the opportunities to practice. So it would not make since to fly in 3 to 4 days prior just to sit on the bank for a Costa event the stakes and money is too much to burn all that extra money if you know you dont know anyone that you can get on the water with to practice, but to your point that is still no excuse for not knowing what to throw and expecting your boater to give you all the answers to the test. It's your opportunity to know what's up. I think turning the boat or positioning it so that your Co is boxed out is just as wrong as casting over the boaters head. There is a lot of grey area in what is considered the front often time and if the two don't communicate it could be a long day.
As a co angler I don't like the fact that we get back boated because we didn't have enough money to buy a dang boat yet...some of these boater don't really know what they are doing and can't find fish...Ive been in a boat with a guy who basically just owned a boat..I outfished him easily ..those are the boaters I don't like hitting me with all the rules..like we can all learn from one another..it should be geared more to helping each other win #TeamWorkMakesTheDreamWork
I dont care who is right or wrong. There is a way to talk to me and a way not too! If someone feels i did something the wrong way you tell me in a way i can respect!
And there you go you get it it’s about being a man and not a baby
What ever pro. I draw in Kissimmee Jan 12 - 15. I'm gonna sponge any and all info. Most important. I will be your best first mate. Learn. Do everything I can do to help you win. On that day.....
Well done
Is there any written rule that states where you can cast and can’t cast or is it all unwritten sportsmanship
There isnt a written rule. Just an understanding. I know as a boater i wouldnt want my co angler casting in front of me...and thats why i would not do it as a co.
Awesome video. It’s annoying when fishing become no more fun because you are busy arguing and fishing with someone else on your boat or anyone’s boat, money kills the fun of it. However I do appreciate tournament fishing helping people and giving them a better life to live.
It’s about having fun and enjoying what God has given all of us,money means nothing.
Good tips, I usually fish team tournaments so I never have to worry about off limits, but sometimes when fun fishing with friends or in tournaments my partners will cast in front and I’m like dude take the trolling motor. Also if I’m sacking them up front and my buddy in the back is catching nothing, I’ll let them take the trolling motor. However for some reason I’m still catching them from the back and he’s catching nothing.
If Troy knew that bass was there why wasn’t he fishing it... I don’t think I could ever be a coangler I would not of taken his baby tantrum to well
What are you talking about? He was fishing it. He turned his boat that way towards that structure because he knew there was a fish in that area. Clearly you don't have a clue about fishing or Boater & Co-angler situations. Troy was 100% justified. That co-angler was a total prick.
@@alexcoleman9848 From what I saw, the co caught the fish off the bank, the boater had turned away from it and towards the pier. At that point, it became fair game for the co.
You can't control where the co-anglers cast. Time and time again they will fish above the console. I just tell them as long as we dont cross lines it's ok. Otherwise I would have to back boat them and that's not fair. Like you said there should be a happy medium out there.
Very close to what ive asked mine to do. I just say everything is fair game unless the front of the boat is pointed at it
Another thing you rarely see talked about is: it speaks VOLUMES when you and you co bust bags. Speaks volumes about the boater.
Wow. I'd never seen that Troy Morrow incident. I got nervous just watching.
Where is no such OFFICIAL rule in FLW tournaments as far as I know where co-angler cannot cast. Louis please confirm that.
Isn't that Marty as co?
"Any boater that, in the judgment of the tournament director, operates the boat in such a manner that unfairly handicaps his/her co-angler and any co-angler who unfairly handicaps his/her boater may be disqualified for that day." We all know pilings and cover hold fish. Be happy for your Co and move on.
@Top Dawg LOL....Easy there KVD. You don't have to grace the back of your boat with a co angler, you have the option to fish solo. Judging by your attitude, that's probably the best option. Are you getting out fished by the scummy co anglers, is that why you are bitter😂
@Top Dawg Wouldn't know, I don't do tournaments with a co angler format. Just seems like you should know that you'd be placed with a lot of novice anglers, not really in it to win it.
I own a boat, I fish from the front. No need to cast past the bow, I turn the boat and point to the juice and say get it. It's not that serious lol. If my co gets a 10 and I get a 2, I'm pretty pumped. Means we're doing the right thing. Nothing like putting a boat on the trailer to show em 😂😂. Owning a boat doesn't mean you control the person on the back, it means you help them be successful. Maybe I've just got the wrong mentality. 🎣
@@joegatie6495 That's what I'd do also. I think he is just a "get off my lawn" type.
@@nope6770 what's even more comical is complaining about 200 dollars in gas. Average price of a bass boat is around 70k, entry fees are around a thousand. Maybe tournament angling isn't for everyone. 🤷♂️
Great vid man! Very well said!!
It really just boils down to who can whip who's ass obviously ole buddy on the bow felt like he could give the ole man them hands 😂😂😂
Lol
My opinion, if Troy knew there was a fish there, he should've/would've casted to the target. Odds are there were other issues/instances with that co doing similar things previously to boil it over.
Probably. He said he missed it a day before. I can tell by the boat postioning he didnt want that co casting near the dock at all....and his reaction tells me that co casted to far forward to begin with
On a piece of cover with a bunch of targets to hit like that, (with some exceptions, e.g. if a fish is on a bed or you're on a lake where the potential to have multiple fish on one piece of cover isn't high) you're generally not going to want to hit the juice on the first cast. You want to pick off the outside stuff first. Those are bonus bites if you get them. If you yank one out of the heart of it first cast, all you do is disrupt the entire piece of cover and really screw your chances of picking up bonus fish here and there. There are a number of things that separate pros from even great local guys -- this is one of them.
Thanks for your opinion though.
I’m sorry but I disagree with most of this video and in whole on how co anglers are treated on a regular basis. I’m been a conangler and a boater and first and foremost I’ve never charged a co angler a rider fee. To many times are co anglers treated poorly, as long as my conangler isn’t buzzing my head on a cast I don’t care. If I’m paying 475 an event plus travel expenses I’ll be damned if a boater is going to back seat me or disrespect me. I get it, it’s your boat and you paid more but that doesn’t mean the co angler shouldnt be able to compete.
Each boat is different and i really appreciate the manner of your disagreement. I was severly back boated on the final day of the champlain costa. Im not whining just stating the fact. After that i made a promise not to back boat my coangler. This video is just designed to show where 90% of boaters dont want their coanglers casting. My hope is it helps avoid confrontation between people by clearing up the boundaries a little.
Beyond The Bounds yea, but the video shared of the FLW conflict, you would of seen me digging into that boater. Your not going to speak to me like that especially on national TV. I’m a grown man and not afraid of conflict. I would of and routinely do remind a boater that a co angler not afraid of conflict can make it a miserable day for both. Tie on that old giant jitter bug and drag his line all day if your going to act like that or back seat me.
Exact reason why many people don't fish tournaments, Troy sucks.. egos are no joke
So what do you think FLW refers to about the rule that states, “in no way the boater can handicap his co angler”? That might not be the exact words but I think it’s close
LIVING LIFE here for the response
Very good question....how will you prove you were handicapped? Even the day i was seriously and purposely backboated i could still make casts...i was casting into the abyss lol but even with the video i cant prove i was handicapped. This is what i eluded to when i spoke about...it will suck. By all means dont give them gas money. But plenty of co anglers will blank every event.
Me and Troy would have had a problem with him throwing that fish like a damn toddler throwing a tantrum. If he knew the fish was there why wasn't he fishing that spot? Up in the front trying to handicap his co-angler. Cast wherever you want. Don't hook anybody and try not to cross or tangle lines. If I am in the front of my boat I expect my co-angler to be covering the fishing spot just as good as I am.
I had this a few times this year the anchor mode lends itself to angler fishing off the back deck corner. I did twice forget we were not fishing a team event but quickly took bait out of the area he was focused on.
Great info, love the #BassGeek hoodie btw. He's a good friend of mine.
Ill cast wherever i want if i think thers a fish
3:45 Fishing for $125,000, knew the fish was there, but wasn't pitching his bait at the fish? Come on man.......... I've fished for $1 and if I know a solid keeper is in front of me, I'm working on that fish. That sounds silly.
I’ve had boaters get mad because I’ve caught fish behind them. Boaters are gonna wine no matter what and 90% of the time they’re fishing to fast any way. So I decided along time ago if it’s not a written rule I’m gonna do what I want. I do have a boat as well but don’t always go as a boater. Sometimes the boater is just a winy ass with an ego problem that thinks he should catch all the fish and if your not throwing the right bait in the right way your not going to catch the fish the biggest example is people always throwing crankbaits, I hate crankbaits unless I’m fishing ledges or they’re eating them consistently.(which almost never happens where I’m at)
For sure I had a boater get mad at me cause I caught three fish and he didn’t catch anything, so he intentionally made us late to weigh in so therefore I got DQED at a state finals tournament. I wasn’t even a dick about it, after I caught the first two within 15min of each other he asked what I was fishing with I told him and the gave him everything he needed to catch fish. His reply after about 10min of fishing with the rig I set up for him was, “man, I just can’t fish like this.” Because I was fishing extremely slow. 5 min after he laid down the rig I gave him I caught my third. 🤷♂️ I was humble even after he made me late but it was like damn dude your a POS.
That boater has already fished past that fish. Looking at that particular situation it looks like the boater has already moved past that fish since he is casting off to the right side now. So why is he mad at the Co for catching a fish on the left side of the boat? Sure the Co is casting to the front of the boat but he is not casting to unfished water. He is still fishing "behind" the boater in water the boater has already hit.
I am a sponge. Takin in all info.
It was a really good video! Been looking for co angler information cant wait to watch the rest of your videos!!
I'm gonna keep doing more vids to help people out.
100% correct! I wanna know have you caught a bass in a good looking laydown that may have 10 🐢 sunbathing on it,then when they see you coming they go diving in. Does that mess that spot up. Cause I haven't caught jack on 🐢 hotel!
Lol at the turtles....i give them payback when i can
Great information for any angler fishing with someone on their boat, not just in tournament fishing.
So Lou, what is it that 99% of the co-anglers mess up? You think 99% of us don't know where we can't cast?
It's a title to get views. I was co angler too. And yes people who are 100% brand new don't know these things. I was in that boat several years ago
I dont get it? Are they on a team or no?
Sometimes yes and it is completely different. But in a non team event these are the unwrittem rules
@@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors so if it's a competition, why would anyone take another angler on his boat if 125k is up for grabs?
@@jordanlee4279 they have too under the rules...cant fish alone...too many cheaters...at weigh in for the fish they sign an official document validating the other persons catch
I feel like I see refs on boats, but why even bother being a sco angler when 90 percent of the time the front of the boat gets firsts dibs on fish and the power to go where he wants? I want to look a stat up and see how many times a co angler has won a tourney bet under 5 percent
Shit ive been back seated hard told not to cast he said were fishing left to right. So he could pick it apart gave me nothing. Good luck getting any gas money.
My only top ten this year I had a great boater purposely give me area to catch my limit fish to secure the top ten. Most boaters are AWESOME regular guys, I think all probably are in the right situation.
Sorry Troy but thats going to be a 2 minute fish landing violati.......oh wait wrong venue!
LOL yup
Very interesting.
Lol best comment yet
This video is going to help me a lot this spring if I can save enough money I'm going to start fishing aba tournament's.
awesome bud, just keep your head down fish hard. It will be what you make it
Awesome video as always Lou! I'm also moving to the front of the boat this coming season, I'm super excited! See you out there brother tight lines
Awesome dude! I hope you win one! Good luck in 2020
Exactly the kind of things that keep me from co-angling. Boaters don't see the co-angler as a worthy competitor, they see them as a necessary evil.
unfortunately I have to agree with you there, but all the guys I've had with one exception have treated me very fair.
If it was a small bass he wouldnt have cared...salty
Only happen to me one time. I was upset, so upset that when I have someone on the back of the boat I am cognizant of them being there and treat them as well as I was always treated by the awesome men that I had learned from. What this man did at the beginning of the video is just typical "I am a pro" big head, he believed that all fish worth having belonged to him. Like when Scott Martin thought that locals should get out of his way when he was fishing a tournament because he was a pro.
Good video! I enjoy team tournaments because I like to fish with my buddies, but they better not cross the off limits line. LOL!!!
Talk down to me or dirt me from the front of the boat and I will do my best to make sure your day is as productive as mine ! There is no I'm a God setting on a trolling motor !
GREAT VID!!
THE FOLLOWING IS SIMPLY ONE PERSON’S PERSPECTIVE. ALL OTHER PERSPECTIVES ARE APPRECIATED AND RESPECTED,SINCE WE’RE ALL DIFFERENT (that’s what make life awesome!!)
Hey ya’all 👋!! I just watched this video and read EVERY COMMENT AND EVERY REPLY. I haven’t fished a tournament in over 20 yrs, yet will be starting from scratch next year. I don’t own a boat, I have limited equipment, and my time on the water has been virtually ZERO. So what, right? So this: money makes people do weird stuff. It actually makes people MORE of who they really are. If your a grounded, respectful, GRATEFUL person without $$, you will (generally!!) be MORE SO with $$. We all have a choice. IF YOU CHOOSE to fish solo, you have 💯 % control of your tournaments. IF YOU ARE THE BOATER AND CHOOSE TO FISH CO-ANGLER TOURNAMENTS, imo there must be some give. The boater CANNOT fish the whole boat every minute of the day, so the co has to have SOMEPLACE to fish from, right? Don’t get me wrong.... the boater CAN fish WHEREVER they want from THEIR BOAT.....it’s their boat!! Yet, if they’re fishing from a place of respect, they should understand that they physically CANNOT be EVERYWHERE in the boat during the day. Now..... the boater (BEING THE BOATER!!) must require respect from the co as well. The co physically cannot fish the whole boat either (right?). Therefore, BOTH ANGLERS should fish with the understanding that:
1) The boater and the co have invested time and money to be together; quantifying either simply creates a disparity, and leads to an improper judgement. Time and money VALUE is determined by the person EXPENDING them. Who spent more or less is irrelevant. Do you VALUE the person and what they’ve done to be with you?!!?
2) If it’s not YOUR BOAT, you’re fishing on private property, you should leave it better than you found it, you should ask permission for anything that may seem questionable to you, you should offer to give the boater compensation for use of their property.
3) IF IT IS YOUR BOAT, the co is YOUR GUEST, and hopefully your student. You have every right to the ideas in #2 above. AND IF THE CO DOES NOT FIT #2, they are bing a poor guest, and IMO, IGNORANT , and it is your professional duty to swiftly and respectfully INFORM them of the situation. If the response is anything LESS THAN #2 above, you can choose to have a rough day with them, constantly disrespecting you, or quit the day.
Either option sucks!!!!!
In the end, we’re all out to win and have fun doing it. If you can’t show respect for another human, maybe you should be in the NFL(lol.... a little tongue in cheek humor, but timely!!)
I hope that when the time comes next year, that IF I’m fishing as a co (which I’m sure I will), my boater will show equal respect to me as I to them.
TIGHT LINES, YA’all!! I wish nothing but the best for you in your tournament pursuits!!!!! Peace ✌️
Awesome video man I had a very similar situation with my son his lure landed on mine and the fish toke his lure. I explained to him about control and bounds and if it was another angler what would have been the outcome. ..
Come now there is no need for hostility.
Hi dwanye! Thank you for the comment. Hope my video helps to reinforce the lesson...glad you were spending quality time with your boy.
Here is my take on this.....MESS. Me and my fishing partner always know that we just don't ever cross lines. The co angler casts the opposite side of the boat, after the front man casts. You go right, I go left, and vice versa. It is basically called RESPECT. Hampering the co angler to not cross the console is, in my mind, ridiculous. I do not agree with Troy on this and I think it was totally unsportsmanlike. If I throw in a hole, and then you throw in the same hole right behind me, then we may have a problem. Never, EVER position the boat to hamper your partner, and this is what Troy did.
I sure wish they wouldn't position the boat like that but I understand they put money into this. I think troy's response was really triggered by the coanglers action. He has been pro long enough that he isn't getting upset over a coangler just catching a fish.
Hank the Bassgeek will appreciate your choice of hoodie LOL! We fish a lot of the same areas in east Tennessee. Great video!
i burned it immediately after to make a point!!! LOL
Unless the boater has paid his co-anglers entry - front- ending is poor sportsmanship!
I Most certainly agree especially since that happened to me as i was fishing for my first top 5 in a COSTA, but that is separate from what i am discussing here.
Front ending is also against the flw rules.
whats the point of having a co angler?
gas money
@@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors and someone to hold the net?
@@zipzip8239 of course! I was just kidding...i truly want to put my co on good fish too
great stuff Lou....
Oh my..... I have just lost so much respect for the fishing community of which I’ve been a “member” all my life. “Off limits”.... I understand courtesy and just being an all-around amazing, kind, and super awesome fisherman, but putting “limits” on what somebody can or cannot fish.... especially when it all boils down to the fact that this is 100% in laymen’s terms - Fishing. Regardless of the semantics behind messily money being involved. Most definitely makes this whole thing petty and absolutely ludicrous... can’t believe someone would be so greedy when it comes to Fishing. I guess I just can’t understand it because Fishing to me is so much more than just me catching a fish. But I guess it’s whatever
This is solely for tournaments. I let friends cast whereever they want. But yes this is an unwritten rule in bass tournaments and i am just educating new people to the sport so they feel more comfortable with knowing what to do.
rMMedz - I'm with ya'! Yet another reason I do not tournament fish.
Beyond The Bounds really I’m just curious in all honesty. As a “co-angler”, meaning you’re working as a team, why would anyone get upset at their partner casting where he or she sees a serious opportunity to catch a fish to help out the team (the both of them)? If each angler is truly fishing as a “team” then in no form or fashion should ANYONE think that the other angler is doing anything BUT the best for their team. Every anglers knowledge when it comes to fishing and or seeing the water as a fish does is completely different. That being said if my “co-angler“ casts where he believes to be the statistically likely (from his knowledge) being that our team interests are being held higher than our individual interests, there would be no logical reason to either get upset and or set restrictions upon cast areas. I mean I really just feel like this to me indicates that these professional bass fisherman are not actually “team mates“ but are really just out for individual glory and their own enjoyment of fishing. But if that’s the case, they need to stick to solo fishing LOL... just my opinion. By the way I absolutely love your videos, I watch all of them. I just can’t really understand why teammates would restrict their other teammate. Unless for some weird reason they’re both on the same boat fishing against each other LOL.
Its simple etiquette.
Fishing Milwaukee that guy getting pissed as his teammate for catching a bass where he selfishly wanted to cast (to be in control) doesn’t look like good etiquette to me bro. Threw the fish down on the deck of the boat.... IMO seems like a poor sport and bad teammate.
If I payed my money I’m going to cast where I want to.
Nah man that's disrespectful
I remember when I was fishing a BFL and I was throwing a shad rap down a rocky bank on a spinning rod and my CO angler was throwing way in front of the boat with he's crankbait and caught a 4 lb fish. I was young and didn't say anything because I didn't want to be mean but that's not cool at all in my opinion CO anglers shouldn't be doing that
So true
Do you tip your boater if so how much?
Shit nobody is about to control where I cast man ik not to cast over your line but that clip he wouldn’t talk to me like dat
Great advise always preplanning the day with your co angler, understanding how you fish hopefully we know what to expect from one another and I've seen this happen bank fishing and your buddy clearly should have known better and cause a tangled mess, and your like I can't believe this just happened. Hunting , fishing e.t.c it shouldn't happen but it does. Get have a plan !
My advice dont backseat
Great video Lou, also I enjoyed watching you on Ken’s video, great stuff
Bottom line, it’s a team effort out there! Don’t be a water hog!! I’m a front man all the time and my buddy at the back NEVER has any “off limits” Sure he ends up steal’n a few fish from me but hey, first come first served!
Well it may be their boat but guess what...I’m on that boat too. So don’t be casting over me in the back or we gonna have problems. Then he’ll really see what casting over someone means.
Great video and great advice!!
One of your best video's.
Thanks man!
This is why I fish kayak tourneys instead of boat as co angler
sounds like u need to fish alone
Really? A negative response to a video trying to help new coanglers?
I’m pretty sure I saw you at weigh ins on day one too by the way. Lol
Great info. Thank you.
absolutely
Slice it however you want, the pro angler was being an asshole. He probably talks to folks like that a lot. Eventually it will catch up to him and he will learn a horribly painful lesson in manners.
wish we could see the whole video. But boaters don't get mad like that without good reason. Yeah....they don't like seeing a Co get a good big fish....it means they missed it more than likely. But that level of mad really requires more than just someone catching a fish.
Nice hoodie
think I will burn it ahhahahaha
Great vid, your co-angler vids have been a big help. I’m looking for a boater link for next years BFL Shenandoah series if you’re interested.
Will only do a couple in that division...i like the northeast waters more
As a tournament angler I get his frustration but 1) did he lay the ground rules down prior to launch and 2) did he really have to throw the net down with the fish in it? That was a d*** move and could have killed the fish which would have been even worse for the co-angler. Communication is key. No need to act like that. Be a man, don't be a d***
Is that a Bass Geek hoodie?
It be nice to team up with you and learn more about fishing Tourment
There boat yes it is but at the end of the day try and get your card signed!
Their boat...but everyone's water.
Great advice!!
Loving the #BassGeek hoodie my dude.
Hank is my boy!
@@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors yes sir love that guy always helping me out, always bugging him on some advice for my fishing trips and gear. Then I come to you check out your reviews . I'm always checking out your channel good stuff keep up the great work my dude.
Good vid, I only fish alone though. Don’t like butt bumping.
It is cover not structure
Great video