My Advice To Co-Anglers In 2023…(A Dose Of Harsh Reality)
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you need to share your stories of being out-fished by your co-angler and how you dealt with it
I was taught growing up to respect other anglers that I fish with. Being a bank fisherman I have had guys that were in tournaments come by in their boat and they would ask if I did not mind if they threw in front of me. That is respectful and I would always let them do their thing. Thanks Randy for this awesome advice!!
Always respect who you are fishing with. This goes both ways. Fished as a co for years and last 2 years in bfl and a Toyota Series event. Been fishing for over 30 years, and 1 thing I can say is just understand that just because you are a boater, you are not a pro. There is a difference.
When I compete as a co angler, it doesn’t matter to me. I figure I’ll catch what he missed. I’m fishing different baits and speed. Works for me and the front always seems willing to help me if I respect them. Thanks Randy !
Casting behind the boat is a bit of a pain too cuz they might have the troll on high and you're going around power poles and a motor. But usually, it all goes great and there's never a problem...
I start my first bfl at Sam Rayburn next month as a co. Great tips! This first year I’m just along for the ride trying to get a little experience.
Your exactly right,I fished as a co in 4 decades, I've had young pros I wanted to throw them out of their own boats,I had a young jerk on the delta going through about 10k ducks at 70 mph,I got hit the face and chest, my mouth bleeding, he thought it was funny, we fished combined weight,I threw back about 11lbs,he was totally freaking out,my face swollen up,I didn't help load the boat,I got out and walked away,worst ever,I've had Brett Ehler,had fun all day, he would ask,how's it going back there? We talked a lot about finesse baits and feeling a bite,great times,I don't know how many pros,90% good.
Randy co anglers have bad pros also. I have fished as a boater and co angler and had bad experiences with both. Lately I've decided not to fish as a co angler any more the last time I fished as a co angler the two days I fished I fished with guys that live scoped they put the nose of the boat facing a brush pile and I had no place to fish for 2 days. Of course I did not cast to the front of the boat. Pretty much a waste of time and money it's not cheap for co anglers either 2 days about 1,500.
Same thing happened to me in a tournament last summer. Boater nosed into a piece of structure with livescope, whacked them all day and won the thing by a mile, I caught 2 fish all day fan casting into oblivion with a drop shot
If a person can spend 1500 on a entry fee. You can fix your problem. Buy a boat. Not being a Ahole here. I fished BFL and paid 800 and the boater told me. You ain't got a chance
Amen
@@mr.skeptical3071 I bought a boat and been happy every since.
I know some nonboaters will not buy a boat. They say why. A nonboater riding free. Lol
Randy, I love ALL your content.. this one is fantastic. I am a MLF official, Because it was something my wife always said that I should try... I have never done any tournaments, just love Bass fishing. I am 63 yrs old....I always said I would like to be a co-angler just to learn. I have learned a lot off of my pros, especially Dustin Connell and Drew Hill.. But then 3 yrs ago I lost my wife unexpectedly..So I was able to become an official for my wife, and now I want to complete my fishing bucket list for her and become a co-angler on the phoenix series, and then do the boat side of it, Your video is absolutely what I needed to see, I would do exactly what you described. Im just thankful to be alive everyday, and I thank you for all your videos, because of them it has along with my wife inspired me to do what she always wanted me to try.. Thank you Randy so very very much!! MLF official, Curtis Stanley
My last two of three BASS opens as a Co Angler was with pros using LiveScope. It just wasn’t fun anymore. Casting blind into the depths in the middle of the lake opposite the brush piles is fruitless.
You got that right buddy. Unless you were up front with him. You ain't catching squat!!!!
You are so right. When they run out of co-anglers because of this, they can all start fishing blind draw partners like it use to be.
I have a friend who got stuck like that on the BFL Regional last year on Hartwell. He said it was absolutely terribly.
Just one more reason to never waste your money as a Co. You’d be a 1000 times better off taking that money & hiring a local guide who will spend the day showing you how & why he finds fish …
@@johnnymassengale6275 Hartwell can be rough for Co's
I fished BFL as co-angler for the first time last year. It was not a fun experience. I had a boater who's gameplan was to flip and pitch all day. All he did was have the trolling motor on high and only pitching 1 cast every 20 feet. It was like that all day. I could not fish anything slow. He did not catch any fish either. I try to give subtle hints on to slow down and dissect the area and cover. But he was not listening. It was very bad experience. Boaters think your inexperienced and won't listen to suggestions at all. Lost a ton of tackle that day too.
Won’t be long before you see co-anglers that have their own livescope screen in the rear of the boat. Livescopes everywhere you look!!
I didn't know the co angler side was free with nothing to lose I'm fishing that next year
If I was able to get into the boat with one of my Hero’s of BassFishing it would be an immediate Win for Me ! Catching fish would be secondary! I’ve been bass fishing and making lures for 50 years like Randy !
What would you do if you had a co angler who pulled out a portable livescope system and whacked em out the back?
He would throw them off the boat lol
Yeah this guy seems to whine a lot. See, i can understand being super respectable as a coangler. I also understand that the boaters are putting up bigger money, and not to interfere. To have a conversation with you boater about what they’re ok with, and keeping to that and the rules as best as possible. However, what this guy doesn’t seem to understand is that he signed up for the tournament. He knew when he signed up for the last 20+ years that there would be a co in the back. so frankly, this dude is annoying. His tips, are not tips. He’s basically saying only cast off the back of the boat. Lmao “yeah just cast directly off the back and drag a bait and you’ll be better off.” Nah bro, i’ll stick to the most respectable way that I can. I’ll help net, i’ll not interfere, but I’m going to fish by the rules and enjoy the day.
Fished with a pro very influential in the sport . He held a prayer service after the pre tournament meeting. He asked me to pray with him after the prayer the tournament director gives before takeoff. We went to his spot there was someone on that spot . He was very upset had words with person. That person left he moved to a spot. He told me I had all this water where he was not casting. He caught near 100 keepers . Well over 100 fish that day . I caught 3 fish they were keepers. One of those I dropped my rod in the boat made a noise. He turned around and verbally scolded me ! Later I put one of his fish in the live well let the lid fall “thump” this time he totally lost it about me making all this noise. If I would have had that tournament to do over again. Things would vhave went so much differently !
Wow! Just wow!
I hear You Randy.
I drew Randy at Lake Texoma march of ‘98 I think for a BASS. He was just fine to fish with, no issues.
I belive the problem is that it should be a combined weight per team format it would end the all for me attitude that's the best way to go
If I pay to be a co-angler, I don't want to be a ride-a-long. I payed to fish the tournament.
I have a Nephew that does everything mentioned here. Casting ahead of the boat, throw right on top of me after I just made a cast, etc etc. Even after I had a couple talks about it with him, he just kept on doing it. Every time we went fishing, I would come back pissed off. I haven't fished with him in three years and don't intend to.
Randy, you bring up a subject that probably has a few more aspects to it. Than people imagine. When one hears comments from really young anglers who fish competitively. Sentences like 'we really have to win this time'. And that sentence has come from the voice of a high school-er. Then maybe, as far as the fishing part of it goes. We've gone off the rails somewhere. The flip side of that coin. Is that as anglers try to launch their careers from younger and younger age points. There's another side to it. That comes with that. Kkids are having to deal with real money at earlier and earlier stages in their lives (money that can be both gained and lost). With consequences that will last for a lot longer. Than many of the youngsters or their guardians realize. Having been a proud member of the 'college drop-out' club for a number of decades. And seeing up close how the economics of that operate. It's only when you've been through that. You realize how long after you have to live with certain consequences and certain mistakes. Well into your middle ages. People as young as teenagers don't see that. And it's kind of wrong for tournament organizations. To take advantage of these kids. Okay, the parent weighs into the decision making too. However, it's the young kid who grows up, who will have to live longer term with the fall out.
Randy, I know you've fished 100 percent more than me in torneys. Have you ever fished as a co angler? Flw is where I have fished, mlf now. I'm 56, I've only fished with couple pros that did it for a living. Most of them have regular jobs to, they just have a good boat. Most alot younger than me, but paid whole lot more to fish. I've never casted past middle part of boat. I let them now , it's there day, fish where they want, I'll fish out back, and your right it's all bout angles!!!! I've been back boated up aganist bank, sure I didn't like it, but that's way ball bounces. But I've fished with couple young guys that was good! I've never had bad day, by crowding them, or doing dumb stuff, or a attitude. But, I'm not fishing just for a day on boat, I'm fishing aganist Co anglers, not pros.
So very true ! A bad Co - Angler makes for a miserable day.
I would never consider being a co angler. For the money I would much rather spend that money on a local guide who fishes the same water I do so I can learn how to find fish. Fishing as a Co you don’t really learn much about finding fish since your pro has already found them in practice. I don’t really need any help with techniques. If you put me on fish I’m going to catch my share. I fished as a non boater back in my 30s and I always caught fish out of the back if my boater was on fish. My struggles have always been in constantly locating fish and when I go with a guide I always tell them I’m more interested in learning why we end up fishing where we do throughout the day then simply catching fish
I've only recently gotten into a group where I'm fishing with guys I don't know well or don't know at all. Usually, I'm fishing with a good friend, and we talk, coordinate, give each other shit, etc. When I'm setting up with the guys I don't know, I'll tell them "I'm not a pro. I'm just a guy with a boat. If you know a good spot or have anything you want me to do, please speak up."
I try to strike up conversation and get to know them a bit when we're not doing anything intense. I try to communicate, tell him my plan, where I'd like to fish, what I plan on fishing with, etc. I'll suggest he fish something different unless one of us starts getting serious action.
There's an unwritten rule in our group that the co-angler buys the boat owner lunch when we're done, but that's pretty hit and miss. Either way, we generally have fun, catch a few fish and maybe make a friend. There's a little money on the line, but not enough to get competitive over. I haven't fished big tournaments in 30 years, and things have changed a lot. I don't miss it at all.
I fished as a co-angler for a couple of years and then switched to the boater side. I can't say that I've ever had any disastrous experiences with either. I tried to go above and beyond as a co-angler. As a boater I did have one elderly guy as my co-angler, super nice guy. I gave him a 2 minute heads up before we moved to another spot. It would take him 5 minutes or more to get ready to move. I didn't want to be rude, and I wasn't, so I was kinda handcuffed.
So you are saying you will intentionally handicap your coangler if he cast somewhere you dont like?? You are on record as indicating such?? Do you not think this will be used against you if you get a coangler who feels as tho he is being wronged?? Wow!! Be nice to randy, randy treats well… dont do as Randy says, he will turn the boat as to guarantee you dont catch fish…got it. and not all boaters are pros, some boaters and some coanglers are just not nice people, you do realize that right? Just cuz u enter a tournament as a boater, u r not a pro. Just like everyone who owns a golf cart isnt tiger woods🤣. When im on the water im 100% respectful, sometimes to my own detriment, but im merely commenting regarding your video. In your one example, you gave, you may be the one boater who would give your co the baits, but would you have given him the chance to make multiple presentations as you mentioned, the reality is most boaters cant do that, and dont have time to do all that, they troll away on 1000 and leave the coangler(who is being respectful) with no shot, so coanglers just take chances, not to mention the livescope boaters who just have coanglers casting at nothing all day and dont care at all. Its a lose lose, but unless boaters want to go back to fishing half day in front and half day in back, cuz coanglers stop signing up cuz of ridiculous videos like this telling them “do as i say” and u will have good day… “dont listen” i will make your life miserable, coanglers just not gonna show up anymore, waste of time and money, you fish your way, stay out of my way, and ill stay out of yours. Get back to ramp on time and we good.
There’s not any professionals out there that are going to try to accommodate a co-angler at the expense of themselves catching fish. That would be like me coming to a co anglers place of work, and trying to undermine their ability to do their job.
@@randyblaukatintuitive i dont expect anyone to accommodate me when im a coangler. Just dont get in my way either. Fish what you want, i will be respectful, not fish on top of you, not rush you, i dont do any of that, but i also dont tell my boater how to act, like you are trying to tell coanglers how to act. Just go fishing. Also out of curiosity, where do you think coanglers work? Do they have lesser jobs than boaters 🤣🤣 most coanglers are because they want to be, not because they have to be. The guy that won toyota series as a coangler had a 70,000 caymas boat he just chose to be a coangler.
Sportsmanship is a big! I think pros need to be aware of there sportsmanship. It’s a game at the end of the day. Everyone should have the same opportunity as a pro. “Boat blocking and making a co angler life miserable are the correct way to be” ? SPORTSMANSHIP??
If I ever got to be a co-angler it would be for the experience of fishing in a tournament with a pro. Winning anything would be the furthest thing from my mind.
Sounds like to me you don't need to be fishing tournaments that have coanglers would you want to fish straight out the back of the boat
When I started fishing as a co in the early 2000’s with Red Man and eventually Walmart BFL the tournament director always reminded coanglers - “You co’s fish only your half of the boat in back. If you feel that your boater is fronting you or got that boat positioned to where you have no water to fish bring it to our attention. “
I disagree with a lot of your thoughts….
You sound like you would be a real sick to fish with…. Maybe fish in tournaments alone
I am surprised you did not mention LiveScope in this video. The last two tournaments I fished as a Co-Angler I drew LiveScopers . If you don't mined watching someone video fish all day go for it. They only cast when they see a fish and nine times out ten that fish is going to be in front of the boat. The best hope to catch a fish with these pros is to drop on the trailer fish right around the boat. I for one am all done fishing as a Co-Angler the only thing I learned the last two tourneys is how to look down at screen. If you are looking to push the envelope bring your own Ice fishing model LiveScope for the back of the boat. I am sure they will introduce a rule to prohibit that but I don't know of one yet.
Life Lesson:
Years ago, I was going up to Canada to chase Muskies and a Wisconsin Guide asked if he could join me and we could use his boat. I agreed.
First morning out, he was covering water way too fast and fishing so much different than I had planned to fish my blood pressure was about to explode!
Then I thought to myself, “this guy knows so much more than me”. SHUT UP AND LISTEN!
I asked him what he would recommend me casting and things got much better as I shifted into a “Learning Experience”.
I learned a lot and had a pretty good trip.
Be well.
Thanks for those great co-angler tips!! Very helpful!! Stay Safe & God Bless!!
Thanks for the tips, makes a ton of sense.
I agree with everything you said expect the part don’t fish where they have already fished reason being just cuz they already fished it and didn’t catch anything there doesn’t mean there’s not a fish there lol I don’t always catch a fish but there are times where you get lucky
Randy, I respect that you need to advertise your stuff. But Good Lord, you are not that down bad that you need to break it down to get the most money you can. Some of us just want to click on here and see a mentor.
You seem to talk out of both sides of your mouth. You want quiet so you can focus, then you say you will answer questions and give tips. You say once I am done with an area fish your heart out. Then you say don't throw at pilings I have fished. Have I misunderstood all of this? A guy pays money to get in this tournament just like you. Yes, your entry fee was more but how is your money more important than the co-anglers? So he pays to sit in back, be quiet, not be a pain in the ass and watch in awe as the "pro" fishes. Doesn't sound like any fun to me.
He literally told you that you pay for the learning experience. Which is understood. Imagine, go pay a guide 400 bucks for 4 hours instead of following a pro and just shutting up and observing.
Ken Ramsey, I guess I just don't a competitive mindset to tournament fish. I don't want to impede the "pro" in any way. I wouldn't cast up towards him. I wouldn't talk his ear off or make demands. If I understand correctly the co-angler is fishing against the other co-anglers. I am not a threat to him. I certainly don't know everything about bass fishing. But, I want to enjoy fishing, too. I do not want it to be a miserable experience.
@@leannesmith3660 Understandable, makes sense.
It’s night & day difference between what the pro is doing in an event and what a co-angler is doing. The Co just shows up, gets in teh boat & goes fishing. The pro found the fish in practice and they are “his” fish so he needs to be able to fish for them as a priority. If this kind of experience is not to your liking then simply enter the same event as a ‘pro’ and you get to be in complete control - problem solved. After graduating from the USAF Test Pilot School in 1991 I built a Burt Ratan home-built kit airplane - the Long Ez. It had a front back cockpit like a jet fighter. In the back seat I installed a small placard that read “Get in, sit down, strap in and shut up”. This is how I feel about the whole “co-angler” thing …
I fish with my buddy in the back of his boat and never throw past him unless hes tying one on. It's funny sometimes I catch more in back of the boat where he just fished at. I don't mind being the net man also. Both of our fish weigh as one anyhow. Great video Randy. 😁👍
Great video Randy! One thing to remember is that every pro is not you. Many of your peers and elsders are turds that I would never want to share a boat with again.
If I ever had a chance to fish with them again I would ruin their day. It works both ways. They may have more time on the water but it doesn't mean it was time well spent.
a lot of times as a coangler you can just pay attention to every target your boater misses and just cast at those.
also, if your boater is bed fishing, cast out deep and you may catch a big female while your boater is trying to make a 2 pound male eat.
Why does everyone associate bass fishing with just the spawn?.....lol
I've outfished guys or atleast kept up with skilled anglers many times from the back of the boat. If you now how to fish right, and cast accurate, keep from getting snagged.. its really not much of a handicap fishing regular patterns. The only handicap would be not trying as hard just because you think ur at a disadvantage. But in my experience the guy on the trolling motor always leaves fish behind
Good advice for the business world as well. It’s worked for me.
Drew Randy at grand lake in a central Pro-Am in the early 2000s we weren’t catching anything so he went way up I think the spring river into an area where we ended up having to chainsaw a tree down just to get into where he wanted to go the current was real strong so we had to keep the boat just right we would switch off and sound back-and-forth finally got in there and guess what we didn’t catch a thing but it was still really cool the first with Randy
Thanks very much Randy. I fished with a bass pro marshal once and rocked his boat a few times and he did not like that. I fished to close once to my fishing buddy on his bass boat the many times we went out and he did not like it.
You can fish with me. You can fish right up front with me. I can work around you! If you catch fish then it just means that I suck...lol
Randy, the whole co-angler topic reinforces to me why I have never been a tournament guy. Paying to fish behind a so called pro in a tournament doesn’t mean you will learn anything. I fish all over the Midwest and Canada and fish for enjoyment. This tournament mentality never appealed to me and it’s a joke to pay to fish behind a so called pro.
I was fortunate that my father helped me out in this aspect. What can u do randy about some tool that keeps screwing up your presentation. Could you take him back to launch and tell get off the boat!!! I'm sure it's happened more than once.
Randy-As always, great advise. Would love to be your co-angler. Tight lines Randy.
You must not want to win
Well said Randy.
Quick question please: I was told by someone (stranger) that you should match the style of the captain (i.e. if he fishes fast with crank bait...etc. you should also match that speed with similar lures style) is that true? Thanks
Plenty of team series out there! You can fish thru team series to make the Bassmaster Classic.
I totally disagree with some of the things that you're saying. When I do come to a tournament my mindset is to win it or at least get paid a check. Why else would you come if you don't have the mindset to try to win or just be satisfied with fishing. You also when you sign up for these divisions understand that you will have a co-angler. And another point is if you're fishing parallel to a bank you're running the boat over the water that you want me to throw back behind that's probably scared to fish off the bank. The way I see it is if you don't want to coangular in your boat fish the tournaments that don't have co-anglers.
It’s not about not wanting co-anglers in the boat. It’s about respecting the fact that the pro has done all the hard work of finding the fish - they are in essence ‘his fish’ since he found them so you need to let him catch them. This is also how he pays his bills - even if you win the c-angler division it’s likely not money you need to live on. If you want to be a hard charging, win the event fisherman than you should turn pro and try it for yourself. The co-angler opportunity is not as much about competitive fishing as it is about a learning experience. The competition aspect is just a bonus. If your first priority is to try and win whenever you enter an event then fishing as a co-angler are the wrong events for you.
When a co-angler starts fishing to win it's time for him to take his own boat and fish from from the front.
Im lost!... Are the rules the pro cant tell the co-angler what to throw where and if he hits a pattern to stop fishing? Or start using this other technique.. to be the Search bait in the Boat?
It goes both ways I was a co-angler in a tournament and the pro wasn't getting any bites and I started flipping the shore 40 feet off the back at a 45 dagree angle with my favorite flipping lure witch is unique and I hit 3 before I knew it he tied on the same lure and color but didn't have the secret nail wait in it and put the nose of the boat facing the shore and shut me out of any of the position to the way I was hitting them all I got to say is I'm so glad he didn't catch any on my setup because it wasn't falling right because of the lack of the nail weight and in the same way since he was being a dick I'm not sharing my secrets either I fished in bassmaster league and qualified to be on his boat the following year I'm not saying I'm a pro but I won my league for the position I was in I earned my right to be there and almost feel that if I win again I might just take the money instead of going through that ordeal again BTW finished above him but not in the top ten but there is always that what if I caught 2 more that eats me
Cool story bro
The massive egos that the boaters have never ceases to amaze me. Co-anglers has money on the line also, they pay gas money (depending on boaters attitude) I respect the boater and will not pass the centerline until I get back boated.....then I'm casting where I need to bc I paid my hard earned money as well.....If a boater doesn't want a co-angler then become a "REAL PRO" and fish the series that don't have cos in the boat.
great advise Randy ..back in the 80s.i qualified through our club to fish a Redman federation tourney on Saginaw bay in Michigan the guy i drew was a arrogant ass..i never made a cast for over 5 hours .he acted like i was a 12 yr old kid .i learned to not be like him
That is the stuff I was talking about. You just don't know who you are dealing with and a lot of bass guys are just ass wholes that think they are somebody because they can catch fish. I think its actually hilarious.
@@gunnydan25 i couldnt agree more ...i have met some wonderful bass anglers that were NOT like them
@@yooperrd651 Same here and those are the people I want to fish with.
I think that, if you've been a co-angler, you will be more likely to treat your boater how you wanted to be treated.
If I move out that way we will fish together.Keep the vids coming.
I think all these co angler tournaments should go to a 5 STAR review system just like an AIR BNB.....everyone should have a rating system that way you kinda know alittle info on the dude your fishing with.
Right , if you show me you want to learn , I will teach you . Same as an apprentice in a career .
I can’t wait till our product gets on there.
I was just there today. They’re waiting on a hat order to include in the box and they were shipping a lot of them out today while I was there.
Solid Randy!!!!
Good information!
Seems to be lost on some folks; You are not competing against any boaters. The weights needed is usually a fraction of what's needed as a boater. Look at tournament stats on the lake you're fishing for a reality check. How many "pros" don't catch squat? Remember if you're boater isn't catching fish he's successfully identifying (lure, technique, color, speed) that's not working. Learn as they try to hone in. Help in the search but using something different. Fish the conditions...Fish the moment 😎 How about being pragmatic when choosing the tournaments you fish based on if it's a live scope lake or not? Man it's a different game with different goals, strategies, parameters, and cost. Embrace them and be pragmatic, or it's a recipe for misery and frustration.
I'm doing the BASS Marschall program this year to learn some stuff.
This is a WAY better option if you want to learn. The co-angler stuff is so misunderstand by most anglers. It really has nothing to do with competitive fishing.
The problem I have as a coangler is when you try to cast out of the back sometimes there are boaters with the trolling motor turned up too fast for your lure to even have a chance to be in the strike zone of the fish! Then after awhile it’s like your on an off shore charter boat trolling for tuna because your lure is just dragging along ! That’s ridiculous! Not to mention you will ALWAYS get hung up and then you got to get the courage up to bug your boater AGAIN! Even when you cast straight out to the shore there are times his trolling motor is so fast you got to burn your bait caster to reel in the slack . Yes I know when it’s time to go “ let’s try another spot” you reel it in. I’m taking about bank burners who have no patience to give their lure and my lure the chance to do any good. It’s frustrating as a co sometimes. That said worst day of fishing is better than best day at work.
Part of the deal as a co. Gotta buy a boat to get rid of those frustrations
Sounds pretty frustrating… luckily they’re not mostly moving like that. change selection maybe? Long rod, heavier lures, streamlined stuff that doesn’t catch a lot of water? Or cranking obviously…
I’m not even sure where to look to sign up to be a co-angler but would it be “polite” to fish techniques that can be done at the same pace as the pro angler( such as not slow dragging a Ned when the pro is running and gunning shoreline cover).
I signed up for bfl as a co for first year…. I have a huge fear of getting hung up a lot and forced to break off expensive lures. Any enlightenment on that?
Thanks for sharing Randy. Never fished a tournament as a coangler. Would there be any good series around NW Arkansas or SW Missouri that have the coangler option?
Hey I just saw this. The Major League Fishing Bass Fishing League heads down to Table Rock 3x this year. $110/tourney, $90/membership. That is the Ozark division. There is an Arkie Division as well. You can also check out the American Bass Association but I am not as well versed in that! I hope this helps!!!
I have yet to fish any tournaments so this is going to piss off most folks when I say this. 1st hello it's a tournament so in my mind everyone wants to win that is just a given. So a co-angler shouldn't have to tell a pro I am not going to fish in front of you in order to have a good experience. You do know that the co-angler paid his fees just like you.. 2nd and this is just me personally I don't have an issues with fishing off the back of the boat hell I grew up having to do that fish for fun with my grandpa so for me just allow me the ride and I will happily work my allotted area happily.. so I think everyone should relax & have fun. But you can't do that cause it's money on the line. And I get that. So like the mob says it's business never personal..
Dont be a co angler. Best advice out there
Pay your money. Sit down, shut up and stay out of my way. Hopefully you will learn something. The only reason the co angler is there is that the rules require one for certain tournaments. They are going to beat every piece of cover to death before you get a shot.
That's the way it is and I understand. If the boater is worrying about positioning the boat so you have a chance, he's taking opportunities away from him/herself.
Unfortunately,it's pay your money and stay out of the way.
I've seen both sides.
I keep telling my brother every time he’s the co angler but the little bastard keeps competing with me anyways
Randy, I just wanted to add a side note to your show. It is now illegal to film at Lake Mead, unless you file for a permit which is $200.00 and takes 10 working days to process. If your permit is denied you also loose you 200 bucks. What is wrong with the country?
That’s ridiculous. What reason did they give?
@@randyblaukatintuitive Interesting.
So.. don’t be competitive. Don’t fish any good structures until the “pro” is done picking it apart.. throw behind the boat where odds of catching fish go down a whole lot.. don’t bring the gear I want.. don’t throw the lures I want just throw finesse stuff. And you said it’s better if the “pro” don’t even know you are there.. 🤔 so in other words save your time and money and never be a co angler.. got it.
If you want to engage in competitive fishing you’re exactly right, being a co-angler is the wrong experience. You need to be a boater if you want to engage in competitive fishing
@@astrophysicistguy the way Randy is describing it, is it’s pointless. Competitive or even just to go out and have a good time fishing. One guy in the comments said it’s $1,500 to be a coangler for the weekend you are paying all that money to go on a boat ride and get a tan. If it’s costing me that much money I expect to have fun catch fish and learn as much as I can.
@@dacuna1010 I agree that it’s pointless. For $1,500 I can hire a local guide for 3 8-hr trips on my home waters where he can teach me how to locate bass. I don’t need help with technique which is all you’ll be getting as a co-angler
@@astrophysicistguy EXACTLY man.. maybe it shouldn’t I don’t know but when you have these “pros” acting like people need to cater to them walk on egg shells. If it was free to be a co boater then yes 💯 percent agree with them. But it’s not it’s expensive. They just act like their time and money is most important than someone else’s which drives me nuts.
@@dacuna1010 the whole concept of a ‘co-angler’ where there is prize money at stake was/is just a bad concept. 2 people can’t fish the same water, it doesn’t work. On the one hand you have the pro whose expenses are way more than the Co, he has to go out and locate fish and in most cases is actually trying to make a living and then deal with some guy in the back of his boat and hope he won’t interfere with him catching teh fish he has found. MLF has the right answer: no co-anglers, just non paid Marshalls. You still get to be in the boat with a pro & watch & learn without competing. The entire c-angler concept needs to be scraped. Just like this ridiculous ‘shove 5 fish in a live well all day’ so back at the dock you can parade around on a stage yelling “look what I caught! I’m the great white hunter!!” It’s just pathetic
Good solid common sense advice. The golden rule applies in every aspect of life.
I want to be a co Angler with a pro before I leave this world. I’m 55 year old, Retired from the Navy. DONT want to go with a live scoper.
Remember everybody. All pros aint pros really. It is beginning to get boring hearing them say nice things about everyone in the tournament with them. They are not telling the truth abiut each other. You are at a disadvantage of being a nonboater period. Only way to fix that is buy you a boat.
Being a “pro” means the entry check cleared
Being a Co-angler is not about competitive fishing so you are not at a disadvantage. If you want to do competitive fishing you need to enter events as a boater - period
Information is great and all, but they paid to catch fish too. Pros and Co's ALWAYS end the day better at the scales when they can work together... Attitude goes both ways...also, they should stop saying Pros and Cos... there are Co's out there with way more experience than some of the "pros" Maybe they don't care to move up, Maybe they sold their boat but still like the competitive format of a tournament, Maybe they just want to fish different locations than they have their whole lives...you never know what you're gonna get...
Communication and mutual respect is key
Here's the thing though If the boater is just searching with livescope and dropping a drop shot on fish he spots all day that co angler's chance of doing well is slim to none and they probably won't learn much of anything either. It's so common where I'm at I'm considering just giving it up until I can afford my own boat. Just to be clear I don't fault the boaters at all, they're just doing what they have to do to win and frankly I would probably be doing the same thing if I was in their spot. It's just a sign of the times
If you learn anything from running livescope, it’s that fish move around a ton and often are just near cover and not in it. Keep a bait soaking and you might be surprised what you can catch.
@@MJ_Bass usually you can catch a few but getting a limit behind a livescoper is a tough task
Yup the boaters will always back seat the non boater
Great tips, thanks Randy. I’m planning on trying co-angling at a few tournaments this year, and am trying to absorb as much information as I can on co-angling. I’ve been fishing from the backs of boats just to practice and get a feel for things, telling my friends “fish where you want to, at the pace you want to go, and don’t worry about me”. In my mind that will help me in co-angling situations. Anyway, Merry Christmas , and thanks again ! 🎄
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I think a co angler that has to fish with somebody that is in open water live scoping is a bad deal. 🤷🏼
Yeah just experienced that. Very bad deal
Talk is cheap
I wouldn’t waste my time or the so called pros
I qualified for the the All American in 2006 as a Co Angler and I can say they don’t care
I’m not sure why they even have co anglers anymore
Here is one story. Fishing a Bass tournament on the Harris Chain no nets allowed if you would have heard the way the so called pro was yelling at me when I was trying to lip his fish it was pathetic
Why would any pro have someone else lip their fish? That’s a fish story waiting to happen …
Change the format
Cast behind the boat wtffff 😂
I enjoy your videos but your attitude towards cos infuriates me. I unfollowed you the last time u posted a co-angler video (yes, i returned lol) . It sounds whiny and selfish. I quit fishing the opens as a co because of this attitude. I don't mean to come across as disrespectful, however, cos spend alot of money and time as well while having to adjust to a different, lots of times unknown, style of fishing. Competition is what drives me to spend that money and take the time to fish tourneys. And, yes, i have my own boat. Love all of the other videos and your channel and would love to meet/fish with you but just not in a tourney 😉 JMO! Merry Christmas, Randy! Thx for your info!
I have a great attitude towards co anglers. I’m just not going to them to keep me from catching fish, and either is any other pro.CO’s have to make the most out of the situation they’re in regardless, if it’s not ideal for them. That’s why the entire concept of a co-angler is flawed. There needs to be marshals only.
Thank you Randy, I’m gonna download this and send it to my co-angler before Fishing my pro tournaments, seriously thank you sir
I don't agree with all of what you are saying. First of all if I would want to catch fish I'd spend the 800.00 co fee on a guide. You of course are speaking about pro tournaments and co anglers. Co anglers are essentially fishing to make sure pros follow the rules. If they are satisfied with paying that much to draw a pro to fish with some of your thinking is ok.
However in draw tournaments where boyh have equal time it's a completely different story.
I'm sure you remember the days of being paired with another pro angler although I think BASS did their best to avoid a lot of mis pairings. I mean you didn't see two well known pros drawn out together much.
So what you're saying is to co anglers is to just be happy learning what you can while fishing with him.
A better scenario would be to combine weights of the boat so the pro helps the co angler to catch fish.
If you're a co angler just happy spending your fee to learn from a pro then I can agree with your thinking.
But we all love to catch fish.
Pay attention to where each cast from your pro is directed to and cast to a different spot. Casting behind the boat will result in a lot of break offs as the boat moves forward.
Just my opinion. I wouldn't fish as a co angler.
And if your fishing behind the boat, you will get hung up so much it will eventually piss off the guy at the front of the boat. The speed of the boat and the speed of your retrieve =‘s crank baits left on the bottom. Let’s face it. Most of these so called “pros” are so stressed out they couldn’t catch a cold in an elementary school. As a boater, I always keep in mind the co-angler. The best way to fish as a co angler is finesse fish. If your fishing a BASS open, prepare to fish with an idiot. As a co angler never assume that you will draw a true pro. Most often you will draw little Johnny. Not everyone is Randy. Lol. And for the co angler, “never ever load up your rods with 50# braid”. No one wants to stop for thirty minutes while you try to reel in a cedar tree at 30’. Bring a sharp knife.
“Pros”
The term "pro" is overused. Boater is more accurate. My son has drawn guys who do not practice. They are not experienced at fishing , just at owning a boat. Learning is better served, by hiring a guide. There was a time when the boater felt a responsibility to practice, find fish and give the co angler a proper tournament experience. If you are not trying to win , why pay an entry fee? Professionals are accommodating , considerate .....Professional ! I feel that is lost on todays Boaters
Common sense and good manners. Why is it so difficult?
The competitive situation and money involved, sometimes bring out the worst in some dudes
I wish all co anglers would take this great advice
Your both there to catch fish, it's to expensive to just get a participation trophy in my opinion. Pros need to treat the Co angler like they would want to be treated.
If I went as a co I don't think I would even bring a rod. I would certainly be there for the learning experience
Come on man, cos are there to compete and fish. If you just want to observe sign up to be a marshal
@@MJ_Bass pretty sure being a marshal is either free or pays money. better than being a co for sure if you just want to watch.
@@TheFishdoctor1952 yeah and you'll be paired with probably a better fisherman
A lot of the “pro anglers “ have no clue about anything. They just have the money to blow.
As a co angler fishing your own strength cover the back door same as a team angler would do help to catch fish you’ll have no problem an find a friend for the future days on the water , thanks 😊 😅