This was in my opinion spot on! Toyota series on lewis day 1 I wore my boater out he was throwing a deep crank I threw crig a day crushed them gotta think outside the box and be diverse
Good series Todd. You struck a nerve with the c-rig, all I could do was think about how bad I sucked this year in the BFL's and go, why, why, why!! Of course I had a boater tell me we were going shallow on Friday, Saturday we take off, he wants to go throw a c-rig first!! All good, threw a big shakey head. I'm still debating on going back to boater next year, for me it is as much about my health, bad back these days so running my boat I can control the beating. I will re-watch these again! Thanks.
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 thank you sir. I did two years as a boater, had some interesting co's! One thing I try to do as a co is treat the boater's boat as if it were mine. I'm pretty sure I will jump back in next year as a boater! Good luck to you.
My favorite comment I ever heard from a pro, “Man you’re catching them where I’m not throwing.” There were 35,000 thousand reasons why, that was the right choice that day on that lake. One tip I would give new co-anglers, have multiple Carolina rig leaders tied in case of a break off or line abrasion. The more time your bait is in the water, greater the odds of loading the live well. Catch’em!
I hear you on throwing Carolina rig but me personally I would be focused on top water and pwr fishing.. that why I be in my own zone & the pro certainly has one less thing he has to worry or think about. Hello we never know if he has had rough night at home & that plus worried about winning a tournament is alot pressure and truth is many people don't handle pressure well even though they may have the best poker face..
This one was good,do you have co anglers out there that try and do everything you do,I would definitely have the C-rig on its goes everywhere with me,and I fish alot out of the back,but I'm like you on a spinning rod I hate em,put my drop shot on a light baitcaster,shimano has a new finess baitcaster I would like and probably will have lol,great video Todd👊
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 your right about that I can't ever catch em on the something as guy in front I have to do my own thing,that's what makes fishing fun
Todd thanks for these informational video's. I have been a co angler before and experienced some of these things and I have also had times when my boater has said we are going to fish for you because I'm not going to make the cut . When I was co-angling i always try to travel light and no more than 5 rods be cause you can do multiple applications with most rods if you stay around the 7' medium set up.
Great video Todd, thanks for this series. You've mentioned before that you fish really fast with your t/m on high. Question, when your co-angler catches a good one, do you slow down for them to land the fish? What about when your co gets hung up?
I have a set list of things I do as a co-angler in the BFL'S. When I get my confirmed boaters name, I first go check his bio/profile. If he has fished 47 events and has a whopping career earning of $367.....I typically pack as many baits as I can possibly pack into my ONE and only tackle bag. If he has a decent record of being in the money, I go off of what he tells me and usually pack light. I bring the typical seasonal consistent baits but not as many. I never take more than 3 rods. I do bring 2 spare reels but no more than 3 rods. Space is limited as is. A cranking set-up, a jig/worm set up and then a spinning rod that covers many options. Sometimes packing less saves you from fishing nonsense, out of confusion.
I would love to hear your thoughts on co anglers netting fish or landing fish for the boater and vice versa… what is expected, what is not, and things you should do and should not do in tourneys where nets and help is allowed, thanks!!
Yea I rarely talk it out first, I usually just net all of there’s and they net mine if I ask, most net them without me asking. After the first net job I make my determination after that. I will say I’ve heard tons of horror stories but I really don’t have anything that’s outrageous. I do believe that it’s a big deal and I’d say I’ve only had a few net like my fishing partners do. But we go after it!!!!!!
If you go into any event as a coangler on planet earth without a carolina rig, vibrating jig, and a drop shot you’re costing yourself money and points, The best advice you’ll ever hear as a coangler is; anytime it’s possible fish a different column of water than the boater. If he’s throwing a moving topwater , throw a spinnerbait/ vibrating jig. If he’s dragging a worm over grass, throw a lipless crankbait or jerkbait. When you find yourself in a situation where you have to fish the same way, such as flipping bushes, use a heavier or lighter weight. I always started heavier simply because I could make more presentations in a day. DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT and you’ll catch them.
Hi Todd great videos and channel love your style and honesty. CO angler question and I can take brutal honesty. Im newbie but more concerned I am a fat guy 290lbs How would boaters consider me as a co angler ? is that weight a problem for them ?? Cheers mate .
Here’s the deal for me that wouldn’t even be close to a concern for me. Easy going co anglers that don’t hinder me are what I want. I just realized that what I want is a guy I really don’t know is back there, but not in a bad way. I move a lot and move fast if you are always ready to move spots and never slow me down your good with me. I wouldn’t worry about it all.
Thinking about Co-Angling for fun next year.. I hear you about the Carolina Rig.. what type of plastic is the best for that application or what do you suggest using?? Thanks and I am enjoying this subject.
Another great video Todd, I would of like to have drawn you out on Neely or lay last year. You seem to take care of your co anglers really well. Great information bud.
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 That's right, I think I still could have learned alot from you on Neely Henry as well. You were catching them on a spot were I usually fish and catching them with a different technique. Keep up the great work bud. Have a Happy Father's Day .
Hey Todd, I have a question that's a little off topic. I've only used the cheap Walmart polarized glasses and I've been thinking about buying some Costa's or some type of big money glasses, are they worth it or is it marketing hype?
Yes they are worth it, I’ve honestly never lost a pair of glasses so that’s not a worry for me. If something happens send them back they are pretty good at repairing. Advice is to go to a store and try on as many pairs as possible to find the ones that fit perfect. Then ask around about lenses. I only use sunrise silver for fishing but it might not be for everyone, just personal preference
Great info Todd had some of those exact scenarios go down this weekend in a tournament on Clear lake in Cali. My pro was on a crank bait bite and had to position his boat and cast in a way that prevented me from fishing the bank but he told me before we even got to the spot what he was going to do and where he thought I could fish that spot. What do you know He ended up winning the event and I got a check. One question though... No shakeyhead?
Thanks Todd. Couple Questions. If Co is smashing on say Carolina or Ned rig and the boater switches to the same as the Co, is that ok? And if boater switches, should the Co change up?
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 thanks i was thinking that if the Boater was smashing that it was not good for the Co to switch to what Boater is throwing.
I would add one in with the ned/drop shot spinning rod category. A 3 inch swimbait on a 1/4oz head will get bit anywhere and can go from shallow to deep. Works well out of the back.
Hey Todd, I have a question about the Hybrid Hunter Jr. I've been fishing the regular Hunter with great success. But today I decided to throw the Jr. I managed 2 bass on it, but both fish got off. I know the hooks on the Jr. are quite small, especially the back hook. Do you upsize the hooks at all on the Jr? Appreciate it!
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 Thanks bud. And you may be right, could just be bad luck. I just didn't know if upsizing the hooks on it (like people do on the 1.5's) would affect the action or not.
I don’t fish a C-rig much so I’m not comfortable with it. I’ve been with boaters that fish fast so it seemed to me that technique would not work. Is it possible to fish it when the boater is running and gunning?
Todd, great info as always, but one question I have, relates to line type and size. Is there a type and size you would recommend for a back deck guy? For instance, 40 lb braid across the board or couple heavy braid, couple 20 lb fluro, and a lightweight spinning setup.
Great stuff again, there’s a lot of that technique in some of those baits you mentioned that I need to learn and slow down whether it’s as a boater or co angler I just have hell slowing down it feels so unnatural to me but I think there’s days that they won’t eat anything no matter where you throw it or how you fish it and that’s not the anglers fault it’s just how it goes sometimes. I just fished back to back local derby’s over the last 2 weekends one on Alan Henry and one on Champion Creek Reservoir both these lakes I know really well, I found schools of fish on both using live scope and only filled a limit in one derby and still came up short of placing and one I didn’t even catch a keeper but learned a lot on both body’s of water. On one of these derbies out of 28 anglers only 40 fish where weighed in and no one, absolutely no one caught a limit, it was rough🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Todd, sometimes co-anglers choose to be in the back of the boat even though they own a bass boat, have multiple tournament trophies and are possibly a better angler than the boater. When we put our time and effort in and get the bad draw that intentionally do their best to shut you off, it sure leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Been on both sides of that coin.
That was very good advice Todd. Great to hear a different perspective.. I already do all I can to not be a bother or even noticed to the boater. Just out of respect for him.. really like to fish with guys like you. Thanks again for taking the time to share your experience with us..!!!!
I take 6 rods, three casting and three spinning rods. Usually my casting rods have two for flipping and pitching usually my go to is a texas rigged tube and weighted texas rigged stick bait. The other casting rod has a spinner bait or swim jig. I have one spinning rod with a small top water or small crank bait, the other is wacky stick bait or neko rig, and my last is a split shot rig basically a finesse Carolina rig. Also I’ll never cast past the center console. Once that center console passes the target in my opinion it’s fair game as long as the boater doesn’t say otherwise. Only time I won’t throw if the center console pass the lay down or whatever the target is. Is if I noticed the boater miss one or something of that nature. I won’t throw at any target right after the boater sets the hook and misses one. I’ve heard of cos doing this and in my opinion that’s a big no no
I have been on both sides of this, I always kept it fair, if the boater back boated me? I would just sling a big spinnerbait past his ear a few times, they get the hint.. both parties in the boat have equal water to fish.
Hmmm so if you think you have a spot you think you should throw at and you don’t get to because your boater is throwing at it , throwing a spinner bait by his ear is ok.
The co-anger should be practicing with the angler in my opinion if they possibly can or at least do their research on the lake they are going to fish. They also should be talking to the angler to see what their fishing pace is. Whether they fish the banks fast, slow, or at a medium pace. What type of areas they will be fishing so they can be better prepared if that is possible
Best video for Co-Anglers, period. Thank you.
This was in my opinion spot on! Toyota series on lewis day 1 I wore my boater out he was throwing a deep crank I threw crig a day crushed them gotta think outside the box and be diverse
Good series Todd. You struck a nerve with the c-rig, all I could do was think about how bad I sucked this year in the BFL's and go, why, why, why!! Of course I had a boater tell me we were going shallow on Friday, Saturday we take off, he wants to go throw a c-rig first!! All good, threw a big shakey head. I'm still debating on going back to boater next year, for me it is as much about my health, bad back these days so running my boat I can control the beating. I will re-watch these again! Thanks.
If your thinking about going back go ahead and go. I get the driving part and bad back at least you can control it a bit
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 thank you sir. I did two years as a boater, had some interesting co's! One thing I try to do as a co is treat the boater's boat as if it were mine. I'm pretty sure I will jump back in next year as a boater! Good luck to you.
It would be awesome to spend one day in the back of your boat
Thanks for the videos you do
LOL I'm 4 minutes in thinking...do I keep waiting for the baits
Thanx for this series Todd - from an amateur, hopeful one day co
Maybe next year I’ll be trying it out
Good luck
Good honest stuff to go by. And on point.
Thanks
Yo boss man do you always have to fish finesse when you're throwing moving baits ?
No I’ve just seen it work better for the guys in back
Great information Todd!
Thanks
My favorite comment I ever heard from a pro, “Man you’re catching them where I’m not throwing.” There were 35,000 thousand reasons why, that was the right choice that day on that lake. One tip I would give new co-anglers, have multiple Carolina rig leaders tied in case of a break off or line abrasion. The more time your bait is in the water, greater the odds of loading the live well. Catch’em!
Agreed
What about snags and hang ups as a co angler
I hear you on throwing Carolina rig but me personally I would be focused on top water and pwr fishing.. that why I be in my own zone & the pro certainly has one less thing he has to worry or think about. Hello we never know if he has had rough night at home & that plus worried about winning a tournament is alot pressure and truth is many people don't handle pressure well even though they may have the best poker face..
Our point of view. If ya don't want a co angler in your boat find another tournament. Some of us train for this.
This one was good,do you have co anglers out there that try and do everything you do,I would definitely have the C-rig on its goes everywhere with me,and I fish alot out of the back,but I'm like you on a spinning rod I hate em,put my drop shot on a light baitcaster,shimano has a new finess baitcaster I would like and probably will have lol,great video Todd👊
Not everything I have just e seen that most cases doing the same thing doesn’t get the same result.
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 your right about that I can't ever catch em on the something as guy in front I have to do my own thing,that's what makes fishing fun
Todd thanks for these informational video's. I have been a co angler before and experienced some of these things and I have also had times when my boater has said we are going to fish for you because I'm not going to make the cut . When I was co-angling i always try to travel light and no more than 5 rods be cause you can do multiple applications with most rods if you stay around the 7' medium set up.
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Great video Todd, thanks for this series. You've mentioned before that you fish really fast with your t/m on high. Question, when your co-angler catches a good one, do you slow down for them to land the fish? What about when your co gets hung up?
I have a set list of things I do as a co-angler in the BFL'S. When I get my confirmed boaters name, I first go check his bio/profile. If he has fished 47 events and has a whopping career earning of $367.....I typically pack as many baits as I can possibly pack into my ONE and only tackle bag. If he has a decent record of being in the money, I go off of what he tells me and usually pack light. I bring the typical seasonal consistent baits but not as many. I never take more than 3 rods. I do bring 2 spare reels but no more than 3 rods. Space is limited as is. A cranking set-up, a jig/worm set up and then a spinning rod that covers many options. Sometimes packing less saves you from fishing nonsense, out of confusion.
All good stuff
I would love to hear your thoughts on co anglers netting fish or landing fish for the boater and vice versa… what is expected, what is not, and things you should do and should not do in tourneys where nets and help is allowed, thanks!!
you work that out the minute you get on the boat with the boater.. if he wont net for you you do not have to net for him.. it is all in communication
Yea I rarely talk it out first, I usually just net all of there’s and they net mine if I ask, most net them without me asking. After the first net job I make my determination after that. I will say I’ve heard tons of horror stories but I really don’t have anything that’s outrageous. I do believe that it’s a big deal and I’d say I’ve only had a few net like my fishing partners do. But we go after it!!!!!!
It's crazy you only have that many subs this channel shits on all the big ones like getting genuine information
Hey I don’t appeal to the googans to much truth
If you go into any event as a coangler on planet earth without a carolina rig, vibrating jig, and a drop shot you’re costing yourself money and points, The best advice you’ll ever hear as a coangler is; anytime it’s possible fish a different column of water than the boater. If he’s throwing a moving topwater , throw a spinnerbait/ vibrating jig. If he’s dragging a worm over grass, throw a lipless crankbait or jerkbait. When you find yourself in a situation where you have to fish the same way, such as flipping bushes, use a heavier or lighter weight. I always started heavier simply because I could make more presentations in a day. DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT and you’ll catch them.
This ☝️☝️☝️
Wish I would have seen this series a few years ago when I was fishing as a co. Great info and perspective.
Thank you
Hi Todd great videos and channel love your style and honesty.
CO angler question and I can take brutal honesty.
Im newbie but more concerned I am a fat guy 290lbs How would boaters consider me as a co angler ? is that weight a problem for them ?? Cheers mate .
Here’s the deal for me that wouldn’t even be close to a concern for me. Easy going co anglers that don’t hinder me are what I want. I just realized that what I want is a guy I really don’t know is back there, but not in a bad way. I move a lot and move fast if you are always ready to move spots and never slow me down your good with me. I wouldn’t worry about it all.
Thinking about Co-Angling for fun next year.. I hear you about the Carolina Rig.. what type of plastic is the best for that application or what do you suggest using?? Thanks and I am enjoying this subject.
Check out my Carolina rig videos it would be the same for you as well I promise. It’ll cover every situation
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 - Thanks for answering my question.. I will check out those videos.
Another great video Todd, I would of like to have drawn you out on Neely or lay last year. You seem to take care of your co anglers really well. Great information bud.
Lay lake was the tournament to draw me
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 That's right, I think I still could have learned alot from you on Neely Henry as well. You were catching them on a spot were I usually fish and catching them with a different technique. Keep up the great work bud. Have a Happy Father's Day .
Awesome stuff Todd!!
How about a suggestion if you're dealing with the spawn on a smallmouth fishery?.....
dropshot, dropshot , dropshot
agreed
Hey Todd, I have a question that's a little off topic. I've only used the cheap Walmart polarized glasses and I've been thinking about buying some Costa's or some type of big money glasses, are they worth it or is it marketing hype?
Check out Eye Surrender. You can buy them from tackle warehouse.
They are worth it my friend
Yes they are worth it, I’ve honestly never lost a pair of glasses so that’s not a worry for me. If something happens send them back they are pretty good at repairing. Advice is to go to a store and try on as many pairs as possible to find the ones that fit perfect. Then ask around about lenses. I only use sunrise silver for fishing but it might not be for everyone, just personal preference
Great info Todd had some of those exact scenarios go down this weekend in a tournament on Clear lake in Cali. My pro was on a crank bait bite and had to position his boat and cast in a way that prevented me from fishing the bank but he told me before we even got to the spot what he was going to do and where he thought I could fish that spot. What do you know He ended up winning the event and I got a check. One question though... No shakeyhead?
I think the ned rig is close
Thanks Todd. Couple Questions. If Co is smashing on say Carolina or Ned rig and the boater switches to the same as the Co, is that ok? And if boater switches, should the Co change up?
Absolutely ok, just like the other way around. Should he change up? only if it starts to affect him and he can’t get bit.
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 thanks i was thinking that if the Boater was smashing that it was not good for the Co to switch to what Boater is throwing.
I would add one in with the ned/drop shot spinning rod category. A 3 inch swimbait on a 1/4oz head will get bit anywhere and can go from shallow to deep. Works well out of the back.
Yes certain lakes mainly clear ones I’d throw this in there
Hey Todd, I have a question about the Hybrid Hunter Jr. I've been fishing the regular Hunter with great success. But today I decided to throw the Jr. I managed 2 bass on it, but both fish got off. I know the hooks on the Jr. are quite small, especially the back hook. Do you upsize the hooks at all on the Jr? Appreciate it!
I assume they are #4’s I switch to owner #4s but it might have just been bad luck
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 Thanks bud. And you may be right, could just be bad luck. I just didn't know if upsizing the hooks on it (like people do on the 1.5's) would affect the action or not.
I don’t fish a C-rig much so I’m not comfortable with it. I’ve been with boaters that fish fast so it seemed to me that technique would not work. Is it possible to fish it when the boater is running and gunning?
Yes it is trust me
Todd, great info as always, but one question I have, relates to line type and size. Is there a type and size you would recommend for a back deck guy? For instance, 40 lb braid across the board or couple heavy braid, couple 20 lb fluro, and a lightweight spinning setup.
You can also bring different reels with different lines at put them in your tackle bag. Gives a bit more versatility.
What baits do you suggest to Carolina rig
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Great stuff again, there’s a lot of that technique in some of those baits you mentioned that I need to learn and slow down whether it’s as a boater or co angler I just have hell slowing down it feels so unnatural to me but I think there’s days that they won’t eat anything no matter where you throw it or how you fish it and that’s not the anglers fault it’s just how it goes sometimes. I just fished back to back local derby’s over the last 2 weekends one on Alan Henry and one on Champion Creek Reservoir both these lakes I know really well, I found schools of fish on both using live scope and only filled a limit in one derby and still came up short of placing and one I didn’t even catch a keeper but learned a lot on both body’s of water. On one of these derbies out of 28 anglers only 40 fish where weighed in and no one, absolutely no one caught a limit, it was rough🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Yea that’s tough
Todd, sometimes co-anglers choose to be in the back of the boat even though they own a bass boat, have multiple tournament trophies and are possibly a better angler than the boater. When we put our time and effort in and get the bad draw that intentionally do their best to shut you off, it sure leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Been on both sides of that coin.
Yea and like I said I have no advice for certain situations it’s just tough
That was very good advice Todd. Great to hear a different perspective.. I already do all I can to not be a bother or even noticed to the boater. Just out of respect for him.. really like to fish with guys like you. Thanks again for taking the time to share your experience with us..!!!!
I take 6 rods, three casting and three spinning rods. Usually my casting rods have two for flipping and pitching usually my go to is a texas rigged tube and weighted texas rigged stick bait. The other casting rod has a spinner bait or swim jig. I have one spinning rod with a small top water or small crank bait, the other is wacky stick bait or neko rig, and my last is a split shot rig basically a finesse Carolina rig. Also I’ll never cast past the center console. Once that center console passes the target in my opinion it’s fair game as long as the boater doesn’t say otherwise. Only time I won’t throw if the center console pass the lay down or whatever the target is. Is if I noticed the boater miss one or something of that nature. I won’t throw at any target right after the boater sets the hook and misses one. I’ve heard of cos doing this and in my opinion that’s a big no no
That’s all good stuff
I have been on both sides of this, I always kept it fair, if the boater back boated me? I would just sling a big spinnerbait past his ear a few times, they get the hint.. both parties in the boat have equal water to fish.
Hmmm so if you think you have a spot you think you should throw at and you don’t get to because your boater is throwing at it , throwing a spinner bait by his ear is ok.
The co-anger should be practicing with the angler in my opinion if they possibly can or at least do their research on the lake they are going to fish. They also should be talking to the angler to see what their fishing pace is. Whether they fish the banks fast, slow, or at a medium pace. What type of areas they will be fishing so they can be better prepared if that is possible
I’d like to come down there and fish with you. I’ll fill up both your truck and boat and buy lunch! 😂👍
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Moral of the story keep your credit in good shape and buy you a boat, problem solved😁
If you want to fish as a boater, some don’t and most cos I know own a boat.
You can buy a new Bass Cat for in the low 300's per month, absolutely crazy how low monthly payments can bring a brand new rig
Great info Todd!
Thanks