Roofers don't want you to know this - Roofing tips and how spot roof leaks
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- This is just a short video showing some basic tips and tricks for spotting potential roof leaks on a tile roof here in southern California.
This is a roof I was inspecting for possible causes for their roof leaks. I found a few different roof related problems you may come across and hope fully this will help someone find some easy leaks. Leaks can be really hard to find sometimes, and I have a few helpful tips for spotting them in this video.
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I like watching and learning from pros and I just did......Thanks to the gent that made this
Finally found someone that knows what there talking about. Great eye and honest. You know your craft where others will burn you! Nice work
I appreciate that!
Damn that's a lot of work of only one spot leaking thanks for showing us the proper way to fix it.
Roofing it's not my job no more it's part of my life I cant leave with the working on a roof I dont imagine working somewhere else i love what i do and i love learning from other, ROOFING FOR EVER specially in arizona love it.
I seen a couple broken tiles looked like hail small chunks missing. You could be looking at more of an issue if the tile fastenings have been compromised
thank you ....lot of good information. Personally never fixed or worked on a roof period......but at least I have some broad idea what to look for. Friend has a water leak ,where water is coming thru her ceiling fan and another where the ceiling has a water spot right adjacent to the wall. Anyway...lol...thanks for the nice demo and info. !
We have these type of tiles and have not been "serviced" in the 20 years since the house was built. Can't wait to take a look up there.
I would check it out if i were you.
@@SouthCountyRoofing I did, uploaded a video inspired by your film style. I know you will get a kick out of it!
Good video. Thanks!
Greatly appreciated the thorough explanations!!
Thanks! You You give some very good advice. I think most won't be able to do any of the work you're suggesting on a roof like that, at least not a basic diy'er.
I wouldn't expect a diy'er to tackle a complicated roof repair like this. But, I did want to give homeowners some tips for when you get roofers out to your home for tile roof repair estimate.
West Coast Roofer - Roofing and Roof Repair Gotcha, and I can appreciate that.
Phenomenal Video! thanks for the insight
Thank you for you support.
don't even go up there unless you plan on fixing it, this companies more the problem then the cure.
I haven’t seen these here in Colorado but looks interesting thou.
That sealant on the sewage vent didn't miss the hole. Those rubber gaskets shrink over time, and it pulled back most likely.
Here in southern California roofers don't use rubber gaskets because they are not required. That was a bad caulk job.
But, you are right about that happening to the rubber "boots" they are sometimes referred to as.
Couldn't possibly be that full field tile that slipped down ABOVE the valley, allowing all kinds of water UNDER the valley.........lol
My guess is (After watching the entire video) that they used Shake/Composition Valley.
It also would have been interesting to see where the water was actually coming in from, IF not from the slipped tile.
Tile Valleys are notorious for debris build-up. And if they didn't use hemmed "W" valley, the water just dams up on the debris and washes over the edge.
For me, all tile roofs should have been installed using two layers of #30 felt, with an 18 inch offset. I said that over 35 years ago.
BUT Monier, with their infinite wisdom, used to allow Villa/Roma/Chateau tiles to be installed over skipped sheeting.............lol
FYI. Neoprene collars work better on ABS pipes, instead of mastic.
And...............Why the hell did the roofer cut the tile around the ABS pipe for? Bottom end should be exposed, allowing free water flow.
PLUS, those are the wrong ABS pipe flashings for Tile.
Tell the viewers "Don't glue the chips on the bottom, because THAT'S where the water flows down the Water Channel".
Take out the the J-Pan (Tin Run) because??? $$$??? maybe?
Just clean the pan out, and make sure the "J" hem is not folded over. My experience has been that this happens because some Tile Roofers are too lazy (Stupid) to chip the head-lap off when it intersects that part of the metal. (Including the Valley Hem)
Good info all round, but shy of what the Video Heading suggested.
Keep up the good work though.
In UK we use felting but all tiles on a roof should be capable of removing the rain water. The felt is there for moisture.. the over laps on that roof look like they are on the limit.
It was tract work which is usually garbage work in CA.
On the stink pipes,, the cracks are from expansion contraction. Use a counter flashing
That seems like a very stylish roof. I mean those tiles can't be cheap. This video demonstrates that they cant be better then any other material perhaps worse.
thanks for sharing the details.
My pleasure!
A piece of fishing line or a thin nylon rope from the corner of that chimney will allow water to run down it instead of dripping without being visible from the ground... In chemistry you use a glad rod to do the same thing so you're not splashing acid when you pour.
Joel Stanley I don't think he cared enough to fix that problem
@@shandelebroyles1099 Yep and was the easiest fix. Shame he didn't care enough .
Joel Stanley
he could also get rid of/eliminate the corner(s) causing the problem by connecting between that corner and the chimney..
can you explain this again please bro
Crash course over-view, thank you.
Thank you!
Shouldn’t the valley have more room for water flow? Cricket by the chimney?
The valley's are 24" wide. Water flows off the valley metal just same no matter the room. Your roofer should always use "ribbed" valley when installing tile or make them bend up the edge fold to keep water from going under outside the valley and back onto the roof. If your roofer does that you can use a close cut valley which in my opinion looks much better.
Pro roofer here 20 years experience. First of all the tile pan does not need to be removed. The tiles need to be removed all the way down, the pan needs to be cleared of debris and the metal edge needs to be re-worked so it is standing up. A lot of installers just hammer it flat so the tiles sit flush. Then the tiles need to be cut to allow a 2 inch gap between the tiles and the wall. Next, the valley tiles need to be pulled from the valley, the valley debris needs to be cleaned put, valley metal gets pulled and re-paper under the valley. After re-installing the valley metal the tiles need to be cut back allowing a 2-4 inch gap between the tiles so water no longer dams and runs sideways into the roof. Check any vents, broken tiles etc and done.
There's no debris in the tile pan or the valley. What you said can happen and does. And, if you're like all the other roofers around here. Keep installing paper over the existing paper. That guarantees me job security!
Who puts paper over existing bad paper?
A bunch of roofers like to do that. Half the repair we do half new paper installed installed right over the old paper "hoping" the leak is under it. It's a joke.
Yep.. AC guys and Roofers. Need more R410 or have a 2 foot leak you're just gonna have to replace the whole thing.
I use a product called Perma boot for my drain vents.
Really wish you were in South Dakota. Seems as if it’s impossible to find good people that do tile work
how old is this roof? I have the same issues and my roof is only 3 years old
I’m impressed & I’ve been licensed since 85..
Thank you DQ10!
You don’t need to do all that! Just get yourself some FLEX SEAL! Done! 🤣
At 3:34 this dude sounds like Danny devito. Haha
I personally think it’s not necessary to remove the metal tile pan. You just put mastic all along the tile pan than sit the new paper on than put mastic on top and that way it’s super secure. I’ve done a Lot of repairs like this, but every roofer works differently. I like your work and that u take pride in your work
You mean his workers work don't you? All I caught before stopping it was him making a video while talking shit on others in the profession. You right though. Not necessary to pull the flashing up. If it stops short you can add the extra material & overlap & seal at the joint.
@@peterzinia3767 yeah he usually always talks shit about others work lol especially about the sealant around the pipes haha that little crack is almost impossible for it to leak through there cuz the lil water that does get lands on paper either way
Great video. Question- if one tile slides down and leaves the roof exposed to rain, isn’t the whole roof wet now all the way down in that section?
Yes, absolutely
@@SouthCountyRoofing That is disastrous... Not to mention concrete is porous, water can go through it. So why on earth are we using cement shingles!? And thanks for replying btw.
Every one of those roof boots was fucked and that first leak discussed is a step flashing issue...The Valley looked fine...The only way you get leaks in a valley is worn flashing or damage hole...
I appreciate the comment. There's no step flashing used the vertical side walls with tile such as shown in this video. They used channel metal comes in 10 foot long pieces. Leak was just under the the very front of the valley. Valley's done without ice and water shield or not properly woven wont last 30 years.
If you don't mind me asking, how much would a repair like this cost over there? We just moved to a house in Salem, Oregon, and have a similar cement tile roof with a handful of leaks.
Here roofers will charge from $80 bucks an hour per man per person all the way up to $150. The lower end gets you people who are slow and don't know what they are doing the upper end gets you someone who knows what they are doing. Most leaks can be fixing in 10-to-20-man hours plus materials.
At the start you assumed the leak was from the valley above but there wqs a tile with the upper right corner chipped right below it where water can easily enter. Also the felt underlay muat be damaged in order foe the water to make it all the way inaide.
I've done this exact repair on this same model a bunch. It's called experience.
Are these asbestos cement tile? How do you find someone to repair them? No one will in MI. Instead, we've been told to get an asphalt roof after another abatement company removes the asbestos cement tile.
Wow that unerlayment would not fly in Florida, and the tile wouldn't pass code either.
Take it all out
I’ve never seen these stone roofing tiles before
ItsInTheDetails they are probably only used in areas where it doesn’t know or rain much lmao
G Roy
I mean for real... slabs slipping?!!? Like that’s a normal thing to have your roof board completely exposed like that. Will stick with my asphalt shingles and just replace every 15 years or as needed lol. I cannot imagine wondering if I have an exposed section like that or not
Come to Europe, we always use concrete tiles. They dont slip out though
How do you trust these tiles to walk on when you see slipped tiles all around?
I'm pretty steady on my feet.
You should take the tiles of around all your vents to see if the felt goes over the flashing on at the top or under because I had to fix every vent they put on because they leaked.
Really, dude, good job.
@SouthCountyRoofing I should know because it's what they left with leaky roof. My next roof will be comp.
Why must cracked tiles be replaced? If Liquid nails can be applied and create a tight seal, why not? Also not sure where to buy the correct tile that fits. What do you do if you can't find the correct tile?
Cracked tile should be replaced because the sealant often fails. Then the tile gets loose and leaks. We see this a lot. Please subscribe if you found this video help or if you want to see more roof repair videos.
Better to not spend so much on heavy tile roof. Standing seam metal would’ve been better.
Do they still make these tiles? If yes, where can i get them. I live in orange county, Ca. Thanks
No they do not. The manufacture of the tile still makes the tiles but, they changed the channel of the tile which means the new ones wont fit together with the old one. Nice of them, huh!
Hi,
My home was build in 1988 so it is 34 years now. We have cement tiles. I had replaced roofing papers on right side sections of my roof due to water leak from a skylight and mold damage inside bathroom and kitchen downstairs. I had a few roofers came and told me physically viewing my left side roof sections are ok. One guy said I had a few broken tiles not sure he wanted to get the job.
As far as I know, there is no leak or yellow stain visibly inside from ceiling. Is it necessary to replace papers on the left side as well. Here in California, we don't get much rain any ways.
I am thinking to save money, so I can have someone go up in attics after a heavy rain and look for leak if any before doing anymore expensive roof work.
How long does roofing paper last? I read it is like 20 years.
Any advise?
You need professional to the job right lik me I have seen it all most of people have basic knowledge and looking to make money faster instead do fix right way I do hate this caind of firms or company or solo trader
Your paper should last about 50 years. There's certain areas on your roof where the paper will only last half as long. That's usually where you end up repairing those areas.
You got that right.
State of them ridges 😂😂😂
Wow.. you're such a good roofer. Wish most of those roofers out there are just like you, but they are not. Most are heartless just want to rob people of their hard earn money. Wonder how they sleep at night!!
Hopefully, not very well.
Any good professional architect will have access to industry standard roofing details of construction. Details that are approved by the roofing industry and their associations. Do not skimp on your roof. Insist on the higher standard details. Bar everything else, keep the friggin water out of your building w correct roofing membranes and, flash the hell out of your roof.
why don't you put sealant on the rails (tongue and grove, not sure what its called on a tile) I have 4 tiles that broke during a storm. I was looking on TH-cam as I found your video and most of the videos say to seal/glue the tongue and grove part of the tile then lay it in.
Is that incorrect?
I believe you are describing the "channel" part of the tile. If the tile comes loose and you need to seal or glue it back in place you can put the glue in the channel. But, place the glue high on the channel so that the glue does not block the flow of water off the channel and redirect it back under the tile.
Hello. Did you get this repair job? If so, is there a video of it? Thanks.
No, I didn't. They probably hired another roofer to leave the tile pan in place and just install some more felt over an area. Hope and pray!
The Lord will always supply work to meet your needs.
I live in S. CA, have a leaking roof valley, what is your contact information?
It should be on the home page. I can't give that out or the other roofers will do, well, you can imagine.
why are nails missing?
Chip tile do not worry will replace it... put some caulking on it done day... you had pride for the first three mins bout kicking tile up.... if your a true roofer you replace all tile that's damaged... more money for you
Who's the judge here? You? Think about that.
Should have a miter on them hip, come to the uk see some proper roofs
Those roofs and seader shake depend very much on underlayment
Also, all your caps and ridge caps should be sealed because water gets in and runs under your tiles, and if you have any dirt build-up and a hole in your felt it's going to leak also you should put screen on all your vents because rats will find there way in your attic.
Dang
I have a leak coming from the fireplace area, the guy came and checked the roof and didn't do crap, I still have the leak
What did you expect?
Every roof I lay gets my best .it's a pride thing
I’ve never seen concrete roof tiles. Why the hell would any one put those heavy crumbly things above your head?! Live in earthquake country so this baffles me.
Flat shingle tiles are shite , the watercourses always break . Don't the tiles have lugs on them or did someone knock the lug off ?
What we call "lugs" are located on the underside of the tile. You can't see them until you remove the tile. I
I like your videos but why not include an “after” video?
I shoot as much as I have time for. It's never planned I just do it as I have time. That's it.
By the number of videos you post you obviously have ample time to post others screw ups but never enough time to video your own. I lived in So Cal for 20 years scammers like you come and go
Another southern California know it all. Imagine that.
Those tiles are so bad, just for pretty. What stop leak is the paper underneath the tiles. Tiles look nice, no crack but still leaking. Need no tiles from now. My house has the the problem.
God damnit I know that was a expensive roof
I love shingling tight areas. Any excuse to use a palm nailer lol
And get in the shade...............lol
Can you crucify someone with an electric nailer?
What is the warranty on a new house roof?
Labor warranties for a new roof is typically 5 years
Half way thru i started hoping you’re in my area, where are you located as im on the west coast as well
Nvm, you’re in socal and im norcal. Great vid anyway
I recently relocated north east WA. Looking forward to cold weather roofing soon.
So just pouring some tar on won't solve the issue haha ? I'm broke and my slate roof is 200 years old lol I can't afford to have it taken apart at all
first off i am the best at water infiltration and saving the owner money ! , i own (Amelia Island Maintenance). now you don't need to tear it all up period ! i was impressed to here the 80/20 water infiltration specs. but what most people do not get is these tile are just DECORATIVE your so called felt was the standard back in the day but that membrane under is the most important for this installation (THAT IS YOUR WATER PROOFING ) "quit taking these peoples money" and get a garden hose start low pin point the leak and then pull up the bare minimum tile almost every time its a batten strip that fell in line with a plywood seam and the stupid part is they use stainless screws for the tiles but the battens were installed with standard 8's that just rust and leaves a hole ! you sell a good game but most of the work is very unnecessary.
I appreciate your comment bryon. We do 500 plus repairs a year. We offer a "No Leak" 100% refundable warranty which no one else does in roofing. I don't take anyone's money. Customers hire me for a negotiated rate. This tile is not installed on battens "unless the roof pitch is greater than 6 and 12 (6 inches of rise for every 12 inches of slope. Your "every time" theory is wrong almost "every time". Second we don't use stainless steel screws for the tile roofs in southern california. We use "hot dipped" galvanized nails. Stainless steel is a waste of money when hiring "most" roofers. What's the point of a lifetime fastener used to install a roof that probably will leak in the first 25 years?? FYI - If you have rusting screws that means they are not stainless steel.. The whole point of stainless steel is it does not rust. The standard screw and nail construction stainless steel are called the 300 series, or 18-8 (which means about 18% chromium and 8 % nickel). These are the ones that will not rust. All the work I perform when fixing roofs is 100% necessary for the area I a fixing to be the last area on the entire roof to ever leak again. If that is your goal then hire someone like me. FYI to anyone reading this far - if a "roofer" ever gets on your roof with a hose do not hire him! A good roofer can look at the design of the roof, the water flow and the roof itself and tell you exactly where the leak is coming from and where it is not coming from and what it will cost right there on the spot. Unless you have a particularly complicated roof design. If your roofer has a hose in his hand it is because he has no clue what the water is doing and he needs to see it with his own eyes. That's a classic example of lack of experience.
@@SouthCountyRoofing i
Raise and reset whole roof you think?
It depends on the amount of money you have laying around.
Let us know if you get the job, and if possible show the solution to the leak and such! Thank you for help.
I will. I need to bid it tomorrow and, I will follow up. Thank you for the reply!
West Coast Roofer Thank you, I enjoy seeing someone take the time for a quality job and doing correctly. Remember to always give JESUS your all! He died so we could live.
I do Jason, without the lord in my life I have nothing. Thank god, I will never have to worry about that :)
are you saying that if there were no invisible man in the sky you would have nothing? you wouldn't have the same skills as you have now? you sell yourself short. there are millions of people who know there is no invisible man in the sky and have just what you have. think about it.
freethinker52 I don’t understand why someone’s beliefs would trigger you to say something negative. You view on the matter wasn’t needed .
In Australia were I am from I would fix this with wakka flex under the valley and along the wall and a flashing over the roof penetration
Flex seal!
West Coast Roofer - Roofing and Roof Repair
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Stuff looks heavy duty
Those tiles are crap anyways just walking on them can crack the channels
Not really!
Who did the whitewash on all of the plumbing vents and flashings? Even that work looks sloppy as hell.
Probably some stoner clown Hope he is happy after screwing $ the home owner
Sounds like This Guy Knows The Roofing Job
I should by now.
Broken shingle is the leak below it !
I believe it was below. Although, the broken tile was letting additional water under the tile causing the felt membrane to get saturated and that wont help.
West Coast Roofer - Roofing and Roof Repair how does felt membrane get saturated? isn't that what it's for. prevention of water???
@@shandelebroyles1099 No. That's what the roof is for
Honestly, I think entire roof needs to be replaced! ..if not:
1_ remove entire roof
2_ replace some of the cemented shingle tiles
3_ replace the entire paper layer(s) underneath that roof tile
4_ replace entire dripping edges
5_ close that gap "empty space between gable and rafter creating a narrowed valley" ...if not, fix the leaking problem by adding gutters
What boots are those
I bought those from Duluth Trading about 15 years ago. They have been resoled 4 or 5 time and they are still going. If I had to guess what brand they used they third party sell I believe they are Thorogood Boots with the Moc Toe.
My mother has been scammed by a roofer twice
They say "we remove the tile and repaint it" or something similar
She has fallen for it twice and just found a contractor that says the same thing
She doesn't listen to me and is just going to have a leaky roof again
He have wavey roof tiles
Overkill fix the slip tile above valley...why rip out the whole valley
Because of a pretty large leak in the room below the valley,
Singles last 30 years without leaking, tiles last 10 years only. After 10 years, roof tiles will leak everywhere inside the house. No need roof tiles for the future
Shouldn't have the wall been step flashed instead of pan
Jonathan Chapman no idea what that means but sounds like a legitimate answer.
Lead valley, about 24" code 4 lead - everyones happy.
The epa doesn't like lead being used on our roofs. We do have "galvanized" 24" wide "W" valley that we use instead. About the same effect.
I did not know that. In the UK lead is still a very common building material (albeit slowly getting phased out for more modern compound alternatives). Only though, largely due to theft and reasonably high scrap values. We have on occasion used fibre glass valleys, although I can't pretend to be much of a fan as the rigity of the design does not allow for any natural movement the roof has taken.
Any particular reason why the EPA doesn't like lead?
It is toxic.
EPA is clearly a bit more anal than us here in the UK :P
That v valley something else any way
If a eagle landed on a tile it probably crack or chip
everytime you squat down and your voice gets high and squeeky i laugh.
it's the fat compressing his lungs
Hes a fat fuck. He has his workers do everything while his fat ass does nothing
@@rudystraight1750 Well, he is the boss.
you don't have to do any cooking to repair the tile you need to replace with a new tile
Cooking?
Looks like the step flashing is the problem.......because I don't see any
It's under the tile. It's referred to as tile pan.
Rong beby
This guy probably broke more tiles just from not knowing how to walk on this tile roof
Me? lol. I don't break tiles.
Investing in a house must be a nightmare. Wouldn't u much rather rent and have a landlord deal with all these expenses?
I'm biased of course, I'm a city dweller xD
most landlords d o the bare minimum to get by with repairs. i would rather do it right myself or pay someone to do it right..
Broockle and you live off the government too?
Broockle When we rent we are paying the mortguage for some one else.
John Wassink, I think it depends on where you live. In some places it is more expensive to rent than own. For instance: Kansas.. where I live.
maybe for the average joe know nothing... if you like to make a place your own then no..
Watching videos like this make me not want to own a house.
It can be pricey to fix this stuff.
It's easy to bad mouth an old roof job. All the seals and joints are cracked OLD ROOF. So you're going to patch instead of telling the owner for a piece of mind we need to lift the roof and see how much of the underlayer is damaged. They complain of leaks everywhere.
I'm not bad mouthing. The roof doesn't have any "seals" and not even close to every joint is cracked. Its a tile roof. Its under 25 years old. These roofs can and do go 50 years "if" properly maintained. You never lift every tile unless you plan to throw them away. Read the manufactures warranty. They do not want you lifting them unless to repair a leak in a "specific" area. And, the owner did not complain of "leaks" everywhere. They had one very easy to solve leak.
The dining room the bedroom drip noise in which you said you were not going to look into. And "if properly maintained" and it was not. lots of cracked/ chipped tiles. and of course, the manufacturer doesn't want you lifting the tiles up. just look at the condition there in under 25yrs
Note to self: avoid tile a tile roof.
If you can't find someone to properly install them then yes, avoid them : )
you're crazy bro I got 5 years in the service department for a roofing company you go up into the crawl space you find the leak you go outside you pull the tiles off change the battens and felt and you're good u lift up thay valley u will break more than u fix
No crawl space buddy. Plus, whatever you see in the attic is the "END" of the leak not the beginning. It was a standard pitch which means there aren't any battens under the tiles. I appreciate your passion for fixing roofs.
so you mean to tell me that you have no battens on that roof are those tiles nailed directly to the decking and that's not necessarily true unless every single room and space in the house has a vaulted ceiling there's always a crawl space. I can almost guarantee that leak was caused buy bad metal work or one of those pipe Jack's leaking if there's no battens then idk what state ur working in thats code in colorado
. and on a tile roof underlayment sheds 80% of the water so if you don't have battens once again the whole entire roof with leak at every single nail penetration
That's correct, no battens anywhere on this roof. The room with the water damage is vaulted ceiling as is the majority of the rooms in the house. I don't know where you are from but, here there is "not" always a crawl space. Leak was caused by worn out felt under the valley. I don't need to take the roof apart to know that. We are in CA. Keep fixing leaks and thanks for the good questions!
weird ya im in colorado ku vid tho
attic ,whatever dude! water flows downhill period it can travel on beams and shit but its fallows gravity
I think is a very heavy roof.
My thoughts as well, the house should be framed strong enough to take that extra weight
too much bs for my liking, did tiled roofs leak before underfelt was used.
That was quite a while ago I bet. I have worked on a few of those. Takes a great deal of skill.
see what I mean about the bs
Tile roofs over Skipped Sheeting DID leak. Thank you Monier Tile, I mean Monier/Lifetile, I mean Boral Industries................lol
obviously know nothing about roofing like this contractor
It's funny how they always criticize other companies work.
I kind of just rather stick with shingles than tile.
Tile is really good for your home "if" done correctly.
I’m gonna have to buy a drone because how are home owners going to be able to check our roof?? :(
Just hire someone.
Ha. By the time he’s done doing the inspection, your cost to repair equals a new roof.
It's usually about 10 to 15% the cost of a new one.