Hindustanis overview (AoE2)
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- Overview of the Hindustanis (previously: Indians) in Age of Empires 2.
1:15 Team bonus: camel and light cavalry +2 vs buildings
2:41 Villagers cost -10%/-15%/-20%/-25% HP
3:45 Camels attack 25% faster
4:55 Gunpowder units +1/+1 armor
5:33 Can build caravanserai
UNIQUE UNIT AND TECHS
7:05 The Ghulam
9:00 Imperial Camel Rider
10:30 Grand Trunk Road (+10% gold income)
11:14 Shatagni (+2 HC range)
TECH TREE
12:15 Archers B+
13:05 Infantry B
13:35 Cavalry A-
14:10 Siege B+
14:40 Navy C+
15:02 Monks B
15:31 Defenses B+
15:56 Trash B
16:15 Closing thoughts
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Game: Age of Empires II Definitive Edition
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Bro I'm so glad you brought back the intro such amazing memories
Did you know he composed the song himself? :P
I'm glad to think that Spirit has been doing videos for long enough that can bring back memories
He still uses them for longer videos. Iirc he just doesn't like putting it on short ones because it's like padding the runtime.
The Karambitcoin's value plummeting makes me crack up every time because the old HD version of the intro has it rising. It's a really good joke that most people will miss unless they go back and watch older videos.
@@RickJaeger he sait he doesn't use it everytime because it wouldnt be as special
Bit of a fun curiosity, but "light cavalry" in the team bonus description also includes Magyar Huszar, Steppe Lancer and Shrivamsha Rider. Which means they also benefit from the extra damage against buildings
I expected the Magyar Huszar, but the other two are a surprise. What about the Tarkan?
@@maxmichalik4938 just checked wiki. Hindustani bonus doesn't seem to affect Tarkans
@@ariaangela3455 a pity, they should surely fall into the category of light cavalry.
@@guilhermebraga9773 While the wiki addresses Scout and Knight as Light and Heavy Cavalries respectively, Tarkan is addressed as just Cavalry
@@guilhermebraga9773 I think tarkans are more heavy cavalry.
Light cavalry usually cost low, mediocre hp and move fast.
Tarkans cost around the same as a knight, has good hp and has roughly the same speed as that of the knight. It's weak as hell in melee though of course.
Haven’t played the game in 6 years but always a treat when watching your civ overview videos!
Yeah same, I don't play very often, but I like watching these videos.
Just play dude
Havent played the game in 15 years, i literally could not understand english at that time, and yet, i really like watching these videos.
@@darthjump this is a very limited view.
Same here 😉
4:57 I think the strongest use case of this bonnus is with bombard cannons in trash wars, sniping them with skirmishers is pretty common and they deal 2 dmg to generic BBC but hindustani's only recieve 1 dmg each skirmisher hit
Spirit since you did a top 5 trebuchet civs could it be possible if you did the same with bombard cannons, since there are some civs that have specific bonuses for them (Bohemians, Portuguese, Spanish, Turks, Burgundians...)?
Also, Hindustanis best civ.
ah the old spanish machine gun
Spanish Cannons are sad
Amazing video as always! I love how the Hindustanis were designed, finally a civ that is played very differently to the rest :0
I think their still a bit overturned but much like Gurjaras I love the idea. Their definently a fair bit more interesting then the Indian umbrella civ was.
This is what they meant when they said "India will be a super power by 2022"
Hahaha
wasn't it 2020??
@@martiananomaly were just postponing it due to covid and now due to russian ukraine war. Lmao
Lmao Good one.
Did you dealt with your depression?
Topic suggestion: Efficiency in Dark Age. How important is it REALLY to have the boar directly under the TC instead of 1 tile away? How important is the second lumber camp when you have 7-10 on wood? How important is the one sheep that you accidentally slaughtered?
A lot. Smoothens up everything for minimal commitment from the player.
I guess at low levels it really doesn't matter because everyone idles 2 minutes in dark age already but I've had many, many matches where these few efficiency things ended up mattering (Lacking the wood for a stable, idle because the boar was killed too far and force dropping took way longer, etc.)
Example to answer your questions:
The second lumbercamp pays itself extremely quickly and unless the map doesn't allow a good 2nd lumbercamp/your build is EXTREMELY tight it really should be built. 7/10 lumberjacks on a simgle woodline means it will get chopped out very soon.
A boar not directly under TC means that if you have to force drop some vils will have to walk a lot more to return working, which can worsen the next force drop (This can potentially cause idle time). If they are all under TC you use everyone and is fine.
Extra slaughtered sheeps are the least impactful, but is still lost food for no reason. Just shift queue your vils, takes an instant
I dont play Hindustanis but I love fighting them, for they are one of the few civs that actually break the meta and bring something different on the table to fight with.
By default I assume people that complain about Hindustanis are either Frank pickers or archer civ pickers.
Which is a good thing, for the very first time they have to pour a lot of work on their game.
Meta slaves when they face something that isn't telegraphed and used everytime
:Op reeew
Pretty much. Loved the Indians, love the Hindustanis even more. Knight rushers can seethe.
Knights are too good, so it's hilarious when a civ comes along that puts them in their place.
Infantry plus siege play does put them in place in general vs hindustani and gujaras in general. Had a guy who went shrivamsa riders and Bulgarian infantry and siege throughout castle and imperial
I mean they have UU (unique unit) counter Knight and archer, and your options against them are infantry. And they are really good at fighting generic camels as well. Infantry and siege are quite useless because Hind can just make scorpions or hand cannoneer. Also, in order for infantry and siege to be effective you have to be at least mid or late castle to have mass. While Hind gets their best UU right out of the castle age and snipping your Vills. In a team game, they have flank archer civ counter enemy infantry. I think the biggest problem is Hind camel is too strong against the generic camel. Most of the aoe2 UU (unique unit) if they are really good at something, they usually come with a cost. And for Hind, they don't have a cost and their camel gets a better piece armor against archers. That is why they are so overpowered. They will get nerf somehow. FYI, infantry is the most useless unit in the early to mid-game.
Drop an F in the chat, he didn't say "I lick toes at night" when thanking his patrons
Imperial camel: "Have you heard of the Knight Line? They are a powerful unit used by players to fight using cavalry. You, however, are knightless. I can play the role of Knight, so long as you promise not to use me against archers."
camels are actually magnetic, they attract arrowheads. subtle addition made by the devs lmaooooooo
You absolute madman
That is what the ghulams are for, to take arrows for us royal camel riders who are clearly too good for these arrows
Imperial Camels upgrade completes:
"I have given thee courtesy enough"
@@SIGNOR-G "I can feel it in my bones... a Camel... cannot become a Knight... not even you..."
water being a weak point for Hindustanis is actually accurate, I think. And thanks to Grand Trunk road, trade is still good, which also feels like historical accuracy. Someone designed these quite well
@sae The Hindustanis do not represent any of the naval powers. Cholas are represented by Dravidians, and Bengalis the... well, Bengalis. Both are good water civs.
@saewha Hinudstanis were invader dynasties in South Asia. Current Pakistan and North India is what Hindustanis represents.
@@ijazkhan3335 not really. hindustanis refers to native north indian hindus who fought the islamist invaders. You are certainly no hindustani. "pakistan" has nothing to do with hindustanis.
I wonder what stats SotL is using. Hindustanis are #1 in winrates at 1200+ elo on open maps, not #3 (according to aoepulse, yet to find more up-to-date stats).
They always make the DLC civs overpowered at first. It sells more DLC. Then they nerf it later after the majority of sales have occurred. It's plain to see.
And yes i realize Indians were already in the game. But they were overhauled in line with the DLC to be sold.
also note that you can heal batteriing ram elephants with monks rather than repairing them
Interesting, is this advantage or disadvantage. Monks are cost more but they dont have to come close for healing
@@AtticusKarpenter also, assuming u have the monk, it doesn't have a repair cost.
Its been over 20 years since I last played an AoE game, yet I keep watching your videos just because I like your voice and narration. Keep it up !
The key to their success is that they hard-counter the most meta units in the game: Cavalry and Archers.
Infantry at large are fairly under-tuned and don't really perform that well outside of the specialists; being far too vulnerable to archers, and too slow to adequately handle cavalry in open field or defensive capacities. Finally, they're too vulnerable to Mangonels and Siege without some special du jour propping up their cost efficiency.
Therein lies the problem: Infantry should, in theory, run right through the Hindustanis, but in reality, the high speed of the Ghulam and Camel lines enable them to easily dictate the terms of engagement, and there's nothing stopping the HIndustanis from building Mangonels, Scorpions or massed archers/hand cannoneers of their own.
You're basically forced to respond to what the Hindustanis are doing instead of the other way around, unless you're playing a strong infantry civ and successfully raid them in Feudal and early Castle Age. Even then, they aren't defenseless; they're still capable of counter-raiding due to the sheer speed and offensive capability of their Camels.
The Hindustanis are like the Incas, they have units that can counter with each unit, anti-archery ghulam, anti-cavalry camel and anti-infantry hand cannons, a bit of everything although that, it lacks several things for some civilizations that specialize in infantry with a good archery
Can you do Bengalis next? Also can you make a video comparing all elephants? 🙇♀🙇♀ Thank you sensei!
I made a mod for Hindustani that takes away.. Hussar, Light Cavalry, Champion, Ring Archer Armor and Redemption
And in return I gave them.. Steppe and Elite Steppe lancers, Parthian Tactics, Bombard Towers and Architecture
While also changing Ghulam into a tank. 85 HP with hidden bonus armor vs infantry and special units (they hold the line vs nearly any opponent in melee for a considerable amount of time, but they dont really have a high damage output without utilizing their pierce mechanic)
This basically turns the Ghulam into a "total war" type unit, being one of those iconic "anvil infantry" that can take a lot of hits in situations that players normally dont expect, giving you time to use your camels and new lancers/parthian horse archers to "hammer" with.
The lack of hussar and light cavalry is a nerf, but also advocating for historical accuracy, while the inclusion of steppe lancer is to push the gold reliance on the Hindu player into a more dynamic relationship between horse archers and parthian tactics in relation to the LACK of ring archer armor for skirmishers and crossbows.
I essentially turned them from a reliable steam roller civ into one that has very heavy gold reliance on units with equal counter power that NEED to back each other up. I had a lot of fun playing with it. I felt challenged by situations that i normally would have blinked through before, and the Ghulam felt like such an interesting unit and a breath of fresh air, it was really awesome watching them hold the line vs champions and unique units for 20+ seconds while my camel reinforcements charged up from the side just in time from the stables.
Idk if any of this is balanced or not. But it is really fun to ply with, if i cant toot my own horn.
Lol love that you are tooting your own horn. It does sound like a fun mod civ to play.
@@ark_knight Modding for AoE 2 is extremely easy, in context to many other RTS games modding tools. And i've heard a lot of people feel very dissatisfied with the current power house state of Hindustani. I honestly just wanted to share my findings in making the Civ more challenging to play as while still being rewarding and having a truly UNIQUE unit.
Maybe other people will pick up the tools and try it themselves.
@@darkranger116 Interesting. Might try modding myself if I ever get time haha
To me, the single biggest takeaway from this video is that Spirit of the Law needs a new ranking category for synergies. For a top performing civ not to get even an A minus on any of his usual categories just feels weird. I think he did a great job explaining how their abilities synergize to make them so good overall, and I suspect that if he did have a synergy category the Hindustani's performance would be much more obvious.
I think you should add 1 more segment to your civ reviews. Where you point out civs unbalanced state in some popular game mods. Like you say this civ is potencialy good in forest nothing, all tech mod, diplo-regicide, deathmatch...
I wasnt playing aoe2 till i watch one of your first civ review. Then i started playing aoe2 after all those years. And kept watching you.
i think my favorite part about the Hindu's unique unit is that their speed is matched nicely with a nice running animation. most units you see that are fast tend to "walk" their sprint, while the units that actually have a nice animation of sprinting makes this game look so much better for a "rush down" unit.
Whenever Sotl uploads a video its a good day
In that dark age, it also can mean one less load to carry to get the villager to prevent down time with the discount.
Am i the only one who thinks that IMPERIAL CAMEL should be a common upgrade that industanis get discounted?
Like imperial skirmishers.
Ghulam bonus against eagles is nonsense. That really needs to be removed. How can it have a bonus against Archers and Eagles, just broken. Single unit counter to 3 entire civs
Back when they were known as the Indians(I abused the heck out of the shore fishing bonus), they were always my go to but now I like them even more.
The main advantage of the +1/+1 for gunpowder units is that BBCs only take 1 damage from elite skirms instead of the usual 2, so its a huge boost for survivability in late-game trash wars
Spirit of the law grading:
"Its absolutely the worst civilization possible on the water so must give it the worst rating, a C+."
Civ with the best glow-up in my opinion
Im always looking forward to the civ overview videos. Today is a good day indeed. Thank you SotL!
Hi Spirit, Great Video!
I have a thought for a video idea that might be interesting around how AI names are assigned in games. My brother and I play a lot of single player, and have noted that we recognise some names for certain colours, for example Nagy Lajos (Magyars) always appears to be Grey. I was wondering if there was any connection between Civs, colours and player names. To test this, we set up two games with the same civs and colours and noted that they had the same player names. However, on subsequent attempts we are not always getting the same results, particularly when we have games of all the same civ. Are you aware of any connection between player names, civs and colours that might exist? Or even how many names there are per civ?
Paladin also gives +1 pierce armor, which is a substantial improvement over Cavalier.
9:30 u forgot the secret attack speed increase 2->1.6
the wiki already factors in the hindustanis attack speed bonus for imperial camel riders in the stats. They have the same attack speed as other hindustanis camels.
I don't get it how someone can have problems with infantry civs. The hand cannoneers destroy everything!
But you guys know that some civ MUST be at the top tier, right? When making a ranking there necessary is a first, second and third one. That doesn't mean you need to change the civ automatically..
Baby wake TF up, SOTL just uploaded.
On the topic of splitting civs, I think a prime candidate will be splitting the "Slavs" into the Rus', representing Novgorod and Muscovy, and Ruthenians, mainly representing Galicia-Volhiniya. Both get a unique replacement for the champion, the Varangian Guard. Rus' will keep Slavs' bonuses and/or adjust them, and Ruthenians will be an entirely new civ.
Campaigns for each would be Alexander Nevsky, and Danylo the Great.
the rus should be representing kiev first. since that is where the name comes from
@@alexmuller6752 The rus of kiev (kievan rus) one just one of many simultaneous rus
So... if you garrison a ghulam... do they give the same barrack unit type bonus to a ram? Can you put them in rams?
EDIT:
AWWWWW!!!! NAW!!! Hindustanis can't even make rams!!
-_-" nevermind
more of arab and Muslim touch in music and buildings
It is honestly frustrating to play against Hindustanis. They can counter everything so easily making many civs without versitility unviable against them.
Not even just one trick civs. Portuguese, which has the gold bonus for all units and fully upgraded Arbalest, Cavalier, Champion, and top tier Hand Cannoneers struggle against them, even in late game. There's no unit you can go for against them that's remotely viable.
Don't know if this was addressed before, but does the gold unoque tech stack with h the Aztec team bonus with regards to relics?
Sir so glad to that u bring this vedio fan from India and specially wating for Dravidians 😂 as i am Dravidian too love @spiritoflaw
3:33 Accidentally referred to Hindustanis by their old name! Years of conditioning wins again.
Hindustani should be call = Delhi
Why no scooter guy bringing pizza for Italians
It is surprising that Hindustani are jack of all stats (completely balanced/all B) civ, but are one of the top tier civ in the game's ranked ladder. Props to them!
The spinning villager in the intro is my all time favourite. Keep her forever, and I'll be here for it.
The rest of the intro is dope, too. But you could change it, and as long as she's there, i might not even notice. 🤣
Could you do Gurjaras next?
Love still getting civ overviews in 2022
YES THE INTRO IS BACK YES YES YES
"They have solid trash units." is a sentence that only makes sense in AoE
I wish people wouldn't call them trash units. It's so degrading.
Hindustani + Italians + Spanish.
The best trade team. Unlimited gunpowder.
Being an exclusively anti-meta player, no doubt they are my favourite civ.
Hinustanis and the Ghulam are disgustingly overpowered, still
Imagine having such a civ advantage vs Hindustanis that you can win by going HCA+Hussar+Siege Ram
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What're they going to do, tech into camels vs Celts? Absurd.
I'll always love you.. You were my world and passion.. I'll die alone if not with out you.. When I dream I'm always with you.. I'll be here waiting for ever always and no matter what 😢 I'll just sleep my life away to feel like I'm with you.. I'm sorry.. kill me plz..
So I never will play anything but AOC, no new equipment or internet, but I gotta ask how my Spanish gigachads would fair against these henddanstini's ppls
Wait, bonus damage ignores armour? Is that true?
Always has been!
They have a great campaign aswell 🤷♂️
0:16 common misconception related to this. Columbus knew he wasn't in india, which I believe George Carlin cited a historian in a speech where either was called Indianapolis or hinduopolis. There's a lot of myths that just won't die around the naming scheme.
"Almost a minute faster"??????... 2:47-1:40=1:07. More than a minute my guy ➕➖➗⚔️. (No offense luv u)
Me as someone from europe I get confused with 10 different indian civilisations.
I still think the Hindustanis are to good honestly. I have long been an advocate that the Byzantines need a buff. The Hindustanis are what people fear the Byzantines becoming. A civ with a lot of options and all those options are really good. The Byzantines have a lot of options but all their options are bad. The Hindustanis on the other hand have a lot of options but most if not all their options are good. Also unlike the Byzantines the Hindustanis have an eco bonus.
Finally my Favourite Indian Civ
I love Camels
Camels = best boats
I love what they did with the Indians, it's the first time they took one of those huge orerarching civs and made it something more sensible.
It would make sense to change Slavs to Russia.
They could also reorganize the Iberian civs, changing Spain to Castille, and adding Aragon.
Ohh YESSSSSSS
The most OP civ lol
No one:
SotL: "Hindustonis"
But how does it effect trade cogs though?
the most infantry Civs AKA Goths are not even in the TOP 10 worst matchup.. Weird...
Hey man, I've been out of AoE2 for many many years now, yet everytime i see your vids, there is a lot new... Could You make a comparison betweek AoE original and AoE 2 in 2022?
Lol look at this fandom dissing a civ because it destroys the current meta of xbows and knights. Hindusthanis, the truly most versatile unorthodox anti-meta civ in existence.
Only wondering how high is Hindustanis winrate vs Mayans. From what I saw in RBWL, Mayans don't stand a chance. All games there between the two were one sided slaughters. The moment the Ghulans were out, it was game over, man, game over.
And that's a good thing.
To hell with Mayans and all archer civs.
Once the Hindustani player gets one castle, the game ends. Ghulam defeats any chance you had to counter their Camels. They should change the unique unit or severely nerf it.
Problem for Mayans specifically is that Ghulan gets an attack bonus against their go to units: archers and eagles. Their only third option is monks, that's trusting to RNGesus. And Hindustanis have good light cav to deal with monks. Most other archers civs get good infantry, like Britons and Ethiopians so they have options to deal with Ghulans and Camels in castle age. Problem is in Imp with Hindustanis Hand Cannons.
Can we get a top 10 turtle civs? And maybe even top 10 ally turtle civs? :)
India literally has only one desert and North/Central India were mostly reliant on horses and infantry. Not sure why so much stress on camels!
It'll always be weird to me that they gave the hindustanis the armored elephant new regional unit but took away the elephant archer which they were the only ones who had it for years seems kinda sad
1:18-Team Bonus +2 Light Cavalry and Camels vs Building
2:56-Villager bonus
3:20-Camels Attack 25% faster
4:40-Gun Powder +1/+1
5:35-Carvenserai
7:10-Ghulam
9:05-Imperial Camel
10:30-Grand Trunk Road
11:10-Shatangi
Yayy, Intro is back!
Off Topic, but there should be an official Tutorial for Things like how Triggers work (at least the most used ones), i know they work after Condition-Effect and i teached me several ones, but some can be very complex.
And it should be especially explained how to upload Custom made Scenarios to Multiplayer, how to change Campaign-Backgrounds, how to add Text Messages before and after Missions etc.
You have to look for all this Things one by one by your own.
I made several Custom Campaigns with quite a lot of single Missions.
Hindustani's unique unit is called the 'ghulam' or slave in Persian literally meaning slaves, who were usually taken by force from non-muslim read(Hindu) communities from an early age forced to convert to Islam and led a miserable life in service of the very people who enslaved them much like the jannisaris in the west, why glorify such evil?
Viking Berserkers got high on shrooms before battle so they could keep killing despite getting heavily wounded. Samurai were despot aristocrats who killed peasants for fun. Aztec priests/monks sacrificed tens of thousands of people a year in horrific ways to their gods. Why do any of this? Why pick the Ghulam as something to pick out as special, especially when the Mongol campaign involves several genocides? You either accept it all as historical awfulness adapted for entertainment, or you don’t accept any of it.
I’m Scottish. I still played the Edward Longshanks campaign, The Hammer of the Scots. Engaging with history isn’t approving of it, or condoning the evil.
Sotl: Don't worry, Hindustanis have a great counter to crossbows!
Me: Ok. What is it?
Sotl: Shows cannon galleon on the next screen
Me: Not what I was expecting, but ok!
The "previous overview" link in the description seems to point to a Byzantium video from 7 years ago btw, that's probably not right...
I absolutely love seeing the way you analyze things.
spirits rating system makes no sense. I know its subjective but dam
" while they dont have top archer upgrades" still B+
" while they dont have any defense late game up grades" still B+
"...so let's check them out. [pause]"
Me: DO WE GET THE INTRO????
[intro queues]
Me: ahhh yesssssssss
It's impressive how a civ without knights can be that powerful. American civs heave eagle warrior which is probably the best unit overall in the game. What I've done recently that really helped me was scouts into CA, or archers into skirms + camels. Works every time. Also the hand cannoneers is the surprise factor that finishes the game, make sure you make your opponent to mass halbs and them shred them all and push with hussars.
every time SotL reads his patrons at the end, I always have to think of Olaf from Frozen 2: 'Samantha? *chuckles* I don't even know a Samantha'
Can you do a video on how these updates impact the original AoE campaigns? Cheers
Next video: who has the best trade? Berber water trade? Spanish water? Hindustani etc. I know you've touched on water v land trade in the past, but I'd be keen for a refresher video with the new civs included and maybe some info on if for example dry dock increases gather rate
On a different topic, i would like a japanese and a cinese expansion, giving different dinasties an reigns for cina (like Qin and Cio) and different shogunate for japan (inspiration taken from Total War games, ex: Nobunaga faction and campain).
This Civs a beast
When I started playing Hindustanis they became my new favorite, I would never thought I could switch from the Spanish.
i liked them better before. ghulam is a bad designed unit in my opinion.
I have a good feeling that a lot of those match ups versus infantry civs are probably ending during castle age, when the Hindustani's don't really have a good answer to infantry.
Kinda funny how a cart drawn by human is faster than a cart drawn by horse 😂
I can’t believe that upon seeing the video on my feed I made the most absolute soyface, I guess that’s just how much I love this game and channel
Poo in it
Finally!!! another civ overview!!
I want Indians civilization with Hindustanis civilization to appear together again in Aoe 2 Definitive Edition series.
im a noob and got a spontaneous question...the horse riding bowman...are they archers or cavallry? or both?
Effectively considered archers so halbs are a great counter