Do you need to rebase your Warhammer Fantasy models?
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Matthew and the guys discuss the merits of rebasing vs using converter movement trays to bring your old Warhammer Fantasy models and Age of Sigmar models up to the standards of the new Old World requirements.
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A Idea, what about models stand on square bases and u put them in round bases. At least fo cavarly.
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I like the round bases, and i like using movement trays with them if i'm running a ton of troops like Gloomspite.
Dont rebase, just get movement trays that accommodate round bases.
THIS, 100%
I don’t do round bases, but im definitely rebasing my armies from the Forces of Fantasy and Ravening Hordes books. The others will stay on original bases.
For the longest time that was my attitude and still is to a degree. I was really happy with my round bases and didn't want to change them. Then I discovered fillers, and they just seemed way too cool not to go for. I really enjoy digging through my spare parts a building stupid stuff with them, and changing my bases gives me a great opportunity to actually utilize it.
My question is about about bigger Calvary or monsters on 130mm rounds?
Exactly.
I have even seen guys make movement trays which are designed for both circular and square bases on the same tray.
Woah, these prices are great on these converters. I have two Bretonnian halves of the 5e starter set. I was going to buy new bases, but this is so much cheaper to just use the bases I have and get the converters. Great!
But the round base for Chaos Warriors in AoS is 32mm, not 30... That's a whole cm difference in a five man line.
Yeah I'm just going to invest in movement trays, that way I can play Old World and 6th...or anything else that has the old bases for that matter
There is no Fing way I'm going to re-base 1000s of figures... I have units from the 80s and early 90s. How the hell are we supposed cut off 100s of slotted based figures? I seen no reason why GW changed the base sizes other than to make money off people who already have standing armies.
I rally like the 20mm -> 25mm movement trays
Considering using my Kings of War army for playing the old world as there is a large overlap in models between KoW and oldworld for some armies
Do you NEED to? Only if you hardcore into tournaments and want to be able to play in ANY tournament. Other than that it is optional really.
P.S.: Going from 20mm to 25mm bases increases area by over 50%, not 20%.
Of course you can do whatever you like with your friends, but the blast template thing was a really good point. No one likes a big increase in lethality!
As a Gitz player, I can't properly express how grateful I am that you guys have 25mm round to square rank'n'flank movement trays. When Old World was announced, I took one look at my Stabbas and Shootas and shivered.
With the cavalry bases could you stick them on rectangle bases and make so you can slot them into oval bases so you can use for both
I'm considering starting Warriors of Chaos for Old World, but I'm uncertain if they're gonna be the new or old models. The news I can just buy an AoS box and a conversion tray from you guys, if necessary, is like mana from heaven.
But what about armys like orcs? Black orcs from AoS are on 32mm but in ToW they use 30x30mm.
This army seems like not convertable. You just have to rebase.
I mean... it is physically possible to place 32 round on 30x30 square but you have to make some angles and result is a bit weird.
Brought your pack of movement trays the other day. Fantastic files. Print fantastically
Thanks so much!
Not rebasing at all. GW covered this, at their tournaments will need adjusted movement trays or rebased. Playing at home, don’t need to rebase.
But isn't an issue with round bases for chaos that they are on 32mm? I mean if its smaller you use those modular trays,great! But being bigger, since most stuff thats on 32 mm is 30 in old world, doesn't cause a problem?
30 to 32 is negligible. Only 1.066 times bigger.
I doubt that anyone worth playing with would care.
I was just looking up converter movement trays last night, thank you!
One thing that would be a great addition to the conversion trays already on offer would be converters for oval cavalry bases. It's a weird shape, but the new Saurus raptors and any AoS cav models that have been released since the start of that game would work in ranks *much* better with some of those...
Oh thank god, I was looking for a legit movement tray shop for exactly old world. Thank you!
I'll stay on 20mm bases for the army I'm currently building and all future armies, but the most modern models I'll ever own are 20 year old or older sculpts as I vastly prefer hand-sculpted models to new ones, even better if they are in metal, from the golden age of GW. I'll play 6th, 5th, 4th and 3rd ed with my armies too. The obvious answer is to either not care about the size difference as it gives both pros and cons or I'll use converter trays but for those I'll need to find a solution that both looks great and is easy enough to remove models from. I'm working on Tomb Kings, Vampire Counts and Undead armies so plenty of fragile skeletons which I don't want to have to pull hard from the tray as you have to do it by pulling from the model. Probably has to be some magnetic tray for that... I'll see, will take me still a couple more years to finish my first army to a level I'm happy with so I imagine things will have settled by then!
or just play the best edition - 6th Ed. :)
@@ja37d-34 It's the best one yes, although this new edition has a lot going for it as well. I like variety and I'm building armies using miniatures only from a specific period so playing the edition the models are from is especiallh fun.
How will you approach the AoS cavalry bases?
Like, for the AoS Chaos Knights can their oval bases fit on the trays or are they too wide?
We’re working on a solution for that. It will involve having them at different heights.
@@miniwargamingmake rectangular bases that fit in larger oval trays. Doesn’t help models that are already based, but it helps people who want to base new models for both games.
Not me though. No round (or oval) bases for me!
Long story, short; use movement trays, there are more then enough options out there to get them correctly sized for gameplay. Rebasing is not needed.
My issue is that the AoS round bases for Saurus Warriors are 32mm now, but 30mm according to the Warhammer community article. There is only so much luck one can have with ripping them from the bases again without leaving a claw behind. How am I supposed to fit 32mm bases into a movement tray that requires 30mm bases? I think my sharp blade is gonna do some cutting again.
Are you doing some sort of event at warhammer world? I live in Nottingham would love to come down if you guys are there.
I use movement tray converts to play Oathmark with the same models, so will continue to do that, and I can still play old editions without issues.
Ordered some of your Lance trays and a couple of others, and saw they shipped this morning!
Can the conversion rank and flank movement trays feature magnet holes?
Rebasing is a waste of time and risk of damaging the beautiful bases many already have. GW said even in tournaments as long as you use a base converter you are covered for tournament play.
I aint rebasing nothing. If my opponent thinks thats using classic base sizes is a deal breaker I wont regret not playing either. They should have gone the same way as old Epic 40k did, giving you minimum/maximum base sizes i.m.o. 6th still rocks anyway 🫡 Hope the games rocks at least as much 🤞
I agree that 6th edition WHF was the best of the bunch. I’m not rebasing my old armies, but I will use conversion trays.
is the chaos warrior 30mm tray really the right size? the round bases are 32mm after all
Yeah they are but it's a negligible difference. In the beginning of Mountain miniatures next to latest video (empire vs WoC learning video) they compare the two
@@Yurt_enthusiast7 ah nice to see, thanks for the video recommendation
Will you be making Converters for Square and Rectangular to Round and Oval bases? Taking 25x50mm rectangular bases and converting them to 30x60mm oval bases. Taking 30x60mm rectangular bases and converting to 75x42mm oval bases. I’d like to build a Soulblight/vampire counts army and use them in both AoS and TOW.
Can't you just design a group base that fits the old model bases but spaces them so they have the same unit number and foot print as the new.
Are there any way to fit holes for magnets in those trays?
Thanks for the showcase guys! I just ordered an embarrassing number of these conversion trays. Please could you also print the 25 round into 25 square in 2x5s? Also ranks of 7, please? Many thanks!
A quick question: and are those Chaos Warriors (with the Aos bases) following the rules of the TOW base size, even in the squared movement tray?
I think not, everyone is talking about how 20 easily converts to 25, and how 25 round fits into movement trays which have round slots for stuff thats supposed to be 25mm square but those chaos models are on 32mm and in TOW are supposed to be on 30mm. Or am I seeing something wrong?
No, they are not. AoS Chaos Warriors are on 32mm bases, while ToW Chaos Warriors are on 30mm bases.
Aren't AoS chaos warriors on 32mm round bases and WtOW chaos warriors are listed 30x30?
Indeed.
I just ordered a bunch of converter bases. I didn't see any oval bases converters though. Also what about large model converters?
We’re working on adding more sizes. You’ll be notified by email when we add them.
And thanks for your support!
My answer is nope and they can’t make me. I’m not playing in tournaments and won’t just spend hundreds on it for a system that could be done in a year or two.
The chaos warrios on 32mm on base converters line up the same as chaos warrios on 30mm squares ?
What size are the new bases vs the old bases? Will I be able to fit the models on 25mm bases for other games systems and then use your movement trays?
guys, why don't you have single base Converters? What if you want to change formation mid game? Single base converters please!
Working out it. :)
I would also suggest making individual base upgrades, such as 20 to 25 mm, 25 to 30 mm, 25x50 to 30x60, and so on. I have many old models that I would love to upgrade this way.
What would you do for single large models, like the steam tank? I play 9th age a lot and want to try the old world, so adapter movement trays will be the perfect solution, but if i'm not mistaken, steam tanks bases are slightly larger now but not longer, so it's a bit awkward
For single models it’s not as hard to just leave them as is and figure out the frontage based off of the new sizes.
Could you put magnets in the wheels and corresponding ones in the two different base types? So you swap the model off the base depending on the game
just put a magnet on the bottom of your current base, buy a new base and stick a magnetic sheet on top. Sorted.
Honestly there are a ton of mdf movement trays on eBay to convert most round or 20mm square to the 25mm.
That's very helpful because I'm not rebasing all my 8th edition Fantasy Armies. Do you have a spaced-out Bret lance knight movement tray? I love that they brought back Bret lances for my lady's knights.
Warbases (uk company) are my go to for mdf bases and movement trays. They will do custom trays - send an email with specs and they'll send you a price.
Are there fantasy hex tiles? I had a look before and alot were more 40k esq in appearance.
Do the templates count as hit on bases or models ? Because it if count as hit on bases, you need to add something, like a rim, to show where the new bases would stop on the converting trays.
I mean, it’s very easy to eyeball, especially when the minimum base size is 1” (25mm), and templates are 3” and 5”.
Rebasing just feels like a waste of time. Spacer trays sounds like the best option.
Would probably get classic sized bases if I get any new models from gw too.
Any solution for armies like the Beasts, where Gors went from 32mm to 25x25?
Gors would be on the 30x30mm bases I think.
@@concernedearthling3353bestigors are 30x30s
Gors and ungors are 25x25
@@concernedearthling3353Gors are 25mm square in ToW and 32mm round in AoS.
I have no fantasy models at all only 40k but Im tempted to use aos chaos models rather than wait for the old kits to come back but wont the movement trays be too wide as there 32mm bases and should be 30mm, am i better just buying 30mm bases for when i build them then a correct size movement tray?...or am i just overthing all this?! 😅😅😅
I think if you actually rebase your models you're crazy, but some people have nothing but time.
Hahaha. I hear you. These guys do this as a day job, though, so spending hours rebasing stuff is just a 9-5.
I can't imagine anything more banal than wasting my precious hobby time undoing work I've already done, all for some marginal impact on the game.
Agreed. With new wargame projects/ armies always on the horizon, it's just a waste of time. Occasionally I refresh with new movement trays, which have got much better over the years.
Will be ordering from you guys.
So your mini wargaming forge has 5 wide, 6 wide, and 8 wide movement tray converters... ...what about 7 wide? I have 35 eternal guard that I at least want to display as 7x5 in hopes of one day playing a really big game... (specifically I was looking at 25mm round to square)
We are adding those this week. :)
do the trays have space underneath to magnetize them?
Yes. And magnet holes too.
Kinda suspect GW's chief motivation for the change was so people would lock themselves out of playing alternative rulesets
Excellent observation.
The only vaguely noteworthy alternative ruleset this breaks is Kings of War, and Mantic have almost a decade long tradition of clumsily aping everything GW does so I am 100% certain they will change their basing system accordingly in their next edition. Other modern fantasy wargames are already using 25mm as baseline for humanoids (Saga, Oathmark) or are completely base-agnostic (Warlords of Erewhon) or use completely proprietary models and basing that makes porting over other miniatures virtually impossible (Conquest and whatever Privateer Press is doing these days).
But you can still play other rulesets just fine, or am i missing something? For once i actually don't believe this was a completely cynical move by GW. The old bases where just too small for most minis, and this was the chance to fix it.
@@superork26 I agree, very few people are rebasing, and just getting spacer trays instead, and as a wood elf player, glade guard are impossible to rank up on 20s, thank god for the size increase
@@toferkrz946 KoW does not really care about the model base size at all. It is all about the footprint of the unit.
They don't even give you individual bases for the introductory Ambush boxes. All hail the multi-base.
Saga does not really care about base sizes either. Bring the figures on 20mm or whatever. Just don't be a prick.
Continue to love MiniiWarGaming "Cutroat Capitalist" Matt ;)
I'm not interested in Fantasy myself, but man it is SUCH a strange and confusing decision to change the base sizes...
It's the worst of both worlds imo. If you have your old Fantasy models to bring back out, they're on the wrong size. If you have the models for AoS and put them on round bases, still wrong type.
that is my battle, i love the change, but I dont want the work
ye rebasing with converters looks nice and new... but you loss flexibility and you will most of the time play with the base converters you select (or buy all possibilities) and that is sad
and rebasing without converters...looks pain (and more for the ones that have supports like my chilvary or my metal figs)
there are some 1x1 converters out there,,, that might be the solution ...but atm they sell them 1 by 1 just for heroes and buy 200 is not cheap
Will you do any oval cav base tray converter?
I don't see STLS for the converters on MMF yet, are they coming too?
I just added them. It usually takes a day to get approved.
Is there a place we can see for sure what new sizes we'll need? I have a lot of old High Elves I need to rebase, and would like to start working on that before the 20th when it launches so I could theoretically play a game on launch day. Like, sure, I've seen the list of what the new base sizes are, but is there a "Lothern Sea Guard are 30x30, Archers are 25x25" anywhere? (I know there will be in the rulebook, but since that's not out yet, doesn't help for preparing in advance).
my understanding is that all elf infantry will all move to 25mm x 25mm, and Elf cavalry will be moving to 30mm x 60mm. don't know the chariot and monster/monstrous cav bases offhand, but yes they are larger than prior editions from what I've gathered.
They posted it on the official old world Facebook page
I believe chariots stay the same.
There are lists from GW on facebook, and they have been posted elsewhere as well, such as reddit. Might even be on warcom, im not sure
Book of grudges has a 20 min ish video about this if you prefer that
can i use aos bases but in new square trays? (New to fantasy)
Note to self watch the rest of the video first haha
lol that works too! ;)
Yes you can, but depending on the armies and units you may run into a situation where the AoS base is larger than what is supposed to be the ToW base.
Dammit now i have a vampire courts army thanks to you lads. Gosh darnit guess now i have 2 fantasy armys...
Even though I'm not really interested in Rank and File games I would give The Old World a shot if I didn't have to rebase my AoS armies.
im just making my own trays out of foam, but im not rebasing my chosen from 40s to 30s lol.
Might order your base converters to make my lord of the rings miniatures into an old world army
With the 25mm circle base converters and the 50mm circle base converters that covers most trolls horses and infantry
Man i was going to put my BoC on round then use converter but something about square bases are sexy. Prob because i been playing so much conquest
I want to play 3rd and 6th and maybe even some other editions so just using trays.
Wow how are you resin printing those bases without warpage?
The larger ones have supports throughout to keep them from warping. It took some trial and error but James nailed it!
I bought from you guys direct and had to fight with Google to let me download them from your site. I love them though, thanks!
I'm using FireFox and am getting website and download warnings. Not sure if I want to proceed :/
The file is safe. I’m not sure why it is issuing that warning. I’ll look into this more.
Is there a link to the conversion trays?
miniwargamingforge.com/collections/rank-and-flank-movement-tray-converters
Honestly depending on the unit/army it’s actually a nice help. Orcs and Goblins in my experience have a lot of units that you have to be careful with or they won’t rank up correctly on the original base. Even the monopose boys from the old starter box would bump into each other with how they were posed. Black orcs especially with the banner and musician will benefit massively going up in size.
Won’t rebase anything already painted, but I’ll happily keep any “new” additions to the army on the intended base.
The answer is no. I'm not doing it.
Imo the proper bases in the tray just look better
No interest in TOW myself, so I won't have to worry about it. :)
Age of Shitmar players be like
Same here. I played through Fantasy back in the day, had my fun, but I’ve got no desire to go back. AoS is so much more what I want for my fantasy setting and game, personally.
@@malekiththeeternityking5433 No need to be a toxic commenter here. I was just stating my opinion per the video. People responding in this way does not make me want to join the community at all.
That being said, those are some nice trays you guys have made. I'll need to take another look at the Forge!
@@tenshimusouka5820 "The AoS lore is so much better you guys."
Absolutely crazy not to use the conversion movement trays. In particular for the AoS models. I’d be fascinated to know what the percentage breakdown of people who will play only one of the fantasy systems as opposed to both.
Rebasing is super important for the new rules. It's a lot less devastating when a dragon breathes on your unit and the unit has a bigger foot print. Just one example.
Can´t hear what the "experts" are saying i the video...
this is great!
Yes, rebase them to multibase and play Kings of War instead!
No. We already have amazing editions of WHFB written by Rick, Tuomas, Andy, Bill and Alessio that have stood the test of time to play, that require nothing. Use your old, good minis for playing old, good editions.
I believe my pink horror base size shrunk
So for ovel bases, you make rectangle bases that fit inside ovals, instead of putting ovals on too large square bases.
why aren't they making skaven a proper race. bad enough GW killed WH-Fantasy in the first place, but this is adding insult to injury!
Glory to the Horned Rat
Need to rebase? NO! Don't even get new army books, they'll just invalidate them in half a year anyways, like they always do, and it's not like their army books are thoroughly playtested anyways or even balanced to one another. Power creep for the win, right? Nah man, if I want to play WHF I still have plenty of 8th ed books which are FINE!
Salty? Who? Me? Nooooo!
No.
imagine people rebasing their armys for aos then rbasing the same models for tow.
Did the age of Sigmar penalize you for playing with square bases every time I've ever tried to play it, people didn't really care.
Shop app's download link after buying pops up a NOT SAFE download for android. Heads up.
That is strange. It’s just a zip file filled with STLs. I made it myself.
@miniwargaming I just downloaded on my computer when I got home. :) Android not liking Shop app.
short answer. No don't rebase your models this game will die just like it did after some old school guys get their nostalgia fix.
Never hopped into the age of smegmar bandwagon... so no. Square supremacy!
Nope 😇
I will use spacer trays.. No way I'm rebasing for the Old World because i play Oldhammer, Kings of War, and other games that use the traditional 28mm models, I'm super uninterested in these 34mm heroic models they produce these days for AoS. Secondly, I'm not convinced The Old World is going to succeed because the models are stuck in the nineties. Many of us have 3d printers and don't plan on buying GW models because newer high res resin printers are really fast particularly using ACF and the quality meets and occasionally exceeds GW sculpts these days at a literal fraction of the cost. Why do we need GW at this point? The hobby is moving on and so they will lose a lot of sales due to 3d printing. The old word models aren't the only thing stuck in the ninties.. looking at you GW business model, I think they will experience the same exact issues Hasbro is experiencing in under 5 years, its just a question of time.
Whatever you say, whatever you think, I'm not changing my bases. I can't be bothered. Especially as geedubs will probably stop supporting this game, and all the morons will then stop playing it because they can't do anything without a malicious corporation telling them what to do.
Shut up and take my money!
Lol definitely one big advertisement... still a cool conversation.. but cmon everyone, rebase your Minis!
After being depressed by the trash "new" rules that are just going to turn off potential players (somehow even MORE rules than the prev. versions whose 100+ page rules destroyed the game's expansion); after being enraged by the stupidity of setting it "in the past" rather than the "present" pre-End Times era that Total War fans will expect and indeed be exclusively attracted to (they WANT to play Karl Franz etc) ... after being brutalised by the bizarrely high pries for old 1998-2003 miniatures... And being hit over the head with the reality that realistically you'll need 3 books to truly play your army .. after the revelation that Warhammer was never about the bloated ruleset: it was THE IP; and Old World is missing 44% of it.... this isn't Warhammer is it? After all of that, it's a hard pass from me and I suspect a silent majority.
It's a pump-and-dump dead on arrival nostalgia money-grab and, yes, I'll support it because I want to support the IP and it's worth supporting Mini War Gaming, but.... it's just sad what GW did.
Total side note: You need a proper "How to Play Warhammer The Old World" video like you did for 40K different editions.