Warhammer Fantasy Battles on a BUDGET! - Old World Empire Army Buyer's Guide
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ก.ค. 2024
- 00:00 How to Make a Budget Army
03:57 I Talk About Fillers
07:00 My Army!
08:58 The Money Breakdown
Here's a link to all the kits I talked about in my video. NOTE: I AM NOT SPONSORED BY ANY OF THESE FOLKS! Also, I'm definitely going to be buying Old World models from GW. If we want Old World to stick around, we need to vote with our wallets. That being said...
Frostgrave Pirates: www.northstarfigures.com/prod...
Agincourt Knights: www.perry-miniatures.com/prod...
Conquistadors: wargamesatlantic.com/collecti...
Landsknechts with Zweihanders (and Halberds, also cheaper on Amazon): store.warlordgames.com/produc...
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But seriously, if you want to do Brettonians on a budget, Fireforge miniatures are your friend.
The Tuetonic Knights are a budget option for Empire armies as well.
Do you know how well the Fireforge stuff works scalewise next to GW stuff?
The Minis from the Perrys always look to small.
Problem of true scale vs heroic scale.
Their Albion knights kit (under the "Forgotten World" header) is also a great choice for more high fantasy knights. You may opt to use multiple different Fireforge knight kits from throughout their ranges, to represent different kinds of knight units. With the more mundane looking Crusader kits for Knights Errant, to the Albion kits as Questing Knights.
(The Albion range also just _has_ Pegasus Knights, so that fills that hole in the Bretonnian range.)
In general, there is no reason to worry about the _success_ of the “return of the old world.” It is quite obvious that this will bring GW the same profit as any other their product.
Even without community participation! Simply because everything that GW produces is instantly grabbed by scalpers, resellers and other speculators. 🐈⬛
I am currently building an army to be used for Old World and Hobgoblin. I am using Pike and Shotte Starter Kit, a headpack from Sludge, and MDF bases. Over 80 models and still cheaper than 2 Freeguild boxes.
I encourage new players to get in any way they can. WHFB was a great setting and system. The teasers have been pretty good so far and GW will keep supporting if they sell the books. Obviously, they want to sell models too. Even old players are going to buy new models if GW does this right.
I got my eye on the Empire Militia kit, hoping for a re-release!
I'm really glad someone is talking about Unit Fillers. It's a crazy underappreciated "tech" in the hobby, that doesn't get discussed that much anymore. At least not in modern Warhammer, on account of rank-and-flank until now going the way of the dodo. Perhaps once the Old World drops, we'll see people rediscover it.
Personally, I think Unit Fillers _could_ work in round-base games. By way of gluing multiple round bases together into a cluster and using that as an oddly-shaped regular "round" base. (A way you might glue them together would be to use wood craft sticks or possibly sprues to bridge the gaps on top, and keep the whole thing rigid and together). From there, it's a matter of creating the diorama as normal.
(I'm planning on adding "round-base" filler for my undead army. Like taking one of the extra skeleton bodies from the Wargames Atlantic kit, sticking four spear arms onto the sockets, and creating a kind of spear-legged, quadruped skeleton spider. You know, to hang out in the middle of my other skeletons. Maybe make two, with one using a cow skull.)
Back when I first learned of Unit Fillers, I did a trawl of old forums where people talked about them or posted pictures. Accepted practice/etiquette during the WHFB days - to the point it got repeated almost word for word over multiple years and across forums - is that a Unit Filler should comprise a third of the total unit size or less, be situated in the center of the block (so you can easily "make change" with models already removed from the back row), and make sure the filler is always more creative than the unit it's replacing (no low-effort filler, as it betrays your interests are _singularly_ on being cheap).
So a unit of dwarves where 90% of the block is made of (a) big rock/rocks, with no flairs, is kind of scummy. Whereas a few bases worth of a lovingly rendered forge, or some dwarves drinking (even passing out) next to kegs, would be good. It shows you actually care about how your unit looks.
(Although that doesn't mean your Unit Fillers need to be particularly ground-breaking or original. No one who has tried building a Vampire Counts army will blame you for sprinking some spare arms erupting from headstone ground into your big blocks of zombies. Ain't nobody got time to paint 80+ Zombies _per unit,_ least of all in 8th edition).
As an armored combat nerd, the idea of making a bretonnia army with super historical minis is such a cool idea that I will be doing very soon
Edit: Good God Perry minis look so good. Definitely buying when I can
I bought a lot of Perrys for fighting the inner italian Wars before 1494 (I am a historical gamer), but I sideslipped into Fireforged Western Knights. I plan to use them against Perry troops, and I am looking forward to use some GW miniatures as leaders for my Burgundian Army when they get eaten up by Swiss Pikes. I am surprised how close the GW Imperial stuff is to the historical uniforms, and I enjoy the lore, but the GW rules are quite cumbersome.
Because the Perry brothers designed and sculpted GW Empire of Man they just upscales them and made them more cartoony/comic book like.
I just wanna say this video is awesome.
ty!!!
I don’t remember ever seeing unit fillers in the 90s. Units were much smaller back then so they weren’t really needed. It was in the 6th-8th era that massive blocks of troops became the norm. I think they can look good when used sparingly but that pic of of the night goblins looks awful imo as it doesn’t reflect the actual unit anymore.
Then you're in lucky! I have been watching all the ways to “save money” shown in this video and more - for many years. Despite the fact that the fantasy community claims to be “an elite hobby for respected adults.” Such snobbery, duplicity and hypocrisy pushed me away from this game forever. ⛔
There's a lot of historical minis or 3d prints that can be used to build Empire. One of the cheapest army
I am so glad I stumbled onto this video
I'm building Araby as empire. This is helpful for me as its technically empire. Im using Gripping beast Arabs, Perry minis Afghans and some others.
Looking forward to more of these, well done!
The Statetroops at about 01:15 are from the mid 2000s (and indeed terrible sculpts!). Their previous version from the late 90s were done by the Perries, and mix well with other 28mm historicals like the ones you have shown.
Ty!!! I forgot a part of this video - I was going to address the "GW is heroic scale historical minis look bad mixed in". Which I was going to address with your comment - their sculpts have changed scales a lot! It's funny how the pistolier pistol is about double the size of both the old pistols and the modern pistol shown in my witch hunter (made by GW).
I didn't find them that terrible. my only gripe with those kits are the inbred faces xD
Excellent vid. Lovely models with nice differentiating tidbits throughout with greenstuff. A1 bud 👍
I got the Landsknecht starter army on sale for €98 (normally €121) a while back meself. That's 96 pikemen, 24 Zweihanders and 24 Arquebus/crossbows. It also comes with command options and a few metal officers.
I also bought a box of the Wargames conquistadors and Perry foot knights and mounted men at arms.
It all goes very well together in my eyes. And I don't even want to imagine what it would have cost to get the same amount of men via GW and their prices.
Most of my Empire miniatures are going to be from Battle Masters but I did purchase the Pikes and Schott line for the greatswords and gunners. Currently working on my Tomb Kings and I'm eagerly anticipating the WGA skeleton chariots. Reaper Miniatures also has some nice models for heroes and the like. Most of my Witch hunter and Sisters of Sigmar Mordheim teams are Reaper minis.
Loved this video. Was leaning towards elves for old world but this video might’ve pulled me towards Empire.
I love custom models for Warhammer Fantasy. You inspired me to kit-bash my own Kislev and Cathay army!
Love it ! Hope you do more ! Can show more !
I went also to WL for a small(ish) Empire army. English Civil war guns look right, even the mid 17th century outfit seem possible for old world.
However for Bretonia, most alternative sculps are small in size compared to the OG GW ones. Fire Forge makes an alternative line, inc Pegasus Knights but the helmet's sculps look...not to my tast. On the other hand I got a box of Berber infantry to add some Araby Vibs to my new Bretonian Army for Old World, those sculps look big enough compared to Bretonnian sculps.
Great job!
Great video, thanks for inspiring. Im bought big box Warlord's royal kings army, its about 140+ models and one box with foot knights to make proxy Greatswords , just guys in plates with some 2h wep swords poleaxes and warhammers
I used Runewars spearmen for AOS Freeguild. You could 8 generic spear men for 15 to 20 ish American dollars. I have 80 of them for my United order forces.
Good video, would be good to see you updating this project.
My main concern with the alternative mix approach is that in the end, miniatures will not look cohesive within the army. The different sculpting styles show even if you paint them with the same scheme. It will be hard to even match them in the same scale.
I'm finding that it's working well so far! I'm cleaning up the edges and gap filling which is making them work really nicely together. I'll update when they're all painted and let you all judge again :)
Old world , i want to see a Gnone and halfling army that would be awesome.
Im new to the hobby - my main gripe is a lot of the other brands don’t scale well with AoS.
SteelHelms make Frostgrave Barbarians look like Dwarfs!
The only brand I have found scale really well is FireForge Forgotten Realms range.
They are almost identical.
Excellent work on those and assembling all the miniatures. I think part of the reason why GW moved away from those lines is because of all of the plastic historicals available. The only potential issue is with scale... I know Perry and Wargames Atlantic were relatively small compared to the old GW stuff, right? Enjoyed the video, thanks for posting!
Cheers!!! They're relatively small only insofar as the weapons are concerned, but even GW isn't consistent. You'll notice the pistols on the modern GW witch hunter - they're like half the size of the old GW pistols, both Empire models. By mixing and matching, the scale ends up balancing out I think!
Nice approach to the game. I am going the exact opposite at the moment. I am trying to purchase the old metal models from GW and some of the early plastic figures. Quite expensive task I am up to. Very good video. Greetings!
Perry minis wars of the roses sets are perfect for empire I'm using a £9 field gun as a great cannon
Empire is not in 1600s pike and shot, it is 1500s landsknecht.
Perry miniatures FTW
Looks amazing and I’d prefer to play people who make fun, interesting armies. Affordability is also a great bonus!
do your think the cavalry from the box of Townsfolk Miniature Pack from archon studio could fit to such an army?
I really liked this video! Could you possibly do the same for the warriors of chaos? I do not dislike GW, but I would personally look a bit more "down to earth", or "gothic viking" look for a warriors of chaos army.
My adive if you plan to make a WFB army or 2 = buy a 3d printer, print the bulk of your army from Highland Minatures (or whoever) and only buy the characters/stand out units from GW.
I do Warhammer Fantasy in 1/72 scale. Tons of cheap options from historical sets plus the Dark Alliance fantasy sets and the Caesar Miniatures fantasy sets as well.
Super cool idea! I might have to steal it for my upcoming bretonian army :)
Def recommend the Perry minis! Great models!!! Lots of fun Peasant models out there too.
@@VentrueMinis It's a tough situation for me because I don't want to pay an arm and a leg for GW minis but I also really want to support old world when it comes out so they keep supporting it. Would hate for it to be abandonded.
@@magicalchipmunk1137 Do both! I'm doing both for my Empire. Buy the beautiful knight models they're coming out with, then grab the dozens and dozens of peasant archers and men at arms from Perry :)
Great video! Perhaps another great option (should y'all be interested) are Gripping Beast miniatures. Make one for Chaos next >:)
This was a great video thank you lots of inspiration here. Is a there a term for those 40x40 bases dioramas? I hadn’t thought of that before, and I’d like to google some more examples
Fillers!!!! Googling Warhammer Filler should work!
Fantastic thank you! And keep up the great video content (when you have time)!@@VentrueMinis
cheers mate! Let me know what other kind of content you'd like to see too :)@@nickharling3902
@@VentrueMinis I'm a member of a group that meets up regularly to play kill team here in the Toyko/Yokohama area. Everyone in our group chat loves your team deep dive videos and would like to see plenty more
@@nickharling3902 omg that's so sweet!! Thank you for telling me, shout out to Tokyo 🤩
I got my hands on an absurd number of MaxMini halflings for extremely cheap, so I plan to use them as an Empire army. I'll probably have to invest in a decent number of Mantic gunner halflings, but it won't break my bank. Might just go with bow halflings though.
Rad! I know WGA also has some super cool halflings, making a Moot army?
@@VentrueMinis More or less. I also got a few hundred undead halflings, so I'll probably make a Halfling Vampire Counts army while I'm at it. I've heard that the first thing that always happens in a Total Warhammer game is the Moot getting eaten by vamps.
@@VentrueMinis I was also thinking the WGA Halflings would make good "Mootland" themed Empire troops. Make them pike(half)men, or archers. Best part is, they come 40 models to a box, rather than the 24 of most "Landsnecht" plastic kits. So you can go _really_ cheap on troops.
@@Bluecho4 if I end up needing more infantry models, I'm really considering the WGA Halflings!
Hah! just yesterday I was painting the majority of a Landsknecht Ogre for fillign out a Stirland Greatswords Regioment that has yet to be founded.
also got some 15th century mercenaries for some Stirland Handgunners, spearmen and perhaps crossbowmen who will look more old fashioned than my other empire parts who are largely recruited from Nuln.
I was also considering getting those frostgrave pirates for free company militia. I think they will fit especially well for the Stirland Riverpatrol. Yar harr.
Where did you find the mercenaries, fellow Stirlander?
@@herrJuel from perry miniatures, you gottra look around which shops sell them, not sure if it would help you telling where I got them from, being situated in germany, I think.
@@PrimordialNightmare are those 28mm heroic? I find perry minis to be just a bit too small and thin to go alongside wargame atlantic for example. But then, the Stirland is poor :).
@@herrJuel they're not heroic, so they will be a bit smaller!
depending on how you look at it, they might give some nice variety to builds - or just outright ruin the look of a unit.
But stirland being poor is basically my justification for the scrawnier builds XD
So far I assembled one guy of them, gave him the two handed sword of the state troops champion (had to shorten the swords grip to have it fit) and gave him a Head from one of my Empire dudes, depending on the angle you look at, he looks kindof whack with a melon head, but from a bit further away it doesn't look too bad.
I also found the little pedestal things perryminis stand on help evening out the models height with GW minis, and can be hidden well enough with some basic basing.
For those watching now, the Landsknecht line from Warlord Games for Pike & Shotte looks like a good source for empire troops
I explicitly mention these in the video :)
@@VentrueMinis oh my bad lol just didn’t see a lot of people talking about them in the comments
Massive use of alternative historical miniatures such as Medieval Knights and Landsknechts is not one of the main reasons for the closure of old fantasy game? Even then and now there are a lot of pirated resin recasts anywhere.
And in general, now is the Era of 3D Printing.
What did Games Workshop count on when reviving the Old World, for real?
It definitely was why WHFB died but, as they've said, they're not releasing new kits for every faction. I'll buy the books and new Empire models as I said, but right now, they aren't selling any of the kits I'm proxying on their webstore. One can support OW without spending 500+ dollars for an army :)
Nostalgia and realizing Rank & File is a cake they want a piece of, probably.
Having the Status of a specialist game rather than meinline at least puts it under less pressure, I suppose.
My Dwarf Fillers :)
What size are the minis you've used? Did you say 28mm?
Yep!
@@VentrueMinis is fantasy 28mm as well? Thanks for the reply mate
@@robmcmurrough1897 GW minis are 28mm Heroic vaguely, but 28mm minis rank up just perfectly fine in most cases. The older the GW minis the more like true 28mm they are.
@@VentrueMinis cheers bud! Think I'll have to get some ordered then 👍
Aren’t the warlord minis 28mm and the GW ones 35mm or something? Those scales are really different. Won’t they look like a regiment of pre-teens alongside basketball-players?
The scales are not significantly different! Both are 28mm, but GW's are "heroic" 28mm, meaning that some of the proportions are slightly different. Alone, this difference is really not noticeable. This difference is entirely negated when you kitbash -it just leaves your army looking more unique, not out of scale.
@@VentrueMinis then count me in! I’m off to Perry Miniatures…
I will say that Warlord's and Wargames Atlantic are the ones I'm using. Again, kitbashing will likely make it all work out! But I haven't experience with Perry's, personally.@@LivingroomTV-me9oz
Budget. -looks at my two 3d resin printers with adoration-😂 You won't get cheaper or better miniatures for a fraction of retail. Seriously though Warhammer should have went multibase like Kings of War
what is Old World? from what info ive found it was an old game by warhammer, but discontinued for a while until recently upcoming? and it is distinct and different from AoS right? Almost seems like Pike and Shotte fantasy which is cool. if anyone knows where i can learn more about Old world I would love help!
It's the old school Warhammer Fantasy! It got cancelled but had 8 editions. It's different from AOS, it used square bases and is more like a historical rank and flank!
thanks for the reply! that is cool! Great work and ideas, i was looking at Pike and Shotte recently on Warlord Games and knowing ive got a few more game options is fun! have a great day @@VentrueMinis
40mm doesn't equal 4x4 20mm...
Going cheap on an Empire army - take griffons, demigryphs, steam tank, outriders and core knights and wizard on griffon or pegasus. Empire infantry in TOW is unfortunately completely overpriced and uncompetitive compared to pretty much every other army. It’s why current tourney results have Empire placed last. Old school strategy around TVI and infantry blocks are not effective for Empire anymore. Same with priests. Sad but true.
Not everyone needs to play TOW competitively :)
How to make a budget Warhammer army-don't buy Warhammer lololol.
Very excited to see WHFB getting a revival. Was always more of a 40k fan but I loved the setting and Total War game. Anyway thanks for the video, also digging the Stirland theme.
Cheers! The Total War game definitely helped kick it back into gear, I'm glad they're finally capitalizing on it with a new release.
@@VentrueMinis I will never believe that Total War fanboys _en masse_ will rush out to buy any miniatures and paints. They already have their digital idol. Rather, GW is “bringing back” the old world, seeing insane markups on vintage models on the seconhand markets.
LandKnechts. Hard k