Acer Nitro 5 modification - Using the lid sensor as a power button - Rerouting the power button.
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Drill a small hole in the case (on the side if there is room) and insert a small tactile switch. Then you can wire it up as a dedicated power button.
Yes, simple solution
Well, sure, but that's just wiring in a different power button, not fixing anything.
@@yeahright9014 How is it not fixing anything? This is a quick fix. Of course you could do it the right way and pay over $100 for a new keyboard, but that is the point of the video; cheap solutions and that is exactly what this is!
I would do this as well, having a "hold to shutdown" button is very important
Having a power button in the keyboard is stupid. Installing a real power button makes the laptop better.
This was great. You saved my son’s laptop and saved me from having to replace it. Only difference was that my laptop lost the entire keyboard. With an external keyboard it works just fine though and he never used the laptop keyboard anyway. You’re awesome. Thank you.
disabling the power button action has no effect because it has nothing to do with long press (long press can bypass any other actions) and the computer was sleeping because you didnt wait enough for the power button long press so that it didnt shut it down.great job btw you are the real master
Hi Sorin, I think this won't work because of the power buttons emergency shutdown abilitiy. When you close the lid EC will sense that power button is pressing and after 5 seconds EC will think you are trying to force Power off then it will cut the power and this will probably make windows corruption.
Yes your exactly right
thought the same, will corrupt it definetly
What I learned is that most computer shops, don't know what they are doing, their only way of fixing is replacing, components, screens, batteries etc. Most of them don't do/know actual electronics repairs. There are so few that know, can and understand. 😢
I 100% agree with that. 5 Minutes ago i just fixed my acer nitro 5 by just remove the vent and put it back on. I have absolutely no experience in that field! The computer store said mainboard is gone and this ebay turks they wanted give me barely 100€. Im so happy right now
yes,another thought most of uk people throw away things if they stop working
@@beelzebub3676 Unless I am mistaken here. Are you trying to point out the nationality to name and shame by mentioning eBay Turk . Why can't you say eBay vendor. So if this was on eBay UK you would have named and shamed like English eBay, Brits ebay etc
@@astral5322 100% agree !!!
Well computer shops is not electronic shop, that's not the same job... So yeah but that's 100% normal, they know what they are doing, but that's not electronic.
Innovative idea! I actually had same fault on lenovo laptop last week. I just soldered another button and made a small hole on the side of the laptop case (with the authorization of the owner of course) it’s not as elegant solution like you did. But it works well.
very rare repair shop gonna do repair like that, they just ask you to buy new keyboard set
I just had to fix 2 laptops with the same problem in the past weeks.
I did the same as you did. Salvaged buttons from 2 broken machines, soldered and drilled a hole on the bottom. Saved the clients a few bucks, (besides I couldn't find a replacement keyboard for 1). So clients were happy with the solution.
Computer shop : you need a new motherboard
Sorin : you only need one wire
A wonderful, beautiful and profitable idea, but there are some customers who will not be satisfied with it.
I encountered a problem like this with a Lenovo laptop, and as you know, the keyboard is not cheap, and when it is removed and when it is removed and installed, it is not original because of the plastic screws...
So I modified the keyboard by purchasing a Flex play button. Installing it under the power button and connecting wires.
Lol this is beautiful.
The moment you see the sensor you know that’s it! This will be the case whiteout a extra button.
I love this kind of modifications nice work 💻
Not only you fixed that laptop but you improved it!
I love those type of video really creative
I have an acer with same keyboard type. What I did was I removed the keycap and soldered one end of a small tactile push button to the metal part of keyboard frame from outside..and passed a wire from outside the keyboard frame to inside to the 3.3v rail on the keyboard connector. Then i removed the scissors from the plastic keycap and glued it over the button. Now it looks fine and works fine.
Hi Sorin, you can set up the LID behavior from the BIOS or UEFI so when you open the LID the PC will turn on and it will turn off when you close the LID (so you can do it by software)
Yes, that is what I was thinking, I have a Dell, with broken power button, and the bios settings let's me power on the laptop when the charger is plugged in.
@@andreiu4ce it's possible only on dell laps
unfortunately, not all laptop have that function, especially all Nitro 5 model, but u will luck if u have Lenovo laptop, bcoz they have that function by default
@@computersrepaircotesaint-l7407 nop the Lenovo or thinkpad are too same Chager stats one key and Lid Open power. the 8gen to up
The only problem there is if someone is turning the option off then you have to open the laptop again, Sorin's option it's more permanent
OMG, this video saved my life here. Hard the same problem with a customer laptop. Thank you.
In this case everytime two or three times you close the lid a recovery page would appear, it's like you press and hold power button when windows is on
I would first use a little bit of isopropyl alcohol to clean under that power button, if didn't work, then I would set lid button behavior under bios settings, where you can set laptop to power on when you open the lid, no need to solder the wire.
there's no lid button behavior under bios settings in Acer laptops it on only on some hp and toshiba
That's actually great idea, but i always try to avoid triggering multiple sensors at the same time, so i would probably integrate a small flat button under the keyboard button 😅
I agree; sometimes there is only a mechanical issue on the keyboard
put few drops isopropyl top of power button , press power button crazy few times , repeat it , hot air bit , connect charge & let the magic happen
Indeed you are saying something
Sorin in Brazil we have a word for this "gambiarra" and you're reaching new levels of gambiarra here 😂😂😂
"Adaptação técnica" 😂
Usually the digital circuits are working with either leading or trailing edge of the signal and not the pulse itself this is why you get different behavior upon opening and closing the lid twice, also the windows software is interfering with this sequence, so disabling the power switch from windows will at least give consistent behavior.
Had a near exact same issue, keyboard working fine except for the powerbutton, too expensive to buy either as a whole topcover or spend the time to melt in a separate keyboard.
So i managed to file down and squeeze in a little tactil button in the Kensington lock hole, fixed with hotglue and soldered a wire to the keyboard connector and the other to a nearby GND.
Works and behaves perfectly 🤓
model?
Thank you Sorin your videos are amazing! please if you can post some desktop motherboard repairs.
The customer said the problem occurred after a Windows update, some windows updates require a full shutdown and restart, but Windows 10 has a feature called 'Fast Startup' which is enabled by default, sometimes this can interfere with the update and possibly cause the power button to not work properly. Perhaps turn off this feature and try again, it may or may not fix the power button. In Windows 10 it's in 'Settings/Power & Sleep/Additional Power Settings/Choose what the power buttons do' and disable 'Turn on fast startup (recommended). I don't know if other versions of Windows have this fast startup feature, I assume they do though.
Hi Sorin. I'd better disable the Sleep I guess within Windows. and leave one job for the lid sensor(in order not to get the windows confused with the Power off/Sleep) I love your videos and still learning from you. Greetings from Greece. Keep up the good work !!!! We're all are greatful for the knowledge you're sharing.
Hi Sorin, maybe you can use a capacitor , when charging the capacitor you will have a short time connection to gnd before reaching the 3.3v, using that caracteristic you can simulate a press of the power button on the board.
Love your videos and your thinking "outside the box".
Greetings from Portugal 🇵🇹
no its not dodgy sorin it is very smart .. i know you can find a solution always ..the computer shop obviously not in the same league as yourself .... and you save the customer money which is always great...
bravo i love this one modification bravo Surin ,I think me first I would have to disassemble the keyboard and test the signal and look for something broken or damaged
you are great! you save me whole week trying to test io chip
Hi Sorin, great modification... My idea will be... Taking the 3.3 from the sensor *source* where 3.3 is always present to the first pin of the keyboard, then the sensor output conected to a 47uf cap and 100ohm resistor (in parallel) to ground.
That make the 3.3 go to 0 for a fraction of time in order to charge the cap when screen is opened. Hope it's clear.
Actually is not a bad idea, i would try it next time, thx
hi Sorin, at 24:23 there is a bridge between 2 pins on the keyboard connector. there should not be a bridge there. It might be the reason the power button not working.
Yes your exactly right
my first thought was to use the windows power management the keyboard is $44 Australian it does worry me that you repair a lot of newish laptops what is happening with quality control if I brought a new car and the same thing happened, I would not be happy. I suppose it keeps you in a job and keeps us all entertained I truly appreciate the videos that you put up
Thank you very much!
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Took it to a repair shop, and they said they were not sure but probably needs a new motherboard. LOL ''Repair shop''. My dog would be better than those clowns. Don't you wish people would not be allowed to just open a repair shop without a clue of how to actually repair. These places usually just about manage to replace a hard drive or battery.
Thank you for another smart video Sorin. I would definitely go this route or attach a physical button by the side.
It is ok solition, maybe I will montage small button for power, I have always some small press buttons and I drill small hole on housing and montage the button. It looks great and function is like original and it is 5 minutes job.
Tako je ljubo. Jednostavno i funkcionalno, LID ostaviti da radi svoj posao. Power dugme ipak ima vise funkcija, ukljucujuci power off kada se sadrzi 4+ sekunde.
@@gile849 pa da, logično, ali ipak je gušt gledat Sorina u njegovim improvizacijama jel da hahahaha... zato ga i gledam .. 😊 pozz gile
its a brilliant idea, you are genius Sorin
Some Lenovo models (V14 or V15IL), have the power ON of the laptop, activated by LID, and it can be enabled and disabled from the BIOS. You can turn on by opening the lid, or by pressing the power button. For other models it would be a great idea.
Find a spot in one of the sides and drill a hole, insert a tablet button (or similar), fill it with hot glue to secure it in place, connect one terminal to ground and put a wire from the other terminal to the pin one of the keyboard. That's your new button.
This video is a godsend, thank you!
upgrade? 😂😂😂 So funny you are. Nice fix. I would ask customer,...clearly it would cost him more money for a new keyboard. It is a difficult repair, I've done my own due to water damage.
Customers choice, Sorin. If they want to pay for a new keyboard, then it's a new keyboard. Not sure about this model exactly, but there could be a BIOS setting to automatically power on the laptop when the lid is opened (that may be off). I have seen more and more laptops recently have that setting and have had it turned on by default. The repair here is a little dodgy, said with fun in mind
I think the power button is not ignored and when you close the lid the laptop goes into sleep first and if you wait a few seconds the laptop will be off because the pressed power button takes a little to shut the laptop off.
yep, i think you're right, in this case changing the windows power button action to do nothing will have no effect and at some point the windows install will break bc of the force shutdown from the long press power button/lid sensor on zero.
Simply legendary. Made my day 🤣
It's the future guys, AI.
Not sure about Acer, but on some laptops (tested on Dell and Lenovo) there is a setting in the BIOS to have the laptop turn on the lid is opened or when AC power is connected. The latter is quite useful when using a laptop with an external monitor and peripherals as there's no need to open the lid to turn it on.
I usually repair these types of laptops by placing a small switch under the keyboard power button itself. And wiring it directly to the keyboard connector. It is very time consuming. Since some drilling is required to make way for the wires. But end result is pretty good. You get a tactile power button on the original keyboard itself.
no its not dodgy,its fantastic.
I would make a small circuit that sends a pulse to the power button pin every time the state of the sleep sensor changes.
Now disconect the sensor from the sleep pin on the motherboard and here you go.
When you open the lid, the laptop gets the signal on the power pin to start, and when you close the lid it gets the short signal on the power button witch will send it to sleep mode, if you open the lid while its in sleep mode it will just wake up. The only issue with this is if you set it to sleep mode before closing the lid, witch would cause it to wake up with the lid closed, but you can still fix that by removing the sleep option in the controll panel.
I do really love to see your repairing videos , and thanks for sharing your knowledge with us
on the side of the laptop, glue the tact switch with thermo glue and connect the cables through the holes near the usb port
that's what I did b4 for a customer it worked great
Waw I malways amazed with your work you are a master...i wounder if you could change power button to another key like f12 or so using app keyboard layout change
Good job I would like more explanation to which pin you connected the cable in the sensor and how it works
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Genius.
Thanks mate , worked for me
Salutari from Brasov Sorin , i had a Lenovo with same issue , i fixed it by running a wire , on the actual keyboard , with some digging in the foil to touch the metal underside . I took the 3.3 from the connector and glued it under the plastic keyboard foil , right under the actual button so when button is pressed the wire touches the metal backing plate of the keyboard . That's doggy.
Anyway some laptops have the option in the Bios to turn on by Lid , or by plugging charger, in HP i've seen it ans used it
You area genius,, i wish such ideas originated from myself
Genius..... Einstein should be here to see it...😀
Maybe a surface mount PNP transistor, a Cap and some resistors would be a slightly neater solution so you don’t need the double action, use a cap discharge so it is timed so IO chip doesn’t think button is a long press. Turn off sleep but leave power button normal 🤷🏼♂️
Nice modification, should be from factory this way. 👍😃
If it had a fingerprint reader you could conect it to it :D
Nice vdeo as always :)
I would of soldered wires like you did, but instead of too the lid switch, I would hot glue one of those missile activation switches, like the metal switch with the red flip up guard right too the keyboard.
So that means the laptop forcibly shutsdown then you know what will happen next time you open it as windows will detect that it is not properly shutdown just like on the recovery mode or blue screen. Later the customer will complain about it for sure.
Nice educatif and funny video mr sorin
Seen some TH-cam videos related to the same issue.
Maybe worth revisiting the fragile contact between the keyboard cable and the motherboard. One guy solved the problem by applying pressure on the plug …
One way to verify is to test again the power button by checking at the cable level and not the motherboard
Hi
You can change the settings in control pannel - power options - what does closing lid does - set it as Do nothing
he dont have the windows password
Did you measure the resistance on the power switch to see if there was any change when pressed ?
Yes he did. There was no drop in voltage, when he pressed the power button.
I would have found a place to add a tactile switch, hot glued the switch and ran a couple of wires. I probably would have had to make a hole in the case. So your solution is neater.
On my own laptop it is hooked to a monitor and it has a power button under the lid. It is not convenient for me to open the lid, so I have fitted a tactile as above and removed to magnet from the lid that triggers the hall effect sensor as I could not disable the lid switch easily on POP-OS linux.
excellent idea i will sure use that !, never even though of it !
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Don't tell me it's dodgy, hahahaah I laughed so hard. Great video as always, now we just need to play a funny sound when the customer opens the lid like an electric car starting / welcoming start engine noise hahaha :D Aawwooooooommmm like magic laptop start :D
Sorin you are a lagent
At software level you can set do nothing for power button press but at hardware level EC will still register a long press on power button and shut down everything.
Lid closed = power button pressed
For short period of lid closed sleep will register, (also short time press on power button) that's why you get sleep sometimes but for long time lid closed after sleep event occured that low on power button for some amount of time ( aka long press on power button) will force EC to shut down everything.
As result next boot will be in recovery since windows doesn't shut down as it should be.
Maybe add another hall sensor,maybe there are some hall sensor that output one pulse instead
Find another way to translate low from hall sensor to 1 sec low pulse.
1) When buying: Fabricated/Refurbished chip: (Someone at the recycling plant is removing chips and making them look like something else) They will be thinner if measured with a vernier gauge because they have to be ground down in order to repainted and re-number them.
2. Paint will come off the chip with isopropyl alcohol.
3. Check the image for the previous positioning mark which has been ground down and painted over.
4.The date will not correspond with the manufacturing date of the computer model. (And will be confusing), this is intentional.
5.Look at the pins
All tin-plated pins that are as bright as "new" must be refurbished. Most of the pins of genuine ICs should be so-called "silver powder pins", which are dark in color but uniform in color.
So pins which are too shiny have been made to look so.
6. The vast majority of chips are now laser marked or printed with a dedicated chip printer. The handwriting is clear, neither conspicuous nor blurred and difficult to erase. The refurbished chips have either the edge of the writing corroded by the cleaning agent and have a "jaggy" feeling, or the printing is blurred, different in shades, misplaced, easy to erase or too conspicuous.
Dodgy but great thinking 😅love it Sorin!
is it possible to fool the hall sensor with a magnet? My notebook is actually always open because the constant opening and closing would put a lot of stress on the hinges...
I did few similar repairs ( one was a MacBook ) I just use a small ( tablet type ) button with a small hole on the side of the laptop. I Just mount it far from the pipes and cooler, coz the hot glue is getting melted from the heat. I have seen a lot of the new laptops coming with a power button mounted on the side.
What about pulling two wires out and making button on side of plastic and glue it so you start laptop by pressing new side button?
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you may have the option in bios to power on the laptop when you open the lid
I really hope you ask the customer prior to doing this "off-label" stuff to their laptops :)))))
keep pressing the power button while on sleep will reset the system that is why it was on recovery as it was not shutdown properly
I would hot glue and wire a REED SWITCH somewhere convenient inside the laptop. It would look clean and can easily be activated with a small hand held magnet. It could be a security feature at the same time. Secret way to turn ON the laptop.
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nice choice
Next repair on this laptop would be hinge and hot glue.
Sorin if you are sure of the keyboard button try to save money the button is in the corner, open only that corner.
would prefer to pull out 2 wires from 3.3v and ground.and fix a smallest switch i can find on tne side of the pc somehow. (maybe one of those tiny circular switch one click on another off.control it through a holle on the side of the cover we can make and fix it with hot glue from inside)
That is gonna be the next gen laptops - without Power buttons 😂😂😂
There seems to be some sort of a bridge between pins 13 and 14 on the keyboard connector from where you are soldering the wire or is it the glare from the light playing tricks. Just saying.
I would carry a small switch button near the usb port
That is a Niiiiice laptop :)
i was adding simple touch butten on that "locking" port most laptops have. (that hole on the side, i can't remember what it's called.
I am skeptical, by nature, of praise or reviews from "experts" when it comes to technical features or "features offered" by some manufacturers of consumer devices. Although in this case, I must recognize the image quality offered by that Acer screen when I saw the operating system enter, it shocked me! All the best.
4 Pin USB Type A Connector Male/Female Plug Mount Adapter USB 2.0 solder type connectors with black plastic shell (Ali... ss). I would make a small hole in the black plastic that only allows the release of the shutter (button to press) of the microswitch that would be glued internally. For the switch, please write only RT3301, that would be my choice; RT3301 series tactile switch (data sheet and price per piece) at mouser ele...nics. All the best.
Having the idea, i would try setting the Power and Sleep button option in windows to "Sleep" instead of "Shutdown" when i press the power button. And/or maybe in bios settings if there's an option for the power button not to shutdown when pressed. If that wont work then i would just abandon the lid switch by disconnecting the connection and make the sensor for power switch solely than buying a new keyboard.
make a button out of the case - the side -- and hold it with a hot glue
No! That is dodgy.
According to my never ending dodgyness I'd think about - a) putting in a tiny noise-sensor module with gain almost down (every time when you strongly knock on the laptop's case you get a logic signal to turn on or off the comp) - b) putting in a reed-switch on the housing's edge (costumer can switch on/off with customized magnet-magic ..magnetized cat, ring, pen...) - c) putting in a tiny RFID-receiver and switching on/off with a little transponder (a keyfob, a card or, just for fun these transponders are even available in form of micro capsules for subcutaneous implanting - guess that would be pretty challenging) - or d) the common, dodgy things like drilling a tiny hole on the side for micro-switches (or light-sensors, triggered by a laser-pointer) ,)
Maybe the UEFI/BIOS has a "power-button" toggle, since it's just a key on the keyboard, and not a separate physical button?
I would just stick on top of the power button a small flat button
13:26 I don't know Sorin - it looks very strange. I counted the time and there was 2minutes 22 seconds of black screen. It is a way too much for a few restarts after bios reset. 2,22minutes is too high. It is strage. Maybe cracked solderballs under gpu/cpu? You left laptop on, for 2,2minutes and maybe the heat fixed temporaty the cracks. That laptop needs to be on/checked after colddown again
@Radek S: Yeah. Completely agree. It shouldn't be that slow to get in. It has a minimum 500 Giga HDD and I see two DDR memories in its slots. "Cold" soldering on the CPU or on the GPU? I don't find your suggestion unreasonable at all (thanks for the advice), I would try to "retouch" them at low temperature (350 Celsius) at 7 cm distance, if possible, first below and then above. All the best.
Look in BIOS or Windows for power on when Lid opened
wouldnt it be easier just to make new button, it can small and discrete just for turning on/off