The dbz kai version has different music because we couldn't figure out how to get the regular kai version but the dialogue is still the same. If you watched Kai before you know what the music sounds like in these scenes but let me know which dub you would've picked for each scene.
Also an improvement the anime made over the manga, as the Kame House group’s reaction isn’t in Toriyama’s original writing. It really helps add to the drama of the scene.
I grew up with the original Dragon Ball Z as well but I have to say that Dragon Ball Kai had the better dialogue because the voice actor over the years had improve. Plus the english dubbed was more faithful to the manga and the Japanese counterpart. In DBZ Kai it's also a lot more swearing😂 lol!
That was one of my gripes with Kai. I enjoy it more than the Z dub but Goku saying "See you in hell Freeza!" sounds very out of character for him. They sometimes made him swear so he'd sound cooler or more pissed off but it just didn't fit Goku
I do have the say: the moment where Gohan bursts out of the space pod, demonstrates his hidden power, and headbutts Raditz in the chest is way more epic to me in Z. "Gohan wants his hat back" playing in the background, the genuine terror and bewilderment in Raditz' voice with his scouter reading ("Power level 1370?! Impossible for a kid! And... it's still going up!!"), and how much more painful it sounds when Raditz is struck. He's outright _screaming._ I also think the delivery of "Leave my dad.... **ALOOOOOOOONE!!!**" with Gohan's burst of power was more intense than Kai's counterpart.
Interestingly, this is probably closer than comps for other sagas will be because the Funimation dub of the Saiyan & Namek Sagas actually came out last, after GT even if I remember right. So the actors were all VERY settled in at least and they might have switched to digital recording by then allowing for more takes like they had in Kai. Of course if this were the actual original dub from Ocean Group this would be a sweep almost for Kai lol
Honestly, they should’ve kept it in Kai. 9,000 feels more impactful, and it’s more memorable in the eyes of the Western fandom anyway. Hell, “over 8,000” could just mean 9,000 for all we know.
@@thefilmwatcher1302 it couldn't, because Vegeta's power level was around 18,000 in the Saiyan Saga, which is why Goku still wasn't stronger than him with one Kaio-Ken. If Goku's power level was 9,000 one Kaio-Ken would have been enough to match Vegeta. Only after going x3 did Goku become stronger. And the reason he needed to go x4 against the Galick Gun is because the Galick Gun is stronger than the regular Kame-hame-ha.
The Kai dub just has better delivery and timing compared to the Z dub. I feel like all the voice actors who stayed the same across both dubs are objectively more skilled now, which makes it much easier to listen to imo.
In the Original DBZ and manga, before the farmer can say a word to Raditz, Raditz says “These creatures in this planet are still alive. Kakarot has failed us!” and “So… the inhabitants of this world are still alive. Curse that Kakarrot!” But in DBZ Kai, Raditz didn’t say that at all after arriving.
It’s funny how many people complain about Goku’s reason for letting Vegeta go because he wants to fighting him again, instead of believing that there is good in him, when people forget that Kai depict Goku’s character, while Z dub’s Goku is taking the persona of Superman
Serious question, you've compared the scores, even had several of your ratings ultimately be dictated by the scores, but where are you getting THIS score of DBZK from? The Kai dub you're using is literally using the Bruce Falconer OST which belongs to DBZ, NOT DBZK. I've listened to the Yamato and the rerelease that used the original DBZ score (the score that's used in many of the DBZ clips you used) and I've never heard the Bruce Falconer music that's used in your DBZK clips. That seems intentionally unfair Plus you gave DBZ a point just cause it had "it's over 9000" as a line despite it not being manga accurate and you yourself admiring it wasn't as well performed
@@stokilo18 in kai they sound scripted and dialogue is over stuffed .its not a natural conversation. Sounds like a shaspearan play in kai half the time.its annoying
@@wingedhussar1453 id rather a script that's far more accurate to the source material and all of the corny, cheesiness that is the original. " Ally to good, nightmare to you" Or Vegeta saying things like "great galaxy" Yea... Cause that's so much more natural than using big words
We need a version with Kai’s animation and dub…but has the Z soundtrack of Faulconer Even though some of the scenes in Kai (Vegeta offering Goku / kamehameha over powering the Galick gun) had the Faulconer score
I grew up with both dubs, and I always find kai to be the superior dub. But there were admittedly some scenes that dbz dub did better. This video gave me a little more appreciation for the dbz dub (at least for the Saiyan saga).
People hate on Z for no reason. I’ve literally just watched both back to back and Kai just does not deliver on so many key scenes like Z did. It’s superior for me but everyone is entitled to their opinions.
@@enzog1078I'd say it's the other way around, where more of the hate goes towards kai just because of nostalgia. That's not the case for me, my sister, and most of my friends. Z is fine, but I prefer kai.
Awesome video man, although it sounds like this version of Kai has the Faulconer score which is very interesting, where did you find it? And could we get a link to it, I personally think Kai dialogue with Faulconer music is peak.
I wish that Kai had gone all the way back to the beginning and started at the beginning of the original Dragon Ball and gone all the way to the end of Z. So that way we would have a streamlined and consistent version of the ENTIRE original series prior to Super. They even could have given it a more marketable American title like "Dragon Ball Rise" or something.
Knowing that they stopped remastering at Cell and had to be convinced by fans to actually do the Buu saga years later, they probably would've given up half way through OG Dragon Ball and we would've had an incomplete remaster.
@@wholockedholmes Yeah...I'd just love to see some sort of "remaster" or "restoration" of the series that actually covers it start to finish in a consistent fashion. Beginning to end, everything sort of giving the same treatment.
@@creategreatness8823 same. I’ve only watched a portion of OG due to only having access to crappy quality versions and not really liking the dvd releases. But Toei seems to be determined to stick their heads in the mud and refuse to use good tools/resources to remaster OG.
One thing I wish it showed was Tien's blast to Nappa. Another heavy point for the Z dub. Well he didn't say the attack name, Burgmeier nailed that scene in the first go. And honestly, Tien yelling out of frustration made way more sense because he obvious couldn't think straight.
Kai is clearly made more for children as indicated by the overuse of musical cues and dialogue that's more focused on setting up the story than deepening the characters, which flattens emotional impact by telling you how to feel about what's happening on-screen and why so it can save time. In contrast, the Z dialogue tells you more how the characters feel and what they want, with understated music that lets you feel everything on your own. Reminds me of how the most talented directors use music sparingly because they don't need it. These audio choices makes the scenes hit harder, especially the action. Also, Z Goku's lines sound tougher and more confident. I don't think this betrays his "character development" or arc because when Goku has to fight he literally becomes a different, more focused person. His lack of sounding exhausted or tired indicates his mastery of Qi compared to his overly eager enemies like early Vegeta.
The musical cues in this video aren’t accurate, he played a different score on top of the Kai dialogue (probably for copyright reasons). Also, the idea that Kai is more for kids is ridiculous. Most people think this because of the NickToons version, but if you watch the uncut Blu-ray Kai you’ll see it’s much more mature than any other version of Z. Hard to say it’s “clearly made for children” when they drop “damn” “bastard” and “ass” every other episode. Also, about the dialogue not deepening the characters, I’ll give you credit for that one. The Kai dialogue adheres closer to the manga, and as much as I love Toriyama he wasn’t always the strongest writer. In regard to the actual written dialogue original DBZ dub fleshed characters out far more than Toriyama did.
I could’ve sworn I heard the track “To Those Who Meet Their End” for Yamcha’s death. Was that another one of Yamamoto’s plagiarisms? Edit: I should’ve read the pinned 💀
As much as I love the Z Faulconer score, and a number of the epic moments/speeches in Z are stronger....and Z is a meme factory....it is hard for "score, some speeches, and memes" to justify 124 additional episodes of content for the overall show. Especially when that 124 additional episodes of content is almost entirely filler...a good portion of which creat continuity issues. And compounded by the fact that the OVERALL dub for Z is not only of an overall lower level of performance and accuracy, but it is also a more inconsistent Dub. Because Zs performances and Dub evolved over time, and then early portions were later redubbed or revised to various degrees...the final result for the full 291 episodes is actually quite inconsistent in quality of performance within itself. The advantages Z has over Kai are hard to use to justify the extra 124 episodes. A dub that is SOMETIMES better but generally worse performed and less accurate to the source material, as well as being less consistent within itself. A score that is overall cooler A ton of filler. Kai is the version that is much more consistent within itself AND is also incredibly consistent with Super. Considering that The Final Chapters also goes to 16x9 and has the Sumitomo score...that makes it EVEN MORE of a transition to Super which is 16x9 and has a Sumitomo score. My heart will always prefer aspects of Z, but there is no way to logically argue for it.
I kinda agree with you. It's FunnyMation's fault, that they gave only the first two sagas the "Ultimate Uncut" treatment.. while giving less treatment for the later sagas. Either 1) redub all the way through 2) Emulate the 1999 emulations of the ocean Dub cast, or 3) Leave the sagas/series TF ALONE, and NOT advertise your product as "consistent" if you're not actually going to be consistent ! FunnyMation always trying to ice skate uphill 😒
I'm gonna have to disagree by far OG Z is way better in comparison, the second point you awarded Kai should've went to Z as it shows how much he cares for Gohan. It still conveys that Krillin and him are best friends even more so. He wouldn't just be asking just anybody to watch over his child, it would be his best friend. It still shows just how much of bond him and Krillin. Still goodish video, I can tell you put some hard work into it. Keep it up
When it comes to saiyan saga, i will always prefer the og z. Frieza saga goes to kai easily. Cell saga is a tough toss but overall gohans voice in Z takes the edge. Buu saga is a mix. Cant decide honestly.
Idk the track but I think it's from the faulconer score. I think the same song plays when goku sacrifices himself against cell so maybe they'll make it easier to find
OK let me clear something up Goku’s official power level according to the Dragon Ball Densu was 8000 not 9000 the first dub in Dragon Ball Z made a mistake
It's actually because the writers for the ocean dub thought that over 9000 fit better with the lip movement, and the writers at funimation when they were making the orange bricks wanted the voice acting to be more consistent with the later arcs, but they stuck faithfully to the original lines of the ocean dub(most of the time), could be wrong tho so correct me if I'm wrong 😅
I disagree with a lot of things. The "Over 9,000" from Z here is not the Ocean Dub, and both the non-Ocean Z and Kai say "Over 9,000", so I don't know why you gave that point to Z automatically without any comment, unless you don't know the difference between that and the Ocean dub. In fact, Kai mimics the Ocean Dub better (if you are into that, and if you're not, you need to explain, because your choice went without any explanation. No mention was made that Goku's chest in Kai (at 4:20) was slightly bruised, and in DBZ, it was a gaping hole, as it should be. This alone ruins that scene for Kai, no matter what else happens. Those are just of the two more obvious examples where I disagree.
I prefer kai, but the raditz fight losing blood + the huge hole in gokus chest disappoints me. Especially bc the kai version has much better dialogue after.
I get you man But naw that Kamehameha vs Galick Gun scene is perfect in Z for me Mainly because of the x4 scene King Kai told him not to go over a double. He's already at x3. Then he decides to go x4 I really love the pause of Goku thinking "I have to take it further..." Screaming: "KAIOKEEEEEEEN.." Cut to King Kai: "NO! GOKU!" Cut back to Goku: "TIMES FOOOUUURRR!!" THAT TIMING WITH THE EXPLOSION IS SO HYPE I'M POPPIN OFF JUST TYPING IT OUT
Ocean for the win! (never actually saw kai! Or any funi dub of the saiyan saga, so i can't vote) But it was interesting seeing the differences and similarities
@@KeyReviewsOfficial any home dvd or bluray of dbz has the ocean dub on it. they are still not as good as the original broadcasts but the closest you will likely get.
For some Kai clips, it has the Faulconer from Z. That’s a fan-edit. If I ever do a video like this, I’m sticking to official releases to avoid problems like this. (This isn’t me trying to make fun of you or trying to ridicule you or be rude in any way. I’m just telling you)
Personally, I refuse to watch Kai, Mainly because of all the censoring. Goku had a beam go through his chest and Kai made it a damn burn mark... It's a shame you couldn't find the copy of Kai with the correct music. On the first comparison, I was about to call BS when I heard the Bruce Faulconer music coming from Kai :P but then I saw your pinned comment. The script for Vegeta's sacrifice and his speech at the tournament arena is the reason the original dub will always be superior for me personally, and I literally can't watch DBZ without the Bruce Faulconer tracks.
@XPGaming3 i have a video on the buu saga with his sacrifice speech and imo I think the kai version nailed it. You can decide which music you like more but the dialogue is really good in both regardless
@@KeyReviewsOfficial Yeah, I checked it out. There are 2 reasons I prefer the original version of Vegeta's sacrifice, Vegeta says "You are my only son and yet I haven't held you once since you were a baby have I" In this context it sounds like Vegeta has never shown any affection towards Trunks at all and now he is regretting all the lost time he could have had with Trunks. then tells him "You've made me proud, my son" This feels like such a huge moment for Vegeta, not thinking about himself for a change. But in the Kai version, he says "I have never once hugged you" In this context, it sounds more like he just never hugged him. then Vegeta says "Take care Trunks, alright" This feels a bit of a hollow thing to say in a vulnerable moment for Vegeta. I think Vegeta telling Trunks he is proud of him is so much more impactful for Vegeta's character development. Secondly, Piccolo telling Vegeta what will happen to him in the Kai version is interesting but I don't think Vegeta would care to hear that when Buu is walking closer and closer to him. In the original dub Piccolo just told him straight up, Goku did good things and that Vegeta had only caused pain to others. I feel like the blunt response to Vegeta only made his acceptance more Impactful when he doesn't know what will happen to him when he dies. However, I do agree that Vegeta's eyes twitching when Piccolo says he won't see Goku was a really good touch. I don't mean to knock Kai I just find the original script to be more raw and unfiltered, and the more Anime I watch the more I have come to hate censoring. I hope I didn't come across aggressive in this comment or the last one :P
What is up with your side by sides? The music for Kai just isn’t correct at all. Also the music choice for your commentary is just weird it doesn’t fit the topic at all.
Overall z sounds the best on average espevialy with faulcner score it just fits bettere even ki uses faylcner score here. Also the conversarion in dbz is how real people talk while evrything in dbkai is shakespearon like a script play .that is not how normal people talk. In kai he replies to whats happening instead of no you cant which is replying to a conversation. Conversations in dbz are just more natural in that context
@@KeyReviewsOfficialI prefer the official Kikuchi score for Kai even though it is repetitive, but so was Yamamoto's score for the Saiyan and Namek arcs. Either one you choose is fine.
Only issue with this video is that faulconer score is in Kai. Doesn't fit at all. And to remind me, the Saiyan Saga was REDUBBED for the dvd's. This wasn't the original Funimation dub Sayian Saga. IT was considerably worse. As a result, this redub sayian Saga is much closer to Dbz Kai than the original dub.
I prefer Z no matter what, Kai did good on certain screams/ Dub/Accurate to manga But Z as it’s own thing is still as good, Z has cool screams and it’s own dialogue and the SOUNDTRACKS MY GOD bring them back, Kai ones are good (I can’t lie I never listened to 65% of the Kai soundtracks and I dislike the jingle bells and prefer drum stick and guitar techno, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t good it’s just not my taste, I’m sure millions love the Kai soundtracks) I can agree certain scenes early along we’re pretty bad but I prefer the dialogue not the voice acting)
@@KeyReviewsOfficialFrom the start of the video I had a feeling you were gonna say Kai is better, but watching the whole video , you did play fair with the original vs the kai
The dbz kai version has different music because we couldn't figure out how to get the regular kai version but the dialogue is still the same. If you watched Kai before you know what the music sounds like in these scenes but let me know which dub you would've picked for each scene.
Too bad you couldn’t find the Yamamoto music for Kai. But it’s so difficult to find those clips now.
Why does it sound like you flipped the Kai and z music for thr scenes
You can use this for the rest of the series of these @keyreviews
@@boombox3162 you like this version?
@@BC21beats I didnt its a different version of kai since we couldn't find the original version at the time
Everyone talks about how Yamcha dies to a Saiberman but NOBODY talks about how everyone just watches their friend die...
Also an improvement the anime made over the manga, as the Kame House group’s reaction isn’t in Toriyama’s original writing. It really helps add to the drama of the scene.
Really loved this video! Definitely the best DBZ vs Kai comparison I've found. I'm hoping you make more videos for the other Sagas as well!
Already working on part 2!
I prefer Kai overall but I like when Piccolo said “it’s over” before Yamchas death…. It was much more ominous for me lol.
Puar’s VA’s performance when Yamaha died in Kai is fucking incredible oh my lord
The Kai dub wins by default for having better performances as well as more accurate scripts and translations.
And removing filler like the garlic saga
@@Phoenix_Blader_93but unfortunately removing the driving license episode
Idc about the manga though
@@GabiN64 the comment didn't say anything about the manga though, you did.
Kai isn't very good.
If we're talking dub, Kai easily. If it's sub, then Z.
Agreed
Dub is also Z
I grew up with the original Dragon Ball Z as well but I have to say that Dragon Ball Kai had the better dialogue because the voice actor over the years had improve. Plus the english dubbed was more faithful to the manga and the Japanese counterpart. In DBZ Kai it's also a lot more swearing😂 lol!
That was one of my gripes with Kai. I enjoy it more than the Z dub but Goku saying "See you in hell Freeza!" sounds very out of character for him. They sometimes made him swear so he'd sound cooler or more pissed off but it just didn't fit Goku
@13:51 glad to know that I'm not the only one of the Dragon Ball fans that grew up watching this version of Dragon Ball Z.
Used to be so excited to watch the new episode 😂
@@KeyReviewsOfficial Same here!!! Especially when Goku first turned Super Saiyan, the CHILLS
Looking forward to seeing this!
I watched Z first with the OG Funimation dub, so it will be nice to see more from this. :)
13:41 it's over 9000 line in the ocean dub by Brian Drummond was the beat for me.
I do have the say: the moment where Gohan bursts out of the space pod, demonstrates his hidden power, and headbutts Raditz in the chest is way more epic to me in Z.
"Gohan wants his hat back" playing in the background, the genuine terror and bewilderment in Raditz' voice with his scouter reading ("Power level 1370?! Impossible for a kid! And... it's still going up!!"), and how much more painful it sounds when Raditz is struck. He's outright _screaming._
I also think the delivery of "Leave my dad.... **ALOOOOOOOONE!!!**" with Gohan's burst of power was more intense than Kai's counterpart.
Thanks to Stephanie Maholodgnhy 🔥
I was very confused about the Faulconer score on the Kai dub, but I didn’t hate it. At all.
Interestingly, this is probably closer than comps for other sagas will be because the Funimation dub of the Saiyan & Namek Sagas actually came out last, after GT even if I remember right. So the actors were all VERY settled in at least and they might have switched to digital recording by then allowing for more takes like they had in Kai. Of course if this were the actual original dub from Ocean Group this would be a sweep almost for Kai lol
Kai dub + Bruce Faulconer score = fucking perfection
i need that version
For sure
Yo we need that.
I agree just not every scene cuz some scenes r perfect the way they are in kai.
Honestly it had me confused for a second.
The thing is, "8000" was the correct number, the one from the original manga. The DBZ version screwed it up, and Kai got it right.
Honestly, they should’ve kept it in Kai. 9,000 feels more impactful, and it’s more memorable in the eyes of the Western fandom anyway. Hell, “over 8,000” could just mean 9,000 for all we know.
@@thefilmwatcher1302 it couldn't, because Vegeta's power level was around 18,000 in the Saiyan Saga, which is why Goku still wasn't stronger than him with one Kaio-Ken. If Goku's power level was 9,000 one Kaio-Ken would have been enough to match Vegeta. Only after going x3 did Goku become stronger. And the reason he needed to go x4 against the Galick Gun is because the Galick Gun is stronger than the regular Kame-hame-ha.
@@thefilmwatcher1302 The point of Kai was for it to be more accurate. This wouldn't have been accurate.
The Kai dub just has better delivery and timing compared to the Z dub. I feel like all the voice actors who stayed the same across both dubs are objectively more skilled now, which makes it much easier to listen to imo.
Love your content be happy to see you compare the rest of dbz
Appreciate the support man 🤝
W vid as always
In the Original DBZ and manga, before the farmer can say a word to Raditz, Raditz says “These creatures in this planet are still alive. Kakarot has failed us!” and “So… the inhabitants of this world are still alive. Curse that Kakarrot!”
But in DBZ Kai, Raditz didn’t say that at all after arriving.
In the Kamehameha and galick gun clash, it seems that the sonic boom that is produced at the end is always forgotten in other media.
Why do the Kai clips have Bruce Faulconer music?
You can find episodes of Kai with the Faulconer score online. They're fanmade but are are so well put together they may as well be official.
@@stephratFaulconer score just sucked.
great video!
i enjoy listening to your channel while im working!!
Haha appreciate you man!!
Idk why goku said Kamehameha quickly and then do it slowly.
bc hes hurt and he used hella alot of ki
I agree with most of these. Good video do more of these 👍🏽
Thank you! I probably will
It’s funny how many people complain about Goku’s reason for letting Vegeta go because he wants to fighting him again, instead of believing that there is good in him, when people forget that Kai depict Goku’s character, while Z dub’s Goku is taking the persona of Superman
Serious question, you've compared the scores, even had several of your ratings ultimately be dictated by the scores, but where are you getting THIS score of DBZK from? The Kai dub you're using is literally using the Bruce Falconer OST which belongs to DBZ, NOT DBZK. I've listened to the Yamato and the rerelease that used the original DBZ score (the score that's used in many of the DBZ clips you used) and I've never heard the Bruce Falconer music that's used in your DBZK clips.
That seems intentionally unfair
Plus you gave DBZ a point just cause it had "it's over 9000" as a line despite it not being manga accurate and you yourself admiring it wasn't as well performed
Dbz is just better its more natural
@@wingedhussar1453 false
@@stokilo18 in kai they sound scripted and dialogue is over stuffed .its not a natural conversation. Sounds like a shaspearan play in kai half the time.its annoying
@@wingedhussar1453 id rather a script that's far more accurate to the source material and all of the corny, cheesiness that is the original. "
Ally to good, nightmare to you"
Or Vegeta saying things like "great galaxy"
Yea... Cause that's so much more natural than using big words
@@stokilo18 the overblown kai script makes it sound corny
We need a version with Kai’s animation and dub…but has the Z soundtrack of Faulconer
Even though some of the scenes in Kai (Vegeta offering Goku / kamehameha over powering the Galick gun) had the Faulconer score
13:51 - 14:26 That line was so good in Kai in Nicktoons 😮😮
18:49 Z version is really not the original. if you can find the ocean dub version, watch that.
I grew up with both dubs, and I always find kai to be the superior dub. But there were admittedly some scenes that dbz dub did better. This video gave me a little more appreciation for the dbz dub (at least for the Saiyan saga).
People hate on Z for no reason. I’ve literally just watched both back to back and Kai just does not deliver on so many key scenes like Z did. It’s superior for me but everyone is entitled to their opinions.
@@enzog1078I'd say it's the other way around, where more of the hate goes towards kai just because of nostalgia. That's not the case for me, my sister, and most of my friends. Z is fine, but I prefer kai.
Awesome video man, although it sounds like this version of Kai has the Faulconer score which is very interesting, where did you find it? And could we get a link to it, I personally think Kai dialogue with Faulconer music is peak.
I wish that Kai had gone all the way back to the beginning and started at the beginning of the original Dragon Ball and gone all the way to the end of Z.
So that way we would have a streamlined and consistent version of the ENTIRE original series prior to Super.
They even could have given it a more marketable American title like "Dragon Ball Rise" or something.
I oddly agree with you.
It's what the Ultimate Uncuts/Orange Bricks SHOULD HAVE been,
In regards to "consistency".
Knowing that they stopped remastering at Cell and had to be convinced by fans to actually do the Buu saga years later, they probably would've given up half way through OG Dragon Ball and we would've had an incomplete remaster.
@@wholockedholmes Yeah...I'd just love to see some sort of "remaster" or "restoration" of the series that actually covers it start to finish in a consistent fashion. Beginning to end, everything sort of giving the same treatment.
@@creategreatness8823 same. I’ve only watched a portion of OG due to only having access to crappy quality versions and not really liking the dvd releases. But Toei seems to be determined to stick their heads in the mud and refuse to use good tools/resources to remaster OG.
I love the nicktoons "over 9000" delivery its sooooo good, I wish it was the same for kai or Z, its what i always reference
Goku's death honestly looked kind of dumb in Z kai. The wound looked like it was Justa big bruise and not an actualy hole in his chest
That's because that's not the uncut version.
@@robertrogers074nah, even in the uncut version, he had the bruise. My guess is just censorship that Japan had at the time
DBZ aired Wednesdays at 7PM on Fuji TV where as Kai aired Sundays at 9AM on Fuji TV
Kai airing as part Sunday morning kids block required edits that DBZ as part of the Primetime schedule did not
One thing I wish it showed was Tien's blast to Nappa. Another heavy point for the Z dub. Well he didn't say the attack name, Burgmeier nailed that scene in the first go. And honestly, Tien yelling out of frustration made way more sense because he obvious couldn't think straight.
Kai is clearly made more for children as indicated by the overuse of musical cues and dialogue that's more focused on setting up the story than deepening the characters, which flattens emotional impact by telling you how to feel about what's happening on-screen and why so it can save time. In contrast, the Z dialogue tells you more how the characters feel and what they want, with understated music that lets you feel everything on your own. Reminds me of how the most talented directors use music sparingly because they don't need it. These audio choices makes the scenes hit harder, especially the action. Also, Z Goku's lines sound tougher and more confident. I don't think this betrays his "character development" or arc because when Goku has to fight he literally becomes a different, more focused person. His lack of sounding exhausted or tired indicates his mastery of Qi compared to his overly eager enemies like early Vegeta.
The musical cues in this video aren’t accurate, he played a different score on top of the Kai dialogue (probably for copyright reasons).
Also, the idea that Kai is more for kids is ridiculous. Most people think this because of the NickToons version, but if you watch the uncut Blu-ray Kai you’ll see it’s much more mature than any other version of Z. Hard to say it’s “clearly made for children” when they drop “damn” “bastard” and “ass” every other episode.
Also, about the dialogue not deepening the characters, I’ll give you credit for that one. The Kai dialogue adheres closer to the manga, and as much as I love Toriyama he wasn’t always the strongest writer. In regard to the actual written dialogue original DBZ dub fleshed characters out far more than Toriyama did.
The English Z Dub isn't Even accurate, those aren't the pure version of the characters.
In my opinion i miss the iconic way the over 9000 line goes and im talking about the one that was heavily memed
That’s Kai
Banger!!!
I could’ve sworn I heard the track “To Those Who Meet Their End” for Yamcha’s death. Was that another one of Yamamoto’s plagiarisms?
Edit: I should’ve read the pinned 💀
For kai or z?
@@KeyReviewsOfficial Kai
@@chrism.1749 the kai version in this video has the faulconer soundtrack on it
lol needed subtitles after my hearing was destroyed by the first few seconds of this video
😭😭😭
is the sub version possible for a future comparison as well?
As much as I love the Z Faulconer score, and a number of the epic moments/speeches in Z are stronger....and Z is a meme factory....it is hard for "score, some speeches, and memes" to justify 124 additional episodes of content for the overall show.
Especially when that 124 additional episodes of content is almost entirely filler...a good portion of which creat continuity issues.
And compounded by the fact that the OVERALL dub for Z is not only of an overall lower level of performance and accuracy, but it is also a more inconsistent Dub.
Because Zs performances and Dub evolved over time, and then early portions were later redubbed or revised to various degrees...the final result for the full 291 episodes is actually quite inconsistent in quality of performance within itself.
The advantages Z has over Kai are hard to use to justify the extra 124 episodes.
A dub that is SOMETIMES better but generally worse performed and less accurate to the source material, as well as being less consistent within itself.
A score that is overall cooler
A ton of filler.
Kai is the version that is much more consistent within itself AND is also incredibly consistent with Super.
Considering that The Final Chapters also goes to 16x9 and has the Sumitomo score...that makes it EVEN MORE of a transition to Super which is 16x9 and has a Sumitomo score.
My heart will always prefer aspects of Z, but there is no way to logically argue for it.
I kinda agree with you.
It's FunnyMation's fault, that they gave only the first two sagas the "Ultimate Uncut" treatment.. while giving less treatment for the later sagas.
Either
1) redub all the way through
2) Emulate the 1999 emulations of the ocean Dub cast, or
3) Leave the sagas/series TF ALONE, and NOT advertise your product as "consistent" if you're not actually going to be consistent !
FunnyMation always trying to ice skate uphill 😒
First great vid
Thank you :)
I've never seen the Kai Version because to me it is just a remake of the original one
wish he would've reviewed the ocean dub of over 9000, thats the peak version
What is the name of the song played at 0:54
When goku and vegeta were talking before their fight their dialogue was pretty similar to the manga and im talking about thet kai dub
You should add DBZA to these comparisons to mess with your editor
11:20 have you ever seen the the ocean dub from the '90s?
Need more of these.
Ocean Dub forever for the Goku/Vegeta beam battle
I’d say I’d prefer Kai over the og dub except for vegito Vs buuhan, and I’m just used to kid gohans og voice actor.
As someone who grew up with both dubs, I definitely have to go with Kai.
I'm gonna have to disagree by far OG Z is way better in comparison, the second point you awarded Kai should've went to Z as it shows how much he cares for Gohan. It still conveys that Krillin and him are best friends even more so. He wouldn't just be asking just anybody to watch over his child, it would be his best friend. It still shows just how much of bond him and Krillin. Still goodish video, I can tell you put some hard work into it. Keep it up
I just liked dbz bc it looked more realistic
When it comes to saiyan saga, i will always prefer the og z. Frieza saga goes to kai easily. Cell saga is a tough toss but overall gohans voice in Z takes the edge. Buu saga is a mix. Cant decide honestly.
Exactly Kai is the best way to watch the Frieza and namek saga
Buddy, you have to check out the ocean dub
WH… HOW DID YOU GET DBZKAI WITH THE FAULCONER SCORE… I NEED THAT VERSION
They might have some online, made by fans.
chat gpt talk
What about the ocean dub?
Please please please soneone tell me the title of the track that starts at 1:25
Idk the track but I think it's from the faulconer score. I think the same song plays when goku sacrifices himself against cell so maybe they'll make it easier to find
Thanks buddy 🙌
Put gokus sacrifice intrumental
OK let me clear something up Goku’s official power level according to the Dragon Ball Densu was 8000 not 9000 the first dub in Dragon Ball Z made a mistake
It's actually because the writers for the ocean dub thought that over 9000 fit better with the lip movement, and the writers at funimation when they were making the orange bricks wanted the voice acting to be more consistent with the later arcs, but they stuck faithfully to the original lines of the ocean dub(most of the time), could be wrong tho so
correct me if I'm wrong 😅
Not even mentioning the over 9000 ocean dub is Crazy
9:50 What I Supposed To Tell Poar And Bulma Huh
Sous Titre: What I Supposed To Tell P*rn Bulma Huh 💀
I disagree with a lot of things. The "Over 9,000" from Z here is not the Ocean Dub, and both the non-Ocean Z and Kai say "Over 9,000", so I don't know why you gave that point to Z automatically without any comment, unless you don't know the difference between that and the Ocean dub. In fact, Kai mimics the Ocean Dub better (if you are into that, and if you're not, you need to explain, because your choice went without any explanation.
No mention was made that Goku's chest in Kai (at 4:20) was slightly bruised, and in DBZ, it was a gaping hole, as it should be. This alone ruins that scene for Kai, no matter what else happens.
Those are just of the two more obvious examples where I disagree.
Over 9,000 was only used in the TV versions. The uncut version uses 8,000.
Kai has the uncensored scene hes using the censored one for some reason. Kai uncensored is so much better
@@eliravioli It would be nice to have that. I watched a version of Kai, and it was unfortunately censored.
@@Rationalific its on Hulu. I also have the uncensored dvds
@@eliravioli 👍
I prefer kai, but the raditz fight losing blood + the huge hole in gokus chest disappoints me. Especially bc the kai version has much better dialogue after.
As someone who grew up with the Bruce soundtrack, it feels rather jarring in Kai.
I get you man
But naw that Kamehameha vs Galick Gun scene is perfect in Z for me
Mainly because of the x4 scene
King Kai told him not to go over a double. He's already at x3.
Then he decides to go x4
I really love the pause of Goku thinking
"I have to take it further..."
Screaming: "KAIOKEEEEEEEN.."
Cut to King Kai: "NO! GOKU!"
Cut back to Goku: "TIMES FOOOUUURRR!!"
THAT TIMING WITH THE EXPLOSION IS SO HYPE
I'M POPPIN OFF JUST TYPING IT OUT
LETS GOOOOO lmao I’m right there with you
Ocean for the win! (never actually saw kai! Or any funi dub of the saiyan saga, so i can't vote)
But it was interesting seeing the differences and similarities
I need to watch it at some point but idk where to find it 😂
@@KeyReviewsOfficial Try searching archive ocean/westwood dub collection.
@@KeyReviewsOfficial any home dvd or bluray of dbz has the ocean dub on it. they are still not as good as the original broadcasts but the closest you will likely get.
@@KeyReviewsOfficial archive
For some Kai clips, it has the Faulconer from Z. That’s a fan-edit. If I ever do a video like this, I’m sticking to official releases to avoid problems like this. (This isn’t me trying to make fun of you or trying to ridicule you or be rude in any way. I’m just telling you)
@Jaysterrr Pinned comment. When I made this video I couldn't find the proper kai music until I did the frieza version
@ Ok. Sorry if I came off as rude. That wasn’t my intention.
@@Jaysterrr Lol no you're good
Bro how do you beat Kai’s “It’s over 9000!!”
22:31 - 23:43 Well said
Ocean Dub for the win
15:26 Kai has the faulconer score?
No. It’s a fan-edit
I agree with mostly everything else, but putting Z over Kai in the 9000 scene is crazy when 9000 is the WRONG NUMBER 😂
Personally, I refuse to watch Kai, Mainly because of all the censoring. Goku had a beam go through his chest and Kai made it a damn burn mark... It's a shame you couldn't find the copy of Kai with the correct music. On the first comparison, I was about to call BS when I heard the Bruce Faulconer music coming from Kai :P but then I saw your pinned comment. The script for Vegeta's sacrifice and his speech at the tournament arena is the reason the original dub will always be superior for me personally, and I literally can't watch DBZ without the Bruce Faulconer tracks.
@XPGaming3 i have a video on the buu saga with his sacrifice speech and imo I think the kai version nailed it. You can decide which music you like more but the dialogue is really good in both regardless
@@KeyReviewsOfficial Yeah, I checked it out. There are 2 reasons I prefer the original version of Vegeta's sacrifice, Vegeta says "You are my only son and yet I haven't held you once since you were a baby have I" In this context it sounds like Vegeta has never shown any affection towards Trunks at all and now he is regretting all the lost time he could have had with Trunks. then tells him "You've made me proud, my son" This feels like such a huge moment for Vegeta, not thinking about himself for a change. But in the Kai version, he says "I have never once hugged you" In this context, it sounds more like he just never hugged him. then Vegeta says "Take care Trunks, alright" This feels a bit of a hollow thing to say in a vulnerable moment for Vegeta. I think Vegeta telling Trunks he is proud of him is so much more impactful for Vegeta's character development. Secondly, Piccolo telling Vegeta what will happen to him in the Kai version is interesting but I don't think Vegeta would care to hear that when Buu is walking closer and closer to him. In the original dub Piccolo just told him straight up, Goku did good things and that Vegeta had only caused pain to others. I feel like the blunt response to Vegeta only made his acceptance more Impactful when he doesn't know what will happen to him when he dies. However, I do agree that Vegeta's eyes twitching when Piccolo says he won't see Goku was a really good touch. I don't mean to knock Kai I just find the original script to be more raw and unfiltered, and the more Anime I watch the more I have come to hate censoring. I hope I didn't come across aggressive in this comment or the last one :P
What is up with your side by sides? The music for Kai just isn’t correct at all. Also the music choice for your commentary is just weird it doesn’t fit the topic at all.
Look at the pinned comment. Problem was fixed for the frieza dub comparison
17:56 - 21:13 Very true
Why did you show the censored version of Goku's death? Kai with the original Kakuchi score is amazing.
Couldn't find any other version.
@@KeyReviewsOfficial I was just assuming you were going to use the uncut DVD.
@@bowserbreaker2515 Goku’s wound was changed to look like a bruise, even in the uncut version.
@@Jaysterrr Oh.
Overall z sounds the best on average espevialy with faulcner score it just fits bettere even ki uses faylcner score here. Also the conversarion in dbz is how real people talk while evrything in dbkai is shakespearon like a script play .that is not how normal people talk. In kai he replies to whats happening instead of no you cant which is replying to a conversation. Conversations in dbz are just more natural in that context
Age really plays into the like of original or kai. I personally love the original the best.
Vegeta look: a pokemon!
Goku and vegetas standoff in kai is just exposition for bardock
original japanese is still better.
Speaking Facts.
💯
Nah
Awesome DBZ dubs!
Kai dub is better
The falconer score is so unserious. They just play little 5 second random clown shoes tracks in the middle of emotional or serious scenes
it's over 8000 was so good...
Nah the 2 before the last one were definitely better in Z, that’s a wild take to say they’re clearly better in Kai 😂 The original hit just fine
How is Goku wanting to spare Vegeta to be merciful good?
dbz Kai over 9000 is better than the dbz one.
Bruh everyone in the comments be fr Kai is NOT better than Dbz 😂im starting to think it’s seven year olds in the comments 🤣🤣
Z all day
Also. It’s odd that Faulconer music is on top of Kai footage. Lol 😂
I was surprised too 😂 I guess there's a kai version out there with faulconers music
@@KeyReviewsOfficial Yeah I guess so. Will you do this with the Frieza Saga? Hopefully they have more Yamamoto music for Frieza Saga available
@@blue_wolfproductions12 I probably will. Im going to try and find a way to get clips from the regular version of kai for that tho
@@KeyReviewsOfficialI prefer the official Kikuchi score for Kai even though it is repetitive, but so was Yamamoto's score for the Saiyan and Namek arcs. Either one you choose is fine.
@@KeyReviewsOfficial it's probably fan made 🤔
Only issue with this video is that faulconer score is in Kai. Doesn't fit at all. And to remind me, the Saiyan Saga was REDUBBED for the dvd's. This wasn't the original Funimation dub Sayian Saga. IT was considerably worse. As a result, this redub sayian Saga is much closer to Dbz Kai than the original dub.
He used a fan-edit for some scenes in Kai that has the Faulconer
Z kai is more manga accurate than the orginal Z so i would watch it just cause it's manga accurate but for fun I'd just watch the orginal Z
I prefer Z no matter what, Kai did good on certain screams/ Dub/Accurate to manga But Z as it’s own thing is still as good, Z has cool screams and it’s own dialogue and the SOUNDTRACKS MY GOD bring them back, Kai ones are good (I can’t lie I never listened to 65% of the Kai soundtracks and I dislike the jingle bells and prefer drum stick and guitar techno, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t good it’s just not my taste, I’m sure millions love the Kai soundtracks) I can agree certain scenes early along we’re pretty bad but I prefer the dialogue not the voice acting)
TFS clears 👀
Why do i feel you will choose the Kai version ....
Huh
@@KeyReviewsOfficialFrom the start of the video I had a feeling you were gonna say Kai is better, but watching the whole video , you did play fair with the original vs the kai
This is gonna be in kai faver bruh he say i seen kai as kid and a kid Nostalgia is gonna to over power Everything
Well watch and see for yourself
You saw the ocean dub ?
I havent
@@KeyReviewsOfficial your view would be interesting because for you it's after Funimation and Kai dub.
TFS is the best Dub