btw i personally think yamcha's best saga was the emperor pilaf saga, he was the only main side character in the show that was at goku's level or above, was an actual threat (like getting rid of their ride, only to give them a ride because he was a simp), had character development by losing his fear of women and had someone who was in love with him because after the tournament saga yamcha is not her boyfriend anymore and he'd lost to jackie chun, the person that beat goku in the finals and they beat yamcha like he was nothing (a bit like tien's story in the 22nd world tournament saga) and after that saga his next appearance was the end of the red ribbon saga and he was cast aside at the 22nd world tournament because of tien and only appeared so we could see his thoughts on the fight, his next appearance was to be almost killed by tambourine in the piccolo saga and to lose to kame who was dressed as hero and the fact goku was the only one who knew it was kame made the fact yamcha lost to a skinny guy with jackie chun's cut in his 30s just felt unfair, not like jackie chun because he was said to actually be a good fighter, and z was downhill from there, saiyan saga being the last arc where he landed an attack
I don't agree that Vegeta's lowest point was is Resurrection of F. I think it's Cell Saga. He did his best to let Cell become stronger and absorb the Androids because of his selfishness and desire to become stronger. And he didn't behave in the best way and pursued his own interests and didn't care about others. But the best of course Buu Saga. Peak of his character development.
I personally don’t think his arc in the Buu Saga would’ve hit as hard as it did if it wasn’t for his selfishness in the Cell arc. He is primarily motivated in the Buu Saga by his regrets from the Android/Cell Saga(and as always wanting to fight Goku). I agree he is an ass in the Cell Saga but I think it was absolutely need for the character’s sacrifice and redemption against Majin Buu. Imo
Vegeta at that time was still a villain he outright said he planned to kill goku. which the large majority of ppl forgot or ignore. Yea no surprise he’s selfish, and only cares about himself and his wants. ROF was just downright a slap to vegeta as a character but also to the fans
Dumb take honestly, Vegeta in resurrection of F has no screen time, oneshots Tagoma and his moment of glory and revenge gets stolen by Goku just because they wanted to show a plot device, Whis's ability to rewind time, which could have been done better. The things you mention for Vegeta aren't bad things, they are things that alines with his character, he is an anti-hero in that arc that after ascending the super saiyan has an oversized ego that leads him to make risky choices. And remember without Krilin mistake to destroy c18 or Vegeta's Pride we wouldn't have had Perfect Cell and Gohan ssj2. And in any case there are many great scenes like him bullying second form cell, Final Flash or Vegeta's reflection in the rain. in short Vegeta from Cell Saga is a cut above the resurrection one and it's not even his fault, so never cook again
That's not what the video means by "lowest" point. Cell saga having Vegeta be the worst ally is good writing to show how much Vegeta acquiring Super Saiyan affected his ego and the story punishes him as a result.
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For me: - Goku: Namek/Freeza arc. Something about the way he’s written in that arc-with the context of the conflict between Freeza and the Saiyans behind him-just makes him so amazing there. Not to mention the Super Saiyan moment is possibly the single most iconic moment in anime history. - Vegeta: Namek/Freeza arc. I love Majin Vegeta and Vegeta being Goku’s rival as much as the next guy, but personally, Vegeta is best when he’s three steps ahead of everybody. He was daring, he was tactical, he wasn’t afraid to fight dirty, and he was willing to team up with-and use-the heroes for his own ends. The fact that he basically refused to lose until the very end puts his moments in this arc above every Final Flash, Final Explosion, and final rage moment he has after. - Piccolo: Saiyan arc. The Demon King Piccolo arc was really good, especially in the anime, and it’s through that context which Piccolo’s arc works. It’s no surprise that he and Gohan form the best combo in the entire series, and his story in the Saiyan arc specifically is just classic character growth. And every moment he has after just builds on that, such as merging with Nail against Freeza or merging with Earth’s God against Cell. - Tenshinhan: Demon King Piccolo arc. The 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai arc set up Ten’s character arc, but it came to a head in the King Piccolo arc. Then it has that wonderful closer in the fight with Cyborg Tao Pai Pai in the next tournament. - Gohan: Namek/Freeza arc. I typically find Gohan to be pretty bland on his own, but his best arc by far was when he went from a whiny little kid scared to even leave Goku’s arms to fearlessly risking his life to go to an alien planet and fight the most dangerous people there were at the time. That to me makes him the character he is, not the moment against Cell. - Krillin: Namek/Freeza arc. I find him to be pretty eh in OG DB, and he’s pretty good in the Saiyan arc, but this arc specifically made him so…cool. I dunno, I just like characters who lead and take charge when the chips are down. Plus, unlike a lot of the other characters even back when they were written well, he’s _smart._ - Yamcha: Pilaf arc or 21st Tenkaichi Budoukai arc. He was so cool in these two; he was the guy getting things done. Plus, he actually has a good bit of character growth and a creative moveset. Z, to put it frankly, completely ruined him. - Chaozu: 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai arc. This is the only arc in which he did things. He solely exists afterward as a source of emotional turmoil for Tenshinhan. - Future Trunks: Cell arc. His story and character are so next level that it makes me wonder if he was written by someone other than Toriyama, especially with the overall quality of this arc.
Now for worst, since this is apparently a worst list as well. - Goku: Goku Black arc. That is my personal least favorite arc in the entire franchise, and Goku being written so monumentally dumbly doesn’t exactly improve it. At least, the anime version. - Vegeta: Cell arc. While we’re on the topic of Saiyan characters being written dumb, let’s take the guy who teamed up with Cell to allow him to get stronger and tried to stop Trunks from stopping him from dooming the entire planet, all just so Cell could hand him his ass. - Piccolo: Cell arc. Other than merging with Earth’s God, which does complete his arc across the series, he kinda gets shit on after fighting Cell twice. Call me crazy, but I prefer Boo arc Piccolo. At least he actually had stuff to do in that arc! - Tenshinhan: Tournament of Power arc. The disrespect they gave to him is absolutely insane. And the anime-which is more overt in its disrespect-actually treats him somewhat better. The manga just treats him like an afterthought. - Gohan: Super Hero arc. Here we have a Gohan action figure who was basically just stapled onto a Piccolo story and given a ripoff of his iconic Cell moment. It’s like, the levels of creative bankruptcy are infuriating, especially because we know he’s not gonna do shit against Black Freeza! - Krillin: uhhh…does he HAVE a “worst arc”? - Yamcha: Cell arc. At least his being made into a meme was, in the actual Saiyan arc, part of a great moment in which he stands up for his friends and takes the fall against the Saibaimen. This arc straight up makes him into a cheater, which ruins his story from the beginning of the series. - Chaozu: he doesn’t do anything in any arc after the one which he first appears in. - Future Trunks: Goku Black arc. He’s still by far the best character in the arc, but they made him SO lame. Also, he attains possibly the worst transformation in Dragon Ball’s history as an IP in this arc.
I think Vegeta's lowest point was the Cell Saga. In Resurrection F Vegeta didn't do much, sure, but in the Cell Saga, pretty much everything he did inly made things worse: He challenged Android 18 and got humiliated by her, then toyed with Semi Perfect Cell and actively helped him to become perfect (Vegeta could've killed Cell regardless of Krillin's actions so he's much more at fault), then he's the reason Gohan got injured when fighting Super Perfect Cell
He's at a really low point at the end of it too. Jealous of Goku and Gohan, he even got in to the time chamber a second time after they left it, only to not get that much stronger. He even says "I'll never fight again" after the battle with Cell...
Damn y’all dont understand that it was part of his character development to be a selfish prickk building up ti his development in Buu Saga In rez of F…he kinda sucked
Honorable mention for Roshi and Bulma. Imo Roshi's best being the tien saga and worst being moro while Bulma's best being the cell saga and worst being Namek
Personally I think Krillin's worst performance was in super's "Future" Trunks Saga. Specifically the episode where he goes to the mysterious forest with Goku and they face the Giant Illusions. Krillin has been an accomplished fighter for decades at this point, he has come face to face with deadly situations multiple times (and even died twice... or was it three times? anyway), he faced oponentes far stronger than himself and never gave up without a fight (Namely nappa and vegeta, imperfect and perfect cell, frieza, buu). But then suddenly in this episode he gets all insecure and frightened, even though he knew these guys were only illusions, honestly it didn't feel like the Krillin we know. It felt like the opposite of character development. Of course other characters were victims of this during super, including Goku, and Gohan, something that in my opinion ruined the series.
no mention of Trunks at all? no Kid Trunks or Future Trunks? also curious if including GT would have changed anything. also curious if including other 'canon' arcs would have changed anything like Moro, Granolah, DBS Broly or DBS Super Hero. cool idea for a video!
7:53 I just don't get this "Goku caught off Guard" just to nerf him When we see him getting Sniped in the OG Db from the back of his head and he just thought he was hit by a Rock
for me: (best on left, worst on right) -Goku: frieza/Cell, i hated that he gave the gave cell a senzu bean apparently he spended 1 year with gohan but didnt know of his dislike for fights and put the fate of the earth at stake for gohan to fight -Vegeta: Buu/Super 17, his final attonment is the best vegeta moment for me as for super 17 at the start they show him still want to fight with goku decades after buu saga where he got over it and even goku being a child doesnt stop him all that to get over it at the end of the arc again and at the end he gave up his pride to become an ssj4 with a mascine sth that is against dragon ball's themes of bettering yourself -Tien: 22nd budukai/ToP (manga), he got one shotted by fucking frost -Gohan: Saiyan (z anime)/ RoF, i loved the saiyan saga filler and seeing him and piccolo was great -Piccolo: Saiyan (z anime)/RoF -Krillin: Namek/King Piccolo Saga, he was a plot device he got killed to start conflict -Yamcha: Pilaf Saga/saiyan+cell+RoF+ToP, the yamcha disrespect in the series is insane in saiyan he got killed by the weakest opponent, in cell he lost his girl to vegeta and got his ass handed, in RoF they said he is too weak for frieza soldiers and in ToP they took roshi instead of him and even made fan of him in the anime -Chaozu: 22nd budukai/saiyan, he appears only in this 2 for more than 10 seconds 💀 -Future Trunks: Cell/Goku Black
*They really humiliated Tien (Tournament of Power)* From the start of the Arc to getting ringed out. 1) Couldn't run his school and got beat by Master Roshi Zombie. 2) In a sparring session with Goku, Piccolo, and Gohan he does the worst and complains about even doing the fight! 3) Is the second one to be ringed out and has the lowest people ringed out doing even worse than Krillin and Master Roshi of all people AND the only way he could ring out Hermila was to go with him!!
Goku Best: Hard to choose between most of the OG Dragon Ball ones. Hot take but I personally prefer Kid Goku WAY over adult Goku. Adult Goku's writing is all over the place throughout most of the sagas, whereas in OG it was way more consistent. Goku's jokes also land better when he's a kid. When he's being dumb as an adult it just comes off very forced and he just feels like an immature manchild. Worst: So many contenders, but I have to choose the Goku Black saga. This is when his stupidity reaches an all time low, and besides that one cool punch he gave to Zamasu once, I don't remember a single other moment of his that wasn't him being stupid. I'm talking about the anime I haven't read the manga. Vegeta Best: Namek. Absolutely amazing all the way through. Don't have a single complaint. Worst: Look Vegeta's my favorite character and I don't care how important he was in this arc, I gotta pick the Cell arc. Yes he objectively had tons of arcs in Super where his contribution was far less important, but he never annoyed me in them. Ok he did slightly in RoF but at least he wore a brand new amazing drip. In the Cell arc he was just annoying. I wanted him to get his ass beat all the time, and I feel like the story never really called him out on letting Cell achieve his perfect form. The fact that most characters besides Tien just accepted Vegeta of all characters into their family, all that easily, is just super lazy and forced writing that had to make the other characters like Bulma and Gohan out of character. Don't even get me started on Trunks never getting tired of his shit. Vegeta didn't show a single reason as to why anyone in the cast should like him till he finally did something likeable after Cell killed Trunks.. at the end of the arc. By then it was too late, and the whole thing just didn't feel natural in the slightest. We NEVER got a single moment where Vegeta is seen caring about Trunks in a positive way throughout the entire arc. Gohan Best: Cell arc. Cell arc by far. I liked his development though I do wish he got a little more focus throughout the arc. Worst: Every single saga that came after the Cell arc could be a contender but I gotta pick Buu. He already started the saga off being out of character, you mean to tell me the character the story literally said doesn't like fighting, is now wanting to become a superhero to protect the city. Yet he ignored training for multiple years. It makes 0 sense. Then there's Ultimate Gohan, one of the series' biggest mistakes. Not only was it an unexplained mess, a super lazily designed and even lazier achieveved form, it did nothing to Gohan's character but regress him in the character he was before Goku's death in the Cell arc. Gohan in that arc developed and learned to not play around, he needs to finish off the enemy as fast as possible, otherwise something tragic could happen. Buu Saga completely ignored all that and made Gohan play around with Buu again. His overconfidence caused him to get outsmarted by the literal person he used the r word on (also out of character for a character like Gohan to say that word) and get his brother, Piccolo and Trunks all absorbed and put the earth in danger again. Then he fails to catch an earring. It's like as if Toriyama hated Gohan because this is the biggest character assasination in the series history. I will take nerd weak Gohan over a derailed dumb Gohan. Will do the rest in the reply, they will be shorter
Piccolo Best: Saiyan for the reasons u said. I like him in pretty much every arc though. Worst: Yeah he was done super dirty in RoF lol. Future Trunks Best: Cell by default. Worst: Zamasu arc by defealt. He was only in 2 sagas and this was by far his weaker appearance. All those stupid powerups made me feel like i'm watching a cringey fanfic come to life. Krillin: Best: Yeah Namek, but he's another character that's solid in pretty much every arc. Worst: Tournament of Power by far, he got SO MANY unnecesary screentime in the benches either telling me what I literally just saw happening on screen, or screem out character names super loudly. I get the episodes needed something to pad out the runtime and it's easy to animate but good God. Tien: Best: 22nd Tenka-Ichi Budōkai of course. Worst: Tournament of Power, he was just pathetic. Felt like a filler character, the animators sometimes even forgot to draw him in scenes. Yamcha Best: Pilaf saga. Comedy gold in this arc. He's good in most OG DB arcs though, it's hard to choose a favorite. Worst: Saiyan. He just came and went in a blink of an eye. Goten and Trunks Best: I'll be honest I actually really liked them in the Super Hero manga. Likeable and actually funny. Worst: Buu saga. Second worst characters after Gohan. The fact that they still weren't taking anything seriously even after the main villain killed not only every single person they loved but also pretty much the entire world population, gives me 0 reasons to like these characters. Goten's entire existence was also just wasted on fusion fodder and he still hasn't recovered from that. Android 18: Best: Would be cheating of me to say Super 17 since it isn't a canon arc, so I will just say Tournament of Power. She had a few unlikeable moments but for the most part she was funny, very entertaining and a total badass. We really got to see how far she has come, and seeing her interact with 17 again was just great. Her fight with Ribrianne is severely underrated. Some inconsistencies aside, I would go as far as to say this was the best depiction of any female character in this show in canon Dragon Ball. Worst: The manga version of the ToP arc which I did read. Literally erase ALL of 18's good moments from the anime and this is what you will get. She was completely disrespected here, they didn't even let her eliminate Ribrianne herself. Android 17: Best: I actually enjoyed him in the Cell arc the most. I like this cocky version of 17 more than the developed one from Super, who's powerup is so incredibly stupid it's funny. ToP 17 is good too don't get me wrong, but I wasn't as entertaining by him. Also 17 vs Piccolo will forever remain peak. Worst: Toyo's Manga ToP arc again. Barely got any screentime and his sacrifice was so poorly done compared to the anime it's just laughable. His showing in the Moro arc was also quite unimpressive. It really feels like Toyo doesn't like or care much about the androids. Master Roshi: Best: 21st Tenka-Ichi Budōkai. He was fun n every arc of OG DB tbh. Worst: Toyo's manga arc. Gtfo with that forced fake UI bullshit. Chiaotzu Best: lol they don't exist he's barely even a character Worst: again he's barely even a character can't pick a single one
I'd say Goten's best arc is the Buu Arc and his worst arc is everything after Buu but the one that stands out to me would have to be the Potafu Mini Arc as he and Trunks could've had their time to grow and develop only for them to be sidelined in their own arc. Trunks' best arc would also be the Buu Arc and his worst arc would be the Goku Black arc as he wasn't able to do anything to help and got no development throughout and no I don't count that one talk he had with Future Trunks. Pan's best arc would be the Baby Arc as after the Black Star Arc she might've not been the strongest in the team but she was the bravest. She stepped up to Baby Vegeta when the odds were stacked against her and as for her worst arc I'd say the Super 17 Arc as she did next to nothing in that arc but so did everyone else do you know
gokus downfall is the android saga for me cuz he didnt take the medicine then got fried by 19 then was bedridden for the rest of the arc for simply not listening to future trunks
@@skiingtampon true, but he did die immediately as the arc started, giving tambourin both the dragon ball and thanks to him being at the tournament getting the names and locations of every participant, so even if accidentally it’s a negative in my view, in cell saga krillin at least was helping in both the search for cell and helped in the exploration and destruction of gero lab, plus helping with keeping the senzu beans safe for most of it (except in the cell games), he did screw up with not blowing 18 up, but even then I see that more as a vegeta L than a krillin one
It feels really disappointing for Tiens performance in the TOP. I’ve always hated scaling in DB but for him it would somewhat make sense to be in fighting form-especially mentally. And his fall from that was almost entirely a mental failure. I wish we got to see more from him and that since he’s one of the few who trains to see more from him
Honestly disagree with the universe 6 saga for goku since most of his low intelligence is just used for some unfunny gags but I do think him struggling with the yes is accurate
I disagree with Goku's best saga as first for me it's second I can agree him turning super sayain was sick but I liked the the sayain saga more as it wasn't a complete whitewash as goku and Vegeta were both knocked out badly and the other characters actually play a significant role in helping to take out Vegeta instead of being sidelined
iMO, Goku's worst arc is the cell saga. He didn't win a single fight and was in the background for a good bit of it. The most he did was show the others the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and train Gohan.
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Shout out to Zah13r for the idea while I was scrolling on the home page 😂 Lmk what you think these characters best and worst sagas
btw i personally think yamcha's best saga was the emperor pilaf saga, he was the only main side character in the show that was at goku's level or above, was an actual threat (like getting rid of their ride, only to give them a ride because he was a simp), had character development by losing his fear of women and had someone who was in love with him because after the tournament saga yamcha is not her boyfriend anymore and he'd lost to jackie chun, the person that beat goku in the finals and they beat yamcha like he was nothing (a bit like tien's story in the 22nd world tournament saga) and after that saga his next appearance was the end of the red ribbon saga and he was cast aside at the 22nd world tournament because of tien and only appeared so we could see his thoughts on the fight, his next appearance was to be almost killed by tambourine in the piccolo saga and to lose to kame who was dressed as hero and the fact goku was the only one who knew it was kame made the fact yamcha lost to a skinny guy with jackie chun's cut in his 30s just felt unfair, not like jackie chun because he was said to actually be a good fighter, and z was downhill from there, saiyan saga being the last arc where he landed an attack
I don't agree that Vegeta's lowest point was is Resurrection of F. I think it's Cell Saga. He did his best to let Cell become stronger and absorb the Androids because of his selfishness and desire to become stronger. And he didn't behave in the best way and pursued his own interests and didn't care about others. But the best of course Buu Saga. Peak of his character development.
I personally don’t think his arc in the Buu Saga would’ve hit as hard as it did if it wasn’t for his selfishness in the Cell arc. He is primarily motivated in the Buu Saga by his regrets from the Android/Cell Saga(and as always wanting to fight Goku). I agree he is an ass in the Cell Saga but I think it was absolutely need for the character’s sacrifice and redemption against Majin Buu. Imo
Vegeta at that time was still a villain he outright said he planned to kill goku. which the large majority of ppl forgot or ignore. Yea no surprise he’s selfish, and only cares about himself and his wants.
ROF was just downright a slap to vegeta as a character but also to the fans
I disagree, Vegeta's actions in the Cell Saga are what cements his growth in the Buu Saga.
Dumb take honestly, Vegeta in resurrection of F has no screen time, oneshots Tagoma and his moment of glory and revenge gets stolen by Goku just because they wanted to show a plot device, Whis's ability to rewind time, which could have been done better. The things you mention for Vegeta aren't bad things, they are things that alines with his character, he is an anti-hero in that arc that after ascending the super saiyan has an oversized ego that leads him to make risky choices. And remember without Krilin mistake to destroy c18 or Vegeta's Pride we wouldn't have had Perfect Cell and Gohan ssj2. And in any case there are many great scenes like him bullying second form cell, Final Flash or Vegeta's reflection in the rain. in short Vegeta from Cell Saga is a cut above the resurrection one and it's not even his fault, so never cook again
That's not what the video means by "lowest" point. Cell saga having Vegeta be the worst ally is good writing to show how much Vegeta acquiring Super Saiyan affected his ego and the story punishes him as a result.
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For me:
- Goku: Namek/Freeza arc. Something about the way he’s written in that arc-with the context of the conflict between Freeza and the Saiyans behind him-just makes him so amazing there. Not to mention the Super Saiyan moment is possibly the single most iconic moment in anime history.
- Vegeta: Namek/Freeza arc. I love Majin Vegeta and Vegeta being Goku’s rival as much as the next guy, but personally, Vegeta is best when he’s three steps ahead of everybody. He was daring, he was tactical, he wasn’t afraid to fight dirty, and he was willing to team up with-and use-the heroes for his own ends. The fact that he basically refused to lose until the very end puts his moments in this arc above every Final Flash, Final Explosion, and final rage moment he has after.
- Piccolo: Saiyan arc. The Demon King Piccolo arc was really good, especially in the anime, and it’s through that context which Piccolo’s arc works. It’s no surprise that he and Gohan form the best combo in the entire series, and his story in the Saiyan arc specifically is just classic character growth. And every moment he has after just builds on that, such as merging with Nail against Freeza or merging with Earth’s God against Cell.
- Tenshinhan: Demon King Piccolo arc. The 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai arc set up Ten’s character arc, but it came to a head in the King Piccolo arc. Then it has that wonderful closer in the fight with Cyborg Tao Pai Pai in the next tournament.
- Gohan: Namek/Freeza arc. I typically find Gohan to be pretty bland on his own, but his best arc by far was when he went from a whiny little kid scared to even leave Goku’s arms to fearlessly risking his life to go to an alien planet and fight the most dangerous people there were at the time. That to me makes him the character he is, not the moment against Cell.
- Krillin: Namek/Freeza arc. I find him to be pretty eh in OG DB, and he’s pretty good in the Saiyan arc, but this arc specifically made him so…cool. I dunno, I just like characters who lead and take charge when the chips are down. Plus, unlike a lot of the other characters even back when they were written well, he’s _smart._
- Yamcha: Pilaf arc or 21st Tenkaichi Budoukai arc. He was so cool in these two; he was the guy getting things done. Plus, he actually has a good bit of character growth and a creative moveset. Z, to put it frankly, completely ruined him.
- Chaozu: 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai arc. This is the only arc in which he did things. He solely exists afterward as a source of emotional turmoil for Tenshinhan.
- Future Trunks: Cell arc. His story and character are so next level that it makes me wonder if he was written by someone other than Toriyama, especially with the overall quality of this arc.
Now for worst, since this is apparently a worst list as well.
- Goku: Goku Black arc. That is my personal least favorite arc in the entire franchise, and Goku being written so monumentally dumbly doesn’t exactly improve it. At least, the anime version.
- Vegeta: Cell arc. While we’re on the topic of Saiyan characters being written dumb, let’s take the guy who teamed up with Cell to allow him to get stronger and tried to stop Trunks from stopping him from dooming the entire planet, all just so Cell could hand him his ass.
- Piccolo: Cell arc. Other than merging with Earth’s God, which does complete his arc across the series, he kinda gets shit on after fighting Cell twice. Call me crazy, but I prefer Boo arc Piccolo. At least he actually had stuff to do in that arc!
- Tenshinhan: Tournament of Power arc. The disrespect they gave to him is absolutely insane. And the anime-which is more overt in its disrespect-actually treats him somewhat better. The manga just treats him like an afterthought.
- Gohan: Super Hero arc. Here we have a Gohan action figure who was basically just stapled onto a Piccolo story and given a ripoff of his iconic Cell moment. It’s like, the levels of creative bankruptcy are infuriating, especially because we know he’s not gonna do shit against Black Freeza!
- Krillin: uhhh…does he HAVE a “worst arc”?
- Yamcha: Cell arc. At least his being made into a meme was, in the actual Saiyan arc, part of a great moment in which he stands up for his friends and takes the fall against the Saibaimen. This arc straight up makes him into a cheater, which ruins his story from the beginning of the series.
- Chaozu: he doesn’t do anything in any arc after the one which he first appears in.
- Future Trunks: Goku Black arc. He’s still by far the best character in the arc, but they made him SO lame. Also, he attains possibly the worst transformation in Dragon Ball’s history as an IP in this arc.
@@androidsenpai1462I liked gokus hakai in goku black arc but the ending of the arc kills it for me
So you loved Namek amd Saiyan sagas... got it 😂😂😂
@@JMartini810 I mean…they’re my two favorites. LOL
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I think Vegeta's lowest point was the Cell Saga. In Resurrection F Vegeta didn't do much, sure, but in the Cell Saga, pretty much everything he did inly made things worse:
He challenged Android 18 and got humiliated by her, then toyed with Semi Perfect Cell and actively helped him to become perfect (Vegeta could've killed Cell regardless of Krillin's actions so he's much more at fault), then he's the reason Gohan got injured when fighting Super Perfect Cell
He's at a really low point at the end of it too. Jealous of Goku and Gohan, he even got in to the time chamber a second time after they left it, only to not get that much stronger. He even says "I'll never fight again" after the battle with Cell...
Damn y’all dont understand that it was part of his character development to be a selfish prickk building up ti his development in Buu Saga
In rez of F…he kinda sucked
@@bryanu1737 who's saying that it wasn't part of his character development? We are just talking about his low points as a character.
If we got out of the present timeline, the worst saga for 17 would be the super 17 saga from gt
“Nobody can beat me when I’m super 17”
As if I didn't have more reasons to dislike Resurrection F
It’s funny how one of krillins most helpful points is him dying 😂😂
I agree with mostly everything, nice video. My favorite vegeta saga was actually frieza saga
Yea I've seen a few people say that and I can 100% see the frieza saga being a good pick as well. Thank you btw!
Bro forgot Chaotzu
He was active in like 1 saga lol
@deep-friedbutter2028 then thatll be his best saga 🙏🏽💀
@oceanicblaze-o_b-9752 buddy's best role is self destructing to do absolutely fucking nothing to a side villain lol
@@deep-friedbutter2028 That's good enough 💀🙏🏽😭
@@deep-friedbutter2028 og db
Honorable mention for Roshi and Bulma. Imo Roshi's best being the tien saga and worst being moro while Bulma's best being the cell saga and worst being Namek
Personally I think Krillin's worst performance was in super's "Future" Trunks Saga. Specifically the episode where he goes to the mysterious forest with Goku and they face the Giant Illusions. Krillin has been an accomplished fighter for decades at this point, he has come face to face with deadly situations multiple times (and even died twice... or was it three times? anyway), he faced oponentes far stronger than himself and never gave up without a fight (Namely nappa and vegeta, imperfect and perfect cell, frieza, buu). But then suddenly in this episode he gets all insecure and frightened, even though he knew these guys were only illusions, honestly it didn't feel like the Krillin we know. It felt like the opposite of character development. Of course other characters were victims of this during super, including Goku, and Gohan, something that in my opinion ruined the series.
Great video, man! I agree with all of them, but Goku's worst saga for me is Zamasu (he seemed weirdly out of character if that one)
Mui and Ui Goku is basically Goku fighting seriously or "locks in" made into a transformation (I know it's cannonly a technique)
Only 612 likes. You are amazing. You are an fucking legend
Really well edited and entertaining video 🤌🏾
Thank you!!
no mention of Trunks at all? no Kid Trunks or Future Trunks? also curious if including GT would have changed anything. also curious if including other 'canon' arcs would have changed anything like Moro, Granolah, DBS Broly or DBS Super Hero. cool idea for a video!
7:53 I just don't get this "Goku caught off Guard" just to nerf him
When we see him getting Sniped in the OG Db from the back of his head and he just thought he was hit by a Rock
Loved the video
for me:
(best on left, worst on right)
-Goku: frieza/Cell, i hated that he gave the gave cell a senzu bean apparently he spended 1 year with gohan but didnt know of his dislike for fights and put the fate of the earth at stake for gohan to fight
-Vegeta: Buu/Super 17, his final attonment is the best vegeta moment for me as for super 17 at the start they show him still want to fight with goku decades after buu saga where he got over it and even goku being a child doesnt stop him all that to get over it at the end of the arc again and at the end he gave up his pride to become an ssj4 with a mascine sth that is against dragon ball's themes of bettering yourself
-Tien: 22nd budukai/ToP (manga), he got one shotted by fucking frost
-Gohan: Saiyan (z anime)/ RoF, i loved the saiyan saga filler and seeing him and piccolo was great
-Piccolo: Saiyan (z anime)/RoF
-Krillin: Namek/King Piccolo Saga, he was a plot device he got killed to start conflict
-Yamcha: Pilaf Saga/saiyan+cell+RoF+ToP, the yamcha disrespect in the series is insane in saiyan he got killed by the weakest opponent, in cell he lost his girl to vegeta and got his ass handed, in RoF they said he is too weak for frieza soldiers and in ToP they took roshi instead of him and even made fan of him in the anime
-Chaozu: 22nd budukai/saiyan, he appears only in this 2 for more than 10 seconds 💀
-Future Trunks: Cell/Goku Black
*They really humiliated Tien (Tournament of Power)*
From the start of the Arc to getting ringed out.
1) Couldn't run his school and got beat by Master Roshi Zombie.
2) In a sparring session with Goku, Piccolo, and Gohan he does the worst and complains about even doing the fight!
3) Is the second one to be ringed out and has the lowest people ringed out doing even worse than Krillin and Master Roshi of all people AND the only way he could ring out Hermila was to go with him!!
Goku
Best: Hard to choose between most of the OG Dragon Ball ones. Hot take but I personally prefer Kid Goku WAY over adult Goku. Adult Goku's writing is all over the place throughout most of the sagas, whereas in OG it was way more consistent. Goku's jokes also land better when he's a kid. When he's being dumb as an adult it just comes off very forced and he just feels like an immature manchild.
Worst: So many contenders, but I have to choose the Goku Black saga. This is when his stupidity reaches an all time low, and besides that one cool punch he gave to Zamasu once, I don't remember a single other moment of his that wasn't him being stupid. I'm talking about the anime I haven't read the manga.
Vegeta
Best: Namek. Absolutely amazing all the way through. Don't have a single complaint.
Worst: Look Vegeta's my favorite character and I don't care how important he was in this arc, I gotta pick the Cell arc. Yes he objectively had tons of arcs in Super where his contribution was far less important, but he never annoyed me in them. Ok he did slightly in RoF but at least he wore a brand new amazing drip. In the Cell arc he was just annoying. I wanted him to get his ass beat all the time, and I feel like the story never really called him out on letting Cell achieve his perfect form. The fact that most characters besides Tien just accepted Vegeta of all characters into their family, all that easily, is just super lazy and forced writing that had to make the other characters like Bulma and Gohan out of character. Don't even get me started on Trunks never getting tired of his shit. Vegeta didn't show a single reason as to why anyone in the cast should like him till he finally did something likeable after Cell killed Trunks.. at the end of the arc. By then it was too late, and the whole thing just didn't feel natural in the slightest. We NEVER got a single moment where Vegeta is seen caring about Trunks in a positive way throughout the entire arc.
Gohan
Best: Cell arc. Cell arc by far. I liked his development though I do wish he got a little more focus throughout the arc.
Worst: Every single saga that came after the Cell arc could be a contender but I gotta pick Buu. He already started the saga off being out of character, you mean to tell me the character the story literally said doesn't like fighting, is now wanting to become a superhero to protect the city. Yet he ignored training for multiple years. It makes 0 sense. Then there's Ultimate Gohan, one of the series' biggest mistakes. Not only was it an unexplained mess, a super lazily designed and even lazier achieveved form, it did nothing to Gohan's character but regress him in the character he was before Goku's death in the Cell arc. Gohan in that arc developed and learned to not play around, he needs to finish off the enemy as fast as possible, otherwise something tragic could happen. Buu Saga completely ignored all that and made Gohan play around with Buu again. His overconfidence caused him to get outsmarted by the literal person he used the r word on (also out of character for a character like Gohan to say that word) and get his brother, Piccolo and Trunks all absorbed and put the earth in danger again. Then he fails to catch an earring. It's like as if Toriyama hated Gohan because this is the biggest character assasination in the series history. I will take nerd weak Gohan over a derailed dumb Gohan.
Will do the rest in the reply, they will be shorter
Piccolo
Best: Saiyan for the reasons u said. I like him in pretty much every arc though.
Worst: Yeah he was done super dirty in RoF lol.
Future Trunks
Best: Cell by default.
Worst: Zamasu arc by defealt. He was only in 2 sagas and this was by far his weaker appearance. All those stupid powerups made me feel like i'm watching a cringey fanfic come to life.
Krillin:
Best: Yeah Namek, but he's another character that's solid in pretty much every arc.
Worst: Tournament of Power by far, he got SO MANY unnecesary screentime in the benches either telling me what I literally just saw happening on screen, or screem out character names super loudly. I get the episodes needed something to pad out the runtime and it's easy to animate but good God.
Tien:
Best: 22nd Tenka-Ichi Budōkai of course.
Worst: Tournament of Power, he was just pathetic. Felt like a filler character, the animators sometimes even forgot to draw him in scenes.
Yamcha
Best: Pilaf saga. Comedy gold in this arc. He's good in most OG DB arcs though, it's hard to choose a favorite.
Worst: Saiyan. He just came and went in a blink of an eye.
Goten and Trunks
Best: I'll be honest I actually really liked them in the Super Hero manga. Likeable and actually funny.
Worst: Buu saga. Second worst characters after Gohan. The fact that they still weren't taking anything seriously even after the main villain killed not only every single person they loved but also pretty much the entire world population, gives me 0 reasons to like these characters. Goten's entire existence was also just wasted on fusion fodder and he still hasn't recovered from that.
Android 18:
Best: Would be cheating of me to say Super 17 since it isn't a canon arc, so I will just say Tournament of Power. She had a few unlikeable moments but for the most part she was funny, very entertaining and a total badass. We really got to see how far she has come, and seeing her interact with 17 again was just great. Her fight with Ribrianne is severely underrated. Some inconsistencies aside, I would go as far as to say this was the best depiction of any female character in this show in canon Dragon Ball.
Worst: The manga version of the ToP arc which I did read. Literally erase ALL of 18's good moments from the anime and this is what you will get. She was completely disrespected here, they didn't even let her eliminate Ribrianne herself.
Android 17:
Best: I actually enjoyed him in the Cell arc the most. I like this cocky version of 17 more than the developed one from Super, who's powerup is so incredibly stupid it's funny. ToP 17 is good too don't get me wrong, but I wasn't as entertaining by him. Also 17 vs Piccolo will forever remain peak.
Worst: Toyo's Manga ToP arc again. Barely got any screentime and his sacrifice was so poorly done compared to the anime it's just laughable. His showing in the Moro arc was also quite unimpressive. It really feels like Toyo doesn't like or care much about the androids.
Master Roshi:
Best: 21st Tenka-Ichi Budōkai. He was fun n every arc of OG DB tbh.
Worst: Toyo's manga arc. Gtfo with that forced fake UI bullshit.
Chiaotzu
Best: lol they don't exist he's barely even a character
Worst: again he's barely even a character can't pick a single one
i chose u as my 2am food yt video dont let me down
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Goku: Best-King Piccolo Saga/Worst-Universe 6 Saga
Vegeta: Best-Namek/Worst-Cell Saga
Gohan: Best-Cell Saga/Worst-Golden Frieza Saga
Piccolo: Best-Saiyan Saga/Worst-Buu Saga
Krillin: Best-Namek Saga/Worst-Buu Saga
Tien: Best-Tenshinhan Saga/Worst-Universe Survival Saga
Yamcha: Best-21st Tournament Saga/Worst-Cell Saga
Tiens best saga being his intoduction just says so much😢.
A z only video would be interesting. I feel like a lot of these characters can easily be super as their worst
You missed a few characters such as Goten, Trunks, and Pan
I'd say Goten's best arc is the Buu Arc and his worst arc is everything after Buu but the one that stands out to me would have to be the Potafu Mini Arc as he and Trunks could've had their time to grow and develop only for them to be sidelined in their own arc. Trunks' best arc would also be the Buu Arc and his worst arc would be the Goku Black arc as he wasn't able to do anything to help and got no development throughout and no I don't count that one talk he had with Future Trunks. Pan's best arc would be the Baby Arc as after the Black Star Arc she might've not been the strongest in the team but she was the bravest. She stepped up to Baby Vegeta when the odds were stacked against her and as for her worst arc I'd say the Super 17 Arc as she did next to nothing in that arc but so did everyone else do you know
they arent relevant😭
Wouldn’t the Android best arc be the Android saga and wouldn’t Goku worst saga be the Android saga?
Resurrection F Tier arc really be catching everyones' L's
Goku in the Freiza saga was goated
Vegeta’s best saga is buu saga. He shows virtue.
Sad to see Chiaotzu has such little screen time he's not even mentioned in this vid😭
@@OffTheZeni 😭😭
I love how most characters' worst is just due to Resurrection F being a badly written saga in general
gokus downfall is the android saga for me cuz he didnt take the medicine then got fried by 19 then was bedridden for the rest of the arc for simply not listening to future trunks
Worst Goku arc I find is the future Trunks arc… where he is just stupid…. forgetting senzu beans.., the seal and of course not knowing what a kiss is…
There is no way you didn’t choose the king piccolo saga for krillin, he literally got killed in the very start of it 💀
He literally couldn’t do anything if he was dead, you can’t really blame him.
@@skiingtampon true, but he did die immediately as the arc started, giving tambourin both the dragon ball and thanks to him being at the tournament getting the names and locations of every participant, so even if accidentally it’s a negative in my view, in cell saga krillin at least was helping in both the search for cell and helped in the exploration and destruction of gero lab, plus helping with keeping the senzu beans safe for most of it (except in the cell games), he did screw up with not blowing 18 up, but even then I see that more as a vegeta L than a krillin one
@@cristobalpinochet fair, but it’s not like dying was his choice. So that’s not really an L for him, he couldn’t avoid it.
It feels really disappointing for Tiens performance in the TOP. I’ve always hated scaling in DB but for him it would somewhat make sense to be in fighting form-especially mentally. And his fall from that was almost entirely a mental failure. I wish we got to see more from him and that since he’s one of the few who trains to see more from him
He only ringed out one person and he had to do it by also ringing out himself😞
Honestly disagree with the universe 6 saga for goku since most of his low intelligence is just used for some unfunny gags but I do think him struggling with the yes is accurate
Vegeta was WAYYYYY to entertaining in the Namek arc for me not to say thats his best
I disagree with Goku's best saga as first for me it's second I can agree him turning super sayain was sick but I liked the the sayain saga more as it wasn't a complete whitewash as goku and Vegeta were both knocked out badly and the other characters actually play a significant role in helping to take out Vegeta instead of being sidelined
wished tien had more relevance in dbz? the man BITCHED 2nd form cell with the tri beam spam and i think the tfs version js solidifies tien as the goat
Vegeta best arc isn't frieza saga????
What about Chaoztu
What about chaoztu 😭
"VEGETA LOOK..a pokemon..."
@@RemJai1234 “I’m not a Pokemon, I’m Chiaotzu. Chiaotzu.”
@@Kiren129 "VEGETA LOOK its a chiaotzu... im gonna catch it"
Who?
Vegetas worst either was the baby or goo vegeta saga
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What about videl?
Is this a sage reference 💀
@@KeyReviewsOfficial more like a spopovich reference. Pls google it.
Did you not mention Tien or am I stupid?
@@SsjkidsSaveCosmo08 tien was mentioned
Consider yourself by your own admission "stupid"
iMO, Goku's worst arc is the cell saga. He didn't win a single fight and was in the background for a good bit of it. The most he did was show the others the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and train Gohan.
I agree with you
I thought about that, but I was thinking he did save the earth from cell self-destruction. Also, he did train gohan
@@KeyReviewsOfficial i forgot about saving earth lol 🤦🏾♂️
Gohan wouldnt have reached his peak to beat cell without goku
Yea it’s interesting how the Cell arc is Gokus least involved arc in Z
7:30
Nah Vegeta's best arc is Namek
17 worst saga is the super 17 saga
Rof is the worst saga of all time
One of for sure
Its too short
@@zitouneziden no it's ass I hate the animation and ssj blue was only for Money we didn't even got to see ssg very often