How To Play a Hand You Can NEVER Fold
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2024
- Now and then you flop a hand with so much equity that you're pretty much never folding. The question then becomes what type of sizing should be used to maximize fold equity and potentially clean up better draws.
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0:00 - Intro
1:55 - Preflop
3:32 - Flop
16:18 - Turn
17:00 - Hero Decision
17:11 - Reveal
17:16 - River
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Do you agree that the bet/3bet (non all-in) was a mistake? Smaller draws could call flop, then potentially fold turn to a jam with only one card to come so there's value lost vs. smaller draws and we don't get max fold equity vs. bigger draws.
Always depends who you’re up against but I thought the 3 bet sizing was funky. I like call or jam. FYI if opponent has A3 of spades you’re like a 2:1 dog and if he has KQ of spades it’s worse. KQs should’ve raised pre but this blind structure might yield surprising results 🤷♂️. Either way, I’d likely call the 105 or jam. More I think of it, I like jam. I’m not worried about losing value from smaller draws like 7,6 of spades cause that might call the jam a percentage of the time which would be great.
Your math is way off when it comes to the different hand combos and equities.
@@relaxationmeditationsleep2934 ?
@@relaxationmeditationsleep2934 isn’t he 2:1 dog against KQs and a little less than 2:1 against A3s? I’d want those hands to fold 🤷♂️
@KenDavis-uo8kq Yeah, every bigger fd is like 63%+. I also agree with your assessment about V possibly not 3betting as many hands with the straddle. It's just how much fold equity is hero getting?
I love when the caller says “if he 4 bets the flop I could put him on a set and fold.” And you promptly laughed in his face
obviously he totally doesnt get the concept of pot committed.
Lol I made the exact same face as Bart when he said that
Then tries to say “oh yeah I was thinking about the turn when he just called” 😭 you can be wrong sometimes man just admit hahahaha
@@GizziiusaI think he misspoke or got confused - there is a lot to follow. He seemed to know what he was doing. You can of course never fold flop to that amount when in the absolute worst case scenario (against an A high flush draw), you still have 36% equity, and against a set you have 40% equity.
@@evadecaptcha Good take. Bart is a very high level thinker and he's dissecting your every move and trying to not sound like a fool when talking with him can't be easy.
As others have said, just jam the flop.
This kind of combo draw, you need to get it all in, or have them fold. Otherwise, foe will fold out if possible when you obviously hit. Your hand plays exactly as it is, Js9s, or 44.
So, if a Q or 7 comes, foe will likely fold, and that money would be in the pot had you jammed. T8 is unlikely to fold to your Flop jam.
Plus, it helps up your aggression for other hands, which makes EV+ plays easier.
Here is a simple rule, if foe either folds or calls an all in, and you are happy, you want to go all in. There are not many hands where this is the case, so learning to recognize them increases your long term gains.
If your jam is called by T8, your are happy, even if called by 44 you are in good shape, and with dead money in the pot, is still EV+, if foe folded, you are happy.
Foe literally can't play this hand perfectly, as you are happy with any action foe takes. Part of poker is forcing players into mistakes, and foe is making a mistake, in the sense of not playing optimally, when you jam Flop. There is no good choice for foe, no matter what hands he has. Even 44, has to be thinking you could have 88.
Hero sounds like he was seeing monsters under the bed from past bad beats. His commentary sounded like he was looking for every reason to not ship it in or even find a fold. Glad it worked out for him
I'm quite nitty and I'm jamming flop. 😂
@@jamesbell1613 yeah if you're not gonna jam your big combo draws how the hell do you balance jamming your sets?
The hard thing about playing in Oakland isn't winning at the tables but making it to your home with the winnings without robbed
Facts
You can get security to walk you out and they have done with me .
@@justme-ti1rh lol like security is really going to stop anything. Plus, like Bart talked about in previous episodes, easy to get followed away and robbed off the property
That is why you have an account and don't handle the money physically.
@@daniellowery2032 That's why you look for that and make sure not followed.
Hero's in worse shape against AXs than 44, it's like 63%. Even Ks7s is 65%. His 3bet sizing is terrible, it incentivizes bad hands with decent equity to call. The flop is a call or jam.
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I took a train to/from Emeryville once. Arrived at night and walked to a local hotel through the sketchiest elevator and walkway I've ever seen. Even the Amtrak conductor warned me to watch out for junkies.
2-3-5 at Oaks winner straddle is the best and softest game in the bay!
Interesting equity ranges. On a Ts 8c 4s flop, J9ss is huge 63-37% dog to A5ss, while J9ss is a huge 63-37% fav over 87ss. I think ATo with the As was a viable hand to not raise preflop but raise flop in position. Not sure ATo stacks off the turn K but was getting a big price.
When you have such a monster draw you have to ship it in.
7:20 you are talking about the baulgawhale theorem: if you are raised on the turn, AA (one pair) is no good.
I don’t think any of us chat pros have ever folded an open ended flush draw on the flop to a single raise, three bet and get it in!!!
Villain had either T8 or 44. Possibly 88, but I think he jams that on the flop pretty often and raises pre on the button with some frequency as well. The reasons why it's never really TT is the same as for 88 but magnified.
What hands would V limp then raise flop? 8s7s? I think he Raises pre with TT & 88. I'd rip it all in.
Hero was rescued by the deck. He actually does the one thing he cannot do on the flop.
I think V raises a suited ace pre?
Not sure about other Northern California casinos, but thankfully the Graton is removing the $1 button blind as of February 1st.
I think the flop jam is the obvious play. On a side note I think you can certainly raise it pre flop here with J9ss.
I hate that. Call > raise> fold
This feels like it should’ve been set up as a check raise to avoid it checking through on the turn when you hit your draw. As played, it should’ve been a call or shove on the flop.
If your the villian with 10-8 do you shove or just call or fold on the turn jamb
Depends on player. Against an aggressive capable opponent I’m probably 4 betting all in on flop. Against a complete nit who doesn’t over value big pairs I might actually fold flop but that’s a special case, board is too wet, I’m probably jamming
Villain would have 4 bet jammed on the flop with 10 8. So it wasn't that
@@cial67 it’s a curious one cause then what’d he call off with? Maybe he was waiting for a safe turn card? It’s a weird one. T,8 no spade on the flop is exactly 50% against the heroes hand. Not saying that was in anyone’s thought process just interesting factoid.
Bart spends 10 minutes explaining how this hand has huge equity against any holding opponent can have. Guy: “If he has 44s or 88s and jams over my $400 raise, I can still fold…” Bart: “what? You would fold? You can’t fold!” Guy: “no, right I can’t fold against those hands.” 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Well, the good news is that most people we play against at these stakes (even some CLP subscribers like this guy!) are pretty bad at hand reading.😁👍
Ahh the old gold rush of 1924.
Ohhh yeah tank tank tank tank tank write a novel tank tank tank jam a combo draw. Nice!
When I am comitted to go broke I am never 3-betting the flop in this spot. With a call I might invite the 3rd player and therefore I can win more money.
And you probably don’t win as much because of this. When the obvious draws come in that makes your hand, it usually kills the action. So instead of playing for stacks you got an extra $40 flop call. Whoopie
@@zekebones34 The difference between 45 and 150 is $40? Interesting!
Had to pause vid 8 minutes in but I would figure on just calling button's flop raise with guy HJ still to act because you want him to call so you'll win more if you hit your draw and button probably ain't folding.
63/36 vs 7s8s
Leading out on the flop is the classic “donk bet”, right?
Bro casually drops a gold mine of a poker spot
Im sry whats a rock straddle
ALGO
The name of this caller is definitely Jeff Goldblum
This guy said he didn't want to check because if it checks around he loses value. What the heck is he talking about? He may have good EQUITY here after the flop, but he doesn't have ANY value. There's almost no chance he has the best hand at this point. You bet for 2 reasons: to get worse to call or better to fold. He might miss a chance to build up the pot, but that's not the same as losing value. If he fails to make his draw he's lost nothing by checking.
I'm checking any flop from the SB five ways.😂
Always consider a person that is subscribed to an online poker training site an above average poker player. Callers logic is irrational. Live poker is great!
This is the best possible bluffing hand on the flop. If you're not gonna donk here, then you have no bluffing range at all when you donk the flop.
There's a segment of players who have internalized not having Any donks...like evér..? I personally think such an approach is silly in live games, but it's their money..?
For sure, but a big part of low stakes exploits involve playing unbalanced for value. A good player would 100% exploit the donk range by overfolding, but people at these stakes don't pay attention and usually you're playing opponents who you've never met before
@patrickjordan2233 Yeah, if you're playing tough competition I bet simplifying your strategy to only x or x/r oop multiway doesn't lose much EV, but against bad or random opponents it just leaves so much value on the table. In theory, facing a donk multiway you can fold just about everything and 3bet the rest, but nobody plays that way live.
@@patrickjordan2233for good reason. It’s quite hard to balance having a donking range and a check-raising range.
If you’re going to donk, you have to split your best hands between donking and checking.
Otherwise if you always donk your best hands opponent can just destroy your checking range.
That being said, if you’re playing against total fish who aren’t paying any attention to what you do then it’s fine.
That being said…this is a limped pot so I think I’m more inclined to lead than go for the check raise.
He’s behind to a set or higher flush draw. Should have shoved on flop.
Yes, getting 1k into a 50$ pot with a hand that’s a 2-1 dog or worse is always the correct play. Keep going. Great advice. Great logic. Never stop. There’s always a seat open for you
Villain can never raisefold a nut flush draw otf
No other hand fustrates me more than a 2 pair hand. They are meant to be broken.
Why even call in - just to rationalize his bad play in real time while talking down to Bart?
This caller annoys me.
This was a bad beat. So, the point was how NOT to play, I assume? After V called reraise flop bet, it's obvious he goes nowhere, so jamming turn was a poor move.
I would have raised about 40
Just jam and realize your equity ffs. Stop looking for the boogie man. You are printing in this spot.
Im sorry, but im not buying this hand one bit, and this is the problem with call-ins. People making stuff up to get on.
Bart, you've been playing long enough. If this player type has this specific hand and flops a 15 out combo draw and says he is going to fold to a flop shove, there is NO way this player type shoves turn on a semi bluff lmao. This player type always takes their equity and checks back. Guy says hes going to fold to a flop jam but were supposed to believe he stuffed 650 into 950 with 1 card to come on a semi bluff😂😂😂. Yeah, ok. Ive never seen these player types do that.
He’s not rolled for the game
Do u have to pay to call this guy. I have one hand I want to be reviewed so badly.
No, you submit your hand through email and he picks the best ones
I bet he had 87 spades!!
Hero has the 9 of spades
@@kennethchia4194 true, true, I edited
Yea he sucked out on the river. If the villian had anything less than a set on the flop he's folding against a jam.
This dude doesn't seem teachable.