Moza R12 Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.ค. 2023
- The Moza R12 is one of the best wheel bases Ive ever tried for the price. Thats basically it.
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Moza is killing it. I wish they were around when I bought in 4 years ago. Moza just needs console support and they would overtake Fanatec. That’s the only reason I am keeping Fanatec so I can play on PS5 as well as PC or Xbox.
Fanatec will always be better. They just have the ecosystem and name. Ur not missing out.
@@davidcupra4913 for how long though? As long as they keep themselves only ships to Europe + handful of overseas countries I kinda doubt that. And if Moza/Simagic/etc. starts to get the console compatibility Fanatec could be in trouble
there is one thing, PlayStation, xbox license is not free, Moza price will increase when they want include those
Problem is if they say "moza just needs console support they'd dominate" but in fairness, fanatec just need 4 more nm, they'd probably be the same lol
@@shaggyego they don’t tho. Most race drivers that Also sim say 8-9 nm is loads anything over is does not feel real.
Thank you for the share sir. I bought me an Alpha Mini and still loving it to this day. But I can't remember it being compared to the Fanatec back in the day. It has enough power for me at 70 years old. And it only cost me 517.00 US dollars plus shipping a few months ago.
I’ve been using a Mini for 6 weeks and I’m loving it. I was using a Moza R9 for 9 months. The R9 was okay, but Simagic’s products seem to be a bit higher in quality. The Mini is very smooth and I really don’t feel very much clogging, if any. Only time will tell if it’s built well enough to last me a few years until I can upgrade to a Simucube or other high-end wheel base.
@@vt6020 Righton
I tell all of you one thing people. I bought a CSL DD and was disappointed. Not because it is a bad product but how much I had been taken in by the hype of DD over good belt or gear driven wheels. Of course it is better than my old G29 but I'm sorry in terms of value for money versus performance ... nope, no way. I am just hear to say all these people have a vested interest and are trying to sell you something.
Be aware of that.
I think it is often the case when you go into high end Equipment that value money is not the best.
I also agree when i „upgraded“ from my beltdriven CSW 2.5 to the Csl DD i could not feel a big improvement, but fairly spoken the CSL DD is not more expensive than the 2.5 was, so it is Kind of okay. But yeah DD also is a little bit overhyped, but make sense overall, more Power and less mechanical components.
Great review, awesome presentation!
Thanks for this video. I hope i can test it at the Expo in Dortmund this year. I wanna buy my first DD this year and i am very interested at the R12.
2 questions. First you talk about the software give you a better performance in r12 , that will pass to the r9/r5 ? Or the issues tht you mention gonna still for someone that will get them now. In terms of problems that you say the r12 have, is due to the fact they send material from A to B to C until arrive to you? Or the report is from anyone that have adquire for personal use ? Anyway great review!
I will definitely be picking up the Moza R12 and upgrade my simrig for next years Assetto Corsa 2 release! Running a playseat with a T500RS + TH8A, its done me good throughout the years but its time to step up. Will go for a full simrig frame and the R12, need some good pedals and a better shifter as well. Planning quite the upgrade :) VR would be the cherry on top.
Thanks for this video Random Callsign :)
What is Bob (your light)? Do you have a link? As always thanks for the great content!
Thanks for the review. Would the R9 feel better with the new software? I'm looking for a dd but will only be mounting to a desk.
If youre going on to a desk id recommend the r5, especially if youre not that serious. I am moderately serious and immediately wanted to switch to the r9 after getting the r5 since i have a cockpit. if you arent that serious with it and only have a desk the r5 is the best especially being only 500 USD.
A direct comparison for drifting would be amazing❤
i second that.. comparing it to the GT DD PRO / CSL DD
I bought an R9 within a few weeks before the R12 was announced. Definitely wish I'd known that was coming
Same
Hey great video! How have you gone with longer race stints? Have you noticed any overheating or lessened FFB?
Thanks
No issues with heating since I've had it.
Great video! Would you recommend any other forumla/gt wheels that can be used for this apart from the KS wheel and it fanatec compatible with the r12?
Also at a similar price point
Does the R12 also get as warm as the R9 and starts reducing the FFB because of this?
What bolts you use to mount it to your cockpit?
Moza is crushing it right now with their products and pricing but their logistics and transparency with customers needs a lot of improvement. I ordered my R12 and KS wheel almost 3 weeks ago and the order is still in the processing stage. Apparently it's due to them being out of stock according to other unhappy customers in their discord who have spoken with their customer support but the out of stock info was not disclosed on the their site when ordering it. It allows you to order $850 worth of gear and pay another $100 in shipping and says will process within 20 business days. That could mean 1 day or 20 days or somewhere in between but only to find out it won't be until the 1st week of August because of stock issues. Also paying $100 for domestic shipping is a bit ridiculous when somehow their retailers who are also domestic are able to offer free shipping. Had they had something on their site that says "currently out of stock, expected restock 1st week of August" I would have just ordered from a retailer, saved $100 on shipping, and got it in the same amount of time. A little sketchy on their end and for as much as myself and others are spending with them I would expect the customer service/transparency to be a bit better, but either way I'm definitely excited to test out the new gear. Hope this helps if anyone is thinking about ordering direct from them.
does it overheat and throttle the force like the R9?
Nice review, thanks 👍
Glad it was helpful!
is r9 ff on pair with r12 ff after software update?
Any concerns regarding stability of mount due to shallow screw holes?
I've had an R9 and now R12 bolted in, zero concerns. It ain't moving a jot
I bought the CSL DD bundle with basic wheel and pedal for 399 and got a 8nm power supply for $35. Still the best entry level deal imo and it's pretty much all I need at the moment. If I eventually upgrade I would definitely consider moza, as I think their mid range wheel and wheel base selection and price to performance ratio is great.
Agree, moza r12 base itself is over 60% more expensive than the whole CSL DD bundle and if we add on top of that their insane shipping prices (over 80 euro in the EU) it becomes even more. Imo fanatec still wins in terms of value by huge margin.
Which 8nm PSU did you buy for the CSL DD please?
@@zaraza. talking about shipping, you can simply buy from your nearest official distributors
@@mArvAlcao71 You are correct, I just checked and there seems to be an authorized Moza reseller in my country. However, the price advandage is still in fanatec's favour. If i were to purchase a bundle similar to CSL from Moza, with R9 as a base including wheel and pedals I would have to pay over 50% more. I don't think there is enough difference in quality that would justify the price difference.
@@zaraza. You'll be happy with Fanatec offerings, and lucky too as you live in Europe.
Such a shame Fanatec only operates in Europe and handful of overseas countries. I was considering the GT DD Pro packages for a long time, but they don't ship to my homeland, and hefty reseller tax is too much for me, ultimately bought Simagic Alpha Mini
Does the quick release come with the base and wheel?
Thats one thing i absolutely hate about Fanatec, they react so slow... IF they even react.
While other companies are pumping out products, Fanatec does virtually nothing.
Even already announced products are seemingly nowhere to be seen, like the long awaited QR2.
i agree i think they focus on optimizing their products and improving on existing products, the Ceo said that they’d rather revise and have longevity over other products on the market
@@lil_chungy6057 Then they should communicate more and give updates!
Anyone notice delay or input lag when turning the wheel fast as in counter steering? Or really bad FPS drop on some games?
can you use fanatec wheel on this base?
Are software improvements related also to r9 v2?
For those of you using HGP shifter for manual shifts, you might have noticed plugging the shifter to the base doesn't quite work, as the software detects the shifter's presence but not the shifts themselves, so I got in contact with support over discord, they are aware of it and a firmware uodate that fixes this is on the way and should be released anyday, until then you can plug it to your pc directly via usb
This is specific to the r12 and should not happen in other bases so if it happens to you and it's not an r12 I'd suggest contact support
Does it overheat?
how would you compare the feeling of detail between Moza R12 and the Fanatec CSL DD?
I would like to know that as well..
great video as always Random
@@RacingTherapyfanatec has better detail compared to R9 , R12 should have same detail with R9.. so go figures
So the R12 is Moza-lly okay for the price, got it!
I like the Simagic Alpha U for the price and quality. They also have some great wheel rims for great prices. At 23 nm you’ll never need anymore power.
Please do the drifting one, or a both. I want a wheel upgrade but there is just too many options. I just want the most realistic option without spending more than 1000 usd. Just don’t wanna regret my purchase
R12 needs more indepth reviews and testing. Maybe I might upgrade from R5, but I'm not convinced yet as I run R5@60% in-game and it's plenty strong, even shakes my tubular full rig with bass shakers.
any issues with overheating like the r9? hearing about overheating issues
So far I haven't had it overheat at all and have been playing long sessions 🤔
This system is beyond awesome for drifting I use the cs wheel th Moza shifter that is unbeatable in how shifts feel and a handbrake from ebay it's perfect for drifting
is there a reason why they haven’t supported consoles? there isn’t exclusivity with licenses right?
Kudos to Moza in terms of the product line up. QC needs improving. Fanatec urgently need a mid-range base, 12-15nm.
and the overheat like r9??
My R5 has beean working perfectly...even teh software. I had a lot of issues with Fanatec and could not be happier with Moza. My only negative is the subpar power supply, which Fanatec is of higher quality. Sure, Fanatec has much greater catelogue of wheels..but I'm not interested in using so many, just a round and formula style.
If only it was mid-August.. that’s how long pre order wait is for my R12 and CS wheel combo.. I don’t know if I can make it that long! I’m on a t300 btw just for reference.
So Moza R12, or Logitech G Pro bang for the price?
Logitech Pro doesnt have an ecossystem yet
Pretty deep in the Fanatec ecosystem so I’m gonna stay with the 8nm CSL DD and hope they have something cooking in the 12-15nm range.
im a discount code away from ordering a whole moza setup with the r12 rn
Are they compatible with xbox
R5 or csl DD? There the same price with a third pedal, I dont know what to choose.
Csl
Moza all the way, as someone who has now used both there is a massive quality difference in the low end wheels between the two. The r5 bundke is a better deal for sure eith much better software. The fanatec quickrelease is garbage they aremt worth getting till the update it at least. I cant say if the SRP lite pedals but the normal SRP pedals are really good. R5 with srp pedals with brake performance kit is the best deal in my opinion and it aint even close
Absolutely the CSL, the DD with the boost kit is more comparable to the R9, the R5 is like a dd without a boost kit but there’s no way to upgrade like on the CSL. If it’s between the CSL DD or R5 absolutely go with the CSL dd.
My Moza R9 makes a electrical noise when i put the wheel,also gets hot and loses ffb power after few laps
is yours v2 or is this mainly an issue with the v1 r9?
For having trying this R12 on a official reseller for hours versus an Alpha Mini, mate... Moza is a sh!t... Simagic is on top
Some impressive reverse racing in there 🤣
i thought i was going crazy..
It has, 4 real, no cooling problems after a long, long stint! 😂
Did you notice any heat in the base?? I own the r9 and gets really hot after 30 minutes playing ACC. I will return it.
really hot ? like burn hand maybe you have too high strength setting
@KnowerofThings it gets very hot and lately have a burning smell. It is set at 80% default settings in the pit house, and I have at 70% FF in ACC. I bought the 2 year warranty at Micro Center. I will try to get the r16 in theory. It should be better
The Fanatec CSL is only $399 so
can someone please be honost is it better than the csl dd or DD v1 from fanatec... you know the unrealstic thing about the fanatec wheelbases are they wubble from left to right when you drive and let your hands of of the steering wheel thats not happening in real life.
That thing you describe also happens with any other wheelbase when a dampening filter is not set in.
@@randomcallsigni saw a review of the r12 on the Gaya assetto corsa channel, where they draged the wheel to left while rolling and it stayd left like real wheels on the street, i never could do that with my csl dd
add dampnening
What you guys think R12 or used DD1?
If you don’t need console support then Moza.
Don't buy moza it's cheap junk honestly
Buy simucube if u want quality!
its time for fanatec to bring clubsport DD if I calculated taxes and converted it into euros r12 would be about 664.6€ and i would expect cs dd to be bit higher than that and with similar forces
Too powerful for deskmount?
Thanks for the video.
You can always turn it down
I don't understand why the R12 is "so great", but there is a way better 12nm wheelbase. The Asatek La Prima. Yes tis more expensive. But it have upgrade option to 18nm, it has way more rotation points/bit resolution and also its ffb is considerable one of the best in all wheelbases. Its more in the simucube range then the fanatec one. The Asatek products are also way more compatible with onther wheels. Moza is a closed system. Can you compare the R12 to the La prima?
Fanatec better up their game both in value and quality, because they will get eaten up. the dd1 and dd2 even when good, are ancient now and still have some limitations. Between Moza and Simagic in the low and mid range this is looking quite good for all of us.
Time for a 15nm csw base!!!! Come-on fanatec!!!
@@samuelvanlanefirst of all they need a better qr….man this thing is trash.
Would love to switch to Moza, but no console support. And switching to PC is too costly.
I can tell you what fanatec has: better design and wheels that doesn’t look like children’s toys + an unbeatable dd entry bundle
well, yeah for example they bmw wheel can be used also at real bmw race car
@@TheGabberworld does it? i mean for that price it better does some other things.
Is it compatible with PS?
no
Thats why fanatec is better it's compatible with consoles and pc and has a huge ecosystem, customisation and quality
@@ramirez4456 quality? Aren't they the ones whose brake pedals always break?
well no shit they've been in the game longer and is more expensive so it's a must that they're *better* right?
@@bluechip6596 I've also never seen any brand's hardware fail more consistently than Fanatec. Half of the iRacing clips compilations seem to have a Fanatec wheelbase just dying, or restarting themselves mid-race.
1 minute in and I’ve already decided to go the fanatec route lol
8nm DD GT ftw😂
it just needs console compatibility and ill make the switch from fanatec
My moza broke within 2 months and the customer service was awful
r12?
Just bought my R5 about 15 minutes ago and got CRP pedals a couple weeks ago but upgrading from a R5 bundle over all so if anyone wants to buy a R5 bundle with a clutch pedal to hit me up $300 for the bundle
Console support is something...
Naa I have a PS5 and the Moza is not compatible so I'll go for the Fanatec DD PRO
What are your thoughts in comparison to the Logitech PRO Wheel? Because of the region I live at, the only official brand that sells in my country is Logitech. Thrustmaster and Fanatec don't offer me a direct way to buy their products. With Moza I have the opportunity to have my order shipped to my country, only that I would have to take care of taxes and customs fees.
Where I live the Logitech wheel is priced at 1273 EUR (final price, free national shipping and I have 2 years warranty). The Moza R12 + KS wheel are 780 EUR.
My goal is to spend max around the 1300 EUR pricepoint for a wheel/base combo
I wouldn't bother to order a Fanatec wheel because:
1- they are not the cheapest in the market, which gives more weight to the points below
2- I would have to buy in another country then import the wheel to my country
3- I want to avoid risking having a faulty product and then having to deal with a big mess to return the product and get a refund or a replacement
Moza has popped into my radar because of:
1- shipping to my country is possible directly from the store
2- the price is very good and even after importing fees it is potentially cheaper than the logitech
3- warranty service is possible although I would have to ship it back
4- Moza's ecosistem
And the advantages of the Logitech wheel that apply to my case are:
1- I can buy it nationally, so no breaking my head around taxes/how to get it here
2- warranty support is my most straight forward option, I send it back to Logi and they take care of it
3- after doing some digging I came to the conclusion that comparing it to a Fanatec setup it was pretty much at the same price point but without all of the hassles of importing
I can't compare the experience between both wheels though. If I end up finding the way to get the Moza for cheaper then maybe I would take that option. But if I found them for the same price I'm thinking about getting the Logitech.
I also need to take into account how reliable Mozas tend to be to know if I'll be likely to need warranty. If that were to be the case then I think it would be cheaper to have the Logitech considering the difference of price for returning them.
Jump in AMS2, leave AAC in the past where it belongs. The moza will really shine there, I love it
Nah. Ams2 isn't that good.
@@randomcallsign thrust me, give it a try. Even Jimmer had to take it back. 1.5 is launching, and when it's here the phisics will be on par, or better
@@michelegiammarroni6748 Ive already had a try. And spent 100quid on it. Its really not that good.
@@randomcallsign how many months/years back? This update is massive
Since the last update, so a few weeks ago and during this video. All updates are massive. And massively disappointing. Im not really entertaining AMS2 again. Not worth my time. Im glad you like it.
thats weird you have been getting bad batches my r9 has been mint the last year now
So how do you pronounce MOZA - is it Mot-za or is is Moh-za? I lean towards the latter.
yes
In English MOZA is pronounced "Mow-Zuh". Rhymes with Sofa & Nova.
@@jonproctor3739 You mean like Mauser? that doesn't sound right.
How’d you get Mauser from Mow 😂
Do you (m)now (pronounced like now) the lawn? No, you “Moe” the lawn, he was meaning it like “Moe-Zuh”
Multiple choice:-
A) Moz-ah..
B) Moz-a
C) Moz-er..
D) Mo-zer
E) Moo-za
F) Moo-zer
F) Mooz-ah
I have had no problem with fanatic even the pins broke off after a few years of abuse. And I live in the United States
I swear people want to find any reason to like Moza just cause they hate Fanatec so much 🤣
Are you sure that's how they pronounce their company name? Z's typically only get the "pizza" treatment when there are two of them in a row.
Does anyone really need anymore than 8nm
Only reason I would say yes is if your main game is ACC some cars have softer ffb than others. Even when ffb is maxed out in game it can still feel low.
Yes. More torque isn’t simply about making the wheel heavier, it’s about ffb headroom, plus bigger, more powerful, motors are usually quicker in their response and such. Lots of people think you just max out your ffb settings and call it a day and then think even like 4-5 nm is enough, but in reality you’re clipping the ffb. When you actually turn down your settings so that you can feel all of the details, even under load in a corner, the lower the nm, the more “toy-like” it feels.
fr, it doesn't make sense, the neverending race for wanting more and more it's just stupid, 8nm it's more than fine
@@BazzookieExactly as you say. I have G29, if I put more than 45% of ffb, it clips almost everything in any curve, however 45% of 2.5 Newtons is practically nothing.
@@nicolasoliveira4903 Nah., You just have set up your Logitech wrong. Your wheel shouldn't clip. You need to set up the ingame gain correctly
But why do all of their wheels look like $50 Kmart toys. All of their buttons look so so cheap. Nothing ever looks like a real wheel and the rectangular buttons on another wheel they do is so bloody cheap looking it's crazy
This title has so much bias, why would anyone click on it for an unbiased review?
DD1/DD2 still the best offerings for console compatibility. Moza has nothing on Fanatec in that regard.
I'm looking to get out from under Fanatec and Moza seems like a decent option, but what I've heard about the quality control... it just scares me.
I could say the same thing about what I've heard about Fanatec's quality control.
I've definitely changed my mind about that statement. I think more or less every company making sim gear will have QC issues to some extent. I've also since purchased a Moza R12 and it's been a wonderful experience for me.@@The_Mup
No console support so trash. I do have a pc but prefer the PS5. Once it has support for it it’ll be golden
Is it neccessary to bash Fanatec all the time. They are still the biggest player in high end sim racing area. Sure they are loosing big parts of the market to really good companies like Moza. But at the end the only thing which is a big improvement compared to Fanatec is the QR.
I guess the main reason why fanatec was not improving the QR is because of their eco system (the QR exists 10 years). And they already announced that there will be a new QR2. And come on the QR of Fanatec is not perfect, but it is still a quality product. Fairly spoken, if i would not have any equipment right now i would probably go with moza too, but i am sure Fanatec will close the gaps to Moza really quick.
That's the standard in this fast moving tech age (not even fast moving because of big leaps in tech, just fast moving in constantly releasing new stuff). The moment something new and slightly better comes along, people act as if the gear they used for years instantly became obsolete, bad and unusable. Is this r12 better than similarly priced fanatec gear. Probably. Does that make the fanatec gear any less usable or even enjoyable? I doubt it. And don't forget the console compatibility (one set needed for pc and both consoles) and the big ecosystem, with many wheels to choose from. It's great that companies like Moza are coming up and doing well with great products, but I don't get that we have to put down others while praising them. It's the same everywhere. You can't like both xbox and PlayStation , you can't like both canon and nikon camera's and so on and so on. The title of this video alone almost made me not want to click it.
Just be glad there's so much choice, pick what you like and be happy. No need for that other negativity!
@@ohnoosenollen2731 Look 2 years back on old reviews and comments and that time you can compare a plastic QR from thrustmaster and a full Metal one from fanatec. And when the fanatec Csl DD was announced it was praised everywhere and many people call it is a revolution to Simracing.
With quality product i mean it is Full Metal QR on a toy, it is sturdy and the tolerances are not perfect but acceptable, thats why people bought several wheels for 10 years and not many complained the QR.
And again i have no problem people saying moza or others are better than Fanatec. The thing that bothers me is that the say fanatec is low quality and it just isnt.
@@ohnoosenollen2731 i have no dubts, that a lot of customes will end up on moza or other brands, because of the quick release. But many act as if the quick release from fanatec is "shit" and it's almost unbearable to be able to play with something like that at all. And that's just nonsense. But in the end, tough competition is good for the end user and good for the price, so we can all be happy
Man tbh fanatec had nothing on Moza period I'm glad I chose Moza over fanatec
Are you still happy with your gear my friend? Any issues overheating etc?
My r12 will arrive today. I'll report if anyone wants to know
Simagic alpha mini is better in every aspect…
how? its more expensive with less torque
R12 isn't any more powerful than the 10nm Alpha mini ... Makes you wonder about how much they say is true. There's cogging because it's not a true servo but a cheaper brushless dc motor and a lower bit encoder. Also the QR you like so much... It was innovated by Simagic back in 2018 with the M10 and the wireless data transfer approach.
Like the Moza R9 and Fanatec CSL DD ?
to be clear: the mini has a peak torque of 13nm. Moza as if we can trust is about the same or at least 12nm. So yes on par
@@Michelsen3K I sell my CSL DD 8 nm and now I buy Alpha mini . It’s nice to have servo motor with little more refine details , more power and more smooth FFB and wheel rotation :)
@@P.I.D.27 Simagic seems to be a great choice! Enjoy mate! Let me know you think about the alpha mini
@@Michelsen3K well that’s the problem, you can’t trust Moza. They lie about their product specs