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After taking my 2017 Honda Civic Type R (FK8) to the track, I've realized that it does have a problem with heat management. Many times during my testing, the car just got TOO HOT. Here are 5 reasons why it's happening, stay tuned to see how I fix it.
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Thanks, great summary! So basically we need to do at least some of these mods:
1) Bigger Intercooler
2) Replace the front grill
3) Remove A/C
4) Add an oil cooler
How much do those cost? and I guess we need to do ALL of those to track it? I am looking to get a CTR
On a turbo car, during the Summer, you can mix more water in and use less coolant 70/30 works better than 50/50 for cooling. It helps immensely!
Whats up with that light blue smoke on start up
Bigger intercooler, mishimoto radiator n a oil cooler is the way to go. Coolant plus water wetter should also help. The grill would be nice, but if you can create a custom intake duct that would be better. Good luck hope things work out.
You are wrong about the intercooler. It will make it worse because it will make more power.
Bigger intercooler induces more dense air, more dense air = stronger explosion = more heat. Intercooler wont cool down the engine. A bigger radiator will.
I had this issue I pushed my car really hard on my way home. Sat in traffic a lot and my car actually shut off because it overheated. I got an Injen Intercooler which seems to help.
Little smokey at 1:48. Already started wearing the rings
Enjoying your channel, just subscribed. Just picked up a 2017 civic type r. Also championship white. Thanks for continuously putting out good info for type r owners and sharing your experiences. I am thinking about customizing the two fake air vents on the front bumper and making them functional. Either cutting out all the pockets in Berkeley the mesh or just cutting out the whole center and replacing it with a metal black mesh. What do you think? Hoping it will give the engine more air flow.
good vid. im always looking for tricks to overheated engines
Just want to chime in here. I have not got my Type R yet but it’s coming. I’m stocking all my mods while waiting. HKS Intercooler, Spoon Radiator, SEIBON Carbon, Sports Grille....so far so good. The last thing you talked about in your video..the oil cooler. That’s a challenge. The fake vents will need to be altered or a completely mesh grill will need to be installed. I was at an HKS Fair event and had a look at their oil cooler build. It’s not the cleanest design. The Greddy Oil Cooler ( Circuit Package ) looks a lot more intuitive. On the other hand, I believe whichever maker you decide to go with, the gains may be minimal if Type R FK8 owners can’t get air flowing to that space in the fender. All in all, you are spot on in your description of the cooling issues and solutions. Can’t wait to see what you do. I’ll be documenting my Tuning Project from April 2019.
To my knowledge Mishima has an accessory radiator to aid in extra cooling, most oil coolers I’ve seen sit behind the driver side fake front intake. I’d imagine the honeycombed front grill will defining help (frankly I’d love to know how it changed, if at all, the fuel economy and aerodynamic efficiency of the front). You should also try higher pressure radiator caps to help cooling too. I’d uses adding a turbo blanket and exhaust wrap to the down pipe and front pipe would help a decent amount too.
Very informative thanks Elias 🙏
Erm....because its a road car, for fast road driving, not designed to be caned round a track. A few mods, fixed.
Beg to differ, the whole point of a Type R is it a race spec of the platform without removing the requirement to be road legal, so it was meant to be tracked as well as dailyed if needed.
I recently installed a Mishimoto Performance Intercooler in my 2018 Si, and it dropped the charged air temp from 107F on the hot side to 95F on the cold side. I am waiting for a hot day (90 degrees F plus) to push it and than do some measurements. I was really lucky, I picked it up brand new still in the box for $300 from a guy who totalled his 2017 Si in an accident a few days before it was going to be installed on his car
Never had this problem with my Focus RS but then again all of the vents are functional ;) .... and I live in the U.K. where it’s a lot cooler for 10 months of the year lol
Glad I learned somethings in college, (Laws of Thermordynamics). Think of the engine as a bucket of heat. Via the laws of thermodynamics that is exactly what it is. Right now your overflowing the bucket. You have to increase the size of the bucket or decrease the flow of heat into the bucket. Radiator--- check, bigger bucket!! Intercooler-- I doubt it unless sombody, (nobody) could tell you it reduces the combustion temp a considerable amount. Furthermore the temp it reduced IAT from compression is just fed back thru the radiator anyways so people who think the intercooler helps with engine cooling should check their math. Oil Cooler-- I doubt it as I suspect it will get to the high temp just gets there slower. Bigger oil pan is the answer there but perhaps nobody makes one. The 6.2L in the Camaro's and Vettes run 10 quarts of oil and an oil cooler. Air flow--- check!! Get that new grill. A/C compressor is a non-starter, you need that. Your steps should be radiator and grill. The other stuff in addition to those may help but only marginally and therefore should be attempted only after you make the larger gains via radiator and air flow. I had seen that Honda cooled the exhaust manifold. They got caught on that one. Hey it is a 4-cylinder engine (small bucket) and you can only throw so much heat at it. Turbo adds heat, going from say 200 to 300Hp added a lot of heat and these manifolds added more. They should have seen this coming if they wanted to make a "track car" but folks make mistakes.
Michael Cooley yup ur wright about the added oil capacity lol I did that as well.. we had to make a custom oil pan with an addition of an accusump ,added about 3.4 more qts.
An oil cooler is essential especially with a turbocharger since the charger will heat up the oil super quick. The charger will also perform better and the engine will feel more responsive because oil is kept at optimal temp. It also adds oil capacity which is nice. If the oil is not cooling fast enough, add a larger cooler.
Also reduce the incoming air temp to the induction system. You'll need less fuel. Carnot's Formula.
Mishimoto makes universal oil coolers, and you can get a thermostatic sandwich plate (it goes between the oil filter and the engine) so it only flows oil to the oil cooler when the temps get up there. Not when you’re trying to warm up your car. Also install an oil temp/pressure sensor and gauge so you know how the oil cooler is working.
Really interested to see the results from these mods.
I believe the problem is the turbo placement in the engine
Personally, i stay away from turbocharged cars. Heat soak is overlooked by a lot of enthusiasts until it rears its head. If it can't be helped, look first at increasing air flow to your radiator and venting that hot air outward as fast as you can (hood vents). I wouldn't really recommend an oil cooler upgrade if you daily the car as not getting your oil up to temp will cause another problem. You can also duct some air from your wheel well to your intake area. Hope this helps!
Gerard Joaquino an oil cooler with a thermometer block off will help
Front mount intercooler, alot of cars from factory are switching to liquid cooled intercooler like bmw, Mercedes, even the 1.4t in the jetta or the 1.2t from Toyota
“Alot” is not a word genius... Please learn English before you start writing on public forums Sir.
You replaced the intercooler.
Also running the AC is not good.
No that was on my buddy's car
Hey nice video.. yea man I did a custom oil cooler and ducted the radiator and cooler and also shrouded it, night and day difference...
Great video gato. If you can do a custom oil cooler that would be awesome. I could be wrong but some people said you can make them relatively easily using transmission coolers as a foundation. hopefully your custom oil cooler works. i might need the blue prints.
Wrap the manifold piping wi heat wrap
Jason Boyle I was just thinking this while watching the video. After doing research on wrapping I was impressed at how this helps. Good shit! Glad I wasn't the only one thinking this was a good way to reduce temperature.
+1 yes, if that gold foil wrap is within one's budget i'd say go for it!
Gerard Joaquino even regular heat wrap is more expensive than I expected it to be.
Uhh I believe the manifold is built into the motor? I guess you can just wrap the downpipe.
You can’t wrap it, there is no external exhaust manifold.
larger core front mount intercooler and larger charge piping surrounding the intecooler, larger radiator, and larger core oil cooler
You know my vote. I love custome parts.
Easy. Fake air ducts.
Make them real.
Trust me. I'm an engineer lol
octaviush22
Simple answer. Start drilling the fake grills for all its worth.
All the air ducts are real. Failed
@REEL SIXX obviously you don't know what an air duct is. I own this car. All the air ducts are real. The only thing fake are the plastic vents. The two black vents in the front and back are the only non functional peices on the car. All the other vents work and serve a purpose. And this car is built off of the Civic. Those fake vents are on the Civic. They just built on to the car, they didn't add those to the Type R
Don't need to be an engineer to come up with that one LOL
😂 😂 😂 "one second, a civic si is trying to race"
Please could you tell me how to get my Honda type r hot 🥵 because always runs cold 🥶 what octane petroleum are you using ? We use 99 in uk 🇬🇧 so more break horse power and runs how it should at 316 instead of your 306 bhp any car will struggle in hot country
Your car runs cold? Use more throttle 😁
Funny 😂 I like that good for you lol bloody freezing 🥶 here can do 170 still be cold hehe not lucky like you hot 🥵
I don’t believe golf r or Gti has overheating problems
Love Like a Hurricane My Golf R definitely pulls timing/boost when it is hot though. It drives very different early in the morning when compared to the afternoon here in the Arizona summer. The radiator fan also runs for a few minutes after turning off the car. These high end turbo for cylinders are always a balancing act with heat.
VW's definitely do and all factory modern turbocharged small engines do. Few pulls and one can get the temps over 210F on engine and DSG easy on a warm day. The oil and transmission really need their own cooling because the turbocharger is hard on the oil.
That car simply uses the coolant to cool too many things. Even the gearbox has a water to oil cooler.
Vent the hood. Open more the front grill. Install a front air to oil cooler with a thermostat.
He needs drive faster for the vent to work lol 😂
What do you call hot was it at the top probably not lol
Get a high flowing grille first. Then see if the oem rad can cope before you invest in an aftermarket one
They made the FK8 type R first before they made the regular hatch out of it. It’s the first one that was made before the regular hatch 🐣
Have you thought the intercooler itself might be causing an issue? There's three things trying to remove heat from them in a row. The intercooler, condenser then the radiator. Is there no way you can have custom intercoolers at both sides of the car, under the car headlights?
I had similar issues with a turbo DC2 Type R. I lifted the intercooler out of the flow of the rad and my cooling issues instantly disappeared.
Also had a larger capacity rad but that just delayed the overheat protect kicking in on Hondata ECU.
I feel your pain on this.
Actually the way the intercooler sits is under everything, so it's not blocking the air flow
That's even worse then, there must be a way round this as Honda are running the CTR in the BTCC without cooling issues. I don't think removing the AC condenser would fix it either.
JAJAJAJAJAJA a little Si that was fun and you take that si so easy, i like more the FA5 in the Si, upgrade the radiator and the intercooler to improve the cooling in the R i love so much that R
Is that a camera I see at the top of the rear windscreen?
Glad to see you put the Si in their place.
Yessir, it was fun 😁
Have u tried using water wetter?
Worked on my Honda S2000
Elias, I enjoy your videos. I think you’re mistaken about an intercooler reducing engine coolant temps though. If my logic is correct, what the intercooler will do is reduce intake air temperature. This in turn will reduce cylinder head temp a bit before combustion which will allow you to tune more aggressively without running into detonation or preignition. The cooler air being more dense with oxygen will burn with more energy, creating more power AND more heat. From a tuning and engine safety perspective it is a great idea. I don’t believe it will do anything for the heat created after combustion occurs though. For that you need to increase your heat sink (radiator) capacity and ensure proper airflow.
You're totally right, but if you only cool the intake and don't tune for more power, you'll end up cooler intake, an then exhaust temps, which leads to cooler temps overall
FlyinGato Thanks for the reply! It would be really cool to see how each individual upgrade impacts the temp issue at the track, would make for a great video series! It’s a bit disappointing Honda didn’t do a little more for heat management from the factory. Loving the content as usual.
Excuse my non-engineering aptitude, but just a weird novice far fetched idea; in the AirForce we worked on engines that had and I'm sure still exist as they are such workhorses.. fuel/oil heat exchanges - cool fuel cools the oil and as hot oil heats fuel.. maybe its more dangerous due to fuel despite similar idea only with waterif it works for turbine propulsion aircraft why couldn't work with race cars? or is that too extreme?just my 2 centssupport your efforts, but why or what is Honda responsibly doing or planning to resolve this?While thanks for bring this and sharing all this with us, yet its tainting my love of Type R just a tad.. is there anything I should really worry about or maybe its better to wait this out for better outcome? if you ask me just like you raised the transmission issue w/ Honda Corp, maybe this is another one they need to address before next yrs models.
That fuel and oil cooler sounds interesting, but I wouldn't want to run extra fuel lines, I think an oil to air cooler should do the trick. As for Honda's responsibility, they designed the car to be a fast street car, taking it to the track and driving it like I do wasn't in the works for them. They would say, for my case, to remove the AC condenser, like they do in their racing efforts. It's been proven that works too fix the cooling issues.
Thanks! Totally agree
1. Push and pull fans on radiator
2. Redline rad cooling additive
3. Raise hood using washers
4. Your welcome
Too much fake air vents :/
KazVivid all the airvents are functional
Xen Xavavi no they are not, those giant plastic ones on either side of the bumper are solid, lol
That i have to agree... the rest are functional though
U realized you failed with that joke right?
Koyo rad makes a racing radiator, I use the Injen FMIC and have you converted to e85 yet?
I've been a die hard Honda fan since 1988. These new Type R's are slower than an SI or RSX with a Greddy Turbo kit lol
Cloneufc false, also comparing a aftermarket build to Stock is semi retarded...
Agreed.
some hood vents will def help
Cool Sriracha shirt mate! :)
thanks! I put it on everything
My type r is overheating on the streets not even taking it to the track yet he i need help i have to turn on the heater to bring it back to normal temp, i have intercooler mishi, downpipe rv6, turbo blanket and inlet blanket and hondata tune , has anybody experience this before and a fix please!
I don't know much about life in general, but id try the radiator first
Take it to Big Willow. If it dies, it dies. That track will find all your cooling and lubrication system issues.
Fa5!!! K20 no K24
😁😁😁
FlyinGato lol
@@FlyinGato Also, they do suffer from the same CMC problem. I replaced mine with the HR EM1 CMC and it shifts perfectly now.
Research a water spray system that sprays water on the condenser/radiator.
wait wait, when did u get a second typeR!
Nah it was just a buddy's I was helping out
K20z3 on the 8th gen si
K20 in 8th gen k24 in 9th gen
Some si owners are insane. They don’t know what they drive.
Yes but this car was made as a road car stroke track car that’s y Touring cars have loads spent and mods and cost well over £140,000 lol that’s the difference should of got a race car instead of a every day car and you said a gear ⚙️ issue your the only person with that problem do you think it’s not you and nothing wrong with car 🤔
Run it while the hood is open
The type r has too much economic roots from the civic hatchback and cost cutting its not a racecar idk why honda says its a track car if they dont even offer a track pack or competition pack that has a warranty and upgrades parts of the cars like the oil cooler better air flow and ow 60 oil
Well you’d expect from the Type R name it IS the track ready version but it’s not really there
3:37 and 4:07 lol.. good one
Upgrade to a Mishimoto radiator & Spal fan/s
Need some real air vents to allow better air flow
Agreed, looking into it
Intercooler
Bigger Radiator?
Yeah that's in the plans for the big build up
How about a different thermostat?
VTEC kicked in that is why
you need to just fuckin copy HondaPro guy and cut that grill
nice pass..................
Main reason: poor driving!
Fswing 95 cheap car parts
The new Civic's are ugly as fuck! Were the engineer's drunk?
Uninstall that fake ass vent
Meth!
Jesus.
*QUALITY* Oil cooler (this means not Mishimoto), radiator, change grille.
This is all common knowledge, and has been for a while now. TH-cam vloggers are something else, I swear.
35k and heat issues? not good. should of gotten something faster and better like a camaro maybe even a mustang. its all about american muscle right now. i am a honda fan dont get.me wrong but type r is over priced.
Jesus H Medrano what 35k mustang can beat this? Elaborate...
rob tran well depends on the driver but at least they wont overheat.
lol like just because leaning on the 8th gen
Yes but you seem to be the only person with heat issues and all these problems which is making Honda bad and if you changed the gear ⚙️ instead of only using 3 gears and Revving the tits out of it lol 😂
No we’re all having heat issues, that’s why most of us have “hot laps” then normal laps to cool down. It’s a big problem to me because I want constant hot laps, and I want the car to last a long time.
So many kiddies in the comments.
Just send me some parts and I'll ceramic coat them
You have any ideas as to where I should start?
New type r = lol
One ugly car
Y the Honda type r which did the record on the nubugring by a professional racing driver no problems with car ? I don't think this guy know what he is on about and I don't think he is that good to do any records lol 😂
Well we shall see about records, but those type Rs have the A/C condensor, which is in front of the radiator, removed. I don't want to do that, so I will be fixing the heat issues another way.
Its a Honda what do you expect ! Easy fix just hang two 16 inch 12 volt fans on the front fender, but because its a Honda your alternator will burn out ! How much did you pay for that P.O.S. HONDA = JUNK !
12 years old.