Massey Ferguson Backhoe Bucket Cylinder Rebuild and Other Leaks
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- We are back at work on the Massey Ferguson backhoe with a model 300 loader. We reseal the bucket tilt cylinders, replace a hose, and fix another minor leak.
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That backhoe repair is like playing whack a mole. You get 1 or 2 leaks fixed and 3 more pop up.
Negative Nellies seem to conveniently forget that it's the customer that dictates the perimeter of repairs to be attempted.
you cut out the best part! watching you try to get the plug back in that tank before you overflow the bucket!! its always a nail-biter
Heh. Turns out that was all that was in it!
@@WatchWesWork ahh you lucked out!!
Thought the same thing!! 😂
I most times fumble drop the plug into the bucket. It's better that way. Fun fact; the older we get, our thumbs don't work the same.
@@WatchWesWork wes,, you need to buy bahco shifters , to work on a backhoe. there skinny. but german,ish..
The concern about using teflon tape on hydraulic systems is those lazy people who wrap the teflon over the end of the fitting. When you install it in the threads the part wrapped over the end is cut off and gets into the system where it can clog a valve or something else. For this reason some people have probably been told not to use it. Of course like any product or tool, used correctly it works just fine. Charles
Now stop it with that 'experience' shit! How else will the armchair experts 'fix' things?
@@Le_Comte_de_Monte_Felin What I'd really like to know is how many armchair 'experts' have ever, even once, used the thing that they know so much about. How many of the Expert Welders have ever welded *anything*? How many Expert Plumbers own a pipe wrench or know where the plumbing aisle is in Home Despot?
Yep, if you're getting Teflon tape or pipe dope in your fluid you need to look in the mirror to see the problem.
Yup, it ranks up there with grounding your dust collection system. Someone hears you should or shouldn’t do something and before long it’s urban legend.
fastest way to void warranty on piolet valve systems is to use Teflon tape. the strings and pieces of tape get into the piolet areas and screw up the valves. not allowed to be used for any reason on cranes. smooth no grit only. tape will stick the piolet valves and make the system not work or stick at some point (bad news). i just use old school rector seal slow set.
I have found it is always best to consult the experts in the comments before attempting any job you have done successfully thousands of times so you can find out how you are doing it wrong.
I should do a whole video where I try to fix something using only suggestions from the comments.
@@WatchWesWork that would be awesome and fun
@@WatchWesWork Awesome idea! That will be a hilarious train wreck.
@@WatchWesWork waste of time, money, energy and materials
when the new mustang video - not your comment section so its ok to ask
Quickly becoming one of the premiere YT channels.
No flashy 'look at me' videos. No 'I'm so great because I did....' videos.
Good hard working down-to-earth people sharing the how to get it done of being an independent mechanic on ALL things that move.
So glad you share your experiences with us. I have learned a lot.
Sincerely, Thank You!
Hi Wes. Like your videos. Don’t worry about making new content every time. We like to see every day stuff too. 👊😎
At the 4 min 40 sec mark, you made me proud to be a viewer😊 crescent wrench for the win!!!
I hear you Hank! I probably own $60,000 of hand tools. I still use a Crescent wrench every day!
@@WatchWesWork.....And still the best go-to hammer in the tool box
@@WatchWesWork And still made in the good old U.S. of A. as far as I know!.
@@BobSmith-iu3hx I had to check. That is an actual Crescent wrench, not a chineseum open end adjustable wrench. But I wonder, was it SAE or metric? 😂
I am always a little amazed at how many people comment that I have a crescent wrench that is actually "Crescent" brand!
Well Wes you convinced me to try the next cylinder rebuild instead of paying someone. You gave me the knowledge.
I was supposed to convince you to just take it to someone!
After seeing the mess of oil spewing out on the machine and him when he pushed that rod in I think I am with Wes on paying someone else to rebuild it! What a nightmare
@@WatchWesWork. I wish could take it to you but Italia is a long drive. 😊
After several years being the go-to for repacking cylinders and other hydraulic valve bodies I can't bring myself to do my own even though it's a simple enough job even years later.
Wes, I, for one, really appreciate the extra time and effort that goes into making videos for us part-time "work-watchers". Not that I don't keep busy. But your videos are informative, entertaining and, might I say, inspirational. Makes me want to go work on something. You, Eric O., Vehcor, and Andrew C... Cheers.
I appreciate it also. I have a 41 year old backhoe that I need to repack a couple of cylinders as well as replace all the seals in the pump.
Thank you for listening to us, I really appreciate it.
Ditto
“Come on - REALLY?!!!” 😂👍🔧 Best first laugh of my day. Thanks, Wes!
Torqued to Factory Spec.- "Ouff". Got ya! Enjoyed.
i can't blame you one little bit for not liking cylinder rebuilds Mrs. WWW is a very lovely lady - you're a lucky man.
My parents owned a Massey Ferguson dealership in rural Quebec (Canada) where I got my mechanical education tinkering on tractors and later help with repairs. My brother now runs the dealership that has been sold and still carries the AGCO franchise. Back in the day, we would look up customer's equipment on microfiches. Every months, I was put in charge of replacing the microfiches Massey Ferguson would send us. I still remember using the ecomm machine to place orders. An early modem device that had a place in the back to snap the telephone handle and would allow us to punch in the part numbers, the machine would read back the part number and it's location (In stock, Back ordered, etc). Later in the life of our dealership, we had to drive to the airport to pickup the very 1st PC, an IBM PS/2 with a modem. Our customers were mostly agricultural equipment but we did have the odd Industrial tractors. Figuring out the parts was more difficult for these for some reason. My mom was manned the parts, payroll and accounts receivable, my dad was in charge of sales and the shop. Funny anecdote, a few weeks ago, my mom told us she had a dream about ordering the seals for the rotary swing of that exact Backhoe and she remembered all the part numbers. Funny. At one time, they had 5 service trucks and about 20 employees. Seeing these videos brings back great memories. Thanks for sharing.
Our local MF dealer was also once a hopping place. I bought a Sunnen rod pin hone from them. So at one time they were rebuilding enough engines to do their own machining. I think they had an injection pump stand as well. But the family would not put any money into it to keep up with the times. They lost their Kubota franchise and then finally sold out to a larger dealer.
I learn so much watching your videos!... And a note; Your Wife seems so nice!.... You are very fortunate!😁
Been using Teflon tape on air lines, hydraulic fittings and natural gas fittings for over 40 years. Teflon and silly-cone...better living through chemistry;-]
Great vid. Good to see Dimples at the end.
She always adds a little class!
This video has made my month because I have been helping a friend and we have been stuck for a couple weeks in a few of the cylinders and how they come apart for a new seal kit and we were stumped so thank you thank you
I feel you Wes on parts. We had a perfectly good parts store here in Wenatchee Wa. Then Lowes came to town and put them out of business. First Lowes had all the hardware and slowly, ever so slowly they began reducing parts inventory till now it is maddening to try to fix anything. We had Pybus Steel, and Wells and Wade and you could fix anything. Not any more. The parts inventory is 1/4 what it was 20 or 30 years ago. I can remember walking downtown and looking at parts 30 or 40 years old in the windows and now you will be lucky to find a part for a car 7 years old. I do not understand how we could possibly beat China if we were to go to war.
I know. We still have a local auto parts store, but I'm worried they may not make it.
There’s a military truck in your yard!!!! You need to do a video about this one, and please hit de the record button.
I always appreciate your work, take a rest you look tired.
Your pops was obviously a very talented man as well handing down a vast array of knowledge to yourself... nice work as always.
I'm hooked on the humor.... and the quality of the work
The way you edited the shaft straightening, it looked like it suddenly shifted under load! Nearly choked on my coffee, lol.
Man, as an owner of a lot of old equipment, I feel your pain on the parts thing now. (I also hate working on hydraulics, beyond replacing a hose, because I always get an un-requested shower of hydraulic fluid, no matter how careful I try to be.) Thanks for sharing the video!
Pipe dope is almost as bad as anti seize at getting all over everything for days after you use it. Nice work!
Very true!
@@WatchWesWork It all wears off with time. Trust me. I know these things.
used to be if I walked past a jar of anti-seize I would get some on me ..somehow
@@anthonyanderson1954 I'm that way with everything. Anyone can tell what I'm doing or working on by what I'm wearing. It'll come off eventually. Honest witnesses of a working man. I've got an old METAL can I've had for 40 or 50 years. Filled it up several times and thinned it down with unburned motor oil. Still works just fine. Still wears off eventually!
Heatsink thermal compound is pretty bad too. I did a thermostat on a tape shooter yesterday and I'm still finding white smudges.
Wes, I'm old school, My Dad was even older lol, he had a 1960 IH TD-6 they had "Drott" loaders. I think even the older TD-9's also had Drotts. I think IH rubber tire loaders had Hough loaders IMHO. Your a great heavy equipment mechanic.👍👍👍
His TD-9 was from the early 1950s. Started on gas and then switched to diesel. It had a very crude Hough loader.
@@WatchWesWork yep got it
@@WatchWesWork We still have a TD-25 gas start dozer here. Haven't needed it for a couple of years, so it hasn't been run in that time. I find those engines fascinating.
You have Patience of an Angel and an Old Soul
The Florida pool pump motor repair guy approved ! that was good info Wes.. that is no fun !!!
More worktime Wes watching. Great start to a Tuesday.
It's Wednesday here...
@@WatchWesWork I guess I do need a second cup of coffee...
First, you do not talk too much! I confess to be a little jealous of your customers. I seriously doubt that I could find, locally, a mechanic with your skill level or depth of knowledge. Keep up the good work.
I enjoyed the videos I'm watching learning how to fix mine and repack ect . thank you and if people want to tell you there way or yell at you they can always go to another channel. I'm still young and like to learn all the things I can so I can build my own driveway on my undeveloped land. and go to school. but i learn more on these videos .then school
Another good one Wes. But it did seem you might have been a tad preoccupied in a spot or two during filming.😊 Pretty easy to understand why you dislike doing hydraulic repair, uggg what a mess with all that oil! Nice to see the wife and “Pup” too!
It's crazy around here.
Nice fix. One more thing off your "bucket" list.👍
I got a set of Knipex pliers for Christmas and I love them. They are super useful and I think they're better than channel locks.
Totally agree!
Just watched video from 2/2020. Don't know how the comments get back to you. Think I've watched 99% of your videos and am waiting for you to post new ones. You make great, honest and informative videos. I'm picky. No outlandish or loud music. Don't like profanity. I'm a vulgar old coot. Doesn't mean I like to watch or hear it. Your wife ,kid and dog are GEMS. No, I haven't watched her channel. Just haven't gone there yet. Tell her new batteries can sit on concrete for a while. They just shouldn't freeze. Thank you for the time you invest in these videos.
Even your municipal mechanic friend is fixing heavy equipment. Must been a heavy winter.
Keep Rockin' Wes. Tell the wife and jr I said "Hi".
Will do!
Hi!
Really appreciate and enjoy your explanations Wes. You make so many of these repairs interesting. Thanks for taking the time!
I am one of those that requested you film the cylinder rebuilds and other fixes for this. Sorry for adding to your stress level but thank you for taking the time to film and share your knowledge. I really liked this video so if you want to plow ahead in any other work I will watch it, edit and filming seems great to me. Thanks Wes!
Thank you, I always learn stuff.
Hi, modest, pretty and smart!!. Thanks Mr &Mrs Wes.
Wes, Nice work! Glad you were able to work around slightly different parts that were hard to find.
Great video Wes. The best shower ever is a hydraulic shower.
Really enjoy your work!
Great video! I always learn something while watching.... I especially like the interjected words of wisdom!
As usual another great video as always informative and funny. You do a great job Wess!! Keep it up her works always paying off for you.
We love you both Wes!
Another great video! Thanks!
Persistent pipe leaks on cast can be sealed with water glass. But it’s a real pain in the you know where if it ever has to come a part again. It’s always amazing what the parts changers think a person needs to do. A real mechanic looks at the situation and determines what the scope of the actual project requires. It’s an old worn out backhoe that your just giving a few more days of useful life. Great content as always 👍. Stay safe wish you and yours a great day!
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You said to use epoxy, and right off the top of my head, that's the best solution hands down. AND, i just so happen to have used Loctite fixmaster for an unrelated repair, but, also with splines (a 2 meter long 700kg gate, some moron drove into it, breaking some of the teeth). I can't link ya here, but in the PDF spec sheet, this is one of the applications given by them and i'm 100% sure that the bodge we did just so we could close the gate until the new part arrived would've held a long time. IMO, gun it, go for it. It's so cheap compared to the alternative, there's no reason not to. Certainly better than the owner breaking the teeth completely. That'd be the end of it short of finding another cylinder and socket.
Another excellent installment! Thanks for sharing
Nice work Wes !
Mrs. Wes is always welcome on the video especially after a long day teaching rolling in with her shades snd coffee myg.
she would not give you the time of day. She is a school teacher, and you misspelled mug !
Hi...lol Steve give Sean a break I’m a bad speller too.
@@mrswes Baaaaa. Didn't see that one coming! Thanks for the laugh
A good episode. I know you don't like this sorta thing but it is interesting. You can get the splines on that shaft plated in hard chrome and build it back that way. I used to do that on worn out obsolete parts and it worked very well. Just tell the plater what thickness you need added. Thumbs up!
That is an interesting idea.
I’m not sure that this applies but in the elevator repair of very old generator or worm gear machine motor shafts that were pretty well galled, my mechanics would take the shaft to good motor repair shop and have the damaged shaft sprayed with molten welding rod steel from the appropriate welding rod to build up the damaged area. The shaft was put on a lathe and the sprayed area turned back down to the correct size. This was done because the motor shaft might be almost 100 years old and this type repair was far cheaper than digging out the old drawings and having one new shaft made. This may not apply here but my elevator repair old timers could solve most any repair problem.
Thanks for all the info you pass on It's appreciated.
Always enjoy your teaching . ..
One of those machines that if someone had kept track of the money spent on hydraulic oil that’s been added due to all the leaks, you could have possibly put that money towards actually fixing the leaks in the first place.
Crescent adjustable hammer to the rescue :-)
A.k.a. - A Swedish Nut Lathe!
@@bmacd2112 Lol. Truth
"adjustable hammer" lmao I'm stealing that
I have a complete set of metric sockets , allen wrenches, channel locks and even pliers. I mark them all as metric so I don’t have to go shopping for them again.
JoeB
Great video. Thanks
Very nice work Wes
Considering how much fluid that thing has dumped all over the place, should probably be renamed Messy Ferguson
There must be a whole bunch of those out there that got modified with a couple of small cylinders to swing it.
another good repair job. keep the videos coming
Well done Wes,love watching ur vids,keep on posting.
My wife just turned and said "what is he doing with that shaft" 😂 (17:15)
Did you show her? 😂
Yes West you've got the mechanical skills if she's got the looks love you baby
Excellent video
Great job as usual.
Mrs. Wes and the pooch too? We're not worthy!😀
I think I’ve said this before but, I don’t watch your videos to see some epic Lucasfilms cinematic event. Just video yourself doing stuff with commentary and I’ll be happy to watch!
Your local hardware store makes hoses?! Amazing! Must be a farm country thing. 👍🙏
Most Napa stores also make hoses.
Watch Wes Work Good to know! 🙏
Great job Wes
The best bet would be to find a "less wore" swing gear from a parts machine. But, you'd have to find one first.
your wife as such a pretty smile she put s one in my face lol
Thank you
great to get some insight for mine to fix soon
I don’t know Wes, I thought the video quality was just FINE! You don’t have to post perfect videos for us to enjoy them. I hope you and yours are staying safe. 👍
That hydraulic fluid is probably older than I am... Damn it's dirty.
Yah most farmers and contractors don't replace the fluid until it's leaking and runs out
If you get down to it that Ferguson is a piece of crap but at least the cylinders are fine now, don't let these TH-cam keyboard tigers ruse you into more undesired chores, i rather see you smile but it was good to watch you work Wes🛠 thanks man.
They weren't all that good when they were new!
Yes! I'll watch anything!
Perfect video for a relaxing Wednesday afternoon!
I'd just tell the customer to look out for a known good replacement spline shaft...or prepare to cut a sizeable cheque when it goes. This puppy is already a rolling classic. 😬
easy fix with the cutting torch
Tighten until it breaks, back off 1/4 turn.
Kinda like when I drove a truck. Buddy of mine used to say, "Back up til it sounds expensive!" Lol
Nice work Wes, keep it up!
Humour, Instruction, Tips + Shared knowledge = Much Appreciation, Applause, Laughter. Grazie Mille [Warmest regards to your Family]
Holy cow
You used crescent wrench backwards
Let the how to properly use a crescent wrench backwards war begin
Is it OK to use them backwards when you're using them as a hammer?
What about the pipe you slip over the handle? Which way does that go?
That myth was debunked.
@@WatchWesWork has to be black iron pipe with the threaded end out so you can either shave your calluses off, or build new ones.
There's certainly plenty of "internet myths" about LOL😉....👍👍
So good!
Love the WWW videos. Keep 'em coming! We love 'em!
How does it feel, Wes, fixing something knowing it has 50 more problems waiting for you?
Like basically every other job in the shop...
@@WatchWesWork job security
@@WatchWesWork that feeling when you're doing a ten minute job, and can't help noticing the 3 days worth of work the customer doesn't want done, just yet.
Sadly it can be done to the individual location - I've had trouble getting parts in one location, but on visiting another location they had loads on the shelf, and hadn't had a stock transfer request from the first location.
I found the same. Several days after I finished the job they found one OEM piston seal kit at another dealer.
@@WatchWesWork Ask the backhoe owner if he wants to buy it so he has it for next time. Rare spares are best when they are sitting on YOUR shelf.
Great job
Perhaps you can find a better used set from a scrapyard
Don't you just love critical Armchair mechanics that don't live in the real world? 🤗
and couldn't do what Wes does. I can't but I sure love to Watch Wes Work.
No "in theory" repair lasts beyond the first busted knuckle.
I only own 4"-15" crescent wrenches so you know I have never used one. I am also old enough to remember when the first auto parts store near where I live started making hydraulic hoses, the farm implement dealers all broke down in tears. It was in the 1950s as I remember.
Thanks Wes for sharing. The family brings it into focus. My son asked me today to teach him to weld. Having family involved is great. Tell the wife I said thanks for her putting up with the shots and extra time you spend. Wish I could buy ya a beer.
Nice! I remember my dad teaching me to weld.
You aren't supposed to use teflon tape on hydraulic or pneumatic systems because a piece of that tape can come loose and foul a valve. Pipe dope or hydraulic sealant do a better job anyway.
I’ve always purposefully not wrapped the last thread with tape to prevent that. Working on rotary screw compressors with loads of high pressure oil piping it was a necessity to tape and then dope fittings to keep them from leaking. One or the other by itself never seemed to work. These things ran 24/7 365 though so a small leak really added up over time.
@@corywillbanks6348have you tried loctite 545? I like it for smaller fittings. I can agree that in certain situations teflon tape is necessary, especially when care is taken to not apply the tape beyond the last thread. In general though it should be related to homeowners installing shower heads. Pipe dope works works so much better (in my experience) that I would hope it to be a plumbers first choice.
At a previous employer I did a lot of pneumatic valve failure analysis, and on multiple occasions found foreign matter to be causing valves not to seal.
@@GMC.Sprint I’ve messed with some of the loctite stuff although not that particular one does it work well? Looking at the spec sheet for it the problem might be the cure time to get it to take a proper set and getting threads clean enough for it to function properly? The other big problem I’ve noticed is getting things loose again down the road I’ve had to use a lever chain hoist on a 36” pipe wrench to break some 2” pipe back apart lol. Even regular pipe dope by itself is bad about that, it takes a set due to the hot oil flowing through the pipe and it’s near impossible to take back apart. That’s where Teflon tape shines it (almost) never degrades and has a slippery surface to allow easy disassembly. My theory is use both tape and dope, the dope helps seal it for pressure immediately the tape keeps it sealed in the future and allows you take it back apart. Lol belt and suspenders. I’ve heard horror stories of screw compressors being trashed due to Teflon tape as well and getting stuck in process valves. We also work with stainless fittings a lot as well and the tape keeps them galling.
@@corywillbanks6348 I went and reread the instructions on the loctite to make sure I didn't say anything out of line. My experience with it has been as an oem user, meaning most of my parts are new, and anything I took apart would have still been under warranty (so under 6 years old). Also all the vehicles I worked with were on relatively clean environments (no mud or salt). That being said, I have never had any issues removing pipe threads with 545 on them. That includes steel fittings in aluminium. It is definitely not thread locker.
When I was doing pneumatics, we used the 545 on most fittings and never waited for the cure times. Our systems only ran at 150psi though. There were also certain 1"pipe fittings where the old guys used put dope, and I'm not sure why.
When I was doing hydraulics, the systems were pretty simle and mostly ran with 2000 psi relief valves and less than 10gpm pumps. Additionally being a production environment most fittings would be installed hours (or days) before the unit was ready to start.
@@GMC.Sprint I’m gonna have to ask about some of that stuff next time I’m at the supply house and give it a shot. Thanks for tip!
I love your channel Wes!
Great Job Wes!! Even when you're pushed for time, you produce a quality video. Keep them coming
thank you Mrs. Hufflepuff, if my teacher was like you I would still be in school & enjoying every minute! Wes your video was very useful because I'm rebuilding a cylinder similar to yours. the ford dealer wanted $156 for a single seal kit, went to hydraulics repair shop & bought 2 kits for $81! your videos are always informative, no matter what you work on. PS tell Mrs. Hufflepuff she is my fav!
Wow, thank you!
This backhoe repair is a testimony to the economic hazards of working on fifty-year old equipment. This tractor is just on the edge of being worth only scrap value. You can easily spend $3,000-$4,000 on repairs and still have a rig that is worth only $2,000 (maybe). Without parts, everything you touch could represent a fatal failure for the unit. Wes seems to have a very large magnet in his shop that seems to attract these type of projects. I admire his determination to work with this equipment but I certainly don't envy his willingness to tackle the impossible.