What does £15,000 for a family EV get you, exactly? Pt2: Hyundai Ioniq v Nissan Leaf v Renault Zoe
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So as part of our £15,000 EV challenge series (each Monday) in this episode we look a bit closer in detail at the specs and exactly what spec £15,000 buys you.
Surprisingly there are some items amongst these cars that even my Porsche Taycan and Tesla don’t have! What the hell, I mean a £120k Taycan doesn’t have some of the standard spec of these cars (unless you option it for even more money!).
Each has sat nav, parking cameras, cruise control, Bluetooth and more…
See our detailed review on the specs and comparisons with these 3 electric vehicles for £15,0000
Hyundai Ioniq 28kwh
Nissan leave 30kwh Telna 6.6kw
Renault Zoe ZE40
The Zoe is much newer and lower mileage than the other two. Why? Well it’s a lease battery. That’s a very positive thing for many and means a very new car can be bought for a very sensible price. It has the best range by far.
How far do they really go? Well in our first video we did a range test with urban and mixed driving.
Coming soon we have episodes for practicality and motorway range.
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Really nice video! And really interesting cars, especially the Hyundai. It's worth mentioning that later 38 kWh Ioniqs had issues with rapid charging being really not fast at all - the 28 kWh is actually faster in a 1000 km race, provided it has chargers along the way!
Can't wait for the practicality review :)
BTW, I've done some really long trips in the Leaf - those seats are NOT comfortable over a longer period. They're really nice and cushy around town, but on a highway, they just don't give enough support. By the 2nd charging stop, I was grateful every time I saw a charger, because it meant a while away from these seats.
20:24 I've been through that recently, and yes. I got a second hand Renault Zoe, with the battery being leased by the previous owner. We asked Renault if we could buy that battery, they gave us a price (which depends on the battery's age and kilometers) and that's it.
Also keep in mind that newer Zoes don't give the option of leasing the battery anymore. It was too complicated to manage
FYI - Infinity Audio was an American speaker manufacturer formed in the late 1960's that produced some very innovative, high end HiFi speakers. They eventually became more mass marker after one of the two founders left the company and were swallowed up by Harmon-Kardon who were in turn swallowed by Samsung.
I had a Leaf 24kw Tekna and loved it for what I needed it for which was a 50 mile commute. Plugged in every night worked flawlessly. Also made a heated steering wheel and seats a must have for me on any future cars.
Since that I have had a new 2020 leaf 40kw and just recently replaced that with a model 3.
But my first leaf was fantastic for commuting. Monthly payments were less than the costs of the petrol I used before.
Great video once again 👍
Your reviewing the lower spec Ioniq. I had one for three years, it is indeed a brilliant car. You forgot to mention that you can connect the cars sat nav to your mobile and the sat navigation will get live traffic and take you along the faster route, often better than Google maps in my experience.
Useful review banter and good seagull impressions. Zoe battery lease is a carry-over from earlier EV years when buyers were suspicious of battery durability and Renault saw an opportunity to reduce the purchase price for what was a pricy hatchback. Lease is a pain as it's linked to manual mileage, like many a lease car. Rear seats are ok for nippers, but a source of discomfort for adults. Lack of DC charging is a serious disadvantage. Go Ioniq every time.
You can buy the battery from the Zoe, it costs like $2.5k but if the lease is a problem you can do that.
Love my 38kWh Ioniq. The efficiency is crazy and while the DC charging could be better I don't roadtrip it that much so it doesn't actually bother me much. We need more EV's in this price range!
Your reviews are fabulous. I don't understand how your subscripers aren't in the millions. Being in the US you are the only one I turn to. I haven't found anyone in the US that does as well as you.
☺️ thank you!
I'm biased because I own it for 1 and 1/2 month but IONIQ is in another league compared to Leaf and 1st/2nd gen. Zoe
I am running a 24Kwh Leaf as my car & it dates from 2015 .
I have owned it just over a year & what a brilliant car it is .
It’s reliable, Zippy when needed & suits my needs perfectly.
Mine also is Tekna Trim , I have improved the battery degradation using a PAYG Rapid charger at least once a month to balance the cells out up to 100% charge .
If the car continues the way it does and is doing it could become my longest ever owned car purchase 😀
Had my ioniq 28 for a week and done 1200 miles, 65kw rapid charging, 5 miles per kWh and great auto pilot on the motorway. love the sunglasses holder... great video
I was holding my breath and praying that the marker pen Joe was using to 'install' his rear-parking sensors was just a white-board pen... it's SO easy to accidentally pick up a permanent marker...!! PHEW...!
Being a bit of a details kinda guy, I absolutely loved this 2nd £15k EV video - great work.
When people rant about how "EVs are WAY more expensive to buy than an ICE car", they're often inadvertently comparing a base-spec ICE version with an EV.
When you add just the auto-gearbox and Sat Nav to an ICE car, the price jumps up significantly.
But, most of all, what this excellent video goes to show is that, EV motoring can be affordable.
Looking at brand new cars, £15k only gets you in to entry-level city cars like the Kia Picanto, Skoda Fabia and VW Up! - all perfectly lovely cars in their own right, but certainly not family-sized.
These 3 could quite easily cover 99% of a family's day-to-day needs - all with exceptionally cheap 'running' costs.
Always love your videos, guys...! 😎
Brilliant. As a customer of yours originally - I went Tesla model s. Then ex demo ioniq ( my fave ) then redundancy kicked in so Dino fuel Skoda. But now 30kw leaf. All great cars in their own right. I’d love a Y but need the lottery now lol. Loving this comparison. Best wishes.
All 3 good cars we had a zoe and loved it we did 15500 miles in just 14 months even with lockdowns and did 420 miles in one day so it’s quite ok to do long trips and was good spec car for the money and was big enough for us family of 4 was surprising how big it was inside when you look at the outside. Thanks for another great video
Great to see your team with you! Hi Mark 👋
You can buy the battery outright FYI, it costs a fixed amount based off the age of the car, and they subtract a set amount every year. For my 2014 Zoe that is 1.8K for example, closer to 2.5k for a 2017 41kwh one.
If you have any questions on it I'd be happy to answer them, personally I'm very happy with it, it accelerates like a rocket off the line and handles well, has great efficiency and surprisingly comfortable both in the front and rear seat with a big boot. Managed to get 2 big leather armchairs in it with the seats folded, so it really has surprising amounts of space for how small it looks on the outside.
Interesting video. but why the obsession with keyless entry, just makes cars easier to steal, loads of cases near me, especially where people either don't have or forget to use their faraday pouch.
Totally agree I would disable it.
The Rover P5B was a 4 door coupe decades ago.
Love my 2019 plug in Ioniq, great miles and fast when it needs to be. A solid car!
Being located in Canada, my judgement is a bit biased. Leafs (Leaves?) have a reputation for not doing well in our colder winters and Renaults aren't available here at all. I've been driving a 2017 Ioniq EV though the last five winters and I'm still in love with it. The top of the line spec. has even more bells and whistles than what you showed off here.
Great video. Lots of detail and fun in all the right places.
And, by the way, it is copper! Not brown!
Just sayin'.
Useful and fun video thanks. Will those parking sensors retrofit on any car? :-) I think the Ioniq stands out in this company - none are 'lookers' to me, but it would be my choice. I guess Renault will give up on the battery lease when the cost of claims outweiighs the income from rental.
We have a 2019 Zoe intens as a commuter and local usage. We see 211 miles in summer and around 125 miles in winther. -15C #Norway#
400v 3fase in our house, so we charge it with a Tesla wallcharger. 17,5kw out of a 25A fuse in the house. Works really good. Done 19000 miles in 1,5 years. Only parts changed in 32000 miles is of course climate filter every year, and once a set of drop links.
#Like on all Evs, remember to charge your 12v battery and keep it healthy. And remember NOT to have your main batterypack charge cable mounted when you charge your 12v battery #
Both my Zoe and M3P i keep the 12v batteries in perfect shape. No issues.
Regards, Kristian.
How do you keep your 12v battery always charged? I thought it charges as you drive the car?
@@SouthFacedWindows Use a CTEK 12v charger. 1-3 times a year. Do NOT charge your main battery while charging the 12v battery
Another great vid thanks, would it be possible to mention the safety ratings of the cars you review. I think I read the model 3 was one of the safest cars ever tested but the Zoe received zero in safe tests.
The original Zoe didn’t receive 0 NCAP but the recent facelift one did as it was put up against the new stronger NCAP testing
Infinity Systems is an American manufacturer of loudspeakers founded in Los Angeles in 1968. Since 1983, Infinity has been part of Harman International Industries. In the US, the Hyundai Ioniq is offered with the Harman Kardon audio system (which is only a marketing thing). The Infinity system uses the same speakers\amplifier as the Harman one.
I have the 2020 38.3 kwh verson. The sound system is pretty tasty. Harman International is the Parent Company of Infinity, Harman Kardon, JBL, Mark Levinson & AKG. Now owned by Samsung of South Korea.
Another great video thanks. I'll be EV road tripping my S P90DL down to the Le Mans 24 hour race this June, you should bring the Taycan down an do an EV road trip (legal) race video.
🤔😁
Do it, it’s a full luxury trackside glamp. Catered breakfast and dinner in a private site. Our camp has fridge, satellite TV, a projector, 4 player Mario Kart and a chandelier 🤣 Friday to Monday, only 2 days off work, or 3.5 in the motor trade 🤔
I have a 2013 Leaf and a 2021 Model 3. I couldn't care less that the Leaf has a sunglasses holder and the Model 3 doesn't. What I DO wish the M3 had that the Leaf has is the top down 360 degree camera view. There's something about the M3, large turning circle, wheels right in the corners that makes it the hardest car I have ever owned when it comes to parking - I've even curbed a wheel! In 40 plus years of driving it's the only car I have done this in.
C'mon Elon, the car has the cameras, it's just a matter of writing some software to make it happen. After all you added the blind spot cameras in a software update when Hyundai/Kia came out with theirs. Not that it's at all useful being located at the bottom corner of the central screen...
Richard, you must really have a base Taycan.
I have keyless entry, wireless phone charger, heated steering wheel front and rear seats with an option for massaging front seats.
Agree that a Taycan does not have paddles for regen (as Porsche is against that, use the blended braking to get up to 270kW regen) or a sun glasses holder.
Well mine was £120k new with over £20k optional extras.
I have the upgraded brakes, wheels, air, seats, rear steer and more.
However the remote central locking and other missing bits are optional extras. How on Earth can they be optional and not standard!!!
IONIQ: All seats heated, memory for 2 different positions of driver seat and side mirrors, side mirrors angling down when you reverse, rear and front parking sensors, heatpump, 69kW DC charging ❤️
"side mirrors angling down when you reverse" I'm amazed more car manufacturers do not do this, such a cracking idea, and all it takes is software if you already have electric motorised mirrors
@@darkoampem in practise it's ruddy annoying, especially trying to pull out on a residential street and you can't really see if anything is driving towards your anymore because you're staring at the ground.
@@JohnnyWestlake on IONIQ you can quickly turn it on/off by positiong the button that lets you set the angle on side mirrors in the middle position instead of L or R position 😉
You can now buy the Renault with the battery as far as I'm aware but leasing the battery is a better option I think for the reason you expressed that if something goes wrong Renault has to fix it.
I am doing my home work for first Ev thanks for your vedio I probably end up with used Ioniq now. Let me now if you are Planning to sell yours 😁
We still have it…. Superb car
The Nissan LEAF is really showing it’s age. Also the least efficient of the 3 EVs.I think the best value car is the Ioniq.
On the Hyundai, you can take the car to a complete stop by holding the pull on the left hand paddle, EDIT this may be only for the Kona onwards.
We find the sunglasses holder is an ideal place to keep your RFID cards!
Top spec on the early Hyundai & Kia EV models.
TBF the Leaf looks good in red, even with the toad like headlights! Just realised, never even sat in MK1 leaf.
Those single switch heated seats would cause so many "discussions" between couples, its bad enough with the home heating thermostat.
Don't forget the Zoe Q models can charge upto 43kw AC, like on the Twizzy, people can buy out their battery lease on Zoes.
We did find the UI a bit slow on the Zoe.
However Mark forgot the VERY BEST feature of the Zoe40.... starting Preheat from the keyfob, no need for an app to defrost the car!
Hi. The left paddle for breaking is not something available on the ioniq 29kwh (At least not on mine). I think it was introduced on the kona onwards.
@@mitman2011 oh, ok, my mistake, thought would've been the same!
As the owner of a copper pulse coloured fiesta, anybody calling it brown should get 10 lashes and a £40 fine payable to me 😂.
I'm coming around to EV's but still only for short local journeys. The three things that put me off are the cost of the cars themselves (never spent more than 10K on a car in 40 years of driving), charging infrastructure, you guys in the big city couldn't get on the chargers you wanted, and charging time.
Your videos are great however it is a little cheeky to say the ionic is £15k. Currently 2 for sale on autotrader in the whole UK under £17k.
I bought it for under £15k. I could sell it for £15k, although we may well keep it,
But I’m a professional car buyer so I should get the good deals, right?
@@RSEV I wasn't having a go. Just the title is 'what does £15k get you' I thought your review of the ioniq was excellent. So much so that I went looking for one only to discover it's not possible at that price. I'm amazed at the level of tech that comes as standard. Puts to shame so many car manufacturers.
I like that Hyundai Ionic 👍
Great video mate but the Hyundai I think is the best for families
The Hyundai is best for everyone. I don't think there is any new EV that is as efficient to run.
Hyundai is my favourite of the 3 and always liked them, esp the efficiency on them from videos I’ve watched. I’d be nervous of the capacity though on a long journey with the usable battery size. I’d be interested to see how it fares on the long range test. Can’t say I’ve ever been a leaf fan over all as they too were not brilliant range wise and defo not a Zoe fan. Impressive on one level range wise but they are not to my taste. Plus they are supposed to be awkward when it comes to charging with that different charge port to many other cars.
Can’t complain about any of these specs though! They are all brilliant in that respect.
I've got a 28 and did 430 miles in a day recently. Total charging time was under 90 minutes (6 X 15min stops). It's not a problem in reality.
The hybrid version of the Ioniq has memory seats you can recline far enough to have 15 minutes sleep in.
Isn't that the SE version not the fact it's a 'hybrid'?
@@FFVoyager Yep, you're right its a higher trim level, nothing to do with it being a hybrid. Still a pretty useful feature on longer drives.
@@darkoampem the SE also has leather and cooled front seats, heated rear seats, front parking sensors, blind spot detection in the door mirrors and rear cross traffic alert.
Hello mate 👍
I did little research and there is no ioniq, zoe 40kw and leaf with 30 kw under 15,000 pounds 🤗
In the UK there is quite a choice of the leaf and Zoe, not so many Ioniq. Just saying
How much do replacement batteries cost on all these cars ?
Do you know the cost to replace engine on your car?
can you guys do another one of these dual video series for vehicles over 5 passengers?
Where can you find a 28kw ioniq for £15k?
I was wondering that too - cheapest on Autotrader and Ebay I could find was £16,500, but 2018 with over 80k miles.
The Hyundai Ioniq wins this test for me by a country mile. I would race any 40kw Leaf in one and win by some margin. After owning 4 Nissan Leaf over the years the Hyundai is better built, with greater efficiency and longer range. It will be more expensive to buy though, as sales numbers never matched that of the leaf, never the less a cracking car.
Worth the extra mileage the car needs to have to get it in budget?
@@RSEV Yes, I think so. Hyundai Ioniq are well hammered together with the range, efficiency and longest warranty it would be my choice. I have owned 4 flavours of Nissan Leaf and had zero bother from any of them. The newer Zoe with the rented battery pack will provide piece of mind to nervous newcomers and the 22kw onboard charger is an ace up the sleeve. No real losers really, just preferences, every EV is a win over ice.👍
They’d all make great second cars but I don’t know any families that would be able to use these as their main car.
It all comes down to your daily circumstances, though, doesn't it.
All these 3 will do 100+ miles on a charge, so providing your family's journeys are less than 100 miles per day, then, yes, of course these 3 will all work - you simply plug in every night to wake up to another 100+ miles of charge.
Do that on an EV-specific electricity tariff and you're talking 100 miles for about £1.50, which is around 1/10th the cost compared to a 50mpg petrol/diesel car.
We ran a 30kWh Leaf for over 2 years and, for 99% of the time, it did our daily journeys just fine.
We even did a few 200 mile holiday trips down south - it just takes a little forward-thinking planning, but we had no issues whatsoever.
Overall, I reckon occasional 1% longer-distance journey planning is well worth the other 99% of cheap, relaxing and environmentally-conscious times 😎
This is a video of the future .... lads comparing EVs in 5-8 years time .... when the world really understands the actual need for cleaner transport and reduced costs.
Good luck finding a charger that works, I have had a miserable time trying to get charged while away from home. No chargers, broken chargers, chargers that require apps or cards or fobs, it's hell.
I’ve put videos out with advice. Only once, in the last 7 years, have I had an issue (which took 15 mins to resolve)
You should never have to least the battery, the manufacturer should be responsible, if there are any problems ......
Btw how are you surprised about active lane assist and adaptice cruise control? These are not new things.... and the reason that the tesla ap was never impressive to me.
Enjoyed the video, and I think a Hyundai Ioniq would be perfect for a family car for my wife, but where did you find the Hyundai for under £15k? Are the 2017 models rare or does being in the trade help? Cheapest on Autotrader and Ebay I could find was £16,500, but 2018 with over 80k miles.
Patina? Bloomin’ used car salesman!
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I think you are overselling the Hyundai. A friend of mine bought one (28kWh edition) and he is very satisfied, it is very efficient and drives easily 10 km/kWh he says, I am not sure it is true but he is very happy
You can do 10 km/kWh if you try really hard to 'hypermile'. I'm averaging 5.3 mi/kWh at the moment (about 8.5 km/kWh) driving normally.
I heard that the 40kwh Zoe had the 52kwh battery in it, but you can only access the 40kwh. Any truth to that and if so, anyone know if there's a way to access the extra? Might be worth getting the 40kwh as the 52kwh has no curtain airbags and therefore a rubbish NCAP!?
The Ioniq is probably the best but hopefully there'll be a test of its battery cooling (fan not liquid) and slower charging when warm! But probably still the best car here!
no, thats not true.
Have you got a Porsche Taycan per chance?
We all saw the Hyundai "Moronic" lable
It's an unfair test, the Leaf 40 should have been included because the Ioniq 28 (well, OK it's a 30 really) will easily beat a Leaf 30 :)
Ioniq is the car Nissan could have built (in 2017) if they'd learnt anything from the Leaf 1. Guess company politics must have got in the way.
A leaf 40 for £15k..? No, not really. That’s the title
@@RSEV Ah, I see! Leaf40 really not great value used at the moment then!
How many times is the bloke going to tell us he has a Porsche Taycan.
Result of video: Copper no Brown 😅
You forgot to mention the Ncap rating of zero for the Zoe, this is a family car review.
incorrect, the Zoe40 featured has 5 stars, it's the 2021 Zoe50 that had zero stars because they no longer fit side airbags or collision avoidance, hence failed the upgraded testing criteria.
That only applies to the newer facelift version of the Zoe (52kwh) not the one they were showing with 40kwh
No one will buy your shot Nissan for 15k are you crazy you won’t screw people anymore people are wiser today and they know that Nisan is well over priced for that dinosaur car
Fire your cameraman, he/she doesn't know how to use the focus.
Fire the editor, he/she is still including useless cuts that's out of focus.