Very thorough video and appreciate the inclusion of some physiology and programming science. I miss training these skills. As a reference for others, when I was able to hold a perfect cross for 10 seconds, I was moderately close to having the Azarian. There's a reason a cross is a B level skill and an Azarian is a D level skill. Keep working hard 🤙
Neither of your channels ever disappoints, Nath! I'm glad to see a tutorial about such an advanced strength element. Although my elbow injuries may never allow me to hold an iron cross position at all and I tend to stick to planche/maltese.
Hey, thanks for your kind words, glad you enjoyed the video. I too have struggled with elbow injuries over the years and cross and mlatese have been difficult to progress safely because of this, but interestingly I have never experienced any elbow pain with planche. I think it's because the wrist is more neutral (unless doing supinated planche, of course) which puts strain more through the side of the arm, rather than directly though the inside of the elbow as in cross or maltese.
Great tutorial on this technique and super motivating for those of us still in the elbow prep dumbbell tier of progressions. I actually thought an Azarian was a slightly different move, so thanks for teaching me something, since I've never been in any gymnastics classes before. What is it called when you are in an Iron Cross hold and you rotate at the shoulders to face one of your hands while maintaining the hold? I think this another technique that Mr. Azarian was famous for and am not for sure about the name now.
The move your talking about isn't a skill in terms of the current code of points (gymnastics rulebook that decides the difficulty of skills). It was to my knowledge first performed by Albert Azaryan in a competition where he was poorly scored the previous day for having high shoulders in his iron cross. Due to this in the next day of competition he turned to face the judges and said 'is this low enough'. This could also be complete bullshit! Wikipedia pulled this up - The judges were very strict and Azaryan felt nervous. When it was his turn, Azaryan pulled himself up on the rings and performed his own special technique. The judges did not give him an assessment at the time but he was invited to the next championship. It would later turn out that the judges had rated Azaryan's innovation as something "unprecedented." This technique Azaryan had performed would later become known as the "Azaryan Cross."
Hey, glad you enjoyed the video. Yes, both the move in the video and the skill you are describing could be referred to as the Azarian as both were first performed by Albert, however from a purely artistic gymnastics point of view, the Azarian almost always referrs to the slow backward roll to cross, as the turning and rotating in the cross is not a recognised skill. As MrCamjay says, the story goes that he did it in competition as an act of showboating/rebellion and judges were not too pleased, although you cannot deny that it takes skill to do it!
Thanks to both of you for explaining the distinction between the two movements and expanding on some of the history behind Mr. Azarian. As a complete beginner to crucifix skills, I've found training with light dumbbells while inverted in an aerial hammock to be good for establishing good form until I move on to more advanced/realistic progressions. Do either of you have a favorite baby/starter exercise for straight arm skills like Iron Cross?
@@melliferousanomaly561 My personal favourite accessory exercise for cross is cross presses with weights cables (as demonstrated in this video). It's a great way to accrue volume to drill the technique and to develop the elbow tenodn strength needed for the cross position, and it is of course totally scalable - you can start with literally a couple of kilos on each arm and build all the way up towards bodyweight. It acheives essentially the same thing as the exercise you've described, but it's just a more convenient and easier set up; if you don't have access to cables, elastics work nicely, and your set up would work too - but cables is my personal favourite.
Is very good initiative, but as a coach and athlete who perform azaryan i must say, you technic is wrong and unfortunely i do the same error than you at the begining. For azaryan you need to push the ring back to you and wide it with shoulder depress all time ,with straight arm, when the feet a over the vertical. The sensation is to do backside not upward. Good job for your training.
I'm very surprised with the requirements. I was expecting you to say something like "the Iron Cross, Full Front Lever Pulls ( I mean deadhang to inverted hangs), supinated back lever, and Straddle planche"
This is a great video! You say you are a taller/heavier gymnast so I was wondering what your measurements are, to give me some long term expectations for myself. Thanks for the tutorial.
what you call an azarian bent arm i call literally an hefesto :/ well im only focused on full planch for now. and all of thosevariations. i might try to move to the rings in a couple of years maybe.
I would say 2/3 sessions per week on the actual azarian movement itself plus once per week bent arm/accessory work would probably be about right, but obviously depending on your own recovery etc.
I will never go back to uploading regularly on this channel again unfortunately. I am too busy these days, and I have pretty much covered everything I wanted to when I started. I hope to continue to upload every now and again as and when new ideas come to me, but probably only once or twice a year, if that.
I would love to, but I can't do it either haha. I think the key is to have a rock solid rings handstand hold and a very low japanese handstand on floor, lots of straight arm, overhead pressing strength with dumbbells would help too
They're skins compression sleeves - I feel that they help to warm up the elbows and biceps a little bit so I normally wear them during heavy rings strength
I agree - it is not perfect, I actually admitted this in the video. I realised quite some time ago that a fully locked out azarian was just not feasible for me, because of my genetics and body type - I am quite heavy, with quite long arms, and hypermobile elbows which I have had injury issues with for years. I trained this movement with strict form for many months and just never got anywhere near unfortunately. I am proud of this achievement even though it is not perfect, and although a calisthenics purist might say this 'doesn't count' - I believe that it would be credited in a gymnastics competition, albeit with many deductions, and that is good enough for me.
The skill you are referring to was indeed done by Albert Azarian, but in modern artistic gymnastics, that element is not allowed. The skill in my video is also named Azarian
In modern gymnastics the Azarian refers to a backward roll to cross, rather than the cross turning from side to side, as that skill is not allowed in competition.
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Very thorough video and appreciate the inclusion of some physiology and programming science. I miss training these skills. As a reference for others, when I was able to hold a perfect cross for 10 seconds, I was moderately close to having the Azarian. There's a reason a cross is a B level skill and an Azarian is a D level skill. Keep working hard 🤙
Cheers for the shoutout Nath! Such an epic skill to work toward! Love your passion for training! :D
The humbleness of your video is a fellow athlete is amazing to hear… Thank you for your video!!!
Neither of your channels ever disappoints, Nath! I'm glad to see a tutorial about such an advanced strength element. Although my elbow injuries may never allow me to hold an iron cross position at all and I tend to stick to planche/maltese.
maltese and planche are no less dangerous than a cross as far as i know - all straight arm skills!
@@MrCamjay10187 my specific injury prevents me from loading the elbow in a cross position, but planche is fine (different angle). Cheers
Hey, thanks for your kind words, glad you enjoyed the video. I too have struggled with elbow injuries over the years and cross and mlatese have been difficult to progress safely because of this, but interestingly I have never experienced any elbow pain with planche. I think it's because the wrist is more neutral (unless doing supinated planche, of course) which puts strain more through the side of the arm, rather than directly though the inside of the elbow as in cross or maltese.
Beautiful tutorial🙏
Great tutorial on this technique and super motivating for those of us still in the elbow prep dumbbell tier of progressions. I actually thought an Azarian was a slightly different move, so thanks for teaching me something, since I've never been in any gymnastics classes before. What is it called when you are in an Iron Cross hold and you rotate at the shoulders to face one of your hands while maintaining the hold? I think this another technique that Mr. Azarian was famous for and am not for sure about the name now.
The move your talking about isn't a skill in terms of the current code of points (gymnastics rulebook that decides the difficulty of skills). It was to my knowledge first performed by Albert Azaryan in a competition where he was poorly scored the previous day for having high shoulders in his iron cross. Due to this in the next day of competition he turned to face the judges and said 'is this low enough'. This could also be complete bullshit!
Wikipedia pulled this up -
The judges were very strict and Azaryan felt nervous. When it was his turn, Azaryan pulled himself up on the rings and performed his own special technique. The judges did not give him an assessment at the time but he was invited to the next championship. It would later turn out that the judges had rated Azaryan's innovation as something "unprecedented." This technique Azaryan had performed would later become known as the "Azaryan Cross."
Hey, glad you enjoyed the video. Yes, both the move in the video and the skill you are describing could be referred to as the Azarian as both were first performed by Albert, however from a purely artistic gymnastics point of view, the Azarian almost always referrs to the slow backward roll to cross, as the turning and rotating in the cross is not a recognised skill. As MrCamjay says, the story goes that he did it in competition as an act of showboating/rebellion and judges were not too pleased, although you cannot deny that it takes skill to do it!
Thanks to both of you for explaining the distinction between the two movements and expanding on some of the history behind Mr. Azarian. As a complete beginner to crucifix skills, I've found training with light dumbbells while inverted in an aerial hammock to be good for establishing good form until I move on to more advanced/realistic progressions. Do either of you have a favorite baby/starter exercise for straight arm skills like Iron Cross?
@@melliferousanomaly561 My personal favourite accessory exercise for cross is cross presses with weights cables (as demonstrated in this video). It's a great way to accrue volume to drill the technique and to develop the elbow tenodn strength needed for the cross position, and it is of course totally scalable - you can start with literally a couple of kilos on each arm and build all the way up towards bodyweight. It acheives essentially the same thing as the exercise you've described, but it's just a more convenient and easier set up; if you don't have access to cables, elastics work nicely, and your set up would work too - but cables is my personal favourite.
Very informative 👏 thank you sir
Is very good initiative, but as a coach and athlete who perform azaryan i must say, you technic is wrong and unfortunely i do the same error than you at the begining.
For azaryan you need to push the ring back to you and wide it with shoulder depress all time ,with straight arm, when the feet a over the vertical. The sensation is to do backside not upward.
Good job for your training.
I'm very surprised with the requirements. I was expecting you to say something like "the Iron Cross, Full Front Lever Pulls ( I mean deadhang to inverted hangs), supinated back lever, and Straddle planche"
Good Work 👏 thanks 👍
More rings stuff like this 😢😢😢😢😢
This is a great video! You say you are a taller/heavier gymnast so I was wondering what your measurements are, to give me some long term expectations for myself. Thanks for the tutorial.
Thank you - I am 5'10" (177cm) and at the time of filming I was roughly 77kg (170lbs)
what you call an azarian bent arm i call literally an hefesto :/ well im only focused on full planch for now. and all of thosevariations. i might try to move to the rings in a couple of years maybe.
Hello sir
How can i contact you for online class please tell me the possibility thank you
I count itttt!!!!
What would you say is a good frequency for a program building an azarian from a 5sec iron cross hold with a false grip?
I would say 2/3 sessions per week on the actual azarian movement itself plus once per week bent arm/accessory work would probably be about right, but obviously depending on your own recovery etc.
After so much time. Will you upload more?
I will never go back to uploading regularly on this channel again unfortunately. I am too busy these days, and I have pretty much covered everything I wanted to when I started. I hope to continue to upload every now and again as and when new ideas come to me, but probably only once or twice a year, if that.
@@learngymnasticsonline5341 to busy to a point where u will NEVER come back?
Could you do an inv. cross tutorial?
Whenever I try to press into it I just end up in maltese or fall into inv. hang 😅
I would love to, but I can't do it either haha. I think the key is to have a rock solid rings handstand hold and a very low japanese handstand on floor, lots of straight arm, overhead pressing strength with dumbbells would help too
what sleaves do you use and why?
They're skins compression sleeves - I feel that they help to warm up the elbows and biceps a little bit so I normally wear them during heavy rings strength
@@learngymnasticsonline5341 nice. I'm hoping to get back to training next year, i might get a pair!
bro why do you bend arms in Azarian, that doesn't count !!
I agree - it is not perfect, I actually admitted this in the video. I realised quite some time ago that a fully locked out azarian was just not feasible for me, because of my genetics and body type - I am quite heavy, with quite long arms, and hypermobile elbows which I have had injury issues with for years. I trained this movement with strict form for many months and just never got anywhere near unfortunately. I am proud of this achievement even though it is not perfect, and although a calisthenics purist might say this 'doesn't count' - I believe that it would be credited in a gymnastics competition, albeit with many deductions, and that is good enough for me.
@@learngymnasticsonline5341bro what's your weight if you don't mind?
Sorry, but an Azarian or Olympic cross is a twist to looking down the arm with torso turned, not front.
The skill you are referring to was indeed done by Albert Azarian, but in modern artistic gymnastics, that element is not allowed. The skill in my video is also named Azarian
No Azarian Cross depicted. All iron cross.
In modern gymnastics the Azarian refers to a backward roll to cross, rather than the cross turning from side to side, as that skill is not allowed in competition.