1x TIGER VS 50x T-34 - IS THE STORY POSSIBLE IN WAR THUNDER?
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Another thing about that fight, Staudegger didn't face all 50 T-34s at once. Groups of 2-3 attacked in waves. He stated everytime he knocked out one T-34, another would come over the hill to take it's place.
And to add to that all the t34s armored in world war II was he treated to double the temperature that it should have been most temperatures for the steel for tank armor was he too was around 300° f the t34s were heated to around 600 degrees Fahrenheit which made them very hard but extremely brittle tilapia made jokes nowadays that you could just slap a t34 doing world war II and it would just start falling apart at the joint welds cuz he got a member they were just giving welders to the to the people that were making them and tell them to start welding so joints weren't welded properly and also if you hit hard enough with the hammer you could start cracking the armor that's why I supposed to did so much damage cuz it was just smack and it supposed to go off causing the armor to crack and shatter so yeah he didn't just need to really get a good hit all we need to do is have something hit the t34 hard enough and it would have disabled it because then there'd be a huge hole in the armor that would make the tank useless because now there's basically just a bleach in your protection
You should also take into account the terrain
It's also important to remember that Russian ammunition was world-renowned for being absolute crap.
That true I remember it in history class
@@havoc5319 the ammunition for the t34 should be good, relative to the Sherman, it was the quality of the powder they were using that was causing it to be terrible
its important to note that humans generally don't like dying, so they try their best not to die
unlike games, where the only consequence is just losing a bit of time, players will often rush at their target because it's not a big deal
Are you kidding me? Have you seen mass wave tactics?
There were some mass wave tactics in Stalingrad
@@Thug367there were similar tactics used by the lobotomite americans at d day :)
@@MaticTheProtoIt's an amphibious landing. You're being either naturally or intentionally being stupid. There's literally only one option, get off the beach before you're killed.
Maybe but when war start there are always a bunch of nuts
If I'm not mistaken the Tiger tank i n question was hit 252 times (according to someone who counted the number of impacts in the hull and turret).
But, the Tiger was not undamaged, the suspension took a bad hit, the hatch on the commander cupola fell in, the recoil dampers of the gun was taken out (oil leak) and the engine was in bad condition.
Yet the beast ran to home base (I think about 2 km) under it's own power all crew members where unharmed.
Wow
Thats.. That's a lot
Most of the hits where from anti tank rifles that could never penetrate a tiger
Those were two different Tiger tanks. Obershütze Staudegger (that fought 50 T-34s alone) was in Tiger Tank No. 1325. The Tiger tank that took 252 hits and still drove 60km back to base was Tiger Tank No. 231, commanded by Leutnant Zabel.
@@FishingWithSails See, that's why I wrote that I was not sure.
Thanks for your reply 😀
Some of these Tiger players didn't seem too good honestly..
exactly, the misses the first tiger made were painful to watch as a 10 year warthunder player.
Agreed
agree tiger requried a skillful player
Do T-35 versus Independent, to make the most epic landship battle to end all landship battles.
This i support, it shall be added to first comment
I shall also support this man, get him to the top!
YES
Oh no witch side do i choose
Or you could use that German landship
In no way is this representative of what a ww2 tank battle would've been like
Honestly the only way a simulation like this could be accurate, is in VR, with each tank crew member being a player. However, good luck on making a VR tank-simulator with accurate physics with 405-player multiplayer (4 tank crewman in each t34 + 5 in tiger).
@@johnderat2652Also you kill the people who get knocked out in real life with a explosive charge in the VR device.
Germans could have easily wiped out all T34 if they knew how to play
Terrible Tiger players…
I feel like with better players the Tigers would’ve won
i dont see it,i mean if the t34 player was more skilled,one t34 1941 could kill a tiger alone (if it spotted the tiger earlier that is)
German optics or gun sights had also 2 advantages , first you could set a range wich other's don't had . And second there were 4 or 5 small triangles with different size and if you know how big the enemy tank is and he fits in one of this triangles , you had the range . That was a clever thing back then . The range finder and to set a range every tank has in WT , but that was not irl .
These tiger players are BOOTY
Irl the T-34 was also prone to breaking down easily and had terrible ergonomics and optics for the crew, making it more difficult to hit targets. None of which is represented in war thunder.
True
In rl tiger 2 broke down more often than t34s
@@minisaiju922 thats because the tiger 2 was a rushed production primarily in response to the soviet's newer heavy tanks,
@@minisaiju922 The tiger 2 wasn't used in this battle though
@@minisaiju922 tiger 2 wasnt used in this battle, whats your point?
The German account is still very plausible. Not able to take into account crew skill. At Kursk you had Soviet tank crews who had spent maybe a few hours in their tank, let alone fighting in it. Quantity has a quality all of it's own.
With a few hours of training you wouldn't be able to even start engine... your comment is nonsense
@@vojtechvilim4844 Tankie copium
@@vojtechvilim4844 But thats a fact in these tanks there was like 2 at most people with actual training rest was put in to them same day they died in them
@user-fd5ey4py6f most of the German tanks destroyed at Kursk were due to mines and antitank guns, not other tanks. And the Soviet to German tank loss ratio was 5-1.
How's Ukraine going?
@vojtechvilim4844 I've started and driven a modern armored vehicle with 5 minutes of training. Doesn't mean I was any good at it, but you're flat out wrong.
Love your videos. Always fun to watch... Some points that are not taken in to account:
1- the Soviets didn't flank, their tactic was rushing with numbers.
2- In war thunder the tanks are much stronger then in real life because they are based on what the tanks where supposed to be instead what they where in real life. In war time you use what you get and not what you want. In reality one hit(any hit) from the tiger round would disable the t -34 because his steel is harder then the tigers but the welds are bad (all the good welders where taken to the navy). This was causing the the tank armor to crack (like a broken plate) and the welds to break.
3- In practice the gun of the t-34 was so badly made that APHE rounds would sometimes detonate inside the barrel while being fired what lead the the Soviet t-34 tanks almost never using them.
4- The reload rate is much slower in real life because the tank is very cramped, on paper the time of the reload is faster because the testing was in a empty tank(only loader inside).
basically the solo tiger didn't win, not because Germany used propaganda but because in War-thunder the soviet tanks are based on propaganda.
From what I read t34 had bad optics. Narrow field of view and it could've been poor quality glass making it foggy or warped when aiming. Also this battle was at night and iirc t34 communicate with flags before they could make enough radios.
Again I could be wrong this just from memory
You be right man. T-34 had poor optics, munitions, armor, few radios, etc. The armor quality varied quite a bit with most T-34s
@@thevortex6754 pretty crazy how they pushed back the nazis. On paper the amount of issues with t34 would make any just think it was crap. But it had to be half decent to do what it did.
@@justinkedgetor5949 they just kinda had to brute force them to the battlefield ya. So so many issues, and on top of that, the crew comfort was poor, it’s not very fun fighting in a tight area knowing that your tranny could fail, optics are off, munitions won’t pen etc. The Germans had it all figured out for the Panzer 4, those were very potent enemies for the T-34s
So, I grabbed this from a Lazerpig video but basically one factory among all the others made a LARGE majority of T-34's during the war. And they did this by cutting as many corners as humanely possible. Forgetting the seat the gunner sits on, seals around the hatches, gunner optics, lights and more. Additionally the T-34 was extremely cramped and the ride into battle battered many of the crews to sheer exhaustion and even the creator of the T-34 got sick and died after driving around in it. Due to lack of radios many times crews didn't know they were being shot at (due to there not being a barrier between the engine compartment and the fighting compartment noise was an issue). I'm sure there's more I'm missing
@@just_a_username8979 of course there was a bulkhead between fighting and engine compartment, soviet engineers weren't idiots. Early years production suffered from lack of intercom, poor quality of glass, only small portion of obr. 1940 and 1941 was equiped with radio, bad ergonomics and cramped turret. Those problems were mostly eradicated by early 1943 as well as new turret.
The worst tiger player I have never seen in game or on video 😂 lack of experience or just first time playing wt or tiger on range map they miss a lot
One very strong point for the Tiger went to doctrines. As the soviets were trained and told to attack while moving, the german tank-crews were trained to only shoot while standing still.
That was not as much tactics as much as it was that German tanks werent designed to fire on the move. Firing on the move was likely to damage the transmission.
I'm pretty sure historically if real they didn't all go at the tiger in 1 wave. Im sure it was in like 2-4 waves, that'd be more realistically what happened back then. After one was killed, another would take its place
Not to be that guy but the the first guy in the tiger didn’t seem that good. Same with the second round of tigers. They were missing some pretty easy shots.
3-4 misses with a no pen hit. It was embarrassing to watch.
Elephant in the room I guess. Someone has to say it at some point.
Your comment on metal plates taking hit after hit and holding up is true, the Panther tank could have its hull armor cracked and destroyed by American 75mm HE rounds if enough of them hit the plate, around 5-7
Only if the quality of steel is the lowest.
@@fabio6170 any steel would break after enough hits
But that depends on where they hit and if all of them were in quick succession. Since we're most likely talking about groups of T-34 that were engaged at a time (a small number probably of 3-5 tanks at once), then this is quite plausible. Of course, on a massive plain where numbers can be brought to bear this won't happen.
It seems to me that the "at night" aspect was important to this story. I'm guessing the German crew was experienced at night fighting and the Soviets had basically no clue what they wete doing. It doesn't sound like the Tiger in question was even hit.
It was hit 252 times lol
Yeah. She was hit badly. The tank while not actually destroyed was written off as unrepairable. There are pictures of the hits to the armor and some shells still sticking out of it If I remember right. They had it in a bunker that made most of the hull not visible too. She was cracked practically open.
@@mattd7566nope
Y'all are talking about 2 entirely different tanks. The tank that engaged the 50 T-34s was Obershütze Staudegger in Tiger Tank No. 1325. Tiger Tank No. 231 commanded by Luetnant Zabel was the Tiger that took the 252 hits. Her turret ring was stuck, the recoiling barrel was stuck in the fired position, the cupola was badly damaged, tracks almost fallen off, coaxial and MG port machine guns were destroyed, etc. It's a miracle that Tiger even made it 60km back to base in that condition.
And when Staudegger and his Tiger drove up to those T-34s at night, he didn't know they were T-34s. He hopped out of his Tiger and casually walked up to the T-34s thinking they were German tanks until the turret hatches opened revealing the "Mickey Mouse" nicknamed turret hatches of the T-34 and Russian soldiers smoking a cigarette. Staudegger just acted quickly and threw a grenade in the hatch.
@@FishingWithSails thank you :D
“Good player” missing all of his shots 😬
I play the tiger as a mid-long range sniper so I probably could of killed 17-20 t-34s during that first fight
I’m with you man, I was absolutely astonished at how often they missed, I’d like to believe I could get bare minimum 10 kills alone.
Well don't forget, the T-34's had no radios, the armour quality of cheese and the optics of a drinking straw xD Michael Wittman first got his fame because he took out something like 15 T-34's In a STUG, just because they kept just driving past him xD
Me thinks them German players are not good utilizing good communication and long range shots
SImply gonna guess the tiger is gonna be barreled, tracked and even if nothing else can be penetrated, burnt down.
Considering what you said during the video, I also do believe that if a shell penetrates 50mm of the front plate, that any further hits to that area should have reduced protection, just as if your tank is penetrated that area now has no protection, because a HOLE WAS MADE RIGHT THROUGH IT, though that is not how it works ingame, because I guess it would be too hard to make or something. Guess it also depends on the weapon, obviously a 50cal is probably not gonna bore it's way through 100mm, atleast not quickly, but i'd say if you have 50% of the penetration you would probably start causing permanent damage that would build up quickly.
That is very accurate sum of real life armour and body armor systems and what causes them to fail.
That is a good idea and i am on board with that idea, but if that were to happen most of WT population would leave
Yep, you pretty much got it in one.
Repeated hits will absolutely degrade the armor until it fails. Not only that but they will also cause spelling on the rear face which can in turn wound/kill crew, or damage and jam gun traversal gears, turret gears etc.
Interesting titbit. People always talk about the Tiger 2 like it was this impervious beast. When in reality once the Reds captured one they found hits from 85mm, 100mm and 122mm would all cause spalling and cracks in the plate. In the case of the 122 it was causing fist size spalling and massive cracks.
I don't care how well you are trained. When hits are causing fist size bits if armor to fly around inside the tank you are going to get the hell out of there.
To all who's commenting about historical accuracy, i might add, the soviets might have no smoke rounds for their tanks IRL.
bro, of course t 34 gonna have smoke round, that's why it is in the game
@@31oannamphong66 Yeah and a M36 got HEAT-FS in 1943 , Japanes one .
I'm not sure that the real T-34s use smoke shells, knowing how bad tripulations were equipped... And smoke is a really big advantage here.
It wasn't propaganda, in real life the Tiger crew did not face all 50 t34's at once lol, obviously they would have swarmed the tiger. The account is that it was only a few that charged the tiger...then they got destroyed and sent another wave. The total KIA were 50 t34s at the end.
This is more like a passive conversation but;
I don't know the distance of this Staudinger's engagement but Tigers had most of their engagements at 1km+ which is quite sufficient against t-34s
Also I think it's not impossible when they initially don't know where the tiger is, (or what the enemy vehicle is even...)
I see it even random battles, players don't know or don't report where they got shot from so it ends up someone killing 7 tanks before being detected. It is even with a digital map in front of you
6:40 I really have made fun of the tiger1s armor, in past, which has no vertical angling going on, looks like a box tank. But it is really effective when it's angled correctly, taking hits directly to front 100mm would be really diminish the armor in time but angling really helps because it deflects the shot instead of stopping them which in physics halves the momentum so the damage. I bet it can take really quite a bit of beating.
These tiger players are really bad, especially from the second game, missing 100-200m shots... just embarrassing.
reporting locations doesnt even work half the time because the average warthunder team has a single braincell that they share among eachother.
5:46: The truth is the advantage would have probably been in Staudegger's favour. They would not have all attacked at once and competence levels could have been questionable.
Try the same exercise, from commanders view only as in Sim, AND no directional hit indicator.
The t-34s were also using tactics that were probably heard of at the time
4:51 that would be it. IRL you can't repair a broken gun barrel in the field. During the battle of Kursk Soviet gunners were trained to target gun barrels and there are photos of tiger barrels with shell holes in them.
Russian tanks in War Thunder seem to bounce shots way more than any other nation. In reality, anything from that era that takes a direct hit, within 100m, from a Tiger will likely be disabled immediately.
The Tigers are working as individuals instead of team tactics
I'm not surprised. T-34s are faster and more agile than tiger tanks. And tiger players generally rely on their armor too much
This video proves that not only technology matters but also the number of tanks
OK, I have to say. I'm not very familiar with the actual story of the single Tiger I going against 50 T-34s and winning. But it's totally plausible and likely did happen as the story said. Him running out of ammo doesn't automatically mean he had a full compliment of ammo when he went into battle, he could have already used some of his ammo on other targets that day or week and hadn't resupplied yet, hence the only small number of kills. Also there's nothing saying the T34s all charged on open terrain at once, it was most likely varied terrain and elevations, as well as the Russians attacking in groups. Making it easier to be picked off. Additionally, if the soviet tanks had their tracks taken off or hit hard enough to Crack their brittle steel armor, the crews might have bailed before any real fight started at closer range.
Русский танк ис 2 и Ису 152 того времени легко расправлялись с тиграми и пантерами, немцы называли су152 открывашкой
@@Arthur-yh6zn ok? What does that have to do with anything?
These tiger players are just embarrassing
Franz Staudegger would be proud of you ❤
It was rare for any tank to go into battle while carrying maximum ammo capacity. Also, one factor the game cant acomodate is that the russians had poor metallurgy thus inconsistent armor
the smoke shells were smart
The thing is that the T-34 had no real communication in the war. But it is possible that due to bad logistics the tiger hadnt had the ammo he needed
You should ask TwiisterFG to play the Tiger E and you would be sure that the Tiger would win even in 1 against 50.
To be fair, that guy had to deal with all of them at once. Not to mention everybody was spamming artillery at the dude
Real battles are slow, the whole operation took months and even as the German offensive clashed with the great soviet counter offensive, as fighting was the hardest, days passed. For example Tiger 231 was disabled from enemy fire, it was stuck for 6 whole hours being hit 252 times during that time. Most of the shots came from smaller caliber guns like anti tank rifles. Non then less the tank had to be scraped after the battle because it was damaged beyond the point of repair. Getting huge amounts of kills over such a long period of time is possible depending how one defines kills, often mobility kills do count as kills. Crews would sometimes abandon their tank when they were disabled or saw no chance fighting. Why would you stand still and catch a shell if you could run away? All of these things are kills that get credited towards for example the tiger. Visibility in realife is even worse then in warthunder, I know hard to believe right? But render distance do not exist in real life and objects blend much better into the environment. In WW2 during an ambush the ambushing tank in most cases got a few shots off before the opponent could realize where the shots came from. Then you also had to identify the tank and how much of a threat it is. The internet didn't exist back then, all information tankists had was told to them during briefings, by officers or simply hoaxes from their mates. In soviet anti tank manuells locations of certain modules were wrongfully labeled. Many American troops misidentified Panzer IVs as Tigers and so on... When you saw a tank you didn't aim at weakspots because often you didn't even know if you were able to penetrade the enemy or not or where the weakspots are at all. Once you realized, it was already too late
And now do it in simulators, let tigers defent objective and they would kill much more, maybe all t-34s
A quick lesson from the stories I've been told: The battle (Battle of Kursk) from the German side involved German infantry encountering the tanks first within trenches outside of Kursk (they used grenades to stop a few), the t-34s passed the trenches towards there goal. The city of Kursk. Now Kursk at the time had a railroad track which had a bit of slope which blocked the line of sight into the city. The t-34 has very poor optics - a cheap periscope slit, the commander was also the gunner and spotter, and only a commanding tank had a radio due to the cost of radios at the time. Meaning there was no way to signal what someone was encountering without waving a flag or jumping out of your tank and talking to another tank. As the first wave of tanks (about 5) go over the railroad they get taken out by the Tiger which spots them. Their was no way for them to communicate about this surprise either to there other fellow tanks with out fleeing and running to the upcoming tanks if they survived. The point was that the first waves had no clue what was attacking them. More waves followed, until the Russian tank commander of the t-34s with the radio was killed. Russian tanks at this point had engaged the Tiger but were pushed back. This German tank on the other side of the hill had a town for cover, a veteran tank crew, and some infantry. Over time, the German tank uses buildings in the town to engage the upcoming tanks in more of a favorable fighting position for themselves. Eventually, the Russians retreat and the tank peruses them. Destroying them and capturing those who surrender. The counter story by the Russians is that they faced a large infantry detachment, an airborne jet, and yes a tiger. The Russians had no anti air defense, no escorting infantry, and they stated that this jet had been able to destroy their advancement since they traveled in a lined up column. Given the year of 1943, this was a possibility with German's advancing jet fighters and bombers. Followed by a heavy infantry defense and the tiger. They were forced to retreat. Then they were pursued by the fighter jet, tiger, and infantry. Which some of them surrendered to. The Russian story believes this German propaganda was made up and used to give credit to their tanks. Rather then credit the whole story of that day.
For starters this is a terrible test main reason is that this is a Russian game made by Russians and the t34 is the epitome of OP and its armor constantly over preforms in game, I've bounced off a t34 in a Ferdinand at 100m bc the shell hit the infamous drivers hatch which in war thunder is made out of Stalinium. I don't blame you for this cool idea of a test but war thunder ain't the game for it, it claims realism but for some reason Russians can't help themselves and always make russian equipment way better in their games then it is IRL.
Not to be rude to the Tiger players, but they were terrible at calculating the ranges without the use of the range finder and also seemed to lack the knowledge of where to shoot the t34s to pen them. (Seemed to me like they thought you can shoot it anywhere and pen.)
I think with the 1 Tiger a good player, in control, could have knocked out at least 10 t34s, and with the 4 tigers, if controlled by good players, they could have knocked out all 50.
Overall a fun video to watch. I just think skill goes a long way in this sort of thing, so to get a proper test you would need to be using a skilled Tiger player. Of course we can never get an accurate test on this sort of thing from War Thunder, but it’s still fun to try it out!
The Tiger players in Rounds 1 and 2 trusted their armor a little too much. Staudegger apparently moved and repositioned after every shot. The Tigers here just sat there taking hits. The T34 also attacked in waves, not all 50 at once.
2:26 the thing is that sometimes the whole crew gets knocked out but the tank keeps moving so they had to double tap them to make sure they were dead
God what a good tactic the T-34 handled, that is the true lesson of the video
This video is wonderful.
Tigers had a 50/50 ap/he loadout
A forgotten detaik was the t34s worked in small scattered packs and came in waves. Also german tanks had great visibility and t34s were damn near blind with hatches closed
Loved participating, I was hyped to get 4 kills as a t-34
“His stats look like he’s a good Tiger player”
-*Reduce your expectations to 0*
In my opinion they used the range finder too much, I only use it with high diameter shells because they take too much time to reload
Whenever muffin says a player is good. They arent.
These tiger players are to put it nicely “suboptimal”
Ooooh
Also first
MeraFirewing says something I support and should have thought of first. T-35 vs Independent
the main difference between WT simulations and historical battles is probably disable barrel thing
True, in real life it‘s not that easy, lol.
the aiming too, it's very difficult to aim with a tank sight
To be fair
The 50 t-34 vs tiger. Is a wave type and not a single rush just like In the video, So in reality Tiger has a few minutes to adjust and reposition.
This battle was a forgone conclusion...in warthunder at least.
It took a while for them to notice that he was at the battle resulting in him being able to shorten their number before they even started firing at him
The chad T-34s superior stalinium armor casualy bouncing the virgin 88mm of the tiger
I feel the narroting the story have a mistake since not all 50 of the T34s rushed in from everywhere at once. They were in groups of 2-4 coming. Not all 50 went in.
ty , someone is think what they did back in 1940
Most likely the kill claims where inflated, both allied and axis tank commanders gave vast over estimations of their kills, but against T-34s early in the war due to crew traininf a Tiger could have desteryed 15+, but later in the war with a decrease in training it would have bean impossible. People often overstate both the Tiger's strengths and weaknesses, in reality it was an ok heavy tank but not as great or terrible as many portray it.
Been*
There were some big inaccuracies in the whole experiment as well: The time, realism, psychology... Not to mention game mishaps like ghost shells
Sloped armor is overpowered and unrealistic in war thunder. It would actually be fairly unrealistic for these shells to bounce off of the front plates of a t34, it's definitely overmatched.
The t-34s should not have access to Artillery, because most russian tanks did not have a radio, only the command tank, and try the game play on realistic settings
10:35 my awesome kill at 2km, MBTs hold my beer cuz grandpa tiger 2 will snipe you from over the horizon
Actually to make more accurate, the t34's should be in sniper view the entire time since the visibility out side all models of the t34 were awful.
I asked dark productions to do this but I guess you did it first!
It would be more realistic if the Tigers could hit something...my god. If I was the commander of the Tiger, I would have shot the gunner myself. LOL
IMO, the earlier T-34-s did not have radio communication, and neither optics to even aim their cannons. And of course the Tigers would not have parked in the middle of the field, but inside brushes etc.
the thing is tiger players were too stupid to do that
just a thingIMO is in my opinion
you should say IIRC as it is use for fact
@@31oannamphong66 I should've used IIRC, that would've been more correct, yes.
Real life and a video game cannot be compared bruh
Ngl the tiger players were absolute trash
I think there are plenty of factors to consider.
How was the visability?
How many T-34s attacked at once?
Did the T-34s have radios?
How many AP, APCR, and HE shells had the tiger loaded?
In real live, the tiger, if properly maintained, was a very combat effective vehicle. Good crew ergonomics, visibility and optics made the tank remarkable for it's time.
The T-34s had very big issues with their optics and transmission. This made the T-34s blind, slow and clunky.
Furthermore, the absolute crap armor quality of the T-34 meant it was actually very much vurnerable to HE shells, as the armor could crack.
Oh and IRL, having a track shot off often also meant abandoning the tank, scuttling it if it was at risk of falling into enemy hands.
Bad tiger players its painfoul to watch
In real life, T-34 armor was nonexistent, due to the quality of metal, it frequently broke down, was uncomfortable, and was hard to shift. Sooo keep that in mind, as all of those things are not in WarThunder. Also, smoke shells should not be allowed. 😂 It totally negates the only advantage of the Tiger, which is its long range ability, and the whole premise of the video is to test the plausibility of 1 Tiger facing 50 T-34s from RANGE.
People who say the T-34 was the best tank of the war often forget this. The T-34 was great on paper but the armor was not made in good quality, crews were poorly trained until late 1944 and rounds where often stored improperly. The T-34s that were good were the ones produced after 1945.
@@mattseller148 same is true for the German tanks in theory they were great but in practice they often got stuck or were completely lost because of manufacturing errors (panthers randomly having their engine catching fire)
@@lucagerulat307 Yes, really the onlt tanks that did not suffer from this were the US ones as they had no need to try to turn out as many as they could so quickly.
A tiger’s main 88mm gun could penetrate 100mm of armour at up to 1000m and a T-34, accounting for the sloped armour, had 90mm of armour meaning those tiger shells shouldn’t be bouncing of the soviet tanks, especially the 1941 models.
It's extremely doubtfull the guy had full ammo given the german logistics of WW2. Given how many had barely enough fuel
One of these days, I'm going to have to join in.
When the whermacht story is real.
Allied weebs: NO! German tanks always break down!
Historically, t-34s had TERRIBLE optics which would really hurt the t-34’s effectiveness.
According to the Soviets, there were some Stukas that would really help the tiger, but according to the Germans there was only the tiger which might be propaganda
The T34s that was during the battle was the T34 STZ meant for urban combat
Another story you could try in WT is the lone tiger 1 that supposedly knocked out an entire british tank collumn.
Obe problem with this is that the whole column would be essentially unmanned as the column that was destroyed was resting when it was happened upon by four tigers. Only a select few tanks were operational for this fight so it probably would be uninteresting if done in either sense.
@@professormanhattan7254 I think he's talking about the Battle of Villers-Bocage in France where Michael Wittmann and another Tiger Tank massacred the British 22nd Armored Brigade. The 22nd Armored Brigade was armed mainly with Cromwell V tanks in both the 2pdr and 6pdr variants, as well as armored cars and half tracks. There were a few M5 Stuarts present too. The biggest firepower in their arsenal was 6pdr Anti Tank guns and a handful of Sherman Fireflies, though one of the Fireflies managed to get 3 rounds off at Wittmann's Tiger at 30m but all bounced.
@@professormanhattan7254 Interesting information, although I think we might be thinking about different tiger stories.
@@FishingWithSails I would recommend checking out a video of this encounter by the TH-cam channel Simple History. They do a great job of breaking down the encounter as it happened with the best information on the engagement. I have a couple of books as well detailing some of the fight, but Simple Histories video does a great job of breaking down the destruction of the British 22nd Armored Brigade. I highly recommend. Also I am pretty confident at 30m any allied tank could penetrate a tiger, especially a Sherman firefly.
@@professormanhattan7254 See, you'd think so but the Firefly's 17pdr didn't penetrate Wittmann's Tiger. The Tiger returned fire and missed the Firefly but hit the building next to it causing the building to fall on top of the Firefly, immobilizing it. I learned all about many battles and tactics in College including the Battle of Villers-Bocage. If you like Simple History, you'd also enjoy Mark Felton Productions and Yarnhub. Both also have good documentaries of Wittmann in Villers-Bocage.
this is looks like a lot of fun
As a history nerd I must intervene the tiger from the story told in this video did not fight 50 t34 tanks all at once it fought them in waves as they crossed over a railroad track another side note is that Russia was using a military model of power in numbers and so its tank crews where extremely under qualified alot of the time a other side note at this time in the war Germany's economy was under siege and so the tiger running out of ammo so soon could have been attributed to A Germany not having the resources to fully fill the ammo racks or B the damn tank had been in a previous engagement and hadn't had time to restock on shells (ps you make great videos but i cant take historic missinformation wether intentional or not)
there are few that make the scenario , which russian don’t break formation so early and normal stay in groups . you think how they training on fighting . they won’t allow to break up what happened in this match.
SINCE WHEN CAN THE MASS OF SMALLER TANKS USE ARTILLERY? I've never seen that allowed before but thats how the first 2 tigers died in round 2 and the 3rd was immobilized from fully functional for the same thing, without artillery they wouldnt have gotten that far
I have to say tiger players are playing very poorly or panicking missing so many shots and shooting on bad spots or on tracks
Yup, he did it...
2:30 or just having low ammo after already using some of it.
But in real life the t-34s would not have pushed nearly as fast because of the surrounding environment and t-34s wouldn't be all coming out at once
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I love these videos 😆
WHY DO YOU KEEP SENDING ALL THE TANKS AT ONCE. It is historically accurate if you send troops in waves because if you send all the troops you will over exert yourself, explosives/MGs will be more effective, and when the battle is over all the troops will be crowded into an area with little supplies and no idea what to do next.
Also in every fight you do recreate it would be more accurate to send them in waves because you would have a giant bunch of players who have no fear of death because it's just a few seconds lost instead of real life where you lose 3-5 men and a few $100,000 per tank