Considering that T-34s, Panzer IVs, and M4s served well beyond WWII in other countries during the Cold War, I bet there’s gotta be a few instances of them being hit by ATGMs. There’s also an instance where a T-34 memorial was used as a decoy in Ukraine
There was an SU-100 in Syria that got taken out by a TOW missile. Or further back in the Yom Kippur War, Isreal was still using Sherman tanks (albeit many were upgraded ones) that faced the infamous AT-3 Sagger missile (Soviet Designation: 9M14 “Malyutka”)
It seems to me that the fault of modern tanks is that they underestimated the danger of old tanks at the beginning of the round. They realized their situation too late, when they could do nothing, and were surrounded. The last T-90 played well, fighting to the last, but he was left alone, and there were too many opponents.
I was in T-80BVM, but yeah even if I had one shot every single one of them I didn't had enough missiles, if my teamates did a little bit more kills I may could winning that round.
this really does highlight how good the WWII puma is if used correctly i use it all the time and im almost at Tier 4 not to mention the artillery/spotting ability with a full crew
WWII tanks and ATGMs have some equal level of visions... during the day that is. When night falls, ATGMs become nocturnal beasts and their maximum potential is formed like how Escanor is at full power when it is noon and depowered during nighttime.
The answer to your question is surprisingly yes! There's a video of a t-34 being used as a gun emplacement in Yemen getting struck by an ATGM, I found a copy here on TH-cam; th-cam.com/video/17zNO-PduVw/w-d-xo.html (Also great video!)
The reason the aim looks so shaky when you have replays is because it's footage recorded from the server, and the server doesn't compensate for the lag that people have when demos are recorded
The war that most likely that ATGMs would have gone against WW2 era tanks is the Yom Kippur War in 1972. Also I guess the civil war in Yemen there was a case of an ATGM destroyed a T-34-85.
@Thunder Muffin, the only battle that comes to mind that closest resembles atgms vs. ww2 tanks would be yom kipper war. When Egypt used 1st gen atgms against Israel, who had m51 shermans, m48 pattons, and centurions. Although i dont know if any M51s were actually engaged by atgms.
There are still T34s being used, in combat by Houthi rebels in Yemen, even videos on youtube. Also, M36s were still in use in countries until recently. Chaffees are still in use by a few countries, some M8 and M5s are still used in upgraded variants.
two weeks ago when I was playing China 8.7 I came across a full downtier, moments after I entered the position in my AFT I saw a maus rolling down the road, and fluently slammed a 1200mm pen tandem-HEAT ATGM on his UFP and promptly sending him back to the hanger
I think maybe in some of the early Arab Israeli wars, many Israeli upgraded Shermans/Pattons were hit by early atgms when advancing in areas where they weren't aware of the dangers posed by man portable atgms. I think this was in the early 60s but I can't remember
Hi Muffin. I participated in this challenge rounds 2 going on, and I have to admit I kinda cheated because I was told the M41A1 Walker Bulldog was allowed, and it has NVD, so I could see during the night battles :/
A hint to deal with missiles,bind a convenient key to the option to switch gunner ain to your Top mounted machinegun in order to shoot missiles down much more reliably
13:13 Not really. ATGMs typically need large projectile diameters to be effective these days. Gun fired ATGMs are simply not large enough to penetrate the frontal armor of a modern MBT. Gun fired missiles top out a 900mm of penetration and modern MBTs typically have over 1000mm of RHAe for HEAT on their frontal armor. I think gun fired missiles are most useful as a way of dealing with armored targets out of range if the main gun, especially to deal with IFVs or ATGM carriers that can outrange conventional rounds fired from the main gun.
I recall during the conflict in Syria a few ago pictures of a few WW2 era tanks in use popped up, notably pictures of a destroyed Soviet tank destroyer taken out by a missle. There were debates on K board on 4chan of what kind of tank it was and how many were in use. Apparently after WW2 Syria ended up with outdated from Soviet and German origins, some of which may have just sat in warehouses after being retired only to be reactivated in the civil war, other examples include pictures of German Stg-44s rifles in use and I think there was also a single late generation Panzer IV that showed up in some images dug in as a fixed defense.
You did good and yes, I just picked the player that did the best that round because with night vision on the atgm side it’s not very pleasant to watch imo and just wanted to do a quick highlight of what happened:)
I don't think the ATGM's will win, could very well be wrong but like.. the ATGM's take quite long to arrive, and can be quite squishy. In the meanwhile normal WW2 tanks can still just engage at long range for a lot of the ATGM carriers. And for the more tanky ones all they need to do is come up to a closer range by flanking. Not to mention the ATGM's very long reload.. I don't like their odds.
Israel did have MIM-23 HAWK surface-to-air missiles in the six day war so maybe they had ATGMs too idk? The Arab countries did use WW2 tanks in the war too
You should stick with only ATGM carriers, it is not even fair that a T90 or a T80 is in the field. Make it so that the WW2 tanks can kill the ATGM carrier no matter what range.
I'm imagening that i have heard that panzer 4s where used in the 6 days war between israel and aegypt, etc. That would work from the timeline but i haven't seen any records of it happening.
muffin could you do a challenge (kv-85 versus 1 maus 5, 10, 15 kv-85 1, 2, 3, maus so every 5 kv-85 there is one more maus added I hope you can consider this (I know that you did 1945 ussr versus maus I’m kinda just switching it up a bit) or maybe 60 l3/33 ccs versus 5 kv-85s?
Also the panther 2 does have night vision and I really thing gaijin should add night vision to the normal panther a or g, also Israel had used Sherman’s all the way into to 70s so there is the possibility some may have been hit by an atgm
@@oelholm yes they did the panther a & g models were equipped in limited numbers with night vision systems, and before u say that’s not true there are images proving it and a museum has a panther with all the mounts for the system on the tank still its just missing the infrared light and nvd scope
Considering that T-34s, Panzer IVs, and M4s served well beyond WWII in other countries during the Cold War, I bet there’s gotta be a few instances of them being hit by ATGMs. There’s also an instance where a T-34 memorial was used as a decoy in Ukraine
Yeah I would think so too!
I heard that the T-34 is still in service with some African countries. I don't know if this is true or not.
Yeah, it seems plausible a T-34 could have been hit by an ATGM in the Yugoslav wars.
@@alexshepherd1741 the democratic republic of congo uses them - they work fine when all you're doing is depressing rebel groups and protesters
There was an SU-100 in Syria that got taken out by a TOW missile. Or further back in the Yom Kippur War, Isreal was still using Sherman tanks (albeit many were upgraded ones) that faced the infamous AT-3 Sagger missile (Soviet Designation: 9M14 “Malyutka”)
It seems to me that the fault of modern tanks is that they underestimated the danger of old tanks at the beginning of the round. They realized their situation too late, when they could do nothing, and were surrounded. The last T-90 played well, fighting to the last, but he was left alone, and there were too many opponents.
Sometimes numbers are better than technology
I was in T-80BVM, but yeah even if I had one shot every single one of them I didn't had enough missiles, if my teamates did a little bit more kills I may could winning that round.
Can't believe that you are still coming up with interesting scenarios! Well done Mr Muffin!
this really does highlight how good the WWII puma is if used correctly i use it all the time and im almost at Tier 4 not to mention the artillery/spotting ability with a full crew
Yeah, Puma's can punch well above their weight class.
Exactly. Puma and BT are too good to fight only on their own BR.
yeah i got 2 nukes in it one at 9.7 and another at 10.7
Am I the only one who uses anti tank missiles against air craft?
If you are mentally challenged just say that
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No
No
When I get there no
6:14 bro guided the missile from the grave
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Nice work Muffin! I love these new and creative ideas! (Maybe you could do something with the biggest planes vs the smallest planes?)
yes
Thank you!
This unbelievably fun, thanks again muffin❤
WWII tanks and ATGMs have some equal level of visions... during the day that is.
When night falls, ATGMs become nocturnal beasts and their maximum potential is formed like how Escanor is at full power when it is noon and depowered during nighttime.
The answer to your question is surprisingly yes! There's a video of a t-34 being used as a gun emplacement in Yemen getting struck by an ATGM, I found a copy here on TH-cam; th-cam.com/video/17zNO-PduVw/w-d-xo.html (Also great video!)
Thank you!
Suggestion: Best WW2 vehicles vs worst post WW2 vehicles
This could maybe be done with 5 or 10 different vehicles on each side.
16:45 truly sad I didn't pay attention and got that shot on me still I guess it was quite hard to miss anyway xD
The reason the aim looks so shaky when you have replays is because it's footage recorded from the server, and the server doesn't compensate for the lag that people have when demos are recorded
The war that most likely that ATGMs would have gone against WW2 era tanks is the Yom Kippur War in 1972. Also I guess the civil war in Yemen there was a case of an ATGM destroyed a T-34-85.
@Thunder Muffin, the only battle that comes to mind that closest resembles atgms vs. ww2 tanks would be yom kipper war. When Egypt used 1st gen atgms against Israel, who had m51 shermans, m48 pattons, and centurions. Although i dont know if any M51s were actually engaged by atgms.
There are still T34s being used, in combat by Houthi rebels in Yemen, even videos on youtube. Also, M36s were still in use in countries until recently. Chaffees are still in use by a few countries, some M8 and M5s are still used in upgraded variants.
that truly was fun
I’m so close to getting the American squad tank with the missiles lol
Yeah in cyprus 1974 i think,some cypriot t34s where hit by turkish rpgs
two weeks ago when I was playing China 8.7 I came across a full downtier, moments after I entered the position in my AFT I saw a maus rolling down the road, and fluently slammed a 1200mm pen tandem-HEAT ATGM on his UFP and promptly sending him back to the hanger
This is why I love the french ACRA missiles, they're very fast and precise compared to other ATGMs.
Would have loved to bring my Cromwell RP3, just for some sweet sweet karma points.
I think maybe in some of the early Arab Israeli wars, many Israeli upgraded Shermans/Pattons were hit by early atgms when advancing in areas where they weren't aware of the dangers posed by man portable atgms. I think this was in the early 60s but I can't remember
Hi Muffin. I participated in this challenge rounds 2 going on, and I have to admit I kinda cheated because I was told the M41A1 Walker Bulldog was allowed, and it has NVD, so I could see during the night battles :/
18:51 well, if you count T-54 (1947) a WWII vehicle, then I'd say soon there very much might be such an instance...
great video man, you are so creative and you're such a good narrator. even improving as a narrator.
Thank you!
i still remember colonel cookies from the heli vs drones video and tbh he plays it tactical and carefully really good
Maybe the fastest vs the slowest plane? I think this would be PO-2 vs F-104.
Yak 28 is fastest in game apparently
A hint to deal with missiles,bind a convenient key to the option to switch gunner ain to your Top mounted machinegun in order to shoot missiles down much more reliably
Can you do a B17 Formation Vs Me 109‘a and 262’s? Or Royal Navy vs Kriegsmarine?
Do Abrams against prop planes
the Taliban and others used the isu152 so probably
13:13 Not really. ATGMs typically need large projectile diameters to be effective these days. Gun fired ATGMs are simply not large enough to penetrate the frontal armor of a modern MBT. Gun fired missiles top out a 900mm of penetration and modern MBTs typically have over 1000mm of RHAe for HEAT on their frontal armor. I think gun fired missiles are most useful as a way of dealing with armored targets out of range if the main gun, especially to deal with IFVs or ATGM carriers that can outrange conventional rounds fired from the main gun.
9:01 the fucking l3/33 surrounded by the tigers II and maus.
I recall during the conflict in Syria a few ago pictures of a few WW2 era tanks in use popped up, notably pictures of a destroyed Soviet tank destroyer taken out by a missle. There were debates on K board on 4chan of what kind of tank it was and how many were in use. Apparently after WW2 Syria ended up with outdated from Soviet and German origins, some of which may have just sat in warehouses after being retired only to be reactivated in the civil war, other examples include pictures of German Stg-44s rifles in use and I think there was also a single late generation Panzer IV that showed up in some images dug in as a fixed defense.
This is just 6.7 the custom game
Shocked no one is using the ADATS and bmp2m in round 1
ADATS at least may not count, since it's an AA system technically?
@@TheSchultinatorit's not like t80 is a missile carrier
Honestly I'm always a bit pissed off about teams not using best stuff, like they all should be t80s or bmp2ms
They all should have stayed together abused smoke
I feel like round 2 was super winnable for the ATGM side, they just didn't use their advantages very well.
Yeah I was sweating during the 2nd round, I couldn't win it by I tried the best as I could : )
btw in round 3 did we only saw my POV ? 😆
You did good and yes, I just picked the player that did the best that round because with night vision on the atgm side it’s not very pleasant to watch imo and just wanted to do a quick highlight of what happened:)
That’s how the *cookie* crumbles.
I think a good challenge would be tanks using only their main cannons, no machine guns, guided missiles, or AA, to take out bombers.
I don't think the ATGM's will win, could very well be wrong but like.. the ATGM's take quite long to arrive, and can be quite squishy.
In the meanwhile normal WW2 tanks can still just engage at long range for a lot of the ATGM carriers. And for the more tanky ones all they need to do is come up to a closer range by flanking. Not to mention the ATGM's very long reload.. I don't like their odds.
Israel did have MIM-23 HAWK surface-to-air missiles in the six day war so maybe they had ATGMs too idk? The Arab countries did use WW2 tanks in the war too
Panthers don’t have much wobble so not too worried about fast aiming on it
Awesome 😎 hope I can join some time
You should stick with only ATGM carriers, it is not even fair that a T90 or a T80 is in the field. Make it so that the WW2 tanks can kill the ATGM carrier no matter what range.
I'm imagening that i have heard that panzer 4s where used in the 6 days war between israel and aegypt, etc. That would work from the timeline but i haven't seen any records of it happening.
Gaijin needs to work on there replay system
Yes they do!
jolly good show
One atgm carrier they have done dirty is the swing fire the swingfire atgm is insane being able to do 90° turns in thr air
muffin could you do a challenge
(kv-85 versus 1 maus
5, 10, 15 kv-85
1, 2, 3, maus
so every 5 kv-85 there is one more maus added
I hope you can consider this
(I know that you did 1945 ussr versus maus I’m kinda just switching it up a bit)
or maybe 60 l3/33 ccs versus 5 kv-85s?
bringing t80 and mbt70 is just criminal
God the second round i spent most the time trying to get a Maus and another tank seperated xD
Im pretty sure that israel actually used a panzer IV 70 till the 1990’s
Or Well they had it written as a reserve and it was retired around that time
High tier players situational awareness in a nutshell...
Also the panther 2 does have night vision and I really thing gaijin should add night vision to the normal panther a or g, also Israel had used Sherman’s all the way into to 70s so there is the possibility some may have been hit by an atgm
but they didnt have night vision irl
@@oelholm yes they did the panther a & g models were equipped in limited numbers with night vision systems, and before u say that’s not true there are images proving it and a museum has a panther with all the mounts for the system on the tank still its just missing the infrared light and nvd scope
I’ve heard that an SU 100 got knocked out by an atgm. I forget where though
Im the m53/59 that got killed at 2:10 and I left instantly lol
Idea for a new video, maybe do American or British VTOL’s, against Russia’s new VTOL. A 5v5 or how ever many to see which country has the better VTOL.
Muffin: war thunders replay system kinda sucks
When does it not? 😅😂
Haha true
There can use the engine smoke and lock with thermals throug it so only making the enemy bliend.
lol, if you disregard the atgm vs ww2 part, thats basically how the soviet win ww2
Funny thing, the asu 57 has nightvision😂
Oh yes the famous ww2 t95
Sheridan is always be safe of ATGM
What about Helicopters with bombs vs heavy tanks/Maus 🤔
Idk why didn’t the ww2 tank team just spam a bunch of smoke shells lmao
If I had time to do this event I would have tried to use the bmp2m or raketenjagd hot if it was allowed.
If someone used the bmp2m it would have been a massacre
Title WW2 tanks, thumbnail; flak half-track
Could there be SPAA VS SPAA as one?
You do ww2 heavy tanks vs modern light tanks
Day 12 : OTOMATIC vs WII planes
3:10 that was way over 1000 meters not 400
6.7 in nutshell😊
Bro not even lying fr
How's about AA missiles only against WW2 tanks?
Some of the teams in these videos look no better than npcs
If all of them were 15cm tanks or kv-2s or strum tigers they'll rekt the atgms
What happened to anti tank missiles only?
Lol aimer wouldn't it count as a reticle though?
i was the maus cant belive i got stuck inside of a tiger too
Average gameplay in the Tiger II H:
May God bless whoever is reading this comment 🙌
Thank you
you will have to redo this now the atgms have been changed
early ww2 tanks: t34-85?
Does anyone know how the replay in warthunder works for ps4?
a random guy in the reddit comments from 7-10 years ago probberly does
bigy cheese
bigy chese
ATGM (in the thumbnail) actually stands for air to ground missile...
No it doesnt. It stands for Anti Tank Guided Missile
no it does not
I cried when that L3 died 🫡
i felt so bad after killing him:(
Imagine using ATGMs now they are so useless
tldw, puma scary
you want to see ww2 tanks getting hit by atgms? ukraine war is pretty close to it. tanks from just a few years after ww2 against javelins
The Centurion is consider WW2 ish?
In Iraq that was a Sherman that got hit by an atgm
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Katusha vs bm 31 12
How about the modern tanks fight ww2 tanks with thermals turned off.
Did it in a previous vid of T-34’s and M4 vs modern tanks that couldn’t use their tech
@@ThunderWithMuffin but could you do a video showdown between thr L3 and the M22 Locust?
18:54 well I don't know if they were, but give the war in ukraine one more year and then definetly some t-34 is gonna get destroyed by Javelin
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Bungus?
L3 😭😭😭
i felt bad for killing him:(
@@oelholm you killed him???
China vs japan