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Most peoples complaint was about the RP battery. Sometimes canon don't listen. I'd miss the wheel as well so I'll skip this and maybe there might be an R9 out by the end of the year. But great review as always Gordon.
I don't think there is any "versus" here. I had an R6 II, I really liked it in almost every aspect, BUT: I need something smaller and lighter, otherwise laziness and convenience will eventually win and the camera will just collect dust. The R8 together with the 28/2.8 weighs about as much as the X-T5 without the lens, which is great. If someone takes photos for a living, their considerations and priorities will be completely different. Otherwise, nice video - as always :-)
Hi Gordon, I have an R5 and R10. I rented the R8 because I wanted a full frame for traveling light. It was really very good, great low light and lovely image quality. AF is the best I have experienced, I would like Ibis but discovered I can hand hold stabilised lenses ok down to around 1/25 no problem. Good for me! I am going to buy it
I really hate that the only reason we are upgrading to a new camera is because they don't have the 4k crop. I feel they could fix that with an update and Atleast keep it at 25p.....
@@ElevenAce you mean from the RP? It's a very different sensor and processor, the one in the RP was very limited in what it could do by the hardware, not the firmware.
I think the R8 and RF 16mm is indeed a great combo for vlogging. Light and wide enough to enable enhanced digital stabilisation for a really steady result. And unlike the R6 or R6 II you won't experience IBIS wobles that happen with that lens as Canon only lets you enable or disable all IS at once...
This is great. My RP that I've been using as an EDC has been feeling a little long in the tooth, this looks like a great update, and I can keep the same batteries and grip extender, and nearly identical ergos except for the power/lock toggle on the top.
Based on pre-release rumors, i wasn't expecting to have any interest in this R8, as I already have the original R6. But the much smaller body and weight, along with IS in the RF lenses I have and would use with it, make it a really intriguing option to switch to, for travel, general use, and with the focus composite, even macro work. When I need speed, I also need the reach of a crop sensor camera for birding, thus that's not so much of a downside for me. So, hmmm, call me intrigued.
I was thinking the same thing - a handy backup camera. The one feature that actually draws me a bit is the pre-record 30fps RAW burst mode. That's a big deal with birds/wildlife. Often times you try to catch them taking off, but by the time you press the shutter, you're too late. This would give 15 shots and a half-second before you pressed the shutter. That can make a world of difference.
2:49 the RP does not have a pop up flash. The camera really is overpriced for what it is: the price of the original RP at launch would have been fine "if" the EF adapter was included, but at 1600$/£/€ I'd rather get an S5II, a Z5 or a 7c, even paying a bit more: I'd get the money back while buying lenses later. Not that the R6II sensor could be seen as a great one too, compared to the others, so the price hike is not justifiable. At least the RP colours are more attractive, and no Ibis defies most of the advantages in video and low light anyway
@@cameralabs But why? Canon has the LP-E6 well established. And my guess is - there will be not full featured BG for the R8 either. They should have re-used the R body and BG-E22.
If a battery grip comes out for this then I might be sold on it. The battery flap does look like it's removable for that purpose so I'm sure we might see one in the coming months.
Enjoy all your videos. Keep up the good work. At my age of 82 and trying to get back in to a bit of serious for me photography I am developing more of an interest in jpg’s. You mentioned your book the other day and I bought it. I am looking forward to diving into both your book and some jpeg outputs. Ahhhh….I did have to breakout my “Coke bottle “ glasses though. Your headings are easy to read but lighter,smaller and thinner print in the body of your stories not so much. Well all the good info is still there and all that you say has great interest to me. I enjoy it when you and Duane get together as well. Thanks for all you do. Joe
Thanks for buying my book! I didn't design the layout inside though, and I agree some of the text is a bit small! I hope you can still read it ok though and find some useful or interesting information - I'm a 99% JPEG shooter.
I was really excited about the R8 as a replacement to my Eos R as a faster, second full frame body for wildlife. I could have lived with the reduction in mega pixels, the lack of ibis and the single card slot, but the LP-e17 battery is a deal breaker for me. It’s really too bad. A nice upgrade to the RP for shooters who are happy with that camera and looking to experience Canons new autofocus system and updated video options. But sadly, I think this one is going to be a pass for me. That aside, great review as always.
Trust me it was not easy plopping down $2,500 plus for r62, but at least I know that I have all the bases covered for the next few years. I consider any camera without ibis unless it's very cheap to be a non-starter.
@@tokyorose1123 I would have went for R5 if I had the budget. That said, it's almost a sure bet that the R5 Mark II will come out sometime this year. Patience is a virtue it might end up replacing your current one and put that one on backup duty
Yeah, the smaller battery is a shame, but they had to reduce the price, weight and differentiate from the R6 II. If you have a USB PD source though, you can keep it running, or carry a spare.
Thanks Gordon. Nice review. Looking at this as an RP owner, it’s definitely an upgrade to the RP, not the R, even though Canon’s naming convention would suggest that it takes the place of the EOS R in the lineup. It’s a nice upgraded RP body. Same layout, batteries, looks like the same grip extender. I put a third party battery grip on my RP and I’ll be looking for someone to make one for the R8 since I’m sure Canon won’t. I’m excited to get an R8. It’s a great step forward from the RP at a good price point. But what will the R9 be? This is great, just not what I expected the R8 would be.
@@NoRegret08 Thanks, but the sensor? Isn't better? And the autofocus system much improved? It's easier to take with you that's a fact. But the sensor and autofocus I really don't know just asking.
@@hitfabryk Dynamic range is a little better on the R8. A little less noise on the R8. I have R7 as well and autofocus is better than the on the R. However , birds in flight - autofocus sucks on the R7. I returned the R10 for it's small battery and got the R7 and the battery life on the R8 is even worse than on R10. I read an article that the colors on the R magical. Viewfinder on the R also has higher resolution than on R8. If you also do the video, then get the R8 over the R. Just get a few batteries (extra cost) and you can only use these batteries on very few low end Canon cameras
I'm still using my 10 year old T5i Rebel (700D), it's in excellent condition and has served me well, but I might need to upgrade. I'm eyeing the R8 as my replacement.
The Canon R8 is a replacement of 2009 canon RP. The price of canon RP will certainly drop lower than 900€ and it will be a bargain. The Canon R8 has a single card slot a maximum 1/4000th mecabincal shutter and only 1st curtain mechanical shutter. These are similar to the Sony a7C but the entry 2020 full frame Nikon Z5 at a similar or even lower price offers 1/8000th mechanical shutter double card slots, IBIS and much more. At the end of the day what counts is the quality of photos and Canon R8 is probably really good at that. With an entry price at around 1500€ The Canon R8 isn't cheap and with a lack of IBIS which is very important since the stabilization inside the lenses isn't common as before. Last the firmware of Canon mirrorless cameras doesn't allows the use of third party autofocus lenses contrary to Sony and Nikon mirrorless cameras. That is very very important since autofocus lenses by Sigma and Tamron are usually cheaper and with better optical performance.
Put the adapter on it and ALL your EF Sigma and Tamron IS lenses will work just fine. Mount the control-ring-adaptor and look at it like an EF lens platform. All my EF quality llenses petform simply better on the R8 given its AF and full frame sensor.
For £1700 in UK with small battery, card on the bottom and expensive RF lenses, no thanks. Great review though as always Gordon! I am saving for Panasonic Lumix S5II X even Panasonic kit lens has better range 20-60mm.
I'm really conflicted between this and the Panasonic Lumix S5 II as my first camera. I was hoping to get gernally into photography, landscapes and street photography mainly, but also wanted the camera to serve video purposes for events or even streaming/video production. The lack of an IBIS seems a bit harsh, but a gimble could easily fix that
I love Canon but the S5 ii is a much better buy if you’re comparing the R8. That’s a lot of camera for your first buy though. I’d go with something you can grow in and really get comfortable with the system. Invest in glass, not bodies. You probably won’t use/need half the features on the S5 ii if you’re just starting out.
The third party lens debacle means I cannot recommend a Canon RF camera as a "budget" option.. or any option, at all, really. As a R6 shooter, I'm also appalled at Canon's obstinate refusal to release a firmware update to remove the 30 minute record limit, and personally have not been buying *any* Canon equipment, with an eye to potentially switching systems if Canon doesn't right this wrong.
As always. The best reviewer of cameras in TH-cam. Been following you for almost a decade now. Thanks gordon As for the camera, so cute, so capable, so affor9
I was thinking to buy the RP before the R8 was released, but after watching I've changed my mind hence the newer parts and the price to performance on the R8 compared to the RP
@@cameralabs for us Canadians it seems like $1000 difference for better video, between the RP and R8. for myself I'm happy with my R7 for critters, and a used RP I got for FF richness, bokeh and wide angle.
I can’t miss the IBIS. I’d choose the Panasonic S5 mark 2 with its lovely L2 colours and live LUT, and I’m dreaming of a 45ish MP version of that one… for the price of a S5 mark 2 X version, that would be a dream! With a nice affordable yet good quality Sigma lens.
And Sigma lenses. Canon really misses out by not having Sigma. While Sony and Panasonic will continue to grow with them. That alone has me happy with the S5ii.
Hi Gordon great review as always! Quick question, would the 30p Fine on the R7 be higher quality than the 30p on the R8? Probably you didn't get a chance to test this, just wondering as you've seen footage from both. Thanks!
@@cameralabs Thanks Gordon, I guess the R8 being a full frame vs the APSC makes the small difference probably. I am contemplating between the two. Perhaps if you get the chance it would be a good test in the future, as they're the same price! ☺️
Canon the lenseless system, who may have guessed? Cheaper bodies but lenses costing three times as much. Canon needs to allow third party lenses to sustain its system. Especially the RF ASP-C line.
This is a review every objective person needs. Great review. No bias, no fanboy thing like the Fro. Giving the pros and cons just to a typical user who will need this camera for their use, or else others telling this is ultimate sports camera for somebody who shoots even professional. I really envy R8 video features as a Z5 owner, how much I wish I could at least have no crop 4k. In video R8 is obviously better than even Z6ii, but consider having a gimbal, and spare batteries. Would I get R8 if I was serious about video, probably yes, but R6 is also great option to consider, even being older. But in stills area, Z5 beats R8 especially after latest firmware and is 500$ less. IBIS , dual card slots, great EVF, battery life, 1/8000 mechanical shutter, ergonomics, 3rd party lenses, and I will argue in AF things, for portraits , events , weddings , street, landscape its AF is enough. For action and wildlife, yes it's slacking. But for majority of stills shooters , Z5 is a better camera than R8.
Thanks, and I'm glad you like my approach to making reviews. I wish there was a bigger demand for this style, as the more sensationalist videos always get more views and greater revenue as a result.
Thanks Gordon, I look out for yo when. Pop along the coast! With the R8s ability to provide a crop of 1.6x this would have the effect of increasing the EF100-400 to max at 640mm I think, but what is the resolution like? It would be a great all-round camera and decent for birds in flight if the crop image resolution is still good, no? I have a 6d, and I’m in the early stages of looking to upgrade - the R6 mk2 would,be my desire, but I have pennies to sane for a year or 2 first - this might swing me towards the R8 if the detail and sharpness were good enough. Thanks for the reviews - I’ve subbed! 🙏😀
If you intend to crop for photo, you will lose a lot of resolution, so it's best to by a crop camera instead. the R7 and 100-400 are a great combo for wildlife. Cropping for video is ok through as there's still enough res for 4k.
Hi Gordon, thanks for your reviews, they're really helpful. I have a Canon 6D and I'm thinking of upgrading. At first, I was considering the 90D but then I saw your review with the definition comparison charts, which led me to two other options: the Canon R8 and the Fujifilm X-S20, which are similarly priced. (Except I'd have to buy new lenses unlike with the Canon 90D.) I understand that the main video difference is between 4K and 6K, and honestly, that doesn't appeal to me that much (although it's nice to have as a future option) since I make videos for social media, institutions, or tutorials, so I'm more interested in good definition and autofocus. What do you think? Thanks a lot for everything.
I have found after shooting lots of video that the CLOG3 is much worse than using HDRPQ. You really notice it in the blacks. CLOG3 is way too noisy. I really don't know why people use it. The cinema gamut is also overkill for such a noisy image. I'd sooner have reduced colour depth and clean shadows. Resolve is very good at producing nice colours from even 8 bit footage anyway.
I'm in an R8/R6 Mk II dilemma. I have a Canon R7, which I liked, but it developed a focus problem, and after three trips to the Canon shop (two of them to fix something the shop broke on the previous trip) I still don't think it's working well. I'm also going on at least a 3-month road trip to New Mexico where getting new camera gear might involve hours of driving. So I'm thinking of getting an R8 or R6 II as a backup. My budget says the R8 is the best choice. My shaky old hands say I need the R6's IBIS. My budget tells my shaky old hands to take a vitamin and exercise. My shaky old hands threaten to quit buying things. There are also little angels on my shoulders telling to to either get another R7 or YOLO it and splurge on an R5. Somewhere near my spleen is a voice telling me to buy a Sony and register it on the Canon site, just to rub it in. I've said it before. Photography is easy; it's the shopping that's hard.
I like the R6 II, but it's quite a price hike over the R8 for IBIS, the dual slots etc. Remember you could always get the R8 with lenses that have OIS?
dpreview noticed significant loss in image quality in the m6 mark ii when using digital IS and even worse losses in image quality in enhanced IS. Does the R8 see any losses in image quality when digital IS or enhanced digital IS is enabled?
Budget and experience (or lack thereof) made me order the R8. If I was a really good photographer, I'd probably want the extra features of the R6 Mark II, but I'm still learning, so the R8 makes sense experience-wise. Budget-wise, the $1000 I saved on the body will go a long way toward getting better lenses. Well, one better lens at least. :)
Thank you Gordon! Canon marketing dept sucks big time - they removed not only the joystick but also the wheel at the back for exp.comp, nerfed battery which was already bad on the R5/6, and... where is the full mech shutter? Another stil-born product from Canon like the R10. IBIS doesn't make a difference with IS lenses, but for vloggers it will suck. No particular target market, no particular idea why is his camera released except to have a cheaper FF camera. Not good for action (6fps), not good for landscape (no mechanical shutter), not good for vlogging (no IBIS), not good for video (crap battery), so what is it good for? Average joe who will use his phone camera instead. Stillborn. Jack of all trades master of none. R and RP users moved to R6. 6D Mark II did the same. Crop sensor DLSR users moved to R7, so who will buy R8? The odd walk-in who walks into a big store to buy 'a camera' having no idea what he is buying but having a budget of $1500 and the salesman pushes him into R8. But may as well push him into Sony or Nikon, Fuji, Panasonic or OM, depending which brand name sounds better to the client. Probably Sony. I think Panasonic and Fuji are celebrating the release of R8 and R10 like never before. OM will join in soon enough.
I didn't know there was an EFM to RF adapter available. Plus the Sigma is only designed for smaller APSC sensors, so you'd be in a crop mode on the R8.
Thank you so much Gordon for the detailed and informative review. As I know R8 doesn't have mechanical shutter system? is that right? thanks and God bless you!
I have an rp that I quite enjoy. Been debating upgrading to perhaps the r5 or r6ii, finances pending. though the r8 may fit my budget better and skill set. I’m also torn between waiting to see if a r5ii comes out in a few months. Me and my wallet are torn.
You'd have to look up the 77D as it's been ages since I used it. You're best comparing the specs on Canon's web pages for both models - the R8 will have better video quality, AF and more features.
Does the sensor stay exposed even when the power is off? One of my favourite things about the original EOS R is that it shuts the sensor when turned off.
Best camera review on TH-cam ever, you're the real deal, I was considering the EOS R7 before your review, you didn't mention about it's live streaming capability, is the battery in the R8 not as good as the R? I was considering that yesterday now I'm leaning towards the R8
I wish more youtubers would stop praising this camera because they do not wish to upset canon. The rolling shutter is a big deal and I do not believe the electronic first curtain mode will eliminate rolling shutter completely 6 FPS is useless for fast action. In the world of fast action or building photography rolling shutter is a big deal. No mechanical shutter is some thing we need and canon has removed it.
I would like to buy this camera but I have a silly question. How much the absence of IBIS impact the photo quality? As I see in this and other reviews that compare the R8 with the R6 MII apparently there are no big differences shooting photos with the two cameras. As the IBIS is considered a lack on this camera which is the issues or differences I can encounter choosing this camera over the R8 (still talking about taking photos) ? I need to solve this doubt 🙂
Well, we all survived without IBIS for decades before it was invented! It's useful for sure, but either pair the R8 with a lens that has IS (optical stabilisation in the lens) or be careful to use shutter speeds that are fast enough to avoid camera shake.
I wanted to buy this R8 but Im really curious with the effect of its first curtain / electronic shutter in strobe photography. No one demonstrate this in youtube. Does it matter if I use F1.4/1.8 + 1/8000 shutterspeed using strobe?
I currently have the EOS RP and was thinking of getting the R8. I am in no way a professional I am an average joe taking photos at Disneyland and so on. Would it be an upgrade in your opinion? And Would you upgrade from the RP? TIA
Excellent review! I've been looking at the Sony a7c for my daughter so she can Vlog her construction business. Now this Canon R8 comes out, so I'm glad I didn't get the Sony...yet. I have shot Canon for 45 years but know absolutely nothing about video, and my daughter knows nothing about cameras. I have the R and all RF L glass. I'm looking for other people's opinions here...Will the R8 be better than the Sony a7c for vlogging? I appreciate any input that you or your readers can offer. Thanks!
Awwesome review as usual! Thank you Gordon. 👍 Currently owning an RP, unfortunately, I'm still stumped on if I should spend the extra for the R6 mk ii haha. Aaah decisions decisions.
Well, the R8 basically takes your RP and puts the R6 II sensor inside, BUT you have the same body features as before. if you wat a body upgrade with IBIS, dual cards, bigger battery, better EVF etc, then you need the R6 II.
Gordon, I hope you or someone has the answer to this question... I found the Limit subject to detect feature to be interesting. The only mention I could find of it in R6 II reviews was that it is for video. Is that true...video only, or does it work the same way for stills? Would be a major feature for any bird (or wildlife) shooter, where the focus goes completely off when the bird goes out of frame.
Good point. Yes, it is ONLY for video on the R6 II and R8. What you're looking for in stills is some kind of focus lock, normally on a button on higher end lenses.
@@cameralabs Thanks Gordon. Too bad. Even the RF 100-500 does not have a focus lock button, although you can assign custom lock to a button on the camera. It would be nice if Canon would find a way to add a focus limiter option top the menu, similar to Olympus (now OM System) where you can dial in a min and max distance. It works great for BIF to drastically reduce the focus racking that is far too common when shooting BIF.
I’ve seen on the r6ii that while filming it has bars to indicate how close to overheating it is, does the r8 have this too? I’d rather know when I need to drop the resolution/frame rate to avoid an unexpected shutdown!
Good question - I'm not sure as it never got to that point even when I had it recording on USB power for the max clip length of 2hrs, although my room may be colder than yours.
@@cameralabs I don’t have the r6ii, just saw that handy feature on a review. It looked as though it was on the screen the whole time, might have to cycle through the info on screen to get it to appear. It was white bars that turn orange as the camera heats up if I remember correctly.
@@cameralabs I googled “canon r8 temperature indicator” and found an extremely detailed website (user manual). When selecting video mode it gives advance warning that overheating will be possible. If temperature does rise significantly a 10 bar system appears, 1-7 are white, then orange then red. Red = auto shutdown imminent.
Canon R8 in full frame, Canon R10 or Canon R50 in APS-C has the full potential to be a number 1 seller in their own category but will never reach that destination due to the stubborn behaviour of Canon. At least four or five lenses could improve the situation - like SIGMA 16mm & 30mm F1.4 in RF-S, Sigma 24-70mm F2.8 IS in RF, Sigma 150-600mm, RFS-22m F2, a better kit lens for R50 (like EF-M 15-45 F3.5-6.3). I am a user of R10 and I like it. I would love it if Canon gave C-log 3 in it and brought an overall zoom like EFS 17-55mm F2.8.
@@cameralabs ok cheers. I ditched canon years ago when they lost the game to Sony due to crap video features for a few years .... Now canon is back I might buy again as still have a bunch of L lenses
@@dpestlin1 Ah you mean out of camera. Well yeah, just look for a comparison between the R5 and R6 II. I would not hesitate at all mixing footage, the color science is extremely consistent.
@@cameralabs I ask because the R7 gets its auto focus system from the R3. While the R8 gets its auto focus system from the R6 Mark2. So was wondering if there is a significant difference in the Subject Detection Auto Focus performance between the R7 & R8. And yes... Thank You Sir for your response!
I upgraded from RP to R6. I really liked the RP because of its size and design. But I feel a bit silly when I now considering to sell my R6(mark 1) to buy the R8:). I don`t care about sport/action but it`s handy to have IBIS when I`m using my RF 50 1.8.
@@vinvanid Is that all? I only ask because I'm looking to buy one or the other and I don't do any video recording and the r6 af is also plenty good enough for me. Thanks
Not sure if this has been asked yet :) What is the dust & moisture protection on the R8? And why are images in video not affected by rolling shutter? Thanks, great video Gordon!
@@cameralabs hi, both video and electronic shutter for stills both operate in the same way via electronic shutter, So just wondering why electronic shutter for still shots is subject to the rolling shutter distortion while the video images appear to not be distorting? Kind of reminds me of smearing images on lcd tvs some years back? Is it the resolution or frame rate that the digic processing can’t quite handle? Or longer shutter speeds? Thanks 🙏 Just curious why the “rolling shutter” effect happens?
@@ScottoGrotto the rolling shutter effect is due to the readout speed of the sensor, line by line, so by the time it gets to the bottom, the subject or composition may have moved. It affects video and electronic stills but due to the way the video is scaled or oversampled from the full sensor, the effect may be less than for stills.
I never understood the obsession with IBIS. It wasn't in cameras not even five years ago, and we took amazing pics just the same. It has never been a problem for me. As for small batteries, no big deal-just grab a bunch! Filming one hour of 4 K 25fps is absolutely great. One SD slot... no big deal; we never needed two! I think R8 is a fricking awesome deal.
Nice one I was solely looking for a cropped camera but after not been happy with the r7 I’ve sold that to mpb and I was now thinking px the r6 in towards a r6mk2 untill canon release a better crop camera pref with a stacked sensor but then after looking into the r8 I’m tempted to keep the r6 and get the r8 and pair that up with a rf 800f11 for birds I had that lens before but wasn’t happy with the small af area on the r6 I’ve still got the rf100-500 and the rf 1.4 x so could use that for now and see how that goes and also the r8 at least has better shutter readout speed than the shockingly slow r7 although no5 perfect still a good improvement also the r8 battery is that the same as the m 50 battery as still have one a those knocking about with a few batteries lol 😂
I'm not certain but it could be the magnification of the optics in front of the viewfinder OLED panel (should be mentioned in the specifications like 0.64x / 0.7x / 0.8x etc)
Here I am saving up for an A7iv and now I'm asking myself if a whole lens worth of price difference is worth it...guess I should at least wait until March to see what Sony announces with A7Cii. Even though I'm coming from an old apsc body, I'm worried about giving up IBIS...
I thought about the original EOS R and the RP. The RP would have cost me more, I already had a stack of LP-E6 batteries of various brands, and I would probably have bought four extras for the RP. Eventually I decided not to, and I use mostly M43 gear, and an S1R with my TS-E lenses. That 90mm macro lens looks good, but it's not the MP-E 65 killer I anticipated. Teleconverters required for the higher magnifications? It's even more expens, unless you have the teleconverters, and more faffing around. AF and focus bracketting though.
I looked at sample photos of the R8 at DP review and they were gorgeous. And then I looked at the samples of the Pana S1 and I was shocked how bad they were.
@@cameralabs 5 days ago I took out lumix LX100 and Canon 350D and shot the same scenes with the two cameras and 350D was the best by far. It was so frustrating for me why I never use the LX100 and now I finally admitted to myself why. It is a cute camera , but........ For video its good.
I guess omitting IBIS and the second card slot (not as big of a deal) in a FF body these days is a bit of a letdown, especially since Nikon was able to include these features and come in at $100 less. I think it's great that Canon has a lot of options, but to be honest, one might be a bit more inclined to get an R7 over the R8 since the R7 does have a bit more of the R5 guts (including IBIS) but is only an APS-C sensor. Something some people may not be as concerned about, and may compromise over versus a larger sensor but no IBIS. I sort of get the feeling of an R/RP do-over with the R8 to be honest. Canon could have at least given this camera IBIS for that price, which I think is the major pitfall here. With this I would say that the gen 1 R6 might still be a better value here, despite being a bit older. As would be the Nikon Z5 as well, despite its heavy 4k crop. It does seem that Nikon has made a camera that seems to be the one to beat in terms of entry level FF, and I think Canon made a good attempt, but fell a little short if we use the Z5 as a benchmark for an entry-level budget camera (of course Sony doesn't really have anything cheaper than $2000 for their current lower-end FF bodies, if you only look at currently avaialble models, like the A7 III, despite being previous gen).
I can deal with the one-card slot, puny battery and lack of ibis. What's the deal breaker for me: the card slot on the BOTTOM. I'm on a tripod a lot and change cards quite a bit. WHAT A PAIN. I ended up picking up a mint condition EOS R and it's perfect for my use. Two positives I appreciate about the R8 is you can use it as a webcam without downloading the canon webcam utility & no time limit for video recording.
Nice upgrade of the RP, which is what I use, in my case I like the battery, since it is light for travel and for video I also use "dummy", what I don't like is the card below and the starting price something high...thank you!
Gordon, honestly, you're one of the most knowledgeable reviewers on YT, so I'm a little surprised that you said ''bigger pixels on R8 makes it better in low light'' when it is well known that it's just an urban legend but actually the whole size of the sensor accounts for light capture not an individual pixel
On a per pixel level, a bigger pixel has the potential for greater light gathering plus higher dynamic range, BUT while higher res sensors with smaller pixels may be noisier per pixel, there's more of them, so the noise artefacts are smaller and often less obtrusive. Lots of factors to weigh up
Given the body is like an RP and the battery is the same as RP, pretty sure the R8 is an RP replacement. Regardless, thanks for the review. Definitely one great camera here!
@@cameralabs Keep up the good work, been a follower of Cameralabs even pre-TH-cam days. I've already contacted Canon as well, preparing to purchase an EOS R8!
@@mbr5742 yeah, there won't be. The world changed a lot, RP was launched at $999. R8 is now $1499 which I believe there's 2 reasons for it. 1. it's the latest gen Entry Level FF 2. EOS RP continues to be on the market. While R8 looks to be the RP replacement based on the physical nature of it, price and specs looks like it's kicking EOS R off the shelves.
Sheesh, this really is very confusing haha! (although your video has been a great help, thank you!) What would you say would be the better camera for an artist photographing their own work, indoors, in good (ish) natural light? The R7 or the full frame R8?
It is confusing! I think I need to make a dedicated comparison. As you know it's about weighing up body features against sensor size, but in good light the quality will be similar.
Another solid review, thank you Gordon. It seems like a very lightweight camera, probably good for use on a small gimbal. That said I remember using the RP when it first came out and the shock when I found myself in London with only one dying battery!
Canon has seriously lost their direction. I'm still a Canon user but I have already, at the same time, moved to the Fujifilm system. I travel light now but I have access to some really awesome lenses. Look at all the "weird" lenses Canon has been producing for their APS-C sensor cameras, dating back to the M-series. The maximum aperture ends at f/6.3 maximum zoom. I have always been against their APS-C sensor cameras since the days of the 60D or 70D. There aren't any more great APS-C lenses since the EF-S 10-22mm and 17-55mm f/2.8. Lo and behold, they have now produced a ridiculous 24-50mm with a really smallish aperture range of f4.5-6.3. Seriously, Canon? Who are you targeting this lens at? The focal length range is limited, and the aperture is (again!!!) restrictive. We are talking about a full-frame R8 here! This is not some APS-C camera. I suppose Canon is trying valiantly to compete with Fujifilm and Olympus by slashing off their lenses' focal lengths and aperture range. But the attempt has failed very badly. Sony has an excellent 20-70mm f/4 lens. What has Canon produced? Just some dumbed down rehash general kit lenses. You're not gonna attract new photographers if you keep doing that, Canon. Many more will cross over to Fujifilm or Sony.
Because its meant to be a small and light travel camera, a light travel lens just provides options, plenty of heavy RF glass or even cheaper primes if you want fast aperture and lightweight
I don’t think Canon specifically aimed the lens for travel. It feels like another of their desperate attempt to compete with the rising popularity of competitors like Fujifilm and Olympus. Then hopefully, those new to photography might think erroneously that wow, Canon also has small lenses. But they don’t realise the disadvantages they have to bear. I don’t see how a lens that starts with a small aperture of f4.5 and a reach of only 50mm could be useful for travel. I wouldn’t want to be caught shooting at only 50mm but my max aperture is already at f6.3! 😅🫣 Precisely this is why many have switched to Fujifilm. For travel, I’m definitely using my Fujifilm, not an R8 with this weird 24-50. Canon really needs to rethink their marketing strategy. Leave the full frame market for serious enthusiasts and pros. They don’t mind carrying bigger and heavier lenses. Stop propagating the f/6.3 design and marketing strategy! At the same time, concentrate a lot more on the smaller sensor cameras and design much better APS-C lenses. The current batch of new lenses that Canon has is dismally limited and just not attractive.
@@kwangc6720 well they seemed desperate to keep the size and weight low and that can only mean they consider that a USP. A lightweight and small FF combined with a lightweight and small prime lens has a perfectly valid usecase. APS-C lenses are probably a separate discussion but the RF lens mount was designed around making FF lenses more compact and simpler. Maybe they want to concentrate on fleshing that out first.
The R8 is unquestionably a very solid upgrade to the RP (40 vs 4 fps, uncropped vs cropped 4K, a much more advanced AF system and ultimately a much better, modern sensor), but I find it to be too expensive in Europe. In Germany it costs €1800, which is nowhere near the RP price.
As a fellow German I have to disagree this time. 1499$ is without taxes, and it would be 1783$ with 19% VAT (Mehrwertsteuer). The exchange rate always varies between $ and €, so 1800€ is actually quite fair.
@@andreasbuder4417 Dear Andreas, I am not comparing our price to the one in the US, as I am aware of the VAT not being included in that price. I am solely referring to the price here. One can argue that, for the feature set, including the new R6 II sensor, this is a fair price. I just think for a camera that Canon seems to be placing as its budget full frame model, €1800 is not insignificant.
@@suburbia2050 I am aware that inflation has to be taken into account and I don‘t think the price is illogical. I am just having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that €1800 is the price of a „budget“ camera.
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Most peoples complaint was about the RP battery. Sometimes canon don't listen. I'd miss the wheel as well so I'll skip this and maybe there might be an R9 out by the end of the year. But great review as always Gordon.
I don't think there is any "versus" here. I had an R6 II, I really liked it in almost every aspect, BUT: I need something smaller and lighter, otherwise laziness and convenience will eventually win and the camera will just collect dust. The R8 together with the 28/2.8 weighs about as much as the X-T5 without the lens, which is great.
If someone takes photos for a living, their considerations and priorities will be completely different.
Otherwise, nice video - as always :-)
Hi Gordon, I have an R5 and R10. I rented the R8 because I wanted a full frame for traveling light. It was really very good, great low light and lovely image quality. AF is the best I have experienced, I would like Ibis but discovered I can hand hold stabilised lenses ok down to around 1/25 no problem. Good for me! I am going to buy it
Amazingly in depth. Big upgrade fro the RP with the no crop 4k. I think think they will sell a lot of these cameras!
Thanks, and yes, I think it will sell well.
I really hate that the only reason we are upgrading to a new camera is because they don't have the 4k crop. I feel they could fix that with an update and Atleast keep it at 25p.....
@@ElevenAce you mean from the RP? It's a very different sensor and processor, the one in the RP was very limited in what it could do by the hardware, not the firmware.
I think the R8 and RF 16mm is indeed a great combo for vlogging. Light and wide enough to enable enhanced digital stabilisation for a really steady result. And unlike the R6 or R6 II you won't experience IBIS wobles that happen with that lens as Canon only lets you enable or disable all IS at once...
Good point, I agree that digital IS can work better for vlogging than IBIS + digital.
This is great. My RP that I've been using as an EDC has been feeling a little long in the tooth, this looks like a great update, and I can keep the same batteries and grip extender, and nearly identical ergos except for the power/lock toggle on the top.
Thanks Gordon for another clear, concise and entertaining review. Always my first port of call for a new camera release.
Thanks!
Based on pre-release rumors, i wasn't expecting to have any interest in this R8, as I already have the original R6. But the much smaller body and weight, along with IS in the RF lenses I have and would use with it, make it a really intriguing option to switch to, for travel, general use, and with the focus composite, even macro work. When I need speed, I also need the reach of a crop sensor camera for birding, thus that's not so much of a downside for me. So, hmmm, call me intrigued.
I was thinking the same thing - a handy backup camera. The one feature that actually draws me a bit is the pre-record 30fps RAW burst mode. That's a big deal with birds/wildlife. Often times you try to catch them taking off, but by the time you press the shutter, you're too late. This would give 15 shots and a half-second before you pressed the shutter. That can make a world of difference.
3:33 i like this shot of the glinting lens mount
so shiny
2:49 the RP does not have a pop up flash.
The camera really is overpriced for what it is: the price of the original RP at launch would have been fine "if" the EF adapter was included, but at 1600$/£/€ I'd rather get an S5II, a Z5 or a 7c, even paying a bit more: I'd get the money back while buying lenses later. Not that the R6II sensor could be seen as a great one too, compared to the others, so the price hike is not justifiable. At least the RP colours are more attractive, and no Ibis defies most of the advantages in video and low light anyway
Good point, the adapter does add to the cost and bring it closer to bodies with more lens choices.
No Canon full frame has a Pop up Flash. Neither DSLR nor DSLM
@@mbr5742 yep, I'm not sure why I said that about the RP, it was a slip of the tongue, sorry!
Was considering upgrading from my R to this but that different smaller battery might be a deal breaker for me!
Same for me...
You could carry a spare or use a USB PD source to top up / power?
You dont carry spares?!
@@cameralabs But why? Canon has the LP-E6 well established. And my guess is - there will be not full featured BG for the R8 either. They should have re-used the R body and BG-E22.
If a battery grip comes out for this then I might be sold on it. The battery flap does look like it's removable for that purpose so I'm sure we might see one in the coming months.
Enjoy all your videos. Keep up the good work. At my age of 82 and trying to get back in to a bit of serious for me photography I am developing more of an interest in jpg’s. You mentioned your book the other day and I bought it. I am looking forward to diving into both your book and some jpeg outputs. Ahhhh….I did have to breakout my “Coke bottle “ glasses though. Your headings are easy to read but lighter,smaller and thinner print in the body of your stories not so much. Well all the good info is still there and all that you say has great interest to me.
I enjoy it when you and Duane get together as well. Thanks for all you do.
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Thanks for buying my book! I didn't design the layout inside though, and I agree some of the text is a bit small! I hope you can still read it ok though and find some useful or interesting information - I'm a 99% JPEG shooter.
Gordon what are you using for denoise. I use dxo which I don't think allows jpegs
I was really excited about the R8 as a replacement to my Eos R as a faster, second full frame body for wildlife. I could have lived with the reduction in mega pixels, the lack of ibis and the single card slot, but the LP-e17 battery is a deal breaker for me. It’s really too bad. A nice upgrade to the RP for shooters who are happy with that camera and looking to experience Canons new autofocus system and updated video options. But sadly, I think this one is going to be a pass for me.
That aside, great review as always.
Trust me it was not easy plopping down $2,500 plus for r62, but at least I know that I have all the bases covered for the next few years. I consider any camera without ibis unless it's very cheap to be a non-starter.
@@simonmaduxx6777 I’ve got an R5 and just wanted a slightly refreshed R. But this just isn’t it. Think the R6 mkii will be the choice down the line.
@@tokyorose1123 I would have went for R5 if I had the budget. That said, it's almost a sure bet that the R5 Mark II will come out sometime this year. Patience is a virtue it might end up replacing your current one and put that one on backup duty
Yeah, the smaller battery is a shame, but they had to reduce the price, weight and differentiate from the R6 II. If you have a USB PD source though, you can keep it running, or carry a spare.
Gordon, can you charge the battery inside the camera using a powerbank?
Kicking myself I pulled the trigger on the R6ii 3 months ago. This was the RP upgrade I’ve been asking for, at $1k less
True, but the R6 II is still an amazing camera and superior in many respects
Thanks Gordon. Nice review. Looking at this as an RP owner, it’s definitely an upgrade to the RP, not the R, even though Canon’s naming convention would suggest that it takes the place of the EOS R in the lineup. It’s a nice upgraded RP body. Same layout, batteries, looks like the same grip extender. I put a third party battery grip on my RP and I’ll be looking for someone to make one for the R8 since I’m sure Canon won’t. I’m excited to get an R8. It’s a great step forward from the RP at a good price point. But what will the R9 be? This is great, just not what I expected the R8 would be.
For $100 less, the R is a much better buy for stills.
@@NoRegret08 Why?
@@hitfabryk Because it has a normal battery with double the number of shots and has 6 more megapixels.
@@NoRegret08 Thanks, but the sensor? Isn't better? And the autofocus system much improved? It's easier to take with you that's a fact. But the sensor and autofocus I really don't know just asking.
@@hitfabryk Dynamic range is a little better on the R8. A little less noise on the R8. I have R7 as well and autofocus is better than the on the R. However , birds in flight - autofocus sucks on the R7. I returned the R10 for it's small battery and got the R7 and the battery life on the R8 is even worse than on R10. I read an article that the colors on the R magical. Viewfinder on the R also has higher resolution than on R8. If you also do the video, then get the R8 over the R. Just get a few batteries (extra cost) and you can only use these batteries on very few low end Canon cameras
I'm still using my 10 year old T5i Rebel (700D), it's in excellent condition and has served me well, but I might need to upgrade. I'm eyeing the R8 as my replacement.
The Canon R8 is a replacement of 2009 canon RP. The price of canon RP will certainly drop lower than 900€ and it will be a bargain.
The Canon R8 has a single card slot a maximum 1/4000th mecabincal shutter and only 1st curtain mechanical shutter. These are similar to the Sony a7C but the entry 2020 full frame Nikon Z5 at a similar or even lower price offers 1/8000th mechanical shutter double card slots, IBIS and much more.
At the end of the day what counts is the quality of photos and Canon R8 is probably really good at that.
With an entry price at around 1500€ The Canon R8 isn't cheap and with a lack of IBIS which is very important since the stabilization inside the lenses isn't common as before.
Last the firmware of Canon mirrorless cameras doesn't allows the use of third party autofocus lenses contrary to Sony and Nikon mirrorless cameras. That is very very important since autofocus lenses by Sigma and Tamron are usually cheaper and with better optical performance.
Put the adapter on it and ALL your EF Sigma and Tamron IS lenses will work just fine. Mount the control-ring-adaptor and look at it like an EF lens platform.
All my EF quality llenses petform simply better on the R8 given its AF and full frame sensor.
I was looking at the R8 as my secondary camera. Thanks for the video.
For £1700 in UK with small battery, card on the bottom and expensive RF lenses, no thanks. Great review though as always Gordon! I am saving for Panasonic Lumix S5II X even Panasonic kit lens has better range 20-60mm.
That f/1.8 RF primes and RF 15-30 or RF 100-400 are similar in price and optical quality to their Tamron/Sigma EF counterparts.
I'm really conflicted between this and the Panasonic Lumix S5 II as my first camera. I was hoping to get gernally into photography, landscapes and street photography mainly, but also wanted the camera to serve video purposes for events or even streaming/video production. The lack of an IBIS seems a bit harsh, but a gimble could easily fix that
Be warned the L and RF mount lenses are expensive!
Which lead me to Sony E mount and third party lenses!
I love Canon but the S5 ii is a much better buy if you’re comparing the R8. That’s a lot of camera for your first buy though. I’d go with something you can grow in and really get comfortable with the system. Invest in glass, not bodies. You probably won’t use/need half the features on the S5 ii if you’re just starting out.
The third party lens debacle means I cannot recommend a Canon RF camera as a "budget" option.. or any option, at all, really.
As a R6 shooter, I'm also appalled at Canon's obstinate refusal to release a firmware update to remove the 30 minute record limit, and personally have not been buying *any* Canon equipment, with an eye to potentially switching systems if Canon doesn't right this wrong.
As always. The best reviewer of cameras in TH-cam. Been following you for almost a decade now. Thanks gordon
As for the camera, so cute, so capable, so affor9
Thanks for supporting me for so long! Glad you like my style.
I was thinking to buy the RP before the R8 was released, but after watching I've changed my mind hence the newer parts and the price to performance on the R8 compared to the RP
Yes, the R8 is a step up in many respects, but do keep an eye on used RP prices as there are bargains to be had.
@@cameralabs for us Canadians it seems like $1000 difference for better video, between the RP and R8. for myself I'm happy with my R7 for critters, and a used RP I got for FF richness, bokeh and wide angle.
Yes don't get the RP especially if you want to do 4k video. They really did us wrong with the RP 4k.
FYI: The RP does not have a pop-up flash.
I can’t miss the IBIS. I’d choose the Panasonic S5 mark 2 with its lovely L2 colours and live LUT, and I’m dreaming of a 45ish MP version of that one… for the price of a S5 mark 2 X version, that would be a dream! With a nice affordable yet good quality Sigma lens.
Agree, plus, the focus shift option in the Pano could be handy for those times one really wants higher resolution!
And Sigma lenses. Canon really misses out by not having Sigma. While Sony and Panasonic will continue to grow with them. That alone has me happy with the S5ii.
On a camera this small, that can be mounted on a gimbal its nbd.
@@pahwraith No. Not 100 grams more to carry on Cabin Only luggage... if that's all you are allowed to carry.
@@Viewtolove if youre getting paid to film then you can afford to check in luggage. Bill it to the client.
Hi Gordon great review as always! Quick question, would the 30p Fine on the R7 be higher quality than the 30p on the R8? Probably you didn't get a chance to test this, just wondering as you've seen footage from both. Thanks!
Good question. I think the r6 could oversample from more data, but not sure any of us would see a difference. Both look good.
@@cameralabs Thanks Gordon, I guess the R8 being a full frame vs the APSC makes the small difference probably. I am contemplating between the two. Perhaps if you get the chance it would be a good test in the future, as they're the same price! ☺️
Would be good to see. I have the R7 and the video is great, as well as the camera it self i sjust superb.
im coming from 6D and looking to get either R8 or R6 mk ii, mainly shoot long exposure and landscape, which would you recommend?
Probably R8
Canon the lenseless system, who may have guessed? Cheaper bodies but lenses costing three times as much. Canon needs to allow third party lenses to sustain its system. Especially the RF ASP-C line.
Good job Gordon with your review. Very well documented set of differences with R6 II.
Thanks!
This is a review every objective person needs. Great review. No bias, no fanboy thing like the Fro. Giving the pros and cons just to a typical user who will need this camera for their use, or else others telling this is ultimate sports camera for somebody who shoots even professional. I really envy R8 video features as a Z5 owner, how much I wish I could at least have no crop 4k. In video R8 is obviously better than even Z6ii, but consider having a gimbal, and spare batteries. Would I get R8 if I was serious about video, probably yes, but R6 is also great option to consider, even being older. But in stills area, Z5 beats R8 especially after latest firmware and is 500$ less. IBIS , dual card slots, great EVF, battery life, 1/8000 mechanical shutter, ergonomics, 3rd party lenses, and I will argue in AF things, for portraits , events , weddings , street, landscape its AF is enough. For action and wildlife, yes it's slacking. But for majority of stills shooters , Z5 is a better camera than R8.
Thanks, and I'm glad you like my approach to making reviews. I wish there was a bigger demand for this style, as the more sensationalist videos always get more views and greater revenue as a result.
How do you change subjects without the joystick? Do you need to use the touchscreen, taking your eye away from the viewfinder?
Thanks Gordon, I look out for yo when. Pop along the coast! With the R8s ability to provide a crop of 1.6x this would have the effect of increasing the EF100-400 to max at 640mm I think, but what is the resolution like? It would be a great all-round camera and decent for birds in flight if the crop image resolution is still good, no?
I have a 6d, and I’m in the early stages of looking to upgrade - the R6 mk2 would,be my desire, but I have pennies to sane for a year or 2 first - this might swing me towards the R8 if the detail and sharpness were good enough.
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If you intend to crop for photo, you will lose a lot of resolution, so it's best to by a crop camera instead. the R7 and 100-400 are a great combo for wildlife. Cropping for video is ok through as there's still enough res for 4k.
@@cameralabs inters, thanks for this… I’ll keep looking at my options and keep using the 6d to improve 😀🙏🙏
Hi Gordon, thanks for your reviews, they're really helpful. I have a Canon 6D and I'm thinking of upgrading. At first, I was considering the 90D but then I saw your review with the definition comparison charts, which led me to two other options: the Canon R8 and the Fujifilm X-S20, which are similarly priced. (Except I'd have to buy new lenses unlike with the Canon 90D.)
I understand that the main video difference is between 4K and 6K, and honestly, that doesn't appeal to me that much (although it's nice to have as a future option) since I make videos for social media, institutions, or tutorials, so I'm more interested in good definition and autofocus. What do you think? Thanks a lot for everything.
Do you need the best video AF? Canon is way better at that than Fujifilm.
I have found after shooting lots of video that the CLOG3 is much worse than using HDRPQ. You really notice it in the blacks. CLOG3 is way too noisy. I really don't know why people use it. The cinema gamut is also overkill for such a noisy image. I'd sooner have reduced colour depth and clean shadows. Resolve is very good at producing nice colours from even 8 bit footage anyway.
I'm in an R8/R6 Mk II dilemma. I have a Canon R7, which I liked, but it developed a focus problem, and after three trips to the Canon shop (two of them to fix something the shop broke on the previous trip) I still don't think it's working well. I'm also going on at least a 3-month road trip to New Mexico where getting new camera gear might involve hours of driving.
So I'm thinking of getting an R8 or R6 II as a backup. My budget says the R8 is the best choice. My shaky old hands say I need the R6's IBIS. My budget tells my shaky old hands to take a vitamin and exercise. My shaky old hands threaten to quit buying things. There are also little angels on my shoulders telling to to either get another R7 or YOLO it and splurge on an R5. Somewhere near my spleen is a voice telling me to buy a Sony and register it on the Canon site, just to rub it in.
I've said it before. Photography is easy; it's the shopping that's hard.
I like the R6 II, but it's quite a price hike over the R8 for IBIS, the dual slots etc. Remember you could always get the R8 with lenses that have OIS?
@@cameralabs It's a great point. I have two EF lenses and two RF lenses. Three of them have IS, so that weighs heavily in the R8's favor.
Always the best, most thorough no nonsense reviews.
Thankyou!
dpreview noticed significant loss in image quality in the m6 mark ii when using digital IS and even worse losses in image quality in enhanced IS. Does the R8 see any losses in image quality when digital IS or enhanced digital IS is enabled?
All cameras suffer when you apply any kind of digital IS, as it crops the image and scales it back up again.
Budget and experience (or lack thereof) made me order the R8. If I was a really good photographer, I'd probably want the extra features of the R6 Mark II, but I'm still learning, so the R8 makes sense experience-wise. Budget-wise, the $1000 I saved on the body will go a long way toward getting better lenses. Well, one better lens at least. :)
Thank you Gordon! Canon marketing dept sucks big time - they removed not only the joystick but also the wheel at the back for exp.comp, nerfed battery which was already bad on the R5/6, and... where is the full mech shutter? Another stil-born product from Canon like the R10. IBIS doesn't make a difference with IS lenses, but for vloggers it will suck. No particular target market, no particular idea why is his camera released except to have a cheaper FF camera. Not good for action (6fps), not good for landscape (no mechanical shutter), not good for vlogging (no IBIS), not good for video (crap battery), so what is it good for? Average joe who will use his phone camera instead. Stillborn. Jack of all trades master of none. R and RP users moved to R6. 6D Mark II did the same. Crop sensor DLSR users moved to R7, so who will buy R8? The odd walk-in who walks into a big store to buy 'a camera' having no idea what he is buying but having a budget of $1500 and the salesman pushes him into R8. But may as well push him into Sony or Nikon, Fuji, Panasonic or OM, depending which brand name sounds better to the client. Probably Sony. I think Panasonic and Fuji are celebrating the release of R8 and R10 like never before. OM will join in soon enough.
Who will buy it? Me!
What do you guys think about using an EFM-adapter to the R8 combining the R8 with the Sigma 16mm f/1.4? Will that work well or is it just a bad idea?
I didn't know there was an EFM to RF adapter available. Plus the Sigma is only designed for smaller APSC sensors, so you'd be in a crop mode on the R8.
Can you power the camera from powerbank throught usb-c port and the battery inside while shooting photo/video?
Great review for great camera
I literally talk about this in the video
Does R8 shoot vertical video?
Does it have so called product showcase AF setting?
Does the screen black out when you connect monitor via HDMI?
Thank you so much Gordon for the detailed and informative review. As I know R8 doesn't have mechanical shutter system? is that right? thanks and God bless you!
It has electronic first curtain which is electronic open and mechanical close
@@cameralabs Thank you for your kind answer! Good luck Gordon!
I have an rp that I quite enjoy.
Been debating upgrading to perhaps the r5 or r6ii, finances pending. though the r8 may fit my budget better and skill set.
I’m also torn between waiting to see if a r5ii comes out in a few months.
Me and my wallet are torn.
Great video. How do you reckon the R8 would compare to the 77D for video recording? Similarities? Differences? Important features added or missing? 🧐👍
You'd have to look up the 77D as it's been ages since I used it. You're best comparing the specs on Canon's web pages for both models - the R8 will have better video quality, AF and more features.
@@cameralabs Thanks. Do you know if the R8 has a clean HDMI out for external recording or streaming?
@@jarednel I think it does
Does the sensor stay exposed even when the power is off? One of my favourite things about the original EOS R is that it shuts the sensor when turned off.
I would like to know the same thing! I have EOS R since its realise and almost no dust on the sensor. It would be great that R8 has the same ability!
2:47 The canon RP doesn't have a built-in flash either.
Yeah, my mistake!
Best camera review on TH-cam ever, you're the real deal, I was considering the EOS R7 before your review, you didn't mention about it's live streaming capability, is the battery in the R8 not as good as the R? I was considering that yesterday now I'm leaning towards the R8
I need to look more at live streaming from these
Does the r8 have a central pin on the shoe and does it have a 1/250 shutter sync speed? Or is the sync speed lower like the rp? Thanks for the video!
good question - I don't recall about the pin, so will check
I wish more youtubers would stop praising this camera because they do not wish to upset canon. The rolling shutter is a big deal and I do not believe the electronic first curtain mode will eliminate rolling shutter completely 6 FPS is useless for fast action. In the world of fast action or building photography rolling shutter is a big deal. No mechanical shutter is some thing we need and canon has removed it.
I would like to buy this camera but I have a silly question. How much the absence of IBIS impact the photo quality? As I see in this and other reviews that compare the R8 with the R6 MII apparently there are no big differences shooting photos with the two cameras. As the IBIS is considered a lack on this camera which is the issues or differences I can encounter choosing this camera over the R8 (still talking about taking photos) ? I need to solve this doubt 🙂
Well, we all survived without IBIS for decades before it was invented! It's useful for sure, but either pair the R8 with a lens that has IS (optical stabilisation in the lens) or be careful to use shutter speeds that are fast enough to avoid camera shake.
Great review! Thank you for posting this. Learned a lot and am in the market to upgrade from my Canon M50. Thanks!
You're welcome! If you don't need IBIS, it's a great option.
I wanted to buy this R8 but Im really curious with the effect of its first curtain / electronic shutter in strobe photography. No one demonstrate this in youtube. Does it matter if I use F1.4/1.8 + 1/8000 shutterspeed using strobe?
Sorry I'm not a strobist
@@cameralabs its ok sir. Im a fan of your channel. Thank you for the hard work of reviewing gears for us.
I currently have the EOS RP and was thinking of getting the R8. I am in no way a professional I am an average joe taking photos at Disneyland and so on. Would it be an upgrade in your opinion? And Would you upgrade from the RP? TIA
Yes, it's faster and the video and AF is way better. But you won't be getting IBIS, dual card slots etc. The body is much the,same.
Small battery aside this is really impressive, you're essentially getting an R6 II with its 40fps and uncropped 4k60 for $1500.
exactly
@@Yupthereitism same problem the R7 has shooting birds in flight, the trees start to bend...ha
Excellent review! I've been looking at the Sony a7c for my daughter so she can Vlog her construction business. Now this Canon R8 comes out, so I'm glad I didn't get the Sony...yet. I have shot Canon for 45 years but know absolutely nothing about video, and my daughter knows nothing about cameras. I have the R and all RF L glass. I'm looking for other people's opinions here...Will the R8 be better than the Sony a7c for vlogging? I appreciate any input that you or your readers can offer. Thanks!
Don't forget, Sony is about to release the 7cii.
Awwesome review as usual! Thank you Gordon. 👍 Currently owning an RP, unfortunately, I'm still stumped on if I should spend the extra for the R6 mk ii haha. Aaah decisions decisions.
Well, the R8 basically takes your RP and puts the R6 II sensor inside, BUT you have the same body features as before. if you wat a body upgrade with IBIS, dual cards, bigger battery, better EVF etc, then you need the R6 II.
Gordon, I hope you or someone has the answer to this question... I found the Limit subject to detect feature to be interesting. The only mention I could find of it in R6 II reviews was that it is for video. Is that true...video only, or does it work the same way for stills? Would be a major feature for any bird (or wildlife) shooter, where the focus goes completely off when the bird goes out of frame.
Good point. Yes, it is ONLY for video on the R6 II and R8. What you're looking for in stills is some kind of focus lock, normally on a button on higher end lenses.
@@cameralabs Thanks Gordon. Too bad. Even the RF 100-500 does not have a focus lock button, although you can assign custom lock to a button on the camera. It would be nice if Canon would find a way to add a focus limiter option top the menu, similar to Olympus (now OM System) where you can dial in a min and max distance. It works great for BIF to drastically reduce the focus racking that is far too common when shooting BIF.
@@donk8292 you're absolutely right, I'd forgotten the 100-500 doesn't have the button - it really should do.
Does anyone know if g7x series is going to release a new model in the future？
I’ve seen on the r6ii that while filming it has bars to indicate how close to overheating it is, does the r8 have this too? I’d rather know when I need to drop the resolution/frame rate to avoid an unexpected shutdown!
Good question - I'm not sure as it never got to that point even when I had it recording on USB power for the max clip length of 2hrs, although my room may be colder than yours.
@@cameralabs I don’t have the r6ii, just saw that handy feature on a review. It looked as though it was on the screen the whole time, might have to cycle through the info on screen to get it to appear. It was white bars that turn orange as the camera heats up if I remember correctly.
@@stormsandfishing5448 yes, I show the bar in some of my reviews too, i just didn't see it on the R8.
@@stormsandfishing5448 there may be an overheat protection menu option to toggle too.
@@cameralabs I googled “canon r8 temperature indicator” and found an extremely detailed website (user manual). When selecting video mode it gives advance warning that overheating will be possible. If temperature does rise significantly a 10 bar system appears, 1-7 are white, then orange then red. Red = auto shutdown imminent.
Canon R8 in full frame, Canon R10 or Canon R50 in APS-C has the full potential to be a number 1 seller in their own category but will never reach that destination due to the stubborn behaviour of Canon. At least four or five lenses could improve the situation - like SIGMA 16mm & 30mm F1.4 in RF-S, Sigma 24-70mm F2.8 IS in RF, Sigma 150-600mm, RFS-22m F2, a better kit lens for R50 (like EF-M 15-45 F3.5-6.3).
I am a user of R10 and I like it. I would love it if Canon gave C-log 3 in it and brought an overall zoom like EFS 17-55mm F2.8.
Hey Gordon. What's the smalles canon mirror less to have image stabilization in body?
I think it's the R5 and R6, so not that small!
@@cameralabs ok cheers. I ditched canon years ago when they lost the game to Sony due to crap video features for a few years .... Now canon is back I might buy again as still have a bunch of L lenses
It might be a good travel camera, since its smaller and packs enough features.
I just bought the R8 in 2024. I have a T7i,2 EF lenses and 1 EFS Lense. This is an outstanding purchasefor me!
Do we need a V90 rated SDXC card to record in 4K 60fps CLOG3 or will a V60 be good enough?
I'm not sure, you'd need to check the bit rate in Canon's specs for this mode.
Thanks Gordon! Does the R8 shoot video in 8 bit or 10 bit? How are the colors compared to other Canon cameras?
10-bit when in C-Log3, 8-bit when in regular picture styles.
@@andreasbuder4417 Thanks! Thanks! How are the colors on this camera for video? Are they the same as the Canon R5 out of camera?
@@dpestlin1 Ah you mean out of camera. Well yeah, just look for a comparison between the R5 and R6 II. I would not hesitate at all mixing footage, the color science is extremely consistent.
@@andreasbuder4417 I see. So you are saying the r8 has the same color science as the R6 II?
@@dpestlin1 Exactly.
Is the Subject Detection Auto Focus in the R8 superior to the one on the R7/R10??
Did I mention it in the review?
@@cameralabs I ask because the R7 gets its auto focus system from the R3. While the R8 gets its auto focus system from the R6 Mark2. So was wondering if there is a significant difference in the Subject Detection Auto Focus performance between the R7 & R8. And yes... Thank You Sir for your response!
I upgraded from RP to R6. I really liked the RP because of its size and design. But I feel a bit silly when I now considering to sell my R6(mark 1) to buy the R8:). I don`t care about sport/action but it`s handy to have IBIS when I`m using my RF 50 1.8.
R6 is better, I wouldn't bother
@@wmp2669 No, not all aspects.
R8 is better on video quality, AF, features.
@@vinvanid Is that all?
I only ask because I'm looking to buy one or the other and I don't do any video recording and the r6 af is also plenty good enough for me. Thanks
@@wmp2669 So with R8 you can be satisfied and save 1000+ bucks to buy extra battery, better lenses..
@@vinvanid I'm talking about the original R6. Same price as r8 here in the UK. Cheers
Not sure if this has been asked yet :)
What is the dust & moisture protection on the R8?
And why are images in video not affected by rolling shutter?
Thanks, great video Gordon!
What do you mean by images in video? Do you mean extracting photos from video?
@@cameralabs hi, both video and electronic shutter for stills both operate in the same way via electronic shutter, So just wondering why electronic shutter for still shots is subject to the rolling shutter distortion while the video images appear to not be distorting?
Kind of reminds me of smearing images on lcd tvs some years back?
Is it the resolution or frame rate that the digic processing can’t quite handle?
Or longer shutter speeds?
Thanks 🙏
Just curious why the “rolling shutter” effect happens?
@@ScottoGrotto the rolling shutter effect is due to the readout speed of the sensor, line by line, so by the time it gets to the bottom, the subject or composition may have moved. It affects video and electronic stills but due to the way the video is scaled or oversampled from the full sensor, the effect may be less than for stills.
Great video straight to the point and simple but lots of knowledge taken in thank you 🙏
You're welcome!
I never understood the obsession with IBIS. It wasn't in cameras not even five years ago, and we took amazing pics just the same. It has never been a problem for me. As for small batteries, no big deal-just grab a bunch! Filming one hour of 4 K 25fps is absolutely great. One SD slot... no big deal; we never needed two! I think R8 is a fricking awesome deal.
Agreed, and some vloggers actually prefer NOT to have IBIS as it can intro wobbles at the edges of wide lenses when walking.
This is definitely on my short list when I finally upgrade from my existing Canon 5D2 and Canon M50. If only it had IBIS ... nuts!
Yeah, they want you to buy the R6 or the R7
Nice one I was solely looking for a cropped camera but after not been happy with the r7 I’ve sold that to mpb and I was now thinking px the r6 in towards a r6mk2 untill canon release a better crop camera pref with a stacked sensor but then after looking into the r8 I’m tempted to keep the r6 and get the r8 and pair that up with a rf 800f11 for birds I had that lens before but wasn’t happy with the small af area on the r6 I’ve still got the rf100-500 and the rf 1.4 x so could use that for now and see how that goes and also the r8 at least has better shutter readout speed than the shockingly slow r7 although no5 perfect still a good improvement also the r8 battery is that the same as the m 50 battery as still have one a those knocking about with a few batteries lol 😂
The R8 gives you the R6ii sensor in a less featured body. I like it
Is there any disadvantage of not having mechanical shutter
I wonder why the optical view finder is so much smaller (on the body) than on the R7 although they seem to have the same specs.
I'm not certain but it could be the magnification of the optics in front of the viewfinder OLED panel (should be mentioned in the specifications like 0.64x / 0.7x / 0.8x etc)
It's to do with them being in relation / proportion to the sensor size.
Here I am saving up for an A7iv and now I'm asking myself if a whole lens worth of price difference is worth it...guess I should at least wait until March to see what Sony announces with A7Cii. Even though I'm coming from an old apsc body, I'm worried about giving up IBIS...
It seems A7CII is not coming in March. It's possibly an APS-C in stead
Get a lens with IS?!
Can anyone help. Trying to decide between r6 or r8. Roughly a similar price in the UK when you add the grip to the r8.
I thought about the original EOS R and the RP. The RP would have cost me more, I already had a stack of LP-E6 batteries of various brands, and I would probably have bought four extras for the RP.
Eventually I decided not to, and I use mostly M43 gear, and an S1R with my TS-E lenses.
That 90mm macro lens looks good, but it's not the MP-E 65 killer I anticipated. Teleconverters required for the higher magnifications? It's even more expens, unless you have the teleconverters, and more faffing around. AF and focus bracketting though.
Thank you! I can't wait till it goes back into stock
Does the R8 have sensor cleaning and a shutter that is closed when the lens is removed?
Sensor cleaning yes.
Shutter door no.
@@vinvanid thanks
Does it overheat at 4K 30 fps in more than an hour of recording?
I looked at sample photos of the R8 at DP review and they were gorgeous. And then I looked at the samples of the Pana S1 and I was shocked how bad they were.
The S1 is a previous generation for Lumix, whereas the R8 is still current for Canon. Better to compare current Lumix like S5 II or even GH7
@@cameralabs 5 days ago I took out lumix LX100 and Canon 350D and shot the same scenes with the two cameras and 350D was the best by far. It was so frustrating for me why I never use the LX100 and now I finally admitted to myself why. It is a cute camera , but........
For video its good.
@@jan-martinulvag1962 the LX100 is a fun camera for sure, but both it and the 350D are very old now in digital camera terms.
@@cameralabs Sony made a 12 mp full frame sensor for a reason and they should make an 8 mp aps c sensor too for the same reason.
@@jan-martinulvag1962 I think Canon made some camcorders with 8-12mp sensors for native 4k.
I guess omitting IBIS and the second card slot (not as big of a deal) in a FF body these days is a bit of a letdown, especially since Nikon was able to include these features and come in at $100 less. I think it's great that Canon has a lot of options, but to be honest, one might be a bit more inclined to get an R7 over the R8 since the R7 does have a bit more of the R5 guts (including IBIS) but is only an APS-C sensor. Something some people may not be as concerned about, and may compromise over versus a larger sensor but no IBIS. I sort of get the feeling of an R/RP do-over with the R8 to be honest. Canon could have at least given this camera IBIS for that price, which I think is the major pitfall here. With this I would say that the gen 1 R6 might still be a better value here, despite being a bit older. As would be the Nikon Z5 as well, despite its heavy 4k crop. It does seem that Nikon has made a camera that seems to be the one to beat in terms of entry level FF, and I think Canon made a good attempt, but fell a little short if we use the Z5 as a benchmark for an entry-level budget camera (of course Sony doesn't really have anything cheaper than $2000 for their current lower-end FF bodies, if you only look at currently avaialble models, like the A7 III, despite being previous gen).
And the R7 can use an adapter to get very close to a full frame sensor...
Hi Gordon. Does the autofocus work in 120 fps?
I think it does but I'm not 100% sure.
It’s the rp mark ii - all is good except for the tiny little battery 😅
The batteries are cheap and small to carry, for street or tourist photography, to have a couple extra in the pocket is no big deal.
I can deal with the one-card slot, puny battery and lack of ibis. What's the deal breaker for me: the card slot on the BOTTOM. I'm on a tripod a lot and change cards quite a bit. WHAT A PAIN. I ended up picking up a mint condition EOS R and it's perfect for my use. Two positives I appreciate about the R8 is you can use it as a webcam without downloading the canon webcam utility & no time limit for video recording.
I agree, card slots underneath are a pain. You might find a small tripod plate though that still allows access depending on your head.
So I have chosen to use the R8 with the 24-105 L and the 100-500 L. I chose the R8 for its autofocus. Did I choose well?
Sure, nice setup!
Gordon, you used your MacBook charger for 2hrs video recording. Regular USBC charger from Android phone is not powerful enough?
Yes, my Galaxy s20 charger worked too
Hi Please reply.
Could you please tell that R8 can take external flash or not ?
Yes it can, but maybe only Canon ones
Gordon does the Canon R8 have unlimited recording time limit like the Canon R7 and Canon R6 Mark 2.
I mention this in the review in the video section: it's 2hrs per clip, but the battery will give up first, so you'll need USB power.
@@cameralabs Oh ok.
Canon R7 or R8? Which is best for indoor photo & Video shooting?
Nice upgrade of the RP, which is what I use, in my case I like the battery, since it is light for travel and for video I also use "dummy", what I don't like is the card below and the starting price something high...thank you!
Gordon, honestly, you're one of the most knowledgeable reviewers on YT, so I'm a little surprised that you said ''bigger pixels on R8 makes it better in low light'' when it is well known that it's just an urban legend but actually the whole size of the sensor accounts for light capture not an individual pixel
On a per pixel level, a bigger pixel has the potential for greater light gathering plus higher dynamic range, BUT while higher res sensors with smaller pixels may be noisier per pixel, there's more of them, so the noise artefacts are smaller and often less obtrusive. Lots of factors to weigh up
Given the body is like an RP and the battery is the same as RP, pretty sure the R8 is an RP replacement.
Regardless, thanks for the review. Definitely one great camera here!
You're right, it is more of an RP II, I meant to talk more about that, but my turnaround was limited.
@@cameralabs Keep up the good work, been a follower of Cameralabs even pre-TH-cam days.
I've already contacted Canon as well, preparing to purchase an EOS R8!
@@goldfries thanks for your support!
My guess is there will be no "true" R replacement. The lineup will have the R8 as a basic entry level full frame and the R6-II replacing R and R6.
@@mbr5742 yeah, there won't be. The world changed a lot, RP was launched at $999.
R8 is now $1499 which I believe there's 2 reasons for it.
1. it's the latest gen Entry Level FF
2. EOS RP continues to be on the market.
While R8 looks to be the RP replacement based on the physical nature of it, price and specs looks like it's kicking EOS R off the shelves.
Sheesh, this really is very confusing haha! (although your video has been a great help, thank you!) What would you say would be the better camera for an artist photographing their own work, indoors, in good (ish) natural light? The R7 or the full frame R8?
It is confusing! I think I need to make a dedicated comparison. As you know it's about weighing up body features against sensor size, but in good light the quality will be similar.
Another solid review, thank you Gordon. It seems like a very lightweight camera, probably good for use on a small gimbal. That said I remember using the RP when it first came out and the shock when I found myself in London with only one dying battery!
Thanks Ben, and yes, you need to have a backup power solution if you're doing a lot of filming,. Thankfully a USB PD battery will do the trick.
I hope that subject detect is in the new r5 firmware
Me too
Canon has seriously lost their direction. I'm still a Canon user but I have already, at the same time, moved to the Fujifilm system. I travel light now but I have access to some really awesome lenses.
Look at all the "weird" lenses Canon has been producing for their APS-C sensor cameras, dating back to the M-series. The maximum aperture ends at f/6.3 maximum zoom.
I have always been against their APS-C sensor cameras since the days of the 60D or 70D. There aren't any more great APS-C lenses since the EF-S 10-22mm and 17-55mm f/2.8.
Lo and behold, they have now produced a ridiculous 24-50mm with a really smallish aperture range of f4.5-6.3. Seriously, Canon? Who are you targeting this lens at? The focal length range is limited, and the aperture is (again!!!) restrictive. We are talking about a full-frame R8 here! This is not some APS-C camera.
I suppose Canon is trying valiantly to compete with Fujifilm and Olympus by slashing off their lenses' focal lengths and aperture range. But the attempt has failed very badly.
Sony has an excellent 20-70mm f/4 lens. What has Canon produced? Just some dumbed down rehash general kit lenses. You're not gonna attract new photographers if you keep doing that, Canon. Many more will cross over to Fujifilm or Sony.
Because its meant to be a small and light travel camera, a light travel lens just provides options, plenty of heavy RF glass or even cheaper primes if you want fast aperture and lightweight
I don’t think Canon specifically aimed the lens for travel. It feels like another of their desperate attempt to compete with the rising popularity of competitors like Fujifilm and Olympus. Then hopefully, those new to photography might think erroneously that wow, Canon also has small lenses. But they don’t realise the disadvantages they have to bear.
I don’t see how a lens that starts with a small aperture of f4.5 and a reach of only 50mm could be useful for travel. I wouldn’t want to be caught shooting at only 50mm but my max aperture is already at f6.3! 😅🫣
Precisely this is why many have switched to Fujifilm. For travel, I’m definitely using my Fujifilm, not an R8 with this weird 24-50.
Canon really needs to rethink their marketing strategy. Leave the full frame market for serious enthusiasts and pros. They don’t mind carrying bigger and heavier lenses. Stop propagating the f/6.3 design and marketing strategy!
At the same time, concentrate a lot more on the smaller sensor cameras and design much better APS-C lenses. The current batch of new lenses that Canon has is dismally limited and just not attractive.
@@kwangc6720 well they seemed desperate to keep the size and weight low and that can only mean they consider that a USP. A lightweight and small FF combined with a lightweight and small prime lens has a perfectly valid usecase. APS-C lenses are probably a separate discussion but the RF lens mount was designed around making FF lenses more compact and simpler. Maybe they want to concentrate on fleshing that out first.
The R8 is unquestionably a very solid upgrade to the RP (40 vs 4 fps, uncropped vs cropped 4K, a much more advanced AF system and ultimately a much better, modern sensor), but I find it to be too expensive in Europe. In Germany it costs €1800, which is nowhere near the RP price.
As a fellow German I have to disagree this time. 1499$ is without taxes, and it would be 1783$ with 19% VAT (Mehrwertsteuer). The exchange rate always varies between $ and €, so 1800€ is actually quite fair.
@@andreasbuder4417 Dear Andreas, I am not comparing our price to the one in the US, as I am aware of the VAT not being included in that price. I am solely referring to the price here. One can argue that, for the feature set, including the new R6 II sensor, this is a fair price. I just think for a camera that Canon seems to be placing as its budget full frame model, €1800 is not insignificant.
@@doros9.2 did you include inflation?
@@suburbia2050 I am aware that inflation has to be taken into account and I don‘t think the price is illogical. I am just having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that €1800 is the price of a „budget“ camera.
@@doros9.2 Especially when Nikon eats its lunch for features in the budget full frame model.
Would have loved to see just the digital IS alone!