Dumbledore's greatest source of power is his Intellect and ability to admit his mistakes. Dumbledore has always been a step ahead of Voldemort. In the 4th book, when Harry Potter tells Dumbledore (and Sirius) how Voldemort revived himself using his blood, "For a fleeting instant, Harry thought he saw a gleam of something like triumph in Dumbledore's eyes." Dumbledore knew Voldemort messed up. There is tons of magic that Dumbledore knew about but Voldemort didn't. And Dumbledore lay a plan through Harry Potter and Snape, eventually defeating Voldemort. Merely the Portrait of Albus Dumbledore was a formidable threat to Voldemort's plans (7th book). Voldemort was very knowledgeable in the Dark Magic but very arrogant toward the power of "Light Magic." Voldemort refused to believe that he couldn't break through Lily's Protection Charm of Harry and later messed up again in the 4th book trying to use Harry's Blood Protection Charm while ironically giving him Stronger Protection "Tethered to live while he(Voldemort) lives" (Book 7). Voldemort's arrogance toward Light Magic got him killed because he couldn't comprehend how the Loyalty of Wands worked. Even when Harry tried to explain toward Voldemort that he can't kill him with the Elder Wand, Voldemort still sent a killing Curse that rebounded - Like Harry Potter expected. Dumbledore admits the danger and formidable power of Dark Magic while Voldemort simply refuses to admit the incredible power of 'Light Magic'. During their Duel, Voldemort couldn't land even one hit on Dumbledore while fighting him with Full Power. Dumbledore might have possessed the Elder Wand, but he wasn't fighting with killer attempt and still hit Voldemort with the 'Fiery Rope' and wrapped him with Water later: Score Dumbledore - 2, Voldemort - 0. After their Duel, Dumbledore started giving orders to Fudge and could have even became the new Minister of Magic if he wanted. Fudge used to take tons of advice from Dumbledore, if you think about it, Dumbledore was the real minister of magic in the Shadows. Dumbledore is more powerful than Voldemort.
I liked the video but it was over a stupid question. Minerva said that Dumbledore is the only wizard Tom Riddle/Voldemort has ever feared so the answer would/should be obvious-Dumbledore is more powerful than Voldemort
@@wallywest9257 If you read the Order of the Phoenix, you would clearly know that Dumbledore was the best. The movie are to blame for people thinking Voldy is stronger.
Why would he wait for aurors if he could beat Voldemort? Whats the threat then if Voldemort is beaten? In book it is clear. Voldemort cant harm Dumbledore. Dumbledore cant achieve anything against Voldemort.
@The Bengalee Sceptic Dumbledore didnt kill Voldemort because he knew Voldemort had made horcruxs so it would have made no sense to kill him. What he wanted was Voldemort to get exposed to the ministry and the wizarding world to realize Voldemort had indeed come back
I love how no one even remembers that Bellatrix Lastrange, the 5th most powerful character, was present during Dumbledore's and Voldemort's duel. And Dumbledore defeated her with one spell like she was a kid at the grown-up's table. Not to even mention that Dumbledore was protecting Harry Potter during the duel.
@@joshybrucee Dolohov isn't even in the top 10 The list would go like that: 1 - Dumbledore 2 - Voldemort 3 - Grindelwald 4 - Snape 5 - Mcgonnagall 6 - Bellatrix
Assa Darlingtoni dolohov is definitely in the top 10 just because his not on screen doesn’t mean his not powerful he just is unrecognised he is commonly known to be just below dumbledore snape Grindelwald and voldy.... on the level of mcgonagall
@@joshybrucee bro no, the only impressive feat he has is duelling with Moody, he got beaten by Hermione in cafe, not just in the movies but in the books as well
Assa Darlingtoni he has created his own spells which is incredibly hard and impressive power is not just dueling it’s ur capabilities in the world if u research his origins he is a quite unique powerful character...it’s ur opinion I guess if u don’t think his powerful that’s ur opinion....I have my own
i believe dumbledore had more knowledge and tricks then voldmort, but voldmort was more powerfull, if they were the same power or if dumbledore was more powerfull the elder wand would be too much strong for voldmort´s avada kedavra.. overall i think that they are evenly matched but without the elder wand dumbledore would have had more problems in a 1 vs 1 avada kedavra vs expeliarmus..
Dumbledore is definitely powerful enough to rival the Dark lord when weilding the Elderwand But power is not why Lord Voldemort is wary of Dumbledore Its because of his cunning, his ability to see through his bullshit and his potential to discover the Dark lord's most dreaded secret, Horcruxes In raw power, Lord Voldemort is the Greatest
Lord Voldemort and not to mention during the duel HE WAS protecting harry. While VOLDEMORT was shooting out the killing curse every 2 seconds. One thing that annoys me the most is people think just because dumbledore had the elder wand he actually used it power. Well thats completely wrong dumbledore had it with him so one can just take the wand and use it for the wrong purpose. He guarded the elder wand. Also no one not even Voldemort knew dumbledore had the elder wand AND THATS BECAUSE HE NEVER USED ITS POWERS. A man who could beat Grindelwald who possessed the elder wand could beat anyone. Not to mention dumbledore talks to voldemort like hes a little kid calling him tom. In that duel voldemort was throwing out everything at dumbledore. Who simply seemed to be relaxed and defending himself. The order itself feared Dumbledore. IF TOM was so powerful as many think. Dumbledore isnt very hard to find. Why didnt tom kill the wizard that he thought was a threat to his power. it sure woulda seemed simple if voldemort was more powerful then dumbledore. Well thats because he wasnt. Another thing this man literally had to convince some snape to kill him lmao. While voldemort was trying to survive. Dumbledore was able to surpass tom with basic spells while tom used forbidden spells and still couldnt beat dumbledore. Who was protecting harry.
@@slurp3194 the main reason for this is the movies. In the movies they show Voldemort winning. The number of people who have just watched the movies heavily outnumber the book readers. And even more heavily outnumber serious book readers who remember minute details. During the who duel Harry constantly describes Dumbledore as He had no fear, like taking a stroll in the park, like discussing things over drinks, etc.
@@slurp3194 mahi zen Your theory about Dumbledore not using the power of Elderwand is absolute bullshit Nobody knew Albus had the Elderwand How does that imply he never used its power And he can't even not use its power Every time he casts a spell, its already boosted Dumbledore called Voldemort tom because he called him tom since his childhood He wasn't protecting Harry or shit Voldemort didnt even touch harry once Albus arrived Funny how Dumbledore *Absolutely destroyed* Voldemort without beating him, capturing him or so much as scratching him at all So how about you stop lying On the other hand Lord Voldemort almost Killed an Elderwand welding Albus Dumbledore in about 2 minutes into their duel if not for Fawkes despite being in a hurry to leave before the Entire Auror office arrived It is obvious that you love Dumbledore but tell your bullshit excuses elsewhere pal
@@lordvoldemort917 Dumbledore is unafraid of death If i am unafraid of death I will walk towards Godzilla like a walk in the park Doesn't mean i can do shit to it Same with Dumbledore
In his prime years? He was even more powerful and far more experienced when he was duelling Voldemort, than when he duelled Grindelwald. Dumbledore would have killed Voldemort if he intended to. Not technically killed, he would have destroyed his body because he can't be killed because of horcruxes. Which is why Dumbledore did not intend to kill him because he knew he would not be around when and if Voldemort returned again. Dumbledore did not want to take the risk. Even Voldemort knew that and he told Dumbledore, "you are not trying to kill me Dumbledore" Voldemort was all about raw power and dark magic. Dumbledore on the other hand was a legend, a genius, someone who researched magic, who literally played with his magic like a baby plays with his toys. That's how natural Dumbledore was. He knew Dark magic too but he never used them for obvious reasons. A reference from the first book, Dumbledore told McGonagall, "You flatter me Minerva. Voldemort had powers I will never have." Professor McGonagall said, "because you are too-well-noble to use them". There is a reason why Dumbledore was the only person Voldemort feared and never dared to duel him (unless he had no choice, at the ministry). Because he knew who Dumbledore was
@@thedoruk6324 no problem bro. It's possible that you already knew most of (or all of) what I said. But I thought I should add a comment to your post in case you did not. Just to add to my last comment, If I understand it correctly, Dumbledore did not use dark magic because he wanted to set an example for everyone that they did not need to resort to learning/using dark magic for anything. Dumbledore had mastered his magic indeed. He never referred to Voldemort as dark lord, 'you know who', or 'who can not be killed', like others used to. He always called him Voldemort. Heck! At the ministry when he showed up to save Harry, he even called Voldemort *Tom* straight in his face! Despite knowing that Voldemort absolutely hated being called Tom because he always despised what his muggle father named him. Dumbledore called him *Tom* straight in his face. If you read the books, when both duelled, Dumbledore was so calm and countered each of voldemort's spell with a mere flick of his wand. He was very calm and did not have any trouble at all when duelling voldemort. Movie showed it differently just to make it look more flashy. But you know books are he canon. Movies are not the canon
Lol, not even close considering Voldy almost finished Albus in about 2 minutes in the Ministry Despite Dumbledore having the Elderwand if not for Fawkes Voldemort is Vastly Superior to Albus and always has been That's how it is in the books Movie Dumbledore was a bit stronger To make the fight interesting
Kodukula Anirudh bro not even close in the movie he was not beating Albus Albus was beating him. Plus even in the book it pretty much showed he wasn’t even trying to kill him because he can’t die
@@managainsthumanity1742 why do people keep bringing up the movie Fawkes is not in the movie fight I don't care about any movies And no, Horcruxes may prevent Voldemort from dying ,but not from being defeated, being captured Once captured, Force extracting the locations of horcruxes is easy, then so is killing Voldy The only reason Albus didn't do that is because he couldn't do it It wasn't to " Save" harry, it wasn't old age Voldy didn't even touch harry once Albus arrived Wizards don't get weaker with age Albus was described as having the strength and agility of a much younger man several times in the book's All are just excuses Even with the Elderwand, Voldy almost finished Albus in a couple of minutes, if not for Fawkes, in the Ministry That's like a most wanted terrorist kicking the butt of the head of secret service in the white house, armed with nothing but a pistol,. The secret service guy only surviving because his dog took a shot for him
Dumbledore easily outmatch Voldy. Well, maybe not easily, but.. He is the better wizard. He was blocked anything Voldy through at him, he just strolled towards Voldemort basically mocking him and making him nervous.. Fawkes you say? Well, Fawkes is Dumbledore ace up his sleeve. They are a team. Something tells me the same thing has happened before.
1) Dumbledore defeated wielder of elderwand ie grindelwald 2) If Dumbledore killed Voldermort, how is final and unintended horcrux, residing within Harry, was going to be be eliminated. It could be eliminated without killing Harry if Voldermort do it.
Dumbledore is tapping into multiple sources, which when combined has greater potential. If Dumbledore truly intent on defeating Voldemort, without regards to whom he once was. I'd wager he would win. At a cost.
Dumbledore didn't go for voldemort because its not his prophecy to defeat the dark lord. All know the prophecy that a boy with scar ll defeat the dark lord. So he played the side role. If it wasn't for the prophecy he would have gone other extend.
@@whiteskydream so he didn't do shit to Voldemort Even with the Elderwand from 1955 to 1981 because he could see into the future and knew the prophecy in advance ? This "Dumbledore could have defeated but choose not to " garbage is getting ridiculous
@@Phoenix-King-ozai Especially when you consider that Dumbledore had no problem in going for a straight duel with Grindelwald, besides the later possessing the Elder Wand. But Dumbledore avoids facing Voldemort directly despite having the Elder Wand himself and knowing that if he defeats Voldemort then he ends the war that lasted for almost 50 years.... Fact is Voldemort accomplished feats that put Grindlewald to shame and Dumbledore knows that, he claims that Voldemort pushed the boundaries of magic on ways he thought impossible. Grindlewald was searching for the Resurrection Stone to create an army of inferi, Voldemort had no trouble doing that without it.
@@Phoenix-King-ozai Bruh do you know that so called the greatest darl lord voldemort so powerful but never once tried to come with army to fight Dumbledore and kill the boy. What he was waiting for. If u not following the story line let me tell you voldemort fear Dumbledore. And if you don't know Dumbledore plan lots of things how to defeat voldemort and what he didn't was his own greed the greed to own deathly hallows which later kill him. And ok you dont take the bullshit that he could not because of prophecy. Bruh this whole story is start with the prophecy. And Harry Potter not even a greatest wizard he sure is good but not the best he is only famous coz of the incident. Defeat voldemort are you getting the prophecy or you want more explanation
I feel like Dumbledore was far, far smarter, which gave him an edge in fights, as well as the long run. Ultimately it was his plan that led to Voldemorts downfall.
Dumbledore is not significantly smarter than Voldemort, the plot needed Voldemort to lose so it appears he is ‘less’ intelligent despite being a prodigy and breaking the boundries for years.
Dumbledore is definitely more brainy and especially more cunning But Voldemort is for sure more powerful However, Voldemort wasn't "intellectually" inferior He was emotionally inferior Rowling definitely drank the EQ kool aid
@@Phoenix-King-ozai Voldy is both intellectually and magically inferior to Dumbledore, hence why the book explicitly states that Tom feared Dumbledore. Are you upset that the author of the book herself has demonstrated that voldy is less powerful?
Do I even need to remind you that 1) dark arts doesn't make you stronger. Reflexes and spell knowledge do. 2) Dumbledore was over 110 years old when facing Voldemort ? This man was a century old, still teaching Tom who's boss. Truth is that if you believe one second that Tom's stronger than him just explain this 3) Voldemort never attacked Hogwarts in an open fight before Dumbledore's death. And don't tell me he'd be outnumbered we can just see how stuff happens in the last book. Soooo he's just scared by one man who's boss. 4) Dumbledore has far greater knowledge in magic than Tom actually. Of course there is this discussion with Minerva at the beginning but there are some others too where he tells Harry that he does know about dark magic but doesn't use it by choice, though, knowing how magic works is what makes you stronger hence as you mentioned in another video, he casually blocked Avada Kedavra multiple times when facing Tom at the minister. The one thing you could answer is elder wand, however, the wand chooses his sorcerer so Dumbledore would get a really strong one on par with Tom's and considering all the knowledge Dumbledore has (he has the most knowledge in the Harry potter universe in terms of spells) and the reaction time for an old man (actually capable of disarming two aurors, ombrage and the minister himself in a blink of an eye before they could react when over 110 years old just says it all. Oh and, you could add on top of that that actually he's not only knowledgeable, he's the smartest out there too. So pretty much over Tom on basically all points. Dumbledore wasn't breaking a sweat whenever he faced Tom, but you can't say that for Tom. So, I still wish to understand, if anyone would explain to me if I'm wrong, where am I ?
you have to consider that Doubeldore did not fear death. Voldemort feared death. Voldemort has everything to loose in an dual. Dumbledore has lite to loose
@@TheStellarmanCo. well to me it seemed like Lord Voldemort almost Killed an Elderwand welding Albus Dumbledore in about 2 minutes into their duel if not for Fawkes DESPITE being in a hurry to leave before the ENTIRE Auror office arrived If you think Albus was not even trying, you obviously didn't read the books Dumbledore has been trying to kill Voldemort for 4 decades to failure Even with the Elderwand If he had a shot at capturing Voldemort, he wouldn't miss it for the world
"The Only One He Ever Feared" answered this question a long time ago. The only people who question this are movie fans who saw a misrepresentation or Dumbledore haters.
Yes it did Anyone who read the books knows Or should know that Lord Voldemort almost Killed an Elderwand welding Albus Dumbledore in about 2 minutes into their duel if not for Fawkes despite being in a hurry to leave before the Entire Auror office arrived Funny how Voldemort was not at all scared in the chapter He was almost cocky
@@Phoenix-King-ozai Everyone in the books should remember as well that an Avada Kedavra cannot be blocked by any shield charm and that it requires a physical defense. It is also suggested Fawkes and Dumbledore had some mental connection, meaning Dumbledore knew Fawkes would block the curse. Voldemort attempted to possess Harry as he couldn't beat Dumbledore outright. It is also stated Voldemort struggled to escape the water bubble dumbledore created.
@@stever8961 I know AK can't be blocked by spells So does Dumbledore, as does Voldemort That's why Dumbledore used the statues and stuff and Voldy conjured a silver shield to block it but Albus never used it as he needed to capture Voldemort because of horcruxes Why are you telling me this ? I don't care that Dumbledore had Fawkes under his control Fawkes as an external party was not related to Dumbledore's power This is not a debate between an Elderwand welding Albus plus fawkes vs Lord Voldemort This is a base dumbs vs base voldy debate Voldemort possesed Harry because Dumbledore used a 3rd party to spoil Voldemort's near perfect set up and because as a terrorist, he cannot wait till the Aurors come He knew Albus being the weaker wizard was stalling him Voldemort physically struggled against the water and then using his own power, simply Disapparates which is more than can be said for Albus needing fawkes to survive the curse Lord Voldemort almost Killed an Elderwand welding Albus Dumbledore in about 2 minutes into their duel if not for Fawkes despite being in a hurry to leave before the Entire Auror office arrived in an extremely Hostile location
@@Phoenix-King-ozai I would disagree. The fact that dumbledore has a connection to Fawkes means Fawkes isn't a external party. Also it is suggested the elder wands true power is rather dark magic. Dumbledore explains in the 7th book that he never utilized the Elder wands true potential. "I was fit to own the Elder Wand, and not to boast of it, and not to kill with it". I think the passage, especially since it was supposedly a gift from death, suggests the wands true power comes through its ability to kill people. In the Grindelwald vs Dumbledore duel, Dumbledore was only a shade more skillful. We also know neither were fighting to kill one another (Grindelwald imprisoned the people he defeated). Then Dumbledore wins the duel. It can't be coincidence that an Elder wand weilding Grindelwald lost a duel in a fight that would have been evenly matched when he didn't have the elder wand. More evidence is the only times we have seen the elder wands strength is in the legend where the elder brother kills a man he had a fight with and the second time is when Voldemort spell rebounded on him. In both cases the Wand kills someone. So in conclusion, Dumbledore never utilized the wands true ability and thus was the better duelist.
I think it's actually more heavily slanted in Dumbledore's favor. Sure, the Order of the Phoenix film shows Dumbledore fighting relatively on par with Voldemort, but in the book, it's far more one-sided. Dumbledore was casually blocking or deflecting Voldemort's spells. The only time Voldemort nearly got him was combining apparition and the killing curse only for Fawkes to swoop in and take the blast. All the while, Dumbledore was busy mocking Riddle's inability to accept the concept of a fate worse than death. Then keep in mind that Dumbledore declared he was ready to take on every one of Fudge's people and win again. Then consider a throwaway line from the book when he was confronted by Fudge, Umbridge, and two Aurors: "I have absolutely no intention of being sent to Azkaban. I could break out, of course -- but what a waste of time, and frankly, I can think of a whole host of things I would rather be doing.” And then consider the simple fact that he effortlessly broke into the Ministry. Even Harry noted that Dumbledore's presence meant that they were saved and this was before the old man even drew his wand out.
There's hardly anything to suggest that Dumbledore's more powerful than Voldemort as they fought to a stalemate while Dumbledore wielded the Elder wand. Dumbledore even consistently regarded Voldemort as his superior throughout the books.
Conor Stack Dumbledore did acknowledge that in terms of dark arts, Voldemort did possess considerable skill, but he also expressed that Voldemort was also woefully ignorant in other forms of magic. I don’t hold the Elder Wand to be any indication of Dumbledore’s power, it’s a powerful wand to be sure but consider that Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald who wielded the Elder Wand.
@@wilji1090 Dumbledore's ability to defeat Grindelwald while he wielded the Elder wand shows how powerful he was, just like Voldemort's ability to stalemate Dumbledore even while he wielded the Elder wand shows how powerful he was.
@@wilji1090 No, he'd be just as skilled with or without the Elder wand, but he'd be harder to defeat with skill as well as the extra power the Elder wand gives.
Sir Blackbeard Nicholas Flamel is almost 700 years old. I’d be brittle at that age too. Dumbledore isn’t waaaay stronger than Voldemort. He is infinitesimally stronger, by a hairsbreadth. Though he is a bashful person and implies that Voldemort is more powerful than himself, we can extrapolate that since Dumbledore describes himself as a shade greater than Grindelwald, and we know that Voldemort is more powerful than Grindelwald, it seems that Voldemort would be half a shade inferior to Dumbledore (if we are to take Dumbledore’s word).
Thanks to the movies whenever I hear or read Dumbledore saying anything calmly, I can only imagine Dumbledore yelling it instead like with "HARRY, DID YOU PUT YOUR NAME IN THE GOBLET OF FIRE" Dumbledore asked calmly
I interpret this duel in essentially the same way as I interpret Yoda vs Sidious. The dark side of the force & the dark side of magic both offer more inherent advantages in dueling, & yet, Dumbledore & Yoda both stalemated the most dangerous "dark" individuals of their times without even touching said darkness. Therefore, it makes sense to me to assume that Dumbledore & Yoda hold more raw power than that of their opponents.
Definitely Dumbledore...Dumbledore knows and understands Dark Magic, but Voldemort is limited by his lack of understanding of other branches of magic. I remember in Book 5, the OWL examiner saying Dumbledore did things with a wand she'd never seen before. Also, Dumbledore was far more decorated as a student than anyone else that ever attended
The only " Magic" Voldemort doesn't understand is the ever so Corny " Love " Dumbledore himself declares that Voldemort's knowledge of magic is more Extensive than any wizard alive, considering Albus was alive at the moment, the answer is clear Tom riddle was quite and rarely drew attention Which is wise considering his plans for world Domination It was heavily implied that Albus was kind of a show off and was a teachers pet in his childhood, Not the saint he was later Dumbledore himself described Tom as Probably The Most Brilliant Student to ever Attend Hogwarts But i know you'll just dismiss these as Dumbledore being modest, which he really is not in situations like this, but you'll disagree Its all become so predictable
@@Phoenix-King-ozai have you read any books? In the 5th book duel between him and Voldemort he clearly owned Voldemort by blocking every killing curse he threw at him lol and defeated Bellatrix with 1 spell while protecting harry
@@Phoenix-King-ozai and also single handedly trapped every single one of the other death eaters that were left, by himself. They were all extremely afraid of him which is why as soon as the death eaters saw him, several took off running. Read the books before forming your opinion. The books are the official cannon of the story, and dumbledore was the most feared wizard in the world especially by the death eaters and Voldemort.
"By which time I shall be gone, and you dead!” spat Voldemort. He sent another Killing Curse at Dumbledore but missed, instead hitting the security guards desk, which burst into flame. Dumbledore flicked his own wand. The force of the spell that em- anated from it was such that Harry, though shielded by his stone guard, felt his hair stand on end as it passed, and this time Voldemort was forced to conjure a shining silver shield out of thin air to deflect it. The spell, whatever it was, caused no visible damage to the shield, though a deep, gonglike note reverberated from it, an oddly chilling sound. . . . “You do not seek to kill me, Dumbledore?” called Voldemort, his scarlet eyes narrowed over the top of the shield. “Above such brutality, are you?” “We both know that there are other ways of destroying a man, Tom,” Dumbledore said calmly, continuing to walk toward Volde- mort as though he had not a fear in the world, as though nothing had happened to interrupt his stroll up the hall. “Merely taking your life would not satisfy me, I admit -” “There is nothing worse than death, Dumbledore!” snarled Voldemort. “You are quite wrong,” said Dumbledore, still closing in upon Voldemort and speaking as lightly as though they were discussing the matter over drinks." Voldemort is clearly afraid, or at the very least, NERVOUS. Dumbledore, however, is not. He must be the only person to stand in front of Voldemort with absolutely no fear. I honestly don't believe Voldemort would have even beaten Grindelwald, who, unlike him, had a vast understanding of all the magic Voldemort deems worthless.
And yet he almost Killed an Elderwand welding Albus Dumbledore in about 2 minutes into their duel if not for Fawkes DESPITE being in a hurry to leave before the ENTIRE Auror office arrived Just like he promised Voldemort would crush Gellert Grindelwald faster than he can cry STOP! Voldemort > Elderwand welding Albus >> Normal Albus > Elderwand welding Gellert >> Normal Gellert >> Everyone else Therefore, Voldemort >>>>Gellert Grindelwald
@@witdajuice6763 He totally would Anyone with an ounce of common sense would get that If you disagree, try to prove me wrong with facts Or else, shut up
It can be possible that Voldemort feared Dumbledore only because he thought that Dumbledore was more experienced wizard and had been practicing magic for a long time. But later on when Voldemort gained more power & realised his powers in true sense he then didn't feared Dumbledore anymore. As we all know Voldemort is and will always be the most dangerous wizard of all time
@D E V C U T SDark arts itself is just magic meant to harm, but of course, I thing Dumbledore was better in some branches of magic, like transfiguration, but I think overall Voldemort was more powerful.
@@unapersonav1522 because he knew that Voldemort did something to achieve immortality he just didn’t know what. So there was no point in trying to kill him yet.
@@unapersonav1522 And in my opinion it says a lot about how Dumbledore never used dark magic with Voldemort and even then in my opinion Dumbledore is stronger and more powerful especially in his prime years.
I disagree with how you read the MoM duel between Dumbledore and Voldemort. Voldemort was clearly dueling to kill so we can assume he is at his maximum. But I don't think Dumbledore was for a few reasons, first of all Dumbledore's true strength came from strategy, he was playing the long game which is why he ultimately won. He had no reason to attempt to kill Voldemort because he knew it wasn't possible, he may not have fully understand why and how he'd ultimately win, but from how he speaks in book 6 he had a pretty good idea by this stage and was just putting the final pieces together. Perhaps most importantly though I think Dumbledore was playing more to out Voldemort and make it harder for him and his followers to operate, he warns Voldemort that the aurors etc are on there way. Voldemort made a mistake by coming to the ministry and Dumbledore was taking advantage of it. It was clear that Dumbledore was exhibiting a lot of his power but considering the other flashes we get, for example the fire against the inferis. To me it's clear he had much more in the tank and should he of ever been around when Voldemort was killable I reckon we would of seen a whole other type of match up. On a slightly more depressing note. Though I really like Jude Law's portrayal of Dumbledore so far. I have a bad feeling that FB are going to give us a lot of Dumbledore fan service and that by the time they're finished we'll have a Dumbledore that is so insanely overpowered as to make this conversation no longer so much fun to have. Another great video, thank you!
Dumbledore knew that he is more powerful than Voldemort yet, he also knew that he could not kill him, so he didn't bother and focused more on saving Potter and he also knew that even he could overwhelm Voldemort the prophecy could not be changed and that Potter would be the one to kill him.
Very well thought out and explained video. After what happened to his sister Dumbledore never trusted himself with power so I think we never saw his full capabilities.
@@Phoenix-King-ozai nah, voldie cant even defeated dumbledore in battle of ministry while dumbledore protecting harry and immobilise bellatrix. It's even known dumbledore not even try to defeat voldie (cause he know voldie cannot die) and just waiting for minister to see voldie himself
When dumbledore was fighting Voldemort he was protecting Harry so I think that if he can protect Harry and fight Voldemort at the same time I would call Dumbledore the greatest
Also, pinning Bellatrix on the floor like a little kid. Bella is one of the most powerful Death Eaters of Voldemort. And when the duel between Albus and Voldemort, Albus was mocking Voldemort in his face calling him Tom and saying he was a fool, and Albus just going forward to Voldemort like he has no fear in the world. And Dumbledore is talking CALMLY to the most feared dark wizard while defending, and almost drowning Voldemort in a water sphere.
Hmm I think you missed the point. Dumbledore himself said that Voldemort had pushed the boundaries of magic far beyond possibility but only of certain types of magic of others he remained woefully ignorant. This magic which voldemort called "love" terrified him because he was ignorant of the power this kind of magic can wield. And this magic was being studied as one of the forces (emotion as I like to call it) in the department of mysteries. So it is true that Dumbledore did not dwelve into the kind of magic that Voldemort did, but only because he already foresaw it's limitations. So even without the elder wand I don't think voldemort would be able to beat dumbledore. Dumbledore essentially was more all rounded wizard than voldemort. So ye Dumbledore with/without elder wand >>Voldemort with /without elder wand
Dumbledore’s goal was never to kill him tho. Plus even if Voldemort was mortal Dumbledore wouldn’t have killed him. He even admitted in the book that killing Voldemort wouldn’t satisfy him.
The scene in which grinderwald reflects all those spells is simply beautiful, and when he casts that blue fire on the 2nd film is also incredibly ashtonishing, i believe hes a very strong wizard, i cant wait to see more of him in the upcoming films.
This was a very thorough breakdown. Although I disagree that Voldemort is more powerful. The point that seemed to push the narrative that Voldemort is more powerful is that Voldemort was able to go toe-to-toe with Dumbledore when he possessed the Elder Wand. I look to the battle with Dumbledore and Grindlewald to counter. At their supposed heights of power and Grindlewald wielding the Elder Wand, Dumbledore was able to defeat him. Dumbledore himself in the Deathly Hallows states that he was only “a shade more skillful” than Grindlewald. That, in my opinion, shows that the Elder Wand does not give anyone greater ability than they already have. If that were the case, then Grindlewald should have been able to defeat Dumbledore. So if Voldemort was more powerful he would have been able to defeat Dumbledore, or at least come out appearing that he had an edge. To be fair to Voldemort however, he did not have 3 hours to duel Dumbledore. Adding onto this, Dumbledore was not actively trying to defeat Dumbledore. Simply buying time till the Ministry officials arrived. In summary, I feel that Dumbledore is the more powerful of the two. This power comes from both innate skill with magic as well as a greater level of magical knowledge. A lot does come with 115 years of life as well as competing with Gellert Grindlewald.
Did you even read the books? The fight between Voldemort and Dumbledore inside ministry of magic did not look even close to its film depiction. Dubledore was just casually dodging Voldemorts full rage on attacks while holding Harry back.
Did YOU read the book ? Albus barely survived the fight because of his pet bird Despite having the Elderwand and fighting in a location which is extremely Hostile to Voldemort and Voldy having barely minutes before the ENTIRE Auror office arrived Just because Albus is not afraid to die doesn't mean he can do shit to Voldemort He never could, for 4 decades, even with an unbeatable wand, just like he couldn't lift the dada jinx, just like he couldn't cure the gaunt ring curse put by a 7th year Voldemort Just like he could never Fly, possess people, Enter a window slit like smoke, just like he was not the Greatest leglimens the world has ever seen Albus barely matched Voldemort with the Elderwand which he had since Voldemort's 7th year, 1945 That enough ? And he wasn't holding Harry back That's some grade A bullshit He bewitched multiple statues before the fight began which pushed Harry away from the fight and incapacitated bella Voldemort didn't even touch harry once Albus arrived
ZYXPQI Dumbledore Grindelwald Voldemort Reason for Grindlewald being second. Is that Voldemort feared death. Which made him reckless. GWdisnt fear death and wanted the beat for all. Voldemort wanted genocide for muggles.
Mitchell Drake jk Rowling literally stated that Voldemort was the most powerful dark wizard of all time. U can’t argue against her as she is the author of everything. Therefore Voldemort>Grindelwald
That is probably because he was aware of the horcruxes and the only way to stop Voldermort once and for all was to have harry to do it after sacrificing himself. On top of this Dumbledore was very modest, even if he thought he could beat Voldermort it wasn't in his nature to brag about it
@@samdurling6053 Horcruxes had nothing to do with it He was specifically talking about Voldemort penetrating his defenses Dumbledore was never falsely modest Sure, he never bragged He was at his most neutral when he talked about other wizards, especially about Voldemort, whom he wanted to bring down for about 5 decades But he constantly reminded people, especially when it was necessary of his power and brain This was of course, usually to put them at ease that he had the situation under control Heck, Dumbledore doesn't even need to admit it Voldemort is comfortably stronger than Albus in magic Just because Albus is smarter, more cunning, un afraid of death and wiser than Voldemort doesn't mean he is a better wizard than Voldemort Albus Actually looked up to Lord Voldemort as a Yardstick of magical excellence This is most apparent in the Half blood Prince and deathly hallows Voldemort really did do things Dumbledore didn't even dream about However, Albus was strong enough to Almost rival Lord Voldemort Especially with the Elderwand
Kodukula Anirudh buddy ur so wrong u dont even know. Do u know why voldemort never attacked hogwarts where harry resided its because of dumbledore. Also dumbledore rushed in to the ministry to protect harry and treated voldemort like a little kid.WHO I MIGHT REMIND U WAS SHOOTING OUT KILLING CURSES LIKE IT WAS NOTHING. And dumbledore simply protected harry and himself. And called voldemort fucking tom. Also harry believed dumbledore to me the most powerful wizard rightfully. When dumbledore talks about him not being able to kill voldemort its about the horcruxs then dumbledores raw power. Also dumbledore doesnt even use the elder wand. Which is easily reconizeable but not even Voldemort knew he had it BECAUSE HE NEVER USED IT. He only protected it from people like voldemort. Its clear throughout harry potter universe that dumbledores the greatest wizard ever seen even the ministry themselves feared dumbledore getting out of hand. Also dumbledore never ran from tom. Tom kept evading dumbledore never wanting to face dumbledore in a duel. The presence of dumbledore simply warded of any who might want to attack harry
Voldemort is obviously more powerful because of his bloodline but Dumbledore's intellect and experience allowed him to rival Voldemort and even subdue him
both voldemort and Albus are Half blood so i don't see any difference in Bloodline as Dumbledore is far more powerful than voldemort if there's no horcruxes than Dumbledore would have killed him
Good video. I think Voldemort and Dumbledore were pretty even in power. Interestingly Dumbledore had avoided Dark Magic while Voldemort wholeheartedly embraced it. Both were Half-bloods. Dumbledore had a Muggle-born mother. His father could have been Half-blood or pureblood. In Rowling's universe the most powerful wizards seem to be Half-blood.
Yay a new video, I've missed them! I agree that Dumbledore is more powerful. Not only because of his exceptional wand work and spells but also for his kind and understanding heart. For someone to be compassionate to others it takes getting through pain/sadness and having empathy. Which is something Voldemort can't do. Fighting for others and not just yourself always gives an upper hand in a fight. Hope you continue putting out these great videos 👏🏼.
The books gave us many indications that Dumbledore was weaker than Voldemort, literally saying it in almost every book indirectly in some way. Dumbledore just comes off smarter but still extremely close to Voldemorts power level. Other than everything said in the video I just wanna say this - Dumbledore won over Grindelwald while Grindelwald had the elder wand ( and it is stated that Dumbledore only just had the edge in the end if I remember correctly ) - Dumbledore and Voldemort were even, Dumbledore would have died in the ministry if it wasn't for Fawks which would mean Voldemort would have won at that moment probably ( Dumbledore had the elder wand ) - Voldemort is stated to be a lot stronger than Grindelwald and since Dumbledore and Grindelwald are stated to be pretty much even and Voldemort stated to be stronger than Grindelwald, already here we can almost go for "Voldemort being the strongest". Then it doesn't make sense IMO to take Toms reaction in the chamber of secrets into this as if I remember correctly, he is the young version with the skills he had at the time he made the book a Horcrux and from that point, to like 1998 I would say he's gotten a lot stronger so the reaction at that time is natural for him xD. ofc that version or at that time, Tom was not stronger than Dumbledore. But Voldemorts the strongest and Dumbledore the smartest.
I think it's a silly argument that Voldemort being afraid of Dumbledore is a bad way of saying that Dumbledore is stronger. Voldemort wasn't just powerful but intelligent, he wouldn't risk finding out who was stronger between the 2 of them in open combat. That's why he ultimately used subterfuge to kill him. And even if Voldemort was stronger than Dumbledore, it wasn't by all that much to make a victory for Voldemort completely onesided in his favor. Combine their relative power levels with the fact that Dumbledore was much more experienced abd knowledgeable then Morty amd you have a situation where power levels might not be the best indication of who would win, even if Voldemort had the higher one.
I think saying Dumbledore would have died if it wasn't for Fawkes is not true, that's like saying Voldemort would have lost if it wasn't for the shield he spent most of the duel hiding behind. Dumbledore had lots of different ways to defend himself eg he could've just disapparated. The fact that he was just walking straight up to Voldemort without a shield tells me that he had that fight under control and could easily handle anything Voldemort threw at him which he basically did. Voldemort on the other hand had trouble dealing with Dumbledore's spells and needed a shield. And he was actually shown struggling with the bubble of water he got trapped in which ended their fight more or less
Kasper Hansen Kodukula Anirudh buddy ur so wrong u dont even know. Do u know why voldemort never attacked hogwarts where harry resided its because of dumbledore. Also dumbledore rushed in to the ministry to protect harry and treated voldemort like a little kid.WHO I MIGHT REMIND U WAS SHOOTING OUT KILLING CURSES LIKE IT WAS NOTHING. And dumbledore simply protected harry and himself. And called voldemort fucking tom. Also harry believed dumbledore to me the most powerful wizard rightfully. When dumbledore talks about him not being able to kill voldemort its about the horcruxs then dumbledores raw power. Also dumbledore doesnt even use the elder wand. Which is easily reconizeable but not even Voldemort knew he had it BECAUSE HE NEVER USED IT. He only protected it from people like voldemort. Its clear throughout harry potter universe that dumbledores the greatest wizard ever seen even the ministry themselves feared dumbledore getting out of hand. Also dumbledore never ran from tom. Tom kept evading dumbledore never wanting to face dumbledore in a duel. The presence of dumbledore simply warded of any who might want to attack harry
There's also the fact that during their duel, the book says.l, quite clearly, that while in the midst of the duel with Voldemort, Dumbledore made light conversation, and, Dumbledore, "continuing to walk toward Volde- mort as though he had not a fear in the world, as though nothing had happened to interrupt his stroll up the hall."
Sure, Dumbledore was not afraid of dying, which is well known even in the Very First book It is admirable and all that But What does that even prove ? If i am fearless of death, I ll make fine conversation with a Tiger too Doesn't mean i can actually beat it in a fight Just like Dumbledore didn't beat Voldemort in any way and almost died On its own, the statement is useless to guage who is more Powerful and is very misleading considering how the actual duel turned out to be
4:54 Not really. In the books, the fight was more one-sided, with Dumbledore slightly wiping the floor with Voldemort, while in the movies they alter it so that it seems more evenly matched because Dumbledore flooring Voldemort would probably be boring to watch.
Well, I guess on that Dumbledore/Voldemort/Grindelwald-level it's more a question of strategy and tactics - and Dumbledore showed his mastership (and profound knowledge of human nature including Voldemort) the whole time, including being in ruthless enough to sacrifice Harry. Voldemort is ruthless and incredibly powerful - but he isn't able to understand the WHOLE human nature, so THIS is Dumbledore's advantage. 😉
King I usually would, but in the case of Grindelwald there is SO much misinformation that it’s become endemic to the topic. You would trust a big channel like whatcutlure to do their research, but apparently they can’t. They literally did a list of most powerful wizards in Harry Potter and put Grindelwald above Voldemort, even though Voldemort is EXPLICITLY stated in the books as more powerful than Grindelwald.
@@SarastistheSerpent and has much better feats to boot It would be alright if Grindewald fans were like "Ohh Gellert Grindelwald is so cool and powerful I don't know about Voldy but Gellert Grindelwald seems more interesting" That would be cool But they say meaningless shit like " I am certain that Gellert Grindelwald is much more powerful than Voldemort and Voldy is only more evil, not powerful " From all accounts, Voldemort is much much more powerful than Gellert Grindelwald and has done so much more than any wizard, not just grindewald
Probably Dumbledore but Voldemort is more dangerous/destructive Edit: Voldemort can also fly unaided, if he fully utilizes this in combat he is nigh unbeatable.
Dumbledore was easily always the more powerful because he gets a head starts. What I mean by that is that he uses things that even a muggle can use before even beginning to use magic. The saying work smarter not harder. He took to the extreme. His ability to predict the where events were leading and what he needed to do to be proactive in making sure he steered the out come to be able to benifet his plan. That was his greatest strength. Now for people who read this and think yeah but we are talking like in a duel. The this still does apply, take the order of the Phoenix fight Voldemort uses the killing curse to try and kill dumbledore. Dumbledore expected this to be an attack he would make and was ready for it. He was able to block the attack. Many of different time did Dumbledore door not only expect somebody to act one way and prepared for. Helping to give the edge. One being his death, another being Harry’s death. Unlike Voldemort who would rise to power and yet still make the same mistake allowing himself becoming rash and power hungry making. As well as putting all his chips on what a seer say will happen instead of creating his on future by living and planning his actions to counter and attack base on what the order did.
The thing I love about Albus is he’s good everywhere, there is not an area where he’s weak. A master of all trades if you will. And his use of apparition during a fight is on another level, his evasive magic is top tier, defensive magic is top tier , offensive magic is top tier, transfiguration magic is second to none, and on top of all this his wit and sharp mind makes him probably the best wizard of his age, with none after him surpassing him, or with any hope of getting close. Dumbledores best trait that he has over Voldemort is he lacks arrogance, and embraces his nobility, this ensures that he is able to remain in control of himself and the situations he’s in, unlike Voldemort who becomes infuriated in battle, and if not that, is arrogant and cocky, and if you will, can sometimes become a bit delusional about what he’d able to accomplish, dumbledore accepts everything for what it is, whereas Voldemort can only admit to himself what he wishes to perceive as his reality, dumbledore knows how to control his magical prowess down to the smallest fraction, Voldemort does not, looking at purely the movie feats of each dark lord, Grinderwalds magic was far more impressive and versatile and dumbledore bested him, while grinderwald was in possession of the elder wand, a relic that was considered to be crafted by death himself. To me the answer is clear… also any confrontation between dumbledore and grinderwald see them as sort of equals, whereas in the books, dumbledore professors voldemorts no nose having ass.
Voldemort is far more powerful in dark magic but that is it. Dumbledore bypasses Voldemort with every thing else, these including light magic, all-round knowledge, Mentality, admit his mistakes, then learn from them. Composure, tactics, Accuracy, adaptable etc
The official canon ranking is: Dumbledore>Lord Voldemort>Grindelwald. Dumbledore was a tiny bit better than Voldemort, and Grindelwald was inferior to both of them.
Nissy92 Dumbledore is stated to be the most powerful wizard in modern history and of all time variously (stated in the books, Pottermore and the HP wiki). Lord Voldemort is stated as the most powerful dark wizard of all time (stated in the books, on Pottermore and the HP wiki) as well as the second not powerful wizard in history (stated on the HP wiki), and Grindelwald is stated, in the books and on the HP wiki as the second most dangerous and second most powerful dark wizard in history, after Voldemort.
@@SarastistheSerpent While some people say Roger Federer is the strongest tennis player while many think its actually Novak Djokovic. Noone tells Novak Djokovic because Roger Federer has more overall hype from media and came first but Novak Djokovic is the better player. Same here. Everyone says Dubledore is stronger but hes not.
@@xdlolik7910 And there are people like you. Its like that in HP where Dumbledore, Voldemort and even Grindelwald have their fans who think they are the strongest. 🙂
More powerful magical forces (destiny) stopped Dumbledore from killing Voldemort. He knew this from the prophecy. Dumbledore's mastery of occulemcy also stopped Voldenort's mind reading, giving him an edge most of Voldemort's opponents don't: the element of surprise.
Voldemort feared Dumbledore ever since the latter first saw the former out in the orphanage. Dumbledore must've known about TR's possible outcome and wanted to intervene at the time, albeit subtly, but just enough to strike some fear
Ha. For comparison purposes, think of it like this. Tom is Vegeta after receiving the Zenkai from being healed (Dende). Albus is Freeza...luring Vegeta into a false sense of security and then finally letting the poor sap know: "This isn't even my final form".
Tom Riddle was stronger/more powerful, he could keep pace with Dumbledore, spell for spell even while Dumbledore had the ELDER WAND & more yrs under his belt to study magic. That says soooo much. Imagine Tom vs Dumbledore with out the ELDER WAND & having the same amount of yrs under their belts to study magic. Tom at around 70 yrs old give or take was as strong as an 100+ yrs old man who had the Wand of legend.
@@user-sg3uq1iv8q he hit the nail on the head even with the elder wand in dumbledors hand voldemort was pushing him tf back, without the elderwand Voldmeort would have crushed him
While Dumbledore had a much greater knowledge of spells and the functions of magic he had the elder wand the entire time. 1v1 with their original wands Voldemort would win in a duel. However this article makes a good point, if Dumbledore were evil he would be by far the strongest
Jewish MegaPower Dumbledore only died to help keep snape undercover. Plus save the life’s of snape and draco. They both would have died due to the unbreakable vow. So basically Dumbledore died for the greater good. He knew what was going to happen and set everything in place for Harry to succeed and fulfill prophecy
Well, logically, Dumbledore's more powerful because although both of them were magical proteges, Dumbledore's the one with more experience. He was older than Voldemort and also treated the reality the way it is (his hard childhood and teenage, I mean) and not just brood over useless things, like a Muggle father.
But, even that being said, Voldemort can be more powerful because Voldemort acquired almost the same power in 71 years as Dumbledore did in almost 120 years
Raw power: Tom Riddle is at the top Wisdom: Dumbledore is at the top Dumbledore knew he wouldn't be able to take out Tom Riddle on his own, that's why he elaborated such a plan, in which he had to sacrifice several fellow wizards and even himself to take down Voldie.
Voldemort is afraid of Dumbledore because he is death himself or represents death. Voldemort’s only/ main fear is death and that’s why he tries to escape death (Dumbledore) by creating horcruxes. ~that’s my own theory, would love to discuss that :) have a great day
I think with dumbledore it's clear during his time spent with grindelwald and his power/intellect. he stood on the precipice of becoming a dark wizard and saw no ultimate reason to pursue it. it's like wanting something so bad. and you finally get it and realising it was never what was going to make you happy. He had the opportunity but his compassion and intelligence showed him a better path
Short Answer: Dumbledore. PS: For those who only watched the movies, Dumbledore was nerfed in the battle against Voldemort in the Department of the Mysteries. I'll put some extracts from the books to support my point. ... Dumbledore not only fought Voldemort, but he was also pinning down Bellatrix Lestrange. Not to mention he was also protecting Harry. ... Voldemort raised his wand and sent another jet of green light at Dumbledore, who turned and was gone in a whirling of his cloak; next second he had reappeared behind Voldemort and waved his wand toward the remnants of the fountain; the other statues sprang to life too. The statue of the witch ran at Bellatrix, who screamed and sent spells streaming uselessly off its chest, before it dived at her, pinning her to the floor. ... Dumbledore never intended to finish Voldemort. He was simply stalling. This next extract will prove who had the upper hand in the battle. ... Dumbledore flicked his own wand. The force of the spell that emanated from it was such that Harry, though shielded by his stone guard, felt his hair stand on end as it passed, and this time Voldemort was forced to conjure a shining silver shield out of thin air to deflect it. The spell, whatever it was, caused no visible damage to the shield, though a deep, gonglike note reverberated from it, an oddly chilling sound. . . . *“You do not seek to kill me, Dumbledore?” called Voldemort,* his scarlet eyes narrowed over the top of the shield. *“We both know that there are other ways of destroying a man, Tom,”* Dumbledore said calmly, *continuing to walk toward Voldemort as though he had not a fear in the world, as though nothing had happened to interrupt his stroll up the hall.* “Merely taking your life would not satisfy me, I admit -” (Dumbledore very likely knew about the Horcruxes at this point. He knew Voldemort could not be fully killed until parts of his soul were destroyed.) “There is nothing worse than death, Dumbledore!” snarled Voldemort. “You are quite wrong,” said Dumbledore, still closing in upon Voldemort and speaking as lightly as though they were discussing the matter over drinks. *Harry felt scared to see him walking along, undefended, shieldless.* He wanted to cry out a warning, but his headless guard kept shunting him backward toward the wall, blocking his every attempt to get out from behind it. “Indeed, your failure to understand that there are things much worse than death has always been your greatest weakness -” ... I know most people have only seen the movies, but we simply cannot ignore what happened in the books since they're canon.
Voldemort acknowledged that Dumbledore wasn't trying to kill him, 'cause he noticed that he wasn't using the killing curse, but he didn't have to kill Voldemort to defeat him. Dumbledore could have used the statues he animated to protect Harry and Bellatrix against Voldemort, but he was only using the other statues as shields which Voldemort easily destroyed. Dumbledore and Voldemort were pretty evenly matched even while Dumbledore wielded the Elder wand. Dumbledore also needed Fawkes to save him from Voldemort's killing curse. For all that we know, Voldemort would have killed Dumbledore if Fawkes wasn't there.
@@CulturalMarxist4985 I always saw Fawkes sacrificing itself for Dumbledore as symbolic. Dumbledore could have easily apparated to safety, but Fawkes taking the Killing curse head on showed that Dumbledore had one thing Voldemort didn't, and that was the power of love. At that time, Dumbledore had probably guessed Voldemort had the Horcruxes, and he certainly knew about the prophecy, so he knew he wasn't the one to finish Voldemort. His goal was for the Ministry to acknowledge his return, in which he was successful.
Dumbledore with the Elder Wand was unable to win on Vold. Vold is more powerful in term of energy that him imprint in one spell, btw Vold is blind on other things.
Things changed for Albus post Ariana's death. Had Albus and Grindenwald just continued there quest for power in dark magic, Volde would have been no where near these two. However Grindenwald got arrested and Albus changed for good. Volde's sense of security came from the fact that he had multiple parts of his soul secured in objects but as we know Dumbledore and lots of other able wizards and witches had info and even knew how to make horcruxes. Albus also had books in his personal collection at Hogwards as to how to make Horcruxes which Hermoine takes later with her. So however this realization that Albus had as too what happens to one who pursues dark magic beyond a certain level I mean how one looses themselves in anger and hatred is deadly. So Albus wisely never pursued dark magic post Ariana's death. But both he and Gridenwald were more than capable of easily obtaining dark magic beyond what even Volde did.
Well...Dumbledore did in one of the Books Say that Voldemort was better than him as a Student. I agree that they are pretty much on par with Voldemort slightly edging him out in raw power. Next, I'll say that Dumbledore did have the power of love and Trust...something Voldemort knew nothing about, and it's also stated Love is the strongest magic in the Harry potter Verse. Dumbledore has that over Voldemort, also he has the Elder wand. Then, there is the fact that Dumbledore was like 116 or something when he died, while Voldemort was 70-71 that is a big difference there. Had Voldemort embarrassed love and Didn't see it as a Weakness he would be a lot more powerful then he was. With everything taken into factor... I pretty much agree with the Voldemort>Dumbledore.
Mostly people talk about power in terms of force - magical strength and skill, physical strength and skill, stronger army / navy / air force / space force etc.. But what about the power that flows from wisdom - knowing what to do, what not to do - and kindness, affection, right choices? The sort of power that draws allies (such as Fawkes swallowing Tom's / Voldemort's spell in the book duel), the wisdom and gentleness that helps Harry come to the point of realising what he must do since he is an unintended horcrux. Power that arises from wisdom and ability to make choices that Tom / Voldemort cannot understand or anticipate.
After he almost Killed an Elderwand welding Albus Dumbledore in about 2 minutes into their duel if not for his pet bird which saved his ass in the last possible second ? And he " Fled" maybe, just maybe because the Aurors came and Voldemort being the most wanted terrorist was fighting Dumbs in the fucking ministry of magic ? comparable to bin laden fighting the secret service in the white house You expect him to just stay there and handle both an Elderwand welding Albus Dumbledore and the Entire Auror office don't you ? Funny thing is, Even if he did just that you Dumbledore fans would have found some other bullshit excuse to talk down Voldemort and glorify your old guy, wouldn't you ? I love how incredibly Biased some Albus fans are
@@ivankaramazov7375 Before discussing with me Why don't you read a goddamn book pal What business do i have discussing with someone who just watches the new fantastic beasts movies and thinks he now knows about Harry potter You grindewald fanboys are the desperate ones
He is right. In the 5th book they were pretty even. Both had some advantages. For Dumbledore: -Dumbledore was weilding the Elder Wand. -He had Fawkes helping him and taking the Avada Kedavra for him. For Voldemort: -Voldy could not be killed, although his body could be destroyed. -Unlike Dumbledore, Voldy was willing to kill his opponent. So... The fight was pretty even. They each had moments of difficulty. Dumbledore was calm because that's his nature, but he fought hard. He had to rely on the environment, enchanting statues and using Fawkes, to save himself from death. When you have to use external help it means that you are under pressure. Had he been in an empty room without Fawkes his life might have been in serious danger (although he probably could have found an other way out). Voldy struggled in the Water Orb and he had to disapparate to break free, but he managed to break free and that's what matters. So at the end of the day, neither of them was able to overpower the other. What sets them apart form me is not raw power. In raw power they are probably even, and Voldemort might even be a little more powerful. His jinkx on the ring was so powerful that even Dumbledore and Snape were not able to revert it. Not to mention, he inherited the ability to speak Parseltongue and to control the Basilisk, he could read people's mind like no-one else, he could perform unsupported flight, he could possess peoole and bodies. Also, he was more proficient than anyone in the Dark Arts, being able to create Inferi and to create Horcruxes. That is awful, but it speaks volumes about his talent and determination. He was very clever but at the same time he was too arrogant and confident. He was a brilliant strategist, his plan to create and protect the Horcruxes, his attacks on Harry, the way he created his Army, everything was genius. But he didn't foresee Lili's protection nor the Prior Incantatio between twin wands. He then understood his mistakes and he acted accordingly but he didn't understand who the Elder Wand belonged to till the end, because he was fooled by Snape. In his defence, Snape is probably the greatest Occlumens ever, he would have fooled anybody. Dumbledore on the other hand was proficient in every branch of magic. Being Grinderwald's ex-lover he too dabbled in the Dark Arts. But he chose to pursue light. He was overall more knowledgeable than Voldy because he understood Dark Magic and also Light Magic. He understood the Power of love. He was also more analytical, he could realize Voldy's weaknesses when Voldy himself couldn't. His arsenal of spell was so wide that he didn't have to use the unforgivable curses to keep Voldy at bay. Overall I'd say: Raw power and special abilities: Voldy 10, Dumbledore 9,5 Strategy and understanding of magic: Dumbledore 10, Voldy 8.5. Total score: Dumbledore 19.5, Voldy 18.5.
Nice job, and logical Although i have a bigger list of Lord Voldemort's achievements if you want Some of them will Tilt the equation to Voldemort's favour even more To the point that even if Dumbledore never had the Elderwand, I can Confidently say Voldemort's got an edge over him in everything except wisdom, Love and long term strategy
@@icydelight3693 Yo cool buddy I just pasted it in 2 parts First is Voldy's achievements 2nd is about his power compared to Dumbledore Some of the parts are my old replies to stubborn Albus fans So please excuse the language Part 1 A Tribute to Lord Voldemort Why Lord Voldemort, Not Dumbledore was the Greatest wizard of All Times Respect List : There are some things that only Lord Voldemort could do.... None of these are inherently evil or due to dark magic....They are due to his mastery of magic These are his list of achievements... These are Uniquely his, no other wizard can do these other than Lord Voldemort (1) He can fly Till " You - know- who " discovered it unsupported flight was considered a magical impossibility..... I mean, this guy flew accross Europe and to germany from England in search of gregorovich and to Numengard.....if that's not impressive.....i don't know what is. Also he can fly atleast as fast as a Firebolt ( Battle of seven potters ) When Asked how Voldemort could fly, Rowling Tweeted that : " Brooms, like wands were tools to channel Magic, and the Most Gifted of the Wizards can do away with them" (2) He can posses people who are not even his horcruxes. ( "...of my powers, only possesion remained when i lost my body..." ) - (HP 4, Death eaters chapter) (3) He placed a curse on the gaunt ring so powerful that a 115 yr old and hugely more experienced dumbledore could'nt prevent from spreading...even with the Elderwand........i.e.. when he was only 17 yrs old remember that he was raised as an orphan....he had no knowledge on magic at all till he was 11 yrs old.... in just 6 yrs, this is extremely impressive magic Snape, a master of Dark arts said it was a... "Curse of Extraordinary power, to contain it in one hand is all we can hope..." (4) He is the Greatest legilimens ever, beyond doubt. Nobody even denies it, ever, in the books, seriously Snape himself says, Voldemort almost always knows when someone is lying That's high praise, from Snape himself, a master occlumens ( He failed to detect snape's betrayal only because of his lack of understanding of love and snape's motivation, not a limitation of his skill, just a defect in his Worldview ) (5) Can transform into a smoke form and can slip through window slits... ( Hp 7, breaks into Numengaurd prison ) (6) Was so determined to beat death that, he was prepared to live as a ghost for 13 years. ( " I was weaker than the meanest ghost, I remember only forcing myself to exist, second by second...." ) (This point just highlightes his willpower, which is a virtue ) (7) Managed to evade capture for 4 decades...in England Grindelwald didn't even dare enter England for fear of a normal Dumbledore when he himself possesed the elderwand...... Voldemort evaded capture from an elder wand weilding Albus Dumblefore for 4 decades...from 1956- 1997 . (8) Created not one, but two horcruxes and commited multiple murders during his school days...right under Albus Dumbledore's nose. He sure has balls (9) Achieved a Favourable stalemate with an Elder wand weilding Albus dumbledore in their duel * " AN ENTIRE SECTION IS RESERVED FOR THE FIGHT ANALYSIS... SEE BELOW , AFTER COMPLETE ACHIEVEMENTS" (10) Dumbledore is regarded as an expert in Transfiguration.......but Voldemort was no less brilliant.... He conjured a Silver hand for wormtail that had enough strength to crush wooden twigs to powder.... Even more impressively, he made it into his own traitor disposal system, it killed wormtail the moment he showed mercy to his master's enemies Voldemort also conjured an exceptionally strong Silver shield out of thin air amidst his battle with Dumbledore Albus's powerful Elderwand enhanced spell which made Harry's “ hair stand on end “ only managed to make a “deep gong like sound.....” it was specifically mentioned that the shield was " ...not even dented... ". (11) Parseltongue ( Although, Albus can apparently understand it to an extent... impressive) (12) Jinxing the DADA post which an Elderwand welding Albus Dumbledore couldn't remove for 4 decades BONUS FEATS : These feats can be done by Both Voldemort and Dumbledore and maybe also Grindelwald. (1) Voldemort can cast a disillusionment charm so powerful that he is rendered completely invisible . So can Albus and Gellert. (2) Voldemort is the only wizard apart from Dumbledore who can apparate and disapparate silently without making a loud pop sound .
@@icydelight3693 Part 2 Lord Voldemort vs Albus Dumbledore analysis The Actual Fight myths debunked, and Why Dumbledore DIDN'T WIN You will hear a lot of Bullshit from biased Albus fans as to how Exactly Albus Won the Fight (1) Ohh Albus Dominated the fight (2) Albus knew Voldemort had Horcruxes (3) Albus was protecting Harry and keeping Bellatrix at bay (4) He was too old, 116 years is too much Now the Un-romantic, Cold hard facts : (1) Now, the Fight Highlights : - Dumbledore arrived just in time to save harry, transfigures a bunch of statues One pushing Harry away from the fight Another thrusts Bellatrix to the ground and keeps her from moving - Dumbledore and Voldemort talk a couple of sentences -- Voldemort apparates in front of the fountain, fires AK, Dumbledore dodges it by apparating himself near the fountain - Dumbledore fires a powerful spell at Voldemort which Voldemort blocks by conjuring a silver shield, the spell makes a deep sound but couldn't damage the shield - Voldemort tries an AK again and Dumbledore animates a centaur statue to intercept it which destroys the statue - Dumbledore tries to trap Voldemort with a fiery Rope, Voldemort tranfigures this into a snake and sends it to Albus while simultaneously Apparating near the fountain again and sends another AK The snake coils around Albus and is about to sink its fangs, the killing curse is about to hit Albus as well, Albus can't apparate without taking the snake with him and it biting him in the mean time However, Fawkes comes and swallows the curse and drops on the floor, a baby Dumbledore uses the time and vanishes the snake - Dumbledore uses Water from the fountain to suffocate and knockout Voldemort Voldemort resists, then Disapparates - Dumbledore is alarmed, Voldemort realising that the Aurors could be here any moment and that Albus has the time advantage decides to possess Harry and tries to trick Albus into attacking Harry - Harry expells Voldemort with his love, specifically his grief over the death of sirius - The battle comes to an end once the Aurors arrive, they see Voldemort Voldemort frees Bellatrix and Disapparates SUMMARY : Lord Voldemort almost killed an Elderwand welding Albus Dumbledore in about 2 minutes into their duel if not for Fawkes DESPITE being in a hurry to leave before the ENTIRE Auror office arrived So much for Dominating the fight Albus barely survived the fight (2) Anyone with some sense would know that all the Horcruxes in the world would mean jack shit if Voldemort was actually subdued and captured Albus can simply force extract the locations of horcruxes if he was so powerful and then destroy them and kill Voldy at his leisure You don't have to kill someone to win In a duel, a single stupify is as good as Avada kadevra if it hits you, its over, and Voldemort didn't let a single spell hit him…so where exactly did his supposed Horcrux advantage come into this fight ? Albus can Defeat Voldemort if he was Powerful like he did to Grindewald and disarm him, transfigure him into a rock and chuck him in the middle of the Pacific As long as none but Dumbledore knew where the Voldy-rock lies, no one would be able to restore him Immortality sucks Voldy… So why no ? Because he wasn't strong enough, like at all to do that Like i said, keeping Voldemort till the ministry could see him was all Albus could do, and that's a Great feat, especially when your opponent is Lord Voldemort (3) The easiest to Debunk Harry was pushed back and Bellatrix was thrust to the ground before the fight even began by 2 transfigured statues by Dumbledore before the duel even began They played No part in the fight at all Voldemort didn't even touch harry once Albus arrived (4) The Books mention about 3-4 times that Albus had the Strength of a much younger man Wizards barely get weaker with age Prof Trofty and Griselda marchbanks were Dumbledore's Newt examiner's and were also Harry's OWL examiner's They were 130 + and walked, talked, did magic and wrote editorial articles against the Minister for magic Gellert Grindelwald's Great aunt, Bathilida bagshot was atleast 160 when she died Albus swam “ dived into the icy cold lake and swam With a perfect breast stroke with the grace and agility of Much Younger man “ And this was an year after he was Cursed and on the day he died, after an Entire year of Getting weakened by the curse… He sure could flick a wand in the fight when he was fit as a fiddle The best case scenario for Albus was that he had slower reflxes, There is Zero evidence that he was any stronger in his supposed Prime as compared to the 5th Book So why did Albus lose ? Voldemort was Always the most powerful wizard in the books Albus barely matched him with the Elderwand which he had since 1945, Voldemort's 7th year at Hogwarts Albus had the Elderwand for 5 decades out of which Voldemort was a threat for atleast 3 Albus couldn't even remove the jinx put on the DADA post by Voldemort in 4 decades, even with the Elderwand Voldemort around his 7th year, after barely 6 years of magical education cast a curse so strong on the Gaunt ring that even an 115 year experienced Albus Dumbledore and severus snape could only contain it temporarily And People still Bullshit about How Dumbledore schooled Lord Voldemort Albus couldn’t do Shit to Voldemort for 4 Fucking Decades even with the Elderwand He was equal and opposite to Voldemort only With the Elderwand, which he had since Tom’s 7th year Lord Voldemort is by far the Most Powerful wizard in the series, and it is obvious He can fly, posses people, enter through a slit in a window, conjure objects in the middle of a battle and so much more… Pity, no one even gives him his due SO, IN SUMMARY : - Voldemort wasn't captured, defeated, killed, incapacitated or so much as scratched by Albus - Albus had all the time in the world Albus literally raised Harry as a sacrificial goat for the Greater Good If He could have Captured Voldemort, putting Harry at risk wasn't a big deal So saving harry was not a priority if it gave a shot at capturing Voldemort - Albus had an unbeatable wand, or atleast, a Damn Powerful one - Voldemort was forced to Fight Albus in the ministry of magic, Comparable to Bin ladden fighting the director of secret service in a vacant room in the white house Voldemort would have done Vastly better in a more Neutral location - Voldemort almost Killed Albus if not for a last minute, once only per Battle rescue By Fawkes If Voldemort put Albus in such a scenario again, A baby Fawkes can't save Albus - Voldemort left only After the Aurors came - Albus himself knew he couldn't defeat or capture Voldemort He said it was foolish to come because the Aurors were on the way He didn't say "Got you now, bastard" Or "Bad luck tom, I am here" Or "Prepare to be defeated" What actually happened ? Voldemort had to flee only and only because the Aurors came, after the fight ! Just like Albus predicted What did Voldemort say ? "By which Time I shall be gone, and you shall be dead " Which is exactly the outcome, if not for Fawkes
Before i watch the video I'll say this. It was pretty much a stalemate, neither had the advantage over the other in their duel however i feel like Voldemort with a prolonged fight would take the advantage since he's younger and has immensely powerful dark spells. Prime Dumbledore would win though(I believe Grindlewald would beat Voldemort as well). Take the horcruxes out of the equation and Voldemort would lose either by his own arrogance or by being out witted
Honestly, if Voldemort didn't make his Horcruxes, he would be a lot better. Tom Riddle was a lot more cunning and had a sharper mind. He invented new spells, like flying unassisted. It was his Horcruxes that made him a lot more emotionally unstable. I honestly think if the fight prolonged and Voldemort wasn't getting his way in the fight, he would become frustrated and angry and leave an opening for Dumbledore, who was always calm and collective. Funny enough, Voldemort's obsession of immortality was his downfall to become great lol.
@@CulturalMarxist4985 he's an old man and though he is gifted he's only a man, thats why i think Dumbledore would have lost eventually, he's not augmented by dark magic and Voldemort had the edge especially if remember Harry being their made Dumbledore have to defend him to. Grindlewald fought prime Dumbledore in their legendary duel and while Dumbledore won he didn't do it easily. Grindlewald was in his prime and had the elderwand at the time, he would win.
@@johnslade9751 Well, there isn't really anything to suggest that Dumbledore had become weaker. He was even described to have had the speed and agility of a much younger man, while he was weakened and dying from the dark magic of Voldemort's Horcrux. With the sudden agility of a much younger man, Dumbledore slid from the boulder, landed in the sea and began to swim with a perfect breaststroke. -Harry Potter and the Half-blood Prince. It would only make sense for Dumbledore to have simply been more experienced and magically knowledgeable against Voldemort than he was against Grindelwald. He also had the Elder wand against Voldemort.
The fight at the Ministry was the biggest proof that Dumbledore was way stronger than Voldemort. Sure, he had the Elder Wand, but he was also multi-tasking like crazy in that fight. As he was holding off Voldemort, he was also protecting Harry from shards of shattered glass, and preventing him from entering the fight, and had transfigured/bewitched one of the statues to go to Fudge's house and bring him to the ministry to prove that Voldemort had returned. He was able to do all this while trading blow for blow with Voldy, negate dark magic, hold Voldy in a water bubble, etc. All this by an old man who was well past his prime.
@@Phoenix-King-ozai You ignoramus. Do you truly believe by sprouting this nonsense it will become real just like that? The reality is and we all know Dumbledore dominated Voldy without even trying. Everyone knows this.. But you. One lone sheep. Educate yourself boy.
here's a few things to consider regarding the elder wand helping dumbledore... he did win grindelwald with the elder wand while dumbledore said he knew their matched in power but perhaps he had out skilled him slightly... this means that he understand the law of magic perhaps more than anyone else and therefore was able to know how to resist the wand's powers. if you'd ask me dumbledore might be less "powerful" but he's 100% more skilled than the other two...
Voldemort looked like he had the upper hand in the books. Dumbledore had to use Fawkes to absorb the killing spell of Voldemort's attack which is saying something. But Dumbledore was holding back as well as he was, and I quote by Voldemort, "Above such brutality" meaning he wasnt immediately fighting to end the fight as soon as possible. Also at the end of the day, Dumbledore had the elder wand
Dumbledore vs Voldemort and dumbledore had the elder wand and failed to hold him .He was with 13% part of his soul super exhausted and with a wand later that wasn't obeying him.. Dumbledore said him himself the strongest dark WIZARD and also he said if Voldemort return in his full power not even his strongest charm WOULD stop him
@Philip Arvanitidis Not really. 1. Dumbledore said in book one "Voldemort had powers I will never have." Then he also said " I knew that Voldemort’s knowledge of magic is perhaps more extensive than any wizard alive. I knew that even my most complex and powerful protective spells and charms were unlikely to be invincible if he ever returned to full power." 2. I know a lot of people with come up with whatever with this one but idc, because I don't see why it shouldn't make sense. If Dumbledore was stronger, he could have defeated Voldemort when he rose to power, he could have stopped him anytime after Voldemort returned if he was more powerful than him even if the prophecy is there, just saying. People be overrating Dumbledore asf now 3. Going by power scaling, Voldemort wins, Dumbledore is smart and we see that after his death with the overall plan and we know that Dumbledore was a genius at a young age etc but not more powerful. It is stated that Dumbledore was evenly matched with Grindelwald power-wise and only just had the edge over him ( Ofc Grindelwald had the elder wand ) It is stated that Voldemort is more powerful than Grindelwald throughout the books and he went toe to toe with Dumbledore who had the elder wand at the time and Dumbledore would have lost and died if it wasn't for Fawks coming in with a clutch save meaning that Voldemort did overpower Dumbledore but Fawks came in and then the fight went back to being even again. Imagine if Dumbledore didn't have the elder wand and if Fawks wasn't there to save him, then what? He would definitely have lost and if the fight was gonna keep going, probably would have lost in the long run 2. I don't see how that is not literally saying who the most powerful one is.
@@kasperhansen7854 Dumbledore knew well highly suspected Voldmort had horcruxes somewhere at the time so knew killing him would not kill him but put him back in the state like he was when he first 'died' just further delaying Voldemorts return again. If Dumbledore wanted to kill him I'm sure he could've and if Voldemort didn't have his horcruxes he probally never would've fought Dumbledore. There's a reason Dumbldore was the only person Voldemort ever feared that statement alone should tell you who's more powerful.
Jkr herself said that pre half blood prince when he cursed his hand and drank the potion of despair she said that anyone who went against Dumbledore in a duel would ultimately lose, that's how much of a BAMF Dumbledore was. In Half Blood Prince when going to Slughorn (keep in mind that his hand was already cursed) he said that he would be able to repel any attack that the Death Eaters would attempt on them and he was never one to brag so yes Dumbledore is clearly the most powerful wizard in Harry Potter.
I think they are even, maybe Dumbledore is slightly stronger but Voldemont has the edge because he is willing to use the dark arts. Which Dumbledore wont do.
He was even with an Elderwand welding Albus Dumbledore plus fawkes Which means base Voldemort is more powerful And dark magic is just magic used for malicious purpose Its not "Extra powerful" or something
Prime Voldemort would beat Prime Dumbledore Both with elder wants and remove the restriction of the wands ability “cannot be defeated in a duel” or w/e it is, Voldemort was a tad bit more powerful. Dumbledore was probably the more skilled duelist. But we’re not talking about who is the more skilled duelist. We’re talking about who is the more powerful wizard. Like if they had to use a spelled to carry heavy amounts of water over a far distance without dropping it, Voldemort would be able to to travel further and carry more water. That’s how I determine more powerful.
When hairy asked Dumbledore if" he knew then sir, and Dumbledore said "did I know then ? That I was meeting the most powerful wizard in history? Kinda tells you how Dumbledore felt about this argument
Dumbledore thought that Riddle splitting his soul into pieces weakened the latter. But the idea that Dumbledore wasn’t spiritually wounded (if not sundered) by having to defeat the man he loved for the greater good is, I think, not picking up some of the subtleties that Rowling was putting down. Dumbledore was also broken, just in a different way.
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Dumbledore's greatest source of power is his Intellect and ability to admit his mistakes. Dumbledore has always been a step ahead of Voldemort. In the 4th book, when Harry Potter tells Dumbledore (and Sirius) how Voldemort revived himself using his blood, "For a fleeting instant, Harry thought he saw a gleam of something like triumph in Dumbledore's eyes." Dumbledore knew Voldemort messed up. There is tons of magic that Dumbledore knew about but Voldemort didn't. And Dumbledore lay a plan through Harry Potter and Snape, eventually defeating Voldemort. Merely the Portrait of Albus Dumbledore was a formidable threat to Voldemort's plans (7th book).
Voldemort was very knowledgeable in the Dark Magic but very arrogant toward the power of "Light Magic." Voldemort refused to believe that he couldn't break through Lily's Protection Charm of Harry and later messed up again in the 4th book trying to use Harry's Blood Protection Charm while ironically giving him Stronger Protection "Tethered to live while he(Voldemort) lives" (Book 7). Voldemort's arrogance toward Light Magic got him killed because he couldn't comprehend how the Loyalty of Wands worked. Even when Harry tried to explain toward Voldemort that he can't kill him with the Elder Wand, Voldemort still sent a killing Curse that rebounded - Like Harry Potter expected.
Dumbledore admits the danger and formidable power of Dark Magic while Voldemort simply refuses to admit the incredible power of 'Light Magic'. During their Duel, Voldemort couldn't land even one hit on Dumbledore while fighting him with Full Power. Dumbledore might have possessed the Elder Wand, but he wasn't fighting with killer attempt and still hit Voldemort with the 'Fiery Rope' and wrapped him with Water later: Score Dumbledore - 2, Voldemort - 0.
After their Duel, Dumbledore started giving orders to Fudge and could have even became the new Minister of Magic if he wanted. Fudge used to take tons of advice from Dumbledore, if you think about it, Dumbledore was the real minister of magic in the Shadows.
Dumbledore is more powerful than Voldemort.
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Nigga voldemort knocked his ass down.
I liked the video but it was over a stupid question. Minerva said that Dumbledore is the only wizard Tom Riddle/Voldemort has ever feared so the answer would/should be obvious-Dumbledore is more powerful than Voldemort
@@SP-mp6jz no he didn't, when he died, he had let SNAPE kill him as it went with his plan. He could've easily overpowered Severus
Dumbledore wasnt trying to beat Voldemort in the ministry. He was just biding time so the minister and the aurors saw that Voldemort was back.
@@wallywest9257 that was the movie version which is not the same as the book
@@wallywest9257 Agree 100%, i only wish people had as much sense as you
@@wallywest9257 If you read the Order of the Phoenix, you would clearly know that Dumbledore was the best. The movie are to blame for people thinking Voldy is stronger.
Why would he wait for aurors if he could beat Voldemort? Whats the threat then if Voldemort is beaten? In book it is clear. Voldemort cant harm Dumbledore. Dumbledore cant achieve anything against Voldemort.
@The Bengalee Sceptic Dumbledore didnt kill Voldemort because he knew Voldemort had made horcruxs so it would have made no sense to kill him. What he wanted was Voldemort to get exposed to the ministry and the wizarding world to realize Voldemort had indeed come back
I love how no one even remembers that Bellatrix Lastrange, the 5th most powerful character, was present during Dumbledore's and Voldemort's duel. And Dumbledore defeated her with one spell like she was a kid at the grown-up's table. Not to even mention that Dumbledore was protecting Harry Potter during the duel.
1 dumbledore
2 Riddle
3 snape
4 mcgonagall??? Or dolohov
5 bellatrix .....I’m assuming this is ur list correct me if I’m wrong?
@@joshybrucee Dolohov isn't even in the top 10
The list would go like that:
1 - Dumbledore
2 - Voldemort
3 - Grindelwald
4 - Snape
5 - Mcgonnagall
6 - Bellatrix
Assa Darlingtoni dolohov is definitely in the top 10 just because his not on screen doesn’t mean his not powerful he just is unrecognised he is commonly known to be just below dumbledore snape Grindelwald and voldy.... on the level of mcgonagall
@@joshybrucee bro no, the only impressive feat he has is duelling with Moody, he got beaten by Hermione in cafe, not just in the movies but in the books as well
Assa Darlingtoni he has created his own spells which is incredibly hard and impressive power is not just dueling it’s ur capabilities in the world if u research his origins he is a quite unique powerful character...it’s ur opinion I guess if u don’t think his powerful that’s ur opinion....I have my own
Dumbledore is more powerful and had a greater all-around knowledge. There is a good reason why Voldemort feared him.
i believe dumbledore had more knowledge and tricks then voldmort, but voldmort was more powerfull, if they were the same power or if dumbledore was more powerfull the elder wand would be too much strong for voldmort´s avada kedavra.. overall i think that they are evenly matched but without the elder wand dumbledore would have had more problems in a 1 vs 1 avada kedavra vs expeliarmus..
I agree.
Emanuel Pinto it’s funny that we think Dumbledore used expeliarmus...
@@ivobranicky6723 the colour of the spell its the same of the expeliarmus.. and its a common spell to use in that situation.. what spell was it then?
Dumbledore is definitely powerful enough to rival the Dark lord when weilding the Elderwand
But power is not why Lord Voldemort is wary of Dumbledore
Its because of his cunning, his ability to see through his bullshit and his potential to discover the Dark lord's most dreaded secret, Horcruxes
In raw power, Lord Voldemort is the Greatest
Dumbledore was the most powerful wizard, he just didn’t use evil spells such as banned curses. There’s a reason Voldemort feared him.
Have you even read "The only one he ever feared" in The order of the Phoenix? Dumbledore owned Voldemort.
TRUE !
Lord Voldemort and not to mention during the duel HE WAS protecting harry. While VOLDEMORT was shooting out the killing curse every 2 seconds. One thing that annoys me the most is people think just because dumbledore had the elder wand he actually used it power. Well thats completely wrong dumbledore had it with him so one can just take the wand and use it for the wrong purpose. He guarded the elder wand. Also no one not even Voldemort knew dumbledore had the elder wand AND THATS BECAUSE HE NEVER USED ITS POWERS. A man who could beat Grindelwald who possessed the elder wand could beat anyone. Not to mention dumbledore talks to voldemort like hes a little kid calling him tom. In that duel voldemort was throwing out everything at dumbledore. Who simply seemed to be relaxed and defending himself. The order itself feared Dumbledore. IF TOM was so powerful as many think. Dumbledore isnt very hard to find. Why didnt tom kill the wizard that he thought was a threat to his power. it sure woulda seemed simple if voldemort was more powerful then dumbledore. Well thats because he wasnt. Another thing this man literally had to convince some snape to kill him lmao. While voldemort was trying to survive. Dumbledore was able to surpass tom with basic spells while tom used forbidden spells and still couldnt beat dumbledore. Who was protecting harry.
@@slurp3194 the main reason for this is the movies. In the movies they show Voldemort winning. The number of people who have just watched the movies heavily outnumber the book readers. And even more heavily outnumber serious book readers who remember minute details. During the who duel Harry constantly describes Dumbledore as He had no fear, like taking a stroll in the park, like discussing things over drinks, etc.
@@slurp3194 mahi zen Your theory about Dumbledore not using the power of Elderwand is absolute bullshit
Nobody knew Albus had the Elderwand
How does that imply he never used its power
And he can't even not use its power
Every time he casts a spell, its already boosted
Dumbledore called Voldemort tom because he called him tom since his childhood
He wasn't protecting Harry or shit
Voldemort didnt even touch harry once Albus arrived
Funny how Dumbledore *Absolutely destroyed* Voldemort without beating him, capturing him or so much as scratching him at all
So how about you stop lying
On the other hand
Lord Voldemort almost Killed an Elderwand welding Albus Dumbledore in about 2 minutes into their duel if not for Fawkes despite being in a hurry to leave before the Entire Auror office arrived
It is obvious that you love Dumbledore but tell your bullshit excuses elsewhere pal
@@lordvoldemort917 Dumbledore is unafraid of death
If i am unafraid of death
I will walk towards Godzilla like a walk in the park
Doesn't mean i can do shit to it
Same with Dumbledore
I would definetly bet on Dumbledore; in his prime years
In his prime years? He was even more powerful and far more experienced when he was duelling Voldemort, than when he duelled Grindelwald. Dumbledore would have killed Voldemort if he intended to. Not technically killed, he would have destroyed his body because he can't be killed because of horcruxes. Which is why Dumbledore did not intend to kill him because he knew he would not be around when and if Voldemort returned again. Dumbledore did not want to take the risk. Even Voldemort knew that and he told Dumbledore, "you are not trying to kill me Dumbledore"
Voldemort was all about raw power and dark magic. Dumbledore on the other hand was a legend, a genius, someone who researched magic, who literally played with his magic like a baby plays with his toys. That's how natural Dumbledore was. He knew Dark magic too but he never used them for obvious reasons.
A reference from the first book, Dumbledore told McGonagall, "You flatter me Minerva. Voldemort had powers I will never have."
Professor McGonagall said, "because you are too-well-noble to use them".
There is a reason why Dumbledore was the only person Voldemort feared and never dared to duel him (unless he had no choice, at the ministry). Because he knew who Dumbledore was
@@centaur8518 understood; great information. 👍
@@thedoruk6324 no problem bro. It's possible that you already knew most of (or all of) what I said. But I thought I should add a comment to your post in case you did not.
Just to add to my last comment, If I understand it correctly, Dumbledore did not use dark magic because he wanted to set an example for everyone that they did not need to resort to learning/using dark magic for anything.
Dumbledore had mastered his magic indeed. He never referred to Voldemort as dark lord, 'you know who', or 'who can not be killed', like others used to. He always called him Voldemort. Heck! At the ministry when he showed up to save Harry, he even called Voldemort *Tom* straight in his face! Despite knowing that Voldemort absolutely hated being called Tom because he always despised what his muggle father named him. Dumbledore called him *Tom* straight in his face.
If you read the books, when both duelled, Dumbledore was so calm and countered each of voldemort's spell with a mere flick of his wand. He was very calm and did not have any trouble at all when duelling voldemort. Movie showed it differently just to make it look more flashy. But you know books are he canon. Movies are not the canon
@@centaur8518 Nice conclusion. Indeed the movies've shown the demeneor of Dumbledore a bit differentiated
Does the prime years thing even exist in the wizarding world the way it does in sports or mental fitness?
"Whether you are good or evil has nothing to do with your apparant power"
Voldemort (who was defeated by the power of love): Am i a joke to you?
Inherent**
Dumbledore was comfortably stronger than Voldermort, he wasn't even trying to defeat Voldermort and was still more than a match
Lol, not even close considering Voldy almost finished Albus in about 2 minutes in the Ministry Despite Dumbledore having the Elderwand if not for Fawkes
Voldemort is Vastly Superior to Albus and always has been
That's how it is in the books
Movie Dumbledore was a bit stronger
To make the fight interesting
Kodukula Anirudh bro not even close in the movie he was not beating Albus Albus was beating him. Plus even in the book it pretty much showed he wasn’t even trying to kill him because he can’t die
@@managainsthumanity1742 why do people keep bringing up the movie
Fawkes is not in the movie fight
I don't care about any movies
And no, Horcruxes may prevent Voldemort from dying ,but not from being defeated, being captured
Once captured, Force extracting the locations of horcruxes is easy, then so is killing Voldy
The only reason Albus didn't do that is because he couldn't do it
It wasn't to " Save" harry, it wasn't old age
Voldy didn't even touch harry once Albus arrived
Wizards don't get weaker with age
Albus was described as having the strength and agility of a much younger man several times in the book's
All are just excuses
Even with the Elderwand, Voldy almost finished Albus in a couple of minutes, if not for Fawkes, in the Ministry
That's like a most wanted terrorist kicking the butt of the head of secret service in the white house, armed with nothing but a pistol,. The secret service guy only surviving because his dog took a shot for him
Dumbledore easily outmatch Voldy. Well, maybe not easily, but.. He is the better wizard. He was blocked anything Voldy through at him, he just strolled towards Voldemort basically mocking him and making him nervous.. Fawkes you say? Well, Fawkes is Dumbledore ace up his sleeve. They are a team. Something tells me the same thing has happened before.
1) Dumbledore defeated wielder of elderwand ie grindelwald
2) If Dumbledore killed Voldermort, how is final and unintended horcrux, residing within Harry, was going to be be eliminated. It could be eliminated without killing Harry if Voldermort do it.
Dumbledore is tapping into multiple sources, which when combined has greater potential.
If Dumbledore truly intent on defeating Voldemort, without regards to whom he once was.
I'd wager he would win. At a cost.
Lol 😂
Dumbledore didn't go for voldemort because its not his prophecy to defeat the dark lord. All know the prophecy that a boy with scar ll defeat the dark lord. So he played the side role. If it wasn't for the prophecy he would have gone other extend.
@@whiteskydream so he didn't do shit to Voldemort Even with the Elderwand from 1955 to 1981 because he could see into the future and knew the prophecy in advance ?
This
"Dumbledore could have defeated but choose not to " garbage is getting ridiculous
@@Phoenix-King-ozai Especially when you consider that Dumbledore had no problem in going for a straight duel with Grindelwald, besides the later possessing the Elder Wand.
But Dumbledore avoids facing Voldemort directly despite having the Elder Wand himself and knowing that if he defeats Voldemort then he ends the war that lasted for almost 50 years....
Fact is Voldemort accomplished feats that put Grindlewald to shame and Dumbledore knows that, he claims that Voldemort pushed the boundaries of magic on ways he thought impossible.
Grindlewald was searching for the Resurrection Stone to create an army of inferi, Voldemort had no trouble doing that without it.
@@Phoenix-King-ozai Bruh do you know that so called the greatest darl lord voldemort so powerful but never once tried to come with army to fight Dumbledore and kill the boy. What he was waiting for. If u not following the story line let me tell you voldemort fear Dumbledore. And if you don't know Dumbledore plan lots of things how to defeat voldemort and what he didn't was his own greed the greed to own deathly hallows which later kill him. And ok you dont take the bullshit that he could not because of prophecy. Bruh this whole story is start with the prophecy. And Harry Potter not even a greatest wizard he sure is good but not the best he is only famous coz of the incident. Defeat voldemort are you getting the prophecy or you want more explanation
I feel like Dumbledore was far, far smarter, which gave him an edge in fights, as well as the long run. Ultimately it was his plan that led to Voldemorts downfall.
Dumbledore is not significantly smarter than Voldemort, the plot needed Voldemort to lose so it appears he is ‘less’ intelligent despite being a prodigy and breaking the boundries for years.
Dumbledore is definitely more brainy and especially more cunning
But Voldemort is for sure more powerful
However, Voldemort wasn't "intellectually" inferior
He was emotionally inferior
Rowling definitely drank the EQ kool aid
Phoenix King dumbledore shits on him lol, voldemort’s most powerful feat of magic was expulso
@@Phoenix-King-ozai Voldy is both intellectually and magically inferior to Dumbledore, hence why the book explicitly states that Tom feared Dumbledore. Are you upset that the author of the book herself has demonstrated that voldy is less powerful?
@@Phoenix-King-ozai You lose all credentials and respect when you attack the actual author herself. The characters are what ever she want them to be.
Do I even need to remind you that 1) dark arts doesn't make you stronger. Reflexes and spell knowledge do.
2) Dumbledore was over 110 years old when facing Voldemort ? This man was a century old, still teaching Tom who's boss. Truth is that if you believe one second that Tom's stronger than him just explain this
3) Voldemort never attacked Hogwarts in an open fight before Dumbledore's death. And don't tell me he'd be outnumbered we can just see how stuff happens in the last book. Soooo he's just scared by one man who's boss.
4) Dumbledore has far greater knowledge in magic than Tom actually. Of course there is this discussion with Minerva at the beginning but there are some others too where he tells Harry that he does know about dark magic but doesn't use it by choice, though, knowing how magic works is what makes you stronger hence as you mentioned in another video, he casually blocked Avada Kedavra multiple times when facing Tom at the minister.
The one thing you could answer is elder wand, however, the wand chooses his sorcerer so Dumbledore would get a really strong one on par with Tom's and considering all the knowledge Dumbledore has (he has the most knowledge in the Harry potter universe in terms of spells) and the reaction time for an old man (actually capable of disarming two aurors, ombrage and the minister himself in a blink of an eye before they could react when over 110 years old just says it all. Oh and, you could add on top of that that actually he's not only knowledgeable, he's the smartest out there too. So pretty much over Tom on basically all points. Dumbledore wasn't breaking a sweat whenever he faced Tom, but you can't say that for Tom.
So, I still wish to understand, if anyone would explain to me if I'm wrong, where am I ?
you have to consider that Doubeldore did not fear death. Voldemort feared death. Voldemort has everything to loose in an dual. Dumbledore has lite to loose
What the fuck is an ombrage? Are you serious dude?
@@wallywest9257 Agreed, and Voldy did win
Dumbledore barely survived the duel
@@Phoenix-King-ozai Didn't seem like Dumbledore was trying to win, but it did look like Tom was trying really hard & still didn't come out in top
@@TheStellarmanCo. well to me it seemed like Lord Voldemort almost Killed an Elderwand welding Albus Dumbledore in about 2 minutes into their duel if not for Fawkes DESPITE being in a hurry to leave before the ENTIRE Auror office arrived
If you think Albus was not even trying, you obviously didn't read the books
Dumbledore has been trying to kill Voldemort for 4 decades to failure
Even with the Elderwand
If he had a shot at capturing Voldemort, he wouldn't miss it for the world
"The Only One He Ever Feared" answered this question a long time ago. The only people who question this are movie fans who saw a misrepresentation or Dumbledore haters.
Yes it did
Anyone who read the books knows
Or should know that Lord Voldemort almost Killed an Elderwand welding Albus Dumbledore in about 2 minutes into their duel if not for Fawkes despite being in a hurry to leave before the Entire Auror office arrived
Funny how Voldemort was not at all scared in the chapter
He was almost cocky
@@Phoenix-King-ozai Everyone in the books should remember as well that an Avada Kedavra cannot be blocked by any shield charm and that it requires a physical defense. It is also suggested Fawkes and Dumbledore had some mental connection, meaning Dumbledore knew Fawkes would block the curse. Voldemort attempted to possess Harry as he couldn't beat Dumbledore outright. It is also stated Voldemort struggled to escape the water bubble dumbledore created.
@@stever8961 I know AK can't be blocked by spells
So does Dumbledore, as does Voldemort
That's why Dumbledore used the statues and stuff and Voldy conjured a silver shield to block it but Albus never used it as he needed to capture Voldemort because of horcruxes
Why are you telling me this ?
I don't care that Dumbledore had Fawkes under his control
Fawkes as an external party was not related to Dumbledore's power
This is not a debate between an Elderwand welding Albus plus fawkes vs Lord Voldemort
This is a base dumbs vs base voldy debate
Voldemort possesed Harry because Dumbledore used a 3rd party to spoil Voldemort's near perfect set up and because as a terrorist, he cannot wait till the Aurors come
He knew Albus being the weaker wizard was stalling him
Voldemort physically struggled against the water and then using his own power, simply Disapparates which is more than can be said for Albus needing fawkes to survive the curse
Lord Voldemort almost Killed an Elderwand welding Albus Dumbledore in about 2 minutes into their duel if not for Fawkes despite being in a hurry to leave before the Entire Auror office arrived in an extremely Hostile location
@@Phoenix-King-ozai I would disagree. The fact that dumbledore has a connection to Fawkes means Fawkes isn't a external party. Also it is suggested the elder wands true power is rather dark magic. Dumbledore explains in the 7th book that he never utilized the Elder wands true potential. "I was fit to own the Elder Wand, and not to boast of it, and not to kill with it". I think the passage, especially since it was supposedly a gift from death, suggests the wands true power comes through its ability to kill people. In the Grindelwald vs Dumbledore duel, Dumbledore was only a shade more skillful. We also know neither were fighting to kill one another (Grindelwald imprisoned the people he defeated). Then Dumbledore wins the duel. It can't be coincidence that an Elder wand weilding Grindelwald lost a duel in a fight that would have been evenly matched when he didn't have the elder wand. More evidence is the only times we have seen the elder wands strength is in the legend where the elder brother kills a man he had a fight with and the second time is when Voldemort spell rebounded on him. In both cases the Wand kills someone. So in conclusion, Dumbledore never utilized the wands true ability and thus was the better duelist.
Dumbledore gay 😂😂
I think it's actually more heavily slanted in Dumbledore's favor. Sure, the Order of the Phoenix film shows Dumbledore fighting relatively on par with Voldemort, but in the book, it's far more one-sided. Dumbledore was casually blocking or deflecting Voldemort's spells. The only time Voldemort nearly got him was combining apparition and the killing curse only for Fawkes to swoop in and take the blast. All the while, Dumbledore was busy mocking Riddle's inability to accept the concept of a fate worse than death.
Then keep in mind that Dumbledore declared he was ready to take on every one of Fudge's people and win again.
Then consider a throwaway line from the book when he was confronted by Fudge, Umbridge, and two Aurors: "I have absolutely no intention of being sent to Azkaban. I could break out, of course -- but what a waste of time, and frankly, I can think of a whole host of things I would rather be doing.” And then consider the simple fact that he effortlessly broke into the Ministry. Even Harry noted that Dumbledore's presence meant that they were saved and this was before the old man even drew his wand out.
There's hardly anything to suggest that Dumbledore's more powerful than Voldemort as they fought to a stalemate while Dumbledore wielded the Elder wand. Dumbledore even consistently regarded Voldemort as his superior throughout the books.
Conor Stack Dumbledore did acknowledge that in terms of dark arts, Voldemort did possess considerable skill, but he also expressed that Voldemort was also woefully ignorant in other forms of magic.
I don’t hold the Elder Wand to be any indication of Dumbledore’s power, it’s a powerful wand to be sure but consider that Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald who wielded the Elder Wand.
@@wilji1090 Dumbledore's ability to defeat Grindelwald while he wielded the Elder wand shows how powerful he was, just like Voldemort's ability to stalemate Dumbledore even while he wielded the Elder wand shows how powerful he was.
Conor Stack but would power necessarily equate to skill?
@@wilji1090 No, he'd be just as skilled with or without the Elder wand, but he'd be harder to defeat with skill as well as the extra power the Elder wand gives.
Dumbeldore is still stronger even when he wasn't in his prime
Terry J. Exactly.
is having a prime age in HP actually a thing? citations?
Sir Blackbeard Snape says that to Narcissa and Bellatrix, thinking Dumbledore’s injury was the result of poor reflexes, when it wasn’t.
Sir Blackbeard Nicholas Flamel is almost 700 years old. I’d be brittle at that age too.
Dumbledore isn’t waaaay stronger than Voldemort. He is infinitesimally stronger, by a hairsbreadth. Though he is a bashful person and implies that Voldemort is more powerful than himself, we can extrapolate that since Dumbledore describes himself as a shade greater than Grindelwald, and we know that Voldemort is more powerful than Grindelwald, it seems that Voldemort would be half a shade inferior to Dumbledore (if we are to take Dumbledore’s word).
Lol, Voldy almost Killed an Elderwand welding Albus in 2 minutes
Get out of here
Thanks to the movies whenever I hear or read Dumbledore saying anything calmly, I can only imagine Dumbledore yelling it instead like with "HARRY, DID YOU PUT YOUR NAME IN THE GOBLET OF FIRE" Dumbledore asked calmly
Charlie Broom underrated comment!
@@cocowang8568 Thank you
Yeah he said so calmly hahaha
I interpret this duel in essentially the same way as I interpret Yoda vs Sidious. The dark side of the force & the dark side of magic both offer more inherent advantages in dueling, & yet, Dumbledore & Yoda both stalemated the most dangerous "dark" individuals of their times without even touching said darkness. Therefore, it makes sense to me to assume that Dumbledore & Yoda hold more raw power than that of their opponents.
That was a nice comparison brother👌🏻
Definitely Dumbledore...Dumbledore knows and understands Dark Magic, but Voldemort is limited by his lack of understanding of other branches of magic. I remember in Book 5, the OWL examiner saying Dumbledore did things with a wand she'd never seen before. Also, Dumbledore was far more decorated as a student than anyone else that ever attended
The only " Magic" Voldemort doesn't understand is the ever so Corny " Love "
Dumbledore himself declares that Voldemort's knowledge of magic is more Extensive than any wizard alive, considering Albus was alive at the moment, the answer is clear
Tom riddle was quite and rarely drew attention
Which is wise considering his plans for world Domination
It was heavily implied that Albus was kind of a show off and was a teachers pet in his childhood, Not the saint he was later
Dumbledore himself described Tom as Probably The Most Brilliant Student to ever Attend Hogwarts
But i know you'll just dismiss these as Dumbledore being modest, which he really is not in situations like this, but you'll disagree
Its all become so predictable
@@Phoenix-King-ozai have you read any books? In the 5th book duel between him and Voldemort he clearly owned Voldemort by blocking every killing curse he threw at him lol and defeated Bellatrix with 1 spell while protecting harry
@@Phoenix-King-ozai and also single handedly trapped every single one of the other death eaters that were left, by himself. They were all extremely afraid of him which is why as soon as the death eaters saw him, several took off running.
Read the books before forming your opinion. The books are the official cannon of the story, and dumbledore was the most feared wizard in the world especially by the death eaters and Voldemort.
"By which time I shall be gone, and you dead!” spat Voldemort. He
sent another Killing Curse at Dumbledore but missed, instead hitting
the security guards desk, which burst into flame.
Dumbledore flicked his own wand. The force of the spell that em-
anated from it was such that Harry, though shielded by his stone guard, felt his hair stand on end as it passed, and this time Voldemort
was forced to conjure a shining silver shield out of thin air to deflect
it. The spell, whatever it was, caused no visible damage to the shield,
though a deep, gonglike note reverberated from it, an oddly chilling
sound. . . .
“You do not seek to kill me, Dumbledore?” called Voldemort, his
scarlet eyes narrowed over the top of the shield. “Above such brutality,
are you?”
“We both know that there are other ways of destroying a man,
Tom,” Dumbledore said calmly, continuing to walk toward Volde-
mort as though he had not a fear in the world, as though nothing had
happened to interrupt his stroll up the hall. “Merely taking your life
would not satisfy me, I admit -”
“There is nothing worse than death, Dumbledore!” snarled
Voldemort.
“You are quite wrong,” said Dumbledore, still closing in upon
Voldemort and speaking as lightly as though they were discussing the
matter over drinks." Voldemort is clearly afraid, or at the very least, NERVOUS. Dumbledore, however, is not. He must be the only person to stand in front of Voldemort with absolutely no fear. I honestly don't believe Voldemort would have even beaten Grindelwald, who, unlike him, had a vast understanding of all the magic Voldemort deems worthless.
And yet he almost Killed an Elderwand welding Albus Dumbledore in about 2 minutes into their duel if not for Fawkes DESPITE being in a hurry to leave before the ENTIRE Auror office arrived
Just like he promised
Voldemort would crush Gellert Grindelwald faster than he can cry STOP!
Voldemort > Elderwand welding Albus >> Normal Albus > Elderwand welding Gellert >> Normal Gellert >> Everyone else
Therefore, Voldemort >>>>Gellert Grindelwald
Voldmort did kill Gillert Grindelwald !
@@Phoenix-King-ozai no, he wouldn't. Shut up.
@@Shiwam88 no shit bitch. He killed an old man in prison with no way to defend himself.
@@witdajuice6763 He totally would
Anyone with an ounce of common sense would get that
If you disagree, try to prove me wrong with facts
Or else, shut up
Dumbledore defeated the elder wand.. and he was feared by 2 of the most powerful DARK wizards... SO ya DUMBLEDORE IS THE MOST POWERFUL WIZARD.
It can be possible that Voldemort feared Dumbledore only because he thought that Dumbledore was more experienced wizard and had been practicing magic for a long time. But later on when Voldemort gained more power & realised his powers in true sense he then didn't feared Dumbledore anymore.
As we all know Voldemort is and will always be the most dangerous wizard of all time
I don't think Dumbledore was the most powerful wizard, why he didn't just kill Voldemort?
@D E V C U T SDark arts itself is just magic meant to harm, but of course, I thing Dumbledore was better in some branches of magic, like transfiguration, but I think overall Voldemort was more powerful.
@@unapersonav1522 because he knew that Voldemort did something to achieve immortality he just didn’t know what. So there was no point in trying to kill him yet.
@@unapersonav1522 And in my opinion it says a lot about how Dumbledore never used dark magic with Voldemort and even then in my opinion Dumbledore is stronger and more powerful especially in his prime years.
I disagree with how you read the MoM duel between Dumbledore and Voldemort. Voldemort was clearly dueling to kill so we can assume he is at his maximum. But I don't think Dumbledore was for a few reasons, first of all Dumbledore's true strength came from strategy, he was playing the long game which is why he ultimately won. He had no reason to attempt to kill Voldemort because he knew it wasn't possible, he may not have fully understand why and how he'd ultimately win, but from how he speaks in book 6 he had a pretty good idea by this stage and was just putting the final pieces together.
Perhaps most importantly though I think Dumbledore was playing more to out Voldemort and make it harder for him and his followers to operate, he warns Voldemort that the aurors etc are on there way. Voldemort made a mistake by coming to the ministry and Dumbledore was taking advantage of it.
It was clear that Dumbledore was exhibiting a lot of his power but considering the other flashes we get, for example the fire against the inferis. To me it's clear he had much more in the tank and should he of ever been around when Voldemort was killable I reckon we would of seen a whole other type of match up.
On a slightly more depressing note. Though I really like Jude Law's portrayal of Dumbledore so far. I have a bad feeling that FB are going to give us a lot of Dumbledore fan service and that by the time they're finished we'll have a Dumbledore that is so insanely overpowered as to make this conversation no longer so much fun to have.
Another great video, thank you!
Dumbledore knew that he is more powerful than Voldemort yet, he also knew that he could not kill him, so he didn't bother and focused more on saving Potter and he also knew that even he could overwhelm Voldemort the prophecy could not be changed and that Potter would be the one to kill him.
Very well thought out and explained video. After what happened to his sister Dumbledore never trusted himself with power so I think we never saw his full capabilities.
Definietly Dumbledore
J.K.Rowling herself said he's the most powerful wizard
Sourin 2 wrong, dumbledore is best
After the ancient one
Rowling never said shit like that
Its definitely Voldemort
@Sourin 2 You are Absolutely right
@@Phoenix-King-ozai nah, voldie cant even defeated dumbledore in battle of ministry while dumbledore protecting harry and immobilise bellatrix. It's even known dumbledore not even try to defeat voldie (cause he know voldie cannot die) and just waiting for minister to see voldie himself
Like if you came over from star wars theory, looking to support them any way you can, but then actually liked the content in this channel as well.
Your lack of faith disturbs me
When dumbledore was fighting Voldemort he was protecting Harry so I think that if he can protect Harry and fight Voldemort at the same time I would call Dumbledore the greatest
Actually harry was not part of the fight at all in the books
Movies made it more dramatic
@@Phoenix-King-ozai Voldermort was literally trying to kill Harry, what on earth are you even talking about? Did you read the books?
Also, pinning Bellatrix on the floor like a little kid. Bella is one of the most powerful Death Eaters of Voldemort. And when the duel between Albus and Voldemort, Albus was mocking Voldemort in his face calling him Tom and saying he was a fool, and Albus just going forward to Voldemort like he has no fear in the world. And Dumbledore is talking CALMLY to the most feared dark wizard while defending, and almost drowning Voldemort in a water sphere.
Hmm I think you missed the point. Dumbledore himself said that Voldemort had pushed the boundaries of magic far beyond possibility but only of certain types of magic of others he remained woefully ignorant. This magic which voldemort called "love" terrified him because he was ignorant of the power this kind of magic can wield. And this magic was being studied as one of the forces (emotion as I like to call it) in the department of mysteries.
So it is true that Dumbledore did not dwelve into the kind of magic that Voldemort did, but only because he already foresaw it's limitations. So even without the elder wand I don't think voldemort would be able to beat dumbledore.
Dumbledore essentially was more all rounded wizard than voldemort.
So ye Dumbledore with/without elder wand >>Voldemort with /without elder wand
While I do believe Dumbledore was more powerful, Voldy still had his horcruxes which made him unkillable.
Dumbledore’s goal was never to kill him tho. Plus even if Voldemort was mortal Dumbledore wouldn’t have killed him. He even admitted in the book that killing Voldemort wouldn’t satisfy him.
"There's no good or evil ,there is only power and those too weak seek it " 😍 - Lord Voldemort
Its a great quote
Just a minor correction
" There is no good or evil, There is only Power; and those too weak to seek it " 😃
@@Phoenix-King-ozai where😂😂😂
@@popvulture1778 the first book bro 😃
You were pretty close, but being a huge Voldemort fan I knew it by heart
@@Phoenix-King-ozai oh I am a tom riddle fan
@@popvulture1778 Thats so cool
Voldemort is so misunderstood by people
Welcome back nice to have you back !!
The scene in which grinderwald reflects all those spells is simply beautiful, and when he casts that blue fire on the 2nd film is also incredibly ashtonishing, i believe hes a very strong wizard, i cant wait to see more of him in the upcoming films.
Yeah
They did a good job casting Johnny depp
He's a cool character
This was a very thorough breakdown. Although I disagree that Voldemort is more powerful.
The point that seemed to push the narrative that Voldemort is more powerful is that Voldemort was able to go toe-to-toe with Dumbledore when he possessed the Elder Wand. I look to the battle with Dumbledore and Grindlewald to counter. At their supposed heights of power and Grindlewald wielding the Elder Wand, Dumbledore was able to defeat him. Dumbledore himself in the Deathly Hallows states that he was only “a shade more skillful” than Grindlewald. That, in my opinion, shows that the Elder Wand does not give anyone greater ability than they already have. If that were the case, then Grindlewald should have been able to defeat Dumbledore.
So if Voldemort was more powerful he would have been able to defeat Dumbledore, or at least come out appearing that he had an edge. To be fair to Voldemort however, he did not have 3 hours to duel Dumbledore.
Adding onto this, Dumbledore was not actively trying to defeat Dumbledore. Simply buying time till the Ministry officials arrived.
In summary, I feel that Dumbledore is the more powerful of the two. This power comes from both innate skill with magic as well as a greater level of magical knowledge. A lot does come with 115 years of life as well as competing with Gellert Grindlewald.
You could also argue that Grindalwald didn't let himself completely be consumed by dark magic either, and if he did he may be comparable to Voldemort.
Did you even read the books? The fight between Voldemort and Dumbledore inside ministry of magic did not look even close to its film depiction. Dubledore was just casually dodging Voldemorts full rage on attacks while holding Harry back.
Voldemort’s full rage attacks lol? Did you read the book? Voldemort was laughing for half the duel and was spamming Avada Kedavra.
@@SarastistheSerpent which is the deadliest spell in hp books if im not mistaken lulw
@@pavelplsek2000 Also, he would have hit it on Dumbledore without Fawkes.
Did YOU read the book ?
Albus barely survived the fight because of his pet bird Despite having the Elderwand and fighting in a location which is extremely Hostile to Voldemort and Voldy having barely minutes before the ENTIRE Auror office arrived
Just because Albus is not afraid to die doesn't mean he can do shit to Voldemort
He never could, for 4 decades, even with an unbeatable wand, just like he couldn't lift the dada jinx, just like he couldn't cure the gaunt ring curse put by a 7th year Voldemort
Just like he could never Fly, possess people, Enter a window slit like smoke, just like he was not the Greatest leglimens the world has ever seen
Albus barely matched Voldemort with the Elderwand which he had since Voldemort's 7th year, 1945
That enough ?
And he wasn't holding Harry back
That's some grade A bullshit
He bewitched multiple statues before the fight began which pushed Harry away from the fight and incapacitated bella
Voldemort didn't even touch harry once Albus arrived
@@Phoenix-King-ozai "he bewitched the statues"
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1. Dumbledore
2. Voldemort
3. Grindelwald
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Reason for Grindlewald being second. Is that Voldemort feared death. Which made him reckless. GWdisnt fear death and wanted the beat for all. Voldemort wanted genocide for muggles.
How about cridens ?
Mitchell Drake jk Rowling literally stated that Voldemort was the most powerful dark wizard of all time. U can’t argue against her as she is the author of everything. Therefore Voldemort>Grindelwald
Dumbledore said in the order of the Phoenix that he wouldn’t be able to stop Voldemort at the height of his powers
Yeah, there's an awful lot of cherry picking in the fandom instead of looking at all of the facts.
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That is probably because he was aware of the horcruxes and the only way to stop Voldermort once and for all was to have harry to do it after sacrificing himself. On top of this Dumbledore was very modest, even if he thought he could beat Voldermort it wasn't in his nature to brag about it
@@samdurling6053 Horcruxes had nothing to do with it
He was specifically talking about Voldemort penetrating his defenses
Dumbledore was never falsely modest
Sure, he never bragged
He was at his most neutral when he talked about other wizards, especially about Voldemort, whom he wanted to bring down for about 5 decades
But he constantly reminded people, especially when it was necessary of his power and brain
This was of course, usually to put them at ease that he had the situation under control
Heck, Dumbledore doesn't even need to admit it
Voldemort is comfortably stronger than Albus in magic
Just because Albus is smarter, more cunning, un afraid of death and wiser than Voldemort doesn't mean he is a better wizard than Voldemort
Albus Actually looked up to Lord Voldemort as a Yardstick of magical excellence
This is most apparent in the Half blood Prince and deathly hallows
Voldemort really did do things Dumbledore didn't even dream about
However, Albus was strong enough to Almost rival Lord Voldemort
Especially with the Elderwand
Kodukula Anirudh buddy ur so wrong u dont even know. Do u know why voldemort never attacked hogwarts where harry resided its because of dumbledore. Also dumbledore rushed in to the ministry to protect harry and treated voldemort like a little kid.WHO I MIGHT REMIND U WAS SHOOTING OUT KILLING CURSES LIKE IT WAS NOTHING. And dumbledore simply protected harry and himself. And called voldemort fucking tom. Also harry believed dumbledore to me the most powerful wizard rightfully. When dumbledore talks about him not being able to kill voldemort its about the horcruxs then dumbledores raw power. Also dumbledore doesnt even use the elder wand. Which is easily reconizeable but not even Voldemort knew he had it BECAUSE HE NEVER USED IT. He only protected it from people like voldemort. Its clear throughout harry potter universe that dumbledores the greatest wizard ever seen even the ministry themselves feared dumbledore getting out of hand. Also dumbledore never ran from tom. Tom kept evading dumbledore never wanting to face dumbledore in a duel. The presence of dumbledore simply warded of any who might want to attack harry
Voldemort is obviously more powerful because of his bloodline but Dumbledore's intellect and experience allowed him to rival Voldemort and even subdue him
both voldemort and Albus are Half blood so i don't see any difference in Bloodline
as Dumbledore is far more powerful than voldemort if there's no horcruxes than Dumbledore would have killed him
Good video. I think Voldemort and Dumbledore were pretty even in power. Interestingly Dumbledore had avoided Dark Magic while Voldemort wholeheartedly embraced it. Both were Half-bloods. Dumbledore had a Muggle-born mother. His father could have been Half-blood or pureblood. In Rowling's universe the most powerful wizards seem to be Half-blood.
Yay a new video, I've missed them! I agree that Dumbledore is more powerful. Not only because of his exceptional wand work and spells but also for his kind and understanding heart. For someone to be compassionate to others it takes getting through pain/sadness and having empathy. Which is something Voldemort can't do. Fighting for others and not just yourself always gives an upper hand in a fight. Hope you continue putting out these great videos 👏🏼.
"do things with a wand she had never seen before"?
Uhm...
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The books gave us many indications that Dumbledore was weaker than Voldemort, literally saying it in almost every book indirectly in some way. Dumbledore just comes off smarter but still extremely close to Voldemorts power level. Other than everything said in the video I just wanna say this
- Dumbledore won over Grindelwald while Grindelwald had the elder wand ( and it is stated that Dumbledore only just had the edge in the end if I remember correctly )
- Dumbledore and Voldemort were even, Dumbledore would have died in the ministry if it wasn't for Fawks which would mean Voldemort would have won at that moment probably ( Dumbledore had the elder wand )
- Voldemort is stated to be a lot stronger than Grindelwald and since Dumbledore and Grindelwald are stated to be pretty much even and Voldemort stated to be stronger than Grindelwald, already here we can almost go for "Voldemort being the strongest".
Then it doesn't make sense IMO to take Toms reaction in the chamber of secrets into this as if I remember correctly, he is the young version with the skills he had at the time he made the book a Horcrux and from that point, to like 1998 I would say he's gotten a lot stronger so the reaction at that time is natural for him xD. ofc that version or at that time, Tom was not stronger than Dumbledore.
But Voldemorts the strongest and Dumbledore the smartest.
I think it's a silly argument that Voldemort being afraid of Dumbledore is a bad way of saying that Dumbledore is stronger. Voldemort wasn't just powerful but intelligent, he wouldn't risk finding out who was stronger between the 2 of them in open combat. That's why he ultimately used subterfuge to kill him. And even if Voldemort was stronger than Dumbledore, it wasn't by all that much to make a victory for Voldemort completely onesided in his favor. Combine their relative power levels with the fact that Dumbledore was much more experienced abd knowledgeable then Morty amd you have a situation where power levels might not be the best indication of who would win, even if Voldemort had the higher one.
I think saying Dumbledore would have died if it wasn't for Fawkes is not true, that's like saying Voldemort would have lost if it wasn't for the shield he spent most of the duel hiding behind. Dumbledore had lots of different ways to defend himself eg he could've just disapparated. The fact that he was just walking straight up to Voldemort without a shield tells me that he had that fight under control and could easily handle anything Voldemort threw at him which he basically did. Voldemort on the other hand had trouble dealing with Dumbledore's spells and needed a shield. And he was actually shown struggling with the bubble of water he got trapped in which ended their fight more or less
Kasper Hansen Kodukula Anirudh buddy ur so wrong u dont even know. Do u know why voldemort never attacked hogwarts where harry resided its because of dumbledore. Also dumbledore rushed in to the ministry to protect harry and treated voldemort like a little kid.WHO I MIGHT REMIND U WAS SHOOTING OUT KILLING CURSES LIKE IT WAS NOTHING. And dumbledore simply protected harry and himself. And called voldemort fucking tom. Also harry believed dumbledore to me the most powerful wizard rightfully. When dumbledore talks about him not being able to kill voldemort its about the horcruxs then dumbledores raw power. Also dumbledore doesnt even use the elder wand. Which is easily reconizeable but not even Voldemort knew he had it BECAUSE HE NEVER USED IT. He only protected it from people like voldemort. Its clear throughout harry potter universe that dumbledores the greatest wizard ever seen even the ministry themselves feared dumbledore getting out of hand. Also dumbledore never ran from tom. Tom kept evading dumbledore never wanting to face dumbledore in a duel. The presence of dumbledore simply warded of any who might want to attack harry
Awesome video. I have wondered this for many years and I really enjoyed listening to your perspective and thoughts.
Who think voldemort or dumbuldore is strong.
Lets find it out
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But Don't you think its a tad unfair seeing as comments are far rarer than likes
Ohh and Lord Voldemort, Always
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There's also the fact that during their duel, the book says.l, quite clearly, that while in the midst of the duel with Voldemort, Dumbledore made light conversation, and, Dumbledore, "continuing to walk toward Volde-
mort as though he had not a fear in the world, as though nothing had
happened to interrupt his stroll up the hall."
Sure, Dumbledore was not afraid of dying, which is well known even in the Very First book
It is admirable and all that
But What does that even prove ?
If i am fearless of death, I ll make fine conversation with a Tiger too
Doesn't mean i can actually beat it in a fight
Just like Dumbledore didn't beat Voldemort in any way and almost died
On its own, the statement is useless to guage who is more Powerful and is very misleading considering how the actual duel turned out to be
4:44 notice the eye on voldemort dress
4:54 Not really. In the books, the fight was more one-sided, with Dumbledore slightly wiping the floor with Voldemort, while in the movies they alter it so that it seems more evenly matched because Dumbledore flooring Voldemort would probably be boring to watch.
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Dukbledore and Voldemort have the exact same relationship as Darth Sidious and Yoda
Uh dude Dumbledore was 114 years oldwhen he fought against Voldemort and against Grindelawald he was was 64
So what? Why does that matter?
Well, I guess on that Dumbledore/Voldemort/Grindelwald-level it's more a question of strategy and tactics - and Dumbledore showed his mastership (and profound knowledge of human nature including Voldemort) the whole time, including being in ruthless enough to sacrifice Harry. Voldemort is ruthless and incredibly powerful - but he isn't able to understand the WHOLE human nature, so THIS is Dumbledore's advantage. 😉
Dumbledore was definitely more powerful. xD
Most of the theories I watch I’m all, “Hell no”. But this one actually stands on a solid foundation.
Do vids on Gellert Grindlewald
Oh god no. There is already so much misinformation about Grindelwald, let’s not add to it.
@@SarastistheSerpent lol you dont trust them to do proper research?
King I usually would, but in the case of Grindelwald there is SO much misinformation that it’s become endemic to the topic. You would trust a big channel like whatcutlure to do their research, but apparently they can’t. They literally did a list of most powerful wizards in Harry Potter and put Grindelwald above Voldemort, even though Voldemort is EXPLICITLY stated in the books as more powerful than Grindelwald.
@@SarastistheSerpent and has much better feats to boot
It would be alright if Grindewald fans were like
"Ohh Gellert Grindelwald is so cool and powerful
I don't know about Voldy but Gellert Grindelwald seems more interesting"
That would be cool
But they say meaningless shit like
" I am certain that Gellert Grindelwald is much more powerful than Voldemort and Voldy is only more evil, not powerful "
From all accounts, Voldemort is much much more powerful than Gellert Grindelwald and has done so much more than any wizard, not just grindewald
I would say evenly matched. In terms of applicable power - Voldemort. No scruples or morals.
In terms of potential - Dumbledore.
Probably Dumbledore but Voldemort is more dangerous/destructive
Edit: Voldemort can also fly unaided, if he fully utilizes this in combat he is nigh unbeatable.
John eckleston not really dumbledore can teleport
@@slurp3194 Pretty much every adult wizard and witch in Harry Potter can apparate.
Dumbledore was easily always the more powerful because he gets a head starts. What I mean by that is that he uses things that even a muggle can use before even beginning to use magic. The saying work smarter not harder. He took to the extreme. His ability to predict the where events were leading and what he needed to do to be proactive in making sure he steered the out come to be able to benifet his plan. That was his greatest strength. Now for people who read this and think yeah but we are talking like in a duel. The this still does apply, take the order of the Phoenix fight Voldemort uses the killing curse to try and kill dumbledore. Dumbledore expected this to be an attack he would make and was ready for it. He was able to block the attack. Many of different time did Dumbledore door not only expect somebody to act one way and prepared for. Helping to give the edge. One being his death, another being Harry’s death. Unlike Voldemort who would rise to power and yet still make the same mistake allowing himself becoming rash and power hungry making. As well as putting all his chips on what a seer say will happen instead of creating his on future by living and planning his actions to counter and attack base on what the order did.
ok but dont forget that cave scene... when dumbledore was at his weakest...
The thing I love about Albus is he’s good everywhere, there is not an area where he’s weak. A master of all trades if you will. And his use of apparition during a fight is on another level, his evasive magic is top tier, defensive magic is top tier , offensive magic is top tier, transfiguration magic is second to none, and on top of all this his wit and sharp mind makes him probably the best wizard of his age, with none after him surpassing him, or with any hope of getting close.
Dumbledores best trait that he has over Voldemort is he lacks arrogance, and embraces his nobility, this ensures that he is able to remain in control of himself and the situations he’s in, unlike Voldemort who becomes infuriated in battle, and if not that, is arrogant and cocky, and if you will, can sometimes become a bit delusional about what he’d able to accomplish, dumbledore accepts everything for what it is, whereas Voldemort can only admit to himself what he wishes to perceive as his reality, dumbledore knows how to control his magical prowess down to the smallest fraction, Voldemort does not, looking at purely the movie feats of each dark lord, Grinderwalds magic was far more impressive and versatile and dumbledore bested him, while grinderwald was in possession of the elder wand, a relic that was considered to be crafted by death himself.
To me the answer is clear… also any confrontation between dumbledore and grinderwald see them as sort of equals, whereas in the books, dumbledore professors voldemorts no nose having ass.
4:47 it looks like there's a face in his cloak
Voldemort is far more powerful in dark magic but that is it. Dumbledore bypasses Voldemort with every thing else, these including light magic, all-round knowledge, Mentality, admit his mistakes, then learn from them. Composure, tactics, Accuracy, adaptable etc
The official canon ranking is:
Dumbledore>Lord Voldemort>Grindelwald.
Dumbledore was a tiny bit better than Voldemort, and Grindelwald was inferior to both of them.
Sarasti S where does this ‘official canon ranking’ come from? I do agree with you but where is it out right stated that that’s the correct order
Nissy92 Dumbledore is stated to be the most powerful wizard in modern history and of all time variously (stated in the books, Pottermore and the HP wiki). Lord Voldemort is stated as the most powerful dark wizard of all time (stated in the books, on Pottermore and the HP wiki) as well as the second not powerful wizard in history (stated on the HP wiki), and Grindelwald is stated, in the books and on the HP wiki as the second most dangerous and second most powerful dark wizard in history, after Voldemort.
@@SarastistheSerpent While some people say Roger Federer is the strongest tennis player while many think its actually Novak Djokovic. Noone tells Novak Djokovic because Roger Federer has more overall hype from media and came first but Novak Djokovic is the better player.
Same here. Everyone says Dubledore is stronger but hes not.
@@Dark_Voice I think it's Nadal, lol
@@xdlolik7910 And there are people like you. Its like that in HP where Dumbledore, Voldemort and even Grindelwald have their fans who think they are the strongest. 🙂
More powerful magical forces (destiny) stopped Dumbledore from killing Voldemort. He knew this from the prophecy. Dumbledore's mastery of occulemcy also stopped Voldenort's mind reading, giving him an edge most of Voldemort's opponents don't: the element of surprise.
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Voldemort feared Dumbledore ever since the latter first saw the former out in the orphanage. Dumbledore must've known about TR's possible outcome and wanted to intervene at the time, albeit subtly, but just enough to strike some fear
Everyone is missing the only reason this is a fight is that tom had a horcruxs if he could have been killed it would be over in minutes.
How does that work? You obviously don't have to kill someone to defeat them.
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Prime Dumbledore (without Elderwand)>Prime Voldemort
Prime Dumbledore is Dumbledore with the elder wand.
Ha.
For comparison purposes, think of it like this.
Tom is Vegeta after receiving the Zenkai from being healed (Dende).
Albus is Freeza...luring Vegeta into a false sense of security and then finally letting the poor sap know:
"This isn't even my final form".
Tom Riddle was stronger/more powerful, he could keep pace with Dumbledore, spell for spell even while Dumbledore had the ELDER WAND & more yrs under his belt to study magic. That says soooo much. Imagine Tom vs Dumbledore with out the ELDER WAND & having the same amount of yrs under their belts to study magic. Tom at around 70 yrs old give or take was as strong as an 100+ yrs old man who had the Wand of legend.
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@@user-sg3uq1iv8q he hit the nail on the head even with the elder wand in dumbledors hand voldemort was pushing him tf back, without the elderwand Voldmeort would have crushed him
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While Dumbledore had a much greater knowledge of spells and the functions of magic he had the elder wand the entire time. 1v1 with their original wands Voldemort would win in a duel. However this article makes a good point, if Dumbledore were evil he would be by far the strongest
That goes to show how powerful Dumbledore is, voldy couldn't beat him even with the upper hand.
Dumbledore was stronger than Voldemort and, while we are on the topic, Yoda was also stronger than Darth Sidious.
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But Dumbledor was killed on top of astronomy tower, which could by classified as high ground.
Jewish MegaPower Dumbledore only died to help keep snape undercover. Plus save the life’s of snape and draco. They both would have died due to the unbreakable vow. So basically Dumbledore died for the greater good. He knew what was going to happen and set everything in place for Harry to succeed and fulfill prophecy
Well, logically, Dumbledore's more powerful because although both of them were magical proteges, Dumbledore's the one with more experience. He was older than Voldemort and also treated the reality the way it is (his hard childhood and teenage, I mean) and not just brood over useless things, like a Muggle father.
But, even that being said, Voldemort can be more powerful because Voldemort acquired almost the same power in 71 years as Dumbledore did in almost 120 years
Raw power: Tom Riddle is at the top
Wisdom: Dumbledore is at the top
Dumbledore knew he wouldn't be able to take out Tom Riddle on his own, that's why he elaborated such a plan, in which he had to sacrifice several fellow wizards and even himself to take down Voldie.
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Voldemort is afraid of Dumbledore because he is death himself or represents death. Voldemort’s only/ main fear is death and that’s why he tries to escape death (Dumbledore) by creating horcruxes.
~that’s my own theory, would love to discuss that :)
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Such fools...everyone knows there is one wizard who makes Albus and Tom look like a complete joke when it comes to magical skill:
Gilderoy Lockheart.
I think with dumbledore it's clear during his time spent with grindelwald and his power/intellect. he stood on the precipice of becoming a dark wizard and saw no ultimate reason to pursue it. it's like wanting something so bad. and you finally get it and realising it was never what was going to make you happy. He had the opportunity but his compassion and intelligence showed him a better path
now imagine me in my prime!
Short Answer: Dumbledore.
PS: For those who only watched the movies, Dumbledore was nerfed in the battle against Voldemort in the Department of the Mysteries. I'll put some extracts from the books to support my point.
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Dumbledore not only fought Voldemort, but he was also pinning down Bellatrix Lestrange. Not to mention he was also protecting Harry.
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Voldemort raised his wand and sent another jet of green light at Dumbledore, who turned and was gone in a whirling of his cloak; next second he had reappeared behind Voldemort and waved his wand toward the remnants of the fountain; the other statues sprang to life too. The statue of the witch ran at Bellatrix, who screamed and sent spells streaming uselessly off its chest, before it dived at her, pinning her to the floor.
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Dumbledore never intended to finish Voldemort. He was simply stalling. This next extract will prove who had the upper hand in the battle.
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Dumbledore flicked his own wand. The force of the spell that emanated from it was such that Harry, though shielded by his stone guard, felt his hair stand on end as it passed, and this time Voldemort was forced to conjure a shining silver shield out of thin air to deflect it. The spell, whatever it was, caused no visible damage to the shield, though a deep, gonglike note reverberated from it, an oddly chilling sound. . . .
*“You do not seek to kill me, Dumbledore?” called Voldemort,* his scarlet eyes narrowed over the top of the shield.
*“We both know that there are other ways of destroying a man, Tom,”* Dumbledore said calmly, *continuing to walk toward Voldemort as though he had not a fear in the world, as though nothing had happened to interrupt his stroll up the hall.* “Merely taking your life would not satisfy me, I admit -”
(Dumbledore very likely knew about the Horcruxes at this point. He knew Voldemort could not be fully killed until parts of his soul were destroyed.)
“There is nothing worse than death, Dumbledore!” snarled Voldemort.
“You are quite wrong,” said Dumbledore, still closing in upon Voldemort and speaking as lightly as though they were discussing the matter over drinks. *Harry felt scared to see him walking along, undefended, shieldless.* He wanted to cry out a warning, but his headless guard kept shunting him backward toward the wall, blocking his every attempt to get out from behind it. “Indeed, your failure to understand that there are things much worse than death has always been your greatest weakness -”
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I know most people have only seen the movies, but we simply cannot ignore what happened in the books since they're canon.
Voldemort acknowledged that Dumbledore wasn't trying to kill him, 'cause he noticed that he wasn't using the killing curse, but he didn't have to kill Voldemort to defeat him. Dumbledore could have used the statues he animated to protect Harry and Bellatrix against Voldemort, but he was only using the other statues as shields which Voldemort easily destroyed. Dumbledore and Voldemort were pretty evenly matched even while Dumbledore wielded the Elder wand. Dumbledore also needed Fawkes to save him from Voldemort's killing curse. For all that we know, Voldemort would have killed Dumbledore if Fawkes wasn't there.
@@CulturalMarxist4985 I always saw Fawkes sacrificing itself for Dumbledore as symbolic. Dumbledore could have easily apparated to safety, but Fawkes taking the Killing curse head on showed that Dumbledore had one thing Voldemort didn't, and that was the power of love.
At that time, Dumbledore had probably guessed Voldemort had the Horcruxes, and he certainly knew about the prophecy, so he knew he wasn't the one to finish Voldemort. His goal was for the Ministry to acknowledge his return, in which he was successful.
Dumbledore with the Elder Wand
was unable to win on Vold. Vold is more powerful in term of energy that him imprint in one spell, btw Vold is blind on other things.
Things changed for Albus post Ariana's death. Had Albus and Grindenwald just continued there quest for power in dark magic, Volde would have been no where near these two. However Grindenwald got arrested and Albus changed for good. Volde's sense of security came from the fact that he had multiple parts of his soul secured in objects but as we know Dumbledore and lots of other able wizards and witches had info and even knew how to make horcruxes. Albus also had books in his personal collection at Hogwards as to how to make Horcruxes which Hermoine takes later with her. So however this realization that Albus had as too what happens to one who pursues dark magic beyond a certain level I mean how one looses themselves in anger and hatred is deadly. So Albus wisely never pursued dark magic post Ariana's death. But both he and Gridenwald were more than capable of easily obtaining dark magic beyond what even Volde did.
Well...Dumbledore did in one of the Books Say that Voldemort was better than him as a Student. I agree that they are pretty much on par with Voldemort slightly edging him out in raw power.
Next, I'll say that Dumbledore did have the power of love and Trust...something Voldemort knew nothing about, and it's also stated Love is the strongest magic in the Harry potter Verse. Dumbledore has that over Voldemort, also he has the Elder wand. Then, there is the fact that Dumbledore was like 116 or something when he died, while Voldemort was 70-71 that is a big difference there. Had Voldemort embarrassed love and Didn't see it as a Weakness he would be a lot more powerful then he was.
With everything taken into factor... I pretty much agree with the Voldemort>Dumbledore.
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A Voldemort supporter
I agree 100%
Keep using your common sense even if the World is against you mate
Mostly people talk about power in terms of force - magical strength and skill, physical strength and skill, stronger army / navy / air force / space force etc.. But what about the power that flows from wisdom - knowing what to do, what not to do - and kindness, affection, right choices? The sort of power that draws allies (such as Fawkes swallowing Tom's / Voldemort's spell in the book duel), the wisdom and gentleness that helps Harry come to the point of realising what he must do since he is an unintended horcrux. Power that arises from wisdom and ability to make choices that Tom / Voldemort cannot understand or anticipate.
Voldemort fled from Dumbledore in duel. There is no need for a discussion.
Add the order into the mix and he would have been dead is seconds
@@chronic_spot Not in seconds but battling Dumbledore with help is something you really dont wanna do.
After he almost Killed an Elderwand welding Albus Dumbledore in about 2 minutes into their duel if not for his pet bird which saved his ass in the last possible second ?
And he " Fled" maybe, just maybe because the Aurors came and Voldemort being the most wanted terrorist was fighting Dumbs in the fucking ministry of magic ? comparable to bin laden fighting the secret service in the white house
You expect him to just stay there and handle both an Elderwand welding Albus Dumbledore and the Entire Auror office don't you ?
Funny thing is, Even if he did just that you Dumbledore fans would have found some other bullshit excuse to talk down Voldemort and glorify your old guy, wouldn't you ?
I love how incredibly Biased some Albus fans are
@@Phoenix-King-ozai he lost. Stop being desperate. He had no chance from the beginning against a 0 killing intent dumbledore
@@ivankaramazov7375 Before discussing with me
Why don't you read a goddamn book pal
What business do i have discussing with someone who just watches the new fantastic beasts movies and thinks he now knows about Harry potter
You grindewald fanboys are the desperate ones
He is right. In the 5th book they were pretty even. Both had some advantages. For Dumbledore:
-Dumbledore was weilding the Elder Wand.
-He had Fawkes helping him and taking the Avada Kedavra for him.
For Voldemort:
-Voldy could not be killed, although his body could be destroyed.
-Unlike Dumbledore, Voldy was willing to kill his opponent.
So... The fight was pretty even. They each had moments of difficulty. Dumbledore was calm because that's his nature, but he fought hard. He had to rely on the environment, enchanting statues and using Fawkes, to save himself from death. When you have to use external help it means that you are under pressure. Had he been in an empty room without Fawkes his life might have been in serious danger (although he probably could have found an other way out).
Voldy struggled in the Water Orb and he had to disapparate to break free, but he managed to break free and that's what matters. So at the end of the day, neither of them was able to overpower the other.
What sets them apart form me is not raw power. In raw power they are probably even, and Voldemort might even be a little more powerful. His jinkx on the ring was so powerful that even Dumbledore and Snape were not able to revert it. Not to mention, he inherited the ability to speak Parseltongue and to control the Basilisk, he could read people's mind like no-one else, he could perform unsupported flight, he could possess peoole and bodies. Also, he was more proficient than anyone in the Dark Arts, being able to create Inferi and to create Horcruxes. That is awful, but it speaks volumes about his talent and determination. He was very clever but at the same time he was too arrogant and confident. He was a brilliant strategist, his plan to create and protect the Horcruxes, his attacks on Harry, the way he created his Army, everything was genius. But he didn't foresee Lili's protection nor the Prior Incantatio between twin wands. He then understood his mistakes and he acted accordingly but he didn't understand who the Elder Wand belonged to till the end, because he was fooled by Snape. In his defence, Snape is probably the greatest Occlumens ever, he would have fooled anybody.
Dumbledore on the other hand was proficient in every branch of magic. Being Grinderwald's ex-lover he too dabbled in the Dark Arts. But he chose to pursue light. He was overall more knowledgeable than Voldy because he understood Dark Magic and also Light Magic. He understood the Power of love. He was also more analytical, he could realize Voldy's weaknesses when Voldy himself couldn't. His arsenal of spell was so wide that he didn't have to use the unforgivable curses to keep Voldy at bay.
Overall I'd say:
Raw power and special abilities:
Voldy 10, Dumbledore 9,5
Strategy and understanding of magic:
Dumbledore 10, Voldy 8.5.
Total score: Dumbledore 19.5, Voldy 18.5.
That's right.
Nice job, and logical
Although i have a bigger list of Lord Voldemort's achievements if you want
Some of them will Tilt the equation to Voldemort's favour even more
To the point that even if Dumbledore never had the Elderwand, I can Confidently say Voldemort's got an edge over him in everything except wisdom, Love and long term strategy
@@Phoenix-King-ozai yeah you can tell me any fact concerning Voldemort, if you wanna share it with me
@@icydelight3693 Yo cool buddy
I just pasted it in 2 parts
First is Voldy's achievements
2nd is about his power compared to Dumbledore
Some of the parts are my old replies to stubborn Albus fans
So please excuse the language
Part 1
A Tribute to Lord Voldemort
Why Lord Voldemort, Not Dumbledore was the Greatest wizard of All Times
Respect List :
There are some things that only Lord Voldemort could do....
None of these are inherently evil or due to dark magic....They are due to his mastery of magic
These are his list of achievements...
These are Uniquely his, no other wizard can do these other than Lord Voldemort
(1) He can fly
Till " You - know- who " discovered it unsupported flight was considered a magical impossibility.....
I mean, this guy flew accross Europe and to germany from England in search of gregorovich and to Numengard.....if that's not impressive.....i don't know what is.
Also he can fly atleast as fast as a Firebolt
( Battle of seven potters )
When Asked how Voldemort could fly, Rowling Tweeted that :
" Brooms, like wands were tools to channel Magic, and the Most Gifted of the Wizards can do away with them"
(2) He can posses people who are not even his horcruxes.
( "...of my powers, only possesion remained when i lost my body..." )
- (HP 4, Death eaters chapter)
(3) He placed a curse on the gaunt ring so powerful that a 115 yr old and hugely more experienced dumbledore could'nt prevent from spreading...even with the Elderwand........i.e..
when he was only 17 yrs old
remember that he was raised as an orphan....he had no knowledge on magic at all till he was 11 yrs old....
in just 6 yrs, this is extremely impressive magic
Snape, a master of Dark arts said it was a...
"Curse of Extraordinary power, to contain it in one hand is all we can hope..."
(4) He is the Greatest legilimens ever, beyond doubt.
Nobody even denies it, ever, in the books, seriously
Snape himself says, Voldemort almost always knows when someone is lying
That's high praise, from Snape himself, a master occlumens
( He failed to detect snape's betrayal only because of his lack of understanding of love and snape's motivation, not a limitation of his skill, just a defect in his Worldview )
(5) Can transform into a smoke form and can slip through window slits...
( Hp 7, breaks into Numengaurd prison )
(6) Was so determined to beat death that, he was prepared to live as a ghost for 13 years.
( " I was weaker than the meanest ghost, I remember only forcing myself to exist, second by second...." )
(This point just highlightes his willpower, which is a virtue )
(7) Managed to evade capture for 4 decades...in England
Grindelwald didn't even dare enter England for fear of a normal Dumbledore when he himself possesed the elderwand......
Voldemort evaded capture from an elder wand weilding Albus Dumblefore for
4 decades...from 1956- 1997 .
(8) Created not one, but two horcruxes and commited multiple murders during his school days...right under Albus Dumbledore's nose.
He sure has balls
(9) Achieved a Favourable stalemate with an Elder wand weilding Albus dumbledore in their duel *
" AN ENTIRE SECTION IS RESERVED FOR THE FIGHT ANALYSIS...
SEE BELOW , AFTER COMPLETE ACHIEVEMENTS"
(10) Dumbledore is regarded as an expert in Transfiguration.......but Voldemort was no less brilliant....
He conjured a Silver hand for wormtail that had enough strength to crush wooden twigs to powder....
Even more impressively, he made it into his own traitor disposal system, it killed wormtail the moment he showed mercy to his master's enemies
Voldemort also conjured an exceptionally strong Silver shield out of thin air amidst his battle with Dumbledore
Albus's powerful Elderwand enhanced spell which made Harry's “ hair stand on end “ only managed to make a “deep gong like sound.....”
it was specifically mentioned that the shield was
" ...not even dented... ".
(11) Parseltongue
( Although, Albus can apparently understand it to an extent... impressive)
(12) Jinxing the DADA post which an Elderwand welding Albus Dumbledore couldn't remove for 4 decades
BONUS FEATS :
These feats can be done by Both Voldemort and Dumbledore and maybe also Grindelwald.
(1) Voldemort can cast a disillusionment charm so powerful that he is rendered completely invisible .
So can Albus and Gellert.
(2) Voldemort is the only wizard apart from Dumbledore who can apparate and disapparate silently without making a loud pop sound .
@@icydelight3693 Part 2
Lord Voldemort vs Albus Dumbledore analysis
The Actual Fight myths debunked, and Why Dumbledore DIDN'T WIN
You will hear a lot of Bullshit from biased Albus fans as to how Exactly Albus Won the Fight
(1) Ohh Albus Dominated the fight
(2) Albus knew Voldemort had Horcruxes
(3) Albus was protecting Harry and keeping Bellatrix at bay
(4) He was too old, 116 years is too much
Now the Un-romantic, Cold hard facts :
(1)
Now, the Fight Highlights :
- Dumbledore arrived just in time to save harry, transfigures a bunch of statues
One pushing Harry away from the fight
Another thrusts Bellatrix to the ground and keeps her from moving
- Dumbledore and Voldemort talk a couple of sentences
-- Voldemort apparates in front of the fountain, fires AK, Dumbledore dodges it by apparating himself near the fountain
- Dumbledore fires a powerful spell at Voldemort which Voldemort blocks by conjuring a silver shield, the spell makes a deep sound but couldn't damage the shield
- Voldemort tries an AK again and Dumbledore animates a centaur statue to intercept it which destroys the statue
- Dumbledore tries to trap Voldemort with a fiery Rope, Voldemort tranfigures this into a snake and sends it to Albus while simultaneously Apparating near the fountain again and sends another AK
The snake coils around Albus and is about to sink its fangs, the killing curse is about to hit Albus as well, Albus can't apparate without taking the snake with him and it biting him in the mean time
However, Fawkes comes and swallows the curse and drops on the floor, a baby
Dumbledore uses the time and vanishes the snake
- Dumbledore uses Water from the fountain to suffocate and knockout Voldemort
Voldemort resists, then Disapparates
- Dumbledore is alarmed, Voldemort realising that the Aurors could be here any moment and that Albus has the time advantage decides to possess Harry and tries to trick Albus into attacking Harry
- Harry expells Voldemort with his love, specifically his grief over the death of sirius
- The battle comes to an end once the Aurors arrive, they see Voldemort
Voldemort frees Bellatrix and Disapparates
SUMMARY :
Lord Voldemort almost killed an Elderwand welding Albus Dumbledore in about 2 minutes into their duel if not for Fawkes DESPITE being in a hurry to leave before the ENTIRE Auror office arrived
So much for Dominating the fight
Albus barely survived the fight
(2) Anyone with some sense would know that all the Horcruxes in the world would mean jack shit if Voldemort was actually subdued and captured
Albus can simply force extract the locations of horcruxes if he was so powerful and then destroy them and kill Voldy at his leisure
You don't have to kill someone to win
In a duel, a single stupify is as good as Avada kadevra if it hits you, its over, and Voldemort didn't let a single spell hit him…so where exactly did his supposed Horcrux advantage come into this fight ?
Albus can Defeat Voldemort if he was Powerful like he did to Grindewald and disarm him, transfigure him into a rock and chuck him in the middle of the Pacific
As long as none but Dumbledore knew where the Voldy-rock lies, no one would be able to restore him
Immortality sucks Voldy…
So why no ?
Because he wasn't strong enough, like at all to do that
Like i said, keeping Voldemort till the ministry could see him was all Albus could do, and that's a Great feat, especially when your opponent is Lord Voldemort
(3) The easiest to Debunk
Harry was pushed back and Bellatrix was thrust to the ground before the fight even began by 2 transfigured statues by Dumbledore before the duel even began
They played No part in the fight at all
Voldemort didn't even touch harry once Albus arrived
(4) The Books mention about 3-4 times that Albus had the Strength of a much younger man
Wizards barely get weaker with age
Prof Trofty and Griselda marchbanks were Dumbledore's Newt examiner's and were also Harry's OWL examiner's
They were 130 + and walked, talked, did magic and wrote editorial articles against the Minister for magic
Gellert Grindelwald's Great aunt, Bathilida bagshot was atleast 160 when she died
Albus swam “ dived into the icy cold lake and swam With a perfect breast stroke with the grace and agility of Much Younger man “
And this was an year after he was Cursed and on the day he died, after an Entire year of Getting weakened by the curse…
He sure could flick a wand in the fight when he was fit as a fiddle
The best case scenario for Albus was that he had slower reflxes, There is Zero evidence that he was any stronger in his supposed Prime as compared to the 5th Book
So why did Albus lose ?
Voldemort was Always the most powerful wizard in the books
Albus barely matched him with the Elderwand which he had since 1945, Voldemort's 7th year at Hogwarts
Albus had the Elderwand for 5 decades out of which Voldemort was a threat for atleast 3
Albus couldn't even remove the jinx put on the DADA post by Voldemort in 4 decades, even with the Elderwand
Voldemort around his 7th year, after barely 6 years of magical education cast a curse so strong on the Gaunt ring that even an 115 year experienced Albus Dumbledore and severus snape could only contain it temporarily
And People still Bullshit about How Dumbledore schooled Lord Voldemort
Albus couldn’t do Shit to Voldemort for 4 Fucking Decades even with the Elderwand
He was equal and opposite to Voldemort only With the Elderwand, which he had since Tom’s 7th year
Lord Voldemort is by far the Most Powerful wizard in the series, and it is obvious
He can fly, posses people, enter through a slit in a window, conjure objects in the middle of a battle and so much more…
Pity, no one even gives him his due
SO, IN SUMMARY :
- Voldemort wasn't captured, defeated, killed, incapacitated or so much as scratched by Albus
- Albus had all the time in the world
Albus literally raised Harry as a sacrificial goat for the Greater Good
If He could have Captured Voldemort, putting Harry at risk wasn't a big deal
So saving harry was not a priority if it gave a shot at capturing Voldemort
- Albus had an unbeatable wand, or atleast, a Damn Powerful one
- Voldemort was forced to Fight Albus in the ministry of magic, Comparable to Bin ladden fighting the director of secret service in a vacant room in the white house
Voldemort would have done Vastly better in a more Neutral location
- Voldemort almost Killed Albus if not for a last minute, once only per Battle rescue By Fawkes
If Voldemort put Albus in such a scenario again, A baby Fawkes can't save Albus
- Voldemort left only After the Aurors came
- Albus himself knew he couldn't defeat or capture Voldemort
He said it was foolish to come because the Aurors were on the way
He didn't say
"Got you now, bastard"
Or "Bad luck tom, I am here"
Or "Prepare to be defeated"
What actually happened ?
Voldemort had to flee only and only because the Aurors came, after the fight !
Just like Albus predicted
What did Voldemort say ?
"By which Time I shall be gone, and you shall be dead "
Which is exactly the outcome, if not for Fawkes
Before i watch the video I'll say this.
It was pretty much a stalemate, neither had the advantage over the other in their duel however i feel like Voldemort with a prolonged fight would take the advantage since he's younger and has immensely powerful dark spells.
Prime Dumbledore would win though(I believe Grindlewald would beat Voldemort as well). Take the horcruxes out of the equation and Voldemort would lose either by his own arrogance or by being out witted
Honestly, if Voldemort didn't make his Horcruxes, he would be a lot better. Tom Riddle was a lot more cunning and had a sharper mind. He invented new spells, like flying unassisted. It was his Horcruxes that made him a lot more emotionally unstable. I honestly think if the fight prolonged and Voldemort wasn't getting his way in the fight, he would become frustrated and angry and leave an opening for Dumbledore, who was always calm and collective. Funny enough, Voldemort's obsession of immortality was his downfall to become great lol.
Thank you. Saved me the whole video.
Voldemort > Grindelwald. It's a Harry Potter fact. What makes you say that Dumbledore wasn't in his prime when he fought Voldemort?
@@CulturalMarxist4985 he's an old man and though he is gifted he's only a man, thats why i think Dumbledore would have lost eventually, he's not augmented by dark magic and Voldemort had the edge especially if remember Harry being their made Dumbledore have to defend him to.
Grindlewald fought prime Dumbledore in their legendary duel and while Dumbledore won he didn't do it easily. Grindlewald was in his prime and had the elderwand at the time, he would win.
@@johnslade9751 Well, there isn't really anything to suggest that Dumbledore had become weaker. He was even described to have had the speed and agility of a much younger man, while he was weakened and dying from the dark magic of Voldemort's Horcrux.
With the sudden agility of a much younger man, Dumbledore slid from the boulder, landed in the sea and began to swim with a perfect breaststroke.
-Harry Potter and the Half-blood Prince.
It would only make sense for Dumbledore to have simply been more experienced and magically knowledgeable against Voldemort than he was against Grindelwald. He also had the Elder wand against Voldemort.
The fight at the Ministry was the biggest proof that Dumbledore was way stronger than Voldemort. Sure, he had the Elder Wand, but he was also multi-tasking like crazy in that fight.
As he was holding off Voldemort, he was also protecting Harry from shards of shattered glass, and preventing him from entering the fight, and had transfigured/bewitched one of the statues to go to Fudge's house and bring him to the ministry to prove that Voldemort had returned.
He was able to do all this while trading blow for blow with Voldy, negate dark magic, hold Voldy in a water bubble, etc. All this by an old man who was well past his prime.
Objective Ninja what glass? Lol Great summary!
What makes you say that Dumbledore wasn't in his prime?
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Conor Stack, the constant reminder every book that Dumbledore is getting too old.
@@anobjectiveninja Such as?
Dumbledore is way more powerful. Voldemort was defeated by a dead man.
You mean a chosen one ?
And how exactly does that mean Dumbledore is stronger considering Voldy kicked his butt in the Ministry
@@Phoenix-King-ozai You ignoramus. Do you truly believe by sprouting this nonsense it will become real just like that?
The reality is and we all know Dumbledore dominated Voldy without even trying.
Everyone knows this..
But you. One lone sheep. Educate yourself boy.
@@LosBlancoo I am gonna wait for you to actually read the books to have a real discussion
Ill ignore any other idiotic Comments untill such time
here's a few things to consider regarding the elder wand helping dumbledore... he did win grindelwald with the elder wand while dumbledore said he knew their matched in power but perhaps he had out skilled him slightly... this means that he understand the law of magic perhaps more than anyone else and therefore was able to know how to resist the wand's powers. if you'd ask me dumbledore might be less "powerful" but he's 100% more skilled than the other two...
Again, I think that the main factor is the extra boost that the elder wand gives.
Voldemort looked like he had the upper hand in the books. Dumbledore had to use Fawkes to absorb the killing spell of Voldemort's attack which is saying something.
But Dumbledore was holding back as well as he was, and I quote by Voldemort, "Above such brutality" meaning he wasnt immediately fighting to end the fight as soon as possible. Also at the end of the day, Dumbledore had the elder wand
I think Voldemort Is Stronger.
@@goldenhd9656 i don't speak canon.i speak for the movies only
Dumbledore vs Voldemort and dumbledore had the elder wand and failed to hold him .He was with 13% part of his soul super exhausted and with a wand later that wasn't obeying him.. Dumbledore said him himself the strongest dark WIZARD and also he said if Voldemort return in his full power not even his strongest charm WOULD stop him
@@goldenhd9656 what lul, The books are implying that Voldemort is stronger and pretty much also shown it. XD
@Philip Arvanitidis Not really.
1. Dumbledore said in book one "Voldemort had powers I will never have." Then he also said " I knew that Voldemort’s knowledge of magic is perhaps more extensive than any wizard alive. I knew that even my most complex and powerful protective spells and charms were unlikely to be invincible if he ever returned to full power."
2. I know a lot of people with come up with whatever with this one but idc, because I don't see why it shouldn't make sense. If Dumbledore was stronger, he could have defeated Voldemort when he rose to power, he could have stopped him anytime after Voldemort returned if he was more powerful than him even if the prophecy is there, just saying. People be overrating Dumbledore asf now
3. Going by power scaling, Voldemort wins, Dumbledore is smart and we see that after his death with the overall plan and we know that Dumbledore was a genius at a young age etc but not more powerful.
It is stated that Dumbledore was evenly matched with Grindelwald power-wise and only just had the edge over him ( Ofc Grindelwald had the elder wand )
It is stated that Voldemort is more powerful than Grindelwald throughout the books and he went toe to toe with Dumbledore who had the elder wand at the time and Dumbledore would have lost and died if it wasn't for Fawks coming in with a clutch save meaning that Voldemort did overpower Dumbledore but Fawks came in and then the fight went back to being even again. Imagine if Dumbledore didn't have the elder wand and if Fawks wasn't there to save him, then what? He would definitely have lost and if the fight was gonna keep going, probably would have lost in the long run 2. I don't see how that is not literally saying who the most powerful one is.
@@kasperhansen7854 Dumbledore knew well highly suspected Voldmort had horcruxes somewhere at the time so knew killing him would not kill him but put him back in the state like he was when he first 'died' just further delaying Voldemorts return again. If Dumbledore wanted to kill him I'm sure he could've and if Voldemort didn't have his horcruxes he probally never would've fought Dumbledore. There's a reason Dumbldore was the only person Voldemort ever feared that statement alone should tell you who's more powerful.
Jkr herself said that pre half blood prince when he cursed his hand and drank the potion of despair she said that anyone who went against Dumbledore in a duel would ultimately lose, that's how much of a BAMF Dumbledore was. In Half Blood Prince when going to Slughorn (keep in mind that his hand was already cursed) he said that he would be able to repel any attack that the Death Eaters would attempt on them and he was never one to brag so yes Dumbledore is clearly the most powerful wizard in Harry Potter.
Dumbledore is more powerful
Gandalf is more powerful than voldemort
I think they are even, maybe Dumbledore is slightly stronger but Voldemont has the edge because he is willing to use the dark arts. Which Dumbledore wont do.
He was even with an Elderwand welding Albus Dumbledore plus fawkes
Which means base Voldemort is more powerful
And dark magic is just magic used for malicious purpose
Its not "Extra powerful" or something
Prime Voldemort would beat Prime Dumbledore
Both with elder wants and remove the restriction of the wands ability “cannot be defeated in a duel” or w/e it is, Voldemort was a tad bit more powerful. Dumbledore was probably the more skilled duelist. But we’re not talking about who is the more skilled duelist. We’re talking about who is the more powerful wizard. Like if they had to use a spelled to carry heavy amounts of water over a far distance without dropping it, Voldemort would be able to to travel further and carry more water. That’s how I determine more powerful.
When hairy asked Dumbledore if" he knew then sir, and Dumbledore said "did I know then ? That I was meeting the most powerful wizard in history? Kinda tells you how Dumbledore felt about this argument
I honestly think Grindelwald would make Voldemort look like a child.
Already been stated in canon that voldemort was stronger
chronic spot nope
@@YuhZnuyi yes it was. Its been states voldemort is the strongest dark wizard to ever live. Its literally written in the books. So how is it no?
chronic spot then why didn’t he overpower Albus in there duel
@@YuhZnuyi dark wizard. Learn to read
Dumbledore thought that Riddle splitting his soul into pieces weakened the latter. But the idea that Dumbledore wasn’t spiritually wounded (if not sundered) by having to defeat the man he loved for the greater good is, I think, not picking up some of the subtleties that Rowling was putting down. Dumbledore was also broken, just in a different way.