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Both felt their chances of winning the war were better if they employed other, less direct, tactics. Too much is made of Voldemort’s fear of Dumbledore. Yes, he feared losing to Dumbledore, but it wasn’t this overwhelming, paralyzing fear that many people make it out to be. When the opportunity for a duel presented itself in Book 5, Voldy didn’t flinch. And that was on enemy turf with large reinforcements on the way for his opponent! But for Voldemort to not fear Dumbledore at all? Well, that would be the mark of an idiot. Dumbledore may very well be the most powerful wizard of all time, and even wizards who are the absolute prodigies of their generation like McGonagall or Snape pale in comparison to Dumbledore. Voldemort just couldn’t be sure of victory against someone like that. You see, Dumbledore and Voldemort are the kings on the chessboard of their respective sides. Knock one down, and that one’s side loses. If Voldemort attacks Dumbledore and wins, he’s taken over the Wizarding world in the UK. But if he loses? He’s toast! Dumbledore could potentially capture and imprison him, or Dumbledore might kill him…and remember Voldemort isn’t really sure just yet that his horcruxes work or exactly how they work (even if he had known, being disembodied was pretty terrible for him). In short, it’s a HUGE risk to duel Dumbledore. Instead, Voldemort focused on building up his forces, placing wizards and witches under his control with the imperius curse, and targeted killings against key enemies to weaken the other side. It was actually a pretty effective strategy, and Voldemort may have felt that his chances of winning the war this way were actually far greater than going against Dumbledore in a one-on-one fight. It should also be noted that Dumbledore seemed to feel the exact same way about the issue. He never pushed to duel Voldemort either, and focused on defending Hogwarts and directing the activities of The Order of the Phoenix to counter Voldemort’s gang. We can infer that Dumbledore thought that this was his best chance of winning the war, because that’s what he chose to do. Generally, I’d say that the position of Dumbledore, The Order of the Phoenix, and the Ministry of Magic wasn’t so great during the first war…they were losing a lot of people, and though they certainly inflicted some damage to the other side it didn’t seem as extensive. A final note here is that it’s damn difficult for wizards to meet each other on equal ground to fight a duel. If Voldemort did want to fight a duel with Dumbledore, would he just knock on the door? Dumbledore would have the huge advantage of Hogwart’s defenses to lean against, not to mention quite a few very powerful teachers and an army of students. Likewise it would be very difficult for Dumbledore to catch Voldemort alone or unprotected. He couldn’t just apparate into a Death Eater meeting…he might think he can handle Voldy, but he can’t handle Voldy plus forty Death Eaters! Neither Dumbledore or Voldemort is going to give battle when their opponent has an overwhelming advantage, and it’s hard for wizards to catch either other when that isn’t the case. The duel in the Ministry of Magic was a rare time when they encountered each other and neither had the advantage…although that only lasted a few minutes before the aurors arrived. So, it was a case of neither Dumbledore nor Voldemort wanting to put such high stakes on one fight, but it’s also a case of it being really hard for either of them to force that fight to happen in circumstances that didn’t give the advantage to the other guy. I find it profoundly narratively unsatisfying when folks assume Dumbledore would win a fight with Voldemort hands-down. Not only does the text not support that view, but it makes Dumbledore’s comparatively infrequent amount of taking the field himself a really stupid move. If Dumbledore is assured of victory, he should have pressed that advantage far more than it seems he did.
Probably because they both tried to avoid the other at different points during the war. Early on, Voldemort probably avoided any confrontation with Dumbledore out of concern his efforts might end before they really had a chance to begin. Later in the war, particularly after the first Order of the Phoenix had been decimated, it was probably Professor Dumbledore who was concerned the odds of meeting Voldemort in a singular battle of wands were too precarious to risk a fatal loss. Voldemort’s fear of Professor Dumbledore is more than just a little exaggerated, considering Voldemort didn’t go anywhere once he knew his old Transfiguration Instructor was on hand at the Ministry of Magic in …Order of the Phoenix. I would add that Professor Dumbledore was never as confident as the fandom is that he could ultimately defeat Voldemort. And that statement is not made in an attempt to bash Dumbledore, so let’s avoid those comments, if we could. By the end of the First Wizarding War, Voldemort was running rampant over the magical community and Voldemort’s initial defeat at Godric’s Hollow was a complete surprise to Dumbledore, even if he pieced together how it happened afterwards. Professor Dumbledore also had other concerns than simply finding Voldemort to duke it out. Specifically, Dumbledore had to think about the safety of his Order members and the magical population in general, so it wasn’t as easy as just dropping everything to go seek out Voldemort. We can debate who might have won a duel under circumstances minus Harry Potter, but the reality in the wizarding world is that both wizards saw a nemesis who might overcome the other, and, therefore, they both understood that discretion really is the better part valor. After all, you’re not supposed to go all in on a poker hand unless you know with absolute certainty you’ve got the winning hand. Lesser poker players may try to bluff, but the real professionals play for another hand, and then another after that, until they draw the cards they really want to take you down with. Both Dumbledore and Voldemort probably never found the circumstances exactly to their liking for such a duel, or else the other always knew better than to confront the one who was in better position.
Dumbledore wasn't more powerful than Voldemort. In fact, a very simple "a fortiori" argument proves it: -Dumbledore's inherent power and talent is so big that he could even defeat another extremely talented wizard who was at the same time using the Elder Wand. -So, Dumbledore WITH the Elder Wand makes him even more powerful. -Lord Voldemort tied against him in a duel (in the fifth book), DESPITE the fact that someone as already naturally powerful as Dumbledore was also using the Elder Wand against him. -Ergo, had he not used the Elder Wand, Voldemort would have very likely killed him.
Dumbles did not seek a direct fight with Voldy, because there was no good that could come out of it. Dumbledore couldn't kill Voldemort, because of the Horcruxes and possibly the prophecy too, so trying to kill him was not an option. And imprisoning him was next to impossible, because if Voldy saw himself losing, he'd just flee the scene. And even if he managed to get him in jail, the Death Eaters would get him out Dumbledore would pretty much have to guard him personally, which is just dumb for a lot of reasons. So, there was not best case scenario. And the worst case scenario was that Dumbledore was killed, which not only leaves the world unprotected, but also gives Voldemort the Elder Wand. And this is just regarding a duel. Add the trouble to locate Voldemort, the risk of leaving Hogwarts for too long, and a loooong list of etceteras... and it's just not worth a try.
@@Njuregen seeing how Harry Potter and just about everyone else in the HP universe had jobs, hobbies, work, etc thats a sad excuse especially since Dumbledore was defeated in the end. The result is all that matters.
Some jobs are so taxing, involved, & difficult that it’s beyond the scope of one life-time. It’s obvious that Dumbledore cared about the world { not exclusively the Wizard-ing world, but the whole entire world } even when he’d not be inhabiting it. I’ve heard some commenters say: “it was unethical to allow school-kids to be involved with such a dangerous problem.” Well, the problems those kids faced resurfaced while they were very young and still in school. Voldemort’s followers causing death & destruction with no regard for Muggle safety or past agreements. The wizard economy getting messed up, the werewolf (the bad one), all kinds of things that needed the fastidious attention of Wizards of conscience… Dumbledore wasn’t going to live forever: he knew that. And then who would’ve been skilled & brave enough to combat threats ? Certainly not “the proper authorities.” Training up those kids kinda had to be done
Why didn't Dumbledore go after Voldemort? 1) It would've been difficult to locate Voldemort so while he was searching blindly Voldemort could just go to Hogwarts & hold the students hostage. 2) While Dumbledore suspected Riddle created a Horcrux (or serveal) he wasn't 100% sure without Slughorn's true memory. In the books when the finally see the true memory (and confirmation Riddle created serveal Horcruxes) he then takes action to go after the Locket. 3) Just a bit of guess work on my part, but maybe Dumbledore felt responseable for Tom not growing up the right way. He saw the signs & choose not to act on it (just like with grindelwald). Maybe he felt that he'd just make things worse if he tried to play hero because he's made so many mistakes that lead to misery that he has some form of PTSD. Again not saying its true just some theory crafting.
Both felt their chances of winning the war were better if they employed other, less direct, tactics. Too much is made of Voldemort’s fear of Dumbledore. Yes, he feared losing to Dumbledore, but it wasn’t this overwhelming, paralyzing fear that many people make it out to be. When the opportunity for a duel presented itself in Book 5, Voldy didn’t flinch. And that was on enemy turf with large reinforcements on the way for his opponent! But for Voldemort to not fear Dumbledore at all? Well, that would be the mark of an idiot. Dumbledore may very well be the most powerful wizard of all time, and even wizards who are the absolute prodigies of their generation like McGonagall or Snape pale in comparison to Dumbledore. Voldemort just couldn’t be sure of victory against someone like that. You see, Dumbledore and Voldemort are the kings on the chessboard of their respective sides. Knock one down, and that one’s side loses. If Voldemort attacks Dumbledore and wins, he’s taken over the Wizarding world in the UK. But if he loses? He’s toast! Dumbledore could potentially capture and imprison him, or Dumbledore might kill him…and remember Voldemort isn’t really sure just yet that his horcruxes work or exactly how they work (even if he had known, being disembodied was pretty terrible for him). In short, it’s a HUGE risk to duel Dumbledore. Instead, Voldemort focused on building up his forces, placing wizards and witches under his control with the imperius curse, and targeted killings against key enemies to weaken the other side. It was actually a pretty effective strategy, and Voldemort may have felt that his chances of winning the war this way were actually far greater than going against Dumbledore in a one-on-one fight. It should also be noted that Dumbledore seemed to feel the exact same way about the issue. He never pushed to duel Voldemort either, and focused on defending Hogwarts and directing the activities of The Order of the Phoenix to counter Voldemort’s gang. We can infer that Dumbledore thought that this was his best chance of winning the war, because that’s what he chose to do. Generally, I’d say that the position of Dumbledore, The Order of the Phoenix, and the Ministry of Magic wasn’t so great during the first war…they were losing a lot of people, and though they certainly inflicted some damage to the other side it didn’t seem as extensive. A final note here is that it’s damn difficult for wizards to meet each other on equal ground to fight a duel. If Voldemort did want to fight a duel with Dumbledore, would he just knock on the door? Dumbledore would have the huge advantage of Hogwart’s defenses to lean against, not to mention quite a few very powerful teachers and an army of students. Likewise it would be very difficult for Dumbledore to catch Voldemort alone or unprotected. He couldn’t just apparate into a Death Eater meeting…he might think he can handle Voldy, but he can’t handle Voldy plus forty Death Eaters! Neither Dumbledore or Voldemort is going to give battle when their opponent has an overwhelming advantage, and it’s hard for wizards to catch either other when that isn’t the case. The duel in the Ministry of Magic was a rare time when they encountered each other and neither had the advantage…although that only lasted a few minutes before the aurors arrived. So, it was a case of neither Dumbledore nor Voldemort wanting to put such high stakes on one fight, but it’s also a case of it being really hard for either of them to force that fight to happen in circumstances that didn’t give the advantage to the other guy. I find it profoundly narratively unsatisfying when folks assume Dumbledore would win a fight with Voldemort hands-down. Not only does the text not support that view, but it makes Dumbledore’s comparatively infrequent amount of taking the field himself a really stupid move. If Dumbledore is assured of victory, he should have pressed that advantage far more than it seems he did.
Probably because they both tried to avoid the other at different points during the war. Early on, Voldemort probably avoided any confrontation with Dumbledore out of concern his efforts might end before they really had a chance to begin. Later in the war, particularly after the first Order of the Phoenix had been decimated, it was probably Professor Dumbledore who was concerned the odds of meeting Voldemort in a singular battle of wands were too precarious to risk a fatal loss. Voldemort’s fear of Professor Dumbledore is more than just a little exaggerated, considering Voldemort didn’t go anywhere once he knew his old Transfiguration Instructor was on hand at the Ministry of Magic in …Order of the Phoenix. I would add that Professor Dumbledore was never as confident as the fandom is that he could ultimately defeat Voldemort. And that statement is not made in an attempt to bash Dumbledore, so let’s avoid those comments, if we could. By the end of the First Wizarding War, Voldemort was running rampant over the magical community and Voldemort’s initial defeat at Godric’s Hollow was a complete surprise to Dumbledore, even if he pieced together how it happened afterwards. Professor Dumbledore also had other concerns than simply finding Voldemort to duke it out. Specifically, Dumbledore had to think about the safety of his Order members and the magical population in general, so it wasn’t as easy as just dropping everything to go seek out Voldemort. We can debate who might have won a duel under circumstances minus Harry Potter, but the reality in the wizarding world is that both wizards saw a nemesis who might overcome the other, and, therefore, they both understood that discretion really is the better part valor. After all, you’re not supposed to go all in on a poker hand unless you know with absolute certainty you’ve got the winning hand. Lesser poker players may try to bluff, but the real professionals play for another hand, and then another after that, until they draw the cards they really want to take you down with. Both Dumbledore and Voldemort probably never found the circumstances exactly to their liking for such a duel, or else the other always knew better than to confront the one who was in better position.
Imo it makes sense, Dumbledore knew Voldemort was powerful but he was largely in the dark about just how powerful, so he tried to study him and play the long game rather than risk defeat. I think some people in the comments forget just how powerful Voldemort was. Dumbledore wasn’t scared of him as such but he was very aware that if there was anyone who could potentially defeat him it was Voldemort. Even if Voldemort never reached Dumbledores power - he certainly got close.
Realistically Voldemort had the advantage because he was the one on the attack and the one hiding not to mention basically immortal due to Horcruxes. Dumbledore remained at Hogwarts and was not hiding at all. I mean anybody realizing Dumbledore took a leave from the school would immediately alert Voldemort that he should hide himself. Dumbledore most likely would win in a duel but this is not everything. Solo dumbledore can t beat the 20 guys in the corner ready to kill him if he manages to beat Voldemort enough. As for Aurors and others fighters forget it they either all sucked or there was no emphasis on them. I mean lord of darkness and literally 3 random kids and a few other people are trying to stop him but nobody else. Feels weird man.
I personally think that Riddle was more powerful/skilled than Dumbledore tbh. They pretty much dueled eachother to a stalemate and Voldemort actually would've killed him if Fawkes hadn't swallowed a killing curse to save Dumbles. Knowing that Dumbledore had the elder wand at the time makes it even more likely that Riddle was the more powerful one of the two.
@@SimplymeSVEN18Dumbledore was not even duelling he was just taking time so that ministry should arrive there. Dumbledore had all the answers to voldemort's spells, this shows that he is way stronger than voldemort it just that he never showed his true power. I even think Grindelwald was more powerful than voldemort. Voldemort was just more scary that's it he lost to Harry. Grindelwald lost to the best wizard that is Dumbledore and the fact that Grindelwald had total control over the elder wand while voldemort could not have any control over it and Dumbledore keeping possession of the wand for so long shows that Dumbledore and Grindelwald were powerful than voldemort, he had horcruxes that protected him. Dumbledore and Grindelwald never needed horcruxes since they were so powerful themselves
@@vipulsehgal5923 That would make Dumbledore either an idiot or suicidal. In no way, shape or form would making the ministry realise he's back be worth potentially losing the most powerful wizard on their side over. And make no mistake, if not for Fawkes Dumbles would've died during their duel at the ministry. Especially foolish considering the ministry was pretty much already in Voldemort's pocket anyway and it wouldn't have changed a thing. Voldemort was defeated by an ancient peace of magic not even Dumbledore properly understood. The only reason Voldemort didn't become the master of the Elder Wand is because he didn't kill/defeat its previous owner which through luck/happenstance was Draco. Before Harry disarmed him at Malfoy manor and earned the allegiance of the wand for some reason. Voldemort ended up killing Snape since he figured he was its master due to killing Dumbledore; except he wasn't since Dumbles was disarmed by Draco minutes before that which nobody knew about as there were no witnesses except Harry. Harry himself as a wizard was...forgetable. Everything he achieved was, as Minerva put it, plain dumb luck. His mother's sacrifice, the twin wand cores, great sidekicks and the Elder wand not wanting to harm its actual master are the reasons why Voldemort lost from him. Voldemort also didn't need hocruxes to be powerful either, he just needed them to live forever and cheat death and technically they didn't do anything, because the only time they were used was when an unknown ancient piece of sacrificial magic nobody was aware of bounced his killing curse back at him. Grindelwald is not as powerful as Dumbledore who is not as powerful as Voldemort going off of what we know. Dumbles retained mastery of the wand for as long as he did by sending (ex)students to fight his battles for him. Did he even participate during any fights in the first wizarding war? Fairly sure he didn't or it's highly likely he'd have lost the allegiance of the wand at some point. Also nobody knew he had the Elder Wand so nobody tried to take it from him.
@@SimplymeSVEN18 bro if Voldemort was stronger the elder wand will choose him automatically, anyway harry potter is full with plot holes and this is one of them
Whatever the goal, the mean deserves to be looked at. Studying how the author dealt with a side character too powerful a foe for the archenemy is interesting, and that was quite smartly done.
Another reason that Albus Dumbledore didn’t go looking for Voldemort is that he didn’t want to risk the chance that he could be overmatched and defeated. Doing so would put the mastery of the Elder Wand at risk. Something he was certain the Dark Lord was interested in possessing. Dumbledore knew from experience that the Elder Wand was not unbeatable, nor did it guarantee victory. The possibility of both himself dead and Voldemort in full possession of the Death Stick was not a risk I believe Albus was willing to take.
Wasn’t the elder wand supposed to be unbeatable in a duel? I mean yes it could be stolen or he could have been killed in his sleep but ultimately the elder wand made the user invincible while dueling
Dumbledore could have taken the post of Minister of Magic and then would have had its power and the Order of the Phoenix to take out Voldemort. He had the power and opportunity to rid the world of the dark lord, but chose not to do so. He took out Grindelwald so it’s not like he is willing to save the world. This is out of character for him. It does not make sense to me why he wouldn’t have take the more direct path, even if temporally remove the world of this danger.
@@dquan731it’s not out of character he was afraid of taking the post because of the amount of power he would get from being minister. He chose instead to be headmaster
I think that Voldemort himself was not keen to duel with Dumbledore. He was known to be scared of Dumbledore and never sought a fight with Dumbledore till he was forced into it at the ministry. And during that duel, Dumbledores main goal was to keep Voldemort in the ministry long enough to have ministry officials see him.
People saw Voldemort before that anyway, watch the order of the Phoenix again he is at the train station when everybody is boarding the hogwarts express
I mean... it was not that simple. Voldemort wasn't just your ordinary villain that just wanted to control everything or see the world burn. He was more of a Thanos kind of villain. His theory was solid and it went something like this: "Muggles have been killing us for centuries, burned us on stakes, envied us for our knowledge and in the end, hunted us to the point where we had to go into hiding forever. So much so, that we are now literally a victorian outdated relic. Aditionally, they don't use pitchforks and torches anymore. They pride themselves on their technology and firearms. If they wanted, they could obliterate us with a few bombs. All of this just because we had a gift they did not undrestand. Now... you want to allow the Ministry to teach magic to muggles and let them mix with us? Sure, be my guest. We'll end up being extinct in less than 10 years." And this convinced a lot of people. Had Dumbledore killed him, it would've turned him into a martir. People had to see the horrors of his ideas first hand and understand he was just a nazi-ish xenophobe, hungry for power and he cared for nobody else than for himself. His ideas had to die with him... otherwise, the next Slytherin with racist tendencies would've been just arround the corner.
Dumbledore's age was also called into question as well during the series. While his mind was still clear and quick, his body no doubt had degraded from an extraordinarily long life of well over 100 years. And while being a wizard may have saved him from some of the drawbacks of age, I doubt it blocked all. Being light of foot and having stamina seems to play a part in wizarding battles. While Dumbledore may have to slog through a mountain of Death Eaters to get after The Dark Lord, Voldemort, on the other hand, is fresh out of the grave and ready for the smoke.
The difference in power and skill between him and most of the deatheaters is so enormous it won't matter much I'd say. Bellatrix will obviously offer a lot of resistance but she is not on his level. Voldermort is outmatched as well and it will go pretty much as it did in the book if you ask me. Voldermort and Bellatrix are both not oppose to cutting their losses and taking off, voldermort is a coward.
@@QenaitheCustodianGuard Voldemort conjured the fire snake as a way to distract Dumbledore so he could make a surprise attack. Without Fawkes he would have hit Dumbledore.
After the prophecy I understood why dumbledore chose not to seek out voldy. Before it it might be because he is better off protecting others or that he should not go after Voldemort after the duel or that Voldemort would not be defeated.
Dumbledore did go after Voldemort for years, amassing more knowledge about Riddle than anyone else. He was searching for all of his Horcruxes which would’ve been the only way to beat him. It also meant that, at some point, Albus would have to let Riddle “kill” Harry to remove that last horcrux. Had Dumbledore not been cursed with the ring, he would’ve probably helped Harry destroy the remaining horcruxes before going after Voldy. This is strategic genius at its best, rather than running in all smashy-smashy like a Marvel movie. Lastly, Dumbledore could not have imprisoned Voldemort successfully. Grindelwald had lost all of his followers when he was imprisoned. Do you really think Death Eaters wouldn’t have broken him out, specially with Dementors on their side? Dumbledore had the plan he had, because that was the only plan that would’ve worked permanently.
When Dumbledore showed a short look of triumph, after learning that Voldemort had used Harry's blood to recreate his body, Dumbledore knew then that that horacrux could be destroyed without Harry dying (he was specific to Snape that voldy had to be the one to do it, so he knew what would happen ahead of time)..... it was the one reservation about the whole plan he laid out, since he did not want Harry to die, but Voldemort went and did the one missing element needed to complete the plan. That was the moment Dumbledore knew he had won, he was so far ahead of everyone.
@@brandoncaswell5907 the fact that Voldemort should be the one who killed harry is because in that way he will kill himself inside the Harry's body and not harry... But anyway harry potter is trash and a lot of things don't make sense like most of the things
@@properburgerpizza7805 But in using his mothers blood to remake his body, it kept his mothers protection intact ... without that part, Harry would have died (actually died, not temp), with the part of Voldemorts soul, when he tried to kill him in the forest. Dumbledore directly explained that part, in the Kings cross scene. No book or movie is without all kinds of plot holes .... The harry potter books are actually better than most in this regard, since alot of the problems ended up being actually part of the plot later.
I always thought it was because the prophecy named Harry as the only one with the power to vanquish the dark lord---the only person who stood a chance of defeating Voldemort, and thus Dumbledore knew it was not his own destiny to destroy Voldemort, but instead, Harry's....So he sought instead to protect, teach, guide and ...well...manipulate harry into the path that would best-ensure he had the tools and the will power and selflessness needed to defeat voldemort once and for all...
He was protecting Harry as he had already heard the prophecy & knew the only way to defeat Voldermort. He didn't know why but trusted in it. Later being proven right as he found out about the Horcruxes.
@@nemanjap8768 I haven't read of the first ww in a while but I think the first war involved a lot more people & a lot of death eaters so my assumption is that most teachers would've been restricted to their schools defence so that no students could've been taken and used as bargaining chips, recruited or tortured etc. Voldermort was also still scared of Dumbledore at this time, meaning that Hogwarts remained untouched. Also protocol. The world didn't know how dangerous Voldermort was so it was up to the Aurors & Ministry to handle it. Dumbledore did create the Order to help but having the legend who defeated Grindlewald 1v1 to go for Voldermort would've added to his fame & caused mass panic prematurely.
@@nemanjap8768 politics. We saw how much they restricted movements in book 5 & that was during a calmer time. Dumbledores post as headmaster isn't time dependant like that. 7 years or 20. That was his post & voldermort was a big threat to the students.also voldermorts first act was to try and get a job at hogwarts. Dumbledore knew there was a significant reason for that. Another reason to hold down the fort.
@@Zdahszdahs apparently Voldemort got nicked for crimes against underage wizards which stayed on his record hence why when his CRB check came back from the ministry he wasn’t allowed to work at hogwarts or be within kids
For all of Voldemort’s megalomania, he went about his business incredibly well for a supervillain. He did not engage in fruitless and dangerous endeavours, like going after Dumbledore for example. His patience is remarkable, even by fictional standards. It is actually why Voldemort is so dangerous. His patience.
Dumbledore was never alone. He had competent people who worked with him. He could have done a lot more before Voldemort ever returned from his first death but he didn't. One of Dumbledore's greatest problems is he always kept his suspicions and ideas to himself. He never tried to get help from his friends and allies. All the deaths of the Second War need not happen. His own issues were not needing to hunt Voldemort down but putting a stop to how he became immortal.
@@joelhinchliffe4119 And that's the problem. He took on too much himself. And others followed him but never pushed him when needed. They had faith in him, but they never realized despite the power and skill Dumbledore was just a man. One who needed help himself.
Yes, every Harry Potter fan has probably wondered this at some point. But in the end we all learned it was not something one man, even Albus Dumbledore could do alone.
It wouldn't, Voldemort can't die so he wouldn't be able to kill him. Remember Voldemort was only defeated and disembodied because of a powerful ancient magic he wasn't prepared for. Had it not destroyed his body, he would have survived and continued on. Being his near equal, Dumbledore wouldn't of been able to do the same thing to Voldemort as the loving protection spell did.
Not without knowing how much Horcruxes had to be found (As told that's only known after the memory from Slughorn was taken.) From that point they (Albus AND HArry went hubnting for those....soon ending in the defeat of Albus in the tower. And of coarse Albus had already destroyed the ring....Harry ( very early) the little diary. So for sure 2 horcruxes were down. 5 to go (plus the piece of soul latched to Harry as last horcrux) And ONLY Lord Voldemort could destroy that piece of soul connected to Harry without killing the boy.
No we probably would have gotten a more adult story about an actual Hearo going after Voldemort rather than a child that was groomed to do so. Maybe as kids the latter is a more romanticised stories to read. But as an adult, I prefer the former.
Probably because they both tried to avoid the other at different points during the war. Early on, Voldemort probably avoided any confrontation with Dumbledore out of concern his efforts might end before they really had a chance to begin. Later in the war, particularly after the first Order of the Phoenix had been decimated, it was probably Professor Dumbledore who was concerned the odds of meeting Voldemort in a singular battle of wands were too precarious to risk a fatal loss. Voldemort’s fear of Professor Dumbledore is more than just a little exaggerated, considering Voldemort didn’t go anywhere once he knew his old Transfiguration Instructor was on hand at the Ministry of Magic in …Order of the Phoenix. I would add that Professor Dumbledore was never as confident as the fandom is that he could ultimately defeat Voldemort. And that statement is not made in an attempt to bash Dumbledore, so let’s avoid those comments, if we could. By the end of the First Wizarding War, Voldemort was running rampant over the magical community and Voldemort’s initial defeat at Godric’s Hollow was a complete surprise to Dumbledore, even if he pieced together how it happened afterwards. Professor Dumbledore also had other concerns than simply finding Voldemort to duke it out. Specifically, Dumbledore had to think about the safety of his Order members and the magical population in general, so it wasn’t as easy as just dropping everything to go seek out Voldemort. We can debate who might have won a duel under circumstances minus Harry Potter, but the reality in the wizarding world is that both wizards saw a nemesis who might overcome the other, and, therefore, they both understood that discretion really is the better part valor. After all, you’re not supposed to go all in on a poker hand unless you know with absolute certainty you’ve got the winning hand. Lesser poker players may try to bluff, but the real professionals play for another hand, and then another after that, until they draw the cards they really want to take you down with. Both Dumbledore and Voldemort probably never found the circumstances exactly to their liking for such a duel, or else the other always knew better than to confront the one who was in better position.
1:50 it was said of Dumbledore and Grindelwald that they pushed each other constantly to new heights, each drawing out from the other only the finest and best of their power (paraphrased)
Because they are both the leaders of their respective factions, and they both stand to lose everything if a fight goes the wrong way. For Voldemort, he risks losing everything he cares about: himself and his powers, even if it's only temporary. Not to mention that Voldemort straight up tells us that his experience when he failed to kill Harry as a baby was pure agony, followed by 13 years of semi-existence as something like a ghost plus a little more. So even if he believes that he would survive falling again, it would still be a tremendously painful experience. Not to mention the fact that if he were to fall again, them that would likely do a lot of damage to both his reputation and influence over others. If someone dies and then comes back, that's pretty scary, but if that same guy manages to get himself "killed" a second time, then it just makes him look like he's so prone to getting his ass kicked over and over again that the universe keeps sending him back to get the floor mopped with his face. Though I think that the primary concern for him is just avoiding his own personal suffering. He thinks he's an immortal godlike figure, so even if every one of his supporters were killed or left him, that wouldn't represent anything more than a few years' worth of setbacks in his plans for eternity. If _Dumbledore_ were defeated at a time that was not planned for, then the effects would be much worse. Even when Dumbledore arranged his own death, we see that the consequences are swift and catastrophic. The ministry falls, members of the order have to go into hiding, many hundreds or thousands of muggles, muggle-borns, and "blood traitors" are hunted down and slaughtered for fun. And even for the pure-bloods, unless they are full-blown supporters of him, their lives become pretty miserable, too. We see opportunists like Umbridge take advantage of the situation to seek personal power and terrorize regular people for the sake of enforcing their will. Draconian policies arise that suck the fun and life out of everything, creating a society that is based on fear and paranoia. Ultimately, it leads to a world where anyone who is against this new order is forced into such a level of hiding and that coordinating any sort of meaningful opposition becomes all but impossible. The reason that North Koreans don't overthrow their government isn't because everyone up there likes their way of life, it's because the government literally makes it impossible for everyday people to meet up and even _hint_ that they might be a little annoyed with the way things are without risking that not only _they_ might wind up tortured, starved, and worked to death in a concentration camp, but also that their entire extended family, close friends, neighbors, and unborn children might also wind up meeting the same fate. What we see in book 7 hasn't _quite_ gotten to that level, _yet,_ but it's very clear that this is the level of oppression that Voldemort's reign is _rapidly_ racing to achieve. The Battle of Hogwarts was _truly_ the desperate last stand for the opposition. Everyone knew that they likely would never, ever have another chance to make a stand, and that if they failed then the door would close _forever_ on taking out Voldemort. _THIS_ is why Dumbledore knew that seeking out Voldemort on his own was so reckless that he couldn't even consider it. Harry would _eventually_ be the one to kill Voldemort, but the prophecy says nothing about the role he himself would play in it, and at the time he knew that he was the linchpin holding everything together. He accepts his fate and plans for a victory scenario after his own death, but only when his own death becomes inevitable. Until his hand got cursed, I assume that he was going to continue taking on as much of the responsibility of defeating Voldemort as possible. He may have even been planning to fight side-by-side with Harry, or to even just fight Voldemort himself and then have Harry deliver the final, killing blow. Who knows what he was planning before he was given a time limit? What I do know is that he likely would have tried to buy Harry as much time as he could and set up every possible advantage he could to prepare for Harry's inevitable fight with Voldemort, and these plans almost certainly revolved around him being alive for as long as possible to make these things happen. The fact that he showed up at the ministry to save Harry is a testament to the level of immediate danger that he knew he was in. He _knew_ that the only person more important to the cause than himself was in immediate, mortal peril. He knew that Harry _would become_ more important to defeating Voldemort than himself, but he also knew that Harry was not ready. With Harry Potter's death, the thread of prophecy would be severed, and he would be unable to restore a saved game to restore the weave of fate, and the thought of persisting in the doomed world that Harry's death would create was enough to make him risk absolutely everything he had spent decades fighting for ( :3 )
He didn't hunt him because the last dark wizard he fought he didn't know who killed his sister. Different tactics different powers . There were only 20 odd years between fight Grindelwald and Voldemorts rise to power.twenty years where Dumbledore had the elder wand and learned a lot . It was shortly after beating Grindelwald he met young tom riddle . He'd already met and beat a dark wizard . This time chose different tactics
Also, had Voldemort defeated Dumbledore he would have been the true master of the elder wand. So not only would Dumbledore not be there to give Voldemort pause but Voldemort would have been the true master of the most powerful wand in the world. That is a truly frightening thought.
Dumbl wanted everyone else to do the hard work/ make whatever sacrifices necessary. He only got hurt because his greed & pride to use the resurrection stone beat out any wise decision making. Being painfully long term hurt and dying anyway he chose a death that would be good for the newspaper & his being "merlin 2.0"
I think Dumbledore as brilliant as he was is just not a warrior and that he was hesitant to directly intervene because of the what happened with his sister. He fears having power or being a leader. He only as last resort steps in. Everyone trusted Dumbledore but he never really trusted himself. From my view, a lot of what he does during the time of Voldemort's first defeat is to set things up for Harry and to encourage others to stand up and fight for their world against those like the Death Eaters and supporters. Dumbledore knew that Harry would take care of Tom Riddle while he seem to focus more on the Wizarding society.
That Option would not be a permanent solution. He would still life. He can definitely break out of askaban, as even dumbledore joked how pointless it would be. And he also has so many followers who would look for him, especially in this scenario, as they know that voldemort actually lives.
Even D dont want to kill him, V will not live. Consider the crime he did, the magic world would ask for execution, and this time, the human right orginazation would not stand out. And D will still searching for the Horcruxs.
It is interesting to think of how Dumbledore eventually gave up his pursuit of power which he had sought so fervently during his youth and instead directed it towards doing what was right, as he likewise encouraged others, to “do what is right, not what is easy.” This is merely another theory, but I believe that Newt Scamander is largely responsible for turning Dumbledore away from the pursuit of power by the example he set in his own life. As quoted in the Crimes of Grindelwald, Dumbledore remarks, “You know what I admire about you Newt; perhaps more than any other man I know? You do not seek power or popularity, you simply ask is a thing right in itself; that is you do it no matter the cost.”
Probably because they both tried to avoid the other at different points during the war. Early on, Voldemort probably avoided any confrontation with Dumbledore out of concern his efforts might end before they really had a chance to begin. Later in the war, particularly after the first Order of the Phoenix had been decimated, it was probably Professor Dumbledore who was concerned the odds of meeting Voldemort in a singular battle of wands were too precarious to risk a fatal loss. Voldemort’s fear of Professor Dumbledore is more than just a little exaggerated, considering Voldemort didn’t go anywhere once he knew his old Transfiguration Instructor was on hand at the Ministry of Magic in …Order of the Phoenix. I would add that Professor Dumbledore was never as confident as the fandom is that he could ultimately defeat Voldemort. And that statement is not made in an attempt to bash Dumbledore, so let’s avoid those comments, if we could. By the end of the First Wizarding War, Voldemort was running rampant over the magical community and Voldemort’s initial defeat at Godric’s Hollow was a complete surprise to Dumbledore, even if he pieced together how it happened afterwards. Professor Dumbledore also had other concerns than simply finding Voldemort to duke it out. Specifically, Dumbledore had to think about the safety of his Order members and the magical population in general, so it wasn’t as easy as just dropping everything to go seek out Voldemort. We can debate who might have won a duel under circumstances minus Harry Potter, but the reality in the wizarding world is that both wizards saw a nemesis who might overcome the other, and, therefore, they both understood that discretion really is the better part valor. After all, you’re not supposed to go all in on a poker hand unless you know with absolute certainty you’ve got the winning hand. Lesser poker players may try to bluff, but the real professionals play for another hand, and then another after that, until they draw the cards they really want to take you down with. Both Dumbledore and Voldemort probably never found the circumstances exactly to their liking for such a duel, or else the other always knew better than to confront the one who was in better position.
This one I don't understand. Did you miss the fact that dumbledore frequently used Harry as BAIT. He did hunt voldemort down and his every action was intended to first undo his immortality and then end him. He even sacrificed his own life to put it into motion.
Why did Dumbledore need Harry to get the memory from slughorn? “Only you Harry, An under age wizard can get one of your teachers super drunk and take advantage of him”.
I think the Prophecy in the world of Harry Potter is more akin to David Eddings version in The Belgariad etc. Prophecy was the power that pushed events along....but...the outcome of Light vs Dark was not a forgone conclusion. Either could still win. So, in HP...you have the twin cores....which evens out enemies in a way that undermines Voldemort's huge knowledge, power, and skill advantages. And...it SEEMS that Harry side steps defeat in ways that are unexplainable....such as the golden magic defense when Harry was barely conscious...etc. Dumbledore equals the weight of this prophecy to mirror the weight Voldemort did; that it removes the possibility of victory is certain. Dumbledore could not defeat Voldemort AND prophecy at the same time... So, Dumbledore builds his ultimate weapon and aim it directly at Voldemort.... Harry Potter.
It did cross my mind- but the prophecy was the number reason in my mind that Dumbledore would not have ever tried to defeat him …. Though I did wonder about why he never used a time turner to go back and kill him as a much younger less powerful wizard in Voldemort’s youth… but I also think- that would be a very difficult task for someone to do mentally- killing a youth to protect the future… not so sure I could do it!
If Dumbledore went after Voldemort, even if more powerful, there is a chance Voldemort would be victorious. Therefore, best let a teenager face him instead.
I love ur in-depth descriptions I’ve only watched the movies so I’m in the dark on a lot of the book lore but I’ve only played like 2 Harry Potter games but I never beat them cuz I was a little to young so ur videos definitely shine a light on the areas that I was in the dark in💪🏾
I was disappointed a bit I admit. Because you were talking about why Dumbledore didn't directly faced Voldemort when the latter was at his strongest. I was talking about- Why didn't Dumbledore tracked down Voldemort in Albania and captured him? It would have been a lot easier in such a scenario. Think about it- Dumbledore finds Voldemort in the forest shortly after his downfall. Lock him up in a magical prison for 17 years until Harry is of age with magical knowledge. In the mean time they find and destroy the Horcruxes+Nagini never become one if Voldemort doesn't return. And after all of the Horcruxes are destroyed when Voldemort can't fight back Harry kills him. Which means Sirius is alive, Remus is alive and everybody else is alive. Peter goes to Azkaban to replace Sirius. No Voldemort also means no escaped DE and no ability to return to power. And Barty Crouch Jr. is kept enslaved under his father.
@@MagusMortloch Okay fair enough. But he still had time to screw Voldemort before he returned to power and didn't do it. But that doesn't change the fact he knew Voldemort is alive somewhere. So even without the Horcrux issue he could have get a hold on him. Like Rita Repulsa was prisoned until she was accidentally released.
@@eranshachar9954 Dumbledore knew Voldemort could never be defeated by normal means. Voldemort was the most powerful dark wizard of all time who had lost so much of his humanity that many believed he was still alive after his first fall because he was to inhuman to die.
It would've been more humane for Harry as well. I mean… Harry could have been raised by a loving family whether they were his family or not. He could have been protected from being abused as a child. He could have been given choices and just raised like a normal kid and then been given the choice when he was old enough to make it rather than it being raised as a pig for slaughter. Harry would have gone through a lot less trauma. Harry would have been a true hero and not the victim of child exploitation. Remember, Dumbledore made these decisions. Dumbledore didn't go after Voldemort when the latter was at his weakest. Dumbledore subjected to Harry to so much trauma that Harry should never have been subjected to. The way he treated Harry is not the way you treat a piece on your chest board. Dumbledore could have done so much and he didn't. The man was just a cruel coward if you ask me, he just knew how to mask it in a very cleverly crafted cloak of benevolence.
@@milanka882 Oh yes I agree. This is why I wrote this because it made me so angry he just did nothing. Dumbledore was morally grey. These choices were the black part of him. And also the way he treated his brother and sister. But he is not totally black as he did a lot trying to fix his mistakes. Like you say he treated Harry not just like a Pig for slaughter but also as a Chess piece. Absolutely horrific. When it comes to defeating your enemy there shouldn't be any fairness. Capturing Voldemort in his weakest would have been the best option, but this is not how Dumbledore's mind worked. In the books I was angry at him more than in the movies. The movies were too gentle with him. Excluding GOF when they idiotically made him angry the whole film.
Magical powerhouses akin to nuclear deterrents. Makes sense, losing either voldy or dumbly would upset the power balance. Both had to be killed off to keep the balance. Wish we could do that with the global nuclear stockpiles.
What doesn't make sense to me is how Dumbledore couldn't convince the ministry to hunt down and destroy his horcruxes after book 2. He could have shown them Harry and Ginny's memories and what was left of the diary.
You think it would have been wise for Dumbledore to tell the corrupt Ministry? lol Maybe because ex deatheaters worked in the Ministry, and even though Lucious got booted from the board of governors after book 2, he still had considerable influence in the Ministry, and over the Minister of Magic. Telling the Ministry anything like that would have resulted in Voldermort knowing as soon as he got back, which means he would have plenty of time to move all of his horcruxes. It would have destroyed any chance of defeating Voldermort.
Dumbledore also didn't know how many Horcruxes were created nor did he know what items they were. It took years of research between the point that he knew Voldemort had created a horcrux to the point where he found and destroyed the ring.
Dumbledore knew he was powerful enough to defeat Voldemort, but he didn’t want his ambitions and his newfound power, since obtaining the Elder Wand, to corrupt his desire to do good. He also had unresolved burdens created by his relationships with Grindelwald, his brother Aberforth and his late sister, Ariana. In other words, Dumbledore believed that only someone that is pure of heart can truly defeat Voldemort. Someone like Harry Potter. ⚡️
@@bjames1812, the Elder Wand doesn’t inherently corrupt the user like the One Ring did. Dumbledore feared, given his past with Grindelwald and his quest for the Deathly Hallows, his character would be diminished, contradicting his own values that he instilled in the hearts of the students at Hogwarts. 🧙♂️
Nah. Voldemort was more powerful than him. He won the duel while dumbledore had the elder wand. I don't get why people all of a sudden think dumbledore was so much more powerful. Best case scenario they,re equals
@GreatSeo Since when did Voldy win in a duel against Albus? 😂 If it's about the Duel in the Ministry, Albus wanted Voldemort to stay longer for the ministry to arrive so they [the Ministry] will see it for themselves that Voldy was back. Albus was toyying him in the Ministry, protecting Harry, pinning Bellatrix down, apparating from point-to-point, blocking spells, etc. 😂😂😂
“When you fight monsters be careful not to become a monster” Dumbledore was honestly teetering before Grindlewald, and only by seeing the depths of what his friend/lover had become before their duel did he choose differently.
I think the best answer is that dumbledoor was aware that facing Voldemort was a very risky gamble for very little gain. If he wins Voldemort is either dead temporarily, or imprisoned temporarily. Unlike Grindalwald, Voldemort has a cult of following that stays loyal through rise and fall, and to imprison him or kill him is basically to punt the issue down the road. Dumbledoors highest odds gambling are to follow the prophecy, because he still can attempt the other things, just on the defensive instead of offensive. How many times did he get in the way and threat plans, simply because he had the privilege of reacting. If I’m up 4 points in a football game, I can play soft defense because you have to get into the end zone to win. That’s dumbledoor. For Voldemort to ever win, he has to get Harry, dumbledoor essentially has the lead and has to wait out the clock for Harry to grow strong enough to win. It’s like being in a boss fight where the boss has an invulnerability skill, or a regen skill. Do you attack the boss during that? Knowing it’s pointless? No you don’t. You wait it out and dodge, and once you can win, you win.
My theory on this was dumbledore figured out about Voldemort’s immortality long at like in first wizarding war. But had no clue what it was until chamber of secrets with the first horcrux, then his suspicious was confirmed with slughorns memory. If all of that is true dumbledore was playing 4d chess. He knew he could never kill Voldemort and if he imprisoned him chances are he would escape or would be broken out just making the support for him more. And or one curse and the rebellion against dumbledore could crumble with his own death. Knowing all of that he strategically never went after voldy until he knew what kind of magic he was dealing with and sadly he had put on the ring before hand. He had prepared harry as a back up plan in case he would fail and the ring horcrux insured that he would not live long enough to directly take out voldy. Harry was always the backup plan not the first option , if he had the never been taken out by the ring he would have hunted the horcrux himself but he had to rush his secondary plan out because of his own recklessness
Dumbledore knew he could best Voldemort in an honest 1v1, however he had the humility and wisdom to heed the words of the prophesy which insinuated that he would lose. More than likely he would lose through some underhanded way, but a loss is a loss when dealing with a snake. Knowing his loss would result in the transfer of loyalty of the elder wand, which would only make Voldemort even harder to defeat, he instead chose to operate as a learner and in time a teacher instead of as a warrior. This completes his character arc from his youth where he believed in the utilization of power to enact one’s will.
I love this 'power corrupts' theme. Maybe just going out there and defeating Voldemort would be a more objective approach, but he knew that power was his weakness.
Probably because they both tried to avoid the other at different points during the war. Early on, Voldemort probably avoided any confrontation with Dumbledore out of concern his efforts might end before they really had a chance to begin. Later in the war, particularly after the first Order of the Phoenix had been decimated, it was probably Professor Dumbledore who was concerned the odds of meeting Voldemort in a singular battle of wands were too precarious to risk a fatal loss. Voldemort’s fear of Professor Dumbledore is more than just a little exaggerated, considering Voldemort didn’t go anywhere once he knew his old Transfiguration Instructor was on hand at the Ministry of Magic in …Order of the Phoenix. I would add that Professor Dumbledore was never as confident as the fandom is that he could ultimately defeat Voldemort. And that statement is not made in an attempt to *bash* Dumbledore, so let’s avoid those comments, if we could. By the end of the First Wizarding War, Voldemort was running rampant over the magical community and Voldemort’s initial defeat at Godric’s Hollow was a complete surprise to Dumbledore, even if he pieced together how it happened afterwards. Professor Dumbledore also had other concerns than simply finding Voldemort to duke it out. Specifically, Dumbledore had to think about the safety of his Order members and the magical population in general, so it wasn’t as easy as just dropping everything to go seek out Voldemort. We can debate who might have won a duel under circumstances minus Harry Potter, but the reality in the wizarding world is that both wizards saw a nemesis who might overcome the other, and, therefore, they both understood that discretion really is the better part valor. After all, you’re not supposed to go all in on a poker hand unless you know with absolute certainty you’ve got the winning hand. Lesser poker players may try to bluff, but the real professionals play for another hand, and then another after that, until they draw the cards they really want to take you down with. Both Dumbledore and Voldemort probably never found the circumstances exactly to their liking for such a duel, or else the other always knew better than to confront the one who was in better position.
I think you could some up why Dumbledore never defeated Voldemort all went after him in one sentence. Dumbledore was a child exploiting, child grooming arsehole who was really only concerned with his own power and image. He was Machiavellian. He knew how to manipulate people and act as a puppeteer pulling peoples puppet strings, often without the people he was puppetting even realising that they were his puppets. He knew how to manipulate people, and he also knew how to appear as good and benevolent while in reality creating a lot of harm in that society. He was the master of manipulation. And yes you could argue he "helped"a lot of people. But if you ask me, he only did this so that he could have a hold over those people later and use them for his Grand schemes… ala Remus Lupin. He could have done so much more to at least minimise Harry's suffering, he could have used so much magic to prevent the abuse that Harry suffered. I'm also expected to believe that Harry's mother did not have any aunts, uncles, cousins and other relatives that could have sheltered him. So much is wrong with this. No, there was only one reason Dumbledore did not stop Voldemort. Harry was his ultimate power trip, and dare I "Voldemort, but Voldemort was right when he said that Dumbledore was pulling the strings. Because Harry was groomed to do what he did when you analyse it with a fine tooth Crocombe. He was groomed to fulfil the destiny that he did by Dumbledore. And there is absolutely no excuse for child grooming in my opinion. I'm sorry to say it, Dumbledore was rotten to the core and I wish people would stop pretending that he was the epitome of goodness. And I also wish people would stop pretending that Harry was this wonderful Hearo that was acting of his own accord when he was groomed by Dumbledore right from the age one to do what he did and to fulfil his destiny. I could go on and on about Dumbledore's nastiness, but later I can find a video when I'm on the laptop and it's easier and paste it in here if anybody is interested that breaks down Dumbledore's nastiness a lot better than I am doing right now.
Dumbledore was patient and curious. He understood how to play the long game and would have put others in danger just to test a theory.. I think that trait has been revealed more than once in Dumbledore. The prophecy really only revealed he was justified in not doing it himself. Not saying he made the right move but it doesn't feel out of character for him to be more interested in watching how things unfold and collecting information before making a move. Had he not, he may never have known about Harry and Voldemorts connection.
If these two were equal strength, the serious danger was that Voldemort knew some really lethal magic he was not scared to use and I suspect Dumbledore was not fully prepared to handle…
Both felt their chances of winning the war were better if they employed other, less direct, tactics. Too much is made of Voldemort’s fear of Dumbledore. Yes, he feared losing to Dumbledore, but it wasn’t this overwhelming, paralyzing fear that many people make it out to be. When the opportunity for a duel presented itself in Book 5, Voldy didn’t flinch. And that was on enemy turf with large reinforcements on the way for his opponent! But for Voldemort to not fear Dumbledore at all? Well, that would be the mark of an idiot. Dumbledore may very well be the most powerful wizard of all time, and even wizards who are the absolute prodigies of their generation like McGonagall or Snape pale in comparison to Dumbledore. Voldemort just couldn’t be sure of victory against someone like that. You see, Dumbledore and Voldemort are the kings on the chessboard of their respective sides. Knock one down, and that one’s side loses. If Voldemort attacks Dumbledore and wins, he’s taken over the Wizarding world in the UK. But if he loses? He’s toast! Dumbledore could potentially capture and imprison him, or Dumbledore might kill him…and remember Voldemort isn’t really sure just yet that his horcruxes work or exactly how they work (even if he had known, being disembodied was pretty terrible for him). In short, it’s a HUGE risk to duel Dumbledore. Instead, Voldemort focused on building up his forces, placing wizards and witches under his control with the imperius curse, and targeted killings against key enemies to weaken the other side. It was actually a pretty effective strategy, and Voldemort may have felt that his chances of winning the war this way were actually far greater than going against Dumbledore in a one-on-one fight. It should also be noted that Dumbledore seemed to feel the exact same way about the issue. He never pushed to duel Voldemort either, and focused on defending Hogwarts and directing the activities of The Order of the Phoenix to counter Voldemort’s gang. We can infer that Dumbledore thought that this was his best chance of winning the war, because that’s what he chose to do. Generally, I’d say that the position of Dumbledore, The Order of the Phoenix, and the Ministry of Magic wasn’t so great during the first war…they were losing a lot of people, and though they certainly inflicted some damage to the other side it didn’t seem as extensive. A final note here is that it’s damn difficult for wizards to meet each other on equal ground to fight a duel. If Voldemort did want to fight a duel with Dumbledore, would he just knock on the door? Dumbledore would have the huge advantage of Hogwart’s defenses to lean against, not to mention quite a few very powerful teachers and an army of students. Likewise it would be very difficult for Dumbledore to catch Voldemort alone or unprotected. He couldn’t just apparate into a Death Eater meeting…he might think he can handle Voldy, but he can’t handle Voldy plus forty Death Eaters! Neither Dumbledore or Voldemort is going to give battle when their opponent has an overwhelming advantage, and it’s hard for wizards to catch either other when that isn’t the case. The duel in the Ministry of Magic was a rare time when they encountered each other and neither had the advantage…although that only lasted a few minutes before the aurors arrived. So, it was a case of neither Dumbledore nor Voldemort wanting to put such high stakes on one fight, but it’s also a case of it being really hard for either of them to force that fight to happen in circumstances that didn’t give the advantage to the other guy. I find it profoundly narratively unsatisfying when folks assume Dumbledore would win a fight with Voldemort hands-down. Not only does the text not support that view, but it makes Dumbledore’s comparatively infrequent amount of taking the field himself a really stupid move. If Dumbledore is assured of victory, he should have pressed that advantage far more than it seems he did.
Have to say I've really enjoyed this channel: okay two things, I understand though after the pronounciation video about Voldemort, still the "T" sound, why I mention this is because I initially believed that Rowling was inspired by an encompasing one word discription "English History" that poetic flexability or real fractored history that Vortigern that allied with Horsa and Heingeist as a starting point. 2, Dumbledore wouldn't go after Voldemort that Leaders don't fight wars and light is the best disenfectant of darkness - Voldemort can nolonger act in secrecy - I agree with the points.
When you're a celebrity wizard like Dumbledore you have very little wiggle room for your movements. 1: though he could body Voldemort he was under constant surveillance by both his allies(supposed) and enemies. 2: if he did body Voldemort he would still have to race to find the horcruxes but would still be hindered by allies of Voldemort and even those who claim to be his allies. I think Dumbledore was dancing a fine line but still was able to keep things in order. He played the game masterfully with spies and proxies. Some dislike his methods but if we take a deep dive he played the perfect role to keep evil in check and to dispose of it.
I could think of many reasons why dumbledore did what he did. I really think he was more useful alive and exerting this pressure on voldemort that prevented him from really moving freely. He was cursed by the ring and already going to die, again he'd already come to terms with this and it made sense he'd stay alive for as long as possible so he could help Harry hunt down the horcruxes. Dumbledore would have absolutely fought voldemort had he shown up at hogwarts, but neither one of them really wanted to be the first to make a move, there was no strategic benefit especially because dumbledore was dying either way, and voldemort had his horcruxes still.
theory: in spite of Dumbldore's power, he would not use it to take a life, after his sister died. While he knew of the horcruxes, he said he didn't know how many there were. thirdly, he twigged very early on that mouldy had accidentally made Harry a horcrux, thus knew that mouldy had to destroy his own horcrux, or Harry would have to die to destroy it. He had to get mouldy to kill his horcrux to save Harryy, which is why it made sense to get Harry as powerful as possible, while mouldy was actually proceeding to weaken himself. Dumbledore knew way more than he ever let on, which is actually one of his strongest talents, beyond his majical ability
People underestimate how cunning Voldemort was too. He eluded capture from the ministry and the Order for decades, while thinning them out and winning every duel he engaged in. He only lost the first war because he let his paranoia get the best of him, and he attacked Harry’s family in the specific way that would cause his curse to backfire. I’m sure Dumbledore was doing all he could to find and defeat him, but he was also leading the Order and protecting Hogwarts.
Dumbledore knew about the prophecy from Sybill Trelawney, about neither could live while the other survives, he knew Voldemort could only be completely defeated by Harry, months before Harry was born. Also he knew voldemort could be brought back by other magical means, he wasn't sure which ones though, which took along time to find out. but still he knew it wasn't going to be him to defeat voldemort, it was always going to harry (or possibly Neville) and tried to setup him to do it. Once he knew they were horcruxes and that there were 7 (which he didn't find out for 16 years), he knew he had to take out the horcruxes first but had to find them all which took alot time, and he found one but ended up getting cursed, and was going to die from the curse, (plus he was getting old and tired and probably close to death anyway), or by draco or snape killing him by the end of the school year. So he begs snape to put him out of his suffering, also by relieving draco from the unbreakable vow he had with voldemort. But simply it was fate from the get go. Dumbledore knew he was never going to be the one to finally defeat Voldemort, but knew he had to do everything he could to help the one who would. I have another conspirecy theory, Dumbledore setup Harry to be the chosen one, dumbledore knew from the prophecy that it was going to be either Harry or Neville to be the chosen, Dumbledore knew James was descend from the Peverell family and had one of the Deathly Hollows the cloak of invisability. as James let him borrow it. due to this i think he may have tricked or controlled Peter Pettigrew to give up the secret keeper secret to Voldemort (remember Peter says "he didn't mean too" when confronted by Remus and Sirius), thus ensuring Harry to be the chosen one because he would have a greater chance of defeating voldemort with the cloak of invisability. Which is also why Dumbledore asked james for the cloak, so James couldn't use it to save his family as Dumbledore had it with him at the time..... Dumbledore setup up Voldemort to choose Harry...... Thats right The Chosen One was chosen by Dumbledore😱
I think like love, “prophecy magic” is ancient magic. If the prophecy calls for Harry (or Neville) to end the Dark Lord then it has to be either one of them; anyone else kind of interrupts the balance and I think that the prophecy will do what it can to keep that way even if that means anyone directly trying to alter it, like Dumbledore defeating Voldemort, would end up in a less fortunate circumstance that discontinue them from interfering directly with the prophecy. Just my guess 🙂
despite the fact he's arguably the most powerful Wizard in the books, at his core he's a Teacher, he enjoys instructing the next generations into things, let them test themselves, improve things that perhaps he might not be able to, also as you said, the risk he ran in possible defeat, would have been truly catastrophic for the wizarding world as a whole.
Gandalf did clash directly with Sauron. It happened when Frodo was on Amon Hen with the Ring on. In many ways, Dumbledore's duel with Voldemort parallels this moment in Lord Of The Rings, but with one key difference. Gandalf's clash was not witnessed, just felt, while Dumbledore's was up front.
It was because of the prophecy and that harry was a horrcrux meaning one will live while the other will die that means one has to kill the other ., due to this reason, voldemort was after harry so that he can live. Even if voldemort was defeated by Dumbeldor , Vildemort cannot be killed unless horcrux in harry was killed. We saw how the horcrux within Harry was killed by the killing curse from voldemort in the forest in the last part of the book .
Another reason is that Dumbledore was far older and a Voldemort's teacher. It never feels right to fight against your student, as partially always you feel responsible for your student's mistakes. That is well presented in the Starwars universe, where Obi-Wan had to fight Anakin, who became Darth Vader. He never wanted this fight and his soul was hurting all along. Dumbledore could see little Tom (with love) from school or when he picked him up from the orphanage. Taking a dark route is not something you are born to become, but a result of pain, not experiencing love in ages that is crucial, loneliness, etc, and his teachers + society failed him. I don't think Dumbledore felt that it was his duty to kill him, but to protect the generations that should have fight him and win. He gave his own fights with his generation (Grindelwald), and then it was Voldemort's generation the one responsible to fight him. Unfortunately, they failed and the one who was destined to kill him, was little Harry.
Although being a headmaster in a wizarding boarding school wields a lot of power - Dumbeldore was a king in his own fiefdom, with deference from the minister of magic in Fudge's early days.
he did mention he suspected this for a long time. he just didn't know how in depth it went. He did basically hunt him down. If he just went for him, he would be fighting a bigger uphill battle
Dumbledore did not know about the horcruxes, until Half blood Prince. Also, with Voldemort's fixation on Harry Potter, it made Voldemort predictable. So Dumbledore only had to arrange Voldemort's death.
Very true the people best suited for power and leadership are the ones who don’t seek it out but use it only because they must and surprise themselves when they do well
Like with Grindelwald, I don't think Dumbledore would have confronted Voldemort directly until he had no other choice but to do it. Before it got to that point the prophecy was made and Harry was able to "defeat" Voldemort, so Dumbledore decided to abide by the prophecy and do whatever he could do to support Harry instead of directly intervene. It's true that they fought in the ministry, but Dumbledore was simply trying to stall him so the Aurors would get there in time to confirm he was back.
Harry Potter himself was a horcrux. Voldemort could not be permanently killed while he had a surviving horcrux. Dumbledore could have killed Harry and finished Voldemort, but Dumbledore cared about Harry. He knew that the only way for Harry to survive was for Voldemort to kill Harry, thereby eliminating Harry as a horcrux and making it possible for Voldemort to die and for Harry to live. Only Voldemort could detach the piece of his soul tethered to Harry without killing Harry also. Voldemort made this possible by absorbing Lily’s protection into himself when he used Harry’s blood to power his resurrection ritual. Because of the combination of that protection and the soul fragment attached to both Harry and Voldemort, Harry had to submit to death at Voldemort’s hand and not resist when Voldemort unwittingly discharged his own soul. Dumbledore explains much of this to Harry in the Kings Cross station interaction after the confrontation in the forbidden forest.
While I agree with your points I would add that "the power the dark lord knows not" and Lily's sacrifice played a part. Recall Snape's accusation of raising Harry like live stock to slaughter in the right way at the right time. Also the protection Harry's sacrifice gave. Dumbledore did note the power of Lily's sacrifice. He had an understanding of that sort of Magic - hence having Harry live with the Dursleys
Its been many years since i read the books so maybe it was answered but a question iv had is why did dumbledor believe that trelawnys prophecy was real? Versus writing it off as acting ect. If i recall it was said somewhere that he had at one time thought about taking divination out from the curriculum and given trelawnys track record as well amoungst everyone...always felt odd but maybe iv simply forgotten the explanation.
He didn’t hunt him down because the risk outweighed the Reward: Voldemort was by all accounts on par with Dumbledore in terms of all around magical mastery and knowledge… maybe number 2 but a close 2nd nonetheless and given the age disparity could very well have caught up On top of that, he was the greatest dark wizard in history in terms of theoretical and practical understanding of Dark Magic and the world’s greatest Legillimens. Like Dumbledore he frequently destroyed the barriers of what was deemed magically possible… record breaking horcruxes, created his own dark spells/curses , INVENTED non-broom flying etc It wasn’t worth the hassle, both Tom and Dumbledore were like nuclear deterrents, immense power than neither side wanted to really use if they could help it.
Agreed but I think the primary reason is that to really resolve the Vold issue, Harry would have to die and there was never a possibility that Dumbledore would kill him.
He could still destroy Voldy's body and track down his followers while they'd be scrambling to resurrect him. This would give the wizarding world more years of peace, more time to find and destroy the horcruxes, perhaps even do some actual research and figure out a way to capture his soul and feed it to a dementor or something. Not to mention that he should have already eliminated all known ways of resurrection. Failing to destroy the bone of the father was already a huge mistake.
I kinda felt that even if he did have a Horcrux it was shown that Riddle could survive without one but it would have been easier to get rid of him without him being an active threat.
it took a long time for him to figure out the hocrux. technically he had suspicions but he had to be sure because there was no room for error. he didn't know how many voldemort had but 7 was perfect magical number which he kind figured out later when he had enough evidence, note that even dark wizards before voldemort's time only created like one hocrux. he was hunting him down it's just that he couldn't really kill him and just comes back later and that him moving around as the ehad master of hogwarts kinda would make a lot of noise if he inquires the other places of hocrux for example the goblet of helga Huppelpuf and so on. he wasn't exactly free to move around always since he is basically the strongest wizard of his lifetime... if he just disappears and appears quite a bit of ministry would panic and not just the brittish. I'd assume a lot of wizarding government are still on guard against him cuz maybe he don't want power but he has insane amount of influence just like grindewald was. what would you do if someone has like a nuclear weapon and could just magically appear anywhere and gather people that could potential be like nuclear weapons... albus was kinda like that although he was like the greatest white wizard kinda guy you can't take away how even fudge was paranoid about him, a guy he basically supported all the time.
Dumbledore was not sure if he could take Voldemort down. It was clear to him during the first war that Voldemort had surpassed Grindelwald as the greatest dark wizard of all time. Voldemort's knowledge on the dark arts was so complex and his demonic face confirmed that.
I think the answer to this question is a simple one. Dumbledore knew he was the only one with the intelligence and foresight to set all the plans in motion that needed to be set in motion. He must have calculated it was better for him to use Harry than to try and do it himself and potentially fail (thus leaving no one to guide Harry and the OOTP in the fight against Voldemort).
Dumbledore studied voldemort for many years, and he hunting voldemort by hunting horcroxs. Lol. Living Voldemord was the last horcrox. His plan was let voldemord and harry kill each other. He also seen harry grow up with a horcrox as an "experiment".
My guess is that the first Wizarding war, before Harry was born, was a lot fuller of political intrigue than one might imagine. And Dumbledore's options, as far as 1 on 1 combat, were restrained. We saw the way the Ministry reacted to the mere possibility of Voldemort's return. Fear so intense that they not only denied it, but sought to remove Dumbledore from Hogwarts for making it seem possible. During the original war, there were probably people who weren't on Voldemort's side who nevertheless would have reacted in horror if Dumbledore had singlehandedly hunted down the Dark Lord and killed him. He would have ended up shunned, and himself, hunted. Which while that would be effective-potentially-against Voldemort, it would also take himself out of play against any new threat beyond Voldemort who may rise. The simple answer is storytelling. But the in-universe answer is that Dumbledore couldn't unleash his true power without untethering himself from society like Voldemort did.
This is, of course, pure speculation, but what if Dumbledore was actually potently clairvoyant and he basically just acted like a moderator for his visions instead of trying to influence them (maybe because he saw his sister dying and couldn't prevent that)...so he would know that Harry defeats Voldy, he would know to trust Snape, he would know he needed to sacrifice Sirius and send him to Azkaban, and perhaps reluctantly do all these things to just let those visions come to pass (objectively, this can be also attributed to lazy deus-ex-machina writing, but hey). Would also explain stuff like he knew that Voldy couldn't be killed, just didn't understand the mechanics, how he readily took the blame for the whole DA affair without flinching, possibly some other decisions that didn't really make sense without the big picture.
I have always wondered what would happen if Tom found out that harry was one of his hocroxes, do you think he wouldve maybe protect him? Or kill him? Kinda confusing hehe
My theory is voldermort rather avoided dumbledore…..It’s possible voldermort’s name was tobbooed in the first war ..meaning voldermort could easily have located dumbledore whenever dumbledore mentioned his name …voldermort’s position wasn’t exactly easy to predict . Another reason is seeing as dumbledore was probably the only person on the good side who suspected voldermort would come back , he must has suspected voldermort had a horcrux but didn’t know how many horcruxes there were . He mentioned the careless nature of the diary made him question the number must have been much more than he suspected Hence , he didn’t want to kill him , only for him to rise at a later time when dumbledore might have been out of the picture Finally , the prophecy might have played a part
Something I've wondered for a while that kind of ties in with him trying to find the elusive Voldemort... Why did nobody just put a taboo on the avada kedavra curse? Sure, nonverbal magic is an option, but Voldemort is frequently observed speaking the incantation. If he could put a taboo on his name to break enchantments and locate people that said it, why don't the Order of the Phoenix or Ministry do the same for the killing curse incantation? Instantly find murderers and break their protective enchantments...
This one is fairly simple .... he knew about the hoarcrux's and the prophecy .... so he knew he could never just kill him, only blast him out of his body, until he regained it again ... but the prophecy showed there was someone who could do it, so that was not his part. When he was easily beating both Voldy and Bellatrix at the same time in the ministry, he didn't use a killing curse (despite the sheer power his spells carried). It surprised voldy at the time, but he clearly never dwelled on it. Also, he very likely realized Harry was a probable hoarcrux as soon as he saw how his parents died, and knew that not only could he never kill harry to destroy it, but that Voldemort would destroy the hoarcrux if he ever killed harry. He knew the game was over as soon as Voldemort used harry's blood to recreate his body. He was 100 moves ahead, and set the rest of the board out so that Harry could do it. You realize, when you think about it, that Harry could have never done it alone, without Dumbledores help. Dumbledore was moving everyone around to be in the right places, all along, and even after his death.
There is something I'm curious about, the opposite thing basically. If Voldemort had so many Death Eaters at his command and was so powerful, why did he seemingly never make a SERIOUS (Voldemort intended Draco to fail) attempt on his life, other than the duel in the Ministry (and that one was more because the two just happened to meet up rather than him seeking out Dumbledore.)? In fact, given that Voldemort presumably DID NOT know that Narcissa (and even Bellatrix!) had gone behind his back and made the unbreakable vow with Snape (someone Voldemort never seems to have bothered to TRY and utilize to take out Dumbledore from within the grounds of Hogwarts itself). However, in spite of this, based on a conversation between Snape and Dumbledore, shown in the Deathly Hallows in the Pensive, but taking place within the timeline of the Half Blood Prince, it seems that Voldemort was EXPECTING that the school would SOON be within his grasp, either meaning that Voldemort actually DID intend for Dumbledore to die soon or else that Voldemort was confident enough that, despite Dumbledore still being alive, that he could manage to knock off the Minister of Magic and oust him the same way Fudge did at the end of "The Centaur and the Sneak" (basically a Ministry-led coup). While Voldemort and his minions have tried to kill Harry MANY times (despite Voldemort merely seeing Harry as "Dumbledore's puppet", according to his own words in Deathly Hallows), he or his goons have tried to take out Harry SEVERAL times: 1.) As a baby 2.) Quirrell with the troll 3.) Quirrell with the bucking broom 4.) Quirrel in the Forest 5.) Voldemort and Quirrel in the Stone Chamber 6.) Chamber of Secrets battle (which was technically the fault of Lucius) 7.) The graveyard 8.) Barty Crouch Jr. tries to kill Harry 9.) In the Ministry of Magic 10.) Battle of the Seven Potters 11.) Godricks Hollow 12.) The locket tries to drown Harry (well, if you count the Diary as an attempt to kill him, might as well count this one) 13.) The Forest Again 14.) Finally, the Great Hall Meanwhile, there are only these two recorded for attempts on Dumbledore (the second of which worked, but which Voldemort WASN'T expecting it to): 1.) The fight in the Ministry of Magic 2.) The scheme to have Draco kill Dumbledore Both of these, by the way, occurred in the Second Wizard War (there was no recorded attempt of Voldemort to kill Dumbledore in the First Wizarding War.)
Voldy was extremely smart and skilled .... and that allowed him to realize that he could have never beat Dumbledore, and why he always feared him. He was unbeatable. So he never even tried, and did not send anyone against him, unless he was punishing them. Dumbledore only fell from his own mistake with the ring, and then a plan with snape.
@@brandoncaswell5907 So what exactly was Voldemort hoping to do if he ever did take over the Ministry? Dumbledore would be a big threat to his regime, and, arguably, could have been partially the reason that Voldemort hadn't already won the First Wizarding War by the time that Voldemort fell in Godrich's Hollow.
@@littlefoot5013 Once you have the minstry, you have alot more power and people to bring against him (although I doubt they ever could have taken Dumbledore out, he was so outmatched and smart). It is clear from the entire series that Voldemort never once sought a direct battle with dumbledore, even when he had alot of power and support.
Dumbledore didn't go after Voldemort, because he was headmaster at Hogwarts and made that job and the training and safeguarding of the young witches and wizards attending that school his top priority. He also knew (at some point) about Voldemort's horcruxes and knew Voldemort couldn't truly be defeated until the horcruxes were destroyed. Then there was the prophecy. There is another point not mentioned in this video: the Elder Wand. Dumbledore's wand was the powerful Elder Wand. There was no way Dumbledore would take the chance of Voldemort either defeating him or disarming him as either of those would gain Voldemort possession of the Elder Wand and it's great power. (Remember the path of the Elder Wand in Half Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows. Draco disarmed Dumbledore to gain the Elder Wand only to be disarmed and lose it to Harry. Voldemort knew none of this when he killed Snape and thought he had control of the wand.)
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Both felt their chances of winning the war were better if they employed other, less direct, tactics.
Too much is made of Voldemort’s fear of Dumbledore. Yes, he feared losing to Dumbledore, but it wasn’t this overwhelming, paralyzing fear that many people make it out to be. When the opportunity for a duel presented itself in Book 5, Voldy didn’t flinch. And that was on enemy turf with large reinforcements on the way for his opponent! But for Voldemort to not fear Dumbledore at all? Well, that would be the mark of an idiot. Dumbledore may very well be the most powerful wizard of all time, and even wizards who are the absolute prodigies of their generation like McGonagall or Snape pale in comparison to Dumbledore. Voldemort just couldn’t be sure of victory against someone like that.
You see, Dumbledore and Voldemort are the kings on the chessboard of their respective sides. Knock one down, and that one’s side loses. If Voldemort attacks Dumbledore and wins, he’s taken over the Wizarding world in the UK. But if he loses? He’s toast! Dumbledore could potentially capture and imprison him, or Dumbledore might kill him…and remember Voldemort isn’t really sure just yet that his horcruxes work or exactly how they work (even if he had known, being disembodied was pretty terrible for him). In short, it’s a HUGE risk to duel Dumbledore. Instead, Voldemort focused on building up his forces, placing wizards and witches under his control with the imperius curse, and targeted killings against key enemies to weaken the other side. It was actually a pretty effective strategy, and Voldemort may have felt that his chances of winning the war this way were actually far greater than going against Dumbledore in a one-on-one fight.
It should also be noted that Dumbledore seemed to feel the exact same way about the issue. He never pushed to duel Voldemort either, and focused on defending Hogwarts and directing the activities of The Order of the Phoenix to counter Voldemort’s gang. We can infer that Dumbledore thought that this was his best chance of winning the war, because that’s what he chose to do. Generally, I’d say that the position of Dumbledore, The Order of the Phoenix, and the Ministry of Magic wasn’t so great during the first war…they were losing a lot of people, and though they certainly inflicted some damage to the other side it didn’t seem as extensive.
A final note here is that it’s damn difficult for wizards to meet each other on equal ground to fight a duel. If Voldemort did want to fight a duel with Dumbledore, would he just knock on the door? Dumbledore would have the huge advantage of Hogwart’s defenses to lean against, not to mention quite a few very powerful teachers and an army of students. Likewise it would be very difficult for Dumbledore to catch Voldemort alone or unprotected. He couldn’t just apparate into a Death Eater meeting…he might think he can handle Voldy, but he can’t handle Voldy plus forty Death Eaters! Neither Dumbledore or Voldemort is going to give battle when their opponent has an overwhelming advantage, and it’s hard for wizards to catch either other when that isn’t the case. The duel in the Ministry of Magic was a rare time when they encountered each other and neither had the advantage…although that only lasted a few minutes before the aurors arrived.
So, it was a case of neither Dumbledore nor Voldemort wanting to put such high stakes on one fight, but it’s also a case of it being really hard for either of them to force that fight to happen in circumstances that didn’t give the advantage to the other guy.
I find it profoundly narratively unsatisfying when folks assume Dumbledore would win a fight with Voldemort hands-down. Not only does the text not support that view, but it makes Dumbledore’s comparatively infrequent amount of taking the field himself a really stupid move. If Dumbledore is assured of victory, he should have pressed that advantage far more than it seems he did.
Probably because they both tried to avoid the other at different points during the war. Early on, Voldemort probably avoided any confrontation with Dumbledore out of concern his efforts might end before they really had a chance to begin.
Later in the war, particularly after the first Order of the Phoenix had been decimated, it was probably Professor Dumbledore who was concerned the odds of meeting Voldemort in a singular battle of wands were too precarious to risk a fatal loss.
Voldemort’s fear of Professor Dumbledore is more than just a little exaggerated, considering Voldemort didn’t go anywhere once he knew his old Transfiguration Instructor was on hand at the Ministry of Magic in …Order of the Phoenix.
I would add that Professor Dumbledore was never as confident as the fandom is that he could ultimately defeat Voldemort. And that statement is not made in an attempt to bash Dumbledore, so let’s avoid those comments, if we could.
By the end of the First Wizarding War, Voldemort was running rampant over the magical community and Voldemort’s initial defeat at Godric’s Hollow was a complete surprise to Dumbledore, even if he pieced together how it happened afterwards.
Professor Dumbledore also had other concerns than simply finding Voldemort to duke it out. Specifically, Dumbledore had to think about the safety of his Order members and the magical population in general, so it wasn’t as easy as just dropping everything to go seek out Voldemort.
We can debate who might have won a duel under circumstances minus Harry Potter, but the reality in the wizarding world is that both wizards saw a nemesis who might overcome the other, and, therefore, they both understood that discretion really is the better part valor.
After all, you’re not supposed to go all in on a poker hand unless you know with absolute certainty you’ve got the winning hand. Lesser poker players may try to bluff, but the real professionals play for another hand, and then another after that, until they draw the cards they really want to take you down with.
Both Dumbledore and Voldemort probably never found the circumstances exactly to their liking for such a duel, or else the other always knew better than to confront the one who was in better position.
I think he got Grindelwald complex from him, only known to himself
Voldemort had a child??!! That cursed child crap is not cannon....so when did he have a daughter?
Dumbledore wasn't more powerful than Voldemort. In fact, a very simple "a fortiori" argument proves it:
-Dumbledore's inherent power and talent is so big that he could even defeat another extremely talented wizard who was at the same time using the Elder Wand.
-So, Dumbledore WITH the Elder Wand makes him even more powerful.
-Lord Voldemort tied against him in a duel (in the fifth book), DESPITE the fact that someone as already naturally powerful as Dumbledore was also using the Elder Wand against him.
-Ergo, had he not used the Elder Wand, Voldemort would have very likely killed him.
Dumbles did not seek a direct fight with Voldy, because there was no good that could come out of it. Dumbledore couldn't kill Voldemort, because of the Horcruxes and possibly the prophecy too, so trying to kill him was not an option. And imprisoning him was next to impossible, because if Voldy saw himself losing, he'd just flee the scene. And even if he managed to get him in jail, the Death Eaters would get him out Dumbledore would pretty much have to guard him personally, which is just dumb for a lot of reasons.
So, there was not best case scenario. And the worst case scenario was that Dumbledore was killed, which not only leaves the world unprotected, but also gives Voldemort the Elder Wand.
And this is just regarding a duel. Add the trouble to locate Voldemort, the risk of leaving Hogwarts for too long, and a loooong list of etceteras... and it's just not worth a try.
I mean, by learning everything he could about Voldemort and looking for the horcruxes he was essentially hunting him down, wasn't he?
It is a story so, it kinda feels Dumbledore had also tons of jobs, works and other hobbies as well. Seeing his achievements as a warlock for example.
Only parts of Voldemort the last part of his soul had to be destroyed last
@@Njuregen seeing how Harry Potter and just about everyone else in the HP universe had jobs, hobbies, work, etc thats a sad excuse especially since Dumbledore was defeated in the end. The result is all that matters.
Some jobs are so taxing, involved, & difficult that it’s beyond the scope of one life-time. It’s obvious that Dumbledore cared about the world { not exclusively the Wizard-ing world, but the whole entire world } even when he’d not be inhabiting it. I’ve heard some commenters say: “it was unethical to allow school-kids to be involved with such a dangerous problem.” Well, the problems those kids faced resurfaced while they were very young and still in school. Voldemort’s followers causing death & destruction with no regard for Muggle safety or past agreements. The wizard economy getting messed up, the werewolf (the bad one), all kinds of things that needed the fastidious attention of Wizards of conscience… Dumbledore wasn’t going to live forever: he knew that. And then who would’ve been skilled & brave enough to combat threats ? Certainly not “the proper authorities.” Training up those kids kinda had to be done
@nguyen42120 Dumbledore wasn't defeated. Amazing how you equate sacrificing yourself with actual defeat.
Why didn't Dumbledore go after Voldemort?
1) It would've been difficult to locate Voldemort so while he was searching blindly Voldemort could just go to Hogwarts & hold the students hostage.
2) While Dumbledore suspected Riddle created a Horcrux (or serveal) he wasn't 100% sure without Slughorn's true memory. In the books when the finally see the true memory (and confirmation Riddle created serveal Horcruxes) he then takes action to go after the Locket.
3) Just a bit of guess work on my part, but maybe Dumbledore felt responseable for Tom not growing up the right way. He saw the signs & choose not to act on it (just like with grindelwald). Maybe he felt that he'd just make things worse if he tried to play hero because he's made so many mistakes that lead to misery that he has some form of PTSD. Again not saying its true just some theory crafting.
Didn’t dumbledore in Harry Potter and the chamber of secrets blatantly reveal Voldemort’s location after harry defeated the horcrux
Both felt their chances of winning the war were better if they employed other, less direct, tactics.
Too much is made of Voldemort’s fear of Dumbledore. Yes, he feared losing to Dumbledore, but it wasn’t this overwhelming, paralyzing fear that many people make it out to be. When the opportunity for a duel presented itself in Book 5, Voldy didn’t flinch. And that was on enemy turf with large reinforcements on the way for his opponent! But for Voldemort to not fear Dumbledore at all? Well, that would be the mark of an idiot. Dumbledore may very well be the most powerful wizard of all time, and even wizards who are the absolute prodigies of their generation like McGonagall or Snape pale in comparison to Dumbledore. Voldemort just couldn’t be sure of victory against someone like that.
You see, Dumbledore and Voldemort are the kings on the chessboard of their respective sides. Knock one down, and that one’s side loses. If Voldemort attacks Dumbledore and wins, he’s taken over the Wizarding world in the UK. But if he loses? He’s toast! Dumbledore could potentially capture and imprison him, or Dumbledore might kill him…and remember Voldemort isn’t really sure just yet that his horcruxes work or exactly how they work (even if he had known, being disembodied was pretty terrible for him). In short, it’s a HUGE risk to duel Dumbledore. Instead, Voldemort focused on building up his forces, placing wizards and witches under his control with the imperius curse, and targeted killings against key enemies to weaken the other side. It was actually a pretty effective strategy, and Voldemort may have felt that his chances of winning the war this way were actually far greater than going against Dumbledore in a one-on-one fight.
It should also be noted that Dumbledore seemed to feel the exact same way about the issue. He never pushed to duel Voldemort either, and focused on defending Hogwarts and directing the activities of The Order of the Phoenix to counter Voldemort’s gang. We can infer that Dumbledore thought that this was his best chance of winning the war, because that’s what he chose to do. Generally, I’d say that the position of Dumbledore, The Order of the Phoenix, and the Ministry of Magic wasn’t so great during the first war…they were losing a lot of people, and though they certainly inflicted some damage to the other side it didn’t seem as extensive.
A final note here is that it’s damn difficult for wizards to meet each other on equal ground to fight a duel. If Voldemort did want to fight a duel with Dumbledore, would he just knock on the door? Dumbledore would have the huge advantage of Hogwart’s defenses to lean against, not to mention quite a few very powerful teachers and an army of students. Likewise it would be very difficult for Dumbledore to catch Voldemort alone or unprotected. He couldn’t just apparate into a Death Eater meeting…he might think he can handle Voldy, but he can’t handle Voldy plus forty Death Eaters! Neither Dumbledore or Voldemort is going to give battle when their opponent has an overwhelming advantage, and it’s hard for wizards to catch either other when that isn’t the case. The duel in the Ministry of Magic was a rare time when they encountered each other and neither had the advantage…although that only lasted a few minutes before the aurors arrived.
So, it was a case of neither Dumbledore nor Voldemort wanting to put such high stakes on one fight, but it’s also a case of it being really hard for either of them to force that fight to happen in circumstances that didn’t give the advantage to the other guy.
I find it profoundly narratively unsatisfying when folks assume Dumbledore would win a fight with Voldemort hands-down. Not only does the text not support that view, but it makes Dumbledore’s comparatively infrequent amount of taking the field himself a really stupid move. If Dumbledore is assured of victory, he should have pressed that advantage far more than it seems he did.
Probably because they both tried to avoid the other at different points during the war. Early on, Voldemort probably avoided any confrontation with Dumbledore out of concern his efforts might end before they really had a chance to begin.
Later in the war, particularly after the first Order of the Phoenix had been decimated, it was probably Professor Dumbledore who was concerned the odds of meeting Voldemort in a singular battle of wands were too precarious to risk a fatal loss.
Voldemort’s fear of Professor Dumbledore is more than just a little exaggerated, considering Voldemort didn’t go anywhere once he knew his old Transfiguration Instructor was on hand at the Ministry of Magic in …Order of the Phoenix.
I would add that Professor Dumbledore was never as confident as the fandom is that he could ultimately defeat Voldemort. And that statement is not made in an attempt to bash Dumbledore, so let’s avoid those comments, if we could.
By the end of the First Wizarding War, Voldemort was running rampant over the magical community and Voldemort’s initial defeat at Godric’s Hollow was a complete surprise to Dumbledore, even if he pieced together how it happened afterwards.
Professor Dumbledore also had other concerns than simply finding Voldemort to duke it out. Specifically, Dumbledore had to think about the safety of his Order members and the magical population in general, so it wasn’t as easy as just dropping everything to go seek out Voldemort.
We can debate who might have won a duel under circumstances minus Harry Potter, but the reality in the wizarding world is that both wizards saw a nemesis who might overcome the other, and, therefore, they both understood that discretion really is the better part valor.
After all, you’re not supposed to go all in on a poker hand unless you know with absolute certainty you’ve got the winning hand. Lesser poker players may try to bluff, but the real professionals play for another hand, and then another after that, until they draw the cards they really want to take you down with.
Both Dumbledore and Voldemort probably never found the circumstances exactly to their liking for such a duel, or else the other always knew better than to confront the one who was in better position.
2 is incorrect. Dumbledore definitely knew he had created horcruxes. The Slughorn memory was to see how many.
PTSD doesn’t exist in the wizardry world
Imo it makes sense, Dumbledore knew Voldemort was powerful but he was largely in the dark about just how powerful, so he tried to study him and play the long game rather than risk defeat. I think some people in the comments forget just how powerful Voldemort was. Dumbledore wasn’t scared of him as such but he was very aware that if there was anyone who could potentially defeat him it was Voldemort. Even if Voldemort never reached Dumbledores power - he certainly got close.
Realistically Voldemort had the advantage because he was the one on the attack and the one hiding not to mention basically immortal due to Horcruxes.
Dumbledore remained at Hogwarts and was not hiding at all. I mean anybody realizing Dumbledore took a leave from the school would immediately alert Voldemort that he should hide himself.
Dumbledore most likely would win in a duel but this is not everything. Solo dumbledore can t beat the 20 guys in the corner ready to kill him if he manages to beat Voldemort enough.
As for Aurors and others fighters forget it they either all sucked or there was no emphasis on them. I mean lord of darkness and literally 3 random kids and a few other people are trying to stop him but nobody else. Feels weird man.
I personally think that Riddle was more powerful/skilled than Dumbledore tbh. They pretty much dueled eachother to a stalemate and Voldemort actually would've killed him if Fawkes hadn't swallowed a killing curse to save Dumbles. Knowing that Dumbledore had the elder wand at the time makes it even more likely that Riddle was the more powerful one of the two.
@@SimplymeSVEN18Dumbledore was not even duelling he was just taking time so that ministry should arrive there. Dumbledore had all the answers to voldemort's spells, this shows that he is way stronger than voldemort it just that he never showed his true power. I even think Grindelwald was more powerful than voldemort. Voldemort was just more scary that's it he lost to Harry. Grindelwald lost to the best wizard that is Dumbledore and the fact that Grindelwald had total control over the elder wand while voldemort could not have any control over it and Dumbledore keeping possession of the wand for so long shows that Dumbledore and Grindelwald were powerful than voldemort, he had horcruxes that protected him. Dumbledore and Grindelwald never needed horcruxes since they were so powerful themselves
@@vipulsehgal5923 That would make Dumbledore either an idiot or suicidal. In no way, shape or form would making the ministry realise he's back be worth potentially losing the most powerful wizard on their side over. And make no mistake, if not for Fawkes Dumbles would've died during their duel at the ministry. Especially foolish considering the ministry was pretty much already in Voldemort's pocket anyway and it wouldn't have changed a thing. Voldemort was defeated by an ancient peace of magic not even Dumbledore properly understood. The only reason Voldemort didn't become the master of the Elder Wand is because he didn't kill/defeat its previous owner which through luck/happenstance was Draco. Before Harry disarmed him at Malfoy manor and earned the allegiance of the wand for some reason. Voldemort ended up killing Snape since he figured he was its master due to killing Dumbledore; except he wasn't since Dumbles was disarmed by Draco minutes before that which nobody knew about as there were no witnesses except Harry. Harry himself as a wizard was...forgetable. Everything he achieved was, as Minerva put it, plain dumb luck. His mother's sacrifice, the twin wand cores, great sidekicks and the Elder wand not wanting to harm its actual master are the reasons why Voldemort lost from him. Voldemort also didn't need hocruxes to be powerful either, he just needed them to live forever and cheat death and technically they didn't do anything, because the only time they were used was when an unknown ancient piece of sacrificial magic nobody was aware of bounced his killing curse back at him. Grindelwald is not as powerful as Dumbledore who is not as powerful as Voldemort going off of what we know. Dumbles retained mastery of the wand for as long as he did by sending (ex)students to fight his battles for him. Did he even participate during any fights in the first wizarding war? Fairly sure he didn't or it's highly likely he'd have lost the allegiance of the wand at some point. Also nobody knew he had the Elder Wand so nobody tried to take it from him.
@@SimplymeSVEN18 bro if Voldemort was stronger the elder wand will choose him automatically, anyway harry potter is full with plot holes and this is one of them
Dumbledore didnt hunt down Voldemort so Harry could earn 10 billion dollars worldwide hunting him
Whatever the goal, the mean deserves to be looked at. Studying how the author dealt with a side character too powerful a foe for the archenemy is interesting, and that was quite smartly done.
Wasn't Harry just the offspring of the rich jock?
Another reason that Albus Dumbledore didn’t go looking for Voldemort is that he didn’t want to risk the chance that he could be overmatched and defeated. Doing so would put the mastery of the Elder Wand at risk. Something he was certain the Dark Lord was interested in possessing.
Dumbledore knew from experience that the Elder Wand was not unbeatable, nor did it guarantee victory. The possibility of both himself dead and Voldemort in full possession of the Death Stick was not a risk I believe Albus was willing to take.
Wasn’t the elder wand supposed to be unbeatable in a duel? I mean yes it could be stolen or he could have been killed in his sleep but ultimately the elder wand made the user invincible while dueling
@@Aye_its_Kiel tell that to Gellert Grindelwald. Who lost that duel with Albus Dumbledore again?
Dumbledore could have taken the post of Minister of Magic and then would have had its power and the Order of the Phoenix to take out Voldemort.
He had the power and opportunity to rid the world of the dark lord, but chose not to do so. He took out Grindelwald so it’s not like he is willing to save the world. This is out of character for him. It does not make sense to me why he wouldn’t have take the more direct path, even if temporally remove the world of this danger.
@@dquan731it’s not out of character he was afraid of taking the post because of the amount of power he would get from being minister. He chose instead to be headmaster
@@dquan731 iirc it was because he feared the power would get to him
Dumbledore: My schedule is completely full. Too many complaining parents.
I think that Voldemort himself was not keen to duel with Dumbledore. He was known to be scared of Dumbledore and never sought a fight with Dumbledore till he was forced into it at the ministry. And during that duel, Dumbledores main goal was to keep Voldemort in the ministry long enough to have ministry officials see him.
People saw Voldemort before that anyway, watch the order of the Phoenix again he is at the train station when everybody is boarding the hogwarts express
@@DontBeAWollyy that’s just in Harry’s head
@@kingorange7739 source?
@@DontBeAWollyy literally in Order of the Phoenix itself. It establishes that a mental connection has occurred between Harry and Voldemort
@@DontBeAWollyy Seriously this is obvious to anyone who pays attention.
I mean... it was not that simple.
Voldemort wasn't just your ordinary villain that just wanted to control everything or see the world burn. He was more of a Thanos kind of villain. His theory was solid and it went something like this:
"Muggles have been killing us for centuries, burned us on stakes, envied us for our knowledge and in the end, hunted us to the point where we had to go into hiding forever. So much so, that we are now literally a victorian outdated relic. Aditionally, they don't use pitchforks and torches anymore. They pride themselves on their technology and firearms. If they wanted, they could obliterate us with a few bombs. All of this just because we had a gift they did not undrestand. Now... you want to allow the Ministry to teach magic to muggles and let them mix with us? Sure, be my guest. We'll end up being extinct in less than 10 years."
And this convinced a lot of people. Had Dumbledore killed him, it would've turned him into a martir. People had to see the horrors of his ideas first hand and understand he was just a nazi-ish xenophobe, hungry for power and he cared for nobody else than for himself. His ideas had to die with him... otherwise, the next Slytherin with racist tendencies would've been just arround the corner.
Dumbledore's age was also called into question as well during the series. While his mind was still clear and quick, his body no doubt had degraded from an extraordinarily long life of well over 100 years. And while being a wizard may have saved him from some of the drawbacks of age, I doubt it blocked all. Being light of foot and having stamina seems to play a part in wizarding battles. While Dumbledore may have to slog through a mountain of Death Eaters to get after The Dark Lord, Voldemort, on the other hand, is fresh out of the grave and ready for the smoke.
The difference in power and skill between him and most of the deatheaters is so enormous it won't matter much I'd say. Bellatrix will obviously offer a lot of resistance but she is not on his level.
Voldermort is outmatched as well and it will go pretty much as it did in the book if you ask me.
Voldermort and Bellatrix are both not oppose to cutting their losses and taking off, voldermort is a coward.
@@QenaitheCustodianGuardhe won in the book. Wtf are you on about, seriously?
@@GreatSeo that's what I said though, wtf you on about, seriously?
"wtf you on about, seriously?" he asked calmly. :)
@@QenaitheCustodianGuard Voldemort conjured the fire snake as a way to distract Dumbledore so he could make a surprise attack. Without Fawkes he would have hit Dumbledore.
After the prophecy I understood why dumbledore chose not to seek out voldy. Before it it might be because he is better off protecting others or that he should not go after Voldemort after the duel or that Voldemort would not be defeated.
'You flatter me.' Dumbledore said calmly
Dumbledore did go after Voldemort for years, amassing more knowledge about Riddle than anyone else. He was searching for all of his Horcruxes which would’ve been the only way to beat him.
It also meant that, at some point, Albus would have to let Riddle “kill” Harry to remove that last horcrux.
Had Dumbledore not been cursed with the ring, he would’ve probably helped Harry destroy the remaining horcruxes before going after Voldy.
This is strategic genius at its best, rather than running in all smashy-smashy like a Marvel movie.
Lastly, Dumbledore could not have imprisoned Voldemort successfully. Grindelwald had lost all of his followers when he was imprisoned. Do you really think Death Eaters wouldn’t have broken him out, specially with Dementors on their side?
Dumbledore had the plan he had, because that was the only plan that would’ve worked permanently.
When Dumbledore showed a short look of triumph, after learning that Voldemort had used Harry's blood to recreate his body, Dumbledore knew then that that horacrux could be destroyed without Harry dying (he was specific to Snape that voldy had to be the one to do it, so he knew what would happen ahead of time)..... it was the one reservation about the whole plan he laid out, since he did not want Harry to die, but Voldemort went and did the one missing element needed to complete the plan. That was the moment Dumbledore knew he had won, he was so far ahead of everyone.
yes.
Dumbledore was making Voldemort Côme to him. That way Dumbledore would be in control of the field. Voldemort would Côme for Harry Potter
@@brandoncaswell5907 the fact that Voldemort should be the one who killed harry is because in that way he will kill himself inside the Harry's body and not harry... But anyway harry potter is trash and a lot of things don't make sense like most of the things
@@properburgerpizza7805 But in using his mothers blood to remake his body, it kept his mothers protection intact ... without that part, Harry would have died (actually died, not temp), with the part of Voldemorts soul, when he tried to kill him in the forest. Dumbledore directly explained that part, in the Kings cross scene.
No book or movie is without all kinds of plot holes .... The harry potter books are actually better than most in this regard, since alot of the problems ended up being actually part of the plot later.
I always thought it was because the prophecy named Harry as the only one with the power to vanquish the dark lord---the only person who stood a chance of defeating Voldemort, and thus Dumbledore knew it was not his own destiny to destroy Voldemort, but instead, Harry's....So he sought instead to protect, teach, guide and ...well...manipulate harry into the path that would best-ensure he had the tools and the will power and selflessness needed to defeat voldemort once and for all...
Well Voldemort was a threat for years before the prophecy was spoken
He was protecting Harry as he had already heard the prophecy & knew the only way to defeat Voldermort. He didn't know why but trusted in it. Later being proven right as he found out about the Horcruxes.
I understand that about the second ww , but in the first ww , why didn't dumbledore hunt him then or just imprison all the death eathers
@@nemanjap8768 I haven't read of the first ww in a while but I think the first war involved a lot more people & a lot of death eaters so my assumption is that most teachers would've been restricted to their schools defence so that no students could've been taken and used as bargaining chips, recruited or tortured etc.
Voldermort was also still scared of Dumbledore at this time, meaning that Hogwarts remained untouched.
Also protocol. The world didn't know how dangerous Voldermort was so it was up to the Aurors & Ministry to handle it. Dumbledore did create the Order to help but having the legend who defeated Grindlewald 1v1 to go for Voldermort would've added to his fame & caused mass panic prematurely.
@N P C okay but first ww lasted like 7 years , surely after few years dumbledore starts doing more
@@nemanjap8768 politics. We saw how much they restricted movements in book 5 & that was during a calmer time.
Dumbledores post as headmaster isn't time dependant like that. 7 years or 20. That was his post & voldermort was a big threat to the students.also voldermorts first act was to try and get a job at hogwarts. Dumbledore knew there was a significant reason for that. Another reason to hold down the fort.
@@Zdahszdahs apparently Voldemort got nicked for crimes against underage wizards which stayed on his record hence why when his CRB check came back from the ministry he wasn’t allowed to work at hogwarts or be within kids
For all of Voldemort’s megalomania, he went about his business incredibly well for a supervillain. He did not engage in fruitless and dangerous endeavours, like going after Dumbledore for example. His patience is remarkable, even by fictional standards. It is actually why Voldemort is so dangerous. His patience.
Dumbledore was never alone. He had competent people who worked with him. He could have done a lot more before Voldemort ever returned from his first death but he didn't. One of Dumbledore's greatest problems is he always kept his suspicions and ideas to himself. He never tried to get help from his friends and allies. All the deaths of the Second War need not happen. His own issues were not needing to hunt Voldemort down but putting a stop to how he became immortal.
Maybe he just didn’t trust anyone
@@joelhinchliffe4119 And that's the problem. He took on too much himself. And others followed him but never pushed him when needed. They had faith in him, but they never realized despite the power and skill Dumbledore was just a man. One who needed help himself.
I’ve always wondered this. He would crush Voldy. Even if not permanently, it would give him time to chase down the horcruxes.
NGL I always wondered about this too
Yes, every Harry Potter fan has probably wondered this at some point. But in the end we all learned it was not something one man, even Albus Dumbledore could do alone.
It wouldn't, Voldemort can't die so he wouldn't be able to kill him. Remember Voldemort was only defeated and disembodied because of a powerful ancient magic he wasn't prepared for. Had it not destroyed his body, he would have survived and continued on. Being his near equal, Dumbledore wouldn't of been able to do the same thing to Voldemort as the loving protection spell did.
i never wondered it because he did hunt Voldemort.
Not without knowing how much Horcruxes had to be found (As told that's only known after the memory from Slughorn was taken.) From that point they (Albus AND HArry went hubnting for those....soon ending in the defeat of Albus in the tower.
And of coarse Albus had already destroyed the ring....Harry ( very early) the little diary. So for sure 2 horcruxes were down. 5 to go (plus the piece of soul latched to Harry as last horcrux)
And ONLY Lord Voldemort could destroy that piece of soul connected to Harry without killing the boy.
It's such a beautiful thing that Harry always aspired to be like Dumbledore and Dumbledore wished he was more like Harry!
If Dumbledore hunted Voldemort, we wouldn't have gotten the story we got.
No we probably would have gotten a more adult story about an actual Hearo going after Voldemort rather than a child that was groomed to do so. Maybe as kids the latter is a more romanticised stories to read. But as an adult, I prefer the former.
Probably because they both tried to avoid the other at different points during the war. Early on, Voldemort probably avoided any confrontation with Dumbledore out of concern his efforts might end before they really had a chance to begin.
Later in the war, particularly after the first Order of the Phoenix had been decimated, it was probably Professor Dumbledore who was concerned the odds of meeting Voldemort in a singular battle of wands were too precarious to risk a fatal loss.
Voldemort’s fear of Professor Dumbledore is more than just a little exaggerated, considering Voldemort didn’t go anywhere once he knew his old Transfiguration Instructor was on hand at the Ministry of Magic in …Order of the Phoenix.
I would add that Professor Dumbledore was never as confident as the fandom is that he could ultimately defeat Voldemort. And that statement is not made in an attempt to bash Dumbledore, so let’s avoid those comments, if we could.
By the end of the First Wizarding War, Voldemort was running rampant over the magical community and Voldemort’s initial defeat at Godric’s Hollow was a complete surprise to Dumbledore, even if he pieced together how it happened afterwards.
Professor Dumbledore also had other concerns than simply finding Voldemort to duke it out. Specifically, Dumbledore had to think about the safety of his Order members and the magical population in general, so it wasn’t as easy as just dropping everything to go seek out Voldemort.
We can debate who might have won a duel under circumstances minus Harry Potter, but the reality in the wizarding world is that both wizards saw a nemesis who might overcome the other, and, therefore, they both understood that discretion really is the better part valor.
After all, you’re not supposed to go all in on a poker hand unless you know with absolute certainty you’ve got the winning hand. Lesser poker players may try to bluff, but the real professionals play for another hand, and then another after that, until they draw the cards they really want to take you down with.
Both Dumbledore and Voldemort probably never found the circumstances exactly to their liking for such a duel, or else the other always knew better than to confront the one who was in better position.
Well the Harry Potter books were originally intentioned for younger readers, so there is that.
1:50 it was said of Dumbledore and Grindelwald that they pushed each other constantly to new heights, each drawing out from the other only the finest and best of their power (paraphrased)
GREAT Video as already!!! Spot on actually!! Thank You
Because they are both the leaders of their respective factions, and they both stand to lose everything if a fight goes the wrong way. For Voldemort, he risks losing everything he cares about: himself and his powers, even if it's only temporary. Not to mention that Voldemort straight up tells us that his experience when he failed to kill Harry as a baby was pure agony, followed by 13 years of semi-existence as something like a ghost plus a little more. So even if he believes that he would survive falling again, it would still be a tremendously painful experience. Not to mention the fact that if he were to fall again, them that would likely do a lot of damage to both his reputation and influence over others. If someone dies and then comes back, that's pretty scary, but if that same guy manages to get himself "killed" a second time, then it just makes him look like he's so prone to getting his ass kicked over and over again that the universe keeps sending him back to get the floor mopped with his face. Though I think that the primary concern for him is just avoiding his own personal suffering. He thinks he's an immortal godlike figure, so even if every one of his supporters were killed or left him, that wouldn't represent anything more than a few years' worth of setbacks in his plans for eternity.
If _Dumbledore_ were defeated at a time that was not planned for, then the effects would be much worse. Even when Dumbledore arranged his own death, we see that the consequences are swift and catastrophic. The ministry falls, members of the order have to go into hiding, many hundreds or thousands of muggles, muggle-borns, and "blood traitors" are hunted down and slaughtered for fun. And even for the pure-bloods, unless they are full-blown supporters of him, their lives become pretty miserable, too. We see opportunists like Umbridge take advantage of the situation to seek personal power and terrorize regular people for the sake of enforcing their will. Draconian policies arise that suck the fun and life out of everything, creating a society that is based on fear and paranoia.
Ultimately, it leads to a world where anyone who is against this new order is forced into such a level of hiding and that coordinating any sort of meaningful opposition becomes all but impossible. The reason that North Koreans don't overthrow their government isn't because everyone up there likes their way of life, it's because the government literally makes it impossible for everyday people to meet up and even _hint_ that they might be a little annoyed with the way things are without risking that not only _they_ might wind up tortured, starved, and worked to death in a concentration camp, but also that their entire extended family, close friends, neighbors, and unborn children might also wind up meeting the same fate. What we see in book 7 hasn't _quite_ gotten to that level, _yet,_ but it's very clear that this is the level of oppression that Voldemort's reign is _rapidly_ racing to achieve. The Battle of Hogwarts was _truly_ the desperate last stand for the opposition. Everyone knew that they likely would never, ever have another chance to make a stand, and that if they failed then the door would close _forever_ on taking out Voldemort.
_THIS_ is why Dumbledore knew that seeking out Voldemort on his own was so reckless that he couldn't even consider it. Harry would _eventually_ be the one to kill Voldemort, but the prophecy says nothing about the role he himself would play in it, and at the time he knew that he was the linchpin holding everything together. He accepts his fate and plans for a victory scenario after his own death, but only when his own death becomes inevitable. Until his hand got cursed, I assume that he was going to continue taking on as much of the responsibility of defeating Voldemort as possible. He may have even been planning to fight side-by-side with Harry, or to even just fight Voldemort himself and then have Harry deliver the final, killing blow. Who knows what he was planning before he was given a time limit? What I do know is that he likely would have tried to buy Harry as much time as he could and set up every possible advantage he could to prepare for Harry's inevitable fight with Voldemort, and these plans almost certainly revolved around him being alive for as long as possible to make these things happen.
The fact that he showed up at the ministry to save Harry is a testament to the level of immediate danger that he knew he was in. He _knew_ that the only person more important to the cause than himself was in immediate, mortal peril. He knew that Harry _would become_ more important to defeating Voldemort than himself, but he also knew that Harry was not ready. With Harry Potter's death, the thread of prophecy would be severed, and he would be unable to restore a saved game to restore the weave of fate, and the thought of persisting in the doomed world that Harry's death would create was enough to make him risk absolutely everything he had spent decades fighting for ( :3 )
He didn't hunt him because the last dark wizard he fought he didn't know who killed his sister. Different tactics different powers . There were only 20 odd years between fight Grindelwald and Voldemorts rise to power.twenty years where Dumbledore had the elder wand and learned a lot . It was shortly after beating Grindelwald he met young tom riddle . He'd already met and beat a dark wizard . This time chose different tactics
Also, had Voldemort defeated Dumbledore he would have been the true master of the elder wand. So not only would Dumbledore not be there to give Voldemort pause but Voldemort would have been the true master of the most powerful wand in the world. That is a truly frightening thought.
Because ‘Harry Potter and the boring year at school while the Headmaster fixes everything’ doesn’t make billions
Dumbl wanted everyone else to do the hard work/ make whatever sacrifices necessary. He only got hurt because his greed & pride to use the resurrection stone beat out any wise decision making. Being painfully long term hurt and dying anyway he chose a death that would be good for the newspaper & his being "merlin 2.0"
I think Dumbledore as brilliant as he was is just not a warrior and that he was hesitant to directly intervene because of the what happened with his sister. He fears having power or being a leader. He only as last resort steps in. Everyone trusted Dumbledore but he never really trusted himself. From my view, a lot of what he does during the time of Voldemort's first defeat is to set things up for Harry and to encourage others to stand up and fight for their world against those like the Death Eaters and supporters. Dumbledore knew that Harry would take care of Tom Riddle while he seem to focus more on the Wizarding society.
That Option would not be a permanent solution. He would still life. He can definitely break out of askaban, as even dumbledore joked how pointless it would be. And he also has so many followers who would look for him, especially in this scenario, as they know that voldemort actually lives.
Even D dont want to kill him, V will not live. Consider the crime he did, the magic world would ask for execution, and this time, the human right orginazation would not stand out.
And D will still searching for the Horcruxs.
@@jerrychen4348 what? Can you give a better response?
@@djb9267 i'm combining fiction with real world. 😁
@@jerrychen4348 even if he was executed, he would still live. It wouldn't erase the problem.
@@djb9267 yes, D still need to find the Horcruxs, but without V take over the ministry, killing muggle, threating wizard world in the process.
It is interesting to think of how Dumbledore eventually gave up his pursuit of power which he had sought so fervently during his youth and instead directed it towards doing what was right, as he likewise encouraged others, to “do what is right, not what is easy.” This is merely another theory, but I believe that Newt Scamander is largely responsible for turning Dumbledore away from the pursuit of power by the example he set in his own life. As quoted in the Crimes of Grindelwald, Dumbledore remarks, “You know what I admire about you Newt; perhaps more than any other man I know? You do not seek power or popularity, you simply ask is a thing right in itself; that is you do it no matter the cost.”
Probably because they both tried to avoid the other at different points during the war. Early on, Voldemort probably avoided any confrontation with Dumbledore out of concern his efforts might end before they really had a chance to begin.
Later in the war, particularly after the first Order of the Phoenix had been decimated, it was probably Professor Dumbledore who was concerned the odds of meeting Voldemort in a singular battle of wands were too precarious to risk a fatal loss.
Voldemort’s fear of Professor Dumbledore is more than just a little exaggerated, considering Voldemort didn’t go anywhere once he knew his old Transfiguration Instructor was on hand at the Ministry of Magic in …Order of the Phoenix.
I would add that Professor Dumbledore was never as confident as the fandom is that he could ultimately defeat Voldemort. And that statement is not made in an attempt to bash Dumbledore, so let’s avoid those comments, if we could.
By the end of the First Wizarding War, Voldemort was running rampant over the magical community and Voldemort’s initial defeat at Godric’s Hollow was a complete surprise to Dumbledore, even if he pieced together how it happened afterwards.
Professor Dumbledore also had other concerns than simply finding Voldemort to duke it out. Specifically, Dumbledore had to think about the safety of his Order members and the magical population in general, so it wasn’t as easy as just dropping everything to go seek out Voldemort.
We can debate who might have won a duel under circumstances minus Harry Potter, but the reality in the wizarding world is that both wizards saw a nemesis who might overcome the other, and, therefore, they both understood that discretion really is the better part valor.
After all, you’re not supposed to go all in on a poker hand unless you know with absolute certainty you’ve got the winning hand. Lesser poker players may try to bluff, but the real professionals play for another hand, and then another after that, until they draw the cards they really want to take you down with.
Both Dumbledore and Voldemort probably never found the circumstances exactly to their liking for such a duel, or else the other always knew better than to confront the one who was in better position.
This one I don't understand.
Did you miss the fact that dumbledore frequently used Harry as BAIT.
He did hunt voldemort down and his every action was intended to first undo his immortality and then end him.
He even sacrificed his own life to put it into motion.
Why did Dumbledore need Harry to get the memory from slughorn? “Only you Harry, An under age wizard can get one of your teachers super drunk and take advantage of him”.
I think the Prophecy in the world of Harry Potter is more akin to David Eddings version in The Belgariad etc. Prophecy was the power that pushed events along....but...the outcome of Light vs Dark was not a forgone conclusion. Either could still win.
So, in HP...you have the twin cores....which evens out enemies in a way that undermines Voldemort's huge knowledge, power, and skill advantages.
And...it SEEMS that Harry side steps defeat in ways that are unexplainable....such as the golden magic defense when Harry was barely conscious...etc.
Dumbledore equals the weight of this prophecy to mirror the weight Voldemort did; that it removes the possibility of victory is certain. Dumbledore could not defeat Voldemort AND prophecy at the same time...
So, Dumbledore builds his ultimate weapon and aim it directly at Voldemort....
Harry Potter.
Another brilliant video. Thank you!
It did cross my mind- but the prophecy was the number reason in my mind that Dumbledore would not have ever tried to defeat him …. Though I did wonder about why he never used a time turner to go back and kill him as a much younger less powerful wizard in Voldemort’s youth… but I also think- that would be a very difficult task for someone to do mentally- killing a youth to protect the future… not so sure I could do it!
yeah knnowing dumbledore, he would definitely not kill a child even if it is the voldemort himself
in original series time turner can't change the past.
If Dumbledore went after Voldemort, even if more powerful, there is a chance Voldemort would be victorious. Therefore, best let a teenager face him instead.
Dumbledore secretly suffered of “Yoda syndrome”😂
I love ur in-depth descriptions I’ve only watched the movies so I’m in the dark on a lot of the book lore but I’ve only played like 2 Harry Potter games but I never beat them cuz I was a little to young so ur videos definitely shine a light on the areas that I was in the dark in💪🏾
I was disappointed a bit I admit. Because you were talking about why Dumbledore didn't directly faced Voldemort when the latter was at his strongest. I was talking about- Why didn't Dumbledore tracked down Voldemort in Albania and captured him? It would have been a lot easier in such a scenario. Think about it- Dumbledore finds Voldemort in the forest shortly after his downfall. Lock him up in a magical prison for 17 years until Harry is of age with magical knowledge. In the mean time they find and destroy the Horcruxes+Nagini never become one if Voldemort doesn't return. And after all of the Horcruxes are destroyed when Voldemort can't fight back Harry kills him. Which means Sirius is alive, Remus is alive and everybody else is alive. Peter goes to Azkaban to replace Sirius. No Voldemort also means no escaped DE and no ability to return to power. And Barty Crouch Jr. is kept enslaved under his father.
Dumbledore did not know Voldemort had made horcruxes at that time. He first began to suspect it when he got the dairy from Harry.
@@MagusMortloch Okay fair enough. But he still had time to screw Voldemort before he returned to power and didn't do it. But that doesn't change the fact he knew Voldemort is alive somewhere. So even without the Horcrux issue he could have get a hold on him. Like Rita Repulsa was prisoned until she was accidentally released.
@@eranshachar9954 Dumbledore knew Voldemort could never be defeated by normal means. Voldemort was the most powerful dark wizard of all time who had lost so much of his humanity that many believed he was still alive after his first fall because he was to inhuman to die.
It would've been more humane for Harry as well. I mean… Harry could have been raised by a loving family whether they were his family or not. He could have been protected from being abused as a child. He could have been given choices and just raised like a normal kid and then been given the choice when he was old enough to make it rather than it being raised as a pig for slaughter. Harry would have gone through a lot less trauma. Harry would have been a true hero and not the victim of child exploitation. Remember, Dumbledore made these decisions. Dumbledore didn't go after Voldemort when the latter was at his weakest. Dumbledore subjected to Harry to so much trauma that Harry should never have been subjected to. The way he treated Harry is not the way you treat a piece on your chest board. Dumbledore could have done so much and he didn't. The man was just a cruel coward if you ask me, he just knew how to mask it in a very cleverly crafted cloak of benevolence.
@@milanka882 Oh yes I agree. This is why I wrote this because it made me so angry he just did nothing. Dumbledore was morally grey. These choices were the black part of him. And also the way he treated his brother and sister. But he is not totally black as he did a lot trying to fix his mistakes.
Like you say he treated Harry not just like a Pig for slaughter but also as a Chess piece. Absolutely horrific. When it comes to defeating your enemy there shouldn't be any fairness. Capturing Voldemort in his weakest would have been the best option, but this is not how Dumbledore's mind worked. In the books I was angry at him more than in the movies. The movies were too gentle with him. Excluding GOF when they idiotically made him angry the whole film.
Magical powerhouses akin to nuclear deterrents. Makes sense, losing either voldy or dumbly would upset the power balance. Both had to be killed off to keep the balance. Wish we could do that with the global nuclear stockpiles.
What doesn't make sense to me is how Dumbledore couldn't convince the ministry to hunt down and destroy his horcruxes after book 2. He could have shown them Harry and Ginny's memories and what was left of the diary.
You think it would have been wise for Dumbledore to tell the corrupt Ministry? lol Maybe because ex deatheaters worked in the Ministry, and even though Lucious got booted from the board of governors after book 2, he still had considerable influence in the Ministry, and over the Minister of Magic. Telling the Ministry anything like that would have resulted in Voldermort knowing as soon as he got back, which means he would have plenty of time to move all of his horcruxes. It would have destroyed any chance of defeating Voldermort.
Even after harry saw voldemort fudge didn't believe him. I highly doubt he would believe Ginny or anyone else.
Dumbledore also didn't know how many Horcruxes were created nor did he know what items they were. It took years of research between the point that he knew Voldemort had created a horcrux to the point where he found and destroyed the ring.
Dumbledore knew he was powerful enough to defeat Voldemort, but he didn’t want his ambitions and his newfound power, since obtaining the Elder Wand, to corrupt his desire to do good. He also had unresolved burdens created by his relationships with Grindelwald, his brother Aberforth and his late sister, Ariana. In other words, Dumbledore believed that only someone that is pure of heart can truly defeat Voldemort. Someone like Harry Potter. ⚡️
It sounds like you are talking about the One Ring, not the Elder Wand. Nothing about the Elder Wand in the books indicates that it corrupts the user.
@@bjames1812, the Elder Wand doesn’t inherently corrupt the user like the One Ring did. Dumbledore feared, given his past with Grindelwald and his quest for the Deathly Hallows, his character would be diminished, contradicting his own values that he instilled in the hearts of the students at Hogwarts. 🧙♂️
Dumbledore knew how power changed people and could even change him.....
Nah. Voldemort was more powerful than him. He won the duel while dumbledore had the elder wand. I don't get why people all of a sudden think dumbledore was so much more powerful. Best case scenario they,re equals
@GreatSeo Since when did Voldy win in a duel against Albus? 😂 If it's about the Duel in the Ministry, Albus wanted Voldemort to stay longer for the ministry to arrive so they [the Ministry] will see it for themselves that Voldy was back. Albus was toyying him in the Ministry, protecting Harry, pinning Bellatrix down, apparating from point-to-point, blocking spells, etc. 😂😂😂
“When you fight monsters be careful not to become a monster”
Dumbledore was honestly teetering before Grindlewald, and only by seeing the depths of what his friend/lover had become before their duel did he choose differently.
I think the best answer is that dumbledoor was aware that facing Voldemort was a very risky gamble for very little gain. If he wins Voldemort is either dead temporarily, or imprisoned temporarily. Unlike Grindalwald, Voldemort has a cult of following that stays loyal through rise and fall, and to imprison him or kill him is basically to punt the issue down the road. Dumbledoors highest odds gambling are to follow the prophecy, because he still can attempt the other things, just on the defensive instead of offensive. How many times did he get in the way and threat plans, simply because he had the privilege of reacting. If I’m up 4 points in a football game, I can play soft defense because you have to get into the end zone to win. That’s dumbledoor. For Voldemort to ever win, he has to get Harry, dumbledoor essentially has the lead and has to wait out the clock for Harry to grow strong enough to win. It’s like being in a boss fight where the boss has an invulnerability skill, or a regen skill. Do you attack the boss during that? Knowing it’s pointless? No you don’t. You wait it out and dodge, and once you can win, you win.
My theory on this was dumbledore figured out about Voldemort’s immortality long at like in first wizarding war. But had no clue what it was until chamber of secrets with the first horcrux, then his suspicious was confirmed with slughorns memory. If all of that is true dumbledore was playing 4d chess. He knew he could never kill Voldemort and if he imprisoned him chances are he would escape or would be broken out just making the support for him more. And or one curse and the rebellion against dumbledore could crumble with his own death. Knowing all of that he strategically never went after voldy until he knew what kind of magic he was dealing with and sadly he had put on the ring before hand. He had prepared harry as a back up plan in case he would fail and the ring horcrux insured that he would not live long enough to directly take out voldy. Harry was always the backup plan not the first option , if he had the never been taken out by the ring he would have hunted the horcrux himself but he had to rush his secondary plan out because of his own recklessness
The reason why dumbledore didnt hunt down Voldemort is because no matter what happens he’d still find a way to give griffindor 10 points.
Dumbledore knew he could best Voldemort in an honest 1v1, however he had the humility and wisdom to heed the words of the prophesy which insinuated that he would lose. More than likely he would lose through some underhanded way, but a loss is a loss when dealing with a snake. Knowing his loss would result in the transfer of loyalty of the elder wand, which would only make Voldemort even harder to defeat, he instead chose to operate as a learner and in time a teacher instead of as a warrior. This completes his character arc from his youth where he believed in the utilization of power to enact one’s will.
I love this 'power corrupts' theme.
Maybe just going out there and defeating Voldemort would be a more objective approach, but he knew that power was his weakness.
Probably because they both tried to avoid the other at different points during the war. Early on, Voldemort probably avoided any confrontation with Dumbledore out of concern his efforts might end before they really had a chance to begin.
Later in the war, particularly after the first Order of the Phoenix had been decimated, it was probably Professor Dumbledore who was concerned the odds of meeting Voldemort in a singular battle of wands were too precarious to risk a fatal loss.
Voldemort’s fear of Professor Dumbledore is more than just a little exaggerated, considering Voldemort didn’t go anywhere once he knew his old Transfiguration Instructor was on hand at the Ministry of Magic in …Order of the Phoenix.
I would add that Professor Dumbledore was never as confident as the fandom is that he could ultimately defeat Voldemort. And that statement is not made in an attempt to *bash* Dumbledore, so let’s avoid those comments, if we could.
By the end of the First Wizarding War, Voldemort was running rampant over the magical community and Voldemort’s initial defeat at Godric’s Hollow was a complete surprise to Dumbledore, even if he pieced together how it happened afterwards.
Professor Dumbledore also had other concerns than simply finding Voldemort to duke it out. Specifically, Dumbledore had to think about the safety of his Order members and the magical population in general, so it wasn’t as easy as just dropping everything to go seek out Voldemort.
We can debate who might have won a duel under circumstances minus Harry Potter, but the reality in the wizarding world is that both wizards saw a nemesis who might overcome the other, and, therefore, they both understood that discretion really is the better part valor.
After all, you’re not supposed to go all in on a poker hand unless you know with absolute certainty you’ve got the winning hand. Lesser poker players may try to bluff, but the real professionals play for another hand, and then another after that, until they draw the cards they really want to take you down with.
Both Dumbledore and Voldemort probably never found the circumstances exactly to their liking for such a duel, or else the other always knew better than to confront the one who was in better position.
I think you could some up why Dumbledore never defeated Voldemort all went after him in one sentence. Dumbledore was a child exploiting, child grooming arsehole who was really only concerned with his own power and image. He was Machiavellian. He knew how to manipulate people and act as a puppeteer pulling peoples puppet strings, often without the people he was puppetting even realising that they were his puppets. He knew how to manipulate people, and he also knew how to appear as good and benevolent while in reality creating a lot of harm in that society. He was the master of manipulation. And yes you could argue he "helped"a lot of people. But if you ask me, he only did this so that he could have a hold over those people later and use them for his Grand schemes… ala Remus Lupin. He could have done so much more to at least minimise Harry's suffering, he could have used so much magic to prevent the abuse that Harry suffered. I'm also expected to believe that Harry's mother did not have any aunts, uncles, cousins and other relatives that could have sheltered him. So much is wrong with this. No, there was only one reason Dumbledore did not stop Voldemort. Harry was his ultimate power trip, and dare I "Voldemort, but Voldemort was right when he said that Dumbledore was pulling the strings. Because Harry was groomed to do what he did when you analyse it with a fine tooth Crocombe. He was groomed to fulfil the destiny that he did by Dumbledore. And there is absolutely no excuse for child grooming in my opinion. I'm sorry to say it, Dumbledore was rotten to the core and I wish people would stop pretending that he was the epitome of goodness. And I also wish people would stop pretending that Harry was this wonderful Hearo that was acting of his own accord when he was groomed by Dumbledore right from the age one to do what he did and to fulfil his destiny. I could go on and on about Dumbledore's nastiness, but later I can find a video when I'm on the laptop and it's easier and paste it in here if anybody is interested that breaks down Dumbledore's nastiness a lot better than I am doing right now.
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Dumbledore was patient and curious. He understood how to play the long game and would have put others in danger just to test a theory.. I think that trait has been revealed more than once in Dumbledore. The prophecy really only revealed he was justified in not doing it himself.
Not saying he made the right move but it doesn't feel out of character for him to be more interested in watching how things unfold and collecting information before making a move. Had he not, he may never have known about Harry and Voldemorts connection.
If these two were equal strength, the serious danger was that Voldemort knew some really lethal magic he was not scared to use and I suspect Dumbledore was not fully prepared to handle…
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Both felt their chances of winning the war were better if they employed other, less direct, tactics.
Too much is made of Voldemort’s fear of Dumbledore. Yes, he feared losing to Dumbledore, but it wasn’t this overwhelming, paralyzing fear that many people make it out to be. When the opportunity for a duel presented itself in Book 5, Voldy didn’t flinch. And that was on enemy turf with large reinforcements on the way for his opponent! But for Voldemort to not fear Dumbledore at all? Well, that would be the mark of an idiot. Dumbledore may very well be the most powerful wizard of all time, and even wizards who are the absolute prodigies of their generation like McGonagall or Snape pale in comparison to Dumbledore. Voldemort just couldn’t be sure of victory against someone like that.
You see, Dumbledore and Voldemort are the kings on the chessboard of their respective sides. Knock one down, and that one’s side loses. If Voldemort attacks Dumbledore and wins, he’s taken over the Wizarding world in the UK. But if he loses? He’s toast! Dumbledore could potentially capture and imprison him, or Dumbledore might kill him…and remember Voldemort isn’t really sure just yet that his horcruxes work or exactly how they work (even if he had known, being disembodied was pretty terrible for him). In short, it’s a HUGE risk to duel Dumbledore. Instead, Voldemort focused on building up his forces, placing wizards and witches under his control with the imperius curse, and targeted killings against key enemies to weaken the other side. It was actually a pretty effective strategy, and Voldemort may have felt that his chances of winning the war this way were actually far greater than going against Dumbledore in a one-on-one fight.
It should also be noted that Dumbledore seemed to feel the exact same way about the issue. He never pushed to duel Voldemort either, and focused on defending Hogwarts and directing the activities of The Order of the Phoenix to counter Voldemort’s gang. We can infer that Dumbledore thought that this was his best chance of winning the war, because that’s what he chose to do. Generally, I’d say that the position of Dumbledore, The Order of the Phoenix, and the Ministry of Magic wasn’t so great during the first war…they were losing a lot of people, and though they certainly inflicted some damage to the other side it didn’t seem as extensive.
A final note here is that it’s damn difficult for wizards to meet each other on equal ground to fight a duel. If Voldemort did want to fight a duel with Dumbledore, would he just knock on the door? Dumbledore would have the huge advantage of Hogwart’s defenses to lean against, not to mention quite a few very powerful teachers and an army of students. Likewise it would be very difficult for Dumbledore to catch Voldemort alone or unprotected. He couldn’t just apparate into a Death Eater meeting…he might think he can handle Voldy, but he can’t handle Voldy plus forty Death Eaters! Neither Dumbledore or Voldemort is going to give battle when their opponent has an overwhelming advantage, and it’s hard for wizards to catch either other when that isn’t the case. The duel in the Ministry of Magic was a rare time when they encountered each other and neither had the advantage…although that only lasted a few minutes before the aurors arrived.
So, it was a case of neither Dumbledore nor Voldemort wanting to put such high stakes on one fight, but it’s also a case of it being really hard for either of them to force that fight to happen in circumstances that didn’t give the advantage to the other guy.
I find it profoundly narratively unsatisfying when folks assume Dumbledore would win a fight with Voldemort hands-down. Not only does the text not support that view, but it makes Dumbledore’s comparatively infrequent amount of taking the field himself a really stupid move. If Dumbledore is assured of victory, he should have pressed that advantage far more than it seems he did.
Have to say I've really enjoyed this channel: okay two things, I understand though after the pronounciation video about Voldemort, still the "T" sound, why I mention this is because I initially believed that Rowling was inspired by an encompasing one word discription "English History" that poetic flexability or real fractored history that Vortigern that allied with Horsa and Heingeist as a starting point. 2, Dumbledore wouldn't go after Voldemort that Leaders don't fight wars and light is the best disenfectant of darkness - Voldemort can nolonger act in secrecy - I agree with the points.
When you're a celebrity wizard like Dumbledore you have very little wiggle room for your movements. 1: though he could body Voldemort he was under constant surveillance by both his allies(supposed) and enemies. 2: if he did body Voldemort he would still have to race to find the horcruxes but would still be hindered by allies of Voldemort and even those who claim to be his allies. I think Dumbledore was dancing a fine line but still was able to keep things in order. He played the game masterfully with spies and proxies. Some dislike his methods but if we take a deep dive he played the perfect role to keep evil in check and to dispose of it.
I could think of many reasons why dumbledore did what he did. I really think he was more useful alive and exerting this pressure on voldemort that prevented him from really moving freely. He was cursed by the ring and already going to die, again he'd already come to terms with this and it made sense he'd stay alive for as long as possible so he could help Harry hunt down the horcruxes. Dumbledore would have absolutely fought voldemort had he shown up at hogwarts, but neither one of them really wanted to be the first to make a move, there was no strategic benefit especially because dumbledore was dying either way, and voldemort had his horcruxes still.
theory: in spite of Dumbldore's power, he would not use it to take a life, after his sister died. While he knew of the horcruxes, he said he didn't know how many there were. thirdly, he twigged very early on that mouldy had accidentally made Harry a horcrux, thus knew that mouldy had to destroy his own horcrux, or Harry would have to die to destroy it.
He had to get mouldy to kill his horcrux to save Harryy, which is why it made sense to get Harry as powerful as possible, while mouldy was actually proceeding to weaken himself.
Dumbledore knew way more than he ever let on, which is actually one of his strongest talents, beyond his majical ability
People underestimate how cunning Voldemort was too. He eluded capture from the ministry and the Order for decades, while thinning them out and winning every duel he engaged in. He only lost the first war because he let his paranoia get the best of him, and he attacked Harry’s family in the specific way that would cause his curse to backfire. I’m sure Dumbledore was doing all he could to find and defeat him, but he was also leading the Order and protecting Hogwarts.
Dumbledore knew about the prophecy from Sybill Trelawney, about neither could live while the other survives, he knew Voldemort could only be completely defeated by Harry, months before Harry was born. Also he knew voldemort could be brought back by other magical means, he wasn't sure which ones though, which took along time to find out. but still he knew it wasn't going to be him to defeat voldemort, it was always going to harry (or possibly Neville) and tried to setup him to do it. Once he knew they were horcruxes and that there were 7 (which he didn't find out for 16 years), he knew he had to take out the horcruxes first but had to find them all which took alot time, and he found one but ended up getting cursed, and was going to die from the curse, (plus he was getting old and tired and probably close to death anyway), or by draco or snape killing him by the end of the school year. So he begs snape to put him out of his suffering, also by relieving draco from the unbreakable vow he had with voldemort. But simply it was fate from the get go. Dumbledore knew he was never going to be the one to finally defeat Voldemort, but knew he had to do everything he could to help the one who would. I have another conspirecy theory, Dumbledore setup Harry to be the chosen one, dumbledore knew from the prophecy that it was going to be either Harry or Neville to be the chosen, Dumbledore knew James was descend from the Peverell family and had one of the Deathly Hollows the cloak of invisability. as James let him borrow it. due to this i think he may have tricked or controlled Peter Pettigrew to give up the secret keeper secret to Voldemort (remember Peter says "he didn't mean too" when confronted by Remus and Sirius), thus ensuring Harry to be the chosen one because he would have a greater chance of defeating voldemort with the cloak of invisability. Which is also why Dumbledore asked james for the cloak, so James couldn't use it to save his family as Dumbledore had it with him at the time..... Dumbledore setup up Voldemort to choose Harry...... Thats right The Chosen One was chosen by Dumbledore😱
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Where does voldy go when he dies? Is the soul instantly transported to a horecruxe? Or is there sort of limbo period where he chills for a bit?
Abraham Lincoln said, "Nearly any man can withstand adversity. If you really want to test a man's character, give him power."
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Malfoy Manor was literally my first guess where Voldemort would be hiding. Like, oh my God, most easily solved mystery ever.
I think like love, “prophecy magic” is ancient magic. If the prophecy calls for Harry (or Neville) to end the Dark Lord then it has to be either one of them; anyone else kind of interrupts the balance and I think that the prophecy will do what it can to keep that way even if that means anyone directly trying to alter it, like Dumbledore defeating Voldemort, would end up in a less fortunate circumstance that discontinue them from interfering directly with the prophecy. Just my guess 🙂
I think HBP says something different. The prophecy *only* became true because Voldemort believed in it.
Heck sometimes I wonder if the whole "the dark lord will mark him as his equal" was the concept of accentually putting a Horcrux into Harry?
Nope sounds lame and takes away causality and ability to act from characters
despite the fact he's arguably the most powerful Wizard in the books, at his core he's a Teacher, he enjoys instructing the next generations into things, let them test themselves, improve things that perhaps he might not be able to, also as you said, the risk he ran in possible defeat, would have been truly catastrophic for the wizarding world as a whole.
This is like asking why Gandalf didn’t role up on Sauron. Well Gandalf did but he needed the White Council to fully drive Sauron from that fortress.
Gandalf did clash directly with Sauron. It happened when Frodo was on Amon Hen with the Ring on.
In many ways, Dumbledore's duel with Voldemort parallels this moment in Lord Of The Rings, but with one key difference. Gandalf's clash was not witnessed, just felt, while Dumbledore's was up front.
It was because of the prophecy and that harry was a horrcrux meaning one will live while the other will die that means one has to kill the other ., due to this reason, voldemort was after harry so that he can live. Even if voldemort was defeated by Dumbeldor , Vildemort cannot be killed unless horcrux in harry was killed.
We saw how the horcrux within Harry was killed by the killing curse from voldemort in the forest in the last part of the book .
Another reason is that Dumbledore was far older and a Voldemort's teacher. It never feels right to fight against your student, as partially always you feel responsible for your student's mistakes. That is well presented in the Starwars universe, where Obi-Wan had to fight Anakin, who became Darth Vader. He never wanted this fight and his soul was hurting all along. Dumbledore could see little Tom (with love) from school or when he picked him up from the orphanage. Taking a dark route is not something you are born to become, but a result of pain, not experiencing love in ages that is crucial, loneliness, etc, and his teachers + society failed him. I don't think Dumbledore felt that it was his duty to kill him, but to protect the generations that should have fight him and win. He gave his own fights with his generation (Grindelwald), and then it was Voldemort's generation the one responsible to fight him. Unfortunately, they failed and the one who was destined to kill him, was little Harry.
Although being a headmaster in a wizarding boarding school wields a lot of power - Dumbeldore was a king in his own fiefdom, with deference from the minister of magic in Fudge's early days.
he did mention he suspected this for a long time. he just didn't know how in depth it went. He did basically hunt him down. If he just went for him, he would be fighting a bigger uphill battle
Dumbledore did not know about the horcruxes, until Half blood Prince. Also, with Voldemort's fixation on Harry Potter, it made Voldemort predictable. So Dumbledore only had to arrange Voldemort's death.
Very true the people best suited for power and leadership are the ones who don’t seek it out but use it only because they must and surprise themselves when they do well
Like with Grindelwald, I don't think Dumbledore would have confronted Voldemort directly until he had no other choice but to do it. Before it got to that point the prophecy was made and Harry was able to "defeat" Voldemort, so Dumbledore decided to abide by the prophecy and do whatever he could do to support Harry instead of directly intervene. It's true that they fought in the ministry, but Dumbledore was simply trying to stall him so the Aurors would get there in time to confirm he was back.
Harry Potter himself was a horcrux. Voldemort could not be permanently killed while he had a surviving horcrux. Dumbledore could have killed Harry and finished Voldemort, but Dumbledore cared about Harry. He knew that the only way for Harry to survive was for Voldemort to kill Harry, thereby eliminating Harry as a horcrux and making it possible for Voldemort to die and for Harry to live. Only Voldemort could detach the piece of his soul tethered to Harry without killing Harry also. Voldemort made this possible by absorbing Lily’s protection into himself when he used Harry’s blood to power his resurrection ritual. Because of the combination of that protection and the soul fragment attached to both Harry and Voldemort, Harry had to submit to death at Voldemort’s hand and not resist when Voldemort unwittingly discharged his own soul.
Dumbledore explains much of this to Harry in the Kings Cross station interaction after the confrontation in the forbidden forest.
While I agree with your points I would add that "the power the dark lord knows not" and Lily's sacrifice played a part. Recall Snape's accusation of raising Harry like live stock to slaughter in the right way at the right time. Also the protection Harry's sacrifice gave. Dumbledore did note the power of Lily's sacrifice. He had an understanding of that sort of Magic - hence having Harry live with the Dursleys
dumbledore is so OP... the only wizard that can match him is Merlin.
Its been many years since i read the books so maybe it was answered but a question iv had is why did dumbledor believe that trelawnys prophecy was real? Versus writing it off as acting ect. If i recall it was said somewhere that he had at one time thought about taking divination out from the curriculum and given trelawnys track record as well amoungst everyone...always felt odd but maybe iv simply forgotten the explanation.
He didn’t hunt him down because the risk outweighed the Reward:
Voldemort was by all accounts on par with Dumbledore in terms of all around magical mastery and knowledge… maybe number 2 but a close 2nd nonetheless and given the age disparity could very well have caught up
On top of that, he was the greatest dark wizard in history in terms of theoretical and practical understanding of Dark Magic and the world’s greatest Legillimens.
Like Dumbledore he frequently destroyed the barriers of what was deemed magically possible… record breaking horcruxes, created his own dark spells/curses , INVENTED non-broom flying etc
It wasn’t worth the hassle, both Tom and Dumbledore were like nuclear deterrents, immense power than neither side wanted to really use if they could help it.
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Agreed but I think the primary reason is that to really resolve the Vold issue, Harry would have to die and there was never a possibility that Dumbledore would kill him.
I forget which book it is but I loved when Dumbledore goaded Valdamort by calling him Tom
He could still destroy Voldy's body and track down his followers while they'd be scrambling to resurrect him. This would give the wizarding world more years of peace, more time to find and destroy the horcruxes, perhaps even do some actual research and figure out a way to capture his soul and feed it to a dementor or something. Not to mention that he should have already eliminated all known ways of resurrection. Failing to destroy the bone of the father was already a huge mistake.
I kinda felt that even if he did have a Horcrux it was shown that Riddle could survive without one but it would have been easier to get rid of him without him being an active threat.
it took a long time for him to figure out the hocrux. technically he had suspicions but he had to be sure because there was no room for error. he didn't know how many voldemort had but 7 was perfect magical number which he kind figured out later when he had enough evidence, note that even dark wizards before voldemort's time only created like one hocrux. he was hunting him down it's just that he couldn't really kill him and just comes back later and that him moving around as the ehad master of hogwarts kinda would make a lot of noise if he inquires the other places of hocrux for example the goblet of helga Huppelpuf and so on. he wasn't exactly free to move around always since he is basically the strongest wizard of his lifetime... if he just disappears and appears quite a bit of ministry would panic and not just the brittish. I'd assume a lot of wizarding government are still on guard against him cuz maybe he don't want power but he has insane amount of influence just like grindewald was. what would you do if someone has like a nuclear weapon and could just magically appear anywhere and gather people that could potential be like nuclear weapons... albus was kinda like that although he was like the greatest white wizard kinda guy you can't take away how even fudge was paranoid about him, a guy he basically supported all the time.
Dumbledore was not sure if he could take Voldemort down. It was clear to him during the first war that Voldemort had surpassed Grindelwald as the greatest dark wizard of all time. Voldemort's knowledge on the dark arts was so complex and his demonic face confirmed that.
We never thought about it much.
I think the answer to this question is a simple one.
Dumbledore knew he was the only one with the intelligence and foresight to set all the plans in motion that needed to be set in motion. He must have calculated it was better for him to use Harry than to try and do it himself and potentially fail (thus leaving no one to guide Harry and the OOTP in the fight against Voldemort).
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Dumbledore studied voldemort for many years, and he hunting voldemort by hunting horcroxs. Lol. Living Voldemord was the last horcrox. His plan was let voldemord and harry kill each other. He also seen harry grow up with a horcrox as an "experiment".
My guess is that the first Wizarding war, before Harry was born, was a lot fuller of political intrigue than one might imagine. And Dumbledore's options, as far as 1 on 1 combat, were restrained.
We saw the way the Ministry reacted to the mere possibility of Voldemort's return. Fear so intense that they not only denied it, but sought to remove Dumbledore from Hogwarts for making it seem possible.
During the original war, there were probably people who weren't on Voldemort's side who nevertheless would have reacted in horror if Dumbledore had singlehandedly hunted down the Dark Lord and killed him.
He would have ended up shunned, and himself, hunted.
Which while that would be effective-potentially-against Voldemort, it would also take himself out of play against any new threat beyond Voldemort who may rise.
The simple answer is storytelling.
But the in-universe answer is that Dumbledore couldn't unleash his true power without untethering himself from society like Voldemort did.
This is, of course, pure speculation, but what if Dumbledore was actually potently clairvoyant and he basically just acted like a moderator for his visions instead of trying to influence them (maybe because he saw his sister dying and couldn't prevent that)...so he would know that Harry defeats Voldy, he would know to trust Snape, he would know he needed to sacrifice Sirius and send him to Azkaban, and perhaps reluctantly do all these things to just let those visions come to pass (objectively, this can be also attributed to lazy deus-ex-machina writing, but hey). Would also explain stuff like he knew that Voldy couldn't be killed, just didn't understand the mechanics, how he readily took the blame for the whole DA affair without flinching, possibly some other decisions that didn't really make sense without the big picture.
Is it bad that I read the title of this, knew the answer already, and still decided to watch the whole vid? 😅
I have always wondered what would happen if Tom found out that harry was one of his hocroxes, do you think he wouldve maybe protect him? Or kill him? Kinda confusing hehe
My theory is voldermort rather avoided dumbledore…..It’s possible voldermort’s name was tobbooed in the first war ..meaning voldermort could easily have located dumbledore whenever dumbledore mentioned his name …voldermort’s position wasn’t exactly easy to predict .
Another reason is seeing as dumbledore was probably the only person on the good side who suspected voldermort would come back , he must has suspected voldermort had a horcrux but didn’t know how many horcruxes there were . He mentioned the careless nature of the diary made him question the number must have been much more than he suspected
Hence , he didn’t want to kill him , only for him to rise at a later time when dumbledore might have been out of the picture
Finally , the prophecy might have played a part
Something I've wondered for a while that kind of ties in with him trying to find the elusive Voldemort... Why did nobody just put a taboo on the avada kedavra curse? Sure, nonverbal magic is an option, but Voldemort is frequently observed speaking the incantation. If he could put a taboo on his name to break enchantments and locate people that said it, why don't the Order of the Phoenix or Ministry do the same for the killing curse incantation? Instantly find murderers and break their protective enchantments...
This one is fairly simple .... he knew about the hoarcrux's and the prophecy .... so he knew he could never just kill him, only blast him out of his body, until he regained it again ... but the prophecy showed there was someone who could do it, so that was not his part. When he was easily beating both Voldy and Bellatrix at the same time in the ministry, he didn't use a killing curse (despite the sheer power his spells carried). It surprised voldy at the time, but he clearly never dwelled on it. Also, he very likely realized Harry was a probable hoarcrux as soon as he saw how his parents died, and knew that not only could he never kill harry to destroy it, but that Voldemort would destroy the hoarcrux if he ever killed harry. He knew the game was over as soon as Voldemort used harry's blood to recreate his body. He was 100 moves ahead, and set the rest of the board out so that Harry could do it. You realize, when you think about it, that Harry could have never done it alone, without Dumbledores help. Dumbledore was moving everyone around to be in the right places, all along, and even after his death.
There is something I'm curious about, the opposite thing basically. If Voldemort had so many Death Eaters at his command and was so powerful, why did he seemingly never make a SERIOUS (Voldemort intended Draco to fail) attempt on his life, other than the duel in the Ministry (and that one was more because the two just happened to meet up rather than him seeking out Dumbledore.)? In fact, given that Voldemort presumably DID NOT know that Narcissa (and even Bellatrix!) had gone behind his back and made the unbreakable vow with Snape (someone Voldemort never seems to have bothered to TRY and utilize to take out Dumbledore from within the grounds of Hogwarts itself).
However, in spite of this, based on a conversation between Snape and Dumbledore, shown in the Deathly Hallows in the Pensive, but taking place within the timeline of the Half Blood Prince, it seems that Voldemort was EXPECTING that the school would SOON be within his grasp, either meaning that Voldemort actually DID intend for Dumbledore to die soon or else that Voldemort was confident enough that, despite Dumbledore still being alive, that he could manage to knock off the Minister of Magic and oust him the same way Fudge did at the end of "The Centaur and the Sneak" (basically a Ministry-led coup).
While Voldemort and his minions have tried to kill Harry MANY times (despite Voldemort merely seeing Harry as "Dumbledore's puppet", according to his own words in Deathly Hallows), he or his goons have tried to take out Harry SEVERAL times:
1.) As a baby
2.) Quirrell with the troll
3.) Quirrell with the bucking broom
4.) Quirrel in the Forest
5.) Voldemort and Quirrel in the Stone Chamber
6.) Chamber of Secrets battle (which was technically the fault of Lucius)
7.) The graveyard
8.) Barty Crouch Jr. tries to kill Harry
9.) In the Ministry of Magic
10.) Battle of the Seven Potters
11.) Godricks Hollow
12.) The locket tries to drown Harry (well, if you count the Diary as an attempt to kill him, might as well count this one)
13.) The Forest Again
14.) Finally, the Great Hall
Meanwhile, there are only these two recorded for attempts on Dumbledore (the second of which worked, but which Voldemort WASN'T expecting it to):
1.) The fight in the Ministry of Magic
2.) The scheme to have Draco kill Dumbledore
Both of these, by the way, occurred in the Second Wizard War (there was no recorded attempt of Voldemort to kill Dumbledore in the First Wizarding War.)
Voldy was extremely smart and skilled .... and that allowed him to realize that he could have never beat Dumbledore, and why he always feared him. He was unbeatable. So he never even tried, and did not send anyone against him, unless he was punishing them. Dumbledore only fell from his own mistake with the ring, and then a plan with snape.
@@brandoncaswell5907 So what exactly was Voldemort hoping to do if he ever did take over the Ministry? Dumbledore would be a big threat to his regime, and, arguably, could have been partially the reason that Voldemort hadn't already won the First Wizarding War by the time that Voldemort fell in Godrich's Hollow.
@@littlefoot5013 Once you have the minstry, you have alot more power and people to bring against him (although I doubt they ever could have taken Dumbledore out, he was so outmatched and smart). It is clear from the entire series that Voldemort never once sought a direct battle with dumbledore, even when he had alot of power and support.
Dumbledore didn't go after Voldemort, because he was headmaster at Hogwarts and made that job and the training and safeguarding of the young witches and wizards attending that school his top priority. He also knew (at some point) about Voldemort's horcruxes and knew Voldemort couldn't truly be defeated until the horcruxes were destroyed. Then there was the prophecy. There is another point not mentioned in this video: the Elder Wand. Dumbledore's wand was the powerful Elder Wand. There was no way Dumbledore would take the chance of Voldemort either defeating him or disarming him as either of those would gain Voldemort possession of the Elder Wand and it's great power. (Remember the path of the Elder Wand in Half Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows. Draco disarmed Dumbledore to gain the Elder Wand only to be disarmed and lose it to Harry. Voldemort knew none of this when he killed Snape and thought he had control of the wand.)