All we want is for Sena to mesh with Cardo’s, and vice versa. Not addition of a flashlight, no refrigerator, not more blinking lights. Just smaller, compatible with other brand(s), and quality reception.
Wow! An LED on the side. That's amazing. Now all I gotta do is rip out my eyeballs and hold them to the side so I can see the side of my helmet with all that awesome LED goodness.
Just like many other tech examples, the 30K is NOT obsolete but it IS becoming obsolescent. If your 30K is working fine keep running it. But the HK speakers, USB C charging, and hands free voice control are all features that make even the 50 a worthwhile upgrade...
Now here's a common point between price and quality i can get behind. Thank you for this. I don't care how much it cost personally. But better speakers on the old until would result in massive sales of the speakers and not the units.
changig color of LEDs is VERY IMPORTANT for the riders who have the unit mounted to the helmet - it allows them to look for the mirror and check the volume level in the mirror
I've had a 50S since it came out. My riding buddies recently got 50Ss as well hoping that it would alleviate some of the connection issues we've had. It did to a degree but mesh still doesn't work right so we still use BT connection. For the money I'd expect better, especially since my first battery lasted about 2 years before it wouldn't hold a charge for a normal ride. I ordered a higher capacity battery online and that resolved the issue.
Some riders care about style on the side of their helmets, so Sena is offering any option to those people that want something a bit different than the same old looking BT unit design. If you don't like the feature, can always turn it off in the app.
I was given a Sena 10 by a buddy about 3 years ago. He said it didn't hold a charge so he bought a new one. I swapped the battery and thought it would last long enough to see if I liked it. Still working great for what I need and I'm not ready to drop $400 on something new. Will probably go with another Sena when I do.....
A 400 bucks intercom? I think that's enough internet for today. All that junk stuff is not "value". The last thing we need is ever increasingly expensive units. Remove the extra stuff and make it 250. Then we are talking. Who are these people spending 800 bucks just to talk in a helmet? This is nothing new. I use older Sena products, this one is poor value. I don't understand the direction company is heading to.
@@RevZilla I am aware of that. But I'm not in US. We do have official Sena branch here though. I expect here the asking price will be in 600sh territory, based on previous experience. Which is just nuts. I remember good times when they sold 10S for 160$ and that was a good deal. My group still uses the 20S\10S range of models.
Pretty specific to your use case arguments and that’s fine. Sounds like your riding group is still on BT instead of Mesh so those units will still be just fine for y’all to keep using until you need more
I have the Sena 10C Pro and it's one of the best all in one options i ever purchased. The one thing i don't like is the clamp system, which broke down after i switched it between three helmets. Also, updates and software aren't Senas strongest suit.
We have very different memories of design and style in 2004 than you do. But we sure do miss the days of portable CD players and Nokia / Razr phones. Those were the days ...
@@RevZilla It's that brushed aluminum cap that was on it. Pure mid-2000s design aesthetic. Interchangable is cool, though if Sena doesn't provide design files for it, I doubt anyone's going to 3D print any.
@@sandtiger47620 Sure, but that's a HECK of a lot more than "have a friend with a 3D printer make a cover." I know dozens of people with 3D printers, I have six, and none of us have a 3D scanner. I'm sure I could do a cover for this but it would take a few hours and several test prints. OTOH Sena could easily release the design files for that if they wanted and we'd have way better covers than what almost anyone would come up with independently.
TBH the IP rating was more of a "gee whizz" to me. Having owned and operated several Sena units from the SMH10 series up, and having ridden through many a rain storm (and even a tornado once) and not EVER having a water related issue, I would say "the proof of the pudding is in the eating." The IP rating is nice. Is it necessary? Well, getting the cert DOES make the unit more expensive...
The lights are a bit too much but its a taste thing. But its quite big to be honest. The most important feature is how to connect it with cardo users? I know its possible with Bluetooth connection but mesh is what you really want.
Question: Mesh 3.0 - Clarify MESH 3.0 is backward compatible with existing MESH systems? Will the 60s keep operating while charging: My 20s, 50s do but my Schuberth Sena SC2 will not operate while charging, would be nice to know cause they all have a knack for running out of battery at the end of the day when your finding the lodging/camping for the night. As for all the flashing LEDs and color coordinated colors...that's for the social media types - is that future of motorcycling? I mean I and a friend led a day ride into the Rockies for the Local Colorado BMW club. He led and I was clean up - we had over 50 people (which is way too many by the way) of which none turned on there mesh mode and with only two users at the fron and the back of a large group, - MESH does not work well - more power use and less one to one range than bluetooth mode. So for most people, bluetooth and 4 users is plenty. In 2025...a 20s is still a good unit and note for the 20s to the 50s, they all use the same clamp which is handy but fails often in rain situations so in that aspect maybe the new 60s clamp is better. For the older clamp, carry Silly Putty...sounds silly but keeps the water out ( spread around the outer housing, top, front, back - not in the connection area of the clamp)
Just to hit your questions in this one: Mesh 3.0 is not backwards compatible to older Mesh units, however the 60S has both Mesh 2.0 and 3.0 built in so it can chat between either, depending on which units are in the group. We imagined that 3.0 will be the Mesh on all future units, with 2.0 being a backup as well. And yes, you can charge while using the device thanks to the dedicated charging port. If you have any other unit-specific questions, feel free to reach out to our customer service riders and they can help figure out which unit is right for you. As for the Mesh's performance in your group, we'd be curious if the distance between the riders was too much for the mesh w/ 50 riders between them. Unit to unit is only about a mile or so (which is Sena's claim, but not too far from our use-case testing successfully). In order to get the 5 mile range you need around 5-6 riders so the signal can bounce the distance between all of them for the max range. But again, without having been there that day and no the units / mounting / firmware etc, it's hard to say over YT comments. Hope that helps!
We were intrigued by that too but didn't notice too much of a difference. A bit clearer through the microphone from one rider to the next, but nothing revolutionary. We'd imagine this will improve with each update though so we are looking forward to it as Sena learns and improves the tech.
Sena has a specific line for the cameras called the C (50c, 20C etc). We might see a 60c in the future, but given the flashlights are the front, we doubt it.
Via Bluetooth all the newest units work and we tested that for 200 miles in Wyoming without issue. Otherwise the new Wave system we talk about in this video solves it for every other brand too.
You can connect a cardo to a Sena over Bluetooth intercom and it's perfectly fine. You won't be able to use MESH because Sena uses a different kind of mesh than cardo.
That parts just for show and a feature of the LED. But let’s be honest, since it’s a magnetic mount, it’d take you a fraction of the time to take the unit off and stare at it to adjust the volume then put it back, all while leaving the helmet on.
that mount is cool, but like some of the lower version of the Cardo , you can t charge when riding, the higher end ones you can. the way that sits in the cradle looks like when the battery is low, you cant charge when riding. that is a requirement if you listen to a lot of music and connected to friends on long rides. I rahter not charge when at a stop ,
It could be handy for international comms if your cell phone plan has steep int'l rates. But how often are you trying to talk to people in other countries while you're both riding your motorcycles...? Closer to home, if you're riding with buddies and they get a little out of the standard range and you have internet coverage it'll be a seamless way to keep talking, even miles apart, without having to dial them. Just keep your portable battery close by, as I suspect this will drain cell phones quick
Then your phone line is tied up and limited to the conference call as to how many people can join. Wave gives you virtually unlimited entrance and you can still make / receive calls if needed.
@@RevZilla Hi. Unfortunately, that is not correct. Mesh 2.0 and Mesh 3.0 uses slightly different technology when communicating making them incompatible with each other. However, the 60S can easily switch between Mesh 2.0 and Mesh 3.0 on the Sena Motorcycles App. Thanks.
That thing is huge. Your left side of the helmet is going to catch some wind and snap your neck then your buddy on the waves app can call an ambulance.
When I'm paying $400, it better be good looking and not have a plain look. That torch feature is useless in real world.. That led feature is too flashy and could have been made simpler.. I think it's not worth the investment but again need to wait for real world tested reviews on the purpose of this device in first place ..Seamless and stable Communication..
For real. This thing doesn’t even have a camera in it and it is virtually the same size as the 50C. I want smaller, not dumb LEDs and a flashlight that I will never use.
I'm somewhat with you, but I bet a big factor in this is the fact that all potential consumers have to operate this thing 1. By feel on the side of their head and 2. Almost always with ranging styles of gloves on. Make it small, make the controls small, big potential for problems.
I wonder why they include a second mounting base with boom mic and speakers. If you use 2 helmets, great! but otherwise you're forced to pay for the extra set of speakers and base with boom mic that will probably never get used... Is there no way to buy it without these extra's? surely most people have no need for it so it makes the whole product pointless and overpriced.
The second mount is useless for riders that wear full face helmets because the mic is non removeable and can't be used with a wired mic. Its about time that Sena finally makes a waterpoof unit. I like the different color base panels to match your helmet better, and I really like the flashlight feature which would come in handy at night....but the second boom mount with its non removable mic is useless with a full face helmet...why did Sena make that boom mount so you can't change between the boom mic and the wired mic like you can with my Sena 20S Evo...why offer a second boom mount that can't be used with a full face helmet....so because of the non removable boom mic, the second mount along with the extra speakers become useless for full face users and those parts will just sit in the box, and that useless second mount and extra speakers just raise the price of the 60S for no reason. Why not just sell the 60S with one mount and one set of speakers and sell the 60S at a cheaper price...or at least make the second mount able to use a wired mic like you can with the 20S Evo I currently am using...also I sure hope the 60S can be charged on the fly like my 20S Evo can be.
This is kind of disappointing. The LED should have been an optional add-on. 2 mounts is nice, but one being a permanent boom? Just give me one mount, I'll buys the second if I want to (and I'll make it a non-boom while I'm at it). "New wave tech", which is just a glorified discord server? You had so much time between the 50S to come up with something genuinely new and we got this? It looks like it's 2 years late to the release TBH
Much as I love tech stuff for this new unit my Sena 30K works fine with upgraded Sena HD Speakers. This might sound lame but I prefer the looks of 30K versus any other models. It’s more aggressive shape/style and sits perfectly angle on my helmet. Also I think 30K is the only model that has official Wi-Fi Docking Station which I have too so another reason not needing to upgrade.
According to both Cardo and Sena that won’t work since they are both designed differently. Unlike BT which is able to chat between the brands. However, as mentioned in the video, the new Wave app is a solve for all cross-brand chatting.
@@RevZilla Like you said though, wave / VoIP function isn't unit to unit. It's phone to phone so you have to take your phone AND be in an area that has cell coverage. That already exists. Discord, and can be done with a sub $20 dollar Amazon unit using BT to your phone. This "designed differently" is crap. Maybe as consumers it's our fault because we've let them get away with it but it's like buying a bike that you can only fill at a certain gas station because the tank is "designed differently" and only one nozzle fits or you have to buy a specific brand of wireless router to use your Samsung phone. No one would buy that bike or that phone. And maybe that's what we need to do, get together, quit buying the products and tell Sena, EJEAS, XGP, Cardo, etc that until they get together, sit down and come out with ONE standard that all comms use we're not buying their products. Comm standards exist in practically every other industry from serial to parallel to 802.11 to USB. It's time there's one for mesh where the consumer wins by choosing the unit they want with the features they want at the price they can afford.
That's a severe case of "form over function". The flashlight is pretty useless IRL, the LED changing colors for different modes is just for show because you don't see it anyway, and most people probably don't need 2 sets of speakers because they own a single helmet. I'd say get a 20S/evo for less than $200 and you're good. Unless you ride in huge groups and REALLY need that mesh technology to listen to 20 guys trying to talk at the same time.
Tbh, the both offer about the same so tends to come down to their warranty programs and brand loyalty with your riding pals. The two brands just go feature for feature every year and match what the other comes out with
I'm a cardo guy myself but cardo sure doesn't include all of those monting options in the box. What do you consider to be "much more" because it seems Sena has included everything with this one?
How bizarre!! I have a $50 unit from Amazon that I've been using for about 4-5 years now and it has a crystal clear intercom, Bluetooth calls & music while riding, also has flashing LEDs on the side, etc., etc., etc.... I guess Sena assumes that if you have enough disposable income to afford a bike with all the accessories (exhaust, underglow, custom taillight, etc), then you may not mind overpaying a ridiculous amount just for a Bluetooth module. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Have you used one of the top of the line Sena devices? What you think is "Crystal Clear" probably sounds like garbage considering the speakers on these cost more than your whole setup.
I’d take that bet on the 10-year run of “no innovation”. Zoom out on the timeline and 10 years ago talking to 4 other riders was new tech, now you can talk with 24+ with Sena.
@patrickmchugh8039 a ModMic in your helmet costs 1/4 of this, has infinitely better mic quality and noise reduction, connects to your phone and bike every time with no BS, works with any app on your phone like discord to connect with as many people as you can fit on the road with no scratchy connection or line of sight nonsense. Not to mention there's no tumor on the outside of your helmet.
@@512mbflashdrive totally agree, but i think it’s important to look at what consumers choose. Everybody can do the modmic / discord collab each time they power up to ride. But most people buy these style units or BT only units for the ease of use. It’s not like Sena and Cardo grew to be most of the market share for no reason. It’s also why helmets with comms built in already are big markets, just for the ease of it to a lot of non-discord types out there. I know I prefer discord for everything, but I still ride with my Cardo’s since most people I ride with won’t be bothered with Discord and chat rooms.
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All we want is for Sena to mesh with Cardo’s, and vice versa. Not addition of a flashlight, no refrigerator, not more blinking lights. Just smaller, compatible with other brand(s), and quality reception.
@@jayzee1968 I mean, they did make it compatible in a way with that Wave thing.
Speak for yourself
Wow! An LED on the side. That's amazing. Now all I gotta do is rip out my eyeballs and hold them to the side so I can see the side of my helmet with all that awesome LED goodness.
Sena 30K, done. I’ve had mine for 5 years. Crossed USA and back 2x so far. Been through massive rain storms. 30K keeps on going!
Same here.
My 30k's mesh is not working all leads online point to battery bulging the leads to pcb damage
My Sena 30k came with mother board issue.
Just like many other tech examples, the 30K is NOT obsolete but it IS becoming obsolescent. If your 30K is working fine keep running it. But the HK speakers, USB C charging, and hands free voice control are all features that make even the 50 a worthwhile upgrade...
Hated the 30 from the first time I tried updating the firmware, absolute trash implementation.
We love our Sena intercoms. Been using them for many years. I wish I could get the Harman Kardon speakers for my 20s.
Now here's a common point between price and quality i can get behind. Thank you for this. I don't care how much it cost personally. But better speakers on the old until would result in massive sales of the speakers and not the units.
Still using my Sena 20S from 8 years ago 💪
I've still got my Cardo Packtalk and I'm struggling to think if any feature that would make me upgrade.
same here. actually just got the hd speakers for it the other day and made it feel like new for $30.
@@lKswayl oh yeah? Where’d you get the HD speakers? I’m still using the original and they’re fine but if it ain’t much…
Best model they made. My battery died and i got a 50s, but it was a downgrade.
@@richardroy5437 You know you can replace the batteries? $15 and a quick desolder + solder of two wires.
changig color of LEDs is VERY IMPORTANT for the riders who have the unit mounted to the helmet - it allows them to look for the mirror and check the volume level in the mirror
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You sir have common sense. Thank you for that. I care about looks so yes I want the leds.
I've had a 50S since it came out. My riding buddies recently got 50Ss as well hoping that it would alleviate some of the connection issues we've had. It did to a degree but mesh still doesn't work right so we still use BT connection. For the money I'd expect better, especially since my first battery lasted about 2 years before it wouldn't hold a charge for a normal ride. I ordered a higher capacity battery online and that resolved the issue.
Why does the LED matter while you are riding and presumably have it mounted on your helmet? Seems to me a useless feature.
Some riders care about style on the side of their helmets, so Sena is offering any option to those people that want something a bit different than the same old looking BT unit design. If you don't like the feature, can always turn it off in the app.
Safety feature at night 😉
Its for the Japanese bike guys who like to stick neon lights on everything.
Sena should've used chrome so i can get 5 HP more out of my bike.
@pcf9909 you sound like a boring bump on a log. Keep your shit opinion to yourself
I was given a Sena 10 by a buddy about 3 years ago. He said it didn't hold a charge so he bought a new one. I swapped the battery and thought it would last long enough to see if I liked it. Still working great for what I need and I'm not ready to drop $400 on something new. Will probably go with another Sena when I do.....
A 400 bucks intercom? I think that's enough internet for today. All that junk stuff is not "value". The last thing we need is ever increasingly expensive units. Remove the extra stuff and make it 250. Then we are talking. Who are these people spending 800 bucks just to talk in a helmet? This is nothing new. I use older Sena products, this one is poor value. I don't understand the direction company is heading to.
FWIW - almost every other unit Sena has available is in the mid-$200's and below if you are shopping for that price point.
@@RevZilla I am aware of that. But I'm not in US. We do have official Sena branch here though. I expect here the asking price will be in 600sh territory, based on previous experience. Which is just nuts. I remember good times when they sold 10S for 160$ and that was a good deal. My group still uses the 20S\10S range of models.
@@ivey77426better things get more expensive as they add more features that people want it’s gonnna be more expensive they have the cheaper options
Pretty specific to your use case arguments and that’s fine. Sounds like your riding group is still on BT instead of Mesh so those units will still be just fine for y’all to keep using until you need more
@@ivey77426you’d be surprised how seamless mesh intercom is over Bluetooth intercom.
I have the Sena 10C Pro and it's one of the best all in one options i ever purchased. The one thing i don't like is the clamp system, which broke down after i switched it between three helmets. Also, updates and software aren't Senas strongest suit.
It looks like it was designed in 2004. The fancy LED that you can't see while using it is extra special.
We have very different memories of design and style in 2004 than you do. But we sure do miss the days of portable CD players and Nokia / Razr phones. Those were the days ...
@@RevZilla It's that brushed aluminum cap that was on it. Pure mid-2000s design aesthetic. Interchangable is cool, though if Sena doesn't provide design files for it, I doubt anyone's going to 3D print any.
@@John_Ridley 3d scanners are a thing. Give someone who is good with CAD a pair of vernier calipers and a few hours and they will have the STLs.
@@sandtiger47620 Sure, but that's a HECK of a lot more than "have a friend with a 3D printer make a cover." I know dozens of people with 3D printers, I have six, and none of us have a 3D scanner. I'm sure I could do a cover for this but it would take a few hours and several test prints. OTOH Sena could easily release the design files for that if they wanted and we'd have way better covers than what almost anyone would come up with independently.
Its not for you to see. Its for all the squids to see in the parking lot outside of the Cycle Gear Bike night.
I miss the days where the top of the line Com was $200...
Yeah, I miss the 2000's too......
“Coffee used to be a nickel!” (Grandpa shakes cane)
@@countryjoe3551 I Bought a Cardo Packtalk Bold JBL for $209 in 2020, my guy...
vimoto v10x jbl 150 dollar ish
7:32 hello so can we upgrade 50s speaker to the new 60s speaker and update the firmware and get the more Louder volume ??
This is enough to get me over the line to sena. Not having an IP rating was too hard a pill to swallow before.
TBH the IP rating was more of a "gee whizz" to me. Having owned and operated several Sena units from the SMH10 series up, and having ridden through many a rain storm (and even a tornado once) and not EVER having a water related issue, I would say "the proof of the pudding is in the eating."
The IP rating is nice. Is it necessary? Well, getting the cert DOES make the unit more expensive...
@ the IP rating gives peace of mind. It’s very hard to evaluate how trustworthy a product is based on anecdotes on the internet.
@@ardencassie5150 To be fair the Sena products have always been advertised as "water resistant" so it's not just anecdotal claims.
The lights are a bit too much but its a taste thing. But its quite big to be honest. The most important feature is how to connect it with cardo users? I know its possible with Bluetooth connection but mesh is what you really want.
Question: Mesh 3.0 - Clarify MESH 3.0 is backward compatible with existing MESH systems? Will the 60s keep operating while charging: My 20s, 50s do but my Schuberth Sena SC2 will not operate while charging, would be nice to know cause they all have a knack for running out of battery at the end of the day when your finding the lodging/camping for the night. As for all the flashing LEDs and color coordinated colors...that's for the social media types - is that future of motorcycling? I mean I and a friend led a day ride into the Rockies for the Local Colorado BMW club. He led and I was clean up - we had over 50 people (which is way too many by the way) of which none turned on there mesh mode and with only two users at the fron and the back of a large group, - MESH does not work well - more power use and less one to one range than bluetooth mode. So for most people, bluetooth and 4 users is plenty. In 2025...a 20s is still a good unit and note for the 20s to the 50s, they all use the same clamp which is handy but fails often in rain situations so in that aspect maybe the new 60s clamp is better. For the older clamp, carry Silly Putty...sounds silly but keeps the water out ( spread around the outer housing, top, front, back - not in the connection area of the clamp)
Just to hit your questions in this one: Mesh 3.0 is not backwards compatible to older Mesh units, however the 60S has both Mesh 2.0 and 3.0 built in so it can chat between either, depending on which units are in the group. We imagined that 3.0 will be the Mesh on all future units, with 2.0 being a backup as well. And yes, you can charge while using the device thanks to the dedicated charging port. If you have any other unit-specific questions, feel free to reach out to our customer service riders and they can help figure out which unit is right for you.
As for the Mesh's performance in your group, we'd be curious if the distance between the riders was too much for the mesh w/ 50 riders between them. Unit to unit is only about a mile or so (which is Sena's claim, but not too far from our use-case testing successfully). In order to get the 5 mile range you need around 5-6 riders so the signal can bounce the distance between all of them for the max range. But again, without having been there that day and no the units / mounting / firmware etc, it's hard to say over YT comments. Hope that helps!
@@RevZilla Thanks much for the reply - Phil
No AUX audio input = show stopper. What were they thinking.
Now I wait for Schubert to release this as their integrated comm system
Followed by Shoei.
Website states 60S can run Mesh 2.0... Is there a switch? If using Mesh 2.0 does that cut off Mesh 3.0?
I believe so - it's *either* Mesh 3.0, *or* mesh 2.0. but trust, but verify ..
any upgrades to music bass-treble etc on this one?? 50s music quality compared to proper headphones is trash.
Sena promotional material says it has AI noise cancelling. This is honestly the only interesting new thing for me. Any further update on that?
We were intrigued by that too but didn't notice too much of a difference. A bit clearer through the microphone from one rider to the next, but nothing revolutionary. We'd imagine this will improve with each update though so we are looking forward to it as Sena learns and improves the tech.
8Db increased volume is HUGE! Plus 4Db more?! Then I won't need to pump the maximum volume to listen to music when My V twin rumbles.
Is Sena 60s compatible with rhe helmet mount that came with 50S?
No, the mounts between the two models are completely different unfortunately.
Looks retro with an led upgrade. Not sure ill upgrade from my 50s.
Yeah from the 50 you really gotta want the features specific to this one. Usability will be about the same if you ask me
Can it still connect seamlessly with packtalk edge?
Via Bluetooth, yes.
Be interested in a comparison between this and the cardio pack talk pro please
Ohhhh yea baby! Sena has done it again!😎
I can’t wait to hear the improvements of sound over the 50 series.
hi guys, any one know if the 60S have GoPro voice commnand like the 50S? thank!
All new models supposed to have everything but no camera?
Sena has a specific line for the cameras called the C (50c, 20C etc). We might see a 60c in the future, but given the flashlights are the front, we doubt it.
Can you use this to talk with cardo?
Apparently it should work, in reaity, it never does.
Talking from experience here
Via Bluetooth all the newest units work and we tested that for 200 miles in Wyoming without issue. Otherwise the new Wave system we talk about in this video solves it for every other brand too.
A PITA to get them wconnecting. I hope someone makes an app to make all of them work seamlessly.
Will this be coming out on the NeoTech 2 or 3 helmets?
No word from either Sena or Shoei on that yet.
Wil it connect to a cardo ?
You can connect a cardo to a Sena over Bluetooth intercom and it's perfectly fine. You won't be able to use MESH because Sena uses a different kind of mesh than cardo.
This is not a review, this is a sales pitch.
So you’re telling me that for once sena has developed a new product and not use their entire organisation to lock helmet manufacturers in?
So take of the helmet to look at the LED to check volume setting?
That parts just for show and a feature of the LED. But let’s be honest, since it’s a magnetic mount, it’d take you a fraction of the time to take the unit off and stare at it to adjust the volume then put it back, all while leaving the helmet on.
Its not for you. Its for all the squids to look at in the Cycle Gear Parking lot at Bike Night.
Does the wave connection have to be internet or can it be 5g?
Hi. It can be both.
that mount is cool, but like some of the lower version of the Cardo , you can
t charge when riding, the higher end ones you can. the way that sits in the cradle looks like when the battery is low, you cant charge when riding. that is a requirement if you listen to a lot of music and connected to friends on long rides. I rahter not charge when at a stop ,
You can 100% charge the 60s while it’s mounted and being used. The separate USB-C port is designed specifically to be able to charge while being used.
Added a Discord app, bit late for that.
Why would I use wave when I could just call someone on my phone?
It could be handy for international comms if your cell phone plan has steep int'l rates. But how often are you trying to talk to people in other countries while you're both riding your motorcycles...? Closer to home, if you're riding with buddies and they get a little out of the standard range and you have internet coverage it'll be a seamless way to keep talking, even miles apart, without having to dial them. Just keep your portable battery close by, as I suspect this will drain cell phones quick
Then your phone line is tied up and limited to the conference call as to how many people can join. Wave gives you virtually unlimited entrance and you can still make / receive calls if needed.
I gave up on helmet intercom systems considering I ride solo. Either ear plugs or small earbuds work for me now.
Is Mesh 2 and Mesh 3 compatible?
@@RevZilla Hi. Unfortunately, that is not correct. Mesh 2.0 and Mesh 3.0 uses slightly different technology when communicating making them incompatible with each other. However, the 60S can easily switch between Mesh 2.0 and Mesh 3.0 on the Sena Motorcycles App. Thanks.
$750 for a pair, or 50(!) Amazon Bluetooth communicators
That's what I got... paid $50 for mine from Amazon and it's still AMAZING after 5yrs!
Should have made it cheaper instead of including a second mount
That thing is huge. Your left side of the helmet is going to catch some wind and snap your neck then your buddy on the waves app can call an ambulance.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What's the best Bluetooth comm set if I don't want to spend $400? Someone help.
How hard is it to do softwear updats the 50S i got want's a softwear update and it is encreadbly hard to do?
Fairly easy and there are step by step instructions in the box, and video how to’s showing the process.
@@RevZilla cool the insturstion on the 50s were there but still had lot's of trouble so it good to hear they have fixed that
Cool
But not in my budget 😅
When I'm paying $400, it better be good looking and not have a plain look.
That torch feature is useless in real world..
That led feature is too flashy and could have been made simpler..
I think it's not worth the investment but again need to wait for real world tested reviews on the purpose of this device in first place ..Seamless and stable Communication..
Mógłbym przetestować ostatni raz, sena slaba jest już jak gopro. Przejde do konkurencji cardo.
Why are these still so huge?
For real. This thing doesn’t even have a camera in it and it is virtually the same size as the 50C. I want smaller, not dumb LEDs and a flashlight that I will never use.
I'm somewhat with you, but I bet a big factor in this is the fact that all potential consumers have to operate this thing 1. By feel on the side of their head and 2. Almost always with ranging styles of gloves on. Make it small, make the controls small, big potential for problems.
@@gsabella4I'm sure there are better solutions other that making it huge
Winter gloves
@@gsabella4 Nothing a seperate remote you strap on your handlebars won't fix.
And at maybe 10bucks extra cost.
I wonder why they include a second mounting base with boom mic and speakers.
If you use 2 helmets, great! but otherwise you're forced to pay for the extra set of speakers and base with boom mic that will probably never get used...
Is there no way to buy it without these extra's? surely most people have no need for it so it makes the whole product pointless and overpriced.
350 dollar for this? nonsense, plenty alternatives for 100 dollars with JBL speakers and 8 people intercom.
60C when?
60c is unlikely, but you never know
The second mount is useless for riders that wear full face helmets because the mic is non removeable and can't be used with a wired mic.
Its about time that Sena finally makes a waterpoof unit. I like the different color base panels to match your helmet better, and I really like the flashlight feature which would come in handy at night....but the second boom mount with its non removable mic is useless with a full face helmet...why did Sena make that boom mount so you can't change between the boom mic and the wired mic like you can with my Sena 20S Evo...why offer a second boom mount that can't be used with a full face helmet....so because of the non removable boom mic, the second mount along with the extra speakers become useless for full face users and those parts will just sit in the box, and that useless second mount and extra speakers just raise the price of the 60S for no reason. Why not just sell the 60S with one mount and one set of speakers and sell the 60S at a cheaper price...or at least make the second mount able to use a wired mic like you can with the 20S Evo I currently am using...also I sure hope the 60S can be charged on the fly like my 20S Evo can be.
This is kind of disappointing. The LED should have been an optional add-on. 2 mounts is nice, but one being a permanent boom? Just give me one mount, I'll buys the second if I want to (and I'll make it a non-boom while I'm at it). "New wave tech", which is just a glorified discord server? You had so much time between the 50S to come up with something genuinely new and we got this? It looks like it's 2 years late to the release TBH
Pass. Ill keep my 30s which has been updated to nearly 50s features for free. The flashlight and leds make zero sense.
Much as I love tech stuff for this new unit my Sena 30K works fine with upgraded Sena HD Speakers. This might sound lame but I prefer the looks of 30K versus any other models. It’s more aggressive shape/style and sits perfectly angle on my helmet. Also I think 30K is the only model that has official Wi-Fi Docking Station which I have too so another reason not needing to upgrade.
This review is about as handy as a paraplegic roofer.
Audio is so screwed up on this video it's unwatchable. Y'all need to fix your export settings.
Review Bluarmor C50 pro
lol! I still rock my bare-bones, no frills, who needs an FM tuner when you have Spotify/music/etc 3s. 😂
Until a comm unit manufacturer gets their act in gear and releases one that does mesh with every other brand there is no reason to upgrade.
According to both Cardo and Sena that won’t work since they are both designed differently. Unlike BT which is able to chat between the brands. However, as mentioned in the video, the new Wave app is a solve for all cross-brand chatting.
@@RevZilla Like you said though, wave / VoIP function isn't unit to unit. It's phone to phone so you have to take your phone AND be in an area that has cell coverage. That already exists. Discord, and can be done with a sub $20 dollar Amazon unit using BT to your phone. This "designed differently" is crap. Maybe as consumers it's our fault because we've let them get away with it but it's like buying a bike that you can only fill at a certain gas station because the tank is "designed differently" and only one nozzle fits or you have to buy a specific brand of wireless router to use your Samsung phone. No one would buy that bike or that phone. And maybe that's what we need to do, get together, quit buying the products and tell Sena, EJEAS, XGP, Cardo, etc that until they get together, sit down and come out with ONE standard that all comms use we're not buying their products. Comm standards exist in practically every other industry from serial to parallel to 802.11 to USB. It's time there's one for mesh where the consumer wins by choosing the unit they want with the features they want at the price they can afford.
That's a severe case of "form over function". The flashlight is pretty useless IRL, the LED changing colors for different modes is just for show because you don't see it anyway, and most people probably don't need 2 sets of speakers because they own a single helmet. I'd say get a 20S/evo for less than $200 and you're good. Unless you ride in huge groups and REALLY need that mesh technology to listen to 20 guys trying to talk at the same time.
dude talks more than half of the video about the mounting system and LED lights...
Weak new product release from sena, cardo offers much more without led strip and flashlight :)
Tbh, the both offer about the same so tends to come down to their warranty programs and brand loyalty with your riding pals. The two brands just go feature for feature every year and match what the other comes out with
I'm a cardo guy myself but cardo sure doesn't include all of those monting options in the box. What do you consider to be "much more" because it seems Sena has included everything with this one?
All that and no fm radio
Hi. The 60S has a FM radio included. Thanks.
Never buying Sena again. Faced huge issues with 30K .
sena got crunched by Cardo
How bizarre!! I have a $50 unit from Amazon that I've been using for about 4-5 years now and it has a crystal clear intercom, Bluetooth calls & music while riding, also has flashing LEDs on the side, etc., etc., etc.... I guess Sena assumes that if you have enough disposable income to afford a bike with all the accessories (exhaust, underglow, custom taillight, etc), then you may not mind overpaying a ridiculous amount just for a Bluetooth module. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Have you used one of the top of the line Sena devices? What you think is "Crystal Clear" probably sounds like garbage considering the speakers on these cost more than your whole setup.
Save yourself 300 bucks. Just get a good bluetooth headset and discord.
What do you mean discord?
@@selfrelaychat you mean discord app For kids ? 😁 guys what do you mean please explain 🙏🏻
@ thanks i found it , im gonna test it tomorrow
I see zero reason to move from a 50s for this
i bought the 50, but i'm never buying another intercom unit again. there's no innovation.
I’d take that bet on the 10-year run of “no innovation”. Zoom out on the timeline and 10 years ago talking to 4 other riders was new tech, now you can talk with 24+ with Sena.
@patrickmchugh8039 a ModMic in your helmet costs 1/4 of this, has infinitely better mic quality and noise reduction, connects to your phone and bike every time with no BS, works with any app on your phone like discord to connect with as many people as you can fit on the road with no scratchy connection or line of sight nonsense. Not to mention there's no tumor on the outside of your helmet.
@@512mbflashdrive totally agree, but i think it’s important to look at what consumers choose. Everybody can do the modmic / discord collab each time they power up to ride. But most people buy these style units or BT only units for the ease of use. It’s not like Sena and Cardo grew to be most of the market share for no reason. It’s also why helmets with comms built in already are big markets, just for the ease of it to a lot of non-discord types out there. I know I prefer discord for everything, but I still ride with my Cardo’s since most people I ride with won’t be bothered with Discord and chat rooms.
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