Rough Sailing on Catalina 22 in Patagonian Channels, South Pacific

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  • @howardcroft3748
    @howardcroft3748 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    That little outboard sounds like it really wants to be at home instead 😅🤣

  • @drivinglessons5813
    @drivinglessons5813 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I've sailed a Tanzer 22, in Georgian Bay, in Ontario Canada 🇨🇦, in 20 - 40 knot winds, and 3 metre swells, I was shitting bricks cuz we were healing so much. It was one of my scariest sails ever. But we made it, from Midland to Honey Harbour.

    • @ram07ish
      @ram07ish ปีที่แล้ว

      how's the sailing in the Georgian bay? Always been a bucket list item for me.

  • @RodrigoFernandez-td9uk
    @RodrigoFernandez-td9uk ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Somos el mejor país de Chile, hermano...

  • @joro8604
    @joro8604 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    U got some ball. Big seas, little boat, cold looking weather.

  • @Kyleinasailing
    @Kyleinasailing 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The Westerly Cirrus and the Catalina22 look very similar. I'v the larger version of the Cirrus, it's called the Tiger and is 25 foot.
    Next year begins my bit voyage from the Med to S. America and upto Puerto Monti. Patagonia in the winter, I have a diesel heater and full safety equipment. Good sailing.

    • @johncartelli
      @johncartelli 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      just bought a sirius 21 had a c-22 loved that too...but i think the sirius is a bit wider

    • @drivinglessons5813
      @drivinglessons5813 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wow, I could only dream of such a trip. Safe travels friend.

    • @byoobyoobyoobyoobyoo9785
      @byoobyoobyoobyoobyoo9785 ปีที่แล้ว

      Update us please, assuming the westerly is a twin keel with externally bolted on ballast, how did that hold up offshore?

  • @gigioecu
    @gigioecu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Probably among the scariest place to sail in the world. 50 degree water, orcas, sharks, tides, archipelago’s. And even though the Catalina 22’s are tough little boats, I would not take that kind of risk too often, if at all. This is the kind of place that commands respect, steel hull, and probably Antarctic dry suit.

    • @byoobyoobyoobyoobyoo9785
      @byoobyoobyoobyoobyoo9785 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Yeah well some people can't afford all that shit, sometimes you have to just roll the dice. I'll be heading out on a 26' sloop not much better than this one soon. Death can come in so many forms at any time but few of us on land are truly alive. I am just a slave zombie chasing a carrot on a stick.

    • @SailingFrolic
      @SailingFrolic ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@byoobyoobyoobyoobyoo9785bro you ok? What’s going on?

  • @zavman109
    @zavman109 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Reminds me of some rough tidal transition walls in the PNW but this is scarier. Exciting for sure, be careful, batten down and tie down the fuel tank.

  • @dieselnation555
    @dieselnation555 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Had my catalina 22 in rougher water than that taking 5 foot waves side on squid jigging gusts of up to 40 then i had some fun and turned her into the waves see how she liked it and she did lol im doing a full repair on her

  • @accfh6635
    @accfh6635 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My friend what a great video,,, thank you!!!!

  • @crowdog56
    @crowdog56 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Looks like a typical winter day on Puget Sound. I've experienced worse in my Cat 22; running with it isn't half bad. What gets to me is the cold...bbbrrrrrrrrr.

    • @teeheeteeheeish
      @teeheeteeheeish ปีที่แล้ว

      The Puget is way calmer than this lol

  • @tonyraul5140
    @tonyraul5140 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    cool Video

  • @guillermosanmartin163
    @guillermosanmartin163 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Patagonian waters are in the western South Atlantic.

  • @josephmistretta6211
    @josephmistretta6211 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    20 knot wind. You hit 11 knots. Did the jib stall?

  • @iandrake4683
    @iandrake4683 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Is running the engine necessary? Just curious.

  • @henriettacat3720
    @henriettacat3720 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Just curious why are running your motor??

    • @michailbelov6703
      @michailbelov6703  7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Because I have to make to a certain point to spend the night. That navigation lasted 25 days. Time is important, if i would sail on wind alone, it would have taken maybe 40 days. I am not a purist...

    • @tierneygibbs5117
      @tierneygibbs5117 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      A time line is the most dangerous thing you can have on a boat

    • @ExploringCabinsandMines
      @ExploringCabinsandMines 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Michail Belov love it, the only reason I want to sail around the world is I can't afford the gas ! Honestly I would motor at night.

    • @SuperBullyone
      @SuperBullyone 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      me too

  • @funfunnyvideos7351
    @funfunnyvideos7351 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Put up the jib and turn off the motor and start tuning to the right of the boat

  • @florianmarent5842
    @florianmarent5842 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi!
    I have de same sailboat without engine
    How many horsepower for the engine are needed on a catalina 22?
    Thanks

    • @michailbelov6703
      @michailbelov6703  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was using 5 HP two stroke, I think the maximum reasonable one would be 6 HP. Beyond that you would not gain much. With 5 HP you can make a decent progress against 20 knot wind (maybe 3.5 knots), and the maximum speed without wind would be around 5.5 knots. Going beyond 6 HP is really almost useless, only thing you could gain would be trying going against the sea/wind at 25-30 knots.

    • @crowdog56
      @crowdog56 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have 10 horse Merc on my Cat 22 which gives me plenty of umph. Despite what MB says, sailing on Puget Sound in bad weather makes the extra hp invaluable. Plus on no-wind days you can get somewhere in a timely fashion. My motor bracket weight limit is 125 pounds and the 10 horse long shaft is just fine for it. Cat 22 is a heavy boat so I really recommend using the biggest hp you can for a pusher.

  • @sirtaki2393
    @sirtaki2393 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why the engine with 20 kt and a jib?

    • @josephmistretta6211
      @josephmistretta6211 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Because it makes a great video, even though the gas tank was not secure according to KitKat, excuse me Kat Kitten.

  • @laura-ann.0726
    @laura-ann.0726 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've owned 2 different C-22's, both built in 1986. I've never been out in conditions quite this rough in a C-22, though. Well, maybe SF Bay a few times in 20 kt winds. I have a 1988 C-25 now, hull #5857. I would hesitate to sail even this bigger, heavier 25 in water this rough, at least with the sails I have, which are a 135% genoa and a big full-batten cruising main. If I were to purchase a 90% jib and a smaller mainsail with double reef points, maybe. My profile pic is in fact a shot of me sailing this C-25 in the San Joaquin River back in 2004. I don't know... C-22's and C-25's are nice boats, and sail well, but I wouldn't feel really safe in one out in the ocean in big water. They're "lake boats", meant for sheltered inland water, I think. I know that people sometimes sail them from the US West Coast to Hawaii, but I just don't think you could survive a capsize in one. The companionway is so large, and the pop-top too, that a roll-over would flood the boat so fast that it would be on the way to the bottom before you could even react and deploy a liferaft, assuming you had one.

    • @michailbelov6703
      @michailbelov6703  7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      well, all of the shortcomings you mentionned were resolved on my boat: companionway is 15 cm. narrower and higher, the poptop was glued firmly to the deck, the keel has 40 more kg. of lead at the tip, the keel box was strengthened, there is an extra positive flotation (600 liters), and there is a liferaft. I never use the 135% genoa, I have a 33 % storm jib and standard jib. And the mainsail, standard, was modified to add second reef line...

    • @laura-ann.0726
      @laura-ann.0726 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Where did you add 600 liters of flotation? I know there are many "dead spaces" in Catalina 22's and 25's, mostly between the outer hull and inner liner; did you squirt that 2-part liquid foam into those spaces and fill them? I think it expands it's volume 40 to 1 as it cures, but you have to be careful that it doesn't encounter any resistance: if it does, it will shatter the fiberglass as it expands. I am also interested in what work was done to strengthen the keel box. That's definitely a worrisome weak point if taking any swing keel boat into a potential capsize situation. If that 300-kilo chunk of metal swings back up into the trunk unrestrained during a roll or capsize, it can easily shatter the fiberglass .

    • @buddyvibe9043
      @buddyvibe9043 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      spraying foam into dead spaces , does not add flotation, as matter of fact it only adds more weight.. its all about displacement.. why a large board floats and a tiny pebble sinks?

    • @michailbelov6703
      @michailbelov6703  7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Once the boat is flooded, the foam actdually does add flotation....

    • @buddyvibe9043
      @buddyvibe9043 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      after the extra weight .. floods you quicker

  • @crawford323
    @crawford323 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Catalina had a fatal flaw in the cockpit. The lockers opened up to expose the bilge even though the companionway be secured.

    • @michailbelov6703
      @michailbelov6703  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      One locker was fiberglassed tight, the other had a secure lock mechanism

  • @katkitten1167
    @katkitten1167 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    That fuel tank doesnt look secure. If she heels or broaches you'll lose it

  • @billderinbaja3883
    @billderinbaja3883 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    With the cabin hatch open and loose shit all over the deck... not how I would approach these seas in this sailboat.

  • @dougssemi-retiredlife9690
    @dougssemi-retiredlife9690 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why don't you have your man up if you're running with the wind it looks pretty windy to me

    • @michailbelov6703
      @michailbelov6703  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well having 20 knots in your rear is not something you want to have with your main up. If you have for some reason to turn against the wind, you will be very sorry for having the main up. Even with jib and no motor I was doing hull speed (5-6 knots); with extra push of the motor I was surfing...

    • @jakedonnely4094
      @jakedonnely4094 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@michailbelov6703 Catalina 22 is perfectly capable little boat and mods u did to keel even better. There's people crossing seas in mirror dinghy. I think the Catalina should manage.

  • @jasoncox-rogers4842
    @jasoncox-rogers4842 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did the guy die at the end of that?

    • @TinShackVideos
      @TinShackVideos 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      the motor almost did...

    • @samstarr7766
      @samstarr7766 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      He resorted to cannibalism and ate himself.

  • @Paul-ou1rx
    @Paul-ou1rx 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait a minute? Other channels assure me it's all dolphins, bikinis, umbrella drinks and sunsets?

  • @joaquinocampo2683
    @joaquinocampo2683 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you remember Traiguen, Nalcayec, Simpson, Huemules islands? Puerto Bonito? Quitralco? I know that places pretty well. Tell us about your track and journey pls. sorry my poor english.

  • @terrulian
    @terrulian 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I've done a circumnavigation but not in the Catalina 22 I have now. This is reckless stuff. Gas tank not secure, and what are those weapons mounted beside the companionway? Good place to impale yourself. The prop would be constantly cavitating in a different, but not necessarily larger sea state. At least you had the companion way boards up. You got away with this, good on you. But don't encourage others to go to sea in a Catalina 22.

    • @michailbelov6703
      @michailbelov6703  6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Your observations are partially correct; gas tank is not secured, but it is not primary gas tank, I have a 45 l tank below the rear board with hose connector and there are two 25 l tanks from which I fill the small unsecured gas tank. These all are secured so that they can not silde out from below the board. I have run on motor in up to 4 meter high sea and 25 knot wind and the gas tank was never close to going overboard. Cavitation and prop water bashing, yeah... I was worried at first, and it hurts when the engines revs up with prop in the air, but after more than 400 hours of abuse, the 5 HP motor still runs very well. Obviously, when prop comes out into air too often, then it is time to shut the engine.
      The "weapons" are posts for jacklines. I have been sailing often alone, and in order to stay alive, you have to stay on boat. Even if you are thethered but go overboard, climbing back without help is most probably not going to happen... So I use very short tether lines (60 and 80 cm.), and the jacklines (attached to the "weapon posts") are going very close to centerline and slightly higher then the deck so that the short tether line allows you to stand up but does not allow you to fall overboard...
      I am also always tethered even if I am in the cockpit, and even in good weather...
      The video looks somewhat menacing but the waves were a max. 2.5 meter, even less.

    • @terrulian
      @terrulian 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@michailbelov6703 Good, Michail, thanks for the explanation. I agree with the idea of having the jacklines close to the centerline, and admire your attention to getting the jacklines right and using them. Maybe some padded or rounded ends?
      My concern about cavitation isn't with regard to wear on the engine; it is the lack of propulsion when you need it. It is possible to have a high sea and not enough wind to sail. But you don't even need a high sea for the prop to be less effective. A 1-2 foot chop will do it depending on direction relative to your course, or how organized the seas are. Or do you have a longshaft outboard? Seas are very different and every storm is different. One 4-meter sea can be fine, another deadly, literally.
      You're the captain, and you make the call. I wasn't aboard and didn't experience the conditions. I'm too paranoid to take my 22 to sea around here (northern California), or to put it another way, you've got way more guts than I do. I can get in plenty of trouble inside the Bay, and have been in quite a bit of difficulty outside the Bay in much bigger boats.
      Fair winds!

    • @michailbelov6703
      @michailbelov6703  6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Basically, no matter how high waves are (well, to a point), if there is no strong wing (less than 20 knots), you will always get some push from the engine. Main problem with Catalina is that it does not sail well against wind (for 18-20 knots winds I get around 60° true angle angle against wind), with high winds you need to reef (I have two reef rows and a small storm jib), with good reefs you can safely sail in up to 25-30 knots, but you will hardly make any progress against the wind (about 2 knots max), because Catalina has a big silouette (there are 5m2, and a reefed sails may have about 6 m2). But if you turn slightly off the wind, it runs great. Sailing half-wind in 25-28 knots will give you 5 knots and feels safe! And if you try to run the engine, up to 20 knots head wind/3 m waves you will get around 3-3.5 knots, at 25 knots /4 m you will make 2 knots. So this is the limiting factor for Catalina. Once I did a run along the Chilean cost (300 nautical miles unprotected Pacific) with the wind, but I was not able to return against the wind (I was making these 2-2.5 knots/per hour, and there very few safe places to anchor, which are separated by 40-45 nautical miles. I can not sail for 20 hours without pausing in heavy sea, it was beyond my capacity) and had to go back by bus, bring the trailer and drive back. But no one at the sailing club said that I chickened out in doing that...
      By the way, my Catalina was heavily modified - so it is not stock Catalina. And I would not dare taking a stock Catalina onto Pacific. You need plan A, B, C, and D on Pacific to survive. Stock Catalina is plan A only.

    • @terrulian
      @terrulian 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@michailbelov6703 Thanks, Michail, for all the great info. I myself singlehand the boat around SF Bay and from time to time get a bit overpowered. We have a roller-furling genoa, about a 130, and just one reef in the main; but reefing can all be done from the cockpit. I suppose with another reef and storm jib we might be able to sail in 25 knots but as you say you wouldn't get anywhere upwind. We can do 20 but I would say the boat is beginning to be a bit cranky sailing to weather right about there.
      I was out one day under full sail and a fair weather squall came through that had to be blowing well over 30. I was so overpowered that even with both sheets completely free, the rail was underwater. I was heading towards a shoal, where the boat would trip on its keel and capsize and I had about 30 seconds to figure it out. The only option was a jibe but I thought this would break the gooseneck or destroy the sail, not to mention the sheet decapitating me. So I lied down in the cockpit under the tiller where I couldn't see anything and pushed it to windward. Amazingly, she jibed without any problem and nothing broke. I could then reef and get back underway. This is only one of the incidents I've had the good fortune to survive in this little boat, which is safe and seaworthy to a point--just not the point of taking it out under the Golden Gate. Out there anything can happen and there are no nearby harbors. I would have thought the coast of Chile would be just as challenging.
      There is a lock on the folding keel which, in a capsize, is supposed to prevent it from folding back up into the boat and negate the righting moment. Do you sail with it locked? Ours leaked so bad I just glassed it over and will ask the sea gods to keep the boat belly side down.

    • @michailbelov6703
      @michailbelov6703  6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I have modified the locking mechanism a little bit: I have three bolts: for the original bolt I made a short hole in the keel, so that it locks without the possibility of sliding. On the other side I put two more bolts, one enters the keel into another blind hole, efectively locking the keel 100 % (but if running onto ground, most probably that would break the whole keel box. The third bolt works like the original bolt on the port side, i.e. it presses against the keel, but does not lock in, it can slide. I did it for the case where you may have danger of running aground, so you would unlock the two other bolts, and rely on this "sliding" bolt. The keel box is also strengthened... If you are interested, you can check out all the mods I did here: sailingchile.cl/Catalina.php
      I would not venture a mile into the ocean without locking bolts...

  • @EdwardStorlien
    @EdwardStorlien 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    How is the Catalina 22 handling big waves?

    • @michailbelov6703
      @michailbelov6703  8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Actually, not bad. The waves in the video are up to 2 meter high, I have sailed well up to 4-5 meter steep waves and up to 6 - 6.5 meter flatter waves. But in breaking seas (in storm), I would say the reasonable limit is about 4 - 5 meters.

    • @EdwardStorlien
      @EdwardStorlien 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +Michail Belov thank you so much for the information! I have a Catalina 22 myself, and Im thinking about longer trips across the ocean, but worried about if the boat can handle the sea!

    • @michailbelov6703
      @michailbelov6703  8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I am not sure whether it is prident to take her across ocean, but much smaller boats have done it! I have been sailing a max. 25 days with my wife on Catalina 22, so up to a month it is OK, but for longer trips it is defintively too small...

    • @EdwardStorlien
      @EdwardStorlien 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yea I think so too. My dream is to live the life like Wicked Salty. Check them on youtube!

    • @SailingPauHana
      @SailingPauHana 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Is the wind behind you? If so, why is the jib close hauled? Just curious. Looked like fun though.

  • @mrnickbig1
    @mrnickbig1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Right, running with motor and wind, with no main and a very sloppy jib, that provides no thrust.

    • @crowdog56
      @crowdog56 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, not all that impressive seamanship, eh mate? I'm puzzled he didn't use main but chose to cavitate that little motor instead.

    • @A_Pa-Plainjane
      @A_Pa-Plainjane ปีที่แล้ว

      @@crowdog56 I don't have much exp. but I was wondering, too.

  • @markJones38133
    @markJones38133 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video

  • @kd4nqy
    @kd4nqy 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    swing keel or fixed keel???

    • @michailbelov6703
      @michailbelov6703  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      swing keel

    • @kd4nqy
      @kd4nqy 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@michailbelov6703 I have a 1988 swing keel also...but i prefer fixed..

    • @michailbelov6703
      @michailbelov6703  5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      There is not slightest doubt that fixed keel is better. However, for transportation and launching, a swing keel is obviously better. To make it safer, I put two extra lock bolts on the other side of the keel box for a total of three. In this sense I hope it is as safe as fixed keel (even if hangers would fall off, the keel should hang on these three locking bolts...

  • @joshchiles9884
    @joshchiles9884 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sailing? No main or anything. You mean bringing it in on the motor?

  • @eric99vigne
    @eric99vigne ปีที่แล้ว

    Look cold

  • @Mgtowfreedom
    @Mgtowfreedom ปีที่แล้ว

    😂 I’ve had rougher waves in my bathtub

  • @leoannausachannel6524
    @leoannausachannel6524 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    cool end scary

  • @dandan3521
    @dandan3521 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    death wish 😱

    • @A_Pa-Plainjane
      @A_Pa-Plainjane ปีที่แล้ว

      well, he made it back to post the video !

  • @aceventura8890
    @aceventura8890 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what size motor did you have there

    • @michailbelov6703
      @michailbelov6703  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      5 HP. I would say it is perfect size. Anything above 6 HP will not do any better.

    • @laura-ann.0726
      @laura-ann.0726 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree. Both of My C-22's had 5 hp Honda motors, and cruised at hull speed easily at about 1/2 throttle in calm water. The only circumstances under which a 8hp outboard would be advantageous is beating directly into strong headwinds, and that implies very rough water, that you might be better advised to avoid, if possible.

  • @sheridanbaldwin8629
    @sheridanbaldwin8629 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Poor engine working for a liveing!! likes there's no tomorrow lol

    • @michailbelov6703
      @michailbelov6703  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I should have bought a 4 stroke, and not 2 stroke one... Poor me!

  • @maggieandjim1934
    @maggieandjim1934 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    ENOUGH ALREADY PUT THE SAILS UP AND SHUT THAT MOTOR OFF........

  • @Jacob-on5zh
    @Jacob-on5zh 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    yikes

  • @blessed885
    @blessed885 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pretty much a click bait no sailing just motoring 👎