AoE4 Unit Counters
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- Summary of the bonus damage and counters in Age of Empires 4.
0:25 The official counters chart
0:37 How bonus damage works in AoE4
2:20 Spearmen
3:08 Man-at-arms
3:55 Landsknecht
4:20 Archers
5:10 Longbowmen
5:35 Crossbowmen
6:28 Arbaletrier
6:52 Zhuge Nu
7:12 Hand cannoneer
7:53 Grenadier
8:15 Horse archer
8:50 Mangudai
9:05 Camel Rider
9:30 Tower War Elephant
10:04 Scouts
10:25 Horsemen
10:45 Fire Lancer
10:52 Knight & Lancer
11:22 Camel Rider
11:40 War Elephant
12:10 Siege units
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I think the most important thing to note from this chart. Is that villagers are an extremely good counter to livestock.
And are countered by boars
I’ve been playing AoE4 for a while now but I haven’t stumbled upon a wolf yet. Anyone has?
@@adrianchrostowski3613 like 5x a game haha. What maps are you playing on?
@@thorstenmarquardt7274 don't forget the wolves
You joke but are very good against rams and altilery
Historically men at arms do counter archers with their shield and armor in the context of European warfare. A heavy Warbow can penetrate riveted chainmail with gambeson, and some metal armor such as brigantine and cheap plate armor, but adding a shield will significantly reduce your chances of injury. The bow is more useful against unarmoured cavalry, medium armor and unshielded units. There are of course exceptions
we are talking about a man at arms not something like a heavily armored knight. I understand that they shouldn't be completely countered by archers but their sponginess is just absurd.
heck english archers are not that weak compared to the archer line. honestly they need a buff
Yes, cavalries should have low Pierce armor (even full plate + barding Knight isn't as strong as heavy infantry) but they should have immense bonus damage against archers (archers didn't have spears, they only have short sword for defending himself) just like pikeman against Knight. I made a list that + mean soft counter, ++ medium counter, +++ heavy counter.
Heavy Cavalry: + + + swordman, - - pikeman, + Light Cavalry, + + archer, = crossbowman, - - hand cannoneer.
Light Cavalry: + swordman, - - - pikeman, - archer, - crossbowman, = hand canonneer.
Swordman: + + archer, + + spearman, + crossbowman, = hand cannoneer.
Archer: + + spearman, + + crossbowman, + hand cannoneer.
Spearman: - - - hand canoneer, - crossbowman.
Crossbowman: = hand cannoneer.
@@redcastlefan the other archers use short composite bows that are more efficient. The English just overcomes this with brute draw weight. In terms of other cultures it depends. Some horse nomads shoot heavy bows too such as the mongols and manchus
Are history guys male equivalent of horse girls?
@@redcastlefan Considering that knights were also referred to as "man-at-arms" when they served in an army, there isn't much difference between the equipment of the two.
Though them "countering archers" is a rather weird claim by OP - bowmen were used extensively in the age of plate armour until gunpowder weapons seriously outperformed them. Real battlefields don't work like video games.
Sotl is probably having a field day making so many videos about this brand new AOE
yeah, great videos though considering how fast he makes them.
This isn't even his full potential, just wait for the scenario editor
"Brand new", riiiiight
this video came out at the right time.
Whilst not making civ overview of Poles and Czechs
The fact that Siege doesn't deal friendly fire keeps breaking my brain when I'm playing. And the Bombard doesn't deal area of effect damage, even though it looks like it does with its explosion and huge plume of dirt and smoke.
I ran in with 20 of them expecting Armageddon. I was surprised to say the least. Still a terrific entry though.
Does a little bit in a rly small radius
or the fact missiles literally cant miss. makes cav archers weak as paper.
It does do AoE
It's because it's a game made by amateurs
I feel like Men at Arms finally got the role they deserved, the backbone of the army. I still really dislike the heatseaking missiles everyone apparently has. Especially with siege it's very strong
Depends on the civ.
I understand why they have them for gameplay but the arrows bending in weird ways ruins my immersion
@@marinacurtis674 I honestly don't like it for gameplay either, it makes dodging impossible. The old thumbring/ballistic system I liked more, because that's realistic. And yes, immersion gets ruined a lot, especially with trebs or mangonels
@@HappyroosterYT yes, especially for medieval armies it also makes sense
definitely heatingseeking needs to removed, hope they do that which will make competitive play and skill based plays more exciting to watch
I want more Aoe4 content so I'm gonna feed the algorithm.
I want more Aoe4 content so I'm gonna feed the algorithm x2
replying to your comment to algorithm the algorithm
Yes
Indeed
I want more algorithm content so I'm gonna feed the AoE4
"One trick anti-ponies", I wish I could subscribe again. lol
I really love this game. It's basically what I hoped Age of Empires 3 was gonna be when I looked at those 3D images on its Steam store page after playing AoE2 with a friend for so long. I like how they added some stuff from aoe3 too, but a smart move to have aoe2 as 'foundation'.
In my opinion, I really don't enjoy the fact that early game has lost its value.
At least from the games I have played, everyone mostly ended up turtling themselves in, and turning everything into these long, drawn out matches, with barely any skirmishes.
AoE 2 had fun skirmishes, and you could out maneuver your enemy, by plopping up with an entire barrage of baracks behind his own town.
In AoE 4, maps are way way too large, for a proper rush to have any significant game ending effects.
@@SM-cs3nt i think the reason why everyone turtles is because everyone is new and does not feel comfortable fighting early game
@@SM-cs3nt Maps arent that large, its that i feel like everything is super slow. Really slow. Ships are also terrible. super expensive on both pop and gold/lumber, disgustingly slow, really hard to tell them apart from each other ( like many other units tho)
@@SM-cs3nt I have had the opposite experience. Age 2 timing pushes are extremely effective. I rarely go into late game.
Apart from historical setting, I don't see anything in which aoe4 resembles aoe2
I do like the concept of "Light" and "Heavy" type units in AoE 4. Even though they pretty much do exist in 2, they seem a lot more defined, giving more character to something like the crossbow only being a "better archer" in a tech line.
I actually really like how the unique units actually throw a wrench into the counters chart sometimes, it feels like they mix things up quite a bit more
Your profile pic reminds me that theres a mod called Age of Ethanol...
Paper, Rock, Scissors, Camel, Landsknecht?
@@SIGNOR-G Oh wow, didn't expect to see that mentioned here. Unironically a decent game, not nearly as good as aoe, but still quite enjoyable for what it is and amazing for being a fangame.
@@annaairahala9462 it is ironic how the series that mod is inspired keeps appearing wherever i go. Im not even a fan of it but since i took an interest in the music i see it everywhere
@@SIGNOR-G That's the baader meinhof effect for you
One thing I noticed during the 100 year war campaign is that the Arbalétrier is countered by the longbowmen due to the longer range. If the Arbalétrier has it's pavise ability up then it cant move, meaning that the longbowmen can safely shoot at the Arbalétrier beyond the Arbalétrier's range. If enemy Arbalétrier move into range and use their pavise ability all you have to do is move a few tiles back and safely fire at them from your superior range while the enemy cant shoot back.
The counters chart is funny. It is symmetrical along the diagonal (as expected) with just one exception: spears are bad versus crossbows, but crossbows are also bad versus spears
Mutually assured destruction
Two exceptions. Also crossbow vs knight. The crossbows just don't know what they're good against! XD
@@dekmar7954 IV crossbows get +1 range, so it is 6, on the walls it goes to 8, longbows can reach 9 on the walls. That 2/3 dmg reduction is also nice.
its illogic, if they are better against armored units, the also would have better performance against light units becousr they crossbow have better pierce attack than archer. they counter it should be archers and mangonel
It's a loose-loose situation.
Everyone dies.
That's how the world will end! 11
Me: sees Landsnecht
My EU4 run as France fighting the HRE Landsnecht hordes: *runs away and hides in personal union Scotland*
Love this channel for clear, focused info on Aoe4. Kudos mate
Bro you put so much work into these videos. Really appreciate you dude. This is the type of info I’ve wanted for like ten years.
So excit d to see more videos. Keep em coming! This game has become my new obsession but I'm a 30 year old who has played very little RTS games so need all the macro edge I can get!
Happy to see your channel back to life and getting lots of attention with the hype of AoE4!
I keep coming back to this video! Can't find these info anywhere else. Thanks!
Just started the video, and I cannot wait for the semiannual video on farming rates for aoe4.
Farming has indeed become a seasonal video for Sotl
I love how they included the villagers on that chart :D
Massive bonus vs sheep and weak to knights, sounds about right
Vills are a great emergency counter to Siege, it's a role most AoE2 players might not be aware of. AoE2 vills are good only against Rams
@@devangnivatkar2649 I think it's only 15 damage they do to siege and buildings, half of what infantry and cavalry do, but definitely better than archers before flaming arrows
@@weylin6 Hence 'emergency' counter
Actually, english vills with their range atack can be good vs vills. 5 english vills can 2 shoot enemy vills. And you cant fight them in dark age
I was SO needing this video!! Thank you so much SOTL!
Hey! Men-At-Arms' shields actually protect them against arrows now! Kinda feels like everybody has Huskarls.
aoe 2 counters: melee spears counter horses, thrown spears counter archers
aoe 4 counters: insert the crazy guy with papers and graphics behind him meme
awesome vid! love all the guides and hope we get to see some more matches :)
Water units not even considered just like AOE2.
Water is super simple in this game, Arrow Ships beat Cannon Ships beat Attack Ships beat Arrow Ships. Rock Paper Scissors, and you can guess the Dynamite.
@@GideonAI Nope its picking french, whoever gets to castle first or whoever lands on the other persons island fist build stone wall and put lb on it. In imp its all about the fireships dragging on the game for hours.
@@ANSELAbitsxb Longbows? Just use springalds.
He did talk about camels, didn't he?
Water mostly consists of "build more, build better"
From my experience the Landsknecht counters anything thats massed, even going against a ball of archers if only 5 of them reach them they'll melt like butter on a tank engine. I found high hp units with good mobility to be better at countering them since you can split them up better and not take as much splash damage. Theyre kinda like petards from AOE2 that dont die when they hit something XD
i have problems against mangudai, ther are fast i never reach them to kill and they kill my horsemen and army
Mangudai shred them
As always, the most informative info about AoE
I was hoping you would talk about this topic! Thanks!
Love ur videos! ive been stuck learning the new dinamics
Great work you're doing, Spirit!
I haven't played or watched an Age of Empires game in years, but for some reason I love watching this channel.
SOTL coming in clutch right in time for my lunch break thanks bud
@Spirit Of The Law I'm so happy you are making videos for Aoe4 keep it up :)
I was waiting for this. Love you SOTL.
Thank you for the information, now I know to balance units equally to prevents as much countering and excess damage.
Finally the counter guide from SotL, I've been waiting for this 😂
There are lots more counters than in AoE2, I like it.
But it might be too much for AoE4 new players, hope that won't scare them away
is there more tho? its basically the exact same units as in aoe2 with similar counters, id say its about the same. i mean sure, if youd count all the unique units from aoe2 itd be more but thats not really fair.
I LOVE AOE4 purely because it doesn't revolve around Scouts/Arches and Knights/Crossbow for 85% of the game, regardless of Civ XD
@@DarkxOver AoE2 mainly stuck with the single rock-paper-scissors, this is more like a mix of 5 with the heavy armor mixed in as well. Overall they are similar counters though, I don't think new players should have difficulty especially since they're quite intuitive and the bonus damage isn't hidden like in aoe2
@@DarkxOver No it's not the exact same at all. AoE 2 has no concept of light versus heavily armored units for instance. This plays into AoE 4's counter system, where the archer and crossbow counter different things. Crossbows don't counter knights in AoE 2 for instance, but they are one in AoE 4. Meanwhile Men-At-Arms actually stand up to archers better, unlike in AoE 2. Then there's seige, where the springald has reimagined the Scorpion in a way that's far more generally usable. Or water, where the water triangle actually works now, as opposed to the endless Galleon spam that is water warfare in AoE 2. Etc. etc.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn 1. light vs heavy is just trash vs gold with a new coat of paint 2. archer (aoe4) = skirmisher; crossbow = archer/xbow line, the comparisson kinda works tho i think archers in aoe 4 are a bit more universal than skirms, but thats nuance 3. xbow in aoe2 is a tough one, since if your good enough they basically counter anything and dont get countered by anything, but they hold up just fine against heavy cav, so id call that nuance once again 4. maa stand up really well against skirms aswell in aoe2 5. true, siege is the biggest change imo, with mangonels not hitting friendly units and no scorp. i could make an argument for the springald being a unit only bbc thats available earlier but thats kinda a stretch^^ 6. though i dont play water id say ur probably right with that. all in all, the basic land combat counters feel like its the same thing but repackaged, not that its a bad thing. most important is that ppl are enjoying it
Nice work, man 👏
Hell yeah. Informative video thank you :)
With 20 years of aoe2 experience and about 25 hrs in aoe4, i kinda feel like the man-at-arms need something. Granted man-at-arms certainly can do their job, lower pop needed lower gold cost and still tanky enough to get the job done. Yet still, I've been able to ignore man-at-arms for many situations in a lot of matches so far, and as an overall feel for the matches i've played, i can effectively play around the man-at-arms at many points throughout the ages by having their counters on hand, opening up the flood gates for me to spam cavalry and ranged units.
Its really cool that spearmen have a brace mechanic to help them counter heavy cav charges, and i feel like man-at-arms need their own ability as well.
Something like the ability to make a shield wall that can absorb cavalry charges OR ranged attack damage from archers, at the cost of heavily reduced speed. (keyword is OR, they should only reduce damage from one damage type at a time). I think that could create a more engaging dynamic, allowing the man-at-arms to perform better on the battlefield vs typical counters, at the expense of requiring a higher skill ceiling with micro and the increase in spatial awareness late game to avoid the devastation of mangonel shots vs a deliberate blobbed group of infantry.
EDIT : Ontop of the fact that they'd be even bigger sitting ducks for crossbows. Sure their shield wall can reduce the incoming damage from ranged attacks, but the crossbowman extra damage bonus should still penetrate the damage reduction simply because the man-at-arms are moving so slowly they open themselves up to more bolt salvos.
I think giving man-at-arms that kind of ability has the potential to give the counter system a lot more variety and increase the number of potential outcomes, let alone the plays required to pull them off.
A whole 25 hours in AOE4? *Laughs in 85 hours*
PS. Men at Arms are fine. They fill the role they're designed to do. Giving them extra resistance against crossbows or absorbing cavalry charges negates Horsemen and Spearmen. MAA are a general purpose, slow moving meat shield unit and they fill that role perfectly. Start giving too many bonuses to one particular unit and suddenly we end up back in AOE2, where Archer/Scout and Crossbow/Knight rules 80% of the game
@@shykorustotora Im not sure if you read my entire post.
"Archer/Scout and Crossbow/Knight rules 80% of the game" is precisely the strategy im able to use in aoe4 with glaring success so far.
@@darkranger116 On the contrary. I've seen lots of people TRY to use archer/horsemen and fail miserably. You can have 8 archers and 6 horsemen. Give me 10 spearmen and 2 mangonels. GGEZ
Tip: Siege can reload while moving so if you have the technology that lets them pack and unpack faster, you can hit and run (kinda). Abbasid are also great because their spearman have double range too
@@shykorustotora if there are mangonels or other aoe weapons, they just delete enemy infantry, or even knights, if theres enough of them. Chinese bombards with 12 range and fast fire are awesome. AoE siege weaponry is really bad because of no friendly fire. They are surely expensive, they track the target, so one can evade it somewhat. But a whole formation ? 3 stones and each one does aoe. Surely it is not guided, like gun arty, but that one is not doing aoe, which is good to prevent arty overspam.
Springalds and other non-aoe can overkill a single target, but a mangonel has no such issues, even if intended target evades, others are getting it and on top of that no friendly fire = bad. Perhaps increase the rock spread, reduce each stone aoe and then you can increase the rock damage. So that the rock hurts, it actually would need to hit. Those hyper-fast rocks, those should also fly slower. A balanced approach. Right now there is nownside to wide aoe at all.
@@cdgncgn This is touching on the point im trying to talk about.
Every other unit type in this game has so much going for it, and man-at-arms are kinda just sitting there.
- Archers and siege weapons have 100% accuracy forever, all the time.
- Cavalry have speed and now ALSO have access to extreme burst damage through charge ability.
Man at arms have... ??? They CAN still tank. But I can literally achieve the same outcome in many different situations with a line of spears and ranged units while my cav wreck absolute face from the flank.
""Why bother worrying about MAA when i can use those resources for units that the game gives so many advantages to already. Every second spent on MAA can be spent on crossbows and spears instead, while simultaneously covering more counters with more versatility than my MAA could provide.""
This video has helped me so much!
Aoe4 is quickly becoming my fav aoe and I have been playing since 98
"One trick anti-ponies" I spitted my coffee
Very excellent content, thank you very much!!
thank god it has a description with timestamps
Spirit of the Law, I'd really like to see a video about if spearmen with the Abbasid Phalanx tech can counter men at arms. Would be really interesting to see, and very relevant for Abbasid players.
I was waiting for this.
Thanks man!
Cant wait for the farm rate video
i love your videos, thanks
Would be fun if they did elephants like in total war, if you 'annoy' them enough with projectiles they can go out of control and trampling everyone around them, enemies or allies
"Rampage" is one of the most hated Total War mechanics though
@@shykorustotora Yeah, but I think it has a place in the game.
@@yellow13_ It's however probably not really needed when siege and monks are a thing
@@shykorustotora TH-camrs are not the whole player base
@@martijn9568 I just said it has a place in the work, if it can be countered it doesn't mean it's not dangerous (in this case for both the opponent and yourself). You don't always have a monk, you don't always have siege, you can't always counter an enemy. The mechanic can be there in AOE as well as far as my analysis/opinion goes.
If you micro manage the fire lancers, you can take out basicly anything. You can go against armies and prevail. But you have to charge the enemy so the gunpowder goes off, so only fight in downhill or flat ground. After charging, run away for a few seconds, then charge again. Repeat until everyone is dead. It's alot of fun if done right.
I won a match last night with 1 second on a wonder left by mass converting this dudes elephants
I just don't like the fact that monks can't convert without holding a relic. Now they are more like defense unit, although very effective.
@@sontunghoang7161 I feel like the Rus Cav monks are the best. They create a bonus when they attack and are way faster with their monks
@@SilverKnightPCs scary unit :(
ty very nice
one of the Best Age of Empires 4 Video ever made. Could you please add the new units :)
9:45 I've been playing delhi a lot lately and bombards are an alright soft counter but you need a large mass of spears in front just to block the from getting in close because once an elephant is in there is no running away from it. However, something underrated I find is the springald. The springald is cheaper and with even just a few of them it's quite easy to micro down an elephant. They're ironically faster too despite being siege. Tower Elephants are not siege, but I'd argue that springalds are a hard counter to them.
Horsemen are deceiving because you'd think that bonus damage will help, but it's really not enough and complicated by the fact that a normal elephant hard counters them so the delhi player only needs to mix in a few elephants to protect themselves against any onslaught of horsemen. Knights are also tricky because you'd think they'd be good, but if the delhi player has crossbows o the elephants and other normal elephants it is way too costly. Best to stick with siege and spearmen, maybe backed by crossbows too if you're confident with your micro
Edit: I missed a big one, the ribauldequin is a ridiculous counter to elephants. The only problem with it is like the bombard you have to have units in front to block the elephants, however if you have the choice always go ribauldequin against elephants.
there is a crossbows upgrade on elephants., Something not mentioned in the video, IV crossbows have 6 range, while archers stay at 5, meaning, unless youre longbow user, archer is pretty much a filler unit in most cases. Longbow 7 range, IV crossbow 6, archer 5. Guns 4 (chinese 4,8. Walls also give +2 range.)
Hooked on this damn game haha! Missed AOE!
A common late game I Have seen that you may one to mention is walling your archers to deal with their counters.
I have seen people make square forts with a single gate and put archers and hand cannons on it with a nest of bees or bombard in the center. It is a defensive set up but one that in some cases is more devastating of a defense then a keep and allows you to attack with your defense later.
13:16 that stuff is the fuel of my nightmares, the french royal knight-archer-ram push
I've been waiting for this video ha
I like pairing longbow with men at arms from English civ because they have unique armor upgrades to make them super tanky.
i love your videos man, but what about the rams and the tower? the 2 siege weapons that infantry can build?
I can rush an opponent within 8 minutes with archers, spearmens and 2 rams, its a hard to counter rush
A note with the men in arms vs knights... HRE men in arms are a fairly hard counter to knights (though not the hardest) with the maces upgrade, with two handed weapons increasing it even more.
Two handed weapons by themselves make HRE men in arms a neutral counter to knights, with a slight advantage when knights are only using melee and already used their lance cooldown.
English men in arms with the armor clad bonus has pretty much the same effect as two handed weapons, however having the battle last longer so hit and run tactics using the lance cooldown from knights would be slightly stronger.
Would have been useful to see unit costs next to their stats.
Thanks for uploading this in really good definition. I was starting to subconsciously think the game looks like crap after watching a bunch of low Res uploads (of course I still wanted to play it anyways) but that opening scene was crisper than an ice cold Fuji apple.
It begins.
Since you made so many videos about aoe4, are you gonna make civ overviews too? there's only 8 of them.
But each one is vastly different from the others, so it'll be a lot more effort than just comparing techs, bonuses, and unique units.
I feel like cavalry can counter everything, and because of France's land mark that allows you to build cav early and later on have passive healing makes them very powerful.
No scenario editor on launch? I know they said no modding, but... Huh?
Oh well, this only further strengthens my idea of not buying games on launch, especially these days. If I don't buy it on launch, I can't be disappointed by lackluster launch content.
It's an alpha game... obviously they haven't put everything out yet.
@@asterlofts1565 it's not an alpha game, it's a fully released triple A title at full price
Yeah, you're not the targetted day one audience if something like that disappoints you. Better wait a few months.
@@PhilGerb93 There is no day one audience lmao, they just ship a half-completed game these days and patch it up over time. Games these days lack features in every department and only add them after release.
It's horrendous. Please boycott this sub par, shallow money grab only profiting on the name
Still trying to figure out which faction suits me best. All these videos with little behind the scenes tidbits are really helping me come up with a full picture of each. Thanks Spirit 🙏
Chinese if you enjoy turtling and can cope with stress
Rus if you just want to dominate
english if you like rushing and castle drops
french if you are a noob
mongols if you like being agressive
abassids if you like booming on multiple tc
hre if you just want a solid civ you can do with whatever. You can go all in feudal and if arent able to end the game you can rush to imp and then out boom your enemy using the tc landmark. If you take reglitz for castle landmark you have the strongest lategame.
deli if you are usually a defensive teutons type player.
@@ANSELAbitsxb thank you sir. This is all going into my "picking my fave" database.
You sing quite a bit of praise for the hre. You play them a lot?
And may I ask you to elaborate just a bit on the rus 😅 they seem quite powerful with all the early gold generation, but how do they dominate?
@@khamulthewack4732 With the rus you have full map control with multiple scouts and always feel like you in the drivers seat of the game. You have strong feudal options, in castle you get even stronger with monks and horse archers (food and wood) and then in imp you get streltsi and really good siege.
Personally I main china and abuse rus while they op. Hre are a great civ imo, lategame gold is an issue and they have the best solution to it and then they are solid a every stage of the game. I played them alot in the beta.
@@ANSELAbitsxb I like your answers man, ty. I think I might go for the HRE or Abbasids. The HRE for what sounds like a fun, balanced experience, and the Abbasids to piss off the French ^.^
@@khamulthewack4732 I started playing hre again and they are gonna be my main.
Their fast imp and boom is just insane. ;)
Great vid , two errors: France also have access to the culverin via landmark. Zhuge Nu does very high damage to horsemen making the match up far less one-sided than other archers.
In medium or larger numbers zhuge nu counters anything with low armor such as other archers and even horseman.
it looks like we're heading into another 20 years of age2
Please reconsider AoE4 content. Eagerly looking forward to it!
When both units are on walls, I've found crossbowmen to be a counter to archers, actually. The defensive boost the crossbowmen get makes them virtually impervious to arrows, but the same is not true for the archers being hit by the high damage crossbow bolts.
Then there is the fact that, with a 200 unit cap, it's better to have 50 xbowmen in the late game than 50 archers. Even playing as the English, I feel crossbows have a strong role.
Well that would make sense, since crossbows are traditionally the more effective option when trying to fire out of towers and such
Is there a techtree with all this information available already somewhere online? I'm sure you would know SOTL!
The camels being so expensive is likely to offset the Abbasid Dynasty's trade bonuses, which gives them a nearly infinite eco if uncontested or if they fortified around a neutral market.
That and most of the camel techs are more support oriented, giving bonuses to the units around them rather than improving their own stats, therefore it's usually better to have them protect your siege in the backlines than charging them up front.
Can you make an updated counter chart based on your info? That would be very handy
Now you can REALLY teach the English a lesson with your new Men-at-Arms!
A comment for YT algorithm. Love AoE4
I'm surprised you did not mention the brace for impact bonus the spear line gets from idling/standing their ground against a charging cavalry group. You press stop moving just before a line of cavalry charges and the spearmen will do an animation (with a cd) that negates the charghe damage and stun +root them for roughly 2 secondes where the spearmen are free to dps .
Likely an oversight
Use stop/idle instead of stand ground and they will automatically turn and face the charge. In stand ground mode they only face one direction.
Still only in the campaign, but I'm loving the Mangudai. Works well even against its counters if you micro.
When you mass them, they act like a river. Enemy cant give you directions, and you wash them away.
I really like the mangudai too, a bit refreshing to see a ranged unit that can finally attack and move at the same time.
As powerful as they are, they are absolutely repelled by foot archers and defensive buildings
@@weylin6 which is historically accurate. There's a reason the Mongols needed to forcibly recruit siege engineers and used feigned retreats to break up enemy formations
Mangudai will get absolutely destroyed by my abbasid camel archers. I feel like every low-mid elo player is just spamming mass mangudai as fast as possible and unplugging their keyboard and just clicking around blindfolded with their horde of mangudai.
The PvZ music woke something in my heart.
Also, great video, thank you!
Did you do all those fighting game videos? Voice is hella familiar.
*Clicks to watch a video about AOE4 units and their counters. Ends up getting a multiplication class* xD
Although horsemen technically counter archers a large group of archers can still be a very costly engagement for them. Do to the horsemen being lightly armoured.
That's why horseman is a 2+ counter and knight is a 3+ counter.
ayy lets go AOE4
My knights couldnt even reach the Mangudai. I only see seige and Archers being a counter.
best comp mangonels horsemen and archers? sweet
Sotl will have field day with new overview for aoe4
The heat seaking missiles though...
My bet is that originally the archers bonus damage was against "Light Infantry" and got nerfed to "Light MELEE Infantry" before release. That would explain why they have a 3+ matchup in the chart (which it probably was made before the nerf) while not really hard countering crossbows in the released game.
The Rus cav archers have almost the same range as longbowman (after improvement)
AI AoE2 army composition seems to be the pro army composition of AoE4
Interesting thing on a chart is that only crossbows have total of 7 minuses and 6 pluses, while others have equal number
I'm curious about effectiveness vs resource cost (and pop cost?)
Curious about camels
curious how streltsy fare in melee combat compared to regular archers? the in game description seems to imply they would be a bit better in this regard
Nice they actually tell you attack speed
when you calculate with integers i guess implementing an additive system instead of a multiplicative one makes more sense even if the "logic" behind the numbers hints the thinking of the latter
It probably makes things easier to balance. Also, it's easier to understand when a unit receives more than one buff at the same time.
this was great! can't wait until we get some deeper dives into certain unit actions and combos (though that might be limited until we hopefully get a scenario editor)
one thing I did spot which sounds right up your ally SOTL is that spearmen, when stationary, appear to brace their spears against incoming cavalry in a sort of special action. it'd be interesting to know if this is just an animation or are "braced" spearmen getting some kind of extra anti-cavalry advantage, maybe similar to the longbow palings?
9:24. Until this moment, game perfectly follow history except Mangudai being horse archer (in reality they are unarmored shock cavalry like Ottoman "Deli" (literally means crazy or mad) cavalry) but camels in history is much cheaper to feed than a horse (horse eat 5 kg barley and 6 kg water while camel (dromedary) eat 3 kg barley and 2 kg water). However, Camels weren't used in battlefield except for intimidating horse because it is not as agile and strong as a horse.
Mangudai were horse arches btw, native to the Steppe as far back as the Huns, Parthians and Scythians. Fun fact: The "Parthian Shot" was created by thee Parthians. Previously, horse arches mostly fired from one side. The Parthians with their recurve bows were able to fire from all angles, in particular the Parthian Shot was the art of shooting directly behind them, making chasing them near impossible
Not entirely true, the Abbasids ironically didn't use them in the battlefield other than for supplies, but many peoples did as they have some advantages over horses in certain environments. Other than intimidating horses, camels were used for harsher environments as they adapt much better than horses and they were also used when gunpowder became much more spread as they don't panic with the sound of guns
@@shykorustotora Urud-Manghud were shock cavalry. I don't say they didn't use bow throughout history. Urud-Manghud tribe is written as shock cavalry with their courageous and fearsome charges in the Secret History of the Mongols. Parthians and Huns aren't relevant for this topic. I don't understand what you are claiming.
@@shykorustotora Btw, Archer and horse archer are auxiliary unit in Medieval armies. Main force of a army consist of melee units like heavy cavalry and heavy infantries. For instance, Mongols, Göktürks, Ottomans royal troops were heavy cavalry and their horse archers used to be tribal irregular forces.
@@Asterix958 Well what can I say. If you don't know what I'm talking about, I guess that just means you don't know as much about Steppe history as I do. Not your fault, just makes your opinion less educated
Best man