10 year old battery, reconditioned using a welder.
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- I reconditioned a battery that sat for years, this battery was 9 years old and is completely usable now
This link is the battery load tested after fully charged
• Battery reconditioned ...
Welder
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Charger
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Load tester (better than what I use)
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A battery restore person told me to filter the old battery acid. Dump old acid out into a 5 gallon bucket with a filter to catch lead debris. You need to clean the old battery acid and then reuse it later.
Then mix hot water with baking soda and fill battery up, shake it real good. Okay to be rough with battery to break up electrical hairs that short out battery, baking soda should clean out the inside of battery.
So after battery sits for 20 minutes dump out baking soda water and refill with clean distilled water and shake dump out all water until inside of battery is clean from baking soda. Then refill with old cleaned battery acid, top off if needed with distilled water.
Then hit battery with a arc welder, but don't go above 85 amps, go until all cells are boiling, leave off cap covers let battery boil for 5 to 10 minutes. Then let it rest 10 minutes repeat about 5 times or until all cells test good with a battery acid tester in each cell.
Put battery back onto a real car battery charger and charge it at highest amp setting. Or better yet use a de-sulphate mode on your charger and leave it over night, make sure to charge up battery again. Test battery for voltage, should be around 13 volts and test load on it with a good load tester.
Should be good, but you might have to hit battery again with arc welder, then retest. If battery won't respond then you might need fresh new battery acid and charge battery again.
The purpose of arc welder is to break up the electrical hairs that are shorting the lead plates inside your battery. And the baking soda will clean most lead hairs corrosion inside battery. Hope that helps you. 😮😊
Another thing is, your should have connected the welder to the battery posts FIRST, before you turn the welder on; otherwise, you could welder/melt the posts. You were lucky this time.
Thanks for the info
Not only that, it could blow the battery up
Holy Crap!!
@@PRSH8YAPROJECTS 1 10
Can this be done with ac welder? Kind regards
THAT is the most beautiful 10 year old battery Ive ever seen, its visual appearance is perfect in every way, I believe I am starting to get a woody
I just did this to a mower battery from 2010. It was heavily sulphated and failed the load test. After about 10 5-minute sessions @ 40 amps, its back to new and holds charge
Glad to hear, I did it on my generator battery also and it worked
I tried this method. 5 cells came back to life but one cell just boiled water out. Was a 12 year old battery with dry cells. I figure the cell that boiled out was shorted. Will attempt again with a battery just not holding a charge, about 5 years old. Thanks for the video.
You overfilled cells. You only fill the cell to the bottom of the plastic holes/chutes. There is a cut out in the shoot to allow for venting. You should apply power from your welder for 10 to 15 minutes and then allow it to cool for an hour and repeat 4 to 6 times. As long as the plates are not warped you have a pretty good chance of reviving an old battery.
Can this be done with ac welder? Kind regards
@@branislavlukic3919 It must be a DC welder
How hot can the battery get? I got it cooking
just reconditioned a 7 year old dead battery, 29 group, used dc welder, @ 67 volts @ 30 amps for for 8 hours. tested battery at start , 10.12 volts after, 12.8 volts with 900 cold crank amps. success. 150 bucks saved. it works.
Thanks for the information. I watched a few videos on how they rebuild batteries so I can see how this would work on most batteries that just need a good inside cleaning.
Appreciate your comment!!
A 200 amp battery charger does the same thing as the welder. Other vids on it. It works every time. Boil 15 min then cycle off for 60 min. Repeat cycle about 6 times.
Im doing my car lead acid batteries now.. some things you need to do first.. remove caps covering battery cells. make sure your using a DC welder.
Next make sure you hook welder connections to battery first before cutting on welding machine. Reason i say this is once your battery fluid starts bubbling, thats pure hydrogen gas escaping. If you wiggle leads with machine on it will arc badly on post and arc s will hit hydrogen gas and release a gun shot explosion spraying battery acid in your yard. (Neighbors will start looking out windows.. ) reason again safety glasses. Dead batteries will require more amps. I started my dead six cylinder car battery at 40amps (very low bubbling) . I did this in 5 minute increments.. then 5 minutes off.. if you smell welder leads burning turn it off for 5 minutes.. i gradually turn my amps up to 75-90 and faster bubbling happened. Better very careful , hydrogen gas escaping.. do out side. The faster the bubbling the less desulfated your battery is becoming. Cut back amperage.. check your battery voltage each cool down cycle.. 12.2 max…
I did this and saved battery. It does work!
Currently trying the same with a 80Ah sealed battery. Removed the cover by force and filled the chambers up. Then running a DC Welder with 60V on it for a couple of minutes to let it cook. Up to now it seems to get a little better ..
What was the ultimate end result?
well done chikki man
will u make a follow up video is this battery still working or how long did it revive it?
Thank you for the viedeo. But kindly let us know- for how much amp rating of the battery - how much amphere from welding machine is to be given . That is very important.
I am a lithium iron phosphate car battery manufacturer. I can give you the newly developed start-stop battery for you to test.
My contact email is
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Hi i whant to no how long did you put the inveter on the battery then you thurn it of and on again before you charger it
LOL - 'If you decide to do this, which I don't recommend'
Nice one Justin! Keep the videos coming. 🇬🇧
Thanks for the comment
Hello, I did it exactly the way you did it, but something different happens to me. I have a Güde 135 welding machine, after I connected the terminals there was extremely strong sparks and the cables were hot. I haven't even put the plug in the socket yet, how can that be? was I wrong? Thank you very much for your help
I tried recently as well, but it didn’t work. A few tips for you: 1, The solution/electrolyte swells when being charged, so fill water to the bottom of the edge; 2, charge to FULL first (with a dumb charger if smart ones won’t charge), and then do a load test; then 3, try the welder trick, 4, charge to full again and do another load test.
Appreciate you taking time to comment
i have tried this trick on numerous lead acid batteries, and have yet to see it fail when done properly.
1) you are correct on this part, make sure all the fluid levels are good.
2) DO NOT pre charge battery with battery charger. You wouldn't be watching this if a standard 12v battery charger had any long term effect on the battery. You're going to be hooking the battery up to 120 v @ 150 amps. This MUST be DC voltage. If it doesn't register that this voltage and amperage is MORE THAN 10 TIMES the TOTAL output WATTAGE OF a 12V CHARGER ON an 80 AMP start assist, and therefore do everything the 12v charger will do, plus a little more, then you don't understand what your doing well enough to be safely attempting this experiment, go study chemically produced electricity more, come back no sooner than you understand or charging actually increases risk of catastrophic failure of the experiment significantly.
3)hook ground clamp to negative battery terminal and attach stinger to positive terminal using vise grip pliers to CLAMP END OF WELDING ROD to terminal. DO NOT ATTACH STINGER itself directly TO BATTERY, BEFORE SUPPLYING POWER TO the WELDER. Set amperage to aprox 150 amp (you can start lower and with up to this, but i have not had any of my more heavily sulfated batteries come back satisfactorily at less amperage on the final sessions.
4)IMPORTANT!! make sure vent caps are off (or at least that all 6 cells are well vented), then turn power to welder on. Once all cells begin boiling, start a 5 -10 minute timer. After each charge session, TURN OFF POWER TO WELDER BEFORE doing ANYTHING ELSE. Allow battery to kool 15 -20 minutes. Repeat approx 5 sessions EXACTLY AS DESCRIBED, and your battery WILL be good as new.
5) Once again, DO NOT CONNECT to 12 v CHARGER, again, IT IS NOT CAPABLE OF SUPPLYING any MORE POWER to the project battery THAN the WELDER did. If your battery still is not fully charged without ever seeing a 12v charger during this process, then it is not sulfation killing the battery, it is a problem with the internal structure of the battery.
@@thomasvisser5189 do you mean 12V @150Amp?
Also, it sounds like you have been using this trick on batteries that were heavily sulfated and wouldn’t take a charge, right? Could we do the same to an old but good battery? Normally it has sulfate issue inside as well. Thanks!
@@jrm163 although i do realize the welder makes us of a step down transformer so it doesn't run 120 v, but it is significantly more than 12 still. Even a 12 v charger puts out closer to 15 v than 12. When charging a battery you have to over voltage it at least a little. If you were to hook a 12 v power supply to a 12 v battery, as the batteries charge gets closer to 12, the amperage drops off, and the flow of power slows on an exponential curve. The reason i said 120 was to intentionally scare anyone that doesn't really know what they're doing from trying this, cause it is extremely dangerous if not done right. Pushing this much excess power through a battery with the vents closed, the battery will explode (not a fireball type explode, the gas buildup will force the cells to rupture somewhere and you're gonna have sulfuric acid fly all over. If you don't turn the welder off before disconnecting the battery, it's very likely your going to be engulfed to some extent in a fireball).
With an old but still functional battery (charges and holds around 12.5 - 13 v), i really wouldn't advise hooking it to a welder, just because you can likely bring the battery back to like new with a standard charger.
I do hope you weren't insulted by the way i spoke with my first comment, you're inquisitive and knowledgeable enough where you can pull this without disastrous results, as long as you're careful and pay close attention to what's going on. But there are a lot of idiots that are going to see this vid and think they can do it too. Hopefully, though, most will just have it not work cause they were to scared to go big, but I'm hoping my comments will detour a couple of the idiots that would go big enough with it to but be going home after...
Did you use an AC or a DC welder? Mine's an old model and it seems to be AC so it does'nt work good.
So I tried multiple times with the identical welder and I only had action from 1 or 2 cells tops, lower amps for prolonged periods seem to be resulting in more cell action, I made my own solid state battery charger out of an old microwave size transformer and a big 200 amp diode, this outputs 30 amps at around 14v, which seems to be bringing the battery back and making almost all the cells boil so far...
It's a battery balance charge, each cell gets sulfated more or less then the others during the life of the battery. Over a long time some cells become too sulfated to accept a charge at all. By overcharging it your burning of sulfation from each cell, hopefully most of it on all cells. Going from an overcharged state slowly down to a normal charge state cause also cause sulfation. That's why some people after the final overcharge will put a small light on the battery then bring it down to 80 percent charge, then give it a final 100 percent trickle charge.
I this with three batteries. All three would not take a charge when charged with my shop/rolling battery charger. I then cycled 10 min 250 A "boil" 30 min cool 10 times on all three batteries. One of the three came back to life and is still in use today 2 years later. The other two not so much, cores LOL. Soooo my take is if you have the time and an older "dumb" charger, try it.
Hey thanks for the comment and update
Will this work on 8V golf cart batteries?
What is your welder plugged into ?
Why didn't you load-test it BEFORE doing anything to the battery? How do you know the state it was in before you did anything to it?
Check a few of my other videos and you will see that I do
Can this be done with ac welder? Kind regards
Or even tried 'de sulfating' sitting on a agitator / vibrating machine? Loosening the bottom part of battery? While or before it's charged?
This is worth a try if you have the equipment to do it.
I got a computer SMPS/ATX, there are different cables for different volt/amps, there is of wires that can supply upt 24v, 24amps. Do you think with a setup like that desulfation would work? will it make the water boil? I have tried pulse chargers, so far no luck.
I'm sure it would make it boil but idk if you should try it. Do so at your own risk. I haven't check the amperage of my welder
A 3M subscriber channel recently did a side by side test of 3 different remedies, including a de-dulfator. The welders worked best out of all of them, and the desulfator ended up making the battery worse! Search TH-cam for the following video:
Myth Busting! Can You Restore a Dead Car Battery With Welder? Let's Settle This!
Earth clamp to negative on battery..welding head to positive. Connect negative first then positive..the turn on.reverse to unhook and turn welder off first. Up your amps slowly.jt might take a few attempts to get all cells bubbling. It de sulfates the plates. Same as the big heavy duty chargers at garages,and battery reconditioners
Thanks for the comment
On a Tig welder the ground is positive and the torch is negative. Should they be switched so the ground is negative to negative on battery
What welder did you use? I see the ARC-200 but don't see one that matches it on Amazon.
It's linked in the description of the video
No way that battery sat outside for a year. Colors on the label are like new
Yep it sure did
Please clarify the positive/negative setup.
In welding, one can have AC, DC rod positive, and DC rod negative. Please state the choice on the welder.
And please state which end of the battery is positive.
See my other videos and they detail the answers to your questions
I would advise that if you haven't experimented with batteries and trying to rejuvenate them enough to know the answer to these questions, it is highly advised you do not try this. This is something that is highly dangerous if you have not done extensive research and or experimentation with lower voltages and currents.
did you use a ac , or dc output welder ??
Dc
Obvious it must b DC. Ac has no positive or neg.
@@jasonhardy2880 you think an ac welder has no pos and neg ? have you ever seen one ? I use them daily and I assure you they have poa and neg. connections. the ground clamp on either ac or dc welders is the neg and the stinger is the pos.
dont ever ever ever turn the welder on first again my bro,nothing to do will melting the post its the spark that will ignite battery gases,get a lottery ticket lol
Thanks for the feedback
Can I do this to my 12v 200amps gel battery? Thank you
No
The welder hookup to battery...guessing negative to negative and positive (welder stick side) to positive battery? At 50 seconds you said/showed negative welder to positive battery terminal...which I am guessing is wrong? Thank you.
Negative to negative, you are correct
@@PRSH8YAPROJECTSbefore 50 seconds you had the black clamp connected to the negative terminal. After 50 seconds you connected it to the positive terminal. Why?
Is it work on tubular battary?
Will have to try that
The boiling of a battery will charge a dead battery but will not repair a battery with a dead cell or one that will not hold a charge. Best fix is a new battery.
It specifically repairs batteries that will not hold a charge. It is correct that dead cells are dead, but this will, indeed, rejuvenate a battery that won't hold a charge, so long as sulfation is the reason it doesn't hold a charge.
my welding machine is the old one that is big. can i use it???
It must be a DC welder, I couldn't really say if your welder will work. Try at your own risk
how many volts does the welder output?
18-19
I rattled and banged a battery off the car then charged it normally after it had just gone dead for no reason ..it worked, guess I was lucky this time!
Be very careful with that acid
Wooo!
Badly done that spark can blow up battery in your face do all connections with welder on off then power up 🤙it works
AC Volts or DC volts ? Please .
DC welder so DC volts
If you Are asking AC or DC then you should not be playing with batteries!!!!
@@aneshramsaroop8436 thanks for your comment
When you said it’s showing 75 amps and other nonsense. It’s not non sense and it’s not amps that is displayed. It’s the percentage of charge reached. It uses an algorithm with time and voltage to calculate the charge capacity reached.
That's great info, thanks!!
I suspect the battery will go back to life without the welder trick, as long as you use a dumb charger. The welder trick is more to desulfurizate.
Hey thanks for the info
@justin although there are multiple ways a lead acid battery can fail, sulfation is by far most common. You can take a brand new just bought today lead acid battery, and if depleted far enough (process seems to noticably begin once voltage dips below 9v approx) it will sulfate, and begin giving problems taking and holding charge. If your lead acid battery dies of anything other than sulfation, neither a 12 v charger, nor a welder will bring the battery back until the cause of failure has been resolved. I can tell you from dozens upon dozens of experiments with various 12 v chargers. You might be able to partially restore a lightly sulfated battery on a 12 charger, if you're lucky. You can not bring back batteries with moderate to severe sulfation using a 12 v charger even running almost 1000 watts (12 v @ 80 AMP), even if you leave them on said dumb charger for extended periods of time...
@@thomasvisser5189 thanks Thomas! Is it true that the welder trick is to boil the electrolyte and melt the sulfur crystals? If it were true, a big microwave oven may work as well, if it’s big enough. How do you think please? Thanks
That would be exciting to see
If you have a heavy-duty (200 amp plus) battery charger, then by all means use that but if all you have is a dc welder then use it rather than shelling out $250 for a charger you will use at most once a year to give a battery a deep charge
Drop the battery on the ground a couple of times. Not very of a high drop but good enough to where it breaks any corrosion that are on the plates inside the battery make sure that the Caps are on before you do this then before you add water to the battery take six aspirins and put one in each cylinder add your distilled water and yes bring it to a high charge let it boil but she already broke the corrosion that is crossed over onto each plate now you'll start seeing it bubble each cylinder will start to bubble if it does not bubble at a high charge that means that cylinder is crossed and it's not going to charge so you drop the battery again to break that out and it works just put it on a high charger for about an hour reduce it and then slow charge it for a couple hours.
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@@PRSH8YAPROJECTSwtf is that supposed to mean?
Empty batter first flush with sodium bicarbonate two or three times until the mixture becomes clear, fill with Epsom salt mixture and charge. If you still have problems, use welder 40amps 5min leave to cool for two min. Repeat three to five times.
I am going to do the flush part and refill with sulfuric acid, the charge. The problem is if you don’t empty the battery out of all the blackened water you still have a battery full of dirty acid.
Oh yeah and choose life don’t let sparks occur anywhere near a battery. In Engerlad UK where I live price of new start/stop EFB are £150-£500.
Can this be done with ac welder? Kind regards
How no one ever build a battery dat can be taken apart, replace only those badly sulfated plates ??
Don't try at home? Well i try in my garage instead then!!! Edit: you overfilled two cells, bad! I'm gonna try that too with my 200amp welder, my car battery (EFB) shows 12.3V on the voltmeter.. though it starts the car NP since it's just 1.0litre turbo..
Round sticker says 5/18 or 5/19. Month of manufacturing. Everstart Maxx has 3-5 year warranty. That battery hasn't been outside. It looks like its almost new.
Sticker says 5/11, and yes it sat outside my garage for over a year along with 2 other batteries
Why does nobody have a voltmeter connected while doing this whats the damn voltage!
the load meter shows voltage
@@PRSH8YAPROJECTS yes but i want voltage when welder is connected.
them inverter welders are like 18 to 30 volts
I was cautious about hooking my meter up due to ruining it, but now I'll have to try it. Thanks
My meter says around 17.8- 18 ish while cooking batteries. I'm currently in the process of boiling 8 batteries. They have been just sitting around for years at this point some are last winter dead and some are 10 years of sitting in my garage. I know the older ones off gas super bad so don't do it inside and stay away while cooking. I have a respirator but hydrogen sulfide gas is very spicy and will hurt you.
Tried this and FAILED, but i think my old welder is an AC type unit, and this needs to be done with a DC type one.
I did mine with a DC welder, check a few of my other videos
dod one of mine with an old ac unit did fine just took way longer
Thanks for your comment
yes
Already done by others
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What is the DC voltage of the welder
19+ volts, just make sure its a dc welder
Be careful you don't spark near the battery while doing this process or you may get a hydrogen explosion in your face!!!!!!! Been there do that when I was young
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i have done 10 batteries this way,,,, none worked 0 for 10.
Battery acid $12 at auto parts store🤷🏻♂
THAT WAS A BAD MOVE CONNECTING THE CABLES WITH THE WELDER TURNED ON. GOOD WAT TO BLOW UP YOUR BATTERY.
the way you did it you are lucky you didnt cause serious injury. never use the stick side by it self. use a vice grip and clamp on the end of it. also you never turn on the welder until the cables are hooked up first. never over fill the cells, should be filled 1/2 from the top on each one. set the welder at it lowest level for 5 minutes, then let it rest for 10 minutes. repeat the process 6 times. by you rushing the charge can cause harm to you and to others around you. rushing only comes with greater mistakes. the theory does work but it takes time. if you dont have the time then dont do it. also the charger your using is a bad choice. digital chargers are no good to this, 200 amp charger non digital is the best route.
What about ,225
225 amp?
Comments R like assholls and albose every one has one don't listen to them I don't see anyone trying to help like U there just inercorsing the K9 trolls
Is it 100% truth.?
Not 100% yet, but it gets better each time I run a cycle thru it
I just put out another video take a look
MAYBE DRAIN THE BATTERY AFTER RESTORING IT,ADD NEW ELECTROLIGHT?BASICALLY WHEN YOU ARE CHANGING IT WITH WELDE,YOU KNOCKING ALL THE CORROSION OFF THE PLATES..SO INSING THE BATTERY OUT AND ADDING NEW ELECTALIGHT WOULD SEEM LIKE THE WAY TO GO? STAY WELL,THANK YOU
What about dry battery
Not a good idea
Its still dead
That battery is not that old, look at the condition of it, you do know batteries let off hydrogen gasses that are extremely dangerous an you are making sparks by hooking up the wrong way ? You should change your name to Danger mouse 😂😂😂
stop saying "don´t try this at home", it is getting so annoying, and, i am assuming you are at home, right?
I tried it at home and got battery acid in my eye. Next time I'll take it to a shop and do it there.
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@@PRSH8YAPROJECTS Did this method work mate. Thanks for the video and your time. I’ve often wondered about how long brand new batteries are stored before being purchased and how they keep their charge after being made?? Thanks buddy 👍 🇬🇧 🇺🇸
Has on the last 3 batteries that I have used it on. Don't forget to subscribe!