Revive a Dead Battery (with a welder)
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A dead battery can be a costly repair, but what if you could revive a battery that will no longer take a charge. In this video I attempt to revive/recondition a battery that will no longer take a charge. Thanks for watching !!! Special thanks to my wife and daughter for the thumbnail!
see how the battery is holding up 1 year later • Reconditioned Battery,...
music by TeknoAXE's Royalty Free Music: Driving Into Oblivion
The following video may include hazardous and dangerous activities, which could result in property damage, injury, and or death. This video is not meant to be taken as anything more than entertainment. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
I just uploaded a simple 1 year update on this videoon this battery in case anyone is interested in watching. Thank you for watching, I appreciate it!
Here is a link th-cam.com/video/piU14K56DiA/w-d-xo.html , or just find it on my channel
Just a warning when using this technique, make sure the battery is full discharged and that it has enough water but not too much because I've had them pop and blast acid all over me even though the welder wasn't even turned on. Once to connect the welder DO NOT DISCONNECT THE WELDER UNTIL YOUR FINISHED! I start by setting the welder at as close to 0 as possible when I connect it then turn it on and crank it to 60 until I see the cells start to bubble. Then turn it up to 70,80 then 90 and I stop when all cells start bubbling at a good rate. I kill the power and let it cool 30 minutes then hit it 1 more time for 1 minute starting at 60 and repeating the same process. After that your either good or the cells are toast and there is no saving it. Always wear long sleeves,gloves, and glasses with a box of baking soda water close by to neutralize the acid should things go bad. Also Don't do this alone because from personal experience it's hard to find the soda water when the acid stars melting you eyelids shut. Be safe.
Everyone's techniques are different, but safety is one thing that's always stressed. Sorry to hear one popped on you. Some of the things you commented are repetition of what I said in the video. Although the way I followed my process was different, it worked...maybe I just got lucky, but it still worked.Thank you for watching and commenting
This guy probably has a dress on with all his warni gs maybe some high heels
Good to see you back man, great video!
Thank you, great to be back, thanks for sticking around, much appreciated
hey thanks for sharing you experience, i hooked up my miller dynesty dx 300 stick tig machine and works good.
setup as dc stick.
Whoa! I dont think id risk using a miller for this process, but glad it worked out for you. Thank you for watching !
I have a battery charger that after doing regular maintenance charge the battery isn't holding the charge. I started looking into reconditioning the battery and saw other videos speaking to using a welder. I didn't have a welder or know someone with one. But just watched your video and similarly if I buy a welder that can possibly save the battery, then it's a good investment as a tool that instantly pays for itself.
Thanks for the detailed video and going to give this a try.
It is in interesting process. Please take note of the warnings and precautions in the video, and be safe. Thank you for watching and commenting
I tried a regular battery charger, then a low amperage solar charger and both did not work. Thats why i attempted the welder
That's one thing I have noticed and definitely plan on having safety items on hand. Baking soda to neutralize any acid just in case. I will always try the charger first, but if this works. I may do this every couple years as part of the regular maintenance. I saw that video that you referenced as well.
I just wish I knew this sooner or had thought to look into it. To think all the batteries over the years. But I'm really hopefully this will work and can start extending the battery life from now on. Actually thinking about it, have a battery that's been sitting for a while, for a different vehicle that isn't running, will try that one as well. Which if it works for both it's already been a good investment. 😊
@@TRINInDC925 i think uncapping and topping off the battery is the 1st and most important safety measure
Very true. I even do that when using the battery charger. I'm looking at getting a welder and trying this by the weekend.
I'll let you know the results.
Great vid lot of info. So I say forget the baking soda and the epsom salt just top off with distilled water and go through the charging cycles, thanks.
But please take precautions, no disconnecting or connecting cables while the welder is on. Make sure area is ventilated. Thanks for watching!
Best detailed video I've seen so far! I just subscribed to your channel. I've been binge watching videos on how to revive 12v batteries with an inverter welder but couldn't find any videos with details like yours, Thank you for the details. I'm also trying to revive my 12v batteries. Do you use 120 volt or 220 volt to plug in your welder?
I bought an Amico 200 Amp welder that also can be plugged into 240 volt or 120 volt but I don't know which power to use.
I plugged it into regular 120volt outlet and used a multimeter to test the current on the welder output (negative to Clamp and Positive to electrode holder, set the amp dial low at only 10 and got a reading of 93 volts, then cranked it up to around 40 and still same output of 93 volts. I won't try it on the battery until I know this is normal. How many volts does yours read? I used a Craftsman multimeter like yours set on 200 Volts DC.
I used 120v, but i did trip a breaker. The total voltage output of my welder is 18v. It is possible that the 93v reading on your welder is due to an open circuit, meaning its not attached to anythong. Im just assuming it wasnt attached. I tried to fill in all the details the other videos missed, but in the mad scramble missed videoing the welder amperage settings and the battery temperature, as well as the voltage output. Thanks for watching! If the battery fails or if it makes it to the 2 year top off, ill post an update video.
If you do try it tho, be sure to uncap the battery and use good ventilation.
😅😅 Thanks man,i just ordered an dc welder machine. My trojan t105 are wainting for me
I had a car battery with very low cranking power. Barely enuf to get started despite frequent charging. The battery was accidently completely shorted out & discharged. Then recharged off the alternator after a jump start. That was enuf to get it back to working normally.
Some batteries are like that. Some can be discharged just once to completely ruin them. Well what i thought was ruin, before i learned about reconditioning. When i worked at the dealership, at times i charged batteries like you described. It was easier and faster than a 2 hour slow charge, when the customer was impatient and wanted their car asap. Ive seen cars come in not starting, when i open the hood, the top of the battery (the whole top) had flown off when the battery exploded and sprayed acid, everywhere. Ive seen battery draws(drains) repeatedly discharge a battery to the point the battery was damaged. I worked on and saw alot of electrical problems at the desalership. Thanks for watching!!!
Can you test out the welding gun/drill from TEMU?. Thank you and stay awesome. Love your channel..
Thank you for watching! I just buy tools as i need them. If i had any TEMU products I'd give my honest opinion. This welder is pretty nice as an entry level tig welder though. $200 for the welder, $15 for tungsten, $15 for a simple on off pedal, and $380 for a 100% argon cylinder ☹
It only does steel, but it can do pretty thin stuff, it also gets you comfortable using the tig torch/tungsten, fusing joints and adding filler. This machine also has an internal gas switch and it has high frequency start up. Those are high end options! Now that ive gotten the chance to use it more, Id definitely recommend this welder.
Nice work bro.. New subscriber.. Thanks..
Hey i appreciate it, thank you!
I'd like to try the welder trick with a very old sears battery I've got out here
Its an interesting trick, but you definitely need good ventilation, even outdoors a fan blowing the gases away woukd help. Thanks for watching and commenting, much appreciated
a buddy of mine said last batteries bought was in the 80s , still has the same 3 battery in use , every couple years he zaps them few times & good to go , but he uses one of those big chargers on wheels , that has the 200 amp boost, so evidently they do last ,
Thats cool! I keep hearing about the 200amp chargers. I used them at the dealership, but it always felt sketchy at 200amp. Lol, like using a welder isnt more sketchy. I think knowing what i know now, if i used a 200amp charger, id still uncap the battery while charging, top off yhe water with distilled water, and charge it in a well ventilated area. Thanks for watching !!!
Helllo, nice video. And you said it worked good on two idifferent batteries. It could work good on many more.
but it only takes one bad time to pay for it the rest of your life.That is very dangerous. Do not do this alone. And take all precautions.There are also other ways to get a bad batteryto take charges. They dont all ways work.
It was an experiment, and i took precautions, but thank you for your concern and thank you for watching!
Have that welder ordered. Trying on two 6V 425 amp deep cycle batteries.
I was electrical forklift mechanic in military. We had a lot of ventilation for charging areas. It was dangerous as in explosions and absolutely take your breath if vent fan was off.
Please be careful, make sure the welder is off before connecting, disconnection, or even moving connections to the battery. One viewer told me he was moving the clamps and the hydrogen exploded.
just to clarify your hooking positive to positive and negative to negative. I have a similal welder and I'm going to give it a go on diesel pickup.
Yes, positive to positive and negative to negative. The connections must be made before turning the welder on as a spark could ignite battery gases, and id prefer charging the battery away from the vehicle. Thanks for watching!
If one cell doesn't start bubbling after at least tries the battery is dead. The battery will work in the summer but as soon as fall comes around any 4 cylinder vehicle will need something with at least 600 CCA. 700 ~ 750 CCA if you have an mid size SUV.
The battery trick does also work well with a battery charger that has a 75 or 100 amp engine booster in it.
The guy was from youtube chanel
sweet project car
Thanks for watching!
Tried it today went well at 90amps till I smelled something burning.. so I decided to wiggle my ground clamp only for a gunshot bang went off in my ear .. I’m fine no damage .. rule 1. Do not move clamps while in operation.. rule 2. Do not touch welder clamps while working.. rule 3.. cut machine off if you smell something burning as not so set off hydrogen.. rule 4. Keep your distance..
Oh ! Wow man, be careful. Yes you dont want any sparks near this thing, its why the clamps are attached and removed with the machine off. Glad you are ok though.
I’ve watched hydrogen pop during a generation. Scary ain’t the word.
DUH,
Who would'a thunk,, weld'n a battery will fix it,, wonder if "they" knew this but never told us,, cool video Brother,, lern some'thn new all the time,,
God Bless You
**Love the finn'd Corvette valve cover,, I had an Olds Rocket but it grew legs,,,
I believe the battery manufacturers do this process (likely with some other high amperage device)to keep batteries fresh.
Yes a set of those finned vette covers will make their way onto my sbc soon. Thanks for watching, i appreciate it! God bless you!
I’ve watched a few of these stick welder battery fix videos, but I’ve never seen an accurate explanation of the set up.
Is the welder set to DC + or DC- ?
And the stinger is + and the ground clamp is - .
Should the battery be above the welder?
Thanks
Good tutorial.
It's a cheap DC welder set DC positive, that is with the stinger at the positive terminal. And yes, I accidentally stumbled into making the video as detailed as possible given the stress of trying to not explode, lol. But seriously mind the cautions and be careful, thanks for watching!
I just uploaded a simple 1 year update on this video in case you are interested in watching.
Here is a link th-cam.com/video/piU14K56DiA/w-d-xo.html , or just find it on my channel
YEAH, I THINK YOUR EXPERIMENT IS WORKING. GONNA TRY THIS...
So I charge rate 100 plus Amps is required to break off the crystalline sulfation. So it's the higher charging voltage across each cell that is required. High Temperature I think is what you don't want. Hence the need to allow batt to cool. The high frequency low current charging with an cheap $25 pulse repair may be a gimmick that dosn't work. ??? Must do some experiments. Or is it charging at a higher average power rate that is needed. ??
If the answer is no, may be pulse repair charge designed correctly can work. Say with 2000w pulses but an average power of 50 watts ????? Lets see 2000w/12volts= 166 Amps. Now is that possible with a relatively safe DC voltage .say below 25 volts. I know connect 3 old batts showing 12 volts in series for a minute but with one in reverse. Will that desufate the one in reverse, Charge the other two up try again. Then do a load test, All need is jumper cables, 3 old bats and a cheap no electronic trickle charger.??????
Thats some interesting theorizing. Do uncap the batteries though. Thanks for watching !!!
Another way you can do this is by getting some more acid and make sure you have enough acid in your battery also might want to strengthen it a little bit just to be sure that it will take that charge because it wants to have a little more and it might take a little bit higher charge the next time.
HOW DO YOU CONNECT THE WELDER TO THE BATTERY? JUST A SIMPLE NEGATIVE TO NEGATIVE & POSITIVE TO POSITIVE CONECTION FROM THE WELDER TO BATTERY?
Yes, positive to positive, and negative to negative. All connections and disconnections NEED to be done with the welder off, to prevent sparks and possible explosions. I cant stress enough how this is a dangerous process, please take precautions. Eye and face protection, ear protection, and good ventilation.Thank you for watching!
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Ha haaa, most creative comment yet, thanks for watching! God bless you too!
You welcome, brother 🙏 thank you for the info.
By the way, I'm from Arab country. we measure manhood here by long beard...hhhh
@@dinosaur0073 cool! What country?
Sultanate of oman 🇴🇲
i have a baterry charger with 12v and 24v options. i accidentally put it in the 24v setting with my 12 volt car battery. instantly i noticed the water inside the battery comes to boil but due to safety precautions i immediately put the charger to 12v setting. do you think it has the same effect with that using a welder?
Not sure, the welder I used had an 18v output. I would definitely uncap the battery and have good ventilation if I was trying the 24v option though. Thanks for watching !
Yes. My welder puts out around 25v while it’s putting current through a starter battery. Heck my “smart 12v lead acid charger” will get as high as 16.8v when charging a flooded starter battery.
1. If a battery is completely dead and won’t take a charge, use the defibrillator (welder) you’ve got nothing to lose.
2. If the battery retains somewhat of a charge and shows ok voltage charge it up around 17v 5-15amps for *5-10minutes* with the caps off. Let it rest for 10 minutes. Repeat 4-5 times while making sure the water level is sufficient. It will desulphate the plates and allow more current through.
3. If a battery is operating properly, charge it normally.
@@SilverTreasures im not sure what does the trick, the voltage or the amperage provided by the welder. Im leaning towards the amperage. I did try multiple charges on yhis battery with a 40a charger, and for a month with a solar/trickle charger. Neither made a significant charge. I have used battery chargers with a "start 200a" feature but only enough to start the vehicle.
@@rustedhorsepower5132 it’s the higher voltage that allows the high current to, more or less, be “forced” through the sulfated cells allowing them to take a charge and release electrolyte trapped in the heavily sulfated cells. At least that’s my theory 🤪
@@rustedhorsepower5132 I’ll take old small motorcycle batteries to autozone and swap them (core charge “cart”) for deep cycle batteries that show good voltage and get near to full capacity. And if I can’t revive it, I’ll go swap it for another one. I’ve gotten full sets of 6v and 8v golf cart batteries and sold em on Craigslist for $600. The core size when swapping doesn’t matter, they just keep a count of how many. Try it sometime 👍👍 make more battery video content!!! You rock man
15 minutes 200 amps let cool to room temperature repeat 4 more times. As long as the cells have not been frozen you can fix any battery
Is that with a battery charger or a welder? It seems like alot more than what i did with the dc welder, but if it works for you. Thanks for watching!
What if all the cells are boiling after the third go around? is that enough? I'm charging at 10A right now to see if it will hold a charge or does the initial blast charge it with the 200A? Thanks
I've got a Chinese welder. Wonder How this would work on a long dead 6 volt battery?
Not sure, this welder was outputting about 18 volts, it could be too much for a 6 volt. The most important things is uncapping the battery and watching the time cycles. Thanks for watching!!
I've tried this with a battery charger in the start mode 200 amps !/2 hr on 1/2 off 10 times was successful I'd be afraid of a welder if there is a internal plate issue sht can blow up
I believe the trick is uncapping the battery so it can vent gasses. The amperage used is pretty similar to the 200 amp setting on the charger. My battery recondition was a success, and the battery is still doing great, thanks for watching!!
Intersting…but DC output voltage of average inverter welder is about 70-75 v.Desulfatisation voltage has to be exactly 16,3 v.Is the trick to “shock” the battery chrarging with the higher voltage with high current short time (5 min) instead low voltage low current for an hours ??
The output vtage of this dc welder is 18v, i did not monitor the output voltage myself, i only have the rated spec. The charge cycles were 6 minutes charging and 10 minutes rest, 6 total cycles. Its been roughly 7 months and the battery is working great thru hot 100 degree Fahrenheit weather down to below freezing maybe 18 degree f. Thanks for watching !
@@rustedhorsepower5132 18 V ?! are you sure ?Did you measure voltage ?For mig welders could be about 20-30 vbut for MMA must be much higher…As I know and im very familiar with the welders,first time I heard the inverters output is so low…
@@milospopovic6978 that is what is on the paperwork for the welder, 18v. But like i said i did not verify with my voltmeter while charging
@@milospopovic6978 you can google specs , the welder is a stick/tig TL-200T.
@@milospopovic6978 his welder is probably reading 60v-80v without load... and only 18v while its connected to a load... a lot of these stick welders ive seen are like that... as long as you measure its 16-18v while charging the battery, i dont think it matters if its 80v without load.
Using a 200 amp battery charger for 15 min on followed by 60 min rest. Repeat cycle 5-6 times. Some batteries might require a more cycles. NAPA has a 200 amp charger for $200ish BUY no more batteries
To be honest I've never tried a 200a boost on a charger past a few minutes. But for that long of a period, I'd probably uncap the battery so it could breath. I did try a conventional charge on this battery at 40a for several hours, and even a solar trickle charger for a month straight. Charging it with the welder is the only thing that worked. Thanks for watching !
How is that battery holding up now?
Still doing great, it's in my daily driver so, 5 days a week morning and evening, sometimes at lunch and even weekends I start it up and drive. Thanks for commenting and watching!
@@rustedhorsepower5132 o feel better about investing in the equipment needed now. Thank you.
@@laurablackmer7705 just please be careful with this process. NEVER connect or disconnect or even move the clamps while the welder is on.
Be very careful when charging batteries with high amperage.
Yes! Ive heard stories of them blowing up, spitting acid . Its not an exact science, but i found "uncapping" allows them to breathe and NOT build pressure. The other common mistake is connecting or disconnecting with hydrogen gasses still present, easy recipe for a POP! i retested the same battery a year later, and at the 2nd year mark i will be doing a mini recondition to it again. Thanks for watching!
That was luck knowing that the readings weren't quite there but let your alternator charge that battery and do more driving.
Um, altho an alternator can put out a generous amount of amperage, they usually cant revive a sulfated battery. Or maybe its due to the battery being charged, and discharged while the vehicle is running, thats interesting, now you got me thinking...
How many volts was the welder putting through the battery while charging?
I didnt check voltage while charging, but the welders spec is 18v. Its very dangerous attaching or removing leads while charging. Any spark could ignite the hydrogen gas the battery is venting. Thanks for watcjing!
Its normally running high 10s for voltage.
@@chrismitchell559 the machine is spec'd at 18v, but i have seen tolerances beyond the specs on other things.
And this welder is also DC current
What is the voltage used?
I was only plugged in to a 110v outlet, and amperage started at about 60, then to 90 and 100 on average, and maxxed at 130. I wonder if using a 220v outlet couldve done the same job easier, maybe 5 minutes instead of 6? Thanks for watching!
@@rustedhorsepower5132 I mean the voltage output from the welder to the battery, not the input. My welder's output is several times the 12v battery rating.
@@vanstechcorral this welder only had an amperage amperage dial, and it is inverter type, so maybe the output voltage is fixed? Ill look into the specs
Not sure how accurate it is, but the spec says output voltage is 18v and amperage 200a.
@@rustedhorsepower5132 Hi Rusted. Yes the out put in voltage from the welder has two stages ... OCV (open circuit voltage) and CCV (closed circuit voltage). Most OCV on most welders is around 80V. This is the potential voltage that exists between the tip of the electrode and the workpiece prior to welding. When you strike an arc or attach the leads to the battery the voltage drops to CCV (generally 18-24 volts DC) and is the voltage that is there that carries the arc. Voltage (CCV) x amps is power that is running through the battery to desuplhate.
Don't the batteries over heat during the process and isn't that bad for the batteries?
The temp. Got to 150 degrees faranheit on the outside of the case, and i honestly do not know if this causes any long term damage. But even in normal use, batteries get hot when charging and discharging, they also absorb engine heat. I even believe sulfated batteries get hotter because of the internaI resistence on the plates. I did longer charge cycles on this battery, and it is working fine to this day. I do not believe that the heat stress damaged it. Thank you for watching !!!
Its been over 4 months, and the battery is in a daily driver. At the 2 year mark i plan to recondition the battery again with a single charge cycle, and keep this battery alive as long as possible.
Appreciate your concern bro. Keep up the good work.
@@qashmirqhan thank you, i appreciate it ! In case the battery fails, or reaches the 2 year mark, ill do a folow up video . In the meantime, ill post more content. Again, thanks for watching !
@@rustedhorsepower5132 ask yourself about the melting point of lead. What you should be doing is cleaning out the precipitates from the bottom of the battery. By draining the battery and filtering out the acid into a bucket. Then you flush out the battery to get rid of any other particles at the bottom of the battery. THen fill with epsom salt and distilled water and then charge it at a high amp this is to shake out the sulfur deposits and burn out any shorts. It will boil. add distill water charge again. THen drain it and refill with the original filtered acid that was in it earlier.
Batteries are like people. When they die they are dead forever. If you check the internal resistance it is way high. This is like trying to reform a capacitor in the electronics world. Many people attempt it but the results are short lived. I can't blame you for trying. I have tried it many times and failed to get any useful results. But you will never know if you don't try!
I can't say for every battery out there, but this 1 is still going strong without signs of failure...past the 1 year mark. Thanks for watching!
Resistence is interference, an obstacle that won't allow current to flow. So...if it can be cleaned off...or "baked off" wouldn't resistence be reduced...and current flow restored? Not of course , when dealing with a "bad cell", but WHY does the bad cell happen? Why do some batteries melt their case near their terminal lug then leak? Why do some batteries fail after a year while others go past 6 years? Why do some batteries JUST EXPLODE under the hood while under normal conditions. I saw many battery failures as a dealership tech, and always wondered...why? A small percentage of this could be from manufacturing defects, and up to this point I DO believe there are some battery manufacturers/brands better than others. But I also believe...sulfated/corroded plates internally cause internal heat and actually cause a larger percentage of common battery failures.
I just uploaded a simple 1 year update on this video in case you are interested in watching.
Here is a link th-cam.com/video/piU14K56DiA/w-d-xo.html , or just find it on my channel
Looks to me battery has a bad cell
No, the battery was just left inactive for too long, it eventually drained and would not recharge with conventional methods. Thanks for watching!
we welding or messin with batterys damn. o by the way. what do you all think a welder is ... hahhahahahhaha funny its a charger to .... take 2 batterys you can weld with them .. no idea why people think this is such a big deal
"Take 2 batterys you can weld with them " ? Not sure what you mean , but thanks for watching !
@@rustedhorsepower5132 stick weld with 2 car batterys. wire them togther in 24volt and use jumper cabled and stick weld.
@@XPFTP hmmm, OK, never tried that one.
JUMPED many big trucks with old Lincon 200amp portable welder. much =50 years 0il patch mechanic.