I think that any card graded below 9 should require an explanation from PSA. They should have to tell you exactly what caused the low grade. I honestly believe they do it just so you’ll break them open and try again. That way they make even more money.
That's why I don't like PSA. They don't tell you why the card got a low grade, if it was the Centering,??, or the Corners??, or the Surface??... Would like to know exactly why the cards got a low grade.... Even why the 9 are not 10's and what made it a 9. It would be a whole lot better to everyone in the Card Community if PSA told you why the Card got a a low grade.
A few things that will really, really help you with choosing what cards to submit: -Use a jeweler's loupe (5x magnification or better) to look over the front and back surface. I can guarantee most of the cards where you can't figure out how they got a 7, 8 or 9 are because of some minor ding or scratch not noticeable by the naked eye -Look at the front and back of the card under a white light - any dings, scratches, creases or faint print lines not caught with the jeweler's loupe will be noticeable this way -Try to measure centering by at least 1/16th of an inch increments, BOTH the top/bottom and left/right sides - you need at the worst 60/40 centering on the front, but if there are any minor dings on the card or questionable corners, PSA will likely require 55/45 centering to give the card a 10 -Check the corners, front AND BACK. If you notice any slight crease or bend, you're not getting a 10 - very likely an 8 at best In addition, there are ways to clean up your cards before submitting that may help with scratches / dings / corner issues that don't involve any type of alteration that would disqualify the card from grading. Searching youtube for tips on this would be beneficial **Editing for one last helpful piece of advice: unless you pull a rare / expensive card that you are trying to get graded and on the market ASAP for that sweet, sweet seller's premium, always try to compare your card against others of the same type that have received 10s. You can try to find pictures of other 10s on eBay or PSA itself. You may notice the printing / stamping is slightly off on your card compared to a 10. The best example of this is 2020 prizm cards - at the bottom of the card there is an impression surrounding the nameplate. A lot of these impressions are off center on 2020 prizm cards and will grade lower because of it. Sometimes the grader will miss this, but more often than not they will catch it. The same impression is around the "RC" chevron at the top of the card - if this is off too, it likely won't grade a 10.**
@@ov_.17 Doesn't really matter, just your personal preference and what you think you'd be most comfortable using. I use a handheld with a light, but some people like using the overhead one or one that clamps onto your table. The magnification and good lighting is really what matters - I've heard PSA uses a 10x loupe, but that's overkill in my opinion. A 5x loupe will reveal everything you need to see, or at least it has in my experience.
Agreed. I just reviewed 100 cards and I know what I’m looking for. I only felt comfortable sending 37 after all the reviewing. All this modern stuff has tons of scratches, dings and corner bumps. If you don’t know what you are looking for then you think you have clean cards but they are 8-9 range at best. Also psa can be all over the place so it’s a toss up when you grade either way. Bowman chrome is terrible for surface issues, paper cards always have soft corners. Prizm has tons of scratches on the back. Good luck grading
@@nsv_sportscards9158 Same. I started with a 250+ card submission, I'm under 100 cards at this point. I only send in cards that have a chance at a PSA 10 - everything PSA 9 and under nowadays sells for around raw money anyway, so I don't see the point (for profit purposes). I'm strictly looking for 10's to get that 3x (ish) bump in price. I'm typically between 70 and 80 % PSA 10 rate using the methods and suggestions that you and the OP mentioned. You have to put in the work on the front end, if you don't want to waste money and be stuck holding a bunch of $20 PSA 6's. Best of luck y'all!
@@OleLockAndKey Yes I agree with you and NSV, if you are looking to get 10s in order to try to turn a profit, you really have to be willing to put in the time and effort to thoroughly look them over. Even then don't expect everything you've carefully looked over to get a 10 (or even a 9) - everyone makes mistakes and misses stuff. And sometimes you just get a very harsh grader. But the more you learn and work at it, the better you will get at it 👍👍
Those cards were 🔥🔥🔥🔥. Hate to see the low scores (same happened to me on a recent sub as well). Also, don't apologize for your negative reactions, as we want to see the cards and your honest responses to each reveal. We all can relate! Looking forward to seeing the next reveal.
some great cards you have. man that was brutal when the cards you really like get 8s or less. I think when it comes to grades they should come with a breakdown sheet telling you what the issue is that they found so that you can know what they are seeing.
If you decide to crack open those 6,7,8 cards please do a video. Track the card and the score they gave you originally then see what you get when you get it back! I’d LOVE to see it. I think it’s dumb too that they give zero explanation on why cards are lower than a 10.
This is my biggest fear of submitting cards to PSA. They have no consistency. I'm so picky on my cards submitting with magnification and looking at only the best of the best to send in. And then this happens. SGC cards don't sell for as much. But i think they grade more consistently..
I've been tempted to send some stuff in for grading but have heard numerous stories that put me off PSA & make me lean towards SGC (barring real higher value stuff). Also I think I'd find it hard to take some of those downgrades with no explanation or reasoning - surely there has to be a level of transparency if you want Customer Satisfaction and repeat business. Some of those grades were pretty rough so feel your pain man, thanks for sharing and taking one for the team 👍🏻
We must have had the same grader Sky! I sent in 94 cards and got 21 10's. All pack fresh and they gave me a TON of 7's, 8's, and 9's... I think it's worth cracking and re subbing in smaller quantities. Spend $15 more and potentially increase the values by 100+ Thanks for the video bud!
I’ve noticed everyone who sent in submissions during the $15 special was graded by Simon Cowell himself. Why offer the special if you’re going to discriminate against people who take advantage of the special and grade their cards 100000x tougher 😒😂
@@skybcards lmaoooooo. Yeah bro, seriously. This is not a way of enticing people to sub a ton of cards. Their business is grading as many cards as possible, doesn't make sense that they hurt us like this.
Too many collectors OK with paying to get a card graded then cracking it out, then paying to grade them again. WOW, PSA is doing a bad job and people are punishing them by paying them twice or more.
@@skybcards that Lionel messi card has a huge indent at the bottom in the middle, .. looks like someones nail impression under the slab ... you can see it clearly in the video when you rotate the card, you should just chill on sending in cards to grade and get a professionals second eye over your cards, you just burned up some cash for real. those grades are fucking rough.. i wouldnt purchase a psa 8 or under for anything later than some real vintage baseball.. they really fucked you over on these grades
See this why I do not like to send in....and you would think they would give fair grades since you sent in so many....😬. Please make video resending to see how they change grades 😄 but honestly I would not resend numbered cards I think they are soooooo crooked and wise that they make note to give same grade when they recognize same card. 🙏 psamafia
PSA working hard for those resubmissions, that hurt! It seems that sending fewer cards always grades better for some reason. Great video, really enjoyed it.
Love watching your content. You're out there buying (for the most part) what everyday joe shmoes are buying (myself included). I've only bought a few hobby boxes but I've bought a bunch of retail and had a blast doing it! Nice hits and keep doing what you're doing bro 👌
Use a 10x loupe with an led light next time (that’s what the graders use) also look closer at the backs of the cards as that is where most ultramodern card flaws are outside of the obvious centering.
I feel this in my bones. It's so rough to anxiously await a box of submissions and think about alllllll those 10s. Then you get your box and open it up to reality. It's the worst.
That was pretty rough. You still came out ahead which is the name of the game. But better luck next time for sure. I think some of those cards are going to get better grades when you resubmit them. We're waiting on a 30 card submission and should have the video uploaded here as soon as that comes in
This physically hurt to watch. I have tons of bangers but I've never submitted to PSA before. This is my exact fear. I'm thinking smaller batches might be the way to go. Your grader was not having a good day.
Seeing all those 8s and 9s was brutal! Does PSA still charge using a sliding scale depending on what the person submitting a card believes it's worth, or is there a fixed rate on a bulk submission? Thanks for sharing your reveal. Quite a few awesome cards! You must have caught a grader who was having a VERY bad day or was falling behind some daily grading quota perhaps.
I personally have been sending some stuff to sgc because the grades are usually pretty good, it's a little cheaper, and you get the card back in a couple weeks instead of 3 months
Awesome vid! Also the OCD in me would have needed to make it an even 100 card submission and not 97 :D haha. Also, I feel like with the Panini products, so many of them have those tiny little craters on the card that sometimes aren't visible to the naked eye. Maybe part of some of those grades :(
Yeah I’ve been on a Pokémon card binge lately and if you look at them under a jeweler’s loupe (mine is a 16X I believe) there are def small indentations/craters throughout many of the cards. The quality control seems to an issue for many of the sword and shield cards. I’m not 100% how the sports cards are manufactured but I know the Pokémon cards are essentially layers of paper (paper, foils, holographic depending on what cards) that they lay over each other and press together. I feel like the little divot’s are created due to this process (they’re not getting pressed together smooth enough). As far them affecting the grading score I’m not sure if the graders look for them or not but if so then I can def see that affecting the final grade. I never really thought about whether they affect scores or not I always just assumed that all the cards have microscopic divots like that in them (maybe not I guess I’ll have to look harder 🤷♂️)
@@skybcards like you said... you probably got the Simon Cowell of graders brother. I want to see a part 2 of you cracking them and re submitting them!!!
No because I just sent in a deshaun watson rookie ticket red zone variation and the card was clean. Used a microscope and everything so figured a 9 at worst. Got a 7. Even submitted the $40 way
Take a look at the top and bottom edge on the cards. I was looking at a few of the chrome cards and could see white on the top edge. Over all nice hall but not on the key cards you wanted for sure.
Im telling ya bro I stopped using PSA when they decided to take advantage and rip everyone in the hobby off with there astronomical grading fees. I use SGC now bc I have my cards back in a week and the values are really close now and continue to narrow the gap. SGC does a great job of selecting a fair grade and if you look at the cards good usually what there graded is spot on. But with the fast grade times and quality of service I can deal with the small value difference. By the time you get a sub like this from PSA messing up grades the value doesnt come out ahead of SGC anyways. Only way ill use PSA again is on massive cards that have a huge price gap between them.
I felt your pain, don’t apologize for sounding disappointed. That’s your hard earned money nobody else’s. I’m curious if you use a magnifier with the led light? I’m getting better at looking through my own cards with the magnifier and looking at them in the dark using the LED light it comes with. Thanks for sharing
I used gotbaseballcards for my last submission and spent a little over $1k for 24 cards that passed their free screening. 7 of my cards did not pass their screening and saved me about $200 that would have been graded harsh that I didn’t even catch and when I got them back gotbaseballcards gave you where exactly the dings and imperfections were and sure enough some were obvious that I should have caught. In the end I wound up paying some up-charges because 4 of the 24 cards gemmed. That said I went 50/50, I got 12 10’s and 12 9’s using them. Maybe there is something to the whole bulk submission and getting a grader having a bad day and so than your grading chances of 10’s take a hit.
Sorry on the grades man,hopefully your next ones will do better I would also recommend you laying the cards down when your looking at them,that way each card you can be surprised by and you wont see the grade of the next one right away.then you can enjoy each one little more since your paying so much money to get graded u know
Yo yo yo lol , make a video of you cracking them, wiping them down, all that stuff , writing the grades down and send them back. show us the new grades would love to see
Tough grading! But that like almost 20% gem mint rate and what sucks is that these card you just pulled it straight to sleeves and top loader/ card saver.
Wow that’s a big submission! Dang! I hope I don’t get the same grader on my next submission! Look at your cards closely! Check for any dings that you didn’t notice before. I got back a 6 and 8 on two cards and it had dings in the back that I know it didn’t have before. I feel like maybe they could get damaged during grading 🤷🏽♂️ Maybe do a log on all your cards before sending in and take pictures. I did that for my last submission. For example, card #1 centering slightly off but within 60/40. No surface issues, etc. But I would recommend breaking the slabs and resubmitting. I’m in the process of doing so with two cards I know is better than what grade they got. Would be interested if you did a video of the cards you sold from this submission to see if you broke even or made profit. Thanks for sharing as always!
Hopefully your submission goes a lot better than mine man! And usually I make videos of all the cards I’m submitting, i didn’t with this order. Makes me wonder. I’m definitely going to crack most of the bad grades and try resubmitting though 🙏
Hey Sky B I have been getting back into collecting football cards. I need to get my collection back up and running. What set of cards do you think I should go for like Panini, absoulte, select, etc. I Have gotten all of those sets. I am trying to get more football cards and get my collection back up and running. What do you think I should get? Any football brand of cards.
Oh boy...😮💨...that was painful brother smh 🤦🏻♂️ Ayyyooo PSA, someone ova there needs to go give Simon a hug or smtn geez 😬 Props to you bro for taking those punches like a champ 😤 Wish you had a better submission bro but it is what it is, you'll get em next time! At the start of the vid I said to myself that you shld splash a lil 10W-40 on the box for some good luck lol but regardless bro, thanks for sharing the submission with us and taking us for the ride. Much love as always brother! 💪🏼💯
Yeah bro PSA really hit ya boy with about two thousand Mike Tyson uppercuts and a few Conor McGregor choke holds lol🤦♂️ and you’re probably right 😂, I’m gonna have to keep a cab on me at all times moving forward lmaoooo. But thanks for watching me take the L brotha hahah, much love 💯💪💪
That was brutal and hard to watch. Def caught the grader on a bad day. Hopefully youll have more luck in the future. I just got my psa submission back yesterday, was only about 13 cards but was overall happy with grade. 1 Card got a 8, with a bad corner but I swear it was fine when I sent it, so im a little bit suspicious as to what happened. I def would have not sent the card in with that kind of corner. But the rest of the cards I was pretty happy with. Downtowns getting a 9 instead of a 10 always sucks lol.
I hear that on being frustrated with PSA. I don’t know what some of the graders are doing with my cards because there are soft corners on cards i know did not have soft corners when i sent them in!
Dude, seriously do a video cracking open the ones you think should have got a better grade, then take them to Indy Card exchange to get re graded! I was told it does matter who submits them! They give PSA a ton of business every month
On the Messi Global 6, the centering top to bottom looks 90-10. That's something to factor in when there are cards with little to no borders. If you use the G in Global and the H in Reach, you can see how off-center it is. Then use the embossed dots, its even worse.
Sorry to got some low numbers there. But i can see some of those cards are of center of have surface blemishes such as scratches and dents. Maybe you need to get a grading tool to check for centering. And if there are scratches on the surface you can use a wax to remove them. If there are any scratches on the surface, you'll get a 9 for sure. Paper cards are hard to get a 10 on though. You gotta have razor sharp corners with no white at all. I count the dots or design whether it be a checkerboard or Disco circles, you gotta check side to side and make sure they're the same. If there are 3.5 dots from the edge of the card on one side, go to the other side and make sure there are 3.5 dots from that edge as well. My first submission ever of 13 cards got nothing less than a 9. Sweet cards!!!
Whoever did this sub was having a bad day... I started keeping all my return paperwork and paying attention to the initials of the graders on the orders. Because it makes no sense to have dozens of subs that get 70%+ gem rate and then get a random sub back like this that is just a massacre.
Great vid bro! We just got a Jonathan Taylor 2 of 5 and an Eli Manning 2 of 10 that I was thinking about sending to get graded. It would kill me if we get a 6 or 7 on those grades. It would almost be better selling them ungraded at that point.
This is why SGC is becoming more and more popular by the day. If PSA doesn't start showing more consistency with their grading they're going to lose a lot of customers.
I feel for you 100%. I stopped using PSA to grade my cards years ago. I use SGC they just seem more fair. When PSA tried to become my partner with there crazy pricing thats when I knew it was time to stop using them!
Dang man I’m sorry that happened! Im gonna try submitting a couple of cards 🤞hopefully they do well but I’m gonna make sure they are as perfect as possible!
I’ve seen a few of these psa submissions recently. And everyone is getting screwed liked this. I think they hired some new guy that is just killin peoples profits. I mean a lot of those cards looked really good to me. But this has been pretty common as of late.
@@skybcards i completely agree they are gonna lose business from a lot of people I have several cards I want to send in but not to get them back like that.
This ladies and gents is why you THOROUGHLY inspect your cards in all different lighting, in all different angles and also with a magnifying glass with a led light attached. Everything isnt only about centering or blatant defects. Do your own due diligence. Its has nothing to do with how much you spend. I spend the same amount he has numerous times and have a 70-80% psa 10 comeback because I take my time inspecting.
That's rough! I'd be shopping elsewhere after that. CSG's new slabs look real nice... but they have not gained enough popularity to keep up with the value of PSA yet.
That was one of the toughest submissions I have seen. The coin flip on who you have as a grader is just to much of a gamble. PSA seems to go on roller-coaster rides, some months great grades, other months super tough. Sorry for the rough grades.
On some of your cards, it is centering. Like the Bobby Wirr Jr foil... look how off-center top-to-bottom it is. It was never a 10, but there may be an additional thing to drop it from a 9 to a 8.
You are totally alright complaining on this submission. Watching this is making me nervous sending in my first submission lmao. Great video regardless. Great variety!
Same thing happened to me 4 months ago I sent in a large order I split it into two separate orders, almost all 10's some 9's on the first order, the second order came back almost all 8's no consistency with PSA. SGC is the most consistent and fair with grading. But everyone wants a psa slab and turns a blind eye to their inconsistent grading. PSA knows people will crack open cards and resubmit and not even think twice it's a total Cash cow for PSA. They also like to reserve majority of their 10's for their good customers.
I bet if you took those low grades cards and used Kurt’s card care kit and re subbed , you would see difference. I bet there were some prints on the back and maybe some imperfections on the back you didn’t see idk
@@skybcards I personally have not because I’ve yet to do any submissions. I get anxiety thinking about sending off my cards lol. I pulled a Joey B Kaboom out of a blaster Friday so I’ve been getting cards together really needing to get em graded and I’ve heard and watched videos of Kurt cleaning and working on cards and it’s pretty amazing what you can do without altering anything just working on the card cleaning it up detailing it like a sports car. I just uploaded a little short of my Joey B kaboom it’s not much but it’s there 👀
I think that any card graded below 9 should require an explanation from PSA. They should have to tell you exactly what caused the low grade. I honestly believe they do it just so you’ll break them open and try again. That way they make even more money.
Especially in 6,7,8’s and lower
That's why I don't like PSA. They don't tell you why the card got a low grade, if it was the Centering,??, or the Corners??, or the Surface??... Would like to know exactly why the cards got a low grade.... Even why the 9 are not 10's and what made it a 9. It would be a whole lot better to everyone in the Card Community if PSA told you why the Card got a a low grade.
That’s why I kinda like BGS. U know what’s wrong, kind of, and sturdier case
I wonder if sub grades would help?
Also so the rich stay rich, and they can value their cards that are the exact same as yours higher than yours.
A few things that will really, really help you with choosing what cards to submit:
-Use a jeweler's loupe (5x magnification or better) to look over the front and back surface. I can guarantee most of the cards where you can't figure out how they got a 7, 8 or 9 are because of some minor ding or scratch not noticeable by the naked eye
-Look at the front and back of the card under a white light - any dings, scratches, creases or faint print lines not caught with the jeweler's loupe will be noticeable this way
-Try to measure centering by at least 1/16th of an inch increments, BOTH the top/bottom and left/right sides - you need at the worst 60/40 centering on the front, but if there are any minor dings on the card or questionable corners, PSA will likely require 55/45 centering to give the card a 10
-Check the corners, front AND BACK. If you notice any slight crease or bend, you're not getting a 10 - very likely an 8 at best
In addition, there are ways to clean up your cards before submitting that may help with scratches / dings / corner issues that don't involve any type of alteration that would disqualify the card from grading. Searching youtube for tips on this would be beneficial
**Editing for one last helpful piece of advice: unless you pull a rare / expensive card that you are trying to get graded and on the market ASAP for that sweet, sweet seller's premium, always try to compare your card against others of the same type that have received 10s. You can try to find pictures of other 10s on eBay or PSA itself. You may notice the printing / stamping is slightly off on your card compared to a 10. The best example of this is 2020 prizm cards - at the bottom of the card there is an impression surrounding the nameplate. A lot of these impressions are off center on 2020 prizm cards and will grade lower because of it. Sometimes the grader will miss this, but more often than not they will catch it. The same impression is around the "RC" chevron at the top of the card - if this is off too, it likely won't grade a 10.**
which jeweler's loupe recommend for cards? Handheld?
@@ov_.17 Doesn't really matter, just your personal preference and what you think you'd be most comfortable using. I use a handheld with a light, but some people like using the overhead one or one that clamps onto your table. The magnification and good lighting is really what matters - I've heard PSA uses a 10x loupe, but that's overkill in my opinion. A 5x loupe will reveal everything you need to see, or at least it has in my experience.
Agreed. I just reviewed 100 cards and I know what I’m looking for. I only felt comfortable sending 37 after all the reviewing. All this modern stuff has tons of scratches, dings and corner bumps. If you don’t know what you are looking for then you think you have clean cards but they are 8-9 range at best. Also psa can be all over the place so it’s a toss up when you grade either way. Bowman chrome is terrible for surface issues, paper cards always have soft corners. Prizm has tons of scratches on the back. Good luck grading
@@nsv_sportscards9158 Same. I started with a 250+ card submission, I'm under 100 cards at this point.
I only send in cards that have a chance at a PSA 10 - everything PSA 9 and under nowadays sells for around raw money anyway, so I don't see the point (for profit purposes).
I'm strictly looking for 10's to get that 3x (ish) bump in price.
I'm typically between 70 and 80 % PSA 10 rate using the methods and suggestions that you and the OP mentioned.
You have to put in the work on the front end, if you don't want to waste money and be stuck holding a bunch of $20 PSA 6's.
Best of luck y'all!
@@OleLockAndKey Yes I agree with you and NSV, if you are looking to get 10s in order to try to turn a profit, you really have to be willing to put in the time and effort to thoroughly look them over. Even then don't expect everything you've carefully looked over to get a 10 (or even a 9) - everyone makes mistakes and misses stuff. And sometimes you just get a very harsh grader. But the more you learn and work at it, the better you will get at it 👍👍
You should do a vid showing us your collection
I will soon brotha, thanks for the tip!!
Yea
Agreed that would b fun
That would be fire
Yeah is cards are fire
Those cards were 🔥🔥🔥🔥. Hate to see the low scores (same happened to me on a recent sub as well). Also, don't apologize for your negative reactions, as we want to see the cards and your honest responses to each reveal. We all can relate! Looking forward to seeing the next reveal.
some great cards you have. man that was brutal when the cards you really like get 8s or less. I think when it comes to grades they should come with a breakdown sheet telling you what the issue is that they found so that you can know what they are seeing.
If you decide to crack open those 6,7,8 cards please do a video. Track the card and the score they gave you originally then see what you get when you get it back! I’d LOVE to see it. I think it’s dumb too that they give zero explanation on why cards are lower than a 10.
This is my biggest fear of submitting cards to PSA. They have no consistency. I'm so picky on my cards submitting with magnification and looking at only the best of the best to send in. And then this happens. SGC cards don't sell for as much. But i think they grade more consistently..
Completely agree. Too inconsistent even on their own site. Some cards graded 7 and 9 looks identical.
I've been tempted to send some stuff in for grading but have heard numerous stories that put me off PSA & make me lean towards SGC (barring real higher value stuff). Also I think I'd find it hard to take some of those downgrades with no explanation or reasoning - surely there has to be a level of transparency if you want Customer Satisfaction and repeat business. Some of those grades were pretty rough so feel your pain man, thanks for sharing and taking one for the team 👍🏻
If you're looking for a return on your cards, go with PSA.
We must have had the same grader Sky! I sent in 94 cards and got 21 10's. All pack fresh and they gave me a TON of 7's, 8's, and 9's... I think it's worth cracking and re subbing in smaller quantities. Spend $15 more and potentially increase the values by 100+
Thanks for the video bud!
I’ve noticed everyone who sent in submissions during the $15 special was graded by Simon Cowell himself. Why offer the special if you’re going to discriminate against people who take advantage of the special and grade their cards 100000x tougher 😒😂
@@skybcards lmaoooooo. Yeah bro, seriously. This is not a way of enticing people to sub a ton of cards. Their business is grading as many cards as possible, doesn't make sense that they hurt us like this.
Too many collectors OK with paying to get a card graded then cracking it out, then paying to grade them again. WOW, PSA is doing a bad job and people are punishing them by paying them twice or more.
@@skybcards that Lionel messi card has a huge indent at the bottom in the middle, .. looks like someones nail impression under the slab ... you can see it clearly in the video when you rotate the card, you should just chill on sending in cards to grade and get a professionals second eye over your cards, you just burned up some cash for real. those grades are fucking rough.. i wouldnt purchase a psa 8 or under for anything later than some real vintage baseball.. they really fucked you over on these grades
See this why I do not like to send in....and you would think they would give fair grades since you sent in so many....😬. Please make video resending to see how they change grades 😄 but honestly I would not resend numbered cards I think they are soooooo crooked and wise that they make note to give same grade when they recognize same card. 🙏 psamafia
PSA working hard for those resubmissions, that hurt! It seems that sending fewer cards always grades better for some reason. Great video, really enjoyed it.
Love watching your content. You're out there buying (for the most part) what everyday joe shmoes are buying (myself included). I've only bought a few hobby boxes but I've bought a bunch of retail and had a blast doing it! Nice hits and keep doing what you're doing bro 👌
Use a 10x loupe with an led light next time (that’s what the graders use) also look closer at the backs of the cards as that is where most ultramodern card flaws are outside of the obvious centering.
Bro don’t apologize it’s your money you spent on submitting. I appreciate you sharing your results with us man!
I feel this in my bones. It's so rough to anxiously await a box of submissions and think about alllllll those 10s. Then you get your box and open it up to reality. It's the worst.
That was pretty rough. You still came out ahead which is the name of the game. But better luck next time for sure. I think some of those cards are going to get better grades when you resubmit them. We're waiting on a 30 card submission and should have the video uploaded here as soon as that comes in
This physically hurt to watch. I have tons of bangers but I've never submitted to PSA before. This is my exact fear. I'm thinking smaller batches might be the way to go. Your grader was not having a good day.
It was painful man. I’ve had much better luck in the past, but this was terrible.
Seeing all those 8s and 9s was brutal! Does PSA still charge using a sliding scale depending on what the person submitting a card believes it's worth, or is there a fixed rate on a bulk submission? Thanks for sharing your reveal. Quite a few awesome cards! You must have caught a grader who was having a VERY bad day or was falling behind some daily grading quota perhaps.
I know PSA is holds it value for resale, particularly on modern cards, but it is my opinion that SGC is more consistent with there grades.
You’re probably right on the SGC thing. See a lot of people say good things about them
I personally have been sending some stuff to sgc because the grades are usually pretty good, it's a little cheaper, and you get the card back in a couple weeks instead of 3 months
Awesome vid! Also the OCD in me would have needed to make it an even 100 card submission and not 97 :D haha. Also, I feel like with the Panini products, so many of them have those tiny little craters on the card that sometimes aren't visible to the naked eye. Maybe part of some of those grades :(
Hahah maybe that’s why the grader was so tough!! But yeah you very well could be right man
Yeah I’ve been on a Pokémon card binge lately and if you look at them under a jeweler’s loupe (mine is a 16X I believe) there are def small indentations/craters throughout many of the cards. The quality control seems to an issue for many of the sword and shield cards. I’m not 100% how the sports cards are manufactured but I know the Pokémon cards are essentially layers of paper (paper, foils, holographic depending on what cards) that they lay over each other and press together. I feel like the little divot’s are created due to this process (they’re not getting pressed together smooth enough). As far them affecting the grading score I’m not sure if the graders look for them or not but if so then I can def see that affecting the final grade. I never really thought about whether they affect scores or not I always just assumed that all the cards have microscopic divots like that in them (maybe not I guess I’ll have to look harder 🤷♂️)
“The Simon Cowell or graders.” I never say this, but you had me on my knees with that one, dude. Haha-hope the next one fares better! You deserve it.
I think when you send them at $15 a card the graders are harsher. They want people sending them at $40 +
My last submission was $15 and they were pretty good
@@skybcards like you said... you probably got the Simon Cowell of graders brother. I want to see a part 2 of you cracking them and re submitting them!!!
No because I just sent in a deshaun watson rookie ticket red zone variation and the card was clean. Used a microscope and everything so figured a 9 at worst. Got a 7. Even submitted the $40 way
Take a look at the top and bottom edge on the cards. I was looking at a few of the chrome cards and could see white on the top edge. Over all nice hall but not on the key cards you wanted for sure.
If you use beckett grading, they give you a grade on 4 different categories.
Im telling ya bro I stopped using PSA when they decided to take advantage and rip everyone in the hobby off with there astronomical grading fees. I use SGC now bc I have my cards back in a week and the values are really close now and continue to narrow the gap. SGC does a great job of selecting a fair grade and if you look at the cards good usually what there graded is spot on. But with the fast grade times and quality of service I can deal with the small value difference. By the time you get a sub like this from PSA messing up grades the value doesnt come out ahead of SGC anyways. Only way ill use PSA again is on massive cards that have a huge price gap between them.
I might be hopping off the PSA train myself. Not sure yet. This was a eye opener though
@@skybcards My vote is Beckett. I love their slabs with subgrades
PSA 10s still go for waaay more than SGC 10s. And PSA 9s > SGC 9.5
I felt your pain, don’t apologize for sounding disappointed. That’s your hard earned money nobody else’s. I’m curious if you use a magnifier with the led light? I’m getting better at looking through my own cards with the magnifier and looking at them in the dark using the LED light it comes with. Thanks for sharing
Yeah man I checkout every card with the mag / light. None of these should’ve got 6 or 7’s smh
I used gotbaseballcards for my last submission and spent a little over $1k for 24 cards that passed their free screening. 7 of my cards did not pass their screening and saved me about $200 that would have been graded harsh that I didn’t even catch and when I got them back gotbaseballcards gave you where exactly the dings and imperfections were and sure enough some were obvious that I should have caught. In the end I wound up paying some up-charges because 4 of the 24 cards gemmed. That said I went 50/50, I got 12 10’s and 12 9’s using them. Maybe there is something to the whole bulk submission and getting a grader having a bad day and so than your grading chances of 10’s take a hit.
Sorry on the grades man,hopefully your next ones will do better I would also recommend you laying the cards down when your looking at them,that way each card you can be surprised by and you wont see the grade of the next one right away.then you can enjoy each one little more since your paying so much money to get graded u know
Yo yo yo lol , make a video of you cracking them, wiping them down, all that stuff , writing the grades down and send them back. show us the new grades would love to see
You read my mind man
Tough grading! But that like almost 20% gem mint rate and what sucks is that these card you just pulled it straight to sleeves and top loader/ card saver.
Ooof that's rough. That's what I always fear sending stuff in to PSA.
There’s no way you said “Jalen Green name color match” 😂😂😂 had me dying man. Tough tough return. A lot of those grades are questionable
Wow that’s a big submission! Dang! I hope I don’t get the same grader on my next submission! Look at your cards closely! Check for any dings that you didn’t notice before. I got back a 6 and 8 on two cards and it had dings in the back that I know it didn’t have before. I feel like maybe they could get damaged during grading 🤷🏽♂️
Maybe do a log on all your cards before sending in and take pictures. I did that for my last submission. For example, card #1 centering slightly off but within 60/40. No surface issues, etc.
But I would recommend breaking the slabs and resubmitting. I’m in the process of doing so with two cards I know is better than what grade they got. Would be interested if you did a video of the cards you sold from this submission to see if you broke even or made profit. Thanks for sharing as always!
Hopefully your submission goes a lot better than mine man! And usually I make videos of all the cards I’m submitting, i didn’t with this order. Makes me wonder. I’m definitely going to crack most of the bad grades and try resubmitting though 🙏
19:33 Are you looking to sell the Oswaldo?
This is why I don’t use PSA right now, everything going to SGC who knows how to accurately grade cards.
This is my favorite TH-camr I check for new vids every 1 hour you should try shorts
Crack those PSA 8s and send them to BGS, seems like your 8s should be graded higher, PSA must be on some sort of pop control system on grading cards.
That’s definitely the plan man. BGS will be getting my business soon
If you are curious, On the PSA 6 2022 Prizm Lionel Messi, there is a massive dent under the FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 FYI
Good eye! I see now
@@skybcards Thanks for the videos!
Makes me wonder if smaller submissions are the way to go.. I would be upset with the damn 6's to say the least
Oh yeah, I’m not happy at all. Spent way too much on this sub
Hey Sky B I have been getting back into collecting football cards. I need to get my collection back up and running. What set of cards do you think I should go for like Panini, absoulte, select, etc. I Have gotten all of those sets. I am trying to get more football cards and get my collection back up and running. What do you think I should get? Any football brand of cards.
That was rough! Still a banger video as always! But how do u know which cards to send away? I'd love to see a psa tutorial or tips video!
What grading package did you use. I noticed you mixed autos in there? I thought you had to sumbit them seperate
I’ve started to lean more to SGC after covid hit. PSA is more expensive only to screw you over
I’m going with BGS now on I’m thinking
Oh boy...😮💨...that was painful brother smh 🤦🏻♂️
Ayyyooo PSA, someone ova there needs to go give Simon a hug or smtn geez 😬 Props to you bro for taking those punches like a champ 😤 Wish you had a better submission bro but it is what it is, you'll get em next time! At the start of the vid I said to myself that you shld splash a lil 10W-40 on the box for some good luck lol but regardless bro, thanks for sharing the submission with us and taking us for the ride. Much love as always brother! 💪🏼💯
Yeah bro PSA really hit ya boy with about two thousand Mike Tyson uppercuts and a few Conor McGregor choke holds lol🤦♂️ and you’re probably right 😂, I’m gonna have to keep a cab on me at all times moving forward lmaoooo. But thanks for watching me take the L brotha hahah, much love 💯💪💪
That was brutal and hard to watch. Def caught the grader on a bad day.
Hopefully youll have more luck in the future.
I just got my psa submission back yesterday, was only about 13 cards but was overall happy with grade.
1 Card got a 8, with a bad corner but I swear it was fine when I sent it, so im a little bit suspicious as to what happened.
I def would have not sent the card in with that kind of corner. But the rest of the cards I was pretty happy with.
Downtowns getting a 9 instead of a 10 always sucks lol.
You should do a video showing us your most expensive cards
I will soon for sure 🔥🔥💪
@@skybcardsw
I hear that on being frustrated with PSA. I don’t know what some of the graders are doing with my cards because there are soft corners on cards i know did not have soft corners when i sent them in!
Did you clean the cards? And put pull tabs on them?
Dude, seriously do a video cracking open the ones you think should have got a better grade, then take them to Indy Card exchange to get re graded! I was told it does matter who submits them! They give PSA a ton of business every month
I’ll be cracking the low grades 1000000%. Video will come soon for sure
Keep up the great work! Just getting into the space and absolutely love it!
Hey! Love your videos. How much would you want for the Ohtani PSA 8…if you’re selling it?
Thanks for sharing 😎
Always my pleasure!
I got a psa 8 on a Pokémon card recently, resubmitted and it got a 10. You never know what these graders
I just got the one of the good graders. 17/20 10s 85% gem rate. You got the Simon grader for sure. Ouch.
That’s what’s up!!! I love to hear it man. Congrats 🙏🙏
On the Messi Global 6, the centering top to bottom looks 90-10. That's something to factor in when there are cards with little to no borders. If you use the G in Global and the H in Reach, you can see how off-center it is. Then use the embossed dots, its even worse.
Sorry to got some low numbers there. But i can see some of those cards are of center of have surface blemishes such as scratches and dents. Maybe you need to get a grading tool to check for centering. And if there are scratches on the surface you can use a wax to remove them. If there are any scratches on the surface, you'll get a 9 for sure. Paper cards are hard to get a 10 on though. You gotta have razor sharp corners with no white at all. I count the dots or design whether it be a checkerboard or Disco circles, you gotta check side to side and make sure they're the same. If there are 3.5 dots from the edge of the card on one side, go to the other side and make sure there are 3.5 dots from that edge as well. My first submission ever of 13 cards got nothing less than a 9. Sweet cards!!!
Did Do you ever resubmit those PSA labs? Vid??
Do they not tell you anything on why they grade how they do? No description on the issues?
Nope haha
A bit rough fosho brother! Keep yo head up tho, that sick Shohei rookie 10’d n some other good ones! Definitely appreciate the content
Whoever did this sub was having a bad day... I started keeping all my return paperwork and paying attention to the initials of the graders on the orders. Because it makes no sense to have dozens of subs that get 70%+ gem rate and then get a random sub back like this that is just a massacre.
I got a 7 on my aqua prism out of Merlin too. Those Merlin cards should never be lower than a 9.
Makes absolutely no sense. Pop control at its finest
Great vid bro! We just got a Jonathan Taylor 2 of 5 and an Eli Manning 2 of 10 that I was thinking about sending to get graded. It would kill me if we get a 6 or 7 on those grades. It would almost be better selling them ungraded at that point.
Anything other than 9/10 is better off keeping raw imo. Unless it’s a super thick card or old, then I’ll settle with an 8
Dude…I sent a 48 card sub back in December and it’s still sitting at PSA…da fuq
Hopefully you have better luck than me
The "I'm a big fan of Josh Giddy, he has a bright future ahead of him" comment didn't age well 😅
Lmfaoo omg
This is why SGC is becoming more and more popular by the day. If PSA doesn't start showing more consistency with their grading they're going to lose a lot of customers.
I’ve been noticing a lot of people joining the SGC train lately
@SKY-B Cards $9 submissions...no min/max. No declared value limits. 5-10 day turnaround. What's not to love...
I feel for you 100%. I stopped using PSA to grade my cards years ago. I use SGC they just seem more fair. When PSA tried to become my partner with there crazy pricing thats when I knew it was time to stop using them!
Wow I can't wait to grade my cards.. question any help on what to send in to be graded? Rookie cards vs ## cards
Great vid. Loved the I’m just reacting line lol
That why I always like it send my stuff I’m smaller batches, just in case I get a grumpy grader. Sick submission though
Probably a smart idea man
Dang man I’m sorry that happened! Im gonna try submitting a couple of cards 🤞hopefully they do well but I’m gonna make sure they are as perfect as possible!
Hopefully, you have better luck than me🤞
you should make a video on cracking open and regrading the 6 and 7 and see if they get a higher grade.
Will be coming soon!
You definitely gotta resubmit those 6s because that’d be embarrassing on PSAs part of those come back higher than an 8
I’m gonna for sure 💯
Keep your head up man. Try smaller subs next time. Also, Meijer purple J-Rod available?
Yessir meijer exclusive
Gotta love the blisters
Did you clean them before submitting?
Do you use a consigner to sell your psa returns. If so which one do you use
did you get 8's from print lines?
I’ve seen a few of these psa submissions recently. And everyone is getting screwed liked this. I think they hired some new guy that is just killin peoples profits. I mean a lot of those cards looked really good to me. But this has been pretty common as of late.
I’ve noticed that lately as well. It’s like they want us to grade with other companies
@@skybcards i completely agree they are gonna lose business from a lot of people I have several cards I want to send in but not to get them back like that.
The person who graded your cards must’ve done their research, realized it was YOU & str8 up HATED… because some of those PSA 8 cards look GREAT…
I was thinking the same thing 🤦♂️😂
@@skybcardsthat Messi did not deserve a 6, that graders having a bad day
plot twist, the guy grading your cards used to be a valet driver and you didnt tip him
This ladies and gents is why you THOROUGHLY inspect your cards in all different lighting, in all different angles and also with a magnifying glass with a led light attached. Everything isnt only about centering or blatant defects. Do your own due diligence. Its has nothing to do with how much you spend. I spend the same amount he has numerous times and have a 70-80% psa 10 comeback because I take my time inspecting.
I sent cards off in October and I'm still waiting 😐. I just grade with SGC now they take a week
That's rough! I'd be shopping elsewhere after that. CSG's new slabs look real nice... but they have not gained enough popularity to keep up with the value of PSA yet.
BGS next 🙏
@SKY-B Cards looking forward to seeing that submission. Going to Crack some of those 6, 7 and 8's?
That was one of the toughest submissions I have seen. The coin flip on who you have as a grader is just to much of a gamble. PSA seems to go on roller-coaster rides, some months great grades, other months super tough. Sorry for the rough grades.
Hey bro. Love your channel. Where do you pull all these cards from? Retail or hobby??
99% retail
On some of your cards, it is centering. Like the Bobby Wirr Jr foil... look how off-center top-to-bottom it is. It was never a 10, but there may be an additional thing to drop it from a 9 to a 8.
How long did it take the wait ?? I’m almost on two months
Great vid! Do you sell cards to get the money to do this, and if you do where do you sell them?
Yes of course, and my website
Did these submit these all in toploaders or something?
You are totally alright complaining on this submission. Watching this is making me nervous sending in my first submission lmao. Great video regardless. Great variety!
The grading is confusing….I have like 7 graded comics and around 12 graded cards..how do they grade?
Same thing happened to me 4 months ago I sent in a large order I split it into two separate orders, almost all 10's some 9's on the first order, the second order came back almost all 8's no consistency with PSA. SGC is the most consistent and fair with grading. But everyone wants a psa slab and turns a blind eye to their inconsistent grading. PSA knows people will crack open cards and resubmit and not even think twice it's a total Cash cow for PSA. They also like to reserve majority of their 10's for their good customers.
PSA hammered you on the basketball and soccer grades 😵💫Thank you for the videos.
For real man 💔💔
Hey man noticed you’ve went to a card show in Indiana ? If you’re from around here I’m interested in the Derrick Henry psa 8 downtown !
Overall probably a little disappointing,but the Herbert, Burrow and Hurts would be great for anyone’s collection!
I bet if you took those low grades cards and used Kurt’s card care kit and re subbed , you would see difference. I bet there were some prints on the back and maybe some imperfections on the back you didn’t see idk
I’ve never used K-C-C but have heard good things. Have you tried and had good results?
@@skybcards I personally have not because I’ve yet to do any submissions. I get anxiety thinking about sending off my cards lol. I pulled a Joey B Kaboom out of a blaster Friday so I’ve been getting cards together really needing to get em graded and I’ve heard and watched videos of Kurt cleaning and working on cards and it’s pretty amazing what you can do without altering anything just working on the card cleaning it up detailing it like a sports car. I just uploaded a little short of my Joey B kaboom it’s not much but it’s there 👀
any comps on the blaze jordan auto? i have the same one and i wanna grade it!
gotta be surface issues on most of those low grades.
The Messi PSA 6 has a fat dent, haven’t really gone through the rest of them but you’re probably right man
I'm stating to wonder about some of the PSA graders. You still got some bangers though.
Seems like lately the graders were told to be extra harsh
Will you keep the 6s and 7s or crack them and try to re sub or keep raw?
Definitely cracking
I’m very curious when you send in cards to get graded do you think they have the possibility to be 10s? i’m new to the hobby and just am learning
I wouldn’t send in a card if I didn’t think it could 10
Roughly 25% were 10's, 45% were 9's, and 30% were 6//7/8's...ouch. Thanks for sharing.
Huge ouch. But my pleasure!