Triton P2413 Fault Code MiracleMAX
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- This Trion is a regular in the workshop. The customer takes good care of the maintenance of it and is happy for any servicing suggestions I make. Recently the intake system had an ultrasonic cleaning, which involved a massive job of removal of the intake system including the EGR valve while valve clearances were being carried out as part of a service. Now it’s back with a P2413 fault code.
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Hi Max, great work, I love how you kept going on the diagnosis to understand the problem.
Guess I’ll be buying a new part for my Triton or doing some testing to get rid of that expensive light!
For sure, it's no use being a parts changer if they are not needed. That's why I test so much - to make as sure a I can be with the data provided to replace the correct part only. Also you need to try and figure why the part failed in the beginning.
Thanks Max. I had an MN triton, we cleaned the EGR and intake. still had the P0403 and 2413 codes code up. EGR wasn't that bad before, valve works very free after clean, the spring would just closed. but after watching your video, we found that we had 0% EGR duty command and 99.2% error. So I hooked the 12v up to the motor to see if it went in and out by itself, off the EGR valve. Went in and out. then we mounted back to the valve , we could hear it operating the valve ( plug disconnected) . Then we plugged it back in, started the ute, the Cheap EML327 scan adaptor with Car Scanner app showed the duty cycle working 67%, no error. thanks, I understand a little more.
Great to hear that those testing procedures were helpful. Well done! 👍
Thanks for your subscription
EXCELLENT - thorough - well filmed, simple, great resource for the backyard mechanic - you've just picked up a subscriber 😆
Thanks! I hope you get some benefit from the other videos on the channel as well 😊
well done max brilliant info been shared you deserve more subscribers
Hey Ian,
In this case it was just an excuse to play with some new toys....sorry tools 😁
Feel free to tell your friends to subscribe!
Thanks mate for your video, very helpful
You are welcome. I have a heap of Triton videos that you might find useful. 😉
As comprehensive as it gets, absolutely quality video mate packed full of fantastic info. I was delighted you pulled it apart at the end, gave me a warm fuzzy feeling :)
You need to create links for your tools and parts to pop in the description. Give me some feedback on that new scope too, looks nice.
Thanks for your feedback Gerard. Just like you, I've always liked to pull things apart to see how they work and what failed.
Good idea on putting parts in description.
I haven't used the scope enough to properly review it, but will give an opinion in future videos. It's pretty good for the price & once you sort out the navigation, quite useful.
Once again, thanks for the feedback. 😊
I love to do electrical repairs too great video on when you pull it up the info is a great headlightin too love see more of your videos you are a great teacher
I just watch ur video on fix the vehicle
@@rogerwhite2653 Hey Roger, welcome to the channel.
I find electrical repairs and testing both frustrating and satisfying. When you are trying to diagnose something difficult and it doesn't make sense, you can end up ripping out your hair. But, if you slow down and think about what is actually working, move forward to find the fault, that can be the most satisfying part of the repair.
Thanks for your comments. 😁
Superb video. ¡gracias!
You are welcome Carlos.
Hi mate great work .
Thank you! Cheers! 😉
Very good explanation, thx
Thank you 👍
i enjoyed watching your video. i have the same P2413 error on my obd2 code reader on my SUV Mitsubishi Montero 4D56 diesel. there is black smoke on the exhaust during quick accelaration and noticed higher fuel consumption. check engine indicator goes on and off for several days apart. I try to pull out the EGR motor and connect it to a 12V PWM DC motor controller to check its action. I dont have a pulse generator to simulate ECU control voltage. I learned a lot from you video. I plan to buy an economical full systems scanner, what brand and model do your recommend for Mitsubishi / asian/japanese cars. i dont have auto shop. im looking at Ancel FX4000 or X6
Do I need to have bi-directional active test option on the scanner to have a complete diagnosis and confirm the failing component of my car? or a full systems scanner is just enough for a hobbyist like me. thanks. Pls keep doing more videos to help everyone.God Bless you and your family.
Hey Francis, I'm glad you are getting something from the videos!
Obviously with scan tools, you get what you pay for.
A few things to keep in mind. You must make sure the software that they load into the tool will cover the vehicles you require. Some companies get you to pay for updates each year.
I would ask if the tool is bi-directional as that is a crucial feature that helps diagnose faults quickly.
I don't know the brand Ancel, so I really can't comment. Also, I don't know what your specific needs are for a scan tool, so it is a little hard to give advice.
Read reviews on the tool before you buy.
I hope that helps a little
Cheers
MiracleMAX
Changed the EGR but still getting the code! Perhaps need to clean the cooler and the pipes..?
Has the intake system been cleaned of carbon?
In live data, can you see the MAF change readings when the EGR is activated?
Fantastic-
Thank you! Cheers!
good master
Thank you Cesar Jorge Murillo Barientos for your kind words.
Excellent video. I blocked my egr 😅
Thanks for your comment Eddy
Hi Max as I was searching I found this "Malfunction of second brake system" (for diagnosis codes 1780 and 1783) what is the second brake system? Another interesting in my case is the "Malfunction of underdrive clutch system (for diagnosis codes P1779, P1780, P1781, P1782)
Here are some links that might help
P1779
mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/pajero_sport_iii/online/Service_Manual/2018/23/html/M123115860001100ENG.HTM
P1780, P1781, P1782
mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/l200_2006/online/Service_Manual/2015/23/html/M123112610014701ENG.HTM
What full codes are the 1780 & 1783 P, B, C or U?
Hello Max, i have a montero that show p2413 error. I did some diagnosis and position sensor is ok, but something weird is happening with the egr motor. The problem is im not sure if is a problem of the egr or its the ECU that cant generate the proper function to move it.
I tried to move the egr to 50 or 100% sending the command using diagnosis and its not moving. The egr never moves except if i force it with my hand to open. In that case the egr is returning to close when you turn ignition off. Is the only situation where the egr moves.
I tried to operate the valve providing constant voltage with a power supply and it moves... so i dont know... thanks anyway
You may find that the EGR valve can not be operated with the fault code. The code must be cleared first
Hey mate I had the same code coming up so changed the EGR valve and all gaskets to do with EGR. Fault code keeps coming up even after clearing it , it will come back up within 30minutes of driving. Exhaust had a bit of black smoke coming out also , any thoughts?
Did you carry out all the tests shown in the video? Is there a large amount of carbon built up in the intake system? When the EGR valve is activated, can you see the MAF reading change in live data? Does it have any exhaust leaks? Is the air filter clean?
Thanks for the video. Have you had a new faulty OEM EGR? Just replaced my EGR and now have A CEL P2413. Previous shudder, rich running condition with old EGR but no CEL. 4N14.
Hey Ramen,
Why was the EGR replaced? Is there a build up of carbon in the intake system? Have you done an EGR reset with the scan tool? What are the symptoms now in comparison to the old EGR? Has the fault code been cleared and comes back straight away? According to the scan tool, when was a regeneration done last? Is the oil level overfull? Does the oil smell like fuel? Has a small injection quantity relearn been done?
@@MiracleMAX thanks for the response! I was having shudder and hesitation between 1800-2200 rpms with rich running condition blowing lots of black smoke, this symptom was resolved with an EGR delete cable. I had already removed and cleaned intake manifold and egr but symptom persisted so I replaced the unit. This has completely resolved all issues except intermittent CEL and rough shut down. I only had a basic obd tool and have been able to view and reset. I was unaware the EGR position was able to be reset! I had followed work shop manuals. Oil levels are normal. I'll have my mechanic have a look with a proper scan tool to check DPF function and EGR reset!
@@ramenzwagermam4193 Let us know how you go 😉
@@MiracleMAX I went to a local suggested mechanic with a decent scan tool and he only just erased error codes stating this should Zero Values. Same as I had already done. Is there a more complex process under PCM controls to reset EGR Values? I have seen this process with other vehicles. Hope you are having a great weekend!
@@ramenzwagermam4193 Yes, you need to go into 'special functions' to do any resets. Clearing codes will not change any of the settings.
Hello Max, good information there..
do you use 5V or 12V to moving Motor ?
As you can see in the video, I have used a 12 volt UPS battery.
th-cam.com/video/pR4J58qmr8k/w-d-xo.html
I use this a lot as it is small enough to carry around. In fact I use one of these regularly teaching the apprentices in class for demonstrations. A very hand piece of equipment for testing components.
Thanks for your comment. 😉
@@MiracleMAX Do you think 5V can move the motor ? i read service manual Mitsubishi, and they say use 5V to move the motor.
@@yusuflbs7535 The position sensor built into the EGR has a 5 volt reference. The motor itself uses a 12 PWM signal. 5 volts may start the motor moving, but I suggest there will be a lot of electrical noise and possible shuddering
@@MiracleMAX Thank for explanation
Good morning, when my l200 triton does the learning of the nozzles it only does the first injector nozzle and for learning, then the mechanic interrupts the process. I've already tried another mechanic and he says it can't be done. Could this procedure take a long time to finish?
Brasil L200 triton gl 2013 motor diesel 3.2 4M41
Hey Claus Roberth Kamchen,
I'm not exactly sure of what you mean. Are you referring to injector coding or small injection quantity relearning?
I have a video on each.
th-cam.com/video/iCK3REQ-yzg/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=MiracleMAX
th-cam.com/video/Z6_ru3XxO20/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=MiracleMAX
This should provide you the step by step process of both procedures.
I hope that helps
MiracleMAX
Good morning, I bought Aliexpress's egr valve. but it works a few kilometers, and after it heats up, it stops working, the supplier sent another one under warranty, but it gave the same problem. Where did you buy this from the video?
thank you Claus
Brazil Google translator
Hello . Thank you for this video. I am an owner of a 2012 Mitsubishi L200 with an automatic transmission gear box. And here is the problem . As I am driving at a normal speed of 80 km/hour -55 miles/h , often stepping away from the gas pedal and let the car go due to traffic, then the car breaks suddenly 2 times and moves from the 4th gear to the second gear. After that it is stucked on the second and I cannot accelerate, the D indecator flashes, and the only way out is to pull over and switch off the engine and started again. Do you have an idea what is causing it ? Can anyone help ? Thank you the diagnostics reads P1782 and P1783
When was the transmission serviced last? Has the oil been flushed, not just drained?
Can you see in live data if the over-drive pressure switch is changing state?
For the P1783 code, check and see if the transmission temperature sensor is reading correctly in live data.
Do you do towing? Have you towed over the limit and overheated the transmission?
This also may give you some direction
mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/pajero_iv/online/Service_Manual/2017/23/html/M123113320020900ENG.HTM
я правильно понял, что управляется клапан напряжением 12в, а управление выходом клапана осуществляется частотой ?
Hey MAX PROFF,
I have entered your comment into Google translate and will try and answer your question as best as I can.
The EGR valve is broken into two circuits - the motor and the potentiometer. The motor is driven by 12 volts. The potentiometer has a 5 volt reference, a ground and a signal return back to the ECU. The ECU drives the EGR motor via a pulse width modulated signal.
th-cam.com/video/pR4J58qmr8k/w-d-xo.html
This is also another video I did on a Triton with an EGR fault
th-cam.com/video/nlErGRhRFMA/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=MiracleMAX
I hope that answers your question.
MiracleMAX
Good job.
Thank you! Cheers!
hi max. kindly help me out. I forgot to put the MAF SENSOR backe after i sprayed some contact cleaner. I road tested my car after for about 30 min. Then I noticec the CHECK ENGINE light turned on. I stopped the car turned the engine off and put the MAF plug back into place. But the CHECK ENGINE light did not go away. Can I try re learning it or something? cna u teach me how? MITSUBISHI STRADA 2012 - Philippines hoping to hear from you soon. Thanks a lot.
You should be able to easily clear the code via a scan tool. If the vehicle goes through several drive cycles, it may even clear itself if you have reconnected the sensor.
Hi max I have a triton 2.5did which I’m stuck with vehicle starts when cam sensor unplugged but won’t start when it’s plugged in
I’ve changed the sensor but no luck
Timing is spot on the marks
Just some background timing belt snapped breaking rockers we had the head redone with engineers and injectors where also reconditioned fault only came up now after we did the head .
Please help me
Are there any fault codes?
@@MiracleMAX when the cam sensor is plugged in no fault codes
@@ishaismail9128 Has this fault only happened since the head repair has been done?
How could I put that fitting room together. You will have the diagram to make egr tester
Hey Braythiago,
I'm not exactly sure of what you are asking, but I will be making a video at some point about the function generator build with a schematic. I'll put it in my 'DIY Workshop Equipment' playlist.
I got the little function generator off Ebay under the title '1Hz~150kHz PWM Signal Generator Pulse Frequency Adjustable Module Test EquiSJKA'
I used the voltage protection circuit from Vince's Thoughts Blog
blog.deconinck.info/post/2017/12/22/18650-Battery-charger-reverse-polarity-protection
I also used a mosfet on the output side to cope with the high current.
Stay tuned for the video & don't forget to subscribe & hit the notification bell so you don't miss out!
MiracleMAX
I was wondering if you can share me the schematic diagram of the egr valve tester
@@braythiago1127 Hey Braythiago,
I have that information in my last comment. When I get a chance, I'll make a video on the build.
How much is the cost of gscan3 Sir?
Hey Jo Pay,
Here in Australia I would contact Mount Auto Equip for pricing.
www.autoequipment.com.au/
Excellent video. With this information I hope to solve my P2413 on a 3.2l Shogun/Pajero. I am interested in your function generator. I have built various gadgets to help me solve other real world problems and would like to build one like yours. Have you a link to your solution?
Hey Paul,
I'm glad you got some help from this video. If you subscribe, you won't miss out on any future related videos.
Here is another video where I used the function generator to diagnose an ignition coil.
th-cam.com/video/G_08QHHxdyA/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=MiracleMAX
I will be making a video at some point about the function generator, so stay tuned! 😉
MiracleMAX
@@MiracleMAX Thanks. Subscribed! I lifted my EGR and found 6.4ohms across the servo motor. Applied 12v across the yellow and purple pins and got crisp movement out and back (with mechanical valve coupled so physical resistance probably not an issue). With unit removed from loom I measured (at connector, ignition on, from connector pin to vehicle ground) G pin1 5v, Br pin 2 9.3v, Bl pin 3 9.5v, Y pin 4 9.4v and Purple pin 6 9.4v. I failed to get a reading with loom connector fixed to valve motor as the seal between loom wires and connector pins is sealed and water tight. I set up mobile phone on video record, cleared codes on OBD-II tool and turned ignition on, waited, off and saw valve pop open/closed and then the unit, without valve movement, heard electro/mechanical pulses that had no visible effect, but may have been an attempt to cycle the valve to open and closed several times (a cycle I've seen reported on other forums), no movement. I'm left wondering whether the motor for the valve is faulty, or the wiring to the value faulty. Any thoughts? I wish I had your function generator to exercise the motor/valve properly.
@@ibslpaul Hey Paul,
Has your code come back?
The fault code P2413 EGR System Performance, can mean a range of problems, not just the EGR itself.
Not sure if you have seen this video relating to the same code.
th-cam.com/video/nlErGRhRFMA/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=MiracleMAX
How many Kms has the vehicle done?
The EGR valve will mechanically wear and then put extra stress on the motor, causing the fault code. Or, carbon build-up can create faults as well.
If you have cleared the code, then the EGR will work again. As shown in the above video, these vehicles will not allow you to do activations until the code is cleared.
Just keep in mind, that this is just a motor with a potentiometer attached, so the ECU knows where the valve is at the time.
I show you further testing in this other video I have given the link for.
It's best to leave the EGR connected to get correct voltage readings as the ECU may run a bias voltage or other strange things may happen. Just use some dress making pins to carefully go past the weather seals to back-probe the connector. You can see I have used some in the linked video.
Here's a link to some information that might help
www.obd-codes.com/p2413
Check out that video - it might give you some more direction in your testing process.
MiracleMAX
@@MiracleMAX Thanks. My engine is the Pajero 3.2 DiD, 200,000Kms, 2012. I studied the info via the links you kindly sent. I was able to fit dress pins to connector and after clearing codes could see a change in the output voltage from the potentiometer 0.8v closed to just under 5v fully opened (manually moved). Bolted EGR back in position. Ran a live recording on my scanner and noted once engine warm the EGR Command could be seen to vary the EGR Error % seen to grow on command change and quickly drop to 0% as the movement matched the commanded position. It operated at tick over for about 5 mins before the P2413 was thrown. I have the live recording and a freeze frame. Nothing jumps out in the various readings leading up to and immediately after the code being thrown. Once thrown the Commanded and Error stay at 0%. I noted that my scanner has another monitor feature which provided the following information: EGR Monitor Bank 1 (title) followed by a list of parameters and settings, Component ID: $01; Limit Type: Min/Max; Test Value: 0.00mg/stk; Minimum Limit: 655.35mg/stk; Maximum Limit: 655.35mg/stk; Status: Fail. Is this an indication of a MAP/MAT sensor error? I think this is my best lead at present.
I have cleaned the valve in past and recently - no play in the value and smooth to move. I have cleaned the pipe from EGR to Manifold. I have not removed and cleaned the manifold and wonder if the ECU is clever enough to identify flow problems if manifold is badly gummed up? It's such a big job to remove the manifold. I have a tin of the Wynns EGR cleaner so may give that a go tomorrow. Any thoughts or guidance on next diagnostic step most appreciated.
@@ibslpaul Hey Paul,
As you saw in the video, I have used Wynns EGR cleaner with a certain amount of success. These engines suffer heaps from carbon build up. At 200,000 Km, I'm sure there is a fair amount of carbon build up.
Just keep in mind that the EGR valve is only part of the intake and exhaust system in the EGR system. If any part of this path is blocked, then the EGR system will log a code.
If you are concerned about if you have a faulty MAF sensor, check out in live data what your readings are at idle and about 2000 RPM.
Nice video. Is it 5V supply?
Hey Neil John Tolentino,
The motor is driven by 12 volts, the potentiometer has a 5 volt reference. The information is listed here:
th-cam.com/video/pR4J58qmr8k/w-d-xo.html
MiracleMAX
@@MiracleMAX thank you sir. I have no check engine but when I scanned, the value of egr target position is zero at idle, once rev it goes up and went back to zero.. do you think its on the egr assembly?
I have an old egr. When i drive it with 12volts.. the valve does not fully open.. is the motor already broken?
@@neiljohntolentino6365
So what issues are you having with the vehicle? Do you have a fault code to work with? How many kilometres has the engine done?
Are the target values the same as the actual values?
@@neiljohntolentino6365 The EGR valve is driven by duty cycle. However when you put 12 volts to it, it should open and when the wires are reversed, it should close.
Here's an example of what I mean
th-cam.com/video/nlErGRhRFMA/w-d-xo.html
Hi Max I am answering some of your questions concerning my triton. I boughti it as a second hand with 144.000 km already on. I do not know its service history because it was imported in my county from Austria and the mechaics there don't answer my e-mails . The chassis number is MMCJYKB40CD006084. Can you or anybody find anything from the record files of Mitsubishi motors ? I forgot to mention the P1766 FAULT SO its three P1766 P1782 and P1783
Sorry, I am not able to research history of your vehicle.
Here is some information on the remaining fault code you have asked about
P1766
mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/pajero_iv/online/Service_Manual/2017/23/html/M123112220042100ENG.HTM
A quoi sert ce compteur ??
The trouble code P2413 is defined as Exhaust Gas Recirculation System Performance issue.
I live with this code, lol
Hopefully the video will help you repair it. 😉 Of course there could be many other issues creating the code, including carbon build up in the intake system