Nice flying. That reminds me of the old days with my Olympic glider, 11 ft wing span, our club used to fly out at a sod farm, miles of flat land and tons of thermals in the hot summer. Your flight reminded me of a couple times I got into a huge thermal, the aircraft pointing almost straight down, and still climbing, and once disappeared into the high fluffy clouds for a moment. The only thing i could do while I could still see it was pick a direction into what wind there was and with full down, keep going until I finally flew out of the thermal. After passing through a couple more violent thermals on the way down, finally was able to land it safely. What a scary experience. Those were the days of our home made high starts with about 300 metres of line and about 75 feet of rubber elastic on the end with a small parachute at the end which hooked onto the glider. I love the little motors today and the folding props. No more setting up high starts, as we had no motors just the old gas engines which we would never put on a glider, that was a sin. lol.. Happy Flying
@@peterzingler6221 I reckon it would be very tricky for an autopilot get the turn at the right angle in the right place. Waypoints might do it but it wouldn't be optimum.
Morgan yeah it’s quite annoying, I like to have it talk to me when running a mission but it just repeats that over and over and its stuck through all the updates that i’ve gotten over the years.
As a glider pilot I find this super interesting! If you want to increase you efficiency try to plan your route along the strongest part of the lift - you set it to fly in a circle/rectangle meaning that in at least one direction it wasn't flying in the best part of the lift
Exactly, and from my experience that flight pattern wasn't anywhere near where I would expect the strongest lift, which of course would be close to the ridge line.
have you stopped paragliding? that looks like an amazing place to do some ridge soaring on PG also. edit: just got to the part of the video where you were flying the second plane... goddamn those are some fat thermals! 🤤 This gave me an idea for a project: an autonomous "thermal finder buddy". You on your PG seeking thermals and the airplane scouting ahead for the best ones :P It's like having a pet vulture, without the feeding and the crapping part :P
Cool ideal. Thermals move, so you'd have to be following the plane. Then that adds the possibility of getting hit by your own plane. On the ground, it's ouch. But having a plane hit the paraglider chute :-(
Bruh, thatd be some BUMPY air for a paraglider. Dry air likes to come up in big bubbles. Hed have to wait for the evening for the thermals to mellow out but yeah, seems like a good spot otherwise hahaha
If you give just enough throttle to get the folding prop out in the air stream, but not enough power to create any forward acceleration, it acts like a giant air brake, better than spoilers. Might have helped with that fast plane landing.
Enjoyed motorcycles for 30+ years before MS got to me - don't ride any longer. Wanna get into RC and learning all about it by watching all your videos. I greatly enjoy the straightforward, no-nonsense explanations. The only exception I can think of was the pumpkin pulse jet ... but you were a bit distracted from providing explanation while playing with a pumpkin-shaped mixture chamber!! lolol!! I even enjoy your friends' musical contributions! Seriously. I just listen to the lyrics and laugh along. You (and your friends!) provide such great content. And now I find out you're a fellow dirty dirtbiker like I used to be? Thank you SO MUCH!! 👍✌
Thank you for the consistent info,videos and data you give us on the Ardupilot and accessories you haveshown us I personally still enjoy your progress and efforts .....
I second this question. I noticed the propeller moving when the motor was dead so it'd be neat. I suspect trying to do this would steal too much momentum and you might stall but it'd be neat if you could do this with thermals.
This would not be very effective. The plane has such a low airspeed that setting up the motor to charge the battery would create an extremely insignificant amount of power generation for the time. In addition to this, the plane is not fully able to soar completely with thermals and needs to boost itself up more with the motor. Essentially it would produce almost no power but create more drag, thus the plane would more often need to use the motor to power itself higher.
I was wondering the same thing. It seems like you would be able to grab at least a bit of power if you used it to charge capacitor or something that didn't have much load and use that to then charge the battery. Im sure there are multiple reasons why this is wrong and wouldn't work but seems like a possible idea.
Having been both the tow boat and towed boat on more than one separate occasion each, it is always nice to find someone willing to help. Boats are a lot of fun and a PIA, all in one. And a hole in the water that you throw money into. Did I mention that they are fun, though? :-)
The majority of the information in your videos is way beyond my knowledge and understanding but for some reason I can't stop watching. Thanks for sharing! Sincerely, A new subscriber
I'm sure you've done the usual adjustments to the ASW 28, like tailplane incidence adjustment, as you've already cut down the tip winglets. I removed the winglets and increased the span to 3.1 mtrs, she floats nicely now. Oh, plus I increased the wing chord by about 15mm, by adding foam to the trailing edge. I used 3mm foam that I "pinched" all along one edge with a woodworking vice, using aluminium radiused counter edging to prevent biting into the foam.
Cool vid. I used to fly my combat wings in Acton where Dynamic Soaring was invented. Those planes go like 250mph through inverted loops up and down the cliff and then use the energy to skyrocket themselves several hundred or thousand feet in the air. It's really a sight to be seen to go watch them do it in person. I was pissing everyone off smacking them in the heads with my combat wing at 60mph lol. I had to tie some serious weight on the nose just to get it to fly there. That spot in Acton is famous and crazy as hell. Worth a visit, man!
Have you considered making all of your turns away from the slope? Essentially a figure 8 pattern instead of a oval. Making turns toward the slope can be problematic especially in higher winds.
A few interesting things about that kind of ridge/thermal conditions assuming there is a gentle breeze up the ridge: - The strongest part of the ridge is just about 45 degrees out from the top of the ridge and rather close to it (a few hundred feet). The air compresses and wind has the strongest ridge lift at that point, not too far out from the ridge. - A thermal can interfere with that ridge wind especially if they are strong thermals. It can even cause the wind to go a different direction on the ridge itself as you discovered. Once the thermal finishes it'll return to the standard wind direction. - A ridge like that is likely to be a trigger point for thermals. The warm air can be blown along the ground until it hits something to trigger it, a ridge is perfect. You also have air heating up on the side of the ridge and creating it's own thermals. - Thermals are usually stronger when combined with ridge lift. I made a video about flying gliders along light ridges th-cam.com/video/hSYeg-l3-9g/w-d-xo.html
Bring several inflatable mattresses (with string to anchor them down) to bounce those fast planes off to slow them down with minimal impact. Deflate them when not needed.
Ever tried a catch-net landing? That rough ground must be tough on the planes especially with fast approaches. I've seen a guy make one up out of fibreglass tent poles and a couple of thin bungee cargo nets for a car trunk strung really loose. 6'x6' piece of carpet underneath to absorb any bounce-back. Packed away very small
Awesome flying, great video as usual. Ideally, the turns should be made away from the slope, which implies in alternating right-hand and left-hand turns. If this cannot be directly programmed by Mission Planner, then perhaps a mission with more intermediate waypoints directing the glider to always turn away from the slope could do the trick.
Just remember that the airframe stress will significantly increase with higher speed. If the AP completely ignore the speed, it might overspeed and when you hit turbulences rip your airframe or your attitude control surfaces apart. Maybe add a speed brake to the plane, if the AP supports that 🤔
Don't forget that on a slope, if the wind is blowing at right-angles to the slope, the lift can work up to many times the height of the slope although it will become progressively weaker with altitude .
Great video Daniel, I enjoyed it very much. I like how you make your videos, considering I am not an expert, but it's so easy to understand what you do, why you do it, how you do it. Once again, great job, keep up the good work :))
I was pondering something that uses weather info, elevation info from some sat info, and the telemetry from the rc glider to plan gliding paths. Nasa MAY have done some work on this, that and this work seems similar.
At a site like that, I would keep the RC planes in the car and get my self into the air with a paraglider. The best FPV is to be in the air yourself. :-)
Pretty cool info dude, judging from the inconsistent and light wind as well as how the planes were going up and down I'd say (from a paraglider pilot's perspective) most of that was thermals :)
Not familiar with ardupilot, but it’s common for autopilots to control altitude with power. Pitch feedback is for controlling speed. If this is the case, what you’re seeing makes sense.
When I was younger, I launched an autonomous glider. When I threw it, I accidentally shut off the receiver and she climbed until the engine ran out of fuel, and then it just flew in a straight line for about half a mile on it's own. Somehow it landed in a ditch, unscathed, lol.
I was out paragliding the same week at the same spot. Too bad I didn't see you there! I've seen that you paraglide at the point, maybe I'll run into you one day since I'm up there most days.
Great video The next time (if legal) it would be great to use a smoke bomb to make the air straw visible. And it would also look good in the video xD Greetings from Germany
If you can put a air temperature sensor on the plane and have it on the telemetry readout you will be able to see if you are in a thermal or not, only takes half a degree of temp increase to cause a thermal
That moment when you're not concerned about the altitude because the plane might hit the ground but because it gets too high and you can't get it down...
-_- You've been on more adventures in that one trip than I've been in my life. Bro I need to stop killing myself for a wage and go on some adventures myself.
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Dude your weekend was more interesting than my entire life
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Your uploads are perfect timing for lunch time on Saturdays here in the UK :)
It's lunch time in india as well.
9pm in Aus. Perfect time
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Nice flying. That reminds me of the old days with my Olympic glider, 11 ft wing span, our club used to fly out at a sod farm, miles of flat land and tons of thermals in the hot summer. Your flight reminded me of a couple times I got into a huge thermal, the aircraft pointing almost straight down, and still climbing, and once disappeared into the high fluffy clouds for a moment. The only thing i could do while I could still see it was pick a direction into what wind there was and with full down, keep going until I finally flew out of the thermal. After passing through a couple more violent thermals on the way down, finally was able to land it safely. What a scary experience. Those were the days of our home made high starts with about 300 metres of line and about 75 feet of rubber elastic on the end with a small parachute at the end which hooked onto the glider. I love the little motors today and the folding props. No more setting up high starts, as we had no motors just the old gas engines which we would never put on a glider, that was a sin. lol.. Happy Flying
Next project: autonomous dynamic speed soaring.
Yeah, that's exactly what I thought as well :)
This would work pretty good. But not with a foam plane. Actually this could become the new record setter
@@peterzingler6221 I reckon it would be very tricky for an autopilot get the turn at the right angle in the right place. Waypoints might do it but it wouldn't be optimum.
I’m glad i’m not the only one who experiences ardupilots “BAD AHRS” consistently.
i get it all the time irl and even in the simulator of mission planner. wtf
Morgan yeah it’s quite annoying, I like to have it talk to me when running a mission but it just repeats that over and over and its stuck through all the updates that i’ve gotten over the years.
1:30 I so recognize that "losing interest already" look from any friend I've ever tried to get into this stuff…
Same😂
Probably the most interesting channel I found on TH-cam in all these years.
As a glider pilot I find this super interesting!
If you want to increase you efficiency try to plan your route along the strongest part of the lift - you set it to fly in a circle/rectangle meaning that in at least one direction it wasn't flying in the best part of the lift
Exactly, and from my experience that flight pattern wasn't anywhere near where I would expect the strongest lift, which of course would be close to the ridge line.
Congrats on achieving autonomous soaring, very cool
Lol tl;dr
I don't understand why you didn't program a figure-8 so it would never turn in towards the hill if you are sloping.
Did you have much experience flying line of sight on the slope before getting into autonomouse flying?
have you stopped paragliding? that looks like an amazing place to do some ridge soaring on PG also. edit: just got to the part of the video where you were flying the second plane... goddamn those are some fat thermals! 🤤
This gave me an idea for a project: an autonomous "thermal finder buddy". You on your PG seeking thermals and the airplane scouting ahead for the best ones :P It's like having a pet vulture, without the feeding and the crapping part :P
Cool ideal. Thermals move, so you'd have to be following the plane. Then that adds the possibility of getting hit by your own plane. On the ground, it's ouch. But having a plane hit the paraglider chute :-(
@@PeXnb area banning would work wouldn't it?
Bruh, thatd be some BUMPY air for a paraglider. Dry air likes to come up in big bubbles. Hed have to wait for the evening for the thermals to mellow out but yeah, seems like a good spot otherwise hahaha
@@SupernovaSpence bumpy is goooood! turbulence is life :D
I'm going to do something similar but instead chase it with RC airplanes with my buddies at my AMA Field
"found a random guy with a boat"
forgets to mention the random chicks...
and the covid pandemic
@@marianoramos598 yeah but bikini bottoms make a perfect mask :)
Lol
lol u think these nerds even talked to them? doubt it
@@r3d0c I think he has a girlfriend? He may even be married
Dude! Love your content. Wish I had more time to do what you do. Living vicariously through you!
First time I watched a flyer who programs software & builds hardware. So cool!
If you give just enough throttle to get the folding prop out in the air stream, but not enough power to create any forward acceleration, it acts like a giant air brake, better than spoilers. Might have helped with that fast plane landing.
Better yet spin it backwards :)
@@iforce2d Do you have any vids coming up?
Bring a badminton net with you to fly into in these situations.
Yep nets work well in rocky terrain
I was just about to suggest a net to capture
This is a really nice solution I think
I envy you man. Got the coolest toys and the knowledge to operate them! Never lose you passion
Enjoyed motorcycles for 30+ years before MS got to me - don't ride any longer. Wanna get into RC and learning all about it by watching all your videos. I greatly enjoy the straightforward, no-nonsense explanations. The only exception I can think of was the pumpkin pulse jet ... but you were a bit distracted from providing explanation while playing with a pumpkin-shaped mixture chamber!! lolol!! I even enjoy your friends' musical contributions! Seriously. I just listen to the lyrics and laugh along. You (and your friends!) provide such great content. And now I find out you're a fellow dirty dirtbiker like I used to be? Thank you SO MUCH!! 👍✌
Man that was a dicey launch at 2:55 - almost stepped on the wing of your other glider!
Oh hah I see later in the vid it wouldn't have mattered if you had :)
Love the chaotic energy of these friends.
Thank you for the consistent info,videos and data you give us on the Ardupilot and accessories you haveshown us I personally still enjoy your progress and efforts .....
What about using the motor as a generator/air brake to recharge de battery?
I second this question. I noticed the propeller moving when the motor was dead so it'd be neat. I suspect trying to do this would steal too much momentum and you might stall but it'd be neat if you could do this with thermals.
Despite my complete lack of autonomous gliding knowledge, I think this sounds like a great idea!
This would not be very effective. The plane has such a low airspeed that setting up the motor to charge the battery would create an extremely insignificant amount of power generation for the time. In addition to this, the plane is not fully able to soar completely with thermals and needs to boost itself up more with the motor. Essentially it would produce almost no power but create more drag, thus the plane would more often need to use the motor to power itself higher.
I was wondering the same thing. It seems like you would be able to grab at least a bit of power if you used it to charge capacitor or something that didn't have much load and use that to then charge the battery. Im sure there are multiple reasons why this is wrong and wouldn't work but seems like a possible idea.
@@madeintexas3d442 The law of the conservation of energy would say otherwise.
This is looks so fun, piknik with friends and fly the beautiful plane. Really cool
Having been both the tow boat and towed boat on more than one separate occasion each, it is always nice to find someone willing to help. Boats are a lot of fun and a PIA, all in one. And a hole in the water that you throw money into. Did I mention that they are fun, though? :-)
Your videos are fun to watch! Boats, planes, rovers, and always with some interesting twist to investigate! :)
The majority of the information in your videos is way beyond my knowledge and understanding but for some reason I can't stop watching. Thanks for sharing!
Sincerely,
A new subscriber
I really enjoy these autonomous vlogs you do Dan, keep up the good work
Gonna go slope soaring tmrw. Thanks for the motivation!
That's exactly the video I've been waiting for 😃 EDIT: Actually, no, I wanted to see the "long range" autonomous soaring in the desert.
I'm sure you've done the usual adjustments to the ASW 28, like tailplane incidence adjustment, as you've already cut down the tip winglets. I removed the winglets and increased the span to 3.1 mtrs, she floats nicely now. Oh, plus I increased the wing chord by about 15mm, by adding foam to the trailing edge. I used 3mm foam that I "pinched" all along one edge with a woodworking vice, using aluminium radiused counter edging to prevent biting into the foam.
Cool vid.
I used to fly my combat wings in Acton where Dynamic Soaring was invented. Those planes go like 250mph through inverted loops up and down the cliff and then use the energy to skyrocket themselves several hundred or thousand feet in the air. It's really a sight to be seen to go watch them do it in person. I was pissing everyone off smacking them in the heads with my combat wing at 60mph lol. I had to tie some serious weight on the nose just to get it to fly there. That spot in Acton is famous and crazy as hell. Worth a visit, man!
Have you considered making all of your turns away from the slope? Essentially a figure 8 pattern instead of a oval. Making turns toward the slope can be problematic especially in higher winds.
When you’re smarter then your friends and they just leave... Nice vid!
Those are some sweeeet blue leather dirt biking boots! wowee!
As always you guys are awesome doing some great stuff
A few interesting things about that kind of ridge/thermal conditions assuming there is a gentle breeze up the ridge:
- The strongest part of the ridge is just about 45 degrees out from the top of the ridge and rather close to it (a few hundred feet). The air compresses and wind has the strongest ridge lift at that point, not too far out from the ridge.
- A thermal can interfere with that ridge wind especially if they are strong thermals. It can even cause the wind to go a different direction on the ridge itself as you discovered. Once the thermal finishes it'll return to the standard wind direction.
- A ridge like that is likely to be a trigger point for thermals. The warm air can be blown along the ground until it hits something to trigger it, a ridge is perfect. You also have air heating up on the side of the ridge and creating it's own thermals.
- Thermals are usually stronger when combined with ridge lift.
I made a video about flying gliders along light ridges th-cam.com/video/hSYeg-l3-9g/w-d-xo.html
Bring several inflatable mattresses (with string to anchor them down) to bounce those fast planes off to slow them down with minimal impact. Deflate them when not needed.
Ever tried a catch-net landing? That rough ground must be tough on the planes especially with fast approaches.
I've seen a guy make one up out of fibreglass tent poles and a couple of thin bungee cargo nets for a car trunk strung really loose. 6'x6' piece of carpet underneath to absorb any bounce-back. Packed away very small
The idea with a piece of cloth on a stick is genius!!! Why didn't I think of that
Awesome flying, great video as usual.
Ideally, the turns should be made away from the slope, which implies in alternating right-hand and left-hand turns. If this cannot be directly programmed by Mission Planner, then perhaps a mission with more intermediate waypoints directing the glider to always turn away from the slope could do the trick.
Just remember that the airframe stress will significantly increase with higher speed. If the AP completely ignore the speed, it might overspeed and when you hit turbulences rip your airframe or your attitude control surfaces apart.
Maybe add a speed brake to the plane, if the AP supports that 🤔
@15:38 is one of the coolest sounding things I've ever heard 😁
Did anybody else catch the white Orb Flying bye 13:35. UFO???.. I don’t know but I always enjoy watching your videos 😀👍
I think the "fun" would be programming ( in contrast to parameter setting) the autopilot to seek out Lift and slope soar in classic figure 8s.
That plane flies like a knife. The noise it makes just gliding past is scary.
pile drive into the ground was fully accurate! I want an autonomous widebody soarer like that V tail, maybe a lifting widebody... : ))
I believe spoilers would solve the issues you described. You need to reduce the lift.
Crow but then the flaps would need to work !
What an awesome slope site!
Don't forget that on a slope, if the wind is blowing at right-angles to the slope, the lift can work up to many times the height of the slope although it will become progressively weaker with altitude .
Keep watching Ardusoar, there are some great improvements coming in, including better stall detection and recovery.
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Great video Daniel, I enjoyed it very much. I like how you make your videos, considering I am not an expert, but it's so easy to understand what you do, why you do it, how you do it. Once again, great job, keep up the good work :))
I love your vids, can you try to make the fastest possible plane/ jet you can
glad to see logic making videos again
I was pondering something that uses weather info, elevation info from some sat info, and the telemetry from the rc glider to plan gliding paths. Nasa MAY have done some work on this, that and this work seems similar.
Dumping Research/Plots Here:
wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Open_Source_Autonomous_Sailplane_Gliding_Software
Looks like a great adventure!
Awesome shots from the mavic
Looks like it's time to try this with the solar plane next!
At a site like that, I would keep the RC planes in the car and get my self into the air with a paraglider. The best FPV is to be in the air yourself. :-)
Awesome vid love watching your stuff 🙂👍👍
woah
i love your autonomous bot vids
Always learning and sharing!
get a camera on the second glider and try some long range fpv flight
because he has good luck with long range fpv flight.
Beautiful video and I love the edit !!
Your ideas are awsome
That looks like a perfect paragliding spot :)
that subaru is awesome.
Solar plane v4 next 👁️
This guy is living my best life
You can change the maximum autopilot descent rate which may the issue in the strong lift
Pretty cool info dude, judging from the inconsistent and light wind as well as how the planes were going up and down I'd say (from a paraglider pilot's perspective) most of that was thermals :)
im sure you get this alot but man u are one of the smartest dudes on youtube
Not familiar with ardupilot, but it’s common for autopilots to control altitude with power. Pitch feedback is for controlling speed. If this is the case, what you’re seeing makes sense.
Duuuude! When are we gonna see an update on the solar plane? I'd love to see a summer flight!
True n super compactors ;)
I am ready for an updated thermal soaring video
When I was younger, I launched an autonomous glider. When I threw it, I accidentally shut off the receiver and she climbed until the engine ran out of fuel, and then it just flew in a straight line for about half a mile on it's own. Somehow it landed in a ditch, unscathed, lol.
14:40 Dam, at that rate of ascent you wont get the plane back in a long time unless you do something about it
Please do more of these videos
I was out paragliding the same week at the same spot. Too bad I didn't see you there! I've seen that you paraglide at the point, maybe I'll run into you one day since I'm up there most days.
Coat your white glider's wings with black spray paint. So it can soar up higher altitudes. Heheheh
Rolling tarp with velcro used as an unrollable landing way strip, add some velcro on the bottom of the planes.
Love your videos! Keep up the great work!!
Great video
The next time (if legal) it would be great to use a smoke bomb to make the air straw visible. And it would also look good in the video xD
Greetings from Germany
If you can put a air temperature sensor on the plane and have it on the telemetry readout you will be able to see if you are in a thermal or not, only takes half a degree of temp increase to cause a thermal
Sounds like a great time!!
HI Daniel
thank you very much for this most interesting video.
I am involved in the same topic and could learn a lot from you of this issue!
Cool brohammuel!! I'll have to look you up to see if we can fly together next time I'm in your area. ✌🏾😎✌🏾
10:28 This wings are like... just... like you can stand over the wings and they won't break up (crack sound). 🤣🤣🤣
I REALLY love your videos
14:00 Like the Hawaii method (foldable/copllapsable chairs in truck bed), but even more goofy.
that was a gooooood landing.
That esky albatross looks epic! would love to see more of it in the future
Cool experiment man. Look forward to the next one.
That moment when you're not concerned about the altitude because the plane might hit the ground but because it gets too high and you can't get it down...
I would like to see more on solar plain power your other videos on solar are so cool
Thanks Man
-_- You've been on more adventures in that one trip than I've been in my life. Bro I need to stop killing myself for a wage and go on some adventures myself.
Amazing social distancing.
In eastern Washington you can have up to 10 people so yeah amazing
Boo whomp cry about it
great concept, well done
Really enjoyed it, thanks!