Except that "cyberpsychosis" is an excuse for this version of America not addressing the combination of physical and mental stress/illnesses that happen. That's what it REALLY is. "cyberpsychosis" is bullshit. What happens is that people snap, because the world around them is insane and grinds them into the dirt, and the things they shove into their body exacerbate their physical and mental stress. They don't "reach a point" where suddenly they're a cyberpsycho, they suffer the sum total of physical and mental stress and damage, and suffer a mental break. THAT'S IT. Maine didn't "become a cyberpsycho," he had a mental break. If this version of America gave a shit about people they would be able to put him into a facility and help him recover. Instead, they don't see the value in that, so they just let him die himself, ignore him, or send MAXTAC to murder him. Like they do with every "cyberpsycho." "Cyberpsycho" is an excuse to ignore the multitude of problems caused by this broken society.
Just in case yall didn't catch it, in the final scene with Maine at the end of the road, you see David run past Maine and his younger self stare at him in awe. Like he truly surpassed him
Episode 6 is a contender for episode of the year. Trigger is one of the most creative studios out there and their style compliments the world of Cyberpunk so well. Truly a work of art. RIP Maine
It's not a spoiler because it doesn't really get addressed in the series at all, but there's a theory that the creator of Cyberpunk 2077 pretty much confirmed - "cyberpsychosis" is just an umbrella term/excuse for psychological instability. And the drugs that everyone needs is really just a way of coping with the stress of using cyberware. Some people are psychologically geared towards using it more, some less. There IS a physical aspect sometimes when the stress is too much physically (like the nosebleeds), but there's a reason why MAXTAC is magically able to recruit cyberpsychos that somehow seem to get better - they have the goods to properly cope with quote/unquote "cyberpsychosis." In reality, what's happening is that these people are stressing their bodies and minds with cyberware, IN ADDITION TO THE INSANE REALITY OF THEIR WORLD. That last part is the key factor. They don't go crazy because "omg so much cyberware." Why would Maine go crazy from that? He works just fine. Doesn't even have a Sandy. He went crazy because the world got to him and he had a mental break. That's what cyberpsychosis is - the many ways that people "snap." And people can come back from that, but THIS WORLD (in particular this AMERICA) does not see the value in TREATING someone dealing with a mental break, so they just kill them. That's what it is.
@@RabidDogma Yeah, people in Maxtac and other big outfits with massive cybermods usually have a "cooldown" rig they switch to in their off-time. Low-tech, so their body and mind can recover.
I know this is a repeat of what I've said elsewhere, but it's important because it directly affects Maine: "Cyberpsychosis" is an excuse for this version of America not addressing the combination of physical and mental stress/illnesses that happen. That's what it REALLY is. "cyberpsychosis" is bullshit. What happens is that people snap, because the world around them is insane and grinds them into the dirt, and the things they shove into their body exacerbate their physical and mental stress. They don't "reach a point" where suddenly they're a cyberpsycho, they suffer the sum total of physical and mental stress and damage, and suffer a mental break. THAT'S IT. Maine didn't "become a cyberpsycho," he had a mental break. If this version of America gave a shit about people they would be able to put him into a facility and help him recover. Instead, they don't see the value in that, so they just let him die himself, ignore him, or send MAXTAC to murder him. Like they do with every "cyberpsycho." "Cyberpsycho" is an excuse to ignore the multitude of problems caused by this broken society.
@@RabidDogma treating actual psychos IRL is already hard enough, but psychos with fucking guns built into their body and whatnot is just too dangerous to "help him recover". There is however a storyline in Cyberpunk 2077 where they basically say, don't kill the psycho's we want to help them. But yeah no, imagine a cyberpsycho is just a regular shooting in today's society, only thing is, they are more deadly.
@@RabidDogma Yeah I really liked that Mike Pondsmith went out of his way to clarify what used to be a theory. Chroming up itself doesn't make you any more or less likely to go psycho. It's when chroming up is compensating for something that is eating away at you. Kinda like someone could be partying all the time and drink a lot, but they are not actually an alcoholic, but then you have that other person that might only drink once or twice a week but desperately need those drinks to drown out their problems and eventually become alcoholics. Hence why so many stories involve warvets going cyberpsycho because obviously, just like in real life, warvets often come back from active service with PTSD and it's far too rare for it to be sufficiently treated. So chrome does to them, what heroin and meth do to some of them in real life. Maine was doing okay because he had a team working like a family, until he had to deal with the loss of Gloria and Pilar, more or less "having to take care of/having responsibility for" David (eventhough he acted like that wasn't the case) and getting the feeling thgat Faraday wasn't being honest/was setting them up. All of a sudden every aspect of his life had spun out of control, so he opened his mind to the psychosis for the first time. Adam Smasher can not go cyberpsycho because while he is chromed up to a ridiculous degree none of the chroming is compensating for any feeling of powerlessness or another mental problem. He likes killing and the implants are simply a tool that helps him do that, nothing more, nothing less. Among people going "I need to drink a few beers to wash away the images of my dead family members." and "I need a beer to recover from a stressful day." Smasher is literally just the dude going "I drink cause I'm thirsty and I like the taste. Nothing else." SPOILERS (for anyone that has not watched past this episode of Edgerunners) David on the other hand was stable at first because he was already of a mind to deal with hardships for the sake of making the people that rely on him happy (his moms hopes and what he was going through at that school), giving him the motivation to keep pushing onward when others might already give up. He was also lucky enough to immediately find a new surrogate family after losing his mom, which kept him even more stable. Then you take away Pilar, Dorio and Maine and have Lucy shut herself off because she is busy trying to save his life and he's suddenly left alone with all of his problems and they are bigger than they have ever been before. That's what messed him up, not chroming up more. Kinda sad actually that Becca was the only person aware enough and invested enough to be someone he can talk to, but even if she was awesome for trying a single hyperaggressive badass-gremlin can't really cover all the bases all of these people did, all on her own.
As someone who had a Grandfather who went through Alzheimer's at the end, it's eerily similar. They keep flashing back to the clearest, happiest moments in their lives, then get whiplashed back into reality scared and angry. Then back again. Punctuated by moments of lucidity where they know you.
Maine's death hits so hard man, it's just incredible how so much depth can be given to a character in so little time. Poor David, witnessing the death of his 2 role models, first his mom and then Maine, who was like his big brother and the only father-like figure he had.
David's dead pan look at nothing in particular at the end is just... absolutely haunting. The old David is gone now. No more innocence, the one thing he somehow still had until now.
Losing Maine after watching him kick it with David and show him the ropes hit hard. The man literally taught David to drive. It did feel too fast to lose him. But goes to show they made a good character considering how we all felt like shit after losing him in a short time.
That 2nd "is this my fault" is one of the most gut wrenching scenes I've ever watched leaves you horrified yet sad at the same time cuz we know his character but I'd also be crying outta fear
A lyric from Major Crimes, the slow and somber synthwave song that plays in this episode when everything is closing in- “Life’s short, why does it take so long?”
This is the episode that simultaneously makes me wish this show show was longer, and makes me happy it wasn't. I know for a fact that if this show was longer Maine's death here would have destroyed me like L's from Death Note. The "even if the show is still great afterwards I'm too emotionally obliterated to really feel what the show wants me to feel." This show is genuinely a masterpiece, and god damn I hope we get more seasons or something.
I think people are missing the underline meaning of what maine means and why he pushed himself to be as chromed out as he is. He was a sports/Athletic junkie. He was told he couldnt push himself even further and get better so he wanted to do what ever he could to push himself there. He was most likely a track runner and thats why he was so obsessed with speed and why they showed him in a runner uniform like for the Olympics.
Don't think so. The reality of being an Edgerunner is that the more famous you become, the more enemies you make. So you end up in this bizzare arms race of who can become and stay strong the fastest. Maine was the leader of the group, so he ends up on all the jobs, so he gets targetted and relied upon the most, so he ends up being the most chromed out.
@@Birthday888 I think you are missing something, everyone was something before this happened. It shows his obsession with speed and wanting to be faster than anyone else in the world. Plus it legit shows him running as a track runner but reaching his limits as a human.
A sports/Athletic junkie who was focused on running....... Think thats why he wanted the cyber spine that makes one go fast in the first place?? He wanted to be as fast as he can before he finally kicked the bucket? 🤔
And if you slow down the panning shot of the road before the explosion, you can see David running ahead, whereas Maine cannot. Like a runner passing the torch to the next runner.
To explain the ice bath... when netrunners deep dive their body function like an overclocked pc, if they don't have anything to control their body temperature they literally FRY. There are fancy chairs that come with all the equipment and whatnot to do that, but most of the great netrunners of the world came from the streets where access to those chairs doesn't come easy, so they improvise... so, the ice bath. And one more tidbit about Maine... the shotgun he is using in this episode is a smartgun that has a function that the bullets track their targets, but for it to function the user needs a secondary implant that connects the user to the gun system so that the user field of vision works as a detection system, but clearly, Maine isn't using the smart targeting which means that he is so overloaded with cyberware that he didn't have space for the targeting system. This serves as a subtle world-building detail for those that know.
I think the reason why Lucy wants to keep the info on Arasaka wanting to use David as an experiment is that knowing David, she's worried that David might actually go through it for the eddies.
Kai Ikarashi's a legend man. His 3rd time having his own episode and doing the Storyboards, Key Animations, and being the Animation Director for that episode. His episode's are always some of the most incredible episodes of anime I watch.
This episode is possibly my favorite, even though it's super depressing. The portrayal of what cyberpsychosis does to someone from both the inside and outside perspective is crazy, and how certain events can both push and pull the victim in both directions of sane and psycho. It's also the episode where... **spoilers ahead, don't show more if you haven't seen the show fully yet** Imo, we see David reach the peak of sanity limits, right before he starts his downward spiral into cyberpsychosis. We see the first glimpse of him starting to snap in the previous episode, where he *thinks* he sees the dead Jimmy Kurosaki look at him and smile. I think the prolonged sandevistan use and watching both Dorio and Maine getting torn apart by that explosion in slow motion is the beginning of what makes him snap
I think the reason why David wanted to save Maine and refused to go and also why Maine was able to kinda come back just before the end, was because they developed a father/son relationship and bonded.
Possibly the best anime episode I've seen in years. I mean this is on par with the best of Attack on Titan IMO, this single episode has forever cemented Edgerunners in my mind as one of the greatest animes to do it.
2:10 So when someone hacks or goes into cyberspace in this world. It looks how ever you want or however your brain sees it. It used to be even more confusing cause you can see a squid or some shit as a data core and your friend sees a literal cube. they actually universalized stuff farther into the net being a thing to prevent that from happening cause it can cause confusion between 2+ hackers trying to do something.
The saddest fact is when Maine dies via the explosion it was fast but David used the sandy to escape meaning he saw every piece of flesh on Maine liquidated in slow motion. He watched his only father figure get ripped bit by bit and the pain on his face should be normal speed in his realm but it was just so painful for him he was stunned by the raw choking emotion and for it to catch up with the sandy. That's why when he got back into the car all he could do is be silent and shed a single tear cus he let out all of his distress and emotional breakage in seconds which might have felt like entity
In the Cyberpunk universe, outside of huge Corpo organisations there are two factions that you absolutely under NO circumstances ever fuck with. MaxTac and Trauma Team. They will FUCK your shit up lol
I cried like a baby when Maine died. These guys get no peace. They're forced to live this life and it's a death sentence. But the writing is so clean and compelling. This is my favorite anime of '22 so far.
Just for clarification for everyone cyberpsychosis common causes are either mental health problems like stress on the brain depression or schizophrenia or it can be due to drug abuse there it could also be do thanks to addiction to getting upgraded in Maine's case even though he also falls in the mental health case and those who know what happens at the end of the show that is completely Mental Health then Hardware
Yes, but it's the hardware that pushes the person's mental state through the wringer. If you take away the concept of pain from a person, it's only logical that they would start to develop unhealthy habits or have trouble distinguishing reality. Every bit of chrome added to a person chips away at their humanity until they finally break.
@@Zikk0_o I mean that is true and not true under the idea for example if you play the game you also know Max Tech every member is considered to be a cyber psycho cuz they love fighting and then there's other people that are highly chromed out that can take it but there are clear reasonings for it within the lore usually it's because they either have human relationships they have an idea of self in the case of Adam Smasher or they're they're in touch with their mental stability or in the rare case that where David Falls is that they're purely special even though I would say David does benefit from the human connection because of the crew
@@kingkb54 There's layers to it of course. Max Tech are given a degree of training and therapy that most citizens can't afford. Smasher is full cyberpsycho, but he's unique in that he was already a high-functioning psychopath before the implants.
@@Zikk0_o The Addams Smasher thing you have wrong he's just a cyborg not psycho because for example in his own origin story it shows that his behavior has not changed at all before he got the cyberware the cyberware did not change him he was always a messed up person
@@kingkb54 Yes he didn't change mentally, but he's still classified as a cyberpsycho because he meets the criteria for one. He has zero empathy and various other tendencies that a cyberpsycho would develop. He's mostly a cyberpsycho because he discarded his flesh completely when Arasaka saved him. He's only like 1-5% human when you see him. Again he's high-functioning.
Maine was shown naturally as a marathon runner build great for distance runs but by the time we see him he’s huge like a body builder not great for long distance runs so it’s was like he couldn’t run anymore basically the end of the line for him due to the amount of cyberware, amazing symbolism
For reference Сyberpsychosis - primarily a game limitation in a board game to keep players from becoming too powerful And according to lore, this is a mental disorder provoked by modifications, characterized primarily by a loss of empathy for other people and obsessions Everything else is individual, not all cyberpsycho immediately arrange a random massacre, although most show aggression The deep dive port connects directly to the visual cortex, which allows the netrunner to visualize the network as a reality, which helps to interact with it better, while through a normal connection, the netrunner simply sees the network interface, windows, lines of code, etc. And one more thing, since eye implants (or lenses) and a personal port on the neck are basic implants that most city dwellers have (like smartphones and bank cards we have in reality, you can not use them in principle, but you will be limited in simple things accessible to most) eyes also serve as an indication of some actions for others Yellow color - a person is talking on the phone Blue - the transfer of money or other information (or view information) Red - sending scripts, most often malicious or completely lethal The situation with red is more like a game convention, since what's the point of warning everyone that you will hack them But we have what we have
Cyberpsychosis is like what happened to Doc Ock from the Spider-Man 2 film. His hardware's advanced programming overtakes his human mind, encouraging him to act in increasingly violent ways using the mechanical arms. It's like the machine desires to be used. Medication helps supress the effects along with a strong willpower and a deep well of empathy. Essentially: The more "human" you are, the more chrome you can tolerate.
Yall gotta remember David is still a kid. Maine was basically his father figure and the fact that David's biological father isn't in the picture its not hard to see why he latched onto Maine as hard as he did. You can say he's stupid but he was obviously going through denial about Maine's condition.
I love the fact they made fun of the random spawning cops during the shootout They would LITERALLY teleport out of nowhere in game and start shooting lol
This ep is like watching your dad lose it to *Alzheimer's.* Except your dad is equipped with the *arsenal of a tank.*
Damn, I've seen this comment on 2 other videos. Wonder where the og came from.
@@KingKermitTheFrog because we feel the same way too. I rewatched this 5x that making me sad bro
@@Pain06 Rip to one of the goats.
Except that "cyberpsychosis" is an excuse for this version of America not addressing the combination of physical and mental stress/illnesses that happen. That's what it REALLY is. "cyberpsychosis" is bullshit. What happens is that people snap, because the world around them is insane and grinds them into the dirt, and the things they shove into their body exacerbate their physical and mental stress. They don't "reach a point" where suddenly they're a cyberpsycho, they suffer the sum total of physical and mental stress and damage, and suffer a mental break. THAT'S IT. Maine didn't "become a cyberpsycho," he had a mental break. If this version of America gave a shit about people they would be able to put him into a facility and help him recover. Instead, they don't see the value in that, so they just let him die himself, ignore him, or send MAXTAC to murder him. Like they do with every "cyberpsycho."
"Cyberpsycho" is an excuse to ignore the multitude of problems caused by this broken society.
Seen this same comment on other videos
Just in case yall didn't catch it, in the final scene with Maine at the end of the road, you see David run past Maine and his younger self stare at him in awe. Like he truly surpassed him
Omg I never noticed that is heartbreaking 🥲
Just saw that. Thankyou for pointing it out. This show is full of gut wrenchers
End of the road for me dawg😢
@@roachies4242 it's your turn now
There is no road but David is somehow keep going..
*Elevator door taking its time*
Sheera: LEEEAAVE
Cop: IM TRYING
It be like that sometimes😭
The fact that this episode happens right after the one where he's acting like a bro with David and is being chill with Kiwi is an emotional gut punch
Faxxx
True but way too fast
They set us up for this, those bastards.
And this is when the heart torture begins 😔
@@makizenin20 it’s trigger, short, heart wrenching stories they specialize in clearly wit this master piece of a anime 🤧
Episode 6 is a contender for episode of the year. Trigger is one of the most creative studios out there and their style compliments the world of Cyberpunk so well. Truly a work of art. RIP Maine
God i want them to do another season or atleast another show like this
@@jeffboy4231 how would they even carry it on?
@@diyarisalim6794 they could tell the story of a new cast each season, make it an anthology
@@ns_jae24 There are three life paths in the Cyberpunk game, maybe they could do a season per life path?
Episode 10 clears ngl. This episode is still great though.
This was really sad to see Maine starting to lose it & accepting his fate, Rest In Peace to both Maine & Dorio.
It's not a spoiler because it doesn't really get addressed in the series at all, but there's a theory that the creator of Cyberpunk 2077 pretty much confirmed - "cyberpsychosis" is just an umbrella term/excuse for psychological instability. And the drugs that everyone needs is really just a way of coping with the stress of using cyberware. Some people are psychologically geared towards using it more, some less. There IS a physical aspect sometimes when the stress is too much physically (like the nosebleeds), but there's a reason why MAXTAC is magically able to recruit cyberpsychos that somehow seem to get better - they have the goods to properly cope with quote/unquote "cyberpsychosis."
In reality, what's happening is that these people are stressing their bodies and minds with cyberware, IN ADDITION TO THE INSANE REALITY OF THEIR WORLD. That last part is the key factor. They don't go crazy because "omg so much cyberware." Why would Maine go crazy from that? He works just fine. Doesn't even have a Sandy. He went crazy because the world got to him and he had a mental break. That's what cyberpsychosis is - the many ways that people "snap." And people can come back from that, but THIS WORLD (in particular this AMERICA) does not see the value in TREATING someone dealing with a mental break, so they just kill them. That's what it is.
@@RabidDogma Yeah, people in Maxtac and other big outfits with massive cybermods usually have a "cooldown" rig they switch to in their off-time. Low-tech, so their body and mind can recover.
Did you have to make 7 separate comments?
@@RabidDogma Are you referring to Mike Pondsmith? Because he’s the creator of the lore and everything
When Maine said "is this my fault?" on a sad tone, I was getting ready to cry.
When Maine said "Is this my fault?" on a CRAZY tone, I broke.
I know this is a repeat of what I've said elsewhere, but it's important because it directly affects Maine:
"Cyberpsychosis" is an excuse for this version of America not addressing the combination of physical and mental stress/illnesses that happen. That's what it REALLY is. "cyberpsychosis" is bullshit. What happens is that people snap, because the world around them is insane and grinds them into the dirt, and the things they shove into their body exacerbate their physical and mental stress. They don't "reach a point" where suddenly they're a cyberpsycho, they suffer the sum total of physical and mental stress and damage, and suffer a mental break. THAT'S IT. Maine didn't "become a cyberpsycho," he had a mental break. If this version of America gave a shit about people they would be able to put him into a facility and help him recover. Instead, they don't see the value in that, so they just let him die himself, ignore him, or send MAXTAC to murder him. Like they do with every "cyberpsycho."
"Cyberpsycho" is an excuse to ignore the multitude of problems caused by this broken society.
@@RabidDogma treating actual psychos IRL is already hard enough, but psychos with fucking guns built into their body and whatnot is just too dangerous to "help him recover". There is however a storyline in Cyberpunk 2077 where they basically say, don't kill the psycho's we want to help them. But yeah no, imagine a cyberpsycho is just a regular shooting in today's society, only thing is, they are more deadly.
@@RabidDogma In the videogame a Fixer try's to actually do this. They Recruit the Playable character to go out and gently bring them in if possible.
@@Mike-ou8pd You may or may not have caught it, but in game most of max tac is former cyberpsychos. Theres even a quest where you can talk to one.
@@RabidDogma
Yeah I really liked that Mike Pondsmith went out of his way to clarify what used to be a theory. Chroming up itself doesn't make you any more or less likely to go psycho. It's when chroming up is compensating for something that is eating away at you. Kinda like someone could be partying all the time and drink a lot, but they are not actually an alcoholic, but then you have that other person that might only drink once or twice a week but desperately need those drinks to drown out their problems and eventually become alcoholics.
Hence why so many stories involve warvets going cyberpsycho because obviously, just like in real life, warvets often come back from active service with PTSD and it's far too rare for it to be sufficiently treated. So chrome does to them, what heroin and meth do to some of them in real life.
Maine was doing okay because he had a team working like a family, until he had to deal with the loss of Gloria and Pilar, more or less "having to take care of/having responsibility for" David (eventhough he acted like that wasn't the case) and getting the feeling thgat Faraday wasn't being honest/was setting them up. All of a sudden every aspect of his life had spun out of control, so he opened his mind to the psychosis for the first time.
Adam Smasher can not go cyberpsycho because while he is chromed up to a ridiculous degree none of the chroming is compensating for any feeling of powerlessness or another mental problem. He likes killing and the implants are simply a tool that helps him do that, nothing more, nothing less. Among people going "I need to drink a few beers to wash away the images of my dead family members." and "I need a beer to recover from a stressful day." Smasher is literally just the dude going "I drink cause I'm thirsty and I like the taste. Nothing else."
SPOILERS (for anyone that has not watched past this episode of Edgerunners)
David on the other hand was stable at first because he was already of a mind to deal with hardships for the sake of making the people that rely on him happy (his moms hopes and what he was going through at that school), giving him the motivation to keep pushing onward when others might already give up. He was also lucky enough to immediately find a new surrogate family after losing his mom, which kept him even more stable. Then you take away Pilar, Dorio and Maine and have Lucy shut herself off because she is busy trying to save his life and he's suddenly left alone with all of his problems and they are bigger than they have ever been before. That's what messed him up, not chroming up more. Kinda sad actually that Becca was the only person aware enough and invested enough to be someone he can talk to, but even if she was awesome for trying a single hyperaggressive badass-gremlin can't really cover all the bases all of these people did, all on her own.
You know the episode is crazy good when Lupa's not cracking a joke every 20 seconds
and sheera is not making the same down bad brain dead joke for the 555th time s
@@hcchjvdhcb pov you never leave your room:
@@hcchjvdhcbYour entire username is a brain dead down bad joke. LMAOOO you changed your username. ☠️☠️
@@chunni4812 wow, how did u know?
@@hcchjvdhcb its obvious, only losers talk shit on sheera
As someone who had a Grandfather who went through Alzheimer's at the end, it's eerily similar. They keep flashing back to the clearest, happiest moments in their lives, then get whiplashed back into reality scared and angry. Then back again. Punctuated by moments of lucidity where they know you.
Maine's death hits so hard man, it's just incredible how so much depth can be given to a character in so little time. Poor David, witnessing the death of his 2 role models, first his mom and then Maine, who was like his big brother and the only father-like figure he had.
David's dead pan look at nothing in particular at the end is just... absolutely haunting.
The old David is gone now. No more innocence, the one thing he somehow still had until now.
missed opportunity to say "the MAINE thing he still had"
Losing Maine after watching him kick it with David and show him the ropes hit hard. The man literally taught David to drive. It did feel too fast to lose him. But goes to show they made a good character considering how we all felt like shit after losing him in a short time.
Fr. Maine was the dad of the group
@@SolidSnake240 Bro was literally the Barret of Edgerunners.
You guys were screaming "leave" so loud to that cop that you didnt even notice him pressing the elevator button like 10 times
The weeks of anticipation for this episode have finally come
That 2nd "is this my fault" is one of the most gut wrenching scenes I've ever watched leaves you horrified yet sad at the same time cuz we know his character but I'd also be crying outta fear
A lyric from Major Crimes, the slow and somber synthwave song that plays in this episode when everything is closing in-
“Life’s short, why does it take so long?”
This is the episode that simultaneously makes me wish this show show was longer, and makes me happy it wasn't.
I know for a fact that if this show was longer Maine's death here would have destroyed me like L's from Death Note. The "even if the show is still great afterwards I'm too emotionally obliterated to really feel what the show wants me to feel."
This show is genuinely a masterpiece, and god damn I hope we get more seasons or something.
I think people are missing the underline meaning of what maine means and why he pushed himself to be as chromed out as he is. He was a sports/Athletic junkie. He was told he couldnt push himself even further and get better so he wanted to do what ever he could to push himself there.
He was most likely a track runner and thats why he was so obsessed with speed and why they showed him in a runner uniform like for the Olympics.
Don't think so. The reality of being an Edgerunner is that the more famous you become, the more enemies you make. So you end up in this bizzare arms race of who can become and stay strong the fastest. Maine was the leader of the group, so he ends up on all the jobs, so he gets targetted and relied upon the most, so he ends up being the most chromed out.
@@Birthday888 I think you are missing something, everyone was something before this happened. It shows his obsession with speed and wanting to be faster than anyone else in the world. Plus it legit shows him running as a track runner but reaching his limits as a human.
@@adicusdeathreaper Fair, It's been a while since I've watched the show. I think both things can be true though.
A sports/Athletic junkie who was focused on running....... Think thats why he wanted the cyber spine that makes one go fast in the first place?? He wanted to be as fast as he can before he finally kicked the bucket? 🤔
@@s3a.w Oh definitely. That kind of burden on top of his gun that was already causing him issues, he would have been done for much sooner.
What's really heartbreaking is when you realize that the desert is Maine literally seeing the end of the road.
And if you slow down the panning shot of the road before the explosion, you can see David running ahead, whereas Maine cannot. Like a runner passing the torch to the next runner.
As tough as it was to watch at times, this was the episode that launched Edgerunners from merely good into the ranks of truly great anime, IMHO.
To explain the ice bath... when netrunners deep dive their body function like an overclocked pc, if they don't have anything to control their body temperature they literally FRY.
There are fancy chairs that come with all the equipment and whatnot to do that, but most of the great netrunners of the world came from the streets where access to those chairs doesn't come easy, so they improvise... so, the ice bath.
And one more tidbit about Maine... the shotgun he is using in this episode is a smartgun that has a function that the bullets track their targets, but for it to function the user needs a secondary implant that connects the user to the gun system so that the user field of vision works as a detection system, but clearly, Maine isn't using the smart targeting which means that he is so overloaded with cyberware that he didn't have space for the targeting system. This serves as a subtle world-building detail for those that know.
I think the reason why Lucy wants to keep the info on Arasaka wanting to use David as an experiment is that knowing David, she's worried that David might actually go through it for the eddies.
Have you watched the show?
@@Zarathustr I wish you luck in whatever you're going through in life :)
@@iconoclast6555 You silly billy. It’s okay we all miss things sometimes 💚
Kai Ikarashi's a legend man. His 3rd time having his own episode and doing the Storyboards, Key Animations, and being the Animation Director for that episode. His episode's are always some of the most incredible episodes of anime I watch.
Kiwi is still alive, he just knocked her out. The thing with her face is a modification people can get.
Maine death theme is a masterpiece CHILLS!!!! One of the best anime episode ever.
The end of one’s cyber psychosis, is the beginning of another’s.
Now time to prepare myself for the last 4 episodes.
In all fairness David is like what 17 or 18? Makes sense the boi freezes up sometimes, shit is extra wild in that universe
Arguably the single best anime episode in the entire year.
This is the best episode of the series in my opinion, I just really enjoyed how they handled Maine in this.
And so it begins.. the true despair. Bucke up y'all, we getting our feels hit all over again
This episode was art...ART I TELL YOU
Kiwi's not dead she just doesn't have a mouth.
This episode is possibly my favorite, even though it's super depressing. The portrayal of what cyberpsychosis does to someone from both the inside and outside perspective is crazy, and how certain events can both push and pull the victim in both directions of sane and psycho. It's also the episode where... **spoilers ahead, don't show more if you haven't seen the show fully yet**
Imo, we see David reach the peak of sanity limits, right before he starts his downward spiral into cyberpsychosis. We see the first glimpse of him starting to snap in the previous episode, where he *thinks* he sees the dead Jimmy Kurosaki look at him and smile. I think the prolonged sandevistan use and watching both Dorio and Maine getting torn apart by that explosion in slow motion is the beginning of what makes him snap
Love how Maine mentions the cops coming out of nowhere like in the game
I think the reason why David wanted to save Maine and refused to go and also why Maine was able to kinda come back just before the end, was because they developed a father/son relationship and bonded.
Possibly the best anime episode I've seen in years. I mean this is on par with the best of Attack on Titan IMO, this single episode has forever cemented Edgerunners in my mind as one of the greatest animes to do it.
It's up there for me with the final Gunbuster ova episode for the holy shit factor.
This episode broke me 😭😭
they are called edgerunners because they push there limits, they are at the edge on sanity and cyberpsychosis
This episode hurt the first time I watched. But somehow re-watching it with you guys actually made me tear up this time, damn 😭
2:10 So when someone hacks or goes into cyberspace in this world. It looks how ever you want or however your brain sees it. It used to be even more confusing cause you can see a squid or some shit as a data core and your friend sees a literal cube. they actually universalized stuff farther into the net being a thing to prevent that from happening cause it can cause confusion between 2+ hackers trying to do something.
The saddest fact is when Maine dies via the explosion it was fast but David used the sandy to escape meaning he saw every piece of flesh on Maine liquidated in slow motion. He watched his only father figure get ripped bit by bit and the pain on his face should be normal speed in his realm but it was just so painful for him he was stunned by the raw choking emotion and for it to catch up with the sandy.
That's why when he got back into the car all he could do is be silent and shed a single tear cus he let out all of his distress and emotional breakage in seconds which might have felt like entity
This episode got me all teary eye. I wish there was a reaction that was as into the episode as us fans
This episode breaks me every time, the music, the scenery, everything
This was a real shocker. Rest In Peace, Dorio and Maine.
Why is this show so good for no reason
“Yo turn him off” lmao
Also the sound at 10:29 killed me
“Send me out… with a bang.”
In the Cyberpunk universe, outside of huge Corpo organisations there are two factions that you absolutely under NO circumstances ever fuck with. MaxTac and Trauma Team. They will FUCK your shit up lol
I cried like a baby when Maine died. These guys get no peace. They're forced to live this life and it's a death sentence.
But the writing is so clean and compelling. This is my favorite anime of '22 so far.
2:02 had me double and triple checking discord thinking I missed a message somewhere 😂
I Lucy is the reason why trauma team came because she's the one who burned Tanaka.
Just for clarification for everyone cyberpsychosis common causes are either mental health problems like stress on the brain depression or schizophrenia or it can be due to drug abuse there it could also be do thanks to addiction to getting upgraded in Maine's case even though he also falls in the mental health case and those who know what happens at the end of the show that is completely Mental Health then Hardware
Yes, but it's the hardware that pushes the person's mental state through the wringer. If you take away the concept of pain from a person, it's only logical that they would start to develop unhealthy habits or have trouble distinguishing reality. Every bit of chrome added to a person chips away at their humanity until they finally break.
@@Zikk0_o I mean that is true and not true under the idea for example if you play the game you also know Max Tech every member is considered to be a cyber psycho cuz they love fighting and then there's other people that are highly chromed out that can take it but there are clear reasonings for it within the lore usually it's because they either have human relationships they have an idea of self in the case of Adam Smasher or they're they're in touch with their mental stability or in the rare case that where David Falls is that they're purely special even though I would say David does benefit from the human connection because of the crew
@@kingkb54 There's layers to it of course. Max Tech are given a degree of training and therapy that most citizens can't afford. Smasher is full cyberpsycho, but he's unique in that he was already a high-functioning psychopath before the implants.
@@Zikk0_o The Addams Smasher thing you have wrong he's just a cyborg not psycho because for example in his own origin story it shows that his behavior has not changed at all before he got the cyberware the cyberware did not change him he was always a messed up person
@@kingkb54 Yes he didn't change mentally, but he's still classified as a cyberpsycho because he meets the criteria for one. He has zero empathy and various other tendencies that a cyberpsycho would develop. He's mostly a cyberpsycho because he discarded his flesh completely when Arasaka saved him. He's only like 1-5% human when you see him. Again he's high-functioning.
Maine was shown naturally as a marathon runner build great for distance runs but by the time we see him he’s huge like a body builder not great for long distance runs so it’s was like he couldn’t run anymore basically the end of the line for him due to the amount of cyberware, amazing symbolism
For reference
Сyberpsychosis - primarily a game limitation in a board game to keep players from becoming too powerful And according to lore, this is a mental disorder provoked by modifications, characterized primarily by a loss of empathy for other people and obsessions Everything else is individual, not all cyberpsycho immediately arrange a random massacre, although most show aggression
The deep dive port connects directly to the visual cortex, which allows the netrunner to visualize the network as a reality, which helps to interact with it better, while through a normal connection, the netrunner simply sees the network interface, windows, lines of code, etc.
And one more thing, since eye implants (or lenses) and a personal port on the neck are basic implants that most city dwellers have (like smartphones and bank cards we have in reality, you can not use them in principle, but you will be limited in simple things accessible to most) eyes also serve as an indication of some actions for others
Yellow color - a person is talking on the phone
Blue - the transfer of money or other information (or view information)
Red - sending scripts, most often malicious or completely lethal
The situation with red is more like a game convention, since what's the point of warning everyone that you will hack them But we have what we have
Cyberpsychosis is like what happened to Doc Ock from the Spider-Man 2 film. His hardware's advanced programming overtakes his human mind, encouraging him to act in increasingly violent ways using the mechanical arms. It's like the machine desires to be used. Medication helps supress the effects along with a strong willpower and a deep well of empathy. Essentially: The more "human" you are, the more chrome you can tolerate.
"Every episode of this show has been a bad time." lol, so true. This show is rough. AND it's a prologue to prep you for the game. Night City is rough.
The music man... beautiful.
Man...this episode hurt, the animation and art was fking amazing and brutal..really showed cyberpsychosis isn't a joke.
That tear at the end...damn.
That comment about police showing up out oif nowhere is a reference to how the game spawned police literally right behind you when it released lmao
Glad to see yall got the symbolism of him hitting the end of the road.
This episode is fucking incredible. One of the best send offs for a character I've ever seen.
how many times you finna comment 😭😭
I honestly wasn't even gonna watch this show, but it's turned out to be so good I'm glad I gave it a chance
Your intros are fire man, bless your channel with this music
Emotional gut punch, reminds me when my Grandad loss himself to Alzheimer's. Man destroyed 2 squads of Max Tac, Maine notoriety didn't fall.
Note to self: Never get attached to any fictional characters. Ever.
a masterpiece of an episode.
I feel like whenever things go south and david is super slow to react, he activates his sandevistan without controlling it
only intro i watch faithfully
The part where main snap a dudes head he looked crazy 😅
everyone's gangsta until ep 6 comes and makes them cry
This episode almost had me crying 😭. It was so good, but also sad asl
the counter to cyberpsychosis is to literally just have a good mental state lmao
The last guy Maine punched was trying to leave, but the elevator wasn't coming and he was at a deadend
Maine was in a cyberpsychosis flashback in the beginning of the episode where he was running. Then Dorio calling him in & snaps back to our Maine
yo shout out to the editor, like loving the little details on the schedule, "marcket crash" "ur mom" dope Xd
Kiwi just got knocked out , she’s still around
Yall gotta remember David is still a kid. Maine was basically his father figure and the fact that David's biological father isn't in the picture its not hard to see why he latched onto Maine as hard as he did. You can say he's stupid but he was obviously going through denial about Maine's condition.
U know that when an episode starts with a flashback 💩 gonna hit the fan
Maine seemed like a mentor and a older brother to David. At least he went out with a bang.
I love the fact they made fun of the random spawning cops during the shootout
They would LITERALLY teleport out of nowhere in game and start shooting lol
This is what happens when you fry your CPU on your PC with all of these high-end graphic cards
I sighed out loud when I saw the thumbnail.....
It must suck to be regular as people in NC. just shoot at the bulletproof man until you turn into sprite cranberry.
Lol, “Every episode of this show has been a bad time”. Welcome to Night City :)
I'm glad ya'll realised Trauma team is the one who killed Dorio
It's getting frustrating how people can't notice Maines gun BEHIND her.
I can already see their frustration in the coming episodes.
It was like getting a pizza at midnight when you starving af and then it dropping on the ground. Just pain and suffering.
Ngl this was my favorite episode and set me up for what to expect by the finale. 10/10
english dub of this show was so good. this episode hit me like a ton of bricks
rip Maine really loved his character 😭😭
Is it just me or is it funny as hell when someone gets popped then a swiffer ad comes on for 6secs🤣😵
AND IT ALL GOES DOWNHILL FROM HERE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!!!
G dam, you must've dropped like 10k on your opening animation. So cool.
He didn't kill Kiwi, he just sent her to the ER
Test of a person's true value? Death. Facing it, staring it down. You still got a chance to be somebody.
(Jonhy silverhand Constructec)
2:32 FALCO PUNCH!
Damn, David took the cursed hand. Im sure that wont bite him in the chromed butt.
that sound @10:29 threw me off guard lmao
"starting at the wall...." bahahahaha for real tho
“This mess my fault?” 💀
Had me checking my discord thinking I was losing my mind.