@@SandSlash242 eh I would have prefered they get to space together and get a season 2 with both of them. While sad endings work, I rarely agree with them. irl is already sad enough.
@@kossemoore3342and the contrast with the previous episode of David getting better while in this one Maine gets worse. And the fact he also experiences the jump cuts with us. Shit is pretty genius ngl
@@emancules absolutely and in so many ways mane is just David farther along. Everyone thinks they're special until they're not. Night city takes no prisoners.
Cyberpsychosis IS treatable, therapy helps and as Dorio said at the start he could go "lite spec" so you can get some cybernetics that put less strain on you. In the game there is a series of quests where you capture cyberpsychos for them to be treated. I think tech in this universe is high enough you could probably get some organs regrown...for a price. Usually though once the symptoms set in the person becomes dangerous and it's hard to get people into treatment before it all goes south.
Cloning and cryogenics are so cheap and efficient that replacing organs and limbs with cloned ones is about the same price as cybernetics. People prefer cybernetics because it goes beyond human capabilities. For example, a cloned limb would be genetically the same "age" as the genetic sample used to create it, in addition to being "only" an human limb, whereas a cybernetic prosthesis comes with props. Also the symptoms of Cyberpsychosis vary from person to person, after all, according to Mike Pondsmith, it is a mixture of dissociation disorder, nervous breakdown and sometimes roid rage.
@@pedrohenriquedasilvaroque1085 Yep. Cyberpsychosis actually is only partially to do with the actual implants. Otherwise all the borged out Corpos would be all going insane. It's just that there's a very clear correlation between the amount of implants you have and how violent a lifestyle you lead and therefore have a much higher liklihood of being traumatized/having tons of mental stress, since like you said, cybernetics let you break pass human limits.
If I remember correctly, Regina asks you to take down cyberpsycho's so that they can look into ways to treat them not necessarily that they already have a way to do it. The game seemed to imply that you can only prevent going full cyberpsycho with meds and therapy not actually treat it after you hit the deep end.
Yeah, cyberpsychosis is, essentially, an alienation of the self; of being human. Therefore there are two ways to avoid ending up a cyberpsycho even with tons of chrome. One is to have something to keep you anchored to your humanity, like a loving and supporting partner or therapy; the other is to just not have a sense of humanity in the first place like Adam Smasher. Ironically, in her efforts to protect David from Arasaka, she ended up more or less killing him, since she wasn't there when he actually needed her to keep him sane.
5:14 it didn’t dawn on me when first watching, but the ice bath does make sense. To net dive must take so much processing power and put so much stress on one’s cybernetics, an ice bath must be the best intervention to prevent overheating.
It’s considered the cheap option in universe. But it’s also a matter of preference for some people. A lot of corpo Netrunner use specialized suits connected to high tech chair-computers that precisely regulate their body temperature. But more systems in use mean more possible incursion points as well for enemy runners.
@@spiraljumper74 very good point. didn’t think about the actual cooling system being another point of entry, an ice bath circumvents that issue entirely
Marketa accidentally calling Spidey the throat goat is the best thing lmao They already finished but Faraday is strictly the middleman, he just gets paid by Corps to find someone to do the job to reduce that liability. It's how a lot of millionaires irl make money real quiet like
The hole idea of Faraday is that he thinks he can be more, become an actual corpo with real power and status but he is ultimately as disposable as everyone else.
I loved this episode so much. The sentiment that Maine could still recognize David while full cyberpsycho (when he still couldn’t see Dorio) really shows how much he cared for him.
If you watch the music video that they released for the ending song, it shows the story of Maine's crew's previous netrunner who died on a job. I think the reason that Maine refuses to scale back is that he feels responsible for her death and doesnt want to fail to protect another member of his crew again.
16:44 From what ive heard and read, the shitty release cant be blamed on the developers working on the game being "shit at their jobs". More so the blame falls on the extremely tight and essentially unrealistic deadline they were forced to meet due to the board of investors who run the studio, dying to cash out on such a highly anticipated game. They were doing MILLIONS in pre orders, and the corpo brain profiteers who run the show with their wallets, wanted their return investment lol. I could be completely wrong, but with everything we know/hear about these types of corporations over working their devs, and forcing them to work under extremely excruciating constraints and deadlines, I'm a firm believer in the idea that this falls on them(the board) just forcing the game out TOO EARLY when it just wasnt ready.
99% of the time is the fault of the higher ups, just think about it, devs usually earn very, VERY little compared to the higher ups, so why would the devs that earn so low want to make a shitty game? Theres no reason, the devs try their max to make the most with what they can, but the higher ups always fuck things up for them
In the game, V was packed with way more chrome than David or Maine. By how much chrome implants were in the body, V should've gone cyberpsycho long ago, but CDPR confirmed that the reason why V doesn't go cyberpsycho is because of Johnny being stuck in the head and absorbing all the negative effects of it. Johnny's chip was killing V, but it is also true that Johnny's psyche helped prolong V's lifespan and prevent the effects of cyberpsycosis from taking over.
There's also the fact that V is primarily a video game character, by which I mean he was meant to be OP, breaking the rules of Mike's universe. For example, people made a list of the implants he had before the regalia, and even using the 2020 version rules for status (which goes up to 10) and the red version list for humanity cost per implant, V would be bordering cyberpsychosis since the beginning of the game, even if he had the highest possible empathy value.
@@pedrohenriquedasilvaroque1085 True, but it is also a fact that they're in 2077. Techs and implants in 2077 won't be the same as those in 2020 and other games. In due time, things could get updated and improved to make it more tolerable to people... like how cars went from 10mph in 1886 to 300+ mph in the present day. I'm pretty sure that the implants in 2077 would be more tolerable due to better technology than the obsolete predecessors of 2020. But then again... like you said, he's the protagonist and was made to be the greatest and strongest merc of Night City. So it could be either of it.
@@hrthusagar Red takes place in 2045. It is most the last one since cybercykosis, being canonically a mixture of dissociation and mental breakdown, has more to do with the individual's psychology than with the technology itself. A proof of this is that the first cases of cyberpsychosis in the Cyberpunk world occurred in people with simple implants and/or artificial organs, due to the horrible situations of life and working conditions. Cyberpsychosis was further explored in the new rulebook, as well as what causes you to lose humanity, in the case of cybernetics it is more the act of putting cybernetics than the technology itself that costs humanity, as the person is willingly removing a fully functional part of itself and replacing it with cybernetics.
Maines chrome is way more extensive than v's. Compare him running at the start to his huge cyber body. V just looks the same. Meanwhile full cyborg replacements arent uncommon in the setting
I love how y’all were just… staring flabbergasted at the end there lol. This episode really get you like that. Easily one of the best anime episodes of 2022, and maybe ever.
If y'all watch one of the last scenes closely, the road that Maine was walking on, he stops at a certain point and never makes it ahead. And so he knew his time would be up sooner or later (his end of the road metaphorically,) but you see him watch David go ahead, farther than he ever could, and he was proud of the fact. Sad thing is that he couldn't downgrade since he's the team muscle and that would render the team weak in certain aspects. This is where IT begins.
Mike Pondsmith has likened Cyberpsychosis to Roid Rage; after a point you get addicted to the feeling of getting stronger and don't want to go back. Edit: had misspelled likened
I believe that the game says (in the Regina missions for cyberpsychos) that cyberpsychosis is the product of the combination of (mostly) mental trauma and (partially) the cyber implants, so while getting a bunch of implants does not do you any good, it is mainly the mental toll of trauma that seals your fate.
As I understand it, it has to do with a perceived loss of humanity and a lack of support. As people replace bits of themselves with machines, they can start to see themselves as not quite human. If they don't have a network of friends and family to help them, they can start to lose touch with their own sense of self, eventually leading to cyberpsychosis. Because most cyberpsychos are people who are heavily augmented, they tend to be very hard to subdue without killing them, and they tend to be violent. However, in the rare case that a cyberpsycho is taken alive, therapy and removal of the cybernetics can help bring them back to some semblance of normalcy. People at risk of cyberpsychosis and without anyone to lean on can see therapists to help keep them grounded and sane, but many don't know or care to sake out help.
@@pollin522 Realistically "cyberpsychosis" is likely a term created by the executives running these massive corporations as a means of removing blame from their involvement and also further dehumanizing the populations. It's most likely just a mental break due to extreme situations combined with a loss of self and a lack of a support system. However, due to the augmentations these people put their bodies under its increasingly more dangerous to have a mental break, since you pose an immediate threat being a walking bio-weapon. If you call these people cyber-psychos, you're further denying their humanity, reducing them to a bunch of augmented parts. I mean what human wouldn't break putting their mom into a vending machine for their ashes?
Game is amazing the developers fixed most of the issues from the terrible launch and its definitely one of my favorites already, it was just so ambitious it needed more time in the oven but what we have today is incredible
05:20 "Is getting naked a requirement?" I mean, if you gonna get into a icebath and then need to get out would you not like to have dry clothes for after? The sad thing about the whole situation Main is in is that Cyberpsychosis is treatable and reversible. High stress, low emotional support, lose of "self" from augmenting and changing your body too much are the contributing factors. But scale down and retire? That just aint Main. He is the team leader, that means he got to take care of everyone. That means he got to be at peak performance and always be the best. Just look at his arm. Not only does he have Gorilla Arms, but he fits in projectile system there as well just to be extra. 17:11 "Keanu is a AI" He is a digital construct, or Engram, of a persons mind. Taken by force and stored digitally. Like downloading someones mind on a CD. Spoilers for Gloria --- It is not stated in the show, but the hospital she goes to exists in the game. It is used by Militech to perform human experiments should they want to.. So yeah, 95% chance she was killed due to them running some test on her. But honestly, knowing Night City it is a very real possibility that she was dead right there on the highway and they just pretended she was alive so they could charge David money for "treating" her.
3:45 Sorta. You can get cloned flesh attached to you to replace some of what you've lost, but it is expensive and limited. Aside from that you can have your stuff replaced with medical grade cyberware. Basically prosthetic made of medical plastic that is way less harsh on your body.
In universe, cloning and cryogenics are so cheap and efficient that replacing organs and limbs with cloned ones is about the same price as cybernetics. People prefer cybernetics because it goes beyond human capabilities. For example, a cloned limb would be genetically the same "age" as the genetic sample used to create it, in addition to being "only" an human limb, whereas a cybernetic prosthesis comes with props
There's a music video for the end credits song called "Let You Down" that acts as a prequel to the show. You meet a former crew member and see what some think is why Maine keeps chroming more which leads to this. Absolutely amazing song and beautiful video. Can watch it now without spoiling anything but avoid the other, "I Really Want To Stay At Your House," until you finish the show as that has HUUUGE spoilers.
I recently realized that cyber psychosis in cyberpunk is equatable to insanity in Call of Cthulhu, another tabletop franchise. You encounter enough horrors (unknown ancient abominations in Cthulhu’s case, capitalism run rampant in cyberpunk’s case) you lose touch with your humanity because that’s the only way to process what you’ve been thru
yeh, steroid addiction, can't go back because you can't function without it. in this case with the added caviat that downgrading hardware means being weaker in a world that doesn't forgive weakness, and where you are responsible for ppl.
16:50 So apparently around when Edgerunners came out they released a massive update to the game and combined with mods the game is actuality way better compared to when it was released. Plus the DLC that’s going to be released
Zach Aguilar really did deserve the award for this role. First time watching the show I really felt like David was a real person with genuine reactions most the time. It was also really cool to see the voice of our sweet Tanjiro say some out of pocket shit, and who can forget him saying "IM BUILT DIFFERENT" 🦾
Lucy flatlined Tanaka to make sure the info about David being a POI to Arasaka doesn't get leaked. That caused Trauma Team to blast through the door with NCPD and eventually got Dorio and Maine smoked.
Sooooooo, now you understand the difference between "mostly dead" (JK) and "all the way dead" (Tanaka). Even Trauma Team has limits on their services. "Client has Flatlined, contract is void. We're outta here!" The edge is there for everyone, creeping up behind you, the faster you run, the faster it closes in on you till your footfalls land on nothing..... Do what you do best David. Lucy saw SOMETHING in that data, and now it is just ON..... Wrong Gungan Thunder.... EVERY bodymod is an option. Wings been around for decades choom.
I think the reason Maine doesn't want to downgrade is because cyberware is what keeps them on par for their missions. If he scales back down, he might not be able to do the jobs the crew needs to do. That's the problem with their lifestyle. Scaling back might mean death while on the job but too much might also be death by MacTec.
probably was early signs for lucy, after all she has at least monowires in her arms and a deep dive port, so even netrunners can be afflicted if they chrome up... good guy jimmy kurosaki warned them all :)
BTW, yes, you CAN downgrade. Bionics are a thing in Cyberpunk, and you CAN get back to a mostly organic body. Maine just...couldn't let himself feel like he was losing his edge. Like A-Train in the Boys. Plus, he was pushing away anyone that disagreed with him. With nothing to ground him, Maine started slipping into psychosis. A hint of things to come...or a warning? Lucy WAS scared...and that thing in the back of her head was a MAJOR clue. Don't worry, it'll get some backstory. Though, that implant is hardwired into the brain. In game, meaning the tabletop, those types of implants are NOT that common, and getting one installed could kill you. Food for thought.
Cyberpunk creator Mike Pondsmith tends to use steroid abuse as a comparison for Cyberpsychosis. A combination of cultural and personal factors contribute to some people being inclined to become addicted and behave in a certain way. It's just psychosis, but centered around technology and the feeling of dehumanization people feel. Some people are more inclined to violent lifestyles and have fewer emotional supports, and they're likely involved in a career based around violence which requires more and more chrome. David Martinez grew up with his mother and was attending a reputable academy, but has been able to adjust to his new life showing he's very resilient. That said in episode 1 he shows he's very defiant and inclined to push himself if he thinks it is what can get things done and also thinks highly of his ability to get around the rules. Some people just get an artificial organ and go Cyberpsycho but retreat from society and become isolated. Most people, however, are able to handle their chrome and hit up Brain Dance therapy centers because some cyberware can be as easy as going to the mall to get your ears pierced.
Cyberpsychosis is just normal psychosis that’s enhanced due to so much chrome enhancing an individual, that’s why I prefer BioWare. The most prevalent thing about cyberware is that more cyberware typically means more of a chance of cyberpsychosis, or specifically, a deep dependency on cyberware. Certain characters have VERY low cyberpsychosis, some have far more like Maine. But members like Johnny silverhand, Morgan black hand, V, most cyberpsychogangs, all have low level cyberpsychos, where they are pretty normal, but slightly off and slightly more violent and prone to acting on the fly
@@mattimeikalainen6963 okay so when it comes to smasher, it’s actually stated by the creator he is a cyberpsycho, just extremely high functioning and violent, from being crazy before getting chromed in the first executive war. The monks in game actually do have cyberware, but the mental issues usually stem from NC and it’s environment. Characters like V are immune to cyberpsychosis due to the effect of the relic and Johnny, but Johnny himself was a high functioning cyberpsycho, who did have violent outbursts rarely, blamed on his alter ego known as the hand. But Morgan blackhand used almost no cyberware besides eye lenses and a sandevistan if I recall, and still was a cyberpsycho, but strangely NOT violent at all, instead his cyberpsychosis essentially made him go on sprees of finishing solo missions without killing. All of this is why I personally prefer BioWare (and it’s hinted in the new update we might be getting some finally!!!) it’s more expensive than most cyberware, but they can all be used together, give complete body enhancements, and are only SLIGHTLY weaker than the BEST legendary cyberware when used all together, and doesn’t cause cyberpsychosis.
Don't know about the game, but when i read up on why david is "special" i thought it's all about the empathy stat. Implants take away the empathy stat and with it they lose humanity. Davids is high, because of growing up with the love and stability from his mother.
@@lukasal91 yeah that’s true! Usually dependency towards liking or needing cyberware like David speeds up the process of cyberpsychosis, essentially any chrome can make cyberpsychosis, though usually the more dependency on it, the more crazy it makes you.
@@pedrohenriquedasilvaroque1085 well Johnny is specifically stated to have his cyberpsycho persona the hand, which he would blame all his bad cyberpsycho outbursts on, coming from Mike himself, and Johnny according to him also said Morgan was “just as crazy, but focused it differently”
Going off from the "forgot to hang up"-part, what's stopping anyone from having touretts on call? Thinking is nowhere near as coherent as speaking. There should be all sorts of immediate thoughts like people bursting into singing "that girl is on fire" after reading "girl on fire" for example.
@@mattimeikalainen6963 Not even just the brain doing all the work unconsciously, but also us actively having all sort of thoughts we ourselfs decide to inhibit from blurting out.
Favorite? Kinda surprising for me. I watched it, but the bad german pronunciation and bad grammar that seemed as if they google translated it all themself instead of having anyone that actually speaks the language working on it made it icky for me throughout. Plus i got bummed out over one of the dubs, don't remember which, using the german word "sensenmann" and missing out on "grimm reapers".
This show is simultaneously the most vibrant and the most bleak television I have ever witnessed.
And also ends up being a beautiful love story
That's kind of the entire point of the Cyberpunk genre lol.
@@SandSlash242 eh I would have prefered they get to space together and get a season 2 with both of them. While sad endings work, I rarely agree with them. irl is already sad enough.
@@Humstuck in that kinda world you kinda expect it anyways
Honestly this is probably one of the best anime episodes I've seen in years...
yea when i seen this it was amazing
This episode is a key reason I consider this series a modern classic
@@kossemoore3342and the contrast with the previous episode of David getting better while in this one Maine gets worse. And the fact he also experiences the jump cuts with us. Shit is pretty genius ngl
@@emancules absolutely and in so many ways mane is just David farther along. Everyone thinks they're special until they're not. Night city takes no prisoners.
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This is the episode that made it go from a pretty good anime to a fuckin *incredible* one to me.
Cyberpsychosis IS treatable, therapy helps and as Dorio said at the start he could go "lite spec" so you can get some cybernetics that put less strain on you. In the game there is a series of quests where you capture cyberpsychos for them to be treated. I think tech in this universe is high enough you could probably get some organs regrown...for a price. Usually though once the symptoms set in the person becomes dangerous and it's hard to get people into treatment before it all goes south.
Cloning and cryogenics are so cheap and efficient that replacing organs and limbs with cloned ones is about the same price as cybernetics. People prefer cybernetics because it goes beyond human capabilities. For example, a cloned limb would be genetically the same "age" as the genetic sample used to create it, in addition to being "only" an human limb, whereas a cybernetic prosthesis comes with props. Also the symptoms of Cyberpsychosis vary from person to person, after all, according to Mike Pondsmith, it is a mixture of dissociation disorder, nervous breakdown and sometimes roid rage.
@@pedrohenriquedasilvaroque1085 Yep. Cyberpsychosis actually is only partially to do with the actual implants. Otherwise all the borged out Corpos would be all going insane. It's just that there's a very clear correlation between the amount of implants you have and how violent a lifestyle you lead and therefore have a much higher liklihood of being traumatized/having tons of mental stress, since like you said, cybernetics let you break pass human limits.
If I remember correctly, Regina asks you to take down cyberpsycho's so that they can look into ways to treat them not necessarily that they already have a way to do it. The game seemed to imply that you can only prevent going full cyberpsycho with meds and therapy not actually treat it after you hit the deep end.
@@gun506 ah ok, guess I missed some details. Good catch
Yeah, cyberpsychosis is, essentially, an alienation of the self; of being human. Therefore there are two ways to avoid ending up a cyberpsycho even with tons of chrome. One is to have something to keep you anchored to your humanity, like a loving and supporting partner or therapy; the other is to just not have a sense of humanity in the first place like Adam Smasher. Ironically, in her efforts to protect David from Arasaka, she ended up more or less killing him, since she wasn't there when he actually needed her to keep him sane.
5:14 it didn’t dawn on me when first watching, but the ice bath does make sense. To net dive must take so much processing power and put so much stress on one’s cybernetics, an ice bath must be the best intervention to prevent overheating.
It’s considered the cheap option in universe. But it’s also a matter of preference for some people. A lot of corpo Netrunner use specialized suits connected to high tech chair-computers that precisely regulate their body temperature. But more systems in use mean more possible incursion points as well for enemy runners.
@@spiraljumper74 very good point. didn’t think about the actual cooling system being another point of entry, an ice bath circumvents that issue entirely
15:48 There is a mission in the game that takes place in that same hospital Gloria was in. Pretty much confirms Marketa's belief.
Marketa accidentally calling Spidey the throat goat is the best thing lmao
They already finished but Faraday is strictly the middleman, he just gets paid by Corps to find someone to do the job to reduce that liability. It's how a lot of millionaires irl make money real quiet like
The hole idea of Faraday is that he thinks he can be more, become an actual corpo with real power and status but he is ultimately as disposable as everyone else.
@@joelsasmad puppet on a string who thinks he controls the string
I loved this episode so much. The sentiment that Maine could still recognize David while full cyberpsycho (when he still couldn’t see Dorio) really shows how much he cared for him.
Actually it was cause Dorio injected him before she got shot
If you watch the music video that they released for the ending song, it shows the story of Maine's crew's previous netrunner who died on a job.
I think the reason that Maine refuses to scale back is that he feels responsible for her death and doesnt want to fail to protect another member of his crew again.
16:44 From what ive heard and read, the shitty release cant be blamed on the developers working on the game being "shit at their jobs". More so the blame falls on the extremely tight and essentially unrealistic deadline they were forced to meet due to the board of investors who run the studio, dying to cash out on such a highly anticipated game. They were doing MILLIONS in pre orders, and the corpo brain profiteers who run the show with their wallets, wanted their return investment lol.
I could be completely wrong, but with everything we know/hear about these types of corporations over working their devs, and forcing them to work under extremely excruciating constraints and deadlines, I'm a firm believer in the idea that this falls on them(the board) just forcing the game out TOO EARLY when it just wasnt ready.
99% of the time is the fault of the higher ups, just think about it, devs usually earn very, VERY little compared to the higher ups, so why would the devs that earn so low want to make a shitty game? Theres no reason, the devs try their max to make the most with what they can, but the higher ups always fuck things up for them
@@VDA19 not the developers fault
In the game, V was packed with way more chrome than David or Maine. By how much chrome implants were in the body, V should've gone cyberpsycho long ago, but CDPR confirmed that the reason why V doesn't go cyberpsycho is because of Johnny being stuck in the head and absorbing all the negative effects of it. Johnny's chip was killing V, but it is also true that Johnny's psyche helped prolong V's lifespan and prevent the effects of cyberpsycosis from taking over.
There's also the fact that V is primarily a video game character, by which I mean he was meant to be OP, breaking the rules of Mike's universe. For example, people made a list of the implants he had before the regalia, and even using the 2020 version rules for status (which goes up to 10) and the red version list for humanity cost per implant, V would be bordering cyberpsychosis since the beginning of the game, even if he had the highest possible empathy value.
@@pedrohenriquedasilvaroque1085 True, but it is also a fact that they're in 2077. Techs and implants in 2077 won't be the same as those in 2020 and other games. In due time, things could get updated and improved to make it more tolerable to people... like how cars went from 10mph in 1886 to 300+ mph in the present day. I'm pretty sure that the implants in 2077 would be more tolerable due to better technology than the obsolete predecessors of 2020.
But then again... like you said, he's the protagonist and was made to be the greatest and strongest merc of Night City. So it could be either of it.
@@hrthusagar Red takes place in 2045. It is most the last one since cybercykosis, being canonically a mixture of dissociation and mental breakdown, has more to do with the individual's psychology than with the technology itself. A proof of this is that the first cases of cyberpsychosis in the Cyberpunk world occurred in people with simple implants and/or artificial organs, due to the horrible situations of life and working conditions. Cyberpsychosis was further explored in the new rulebook, as well as what causes you to lose humanity, in the case of cybernetics it is more the act of putting cybernetics than the technology itself that costs humanity, as the person is willingly removing a fully functional part of itself and replacing it with cybernetics.
Maines chrome is way more extensive than v's. Compare him running at the start to his huge cyber body. V just looks the same. Meanwhile full cyborg replacements arent uncommon in the setting
I love how y’all were just… staring flabbergasted at the end there lol. This episode really get you like that. Easily one of the best anime episodes of 2022, and maybe ever.
Only reaction I've seen, where someone realizes that Dorio got hit from behind the head... it took awhile to get here.
If y'all watch one of the last scenes closely, the road that Maine was walking on, he stops at a certain point and never makes it ahead. And so he knew his time would be up sooner or later (his end of the road metaphorically,) but you see him watch David go ahead, farther than he ever could, and he was proud of the fact.
Sad thing is that he couldn't downgrade since he's the team muscle and that would render the team weak in certain aspects.
This is where IT begins.
Oh yeah the moment everything starts falling apart.
This episode is amazing.
This anime is amazing
Mike Pondsmith has likened Cyberpsychosis to Roid Rage; after a point you get addicted to the feeling of getting stronger and don't want to go back.
Edit: had misspelled likened
As someone who has experienced roid rage it sucks and i can get the addiction to it as well. Luckily for me i got away from it
I believe that the game says (in the Regina missions for cyberpsychos) that cyberpsychosis is the product of the combination of (mostly) mental trauma and (partially) the cyber implants, so while getting a bunch of implants does not do you any good, it is mainly the mental toll of trauma that seals your fate.
As I understand it, it has to do with a perceived loss of humanity and a lack of support. As people replace bits of themselves with machines, they can start to see themselves as not quite human. If they don't have a network of friends and family to help them, they can start to lose touch with their own sense of self, eventually leading to cyberpsychosis. Because most cyberpsychos are people who are heavily augmented, they tend to be very hard to subdue without killing them, and they tend to be violent. However, in the rare case that a cyberpsycho is taken alive, therapy and removal of the cybernetics can help bring them back to some semblance of normalcy. People at risk of cyberpsychosis and without anyone to lean on can see therapists to help keep them grounded and sane, but many don't know or care to sake out help.
@@pollin522 Realistically "cyberpsychosis" is likely a term created by the executives running these massive corporations as a means of removing blame from their involvement and also further dehumanizing the populations. It's most likely just a mental break due to extreme situations combined with a loss of self and a lack of a support system. However, due to the augmentations these people put their bodies under its increasingly more dangerous to have a mental break, since you pose an immediate threat being a walking bio-weapon. If you call these people cyber-psychos, you're further denying their humanity, reducing them to a bunch of augmented parts. I mean what human wouldn't break putting their mom into a vending machine for their ashes?
Shoutout to the editor for handling the gory scenes that was preem my choom! 👏
Mickey's faces killing me throughout the entire scene of him dying lmfao. Amazing episode though, happy to see y'all's reaction to it
Game is amazing the developers fixed most of the issues from the terrible launch and its definitely one of my favorites already, it was just so ambitious it needed more time in the oven but what we have today is incredible
05:20 "Is getting naked a requirement?"
I mean, if you gonna get into a icebath and then need to get out would you not like to have dry clothes for after?
The sad thing about the whole situation Main is in is that Cyberpsychosis is treatable and reversible. High stress, low emotional support, lose of "self" from augmenting and changing your body too much are the contributing factors. But scale down and retire? That just aint Main. He is the team leader, that means he got to take care of everyone. That means he got to be at peak performance and always be the best. Just look at his arm. Not only does he have Gorilla Arms, but he fits in projectile system there as well just to be extra.
17:11 "Keanu is a AI"
He is a digital construct, or Engram, of a persons mind. Taken by force and stored digitally. Like downloading someones mind on a CD.
Spoilers for Gloria
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It is not stated in the show, but the hospital she goes to exists in the game. It is used by Militech to perform human experiments should they want to.. So yeah, 95% chance she was killed due to them running some test on her. But honestly, knowing Night City it is a very real possibility that she was dead right there on the highway and they just pretended she was alive so they could charge David money for "treating" her.
Fast is what you do best aint it? broooooooo
That was definitely a bar
EMOTIONAL DAMAGE!
This episode is like watching cyberpunk anime from the 90s. It's on another level from anime nowadays.
3:45 Sorta. You can get cloned flesh attached to you to replace some of what you've lost, but it is expensive and limited. Aside from that you can have your stuff replaced with medical grade cyberware. Basically prosthetic made of medical plastic that is way less harsh on your body.
In universe, cloning and cryogenics are so cheap and efficient that replacing organs and limbs with cloned ones is about the same price as cybernetics. People prefer cybernetics because it goes beyond human capabilities. For example, a cloned limb would be genetically the same "age" as the genetic sample used to create it, in addition to being "only" an human limb, whereas a cybernetic prosthesis comes with props
There's a music video for the end credits song called "Let You Down" that acts as a prequel to the show. You meet a former crew member and see what some think is why Maine keeps chroming more which leads to this. Absolutely amazing song and beautiful video. Can watch it now without spoiling anything but avoid the other, "I Really Want To Stay At Your House," until you finish the show as that has HUUUGE spoilers.
I recently realized that cyber psychosis in cyberpunk is equatable to insanity in Call of Cthulhu, another tabletop franchise.
You encounter enough horrors (unknown ancient abominations in Cthulhu’s case, capitalism run rampant in cyberpunk’s case) you lose touch with your humanity because that’s the only way to process what you’ve been thru
Frenzy in Vampire: The Masquerade as well. Nice way to keep players for getting too overpowered.
This episode onward is where it goes from incredible anime to anime of the year
Falco, the guy who knocked Maine out, took Kiwi to a ripper.
Episode 6 is easily one of the best things I’ve ever seen along with that Arcane episode 3 and Game of Thrones Battle of the Bastards
Here we go, once again sandevastaded
I think Maines's story is more about the body dysmorphia a lot bodybuilders exhibit, and all the cybernetic implants are analogous to steroid usage
yeh, steroid addiction, can't go back because you can't function without it. in this case with the added caviat that downgrading hardware means being weaker in a world that doesn't forgive weakness, and where you are responsible for ppl.
This show is freaking wild
Trauma Team really pulled that, "This is now a NOT ME problem!"
Easily the best episode of this show.
Me after the most minor inconvenience: 12:15
16:50 So apparently around when Edgerunners came out they released a massive update to the game and combined with mods the game is actuality way better compared to when it was released. Plus the DLC that’s going to be released
Zach Aguilar really did deserve the award for this role. First time watching the show I really felt like David was a real person with genuine reactions most the time. It was also really cool to see the voice of our sweet Tanjiro say some out of pocket shit, and who can forget him saying "IM BUILT DIFFERENT" 🦾
Lucy flatlined Tanaka to make sure the info about David being a POI to Arasaka doesn't get leaked. That caused Trauma Team to blast through the door with NCPD and eventually got Dorio and Maine smoked.
Sooooooo, now you understand the difference between "mostly dead" (JK) and "all the way dead" (Tanaka). Even Trauma Team has limits on their services.
"Client has Flatlined, contract is void. We're outta here!"
The edge is there for everyone, creeping up behind you, the faster you run, the faster it closes in on you till your footfalls land on nothing.....
Do what you do best David.
Lucy saw SOMETHING in that data, and now it is just ON.....
Wrong Gungan Thunder.... EVERY bodymod is an option. Wings been around for decades choom.
Y’all aint seen nothin yet (well technically you guys already finished this but you get it)
If jumping to conclusions was a person it would be Mickey
She really said, "Doktor! Turn off my gag inhibiitors!"
13:11 that the sandevistated look
Last episode we see of normal David...😮💨 It hurts knowing how much worse it gets for him and the crew
The end truly is nigh. Such an amazing series
Lucy killed Tanaka, she freaked out when she saw the file on David and tried to head off future trouble.
Best episode of 2022
I think the reason Maine doesn't want to downgrade is because cyberware is what keeps them on par for their missions. If he scales back down, he might not be able to do the jobs the crew needs to do. That's the problem with their lifestyle. Scaling back might mean death while on the job but too much might also be death by MacTec.
Didn’t expect much as there wasn’t really any hype about it but then it turned out to be one of the best anime of 2022
Test of the value of your soul isn't how you live, it's how you die...
Best episode of any anime shiiiit
That’s what happened when someone turns Cyberpsycho.
Great reaction! This episode hurt!
The let you down music video shows you what happened to someone in the group before david
probably was early signs for lucy, after all she has at least monowires in her arms and a deep dive port, so even netrunners can be afflicted if they chrome up... good guy jimmy kurosaki warned them all :)
BTW, yes, you CAN downgrade. Bionics are a thing in Cyberpunk, and you CAN get back to a mostly organic body. Maine just...couldn't let himself feel like he was losing his edge. Like A-Train in the Boys. Plus, he was pushing away anyone that disagreed with him. With nothing to ground him, Maine started slipping into psychosis. A hint of things to come...or a warning? Lucy WAS scared...and that thing in the back of her head was a MAJOR clue. Don't worry, it'll get some backstory. Though, that implant is hardwired into the brain. In game, meaning the tabletop, those types of implants are NOT that common, and getting one installed could kill you. Food for thought.
Trauma
you can play the game now though if you want to experience it you will play it and i think it's fixed!
Cyberpunk creator Mike Pondsmith tends to use steroid abuse as a comparison for Cyberpsychosis. A combination of cultural and personal factors contribute to some people being inclined to become addicted and behave in a certain way. It's just psychosis, but centered around technology and the feeling of dehumanization people feel. Some people are more inclined to violent lifestyles and have fewer emotional supports, and they're likely involved in a career based around violence which requires more and more chrome. David Martinez grew up with his mother and was attending a reputable academy, but has been able to adjust to his new life showing he's very resilient. That said in episode 1 he shows he's very defiant and inclined to push himself if he thinks it is what can get things done and also thinks highly of his ability to get around the rules. Some people just get an artificial organ and go Cyberpsycho but retreat from society and become isolated. Most people, however, are able to handle their chrome and hit up Brain Dance therapy centers because some cyberware can be as easy as going to the mall to get your ears pierced.
Godlike episode in anime in general
Everything is fine.
Just fyi, this episode isn't included in the playlist. Thanks for the reactions.
night city is actually built on top of l.a funny enough
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Cyberpsychosis is just normal psychosis that’s enhanced due to so much chrome enhancing an individual, that’s why I prefer BioWare. The most prevalent thing about cyberware is that more cyberware typically means more of a chance of cyberpsychosis, or specifically, a deep dependency on cyberware. Certain characters have VERY low cyberpsychosis, some have far more like Maine. But members like Johnny silverhand, Morgan black hand, V, most cyberpsychogangs, all have low level cyberpsychos, where they are pretty normal, but slightly off and slightly more violent and prone to acting on the fly
@@mattimeikalainen6963 okay so when it comes to smasher, it’s actually stated by the creator he is a cyberpsycho, just extremely high functioning and violent, from being crazy before getting chromed in the first executive war.
The monks in game actually do have cyberware, but the mental issues usually stem from NC and it’s environment. Characters like V are immune to cyberpsychosis due to the effect of the relic and Johnny, but Johnny himself was a high functioning cyberpsycho, who did have violent outbursts rarely, blamed on his alter ego known as the hand. But Morgan blackhand used almost no cyberware besides eye lenses and a sandevistan if I recall, and still was a cyberpsycho, but strangely NOT violent at all, instead his cyberpsychosis essentially made him go on sprees of finishing solo missions without killing.
All of this is why I personally prefer BioWare (and it’s hinted in the new update we might be getting some finally!!!) it’s more expensive than most cyberware, but they can all be used together, give complete body enhancements, and are only SLIGHTLY weaker than the BEST legendary cyberware when used all together, and doesn’t cause cyberpsychosis.
Don't know about the game, but when i read up on why david is "special" i thought it's all about the empathy stat. Implants take away the empathy stat and with it they lose humanity. Davids is high, because of growing up with the love and stability from his mother.
@@lukasal91 yeah that’s true! Usually dependency towards liking or needing cyberware like David speeds up the process of cyberpsychosis, essentially any chrome can make cyberpsychosis, though usually the more dependency on it, the more crazy it makes you.
Where did you get that Morgan and Johnny have low-level Cyberpsychosis?
@@pedrohenriquedasilvaroque1085 well Johnny is specifically stated to have his cyberpsycho persona the hand, which he would blame all his bad cyberpsycho outbursts on, coming from Mike himself, and Johnny according to him also said Morgan was “just as crazy, but focused it differently”
BRO MY HEART
The game is pretty good at this point
So unique!
Going off from the "forgot to hang up"-part, what's stopping anyone from having touretts on call? Thinking is nowhere near as coherent as speaking. There should be all sorts of immediate thoughts like people bursting into singing "that girl is on fire" after reading "girl on fire" for example.
@@mattimeikalainen6963 Not even just the brain doing all the work unconsciously, but also us actively having all sort of thoughts we ourselfs decide to inhibit from blurting out.
this mess my fault?
Please watch Grimm on prime video. My favorite show of all time.
Favorite? Kinda surprising for me. I watched it, but the bad german pronunciation and bad grammar that seemed as if they google translated it all themself instead of having anyone that actually speaks the language working on it made it icky for me throughout.
Plus i got bummed out over one of the dubs, don't remember which, using the german word "sensenmann" and missing out on "grimm reapers".
RWBY episode 2/3 reactions?
Indian tv show reactions?
Spare them the second hand embarrassment and cringe experience.
@@hrthusagar haha some are good bro 😂
Please react to the new music video TQG Shakira ft. Karol G
Anime of the year bebeh!
CYBERKEANUOSIS is the new cyberpsychosis
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