Wow. I am an IT engineer and we had a topic in our curriculum that covered such electronics, radio and data transmission stuff. I would really be interested in knowing how such stuff work in detail.
@@LtdJorge many c2 and video links are capable of 100 miles. I've only pushed it to 25 miles but it was with less than 500mw transmit on 915mhz and ~1w on 5.8ghz output from the UAS. Go take a look at expressLRS 915mhz. With VLOS, you should be able to send commands (at a low rate, of course) of 100 miles or more.
It's a great price. DJI are basically trying to take on Teradek with this. Teradek are fairly decent, but cost a lot more. For example the Teradek Bolt 4K 12G-SDI MAX set which can transmit up to 3,000ft (5,000ft with array antenna) costs almost $15k. Some reserved channel setups from other manufacturers can cost way more. I've used Teradek loads for professional video work and they work fairly well. These DJI ones seem interesting though.
When you take even the most introverted person, and get them to talk about something they're passionate about. ...Actually that happens a lot with LMG. I'm sure that's one of the factors of their success.
Just for clarity, an industry standard setup that does all of that (camera control, follow focus, video transmission, and a 7" screen) can EASILY be $15-20k
Just for more clarity, the compact size, weight, and quality for comparison does not exist either. The kind of industry hardware at that quality you are referring to is a massive more amount of hardware in comparison. DJI has really made something special you can bet large movie studios are definitely using right now.
@@sqlevolicious Look at Wavecentral, Domo and Cobham. The DJI toy is cute but it doesn't compare to a robust COFDM system. It may take on the Teradek Bolt and Amimon. But, it won't replace our high end systems.
Some people have gotten over 11km on their mavic 2 drones with direct line of sight, I saw one flight over hong kong get the 11km figure on youtube flying over all the houses at night time. That is a drone though so it has the advantage of just going as far as you can with excellent perfect line of sight the entire way with absolutely no obstructions whatsoever
@@BOTGRINDER Is that just in the US? I thought I read somewhere that there are firmware limits on dji drones sold in the US so that they arent capable of breaking any radio transmission laws, I dont think dji drones sold in other countries have any firmware limiting, but I may be wrong.
I'm sure some of them do (the writers/developers/etc). It was funny to see Andy jump up and down excited because he's a camera-man... The idea of him working from home, remotely controlling the cameras they use for productions like this is the joke. :)
I think they should spend a month in a typical work environment before they know how easy they have it… they get to be professional and driven as a teenager lol
@@Ghostrider-xv9rj it's decent. Pretty good beginner dji drone. It lacks and obstacle avoidance, besides below it, and the camera is pretty good for its size. Don't expect it to match a mavic pro 2, but it is capable of some decent stuff
This is one of the best LTT videos I've had the pleasure of watching in a long time. Love seeing passionate people play with cutting edge toys (Andy/Alex)
Seeing Linus unleash a pack of passionate nerds into the world is my favorite part of LTT. Everyone brings a ton of excitement and energy into what they're into in such a fun-loving environment. Trusting your employees is 1,000% paying off.
It's just a shame that in my experience the range waa realistically closer to 800m, not 6km. Furthest I got a picture was 2km and was a choppy experience to work with in a professional environment.
Yeah that's what got my attention. DJI are notorious for being very closed off over on the drone side of things so that was actually super surprising to me.
Red DOES let you use third party batteries. In fact, they have for almost 3 years now. The Komodo and V-Raptor both use standard media and standard batteries.
While I am likely correct that LTT did more testing with the truck and the antennas so I don't want to call you all out, simply taping them to the truck is a basically blocking the antennas transmit behind metal on 3 sides. Given that DJI is relying on LOS, you may find better reception by giving the antenna unobstructed views using either a cb/ham radio style mount to the window (putting it above the roof line) or getting a mount that puts it elevated off the trucks gate/bumper with a mount. either way should offer significantly better LOS performance then a few tens of meters . great to see these things being played with and tested though. soon you'll see a whole new level of LTT snazziness in video production levels for car reviews.
I agree, they clearly have no experience with antennas. Geometry is everything, you can't just tape them in a clump at random angles and call it good. If there are four antennas they are probably trying to do a phased array and need to be parallel and a specific distance apart.
Mind, that does test a real world possibility of people buying this possibly not having knowledge of antennas themselves and similarly don't optimize or even hinder their antenna placement.
"Phased Array" ? Could be - I was assuming diversity, which mean spacing them apart would work better, but given the secret custom silicon they use, you're probably right - tell you what DJI, howsabout send me one to solve the mystery...? ;)
"The Ultimate WFH Setup" might be cool with this. See how much of the entire video can be done remotely, use this for the camera person, robot arms for a reviewer etc
Given the signal is still holding despite trees in the way, that is incredible! I used to do FPV drones and you would be amazed at how well bushes and trees can block a signal despite looking really hollow. For the price, that is incredible! Also, Andy is like Dennis's chill sibling!
@@djSpinege yeah I think they are constantly making their software better. But since this one has different hardware I'm pretty sure it does better compressing.
@@barnett25 DJI didn't claim anything as far as I know. It was just assumed that for OcuSync to work, they'd have to have their own ASIC. Turns out that assumption was wrong.
@@barnett25 Brother, do you know how expensive actual custom silicon is? There is no way even DJI has the production scale to make custom silicon viable
I have to say, even though I have little interest in video equipment, this type of comprehensive and passionate content is what I subscribe to LTT for :)
Just a radio QOL tip. At least for 50ohm cables you can get thin enough coax that you can (carefully) close a car door on it without squishing the cable. You can have your RF performance and keep your AC/heat too.
@@Baka_Oppai it’s actually a pretty big deal that DJI have made a good wireless transmitter for cinema cameras. Teradek are expensive. This is more affordable for indie film or low end owner operators.
@@Baka_Oppai A drone is hundreds to thousands of feet in the air. Makes signal/line of sight a lot less of a problem. There is no wifi interference at 10,000 feet. 6.9 mile video broadcasting for consumers on the ground is insane.
A recent discovery in the fpv community, is that DJI actually did not develop their own silicon. It is a Artosyn (thank you BiB FPV) chip I believe is the name of the company. And now other vendors are jumping on the band wagon.
Good. Would rather support a company outside of China given their ethical violations and security risks. Edit: Thanks for the info Paul. Hopefully they are a more ethical company than DJI.
The crew would benefit from looking into antenna gain patterns... Higher gain doesn't always mean more better. Just means the signal is going out the side of the antenna more than the top and bottom. To illustrate at 21:19 Alex is holding his radio parallel to the ground. I suspect the antenna on it isn't high gain so you might not notice it as much as on a higher gain but if it was the signal would be strongest going above and below him as well as in front and behind. To his left and right would suffer
Yeah I wondered that if two of them were vertical and the other two horizontal. Surely having all 4 in the same orientation would hurt bandwidth as you'd be unable to differentiate between TX/RX of opposite pairs. I'm not an RF tech so i'm not sure but i'd love to know
Another reason not to include the cables with the high gain antennas is the feedloss from the cables, especially if you are testing max connectivity distance.
Line of sight doesn't mean what they think it means, fresnel zone scales up as you go lower in frequency. What is line of sight in the visible spectrum isn't line of sight in ISM band. I'd say that just raising the antenna above the fresnel radius should offset all the losses they might see for a cable like that.
@@nulious I've got to imagine they're carefully impedance matched & the losses are very small in that case. This isn't rg6 with some ends crimped on it; length & terminations are very particular then I'm sure they're tested thoroughly.
If I may, I'd just add 2 points: To get the best of range and bit rate, they use the 2.4 GHz band and usually devices use Phased Arrays to enhance the signal (SNR, SIR). It did look like MIMO solution. 1. So, to maintain optimal link conditions, one shouldn't place the antennas without careful consideration of the alignment (space separation between the antennas) relative to the Wavelength. Manufacturers don't place the antennas at arbitrary locations relative to each other. Although, they do have to compromise for dual-band and imperfect Polarization support. 2. Adding matched cables will minimize reflection loss, but will also reduce the SNR. Higher gain Antenna or narrower band will have to cover for that loss.
Glad to see a bit better Antenna placement! This game is All About those antennas , and having them crammed together and taped was killing the signal. The polarity is also important, especially with High gain antennas which have a thinner plane of transmission, which is how they achieve the longer distance
So this will be great for video/ film style shoots. However, I keep seeing people wanting to use this for live streaming sports lol. I've seen companies try a teradek in stadiums, it doesn't work nearly as intended. You need microwave transmission & receiving, and a licensed frequency. The more bodies in a place, the more interference you'll get, especially with how many devices run on 2.4 GHz in venues (Point of sales systems are one of them lol).
@@sven957 I'd assume so? But we'd need to get our hands on it and see. I just wouldn't look at it as a primary tool for broadcasting live events. It may be great for secondary disposable cameras where if its working, amazing, if not its just a luxury. Like at sporting events when they get a drone to do venue aerial shots... They tend to sit in a parking lot away from all the potential interference. Then broadcast runs them tac fiber to receive the feed. Whenever they use a teredek (also a 5km rated system lol) in the venue, the signal breakdown is super inconsistent and unpredictable.
@@akyhne There are lots of systems that do that as well. But the real issue is what is in the air of your location. Once the public rolls in, stuff gets messy because you cannot control the airspace
6.9km of almost LoS video transmission is just wild. The simple fact that it's working at all past 6km, even at that bitrate, which you can definitely still use in a pinch, that's just amazing.
6:39 If you pause and advance frame-by-frame, you can see that Mario jumps 2 frames later on the DJI screen compared to the monitor, meaning that the latency difference between the two is somewhere between 33-66 ms. So that 60-100 ms latency figure checks out.
Yep was going to comment something similar after measuring myself at a few different places, did not see a single instance where the difference was 3 frames, meaning it was almost certainly less than 100ms, probably very close to 60-70.
Alex, don't devalue yourself, you're talent too. Can't wait for the video where Linus does a Let's Play of SMW. That needs to be a video, even if it's a couple of hours long.
This is a really well engineered product for a very good price! I wish DJI would make some special stands that you can easily attach to something of even wear for the antennae. It’s also strange that it uses 2.4/5Ghz, as 802.11ad is a thing and there’s even a sub 1Ghz 802.11 amendment that I don’t quite recall the designation for that should be able to transmit even further with less interference (laws of physics, lower frequencies have shorter wavelengths and will always travel further).
Wow, what a great product at such a great price. Fantastic video as well, everyone was so energetic and engaged. Andy, Alex, and Linus were just having a blast with this one. Looking forward to the future of the car reviews on these channels. You've all done such a great job for just getting into the genre.
I fly numerous DJI drones and their FPV system is second to none. It’s truly an amazing experience and slapping a go pro on a 5” 6s FPV drone will get you AMAZING shots.
Dji changed the game in fpv drones too. Their system is really good. I've never lost a video connection, even flying in abandoned brick and concrete buildings.
We had tech like this in the military at least 15 years ago. Granted it was far lower quality and made for jets and ground teams calling in air strikes... But we could see what the jet was pointed at from several miles away with stuff like this at a nice 320x200. It saved a lot of lives, being able to confirm targets.
I was thinking this seemed like repurposed military tech, because I couldn't think of anyone else that'd need video signal from that far away until someone mentioned film crew for movies
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Linus id like to see a future device like this that sends ultra clear video over a much greater distance, not so much caring about the latency. On a mission to video the Great Artesian Basin
Great video! You should've maybe tried a 360 camera stream being transmitted into the remote and then into a VR headset - would be fun to see how well it works
I’m guessing Andy’s camera in the car the same camera set up used for car videos on ShortCircuit. But regarding the actual device, it could be great for sharing videos or calls between the LMG buildings.
That's very impressive, and great to see Andy on the camera as well! I'm no radio pro or anything but would it help you if you maybe laser cut a metal mount for the antennas to keep them with a little space between them and provide a groundplane?
For a second there, I thought when he was talking about 'strapping on' extra cooling, 'and some other things' , it was going to be a transition "And speaking of strap-ons, lets thank today's sponsor ....."
you should try testing this with a local television station… or, what if one person is in a helicopter or plane so you can get into remote areas… ex: disaster monitoring.
I wonder how the radio spectrum licensing (country specific requirements) will work out. Curious because of the mentioning of congested WiFi and mobile phone frequencies potential to disrupt the communication between the camera and operator unit. Then the combination of antenna types used with the transmitters. What is the total estimated radiated power (ERP)?
@@jannesdiederik4572 that's what I'm using now. But even with the best wifi gear I get dropped frames and freezes sometimes if the devices are a distance apart. The dji's approach to never drop a frame and rather lower the quality is also better for gaming.
I'm very happy to see that DJI knows how important fixed latency is. For fast FPV drones that's one of the biggest problems of HD video links next to video quality and of course latency itself.
I'm not a feed transmission engineer but how tough would it be to just offer both options where u can just either choose to keep latency low or choose to keep quality high I'm not sure why they can't just have a switch fr that
Problem with the car passanger seat connection probably was that at a race track there's nothing for the signal to bounce from. Even trees are enough but there has to be something as the car's metal prevents a direct link. I've had the same problem with wireless earbuds when I had my phone in my pocket and I was walking on the shoreline. It kept disconnecting the earbud on the water's side. The other side had buildings and trees. When I turned around the other earbud kept disconnecting. My body was blocking a good direct link.
I almost didn't watch the video due to the nicheness of the product but it got interesting about halfway through and the testing towards the end was great. Beautiful BC scenary!
Dang, impressive! DJI you better give these guys all the gear and more... these guys just made you some bank! This is how you sell a product. Well done!
The first thing I thought of was that video recently about mounting an mp5 onto a robot dog. Their main problem was that the gopro behind the sight to see the target would cut out if there was ANY kind of wall in between the monitor and the GoPro itself. It seems implausible that someone would spend thousands of thousands of dollars just to commit a violent act rather than just using a rifle, but it’s becoming more and more possible for a civilian to do it. Crazy stuff.
I used to make radios that sent video from drones over 100 miles away. Those radios cost $48k a unit. The ground station was $110k.
@@humble2246 yup. In PAL. We did stuff in H.264 too
Wow. I am an IT engineer and we had a topic in our curriculum that covered such electronics, radio and data transmission stuff. I would really be interested in knowing how such stuff work in detail.
@@billyhart3299 but only one way, right? Or did it also control the camera remotely?
@@LtdJorge many c2 and video links are capable of 100 miles. I've only pushed it to 25 miles but it was with less than 500mw transmit on 915mhz and ~1w on 5.8ghz output from the UAS. Go take a look at expressLRS 915mhz. With VLOS, you should be able to send commands (at a low rate, of course) of 100 miles or more.
Now make a drone that can get a decent pic of a UFO
Honestly, $2,500 for a system that can transmit a crystal clear video feed from 7 km away is not a bad price.
Ukraine agree!
It's a great price.
DJI are basically trying to take on Teradek with this. Teradek are fairly decent, but cost a lot more. For example the Teradek Bolt 4K 12G-SDI MAX set which can transmit up to 3,000ft (5,000ft with array antenna) costs almost $15k. Some reserved channel setups from other manufacturers can cost way more.
I've used Teradek loads for professional video work and they work fairly well. These DJI ones seem interesting though.
Well "crystal clear" is a stretch, but yeah it is a good price
6.9 bro, gotta get your numbers right😉
@@rishavchakravarty3577 Nice.
Andy did a great job hosting this one. He seemed super excited the whole time, hopefully he hosts more in the future!
agreed! Andy seemed very much in his element here!
When you take even the most introverted person, and get them to talk about something they're passionate about.
...Actually that happens a lot with LMG. I'm sure that's one of the factors of their success.
meh didnt feel it, hes difficult to understand and doesnt have an exciting voice at all
@@RICHY3_ i mean thats how introverts basically are
@@RICHY3_ You must be blind
Just for clarity, an industry standard setup that does all of that (camera control, follow focus, video transmission, and a 7" screen) can EASILY be $15-20k
Just for more clarity, the compact size, weight, and quality for comparison does not exist either. The kind of industry hardware at that quality you are referring to is a massive more amount of hardware in comparison. DJI has really made something special you can bet large movie studios are definitely using right now.
15$ doesn't sound too bad!
Just for clarity, this is a sponsored video and everything that Linus or you say I will take with the biggest pinch of salt imaginable!
@@sqlevolicious Look at Wavecentral, Domo and Cobham. The DJI toy is cute but it doesn't compare to a robust COFDM system. It may take on the Teradek Bolt and Amimon. But, it won't replace our high end systems.
holy sh**.
Some people have gotten over 11km on their mavic 2 drones with direct line of sight, I saw one flight over hong kong get the 11km figure on youtube flying over all the houses at night time. That is a drone though so it has the advantage of just going as far as you can with excellent perfect line of sight the entire way with absolutely no obstructions whatsoever
Hello desinc, how ya doin mate?
How does the Battery, last that long? He needs tp turn back the whole way.
that has to be with hacked firmware right? dji fpv is capped at 4km
@@BOTGRINDER Is that just in the US? I thought I read somewhere that there are firmware limits on dji drones sold in the US so that they arent capable of breaking any radio transmission laws, I dont think dji drones sold in other countries have any firmware limiting, but I may be wrong.
@@conorstewart2214 yes dji in the states has geo fencing.
Linus' employees will do anything to be able to work at home at this point.
Not anymore 🤣💯 Y'ALL are FIRED 😎👌👁👂💪💥
I'm sure some of them do (the writers/developers/etc). It was funny to see Andy jump up and down excited because he's a camera-man... The idea of him working from home, remotely controlling the cameras they use for productions like this is the joke. :)
I'd like to think differently. I think basically, DJI sponsered this video and LTT and Linus to fire Andy.
@DONT READ MY PROFILE PICTURE stupid bots
I think they should spend a month in a typical work environment before they know how easy they have it… they get to be professional and driven as a teenager lol
Camera guy: "Auto locking gimbals!"
Other camera guy: "WOOOOOO!"
Linus: "Ok I guess."
Linus was low key managing expectations in case he has to deny the request to buy one.
Nothing from DJI ever feels cheap. Even their 249g drones feel quality as heck. Love their products.
dji mini
I got a DJI mini SE. hope it arrives soon.
They make drones, so a video transmitter isn’t a big surprise
@@ariesleo7396 is the mini se good
@@Ghostrider-xv9rj it's decent. Pretty good beginner dji drone. It lacks and obstacle avoidance, besides below it, and the camera is pretty good for its size. Don't expect it to match a mavic pro 2, but it is capable of some decent stuff
This is one of the best LTT videos I've had the pleasure of watching in a long time. Love seeing passionate people play with cutting edge toys (Andy/Alex)
Seeing Linus unleash a pack of passionate nerds into the world is my favorite part of LTT. Everyone brings a ton of excitement and energy into what they're into in such a fun-loving environment. Trusting your employees is 1,000% paying off.
Are you saying Andy/Alex are examples of cutting edge toys?
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It's just a shame that in my experience the range waa realistically closer to 800m, not 6km.
Furthest I got a picture was 2km and was a choppy experience to work with in a professional environment.
My favorite thing is how open they kept the system. Imagine Red letting you 3rd party batteries? Ridiculous!
But thats necessary in order to be useful.
Yeah that's what got my attention. DJI are notorious for being very closed off over on the drone side of things so that was actually super surprising to me.
"Open" for more money I would say
Red doesn't even have first party batteries
Red DOES let you use third party batteries. In fact, they have for almost 3 years now. The Komodo and V-Raptor both use standard media and standard batteries.
Theory: every time Colton gets fired he gets rehired with a 2% pay bump.
Indeed 🤔💯
Whenever it reaches 100% it goes back down to 0 lol
why was he fired?
@@MrBitsy content
He's the nelson Bighetti of LMG
Ah the return of the series that I'm never gonna buy, be able to afford or need anything from but still watch.
Noone on earth needs this
I agree
It's an interesting use case and I'm all about absorbing new information.
That's the point?
Just start a business then
While I am likely correct that LTT did more testing with the truck and the antennas so I don't want to call you all out, simply taping them to the truck is a basically blocking the antennas transmit behind metal on 3 sides. Given that DJI is relying on LOS, you may find better reception by giving the antenna unobstructed views using either a cb/ham radio style mount to the window (putting it above the roof line) or getting a mount that puts it elevated off the trucks gate/bumper with a mount. either way should offer significantly better LOS performance then a few tens of meters .
great to see these things being played with and tested though. soon you'll see a whole new level of LTT snazziness in video production levels for car reviews.
They said that got from 100m to 3km while using the truck on the second location (farm area). So yeah, they firmware really improved on it
I agree, they clearly have no experience with antennas. Geometry is everything, you can't just tape them in a clump at random angles and call it good. If there are four antennas they are probably trying to do a phased array and need to be parallel and a specific distance apart.
Mind, that does test a real world possibility of people buying this possibly not having knowledge of antennas themselves and similarly don't optimize or even hinder their antenna placement.
Car reviews?
"Phased Array" ? Could be - I was assuming diversity, which mean spacing them apart would work better, but given the secret custom silicon they use, you're probably right - tell you what DJI, howsabout send me one to solve the mystery...? ;)
"I'm getting one for gaming"
"Let's not get ahead of ourselves"
We've seen his collection, I don't think he's kidding.
"The Ultimate WFH Setup" might be cool with this. See how much of the entire video can be done remotely, use this for the camera person, robot arms for a reviewer etc
Given the signal is still holding despite trees in the way, that is incredible! I used to do FPV drones and you would be amazed at how well bushes and trees can block a signal despite looking really hollow. For the price, that is incredible!
Also, Andy is like Dennis's chill sibling!
this is exactly the same HD as the air unit but in a high power ground station.
As someone who lives in a hilly area with a lots of trees.. It doesn't take much too lose a connection lol
@@djSpinege yeah I think they are constantly making their software better. But since this one has different hardware I'm pretty sure it does better compressing.
It was NOT their own Silicon as we originally thought. It is a chip made by Artosyn with some slight modifications for DJI.
Usually the case when a company says custom silicon, they've just asked for some tweaks to another company's product 😂
@@barnett25 DJI didn't claim anything as far as I know. It was just assumed that for OcuSync to work, they'd have to have their own ASIC. Turns out that assumption was wrong.
How you feel about what they did to the Ukrainians
@@barnett25 Brother, do you know how expensive actual custom silicon is? There is no way even DJI has the production scale to make custom silicon viable
I have to say, even though I have little interest in video equipment, this type of comprehensive and passionate content is what I subscribe to LTT for :)
What a fantastic staff you have Linus! Everyone is so full of life and ambition! You all motivate me to be my better self!
Just a radio QOL tip. At least for 50ohm cables you can get thin enough coax that you can (carefully) close a car door on it without squishing the cable. You can have your RF performance and keep your AC/heat too.
thought this was going to be a drone 20k feet away but then I remembered they can already do that
lol ikr wtf is this video?
@@Baka_Oppai it’s actually a pretty big deal that DJI have made a good wireless transmitter for cinema cameras. Teradek are expensive. This is more affordable for indie film or low end owner operators.
Yeah but I doubt they'd sponsor a video just to show what has been proven in Ukraine already
@@Baka_Oppai A drone is hundreds to thousands of feet in the air. Makes signal/line of sight a lot less of a problem. There is no wifi interference at 10,000 feet. 6.9 mile video broadcasting for consumers on the ground is insane.
@DONT READ MY PROFILE PICTURE be gone!
A recent discovery in the fpv community, is that DJI actually did not develop their own silicon. It is a Artosyn (thank you BiB FPV) chip I believe is the name of the company. And now other vendors are jumping on the band wagon.
It is called Artosyn, if I remember correctly.
@@Deserthacker tyty!
Good. Would rather support a company outside of China given their ethical violations and security risks.
Edit: Thanks for the info Paul. Hopefully they are a more ethical company than DJI.
@@nunya_123 I dont think they are outside of china but ya can check, a guy named @madstech has done alot of looking into it on his channel. :)
@@nunya_123 yea lets support western countries instead so they can get even richer and continue their exploitation of poor underdeveloped nations.
15:44 It's best to spread the antennas out as much as practicable for best diversity transmission and reception
They would know, they just dont want to do the best case scenario yk
I love that you can see how excited and enthusiastic Andy is all the time!
The crew would benefit from looking into antenna gain patterns... Higher gain doesn't always mean more better. Just means the signal is going out the side of the antenna more than the top and bottom. To illustrate at 21:19 Alex is holding his radio parallel to the ground. I suspect the antenna on it isn't high gain so you might not notice it as much as on a higher gain but if it was the signal would be strongest going above and below him as well as in front and behind. To his left and right would suffer
And the shape of them all clumped together didn't help.
@@wobblysauce Even the spacing between them is important.
4 antennas probably means MIMO and waveshaping, so i'm impressed that ducktaping antennas in whatever position is working so well
It didn't thought.... Later in successful tests the antennas weren't in whatever position
Yeah I wondered that if two of them were vertical and the other two horizontal. Surely having all 4 in the same orientation would hurt bandwidth as you'd be unable to differentiate between TX/RX of opposite pairs. I'm not an RF tech so i'm not sure but i'd love to know
No, microwave. They’ve been doing this in broadcast for years, i ran mW cameras a decade ago.
Another reason not to include the cables with the high gain antennas is the feedloss from the cables, especially if you are testing max connectivity distance.
Line of sight doesn't mean what they think it means, fresnel zone scales up as you go lower in frequency. What is line of sight in the visible spectrum isn't line of sight in ISM band.
I'd say that just raising the antenna above the fresnel radius should offset all the losses they might see for a cable like that.
I was wondering what the loss was going to be on those cables, however it’s a seemingly not too long difference so maybe not too much?
@@WillThePlank Cable loss depends on three things, the type of cable, the length of cable, and the frequency of the signal.
@@nulious I've got to imagine they're carefully impedance matched & the losses are very small in that case. This isn't rg6 with some ends crimped on it; length & terminations are very particular then I'm sure they're tested thoroughly.
If I may, I'd just add 2 points:
To get the best of range and bit rate, they use the 2.4 GHz band and usually devices use Phased Arrays to enhance the signal (SNR, SIR). It did look like MIMO solution.
1. So, to maintain optimal link conditions, one shouldn't place the antennas without careful consideration of the alignment (space separation between the antennas) relative to the Wavelength. Manufacturers don't place the antennas at arbitrary locations relative to each other. Although, they do have to compromise for dual-band and imperfect Polarization support.
2. Adding matched cables will minimize reflection loss, but will also reduce the SNR. Higher gain Antenna or narrower band will have to cover for that loss.
I really enjoyed Andy's energy and attitude! It was a really fun video!
Glad to see a bit better Antenna placement! This game is All About those antennas , and having them crammed together and taped was killing the signal. The polarity is also important, especially with High gain antennas which have a thinner plane of transmission, which is how they achieve the longer distance
It's nice to know that DJI used the FPV market as test subjects for what they really wanted to make 😂
Atleast they did good there too
new fpv stuff is right around the corner too tho...
I did 14.5km with the dji HD fpv system, with crystal clear image.
What they really want to build is mass surveillance systems and take huge funding from the chines' regime.
@@hansturpyn5455 wait, I thought it has a hard limit and will turn off at 13.3km?
So this will be great for video/ film style shoots. However, I keep seeing people wanting to use this for live streaming sports lol. I've seen companies try a teradek in stadiums, it doesn't work nearly as intended. You need microwave transmission & receiving, and a licensed frequency. The more bodies in a place, the more interference you'll get, especially with how many devices run on 2.4 GHz in venues (Point of sales systems are one of them lol).
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i guess will work good with rallys if you place reciver in good place in the midlle of the track.
Blackmagic has a system, that works over the internet. With stream, camera control and everything.
@@sven957 I'd assume so? But we'd need to get our hands on it and see. I just wouldn't look at it as a primary tool for broadcasting live events. It may be great for secondary disposable cameras where if its working, amazing, if not its just a luxury.
Like at sporting events when they get a drone to do venue aerial shots... They tend to sit in a parking lot away from all the potential interference. Then broadcast runs them tac fiber to receive the feed. Whenever they use a teredek (also a 5km rated system lol) in the venue, the signal breakdown is super inconsistent and unpredictable.
@@akyhne There are lots of systems that do that as well. But the real issue is what is in the air of your location. Once the public rolls in, stuff gets messy because you cannot control the airspace
For something I would never need or want in my life, you guys made a very fun and enjoyable video. Andy and Alex really made this product shine!
6.9km of almost LoS video transmission is just wild. The simple fact that it's working at all past 6km, even at that bitrate, which you can definitely still use in a pinch, that's just amazing.
"Zero latency" claims are for analog fpv systems where it isn't encoding/decoding and the video resolution is measured in TVL.
6:39 If you pause and advance frame-by-frame, you can see that Mario jumps 2 frames later on the DJI screen compared to the monitor, meaning that the latency difference between the two is somewhere between 33-66 ms. So that 60-100 ms latency figure checks out.
If the average latency is well below 60ms, than that's an even better situation. 👀
Yep was going to comment something similar after measuring myself at a few different places, did not see a single instance where the difference was 3 frames, meaning it was almost certainly less than 100ms, probably very close to 60-70.
now imagine something that 70km away with the same latency and quality, if not better... they exist.
Looks like everybody just had so much fun on this video! Very enjoyable to watch
6:52 looking frame by frame the delay looks like 2 frames so the 60ms between screens seems to be accurate.
One has gotta love Andy's shadow on the camera, that antennae setup was awesome
18:19 great to see the world's best action camera being used: GoPro HERO11 Black
Alex, don't devalue yourself, you're talent too. Can't wait for the video where Linus does a Let's Play of SMW. That needs to be a video, even if it's a couple of hours long.
This is a really well engineered product for a very good price! I wish DJI would make some special stands that you can easily attach to something of even wear for the antennae. It’s also strange that it uses 2.4/5Ghz, as 802.11ad is a thing and there’s even a sub 1Ghz 802.11 amendment that I don’t quite recall the designation for that should be able to transmit even further with less interference (laws of physics, lower frequencies have shorter wavelengths and will always travel further).
From my experience, DJI gear always has really good build quality. It's just crazy.
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the quality of the camera alone made me lean in for a closer look. I know this isn't a camera review but wow!
More videos like this! They are fun and get more staff involved!
Damn. DJI freaking nailed it on this one, the equipment looks fantastic, that lock unlock gimbal feature is unique. Very impressive stuff.
Wow, what a great product at such a great price. Fantastic video as well, everyone was so energetic and engaged. Andy, Alex, and Linus were just having a blast with this one. Looking forward to the future of the car reviews on these channels. You've all done such a great job for just getting into the genre.
Never take Tx antennas off while transmitting, you can/will damage the radio
Coming from fpv racing watching him do that really hurt me inside :'(
@@XxeoNuk yeah exactly, I could smell it burning
I fly numerous DJI drones and their FPV system is second to none. It’s truly an amazing experience and slapping a go pro on a 5” 6s FPV drone will get you AMAZING shots.
Dji changed the game in fpv drones too. Their system is really good. I've never lost a video connection, even flying in abandoned brick and concrete buildings.
We had tech like this in the military at least 15 years ago. Granted it was far lower quality and made for jets and ground teams calling in air strikes... But we could see what the jet was pointed at from several miles away with stuff like this at a nice 320x200. It saved a lot of lives, being able to confirm targets.
Was that a digital feed like this, or analog?
Saved a lot of American lives. Took a lot of Middle Eastern children's lives lol
I was thinking this seemed like repurposed military tech, because I couldn't think of anyone else that'd need video signal from that far away until someone mentioned film crew for movies
Oh hey, so that's why they developed the digital FPV system. We basically were the beta-testers of this! Pretty cool actually
Yep. Even comes with the same antennas. But that's okay because we are getting new goggles and airunit 03
Thank @linus for mentioning it in Kilometer, i have no idea what 20,000 feet is. @1:00
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DJI is the sleeper in the camera / drone industry. They continually make home run products and amazing prices too.
Linus id like to see a future device like this that sends ultra clear video over a much greater distance, not so much caring about the latency. On a mission to video the Great Artesian Basin
Great video! You should've maybe tried a 360 camera stream being transmitted into the remote and then into a VR headset - would be fun to see how well it works
"I have a pretty good feeling for low latency on this game" says Linus while playing using a wireless controller
@DONT READ MY PROFILE PICTURE Well played sir.
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Honestly the later half of the video was actually more fun to watch. Seeing a little adventure with Andy and Alex was a treat.
props to whoever edited all the _NICE_ in here. my favorite one was when alex was talking about 6.9 km one
I’m guessing Andy’s camera in the car the same camera set up used for car videos on ShortCircuit. But regarding the actual device, it could be great for sharing videos or calls between the LMG buildings.
It's a lot easier to just use a PC for that, the buildings are all networked together.
He says multiple times that it is how they film car videos.......
Between this and the focus depth chart in the Ronin, DJI is leveraging their tech to be a new xerox kind of juggernaut. Really impressive stuff.
That's very impressive, and great to see Andy on the camera as well!
I'm no radio pro or anything but would it help you if you maybe laser cut a metal mount for the antennas to keep them with a little space between them and provide a groundplane?
Impressive kit from DJI! Those who are in the demographic area for this thing will buy it.
Andy is a really good host for camera stuff! I like him hosting these type of stuff! :D
For a second there, I thought when he was talking about 'strapping on' extra cooling, 'and some other things' , it was going to be a transition "And speaking of strap-ons, lets thank today's sponsor ....."
every decent drone in the last 5 years - "am I a joke to you?"
I love Andy's enthusiasm! He's so excited about all the stuff! I actually think he's more excited than Linus...
Linus is a great salesman and that's how he gets such easy sponsorship I bet, dude can make you believe anything is exciting and interesting.
Great upload indeed 🔥
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you should try testing this with a local television station… or, what if one person is in a helicopter or plane so you can get into remote areas… ex: disaster monitoring.
- Interesting stuff, will I buy it? Of course not)
I wonder how the radio spectrum licensing (country specific requirements) will work out.
Curious because of the mentioning of congested WiFi and mobile phone frequencies potential to disrupt the communication between the camera and operator unit. Then the combination of antenna types used with the transmitters. What is the total estimated radiated power (ERP)?
Ok, Linus walking around using the third person camera shot is ridiculously awesome
just saw tear down video. looks like it really is a beefed up air unit inside. super cool.
I want something similar to stream gaming to my TV. They should release a smaller weaker cheaper version for that.
Nvidia shield paired with a Nvidia Gpu, or even Moonlight can accomplish this.
@@jannesdiederik4572 that's what I'm using now. But even with the best wifi gear I get dropped frames and freezes sometimes if the devices are a distance apart. The dji's approach to never drop a frame and rather lower the quality is also better for gaming.
I don't know how long distance you are talking about but I would just try to run reeally long hdmi cable
"This doesnt feel cheap" heh yea, its DJI nothing will be cheap.
I'm very happy to see that DJI knows how important fixed latency is. For fast FPV drones that's one of the biggest problems of HD video links next to video quality and of course latency itself.
I'm not a feed transmission engineer but how tough would it be to just offer both options where u can just either choose to keep latency low or choose to keep quality high I'm not sure why they can't just have a switch fr that
18:10 Andy: I'm the Antenna man right now
Problem with the car passanger seat connection probably was that at a race track there's nothing for the signal to bounce from. Even trees are enough but there has to be something as the car's metal prevents a direct link.
I've had the same problem with wireless earbuds when I had my phone in my pocket and I was walking on the shoreline. It kept disconnecting the earbud on the water's side. The other side had buildings and trees. When I turned around the other earbud kept disconnecting. My body was blocking a good direct link.
0:58 plz someone make it a sound meme
I wish I could transmit just my Wi-Fi data over more than 10 meters without any problems -.-
The struggles, I feel ya brotha 🙏
If you live in an apartment scan the wifi signals and change you channel to an open band
Really cool to see Andy in his element, one of my fav videos in a while
I love when its gear that the production team is excited about
Hard to beat something that makes your workday easier
Made for Ukraine lmao
looks like Ukrainian artillery crews would like to have one
Andy jumping with glee shouting 'we can now work from home' is giving me life.
Best video I've seen from you in years!
This is one of a kind shoot. I love it and need more!!!
Why is this so entertaining. Also I liked the broader inclusion of the team.
OMG, this was an awesome video guys, thank you.
"8200 milliseconds; it's a noticeable amount of latency, but it's really good."
-Autogenerated captions, 2022
This was a great video! Everyone had so much fun and the tech is amazing!
bro u got me so engaged, i dont even film, from the tech view this is still actually crazy bro
The "LTT" intro keeps getting improved and I loved it.
I almost didn't watch the video due to the nicheness of the product but it got interesting about halfway through and the testing towards the end was great. Beautiful BC scenary!
Always love when LTT covers camera gear!
Dang, impressive! DJI you better give these guys all the gear and more... these guys just made you some bank! This is how you sell a product. Well done!
The first thing I thought of was that video recently about mounting an mp5 onto a robot dog. Their main problem was that the gopro behind the sight to see the target would cut out if there was ANY kind of wall in between the monitor and the GoPro itself. It seems implausible that someone would spend thousands of thousands of dollars just to commit a violent act rather than just using a rifle, but it’s becoming more and more possible for a civilian to do it. Crazy stuff.
Andy is a gem and would love to see him in front of the camera more 😄
this video is informative and hilarious. I love it. Cant wait to get this setup for my church.